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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one, Tay

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Speaker 1: the show, we're joined by public land hunting guru Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be dissecting his incredibly successful two thousand

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Speaker 1: sixteen hunting season in which he killed three public land

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Speaker 1: bucks across three different states, plus another buck on private

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by SI Gear and Taying the show. As

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned, we're gonna be joined again by Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: And you might remember Tony from I think it was

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Speaker 1: early two thousand fifteen we had him on an TONI

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Speaker 1: is an outdoor writer. He's been published in places like

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Speaker 1: Field and Stream, North American white Tail, and bow Hunter,

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Speaker 1: where he's also a gear editor, I believe, And in

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Speaker 1: that conversation we talked to him all about his overall

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Speaker 1: strategy and planned for hunting public lands, and I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed that one. But now you know it's a year

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Speaker 1: later and this past hunting season, the two six hunting season,

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Speaker 1: he actually went and applied a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: we talked about during that first podcast, and he applied

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Speaker 1: them with a level of success. That's what's I just think,

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Speaker 1: very very impressive. He went and killed three bucks in

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Speaker 1: three different states, all on public land, and that's not

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Speaker 1: an easy thing to do, I don't think. So what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talking about with Tony is exactly how he

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Speaker 1: did that. We're gonna walk through those three hunts. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna walk through exactly how he figured out these properties,

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Speaker 1: how we scouted him, what ultimately led to that success.

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Speaker 1: And I think he even killed a fourth buck on

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Speaker 1: some pride A land by permission. So we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff and and see what we

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Speaker 1: can learn. So what do you think, Dan, That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I would love to just be able to walk onto

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Speaker 1: some public grounds somewhere, and I'm sure he did. He

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Speaker 1: did a lot of you know, prep and research on it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, have that kind of year, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a that'd be awesomest. The most the most

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Speaker 1: bucks I've ever killed in one year is one. Well

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Speaker 1: I have some to shoot for. Yeah, my Max has

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Speaker 1: been too so far. So we're we're both a long

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Speaker 1: ways away from a four buck year, but I can't

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Speaker 1: we can't complain too much. We we both had a

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Speaker 1: good year. But you know, like I was talking about,

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Speaker 1: I think it was last episode. UM. You know, I

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Speaker 1: personally have been more interested in doing more public land

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Speaker 1: what Tony had share this last year. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about this too. Last spring, I

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Speaker 1: was working on an article for up to door Life

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Speaker 1: crazy hunting during the rut on public land. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever get to read that article? By the way, I

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Speaker 1: don't think I did. I think you'd like it, um,

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Speaker 1: because it was all about like people that are crazy

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Speaker 1: for the rut that just due to wild, off the wall,

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Speaker 1: it was like public land and UM and that was

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Speaker 1: to try doing that trip I did in Montana. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's kind of fun. I know,

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Speaker 1: we UM. We talked a little bit about those thoughts

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Speaker 1: and ideas that for next year already, but long story short,

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped. So what else is new in your world?

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Speaker 1: Not too much, man, Um. I've had to do this

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Speaker 1: That was like day four. Okay, I gotta tell you something, Mark,

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Speaker 1: dad's mouth. Uh. Yeah, fatherhood is Uh, fatherhood is crazy.

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Speaker 1: better job at that. Yeah, I'm glad that you're that

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Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, you just gotta ignore them? How

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Speaker 1: Can can that wait? Uh? And then that right there,

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Speaker 1: You don't ask those questions, right, No, I disagree. I'm

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Speaker 1: family and all that, and it's also this like side

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Speaker 1: you've been such an incredible both father and husband that

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Speaker 1: you've sacrificed a lot that usually usually you'd be out

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I don't think it's I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: doing all these things. It's been since November, she would go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's just sometimes you know, it's it's always a

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Speaker 1: that saying if mom was happy everybody's happy. My wife

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Speaker 1: is Tony Peterson. Welcome back, Tony. Thanks for having me man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in October. You know, I never believed in the law,

426
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: and I still don't really buy into it that much.

427
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: But I saw more mature bucks in the middle of

428
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: October when you aren't supposed to this year than I

429
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: have in years. And I'm talking public land here, um.

430
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: And you think that's because you weren't letting trail cameras

431
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: keep you out of the woods, Yeah, I was. I

432
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: was forcing myself to hunt, and I was hunt by

433
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: finding fresh sign and so I know, you know, and

434
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: not to see that I couldn't use trail cameras to

435
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: help me there. But so often, you know, that time

436
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: of year, our trail cameras are in places where we

437
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: may only get nighttime photos or you know, the the

438
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: deer movement in general seems to go down a little bit,

439
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: and we used it as an excuse to say, well, heck,

440
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I'll just wait for the rut or I'll you know,

441
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: i'll wait for Halloween, the pre rud or whatever. And

442
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I just said, you know, no

443
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: trail cameras. I'm just gonna go keep hunting. And I

444
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: saw a lot of good deer, killed some deer, and

445
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: I was just like, I was enjoying it so much,

446
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: and I realized that, you know, I've been missing out

447
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: on something by relying on trail cameras to scout for

448
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: me so much. Yeah, it's funny. Mentioned that we were

449
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: talking to Donny Vincent a couple of weeks ago and

450
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: he had talked about the same thing about how he

451
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to go away from trail cameras, maybe

452
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: because he found that it kind of took away from

453
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: the mystery of the hunt because he knew, well, there's

454
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: gonna be these four bucks and that's it. And you

455
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: saw him and you knew them. And there's something to

456
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: be said about a new a deer that you've never

457
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: seen before showing up in just that pure excitement of

458
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: what while it might be seeing a deer or just

459
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: wondering what might appear and knowing that anything could possibly

460
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: show up. That's kind of cool too. Yep. Yeah, it's

461
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've lost a lot of that mystery,

462
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: and you know, in some ways we've gone to you know,

463
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: kind of raising deer and trying to get them to

464
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: the right age, and there's there's a different feeling about that,

465
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: and that could be super enjoyable, don't get me wrong.

466
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: But there also is that, you know, that aspect that

467
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: Donnie was referring to where you're just missing that you know,

468
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: when you hear something walking in on you and you

469
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: look and recognize that deer immediately, It's it's just different,

470
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's it's nice to look up and

471
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: see a stranger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I agree with you.

472
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: I I there's something really enjoyable about both. But it's

473
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: nice to have both different experiences, which is a big

474
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: part of what you know, um, what I enjoyed about

475
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: my own public land hunt this year when I was

476
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: hunting a brand new property, whether it's public or private.

477
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: When I hunt a brand new place that I'm just

478
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: kind of figuring out, I love that that question of

479
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: what might be coming, you know, what's going to be

480
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: around the corner. What am I going to figure out?

481
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: What's going to be like the aha moment um. And

482
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: that's a big part of why I've I've come to

483
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: you being more intrigued with public land hunting and and

484
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: some of that goes to some of our conversations that

485
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: you and me have had. Um, So I appreciate that

486
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: for you kind of kind of getting me excited Tony. Um. Well,

487
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, you forget that you get used to

488
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: a property and you get used to how the deer

489
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: use it, and so then that's why we kind of

490
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: invent these things where we're like, Okay, I want this

491
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: particular mature book. And that's why you see a lot

492
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: of these people who have premier properties. You know, they're

493
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: setting their standards super high to make some sort of

494
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: challenge out of it because they know they're ground so well.

495
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: And then like you did, you know, Montana, you go

496
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: out to a place you've never been to and you've

497
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: only seen maybe on aerial photos, and you get there

498
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a whole aspect to that and

499
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: a hunting that you sort of mess out on when

500
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: you're real familiar with the property that you're you're managing

501
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: or taking care of or whatever. And and like you said,

502
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you know that's fun too, but it's nice to have both.

503
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: And it's nice to go out and just challenge yourself

504
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: and hunt those deers that you've never laid eyes on before.

505
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: And it's it's just a neat experience. Yeah. And I

506
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: also think by putting yourself in those new situations, whether

507
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: it's public or just a new spot in general, um,

508
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: that provides learnings that you can then apply to your

509
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: usual places you always hunt. Because when you get when

510
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: you hunt the same place over and over, you get

511
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: stuck in a routine where you know what works or

512
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: what has worked well enough in the past, and you

513
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: stick to what's safe. And I think when you can

514
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: try new things and take new risks in a new area,

515
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: or be forced to try new things because of this

516
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: brain new situation, all that stuff applies to the to

517
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: your other hunts too. And that that was a big

518
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: home a ha moment for me in chousand sixteen fall

519
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: without question. I mean, we get so locked into what

520
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: we think we know that we just we will we

521
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: ride that right into the ditch. I think. And you know,

522
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: so often I talked to people and they're like, oh,

523
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: the deer never do this, so they never do that

524
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: on my property, or I never see him here, or

525
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, I got a buddy that owns a really

526
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: cool property down by um in southeastern Minnesota, and he's

527
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: got a little creek running through the back end of it.

528
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: He will not go back there and bow hunt because

529
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: he's scared. He's gonna he's gonna blow all the deer out.

530
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, during the rut, in the pre rut,

531
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: those deer are coming in coming and going down that

532
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: creep on them all day long. So you know, maybe

533
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: if you walk in there, yeah, you might blow some

534
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: deer out. But the risk reward there to me is

535
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: like go go take a look, go hunt it, and

536
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: just see how bad it really is. You know, we

537
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: make up our mind about that kind of stuff. Or

538
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can't kill a big buck in mid October,

539
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: or you can't snort we's in a little buck or

540
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: something like that, and we take that stuff is It's

541
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: just back and that's not how things work out there. Um.

542
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: It changes every day, and a lot of the things

543
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: that we really believe about deer, I think I think

544
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: that makes us become our own worst enemy. Yeah, I agree.

545
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I was reading a book just last night actually, and

546
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: this isn't really hunting, but it's I think you can

547
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: apply it to hunting, and like having strategies that the

548
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: quote where this guy said this kind of life philosophy

549
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: he has was this, he said, I have strong views

550
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: loosely held. So he has strong opinions and he's, you know,

551
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: willing to understand them really well and understand the logic

552
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: behind these things. But at the same time, he's not

553
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: so stubborn to stick to it no matter what else

554
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: he sees and no matter what other opinions might be

555
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: out there. So I think that's something that can really

556
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: be applied to hunting. You know, develop strong ideas about

557
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: how you hunt, but don't be so married to them

558
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: that you're not willing to open your eyes to new

559
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: ways of doing things or adjustments without questions. I mean,

560
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: I just I could not agree with that more. I

561
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: think that we just get so locked into what we

562
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: think is going to happen or should happen or shouldn't happen,

563
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: and we forget that sometimes we're wrong, and and the

564
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: situation changes every time you hunt, and every and me

565
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: go to a new stand and every time the wind

566
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: blows a different direction and the pressure changes, and there's

567
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: all of these variables that just that make everything different

568
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: in an instant. Yeah, we don't. We all like that,

569
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we like to have control and

570
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: we like to say we know this is what's going

571
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: to happen, but that's not how it works. And if

572
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: you give into that a little bit and just just

573
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: let it just go naturally, it can be it can

574
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun out there. Yeah. Yeah, So

575
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: so let's talk real world. Let's talk about how you

576
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: actually applied some of these things here in two thousand

577
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: and sixteen. Your season started pretty early, I think sometimes

578
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: in September. So what I was kind of hoping we

579
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: could do was you, if you just want to walk

580
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: us through your season as it went, and I think,

581
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, as we get to some interesting topics, I'm

582
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: probably gonna want to jump in and and kind of

583
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: pry on some of these things and try to get

584
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: some of the details out of you. But but maybe

585
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: walk us through it, and um, we'll see what we

586
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: can learn about how you apply some of these tactics

587
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: to your public land hunts across all these different states,

588
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear about because I haven't actually

589
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: got to hear about these hunts. So, um, so what

590
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: what happened? Um? You know, I started out when got

591
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: my butt kicked in Colorado for elkin and antelope and

592
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: came home to white tails, which are usually treating me

593
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot better. But I started out in Minnesota on

594
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: a dairy farm. I got permission on UM mostly because

595
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I've been watching this book. We talked about this deer

596
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: UM the last time I was on. I've been watching

597
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: a deer that you know, he's a legit uh Matt Booner,

598
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: the kind of deers that I've never really felt I

599
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: had a good chance to hunt. And that deer, you know,

600
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I looked for him this summer and I found him,

601
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: and he was in the same place that I expected

602
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: him to be. And so I spent a lot of time,

603
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, running cameras and looking for that deer, which

604
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: is this. That deer is one of the reasons why

605
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I said enough and decided to to take my cameras

606
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: down and just go hunt for fun, because no matter

607
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: what I did, that dear seemed to be moving at night,

608
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: even in the summer. UM. And I had one place

609
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: that I thought I might kill him, on a little

610
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: tiny water hole close to his betting area, and he

611
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: was like maybe showing up once in a while, right

612
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: at shooting light in the morning, before he lay down,

613
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: and right before I had a chance to haunt him,

614
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: I got pictures of a dog running through there, and

615
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: everything everything went away, at least in the near term,

616
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I had tinned my hopes on

617
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: this year that you know, has evaded me for three years,

618
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just I was like, this is

619
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: just probably not going to happen. Why am I Why

620
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: am I losing sleep over this buck? And doesn't really

621
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: matter that much. And it just kind of decided after

622
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that I was gonna I was gonna take it easily

623
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: on him. You know, I was still paying attention to

624
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: him and trying to see that there was a possibility.

625
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: But that experience opening weekend, in the first the first

626
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: two weekends of the season, really I focused on that

627
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: uck and it just it just felt like I was

628
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: wasting my time. And I knew there were other people

629
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: going in there, and there were other people who had

630
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: pictures of him, and I didn't want to get rolled

631
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: up into that. You know, I wanted to have a

632
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: chance at him, but I was losing my enjoyment for it.

633
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: And so after the first two weeks I ended up

634
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: heading to South Dakota for their opener out there to

635
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: hunt public land. And I actually went out there with

636
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: Dave Hertel from Field and Stream uh Field and Stream magazine,

637
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: and we got there a day early and just said,

638
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna go hunt ponds. Because it's early,

639
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna scout. I walked him just about to death

640
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: the first day we were there, because we went out

641
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: hung some stands, and we put on some miles. But

642
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: some of the places that I had scouted the spring

643
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: out there didn't look that good to me when we

644
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: got there. There was cattle in there, or the pond

645
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: was dried up, or you know, there was a fair

646
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: amount of h D kills out there that we found

647
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: some good books, and so, you know how it is

648
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: when you go out to the the public land. You have

649
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: this idea in your mind that this is my plan,

650
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. Then you show up

651
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: and go, well, five things have changed, right, And so

652
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: we hung some stands and you know, hunted the first

653
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: morning saw some deer, and that that evening, the first

654
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: evening of the season, we had we had scouted this

655
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: ranch that looked really good. It looked like it was

656
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: just the place, but I thought it was going to

657
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: be overrun with people because it was opening day and

658
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: it was public land. What sorry, really quick here, when

659
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: you say you scouted this property, how are you actually

660
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: scouting it? Are you walking the whole thing? You're just

661
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: looking at the map and observing from a distance, or

662
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: how are you doing in this situation walking this This

663
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: was the boots on the ground situation because we had

664
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: one day, so it wasn't like we were laying back glassing.

665
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: It was just you know, go into this spot, look

666
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: at it if it's a good hanging stand, if not,

667
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: during the stand out, and go to the next spot.

668
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: And so we walked a lot um and I think

669
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think we hung three or four

670
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: stands that day. Um. But the place that I really

671
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: wanted to hang a stand, I didn't because I thought

672
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: somebody else would be in there. And so the one

673
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: place where I was like this might be it, I

674
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: didn't hunt it. And there's a little lesson for everybody.

675
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: I said, I'm just not going to do it because

676
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I know somebody's gonna be in there. While opening night,

677
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: I dropped Dave off. He went into a spot and

678
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: I went to hunt a different stand, and the wind

679
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: was bad when I got there, and I was kind

680
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: of wrong all the time, and I thought, you know what,

681
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look at this property and see if

682
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: anybody's parked there. And there wasn't a single truck there

683
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: and opening night and so I grapp to stand. I

684
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: ran in there and as I was hanging that stand,

685
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I was standing up there, finished finishing up stand hanging,

686
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: a buck ran in to the water the pond that

687
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: I was on and I actually pulled my bow up

688
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: while he was drinking and at him before I had

689
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: to stand fully ready to go. And so, uh, it

690
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: was one of those things where and so the crazy

691
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: part is the buck that I killed. I mean I

692
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: got a photographed, gutted and drugged back to the truck

693
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: before it was even dark. That's how close this pond

694
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: was to the parking area. But it was one of

695
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: those deals where there just wasn't anybody there that day.

696
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: The guy showed up later it things changed, but at

697
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: that moment when I walked in there and I saw

698
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: all those tracks on that pond and the way it

699
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: set up for the wind and the way you could

700
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: get in there. I was like, this is where I

701
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: want to hunt, but I'm not going to because I

702
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: think something going to be there. Well guess who nobody was,

703
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it was just it was one

704
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: of those things where I was like, what I thought

705
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I knew was wrong, And so I started out there

706
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and killed my first block of the season, and then

707
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: I ended up getting the scout for four days while

708
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: Dave hunted. He ended up killing the buck the last night.

709
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: But what I found after killing my buck was there

710
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: were a whole bunch of bucks on that property, including

711
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: a deer that I walked up on um while I

712
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: was burning some boot leather. That was probably the biggest

713
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: buck I've ever laid eyes on. On the hoof. It

714
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: looked like to me, my initial impression was like one

715
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: eighties um, you know, and they're hard to judge. But

716
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: he was close, and he was huge, and he was

717
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: on public land and it was just one of those

718
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: deals where you're like, man, I never expected that to

719
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: be there, and there he was. And so that was

720
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: a really cool experience, you know what I mean. It

721
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: was just it was a new property. It was one

722
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: of those things where you're out there learning and it

723
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: was really good for me to get to spend four

724
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: days just glassing and walking and watching deer because I'm

725
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: going back next year and I feel like I got

726
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: a chance to killing a really big deer there because

727
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: they're there. So so here here's what I'm curious about.

728
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Number one, what made you choose these properties when you

729
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: were scouting from home, when you're looking at the maps

730
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: and everything. What drew you to this initial area first? Well,

731
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: so I started out UM. I went to this area

732
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: last year, UM because I had driven by it um

733
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: several times to go hunt western South Dakota for antal

734
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: open meal deer. And last year at it was like

735
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: during Halloween weekend, I was looking at maps and I

736
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: found a property that I liked, and I went out

737
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: there and I killed a buck on it. And so

738
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: this spring we went back, but a couple of buddies

739
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: and I didn't. We turkey hunted it partially so I

740
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 1: could scout it more because I like the area. There's

741
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: not a lot of people there, there's good walk in

742
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: land um plenty of deaner. You know, you're far enough

743
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: south where you don't get the winner kill. It's just

744
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to it. No big cities

745
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: anywhere near it, um, two places to camp everything, you know.

746
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: And so after scouting at the spring, uh, you know,

747
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: I felt pretty good about it, and so we went

748
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: back there and I'll be going back again. And one

749
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: of the reasons I like it is because there are

750
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: big properties there. So it's not like I'm hunting a

751
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: forty acre chunk or an eighty acre chunk. It's like

752
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: you may have a four thousand acre ranch to hunt

753
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: or five four thousand acre ranches to hunt within twenty yet.

754
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: So my thing is to get away from people, which

755
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: is why I didn't set up on that pond originally,

756
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hunt around people. I want

757
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: to go. I'd much rather hike two miles in and

758
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: get away from people than than fight crowds and those

759
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: sides of properties in that kind of area, you can

760
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: do that. So that's why, you know, that's why I

761
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: really started devoting some time to it. When when you

762
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: went in there and started walking it, whether it be

763
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: during Turkey season, or that first day when you got

764
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: back there in the fall, what specifically were you looking

765
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: for on the ground? You know that day was it?

766
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: You know what specific things led you to say, Okay,

767
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: I want to hunt here. Um well, you know I

768
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: went into it looking for water because it was it

769
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: was going to be fairly hot. You know, it's South

770
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: daphotas Opener is. You know, I always like the third

771
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: weekend of September, so you might be like anywhere from

772
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: the twenties to maybe the twenty six or something. Um,

773
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: so it's usually fairly warm, and even if it's not

774
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: those deer kind of water anyway, So I start by

775
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: looking at the areal photos of just finding water. I

776
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: love hunting water, and if I find, you know, i'll mark,

777
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, six ponds or eight ponds that I want

778
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: to check out that time of year. When I walk

779
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 1: in there and look at them, you know, you're looking

780
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: for tracks around the pond, of course, to see how

781
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: much use it it's got, but I'm looking for h

782
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: rubs as well. A lot of times in those bucks

783
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: come into water. They'll stage those places too, because those

784
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: ponds are they're cattle ponds and they're just situated in

785
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: places where they're you know, a couple hundred yards off

786
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: the nearest field and there's cover between you and the field.

787
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing how often it works out that way.

788
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: And so those bucks will come in there morning or

789
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: you thinking things tend to be a little better. But

790
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: the water they'll spar a little bit, they'll they'll make

791
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: some rubs. So if I find one that's easy to

792
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: access or it's it's accessible without blowing everything out, and

793
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: there's you know a few random rubs around it, and

794
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: the tracks are they're hunted every time, and so you know,

795
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: it's not we've sometimes we overthink this stuff and I

796
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: just at that time a year, do you get thirsty

797
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: and I like to be where they can drink, you know,

798
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: makes sense. Do you do you hunt mornings on those

799
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: early publiclan hunts too? Were you know, I don't. A

800
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: lot of guys tend to always always, you know, early season,

801
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Like you were gonna say, you know, a lot of

802
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: guys are like, I'm not. I don't want to. I

803
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: don't want to ruin my stuff by going and in

804
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: the morning. And that's another thing that I just I

805
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: can never believe it's you know people will say, well,

806
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I can't hunt there in the morning, but I can't

807
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: hunt this property in the morning because they'll blow deer out,

808
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: and like there's no situation you can find where you

809
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: can sneak in and hunt mornings. Like, to me, that's crazy. Um,

810
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I always if I have a data hunt, I always

811
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: hunt mornings meetings. I don't ever. I don't save stuff.

812
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't play it safe. And

813
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, if it can be hunted, now all hunted.

814
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: They put it that way. Now, is that different when

815
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: you're hunting a piece of public plan like that with

816
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, a limited amount of time versus like a

817
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: private piece of property that you've got soul access to. No,

818
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: And here's what I don't have any private pieces of

819
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: property that have soul access to. And the closest I've

820
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: got is in Minnesota, where I can't count on the

821
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: rut because our gun season opens the first Saturday in November.

822
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: So for me to say of stuff just doesn't work.

823
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: I need to hunt. And what I found when you

824
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: go into it with that attitude is of you know,

825
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: I am gonna hunt mornings and I'm gonna hunt during

826
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: the law and I'm gonna hunt these times when deer

827
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to move and you find out that those

828
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: to you are moving and you can kill them. So

829
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not saying if you've got

830
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: a premiere property and you get to hunt the rut

831
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you know, you know, Savior dear,

832
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: do whatever you Savior stands. That's fine. But my personal

833
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: strategy is I don't do it. And I mean, your

834
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: logic makes sense with that situation. I can't argue with that,

835
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: um now, in a situation like you had there. You know,

836
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: you mentioned how you ask someone what you can't find

837
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: a way to get in there in the mornings without

838
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, without screwing it up when you're out there

839
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: on that public land. Did you have to do anything

840
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: unique to be able to hunt those spots in the

841
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: morning or to have Dave hunt in the mornings when

842
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: you were there. Oh, so we just I just look

843
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: for areas. I look for places where you can sneak in.

844
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: You know, we were hunting water in the mornings as well,

845
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: and I just look for a pond that you can

846
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: sneak into. That's that's just it, you know, And sometimes

847
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna jump to here. But man, it's you know,

848
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: versus not hunting. I'll take that every time, you know,

849
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I find you know, there are situations. I mean, I've

850
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: got places on my farm in southeastern Minnesota. I hunt

851
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: a lot where it's pretty difficult to hunt in the morning.

852
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: There are ways I could do it, especially if I can,

853
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, get windy conditions or rainy conditions in the

854
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: morning to sneak through a cornfield or something. But you know,

855
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: sometimes the winds are rung, or it's too calm, or

856
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: you can't you can't go where you want to. But

857
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: that's why I'm real hard to have planned B C.

858
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: D E right on down the line, you know. Yeah.

859
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: So what was Dave's set up that ultimately led to

860
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: him killing that buck on the last day? Um? We

861
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: put him on a uh, this goofy spot on a cornfield,

862
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: UM that had a pond in the middle of it.

863
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: And it just it was another spot that it looked

864
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: too easy. I was just I didn't really want to

865
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: set up there, but because I had time to scout,

866
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: I realized they were far more deer coming out there

867
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: than I thought, And so we went in and hung

868
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: a stand and he ended up having a big deer

869
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: come out, they didn't give him a shot, and then

870
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: right it last light had a couple other smaller bucks

871
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: come in and he thumped one of them. And so

872
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: it was just one of those deals where it was

873
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: public land with a cornfield on it. It was actually

874
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: the corn was chopped for silage um and there was

875
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: a pond in there that led to a draw, and

876
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: just one of those things. You know, it looked it

877
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: looked too easy, you know, but that's one of the

878
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: reasons why I go to some of those places because

879
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: there's just fewer hunters, so there's less pressure. So even

880
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: those those gimme spots can pay off. You know, here

881
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, I probably wouldn't be able to find something

882
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: that easy. You know, there's just there's more hunters. You know,

883
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: you wouldn't in Michigan. That'd be real hard to do. Pennsylvania,

884
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: you just it just would be. So So where'd you go?

885
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: What was next? Do you guys had an awesome south

886
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: to go to hunt? What what happened then? Um? You know,

887
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: after South Dakota I came back and I I kind

888
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: of put my mind to Wisconsin. I'm starting to get

889
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: obsessed with killing good bucks in the big woods in

890
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin. I think we talked about that, UM the

891
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: last time I was on here, and so I felt

892
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of stupid because I owned two little properties over

893
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: there that I didn't hunt at all. I let my

894
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: buddies hunt them, and I went and hunted public land

895
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: over there and just had an absolute blast hunting big

896
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: woods deer and looking for sign and kind of stand

897
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: after stand after stand until I caught up to one.

898
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: So how did how did you do it? Because that

899
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: big woods hunting is like one of those I don't know,

900
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: it's one of the questions we get the most about

901
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: because so many people hunting scenarios like that, like you said,

902
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, New York, and it's not

903
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: really talked about a whole lot in the hunting media.

904
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're not seeing you marjury hanging stand in

905
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: the big woods. Um, how did you go about doing that?

906
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Especially without where you're not using trail cameras for that

907
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: whole process either. No, it was not, um, partially because

908
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: the land, the type of land I was honey, which

909
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: has managed forest land to use trail cameras on it.

910
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: You have to get permission from the owner because it's

911
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: it's private land open to the public through a tax program.

912
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: And so you know, I didn't want to track down

913
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: the owner, and I didn't want to use cameras anyway. UM.

914
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: So what I did is I found I found a

915
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: parcel of land that was owned by a logging company

916
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: or is owned by a logging company, and that it

917
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: got logged probably about three years ago. And so it's

918
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: this little island, a thick cover in the middle of

919
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: miles of big woods where everything else seems to be

920
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of the same. And this property has this little

921
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: tiny trout stream running through it, so it has it

922
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: has water. Um. And so I found it last year

923
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: grouse hunting and decided I was going to go back.

924
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: So I scutted this past spring, and then I scuttered

925
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: in the summer and I went in there with a

926
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: stand on my back and got into that little crout

927
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: stream and started looking for rubs and set up. The

928
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: first night, let a buck go. I saw another buck.

929
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Moved around that property until I got to a spot

930
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: where I saw a really good buck in the middle

931
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: October UM, one of the biggest year I saw all season,

932
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: and I moved in on that spot after I watched

933
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: it for about three days. Um, and all the year

934
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: seemed to be coming off of this hill side and

935
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: just popping up onto this little ridge. You'd see him

936
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: come down and then they get a running start and

937
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: they'd run straight up it. And so I moved over

938
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: there and actually set up right where I had watched

939
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: that buck make a rub and got in. You could

940
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: hunt it in the morning and the evening to that

941
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: was an important part. You could you could sneak in

942
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: on this logging road either time a day and hunt

943
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: because they were coming and going through there. It wasn't

944
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: like a yeah, you know, I mean it's big with

945
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: so there aren't like a ton of deer in there.

946
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: You're not worried about like blowing random deer out while

947
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: you're going in or anything. I mean, the population density's

948
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: pretty low. But I ended up moving in there. And

949
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: the first morning I sat on that spot, Um, I

950
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: don't know, it's probably making an hour into the morning,

951
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: and I looked up at a bucket made it past me,

952
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: feeding his way, just browsing his way through the thunderbrush.

953
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: And because he was passing, I couldn't hear him because

954
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: the creek was right blowing my stand, and so he

955
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: was already on his way beyond me. And it was

956
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think October tenth or something, um,

957
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: and so I grunted at him and he did nothing.

958
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: He wouldn't he wouldnt even pay attention to it. So

959
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: I snart when he's got him, and he stopped and

960
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I could tell I got his attention, and I start

961
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: wheezed again. He stayed there. It took me five snort

962
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: wheezes in a row, and he literally tipped his head

963
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: back like he was rolling his eyes, saying all right, buddy,

964
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: and he turned around and he raped brushed the whole

965
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: way and he came to twenty hours and I shot him. Wow,

966
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So it was so cool. I mean, it

967
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: just it was one of those deals where you know,

968
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: you see deer using a specific spot move in there,

969
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: and that a buck comes through, and not only that

970
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: you get to call him in. It was just it

971
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: was neat. So when you started out, like you walked

972
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: down this creek, he said, and you were looking for rubs,

973
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: and so did you start this whole process basing your

974
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: stand location simply on I can access with this trout stream,

975
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: and I'm looking for some sign that a buck has

976
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: been here, and so that rub was and then from

977
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: there it was sit observed, moved to where you saw

978
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: the movement, and then continued that is that exactly what

979
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: you did, or how are you choosing to set up?

980
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: Pretty much? I mean I I looked for sign. I

981
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: like rubs a lot, I hunt rubs a lot, and

982
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: I like to observe, so on that property I hunted

983
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: it probably I don't know, maybe seven days before I

984
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: killed that buck total in October. And I probably move

985
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: stands a dozen times um and then just just moving

986
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: where I'm seeing deer and if I'm not. If I

987
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: sit somewhere and I don't see deer in a morning

988
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: or an evening, usually i'll give it to you. I'll

989
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: give it both the morning and an evening. If the

990
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: conditions are right and I don't see something, I move.

991
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: And so I ended up going up that creek, and

992
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: the first time I did it, I didn't go far

993
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: enough up, and I bailed and watched some other stuff,

994
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: and then I knew I was kind of missing something.

995
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: So I came back and I just needed to go

996
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: a little farther up the creek, and it was just

997
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: the place. That's just what they were using. There was

998
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: a lot of good security cover there and they were

999
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: they could they could play the wind, well, they could

1000
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: travel through it well. It was it was just the

1001
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: right spot, you know. Did you have any other issues

1002
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: of other hunters back in there was anybody else there?

1003
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: There were people there, Um, there were a fair amount

1004
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: of people driving through there on four wheelers. Um kind

1005
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: of hunting grows and not. I didn't see a lot

1006
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: of boat hunting activity, but there were there was a

1007
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: fair amount of people activity. And that's one of the

1008
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: reasons why that spot was so good, because it was

1009
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: one of the few places on the property that you

1010
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: couldn't access with a four wheeler. H Yeah, that makes sense.

1011
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's you find that all the time out

1012
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: there on pul The plans so moving moving around as

1013
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: much as you did, sounds like you were moving stands

1014
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: sometimes multiple times a day or stuff like that. How

1015
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: what's your what's your process for getting in and out

1016
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: with hanging new stand pulling it down. Do you have

1017
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: any trick to how you're doing that in a quiet,

1018
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: slow fashion or what specific stands sticks et cetera. You're

1019
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: you're using, UM, I used, you know, primarily I used

1020
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf sticks this year. UM because you know a

1021
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: lot of those, a lot of public land you can't

1022
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: use anything screw in, so you can't just carry in

1023
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: a handful of screwing steps. And so I got my

1024
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: system down this year where I was using you know,

1025
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf climbing sticks, and then I was using a

1026
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: Millennium tree stand. I can't remember what the heck the

1027
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: model is, but it's really lightweight. They're like seven and

1028
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: a half pounds, so they're not very big. But I can,

1029
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: I can, you know, put the whole set up on

1030
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: my back with my my safety harness and everything and

1031
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, only be out about twenty five pounds and

1032
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: go in and just take my time and pick the

1033
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: right spots. It's it takes. It takes the comfort level.

1034
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: It's just like using a climbing stand or anything like that.

1035
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Like you're you'll be much better with it if you've

1036
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: done it a whole bunch and you know enough to

1037
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: be patient and not rush yet and understand that if

1038
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: you put a stand up and it's not gonna work

1039
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: for some reason, if it's really uncomfortable or you can't

1040
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: shoot or something. You just kinda pull that sucker down

1041
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: and start over. That's a hard part. It ends up

1042
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: being a lot of work, and you know that's that's

1043
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: the part that released amount of fun. I mean I

1044
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: had times where I was hanging stands this year when

1045
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I want to go on and

1046
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: outfit it hunt bad. I just want to go have

1047
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: somebody else to to work, you know, because you know

1048
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: how it is, You're just it's just you and you're

1049
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: doing it and you can't you know, I don't want

1050
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: to waste to fit. So I had a lot of

1051
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: times when I'd hang a stand, I didn't do it.

1052
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: I look around and go nope, and I have to

1053
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: pull it start over. Yeah that's brutal. I had it is,

1054
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: but you know, when you get it right, it's awful. Yeah,

1055
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: for sure, I had. I had a hunt this year,

1056
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: um in early November where I've been observing a buck.

1057
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: I was after moving in a certain location, but I

1058
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: didn't have a stand there, and I kept making excuses

1059
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: for why I shouldn't go over there. But finally, like

1060
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna do it. Even though it's

1061
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: like a hard access place, and I was worried about

1062
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: spooking deer. Better close to it. Um they were cutting

1063
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: a corn field right next to this kind of betting

1064
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: area type spot, and so I had this idea that

1065
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I would sneak in there with my sticks and stand,

1066
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: and I would time when I walked to when the

1067
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: combine was close so that I could scurry as quickly

1068
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: as I could when the mine was close, making a

1069
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: lot of noise, and then as the combine moved away,

1070
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: I would i would freeze and I would crouch down.

1071
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I'd wait because it was one of those really crunchy,

1072
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: completely quiet, no wind type days, so any noise I made,

1073
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: I knew these deal were gonna hear me. So I

1074
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: spent like an hour getting to that stand, and it

1075
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: wasn't that far of a distance, but just trying to

1076
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: be perfect about it, waiting when the combine was tim

1077
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: and everything. Finally I get to this spot where I'm

1078
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: I find the tree. I'm ready to climb up in

1079
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: here and get all situated. I was so proud of

1080
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: myself for doing it the hard way and making sure

1081
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: I didn't spook anything going in and I met the

1082
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: base of the tree and I go to get my

1083
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: sticks and I realized I left my climbing sticks at

1084
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: my house. So that was one of those hanging hunts

1085
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: that was really a fail. But but I've had the

1086
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: same problems where either I forget something or I get

1087
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: in there and I realized this wrong. And actually that

1088
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: same hunt, I ended up being able to go back

1089
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: get sticks. I actually had my wife drive. This was

1090
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: a piece of private land. I was able to have

1091
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: her come out with a four wheeler and drop them off.

1092
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: But it was a debacle. I end up try and

1093
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: get in the tree, and then I came down on

1094
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: the tree because it wasn't right, and went up in

1095
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: another tree and lo and behold, I actually did see

1096
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: the buck I was after that night. Didn't shoot him,

1097
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: but it uh, it can be one of those things.

1098
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: Hanging and hunting is is a great way to do it.

1099
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: But you've gotta you've gotta be like you said, you

1100
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: gotta be willing to work a little bit, take take

1101
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: some blows on the way you do, and you gotta

1102
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: screw up like that. I mean, it's just things like

1103
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: that happen, you know, And you can have the best

1104
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: system in the world and you'll forget something eventually, and

1105
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: or you'll pick the wrong tree, you know, get up

1106
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: there and just find out that it's not right. I mean,

1107
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: it's that's just the way it's gonna happen. But the

1108
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: reward for doing that is can be awesome. Yeah, what's

1109
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: what's your tree trimming policy been this year? When a

1110
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: situation like that where you're trimming much at all? Um

1111
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: or do you just depends what kind of land you're on,

1112
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean a lot of places you can't

1113
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: cutting things down if you're on public and so I

1114
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: end up a lot of times having this it and

1115
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: fairly open trees, you know, with not a lot of

1116
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of limbs and branches on them, and I

1117
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: tend to face my stands away from where I think

1118
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: that you're going to come from and kind of try

1119
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: to shoot around the trunk. But it's a major hassle,

1120
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, when I did it. I did this the

1121
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: same strategy in Minnesota as well, and then you know,

1122
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: I trim a lot more, and you know, it's it's

1123
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: nice to be able to cut stuff down, but you

1124
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: always want to be careful about doing too much. And

1125
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm pretty minimal. I try to leave you know,

1126
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: as little impact as possible. Um, when I'm doing it

1127
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: during the season, you know, preseason, if I gotta place,

1128
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: I cut stuff down, I go nuts. I love cutting

1129
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: stuff down. But when you're when you're showing up the hunt,

1130
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, gotta be a little more careful about that,

1131
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: you know. But that being said, if you have to

1132
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: get something down to be able to shoot, you gotta

1133
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: take it. You know, like you don't want to be

1134
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: doing acrobatics in your stand and try to shoot around

1135
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: a limb or something like that. That's not going to

1136
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: help you at all. Yeah. The worst thing is when

1137
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: you've got that shoot buck that finally does exactly what

1138
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: you on to do, but the one limb in the

1139
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: way is that one You're like, I'm not going to

1140
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: cut it. Yep, that's definitely you know, if you hot

1141
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: long enough, that will happen. Yeah, yeah, so true. So

1142
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: when you look at this scenario, why do you think

1143
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: that the deer we're using this spot that you ultimately

1144
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: found like the best spot. Why were they using it

1145
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: the way they did? Why was that buck there was

1146
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: there a specific habitat feature or anything you saw that

1147
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: led you to be like why it worked. There was

1148
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: a just just a really subtle almost like a bench

1149
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: on the hillside. Um yeah, and again I guess you

1150
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: could call it a ridge, but it was positioned between

1151
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: some private land to my west and the only field

1152
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: anywhere near me to the east, which wasn't that close,

1153
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: but it was the only game in town. And last

1154
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: year at least that far north. You know, this past

1155
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: fall we didn't have hardly any acorns, and so they

1156
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: were browsing and they were going the field that I

1157
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: felt like they were willing to travel farther to get food,

1158
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: and that was just the place they could travel through

1159
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: where they wouldn't expose themselves to the A TV trails.

1160
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: People weren't going in there, and they could get to

1161
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: and from where they wanted to go without getting harassed.

1162
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: So it was it just set up well, you know,

1163
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: and next year that may be totally different. If the

1164
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: acorns are dropping and there's something different in that field,

1165
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: that spot might die, you know, But this year it

1166
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: was that. I think that's why it was so good.

1167
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of spots, you know, possibly dying or not. When

1168
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: you have hunted some of these public land areas in

1169
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: previous years and you're you're going into the new year.

1170
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: How how much of a chance do you give a

1171
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: spot before you decide something changed? You know, is it

1172
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: one hunt? And if that doesn't pan out, you're like,

1173
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm moving on to option B or C. Or how

1174
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: do you gauge how much time to spend in one

1175
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: of these areas? I mean, it depends, It depends why.

1176
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: It's why I think it died. If it's people, which

1177
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: is most often the case, that I don't give it

1178
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: very much time. Um, if I think, you know, a

1179
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of guys that moved in there

1180
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: and are hunting, I can find something else. If it's

1181
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: just you know, me not having figured something out, or

1182
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: if I believe that's the case, then I'll stick it

1183
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: out a little longer. You know, I always I always

1184
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: think about um. You know, I hunted North Dakota for

1185
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: five years on public land, and I figured out this

1186
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 1: area pretty well. I killed four good bucks in there,

1187
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: and but I never killed one in the same tree.

1188
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: They were all in the same area, But every single

1189
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: year I went there, something had changed where they were

1190
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: crossing the river in a little bit different spot, or

1191
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: they were bedding up in the hills where the newly

1192
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: should have been or something, you know, you know, I

1193
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it was always a little bit different.

1194
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: And so it wasn't like you just show up and go, well,

1195
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I can just climb into that cot and wouldn't kill

1196
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: one when he crosses the river. It never happened for

1197
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: me that way, and so it's always, you know, it's

1198
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: always a process of just figuring out what's going on.

1199
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: That's why people like having land locked up so much that,

1200
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, the less influence from people and makes a

1201
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: big difference on how reliable your your stuff can be. Yeah,

1202
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: that's for sure, that's the truth of it. So you

1203
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: killed your Wisconsin buck, Well, I'm first kind of curious

1204
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: what did that feel like, because I feel like that's

1205
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: like a challenge that you had set yourself is particularly difficult,

1206
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: trying to kill one in the big woods like that.

1207
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: Did that feel more rewarding than some of your other

1208
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: hunts at all? Without questions? It was awesome, I mean,

1209
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: it was just it was It was really awesome because

1210
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: I had told everybody who would listen that I was

1211
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: going to do it in there, and so I had

1212
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: forced myself to get after it, and it was cool,

1213
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: and it was just it was one of those deals

1214
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: where like, like I said, you know, I didn't have cameras.

1215
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: I was just hunting and I was seeing lots of

1216
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: deer and I was having a lot of fun. And

1217
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: then to have a deer do that that you get

1218
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: to call in and he I mean he came in

1219
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: like he was two fifty inches. It was incredible, and

1220
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: just the overall hunt was awesome, you know. I mean,

1221
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's way more fun than some of

1222
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: the some of the times, you know, like I've done

1223
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: industry hunts or something where I'll go on an outfited

1224
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: hunt and you know, you shop there and they say,

1225
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: well this you're supposed to show up here, and then

1226
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: it does and you shoot it. You know. I mean,

1227
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: people want to do that. There's nothing wrong with that.

1228
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: But to me personally, I just enjoy that going out

1229
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: there to places where anybody can and and getting it done. Yeah. Yeah,

1230
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. So what happened after that? You've killed

1231
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: in two states already? What state was next? Minnesota? I

1232
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: had to I had to, you know, I don't I

1233
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: don't feel like a real man unless I filled my

1234
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: home state tag you know um, and so I had.

1235
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: I was getting my butt kicked a little bit. I

1236
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: went back home and hunted a few places and had

1237
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: a good encounter with a buck I did not expect

1238
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: close to my house here in the Cities and got

1239
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: busted by him. And I ended up pushing it until

1240
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: Halloween weekend, and uh, you know when it was real hot,

1241
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: and I ended up going out one morning and there

1242
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: was a I have a stand, and I said every year,

1243
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: and I've never killed a big buck off of it, um,

1244
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: but it's always a good place to see a few deer.

1245
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: And that stand, I didn't intend to hunt it at all.

1246
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: I was doing the same thing when I was carrying

1247
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: stands in um and setting them and I had been

1248
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: doing that, and for some reason, I can't remember why

1249
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: the wind was bad or something, I had a morning

1250
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: to hunt and I didn't want to go to where

1251
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to go, so I played it safe and

1252
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: I went back to the stand I've never killed a

1253
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: big buck off of and part you know person because

1254
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: I knew there was some does living around there, and

1255
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: it was close enough to Halloween. It was like the

1256
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine or something. And I got into that stand

1257
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: and I had a dough tag and I thought, well,

1258
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: it dol gives me a good shot. I'm a plunker

1259
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: because I'm just I'm not going to see a big

1260
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: one probably here. And I had this dough come in

1261
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: and I had passed up this dough She's she was

1262
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: a loner, pretty distinctive. I passed her up earlier in

1263
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: the year because I didn't want to shoot her at

1264
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: that point. And I saw her coming and I was like, oh,

1265
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot just bill this time. And she got closer.

1266
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: I was like, she looks like she might be getting chased,

1267
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: and so I let her go past and nothing showed up.

1268
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I could have you know, I

1269
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: could put the benefits of my days. I didn't, And

1270
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, five minutes after she ran up, I heard

1271
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: the loudest grunt I've ever heard in my life. And

1272
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: I looked up in this buck was just barreling down

1273
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: the trail, grunting like just like he was, you know,

1274
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: a zombie was crazy, and uh, I stopped him a

1275
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: fifteen yard shot him and he ran up and tipped over,

1276
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: and my hunt was done. And I finally killed, you know,

1277
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: after like, I don't know how many years I've hung

1278
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: a scan in that stupid spot. I finally killed going

1279
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: in there. It was all because that little bill brought

1280
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: him by the doll that I didn't shoot earlier in

1281
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: the year. And I was like, that felt like faith

1282
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: or something. So why do you think, I mean, was

1283
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: it purely a luck hunt or was there something about

1284
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: that set up that you know, made it likely that

1285
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: a doe would bring a buck in? Well, there's always

1286
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: doze in there. That's one of the reasons I liked it.

1287
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I've killed bucks in there, but never

1288
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: any real big ones. And I knew from where I

1289
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: had set up the previous night, in the previous previous morning,

1290
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: I was close to where that buck. I knew where

1291
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: he was living and a couple of his buddies. But

1292
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I just that area that just you don't have a

1293
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of big bucks come through their acts respect. If

1294
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: you could hunt it all the way through the rut

1295
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: without the shotgun season coming in, it gets real good,

1296
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: But it just usually doesn't. They usually hang back in

1297
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: the thicker stuff. It's kind of a more open woods.

1298
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: It looks it looks more like a place you'd want

1299
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: to sit and put your back to a tree for

1300
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: a turkey. And but that buck he was, he was

1301
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: real fired up. In fact, I ended up um after

1302
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: I went and found him, I had to go pull

1303
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: a through stands so I could go home. And out

1304
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: in the cornfield where they had come from. It looked

1305
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: like that had covered every square into that cornfield grind.

1306
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: It was just like he was out of his mind.

1307
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that dough was coming into

1308
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: Astris or what, um, but it's just it was one

1309
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: of those deals, you know. It's one of the reasons

1310
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: why we like hunting the last couple of days of

1311
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: October and into November, you know. So yeah, definitely partially

1312
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: luck because that was not where I was intending to sit.

1313
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: But I sat there knowing there's those coming in there.

1314
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, now, when you said earlier that you knew

1315
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: were this book and some of these other bucks were

1316
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: hanging out their core or their betting area, how are

1317
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: you figuring that out from these previous hunts. What made

1318
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: you believe that um, well he was he was living

1319
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: close to where the big one I've been following for

1320
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: a long time is, and this year he was real distinctive.

1321
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: Could be have split brow tigns um he was. He

1322
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: seemed to be spending a lot of time at the

1323
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: fringe of this valley where that big one was living.

1324
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: So I just kind of incidentally paid attention to him

1325
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Um. And I just knew, you know,

1326
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: I had actually gone in the night before and hunted

1327
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 1: where I thought that buck was living. Um, partially because

1328
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: of the rubs, partially because of the earlier trail camera

1329
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: photos and stuff, and so I was set up not

1330
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: that far away from him, but it was just it

1331
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: was just one of the areas he liked, you know. Yeah,

1332
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, during the rut, like you said,

1333
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: if you're in the basic ballpark, you just need to

1334
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: be where the does are and then he could show up. Well, yeah,

1335
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: and he was where I had went in and hung

1336
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: a stand the night before to hunt. There was a

1337
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: there's a staging area in there, and that buck came

1338
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: from there. If I'd have been in, I think I

1339
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: could have killed him on any stand I had in

1340
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: that woods that morning. But I know he ran down

1341
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: the trail right by where I wanted to sit. But

1342
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: if I had gone in there, like we were talking

1343
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: about earlier, I would have had to go by that

1344
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: cornfield he was chasing in and I've probably would wrote

1345
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: him out. So it's just one of those fields where

1346
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: it's like, you know when when things like that, you know,

1347
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: you hunt so much where that doesn't happen, but when

1348
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: it does, you're like, wow, look at all the different

1349
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: things that had to go into it and make it happen, right,

1350
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, And I'll take it. There was there was

1351
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: a good level of luck there, and I'll take that

1352
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, it's funny if you I feel like

1353
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: any successful hunt, if you look at it, it's like

1354
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: ten million tiny little things had to go just right,

1355
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: and if any one of them was off, you probably

1356
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had that hunt. Um. So yeah, there's always

1357
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: some luck. But then also I think a lot of

1358
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: times it's the attention to detail. It's the little things

1359
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: that you did that maybe you don't even think about

1360
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: it anymore because you just know to do them. That

1361
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: probably a lot of those little things led to it.

1362
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: That's that's been a big paradigm like shift for me.

1363
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: Is it's just over the years realizing how important every

1364
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: little step is, um, because they add up. It is.

1365
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: And you know one of the things that we don't

1366
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: really assign any credit to for this stuff. If you

1367
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: been doing this a long time, you kind of just

1368
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: developed some intuition for it, you know, like I just

1369
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of feel like sitting here or there it look

1370
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: how often it works. You never hang out with anybody,

1371
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, any of these older dudes that have been

1372
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, I always I always think about like duck hunters.

1373
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, hunt around, hunt with somebody who

1374
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: really knows how to duck hunt. They just they just

1375
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: they have this critter sense and it's you know, they

1376
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: know when to call, they know when to shut up,

1377
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: they know that when the deco spreads right or not right,

1378
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: and there's so many little things to it is so nuanced,

1379
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: and like you said, most of those guys they're not

1380
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I mean not you know, they're not

1381
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: devoting you know, massive amounts of brain power to it.

1382
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: They're just going on, there's the way I do it,

1383
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: or if you know, we should be on this point

1384
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: this morning or that point tomorrow morning or whatever. And

1385
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: they're right a lot. And you know, we we we

1386
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: we could probably develop the same thing with Deeter. You

1387
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: know yet. It's that gut instinct. But the gut instinct

1388
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: use you something like you said, that's developed their experience,

1389
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: and um, it eventually becomes ingrained in your subconscious, but

1390
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: takes a lot experience to get there. I think, I

1391
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: think wholeheartedly. Yeah, that's true. So state number four was

1392
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: in your sights. Now what happened there? Uh, that was

1393
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: Nebraska and that was that was a trip I wasn't

1394
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: even intending to do. Um, I was gonna have a

1395
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: buddy come out and hunt my Wisconsin stuff and I

1396
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: was gonna just grouse hunt. But his plans changed and

1397
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: we decided to meet at my spot in Nebraska, or

1398
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: at a spot I like in Nebraska. And it was

1399
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: during that week when it was real hot. It was

1400
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: like we I think I got down there in November three. Um,

1401
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: in the day I got down there to this property.

1402
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: My buddy had gotten there a few days before and

1403
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: said there was some dude from Michigan, probably one of

1404
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: your buddies. Maybe that was driving a dirt bike. The

1405
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: property is a is a section, so it SI but

1406
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: you know a good portion is at its just wide

1407
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: open grassland where you know you couldn't hide a kyote

1408
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: pupp in there, you know, And so most of the

1409
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: good hunting stuff is condensed into about half a section.

1410
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: And this dude had been hunting off of his dirt

1411
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: bike with with the cross bow over his shoulder, and

1412
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: judging by the tracks in the public land, he had

1413
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: covered serious ground. Um well, the day that I got there,

1414
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: my buddy had told me this, but I wasn't there yet.

1415
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: The day I drove down, I assumed it was probably

1416
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: somebody from the park service there h called hitting the

1417
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: conservation officer and he came in to put an end

1418
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: to that. But that guy, that one guy on a

1419
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: dirt bike had like blown all the year off his property.

1420
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: It was like covered in sign and covered in tracks,

1421
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: and everything looked right, but you could not hardly see

1422
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: it here. I sat the first whole day in a

1423
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: spot where I've never had a bad hunt, and I

1424
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: saw two random loan fall ons and that was it.

1425
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: And I could see a lot, you know, this was Nebraska,

1426
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: like I could. I could see some serious ground, and

1427
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, well it's hot. There's been a

1428
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: ton of you know, disturbance in here. And so I

1429
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: went back to camp, grab the stand, walk the other

1430
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: end the property. Hung it. I thought, I gotta get

1431
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: as far away from where this guy in the dirt

1432
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: pike was, which is you can only go a mile. Um.

1433
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: I hung a stand and came back. I grabbed another

1434
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: stand and walk into a spot that I just I

1435
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: saw it on the map, and I thought, you know,

1436
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: maybe a buck will come down cruise through right along

1437
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: this little Charlotte stream because it's really hot. It was

1438
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees and it was really thick cover down there,

1439
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that feed here stuff next to the stream.

1440
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: And so I carry a stand in there, and this

1441
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: is the second standard hung that day. And I hung

1442
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: that stand and looked around and sawn this little tiny

1443
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: clearing the head of eight big rub in a scrape

1444
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: and it was maybe like the size of a living room,

1445
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: but it was right by the creek. And just looked

1446
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: it looked good. So I hung that stand and sat

1447
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: down and kind of got ready, and I'm like, all right,

1448
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: it's it's seventy five degrees. I'm probably I can see

1449
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: any dear activity till you know, right before dark. And

1450
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: like ten minutes later, I looked over and I saw

1451
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: this rack come in through the brush and it was

1452
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: the most miserable looking buck I've ever seen in my life.

1453
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: Like he looked like he just hated every step. He

1454
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 1: had a tape, but it was November four and you

1455
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: could just see it, like in his face. He's like,

1456
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm so miserable, but I have to find a doll.

1457
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: He came walking in. I sat up, turned around, and

1458
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: I stopped him at like twelve yards and shot him.

1459
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: And my hunt was over. And I spent the rest

1460
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: of the time They're trying to get my buddy a deer,

1461
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: and so I had a false turkey take too, and

1462
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to mess around a little bit.

1463
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: And I never saw another buck or a mature dough

1464
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 1: on that property the entire time I was there. Wow.

1465
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: But and if I mean, you go down check out

1466
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: a like a creek crossing down there, and it was

1467
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: just pounded. So you know, those deer were there. But

1468
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: one guy on a dirt bike changed everything. And you know,

1469
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was going to be some suppress

1470
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: movement because it was hot. There wasn't going to shut

1471
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: it down that way. Yeah it was, But I was

1472
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: gonna say so, in that scenario, why did you decide

1473
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:33,480
Speaker 1: to still hunt that property despite the dirt bike debacle,

1474
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's a good property, and it's it's

1475
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: a creek bottom. And so I set up really close

1476
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: to the property line where those deer would potentially come

1477
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: filtering back in from the private land. And so I

1478
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 1: would have moved if that wouldn't have worked on it,

1479
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: maybe hunted at one or two more days, and then

1480
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: I would have moved. Lot. I knew, you know, it's

1481
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: the rout Um you're on water, you're in a place

1482
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: where they like to cruise. And I knew he had

1483
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: blown a lot of deer off that property. Could just tell.

1484
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: And so when you know, he was done righting by

1485
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: the time I had showed up, So I figured it

1486
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: was possible they'd start filtering back in, and you know,

1487
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: one did, I guess, one really unlucky, miserable buck came back.

1488
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: So so again I've asked the question a couple of times,

1489
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: but why was that spot right for that buck? If

1490
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: you think it was just because that was the good

1491
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: cover of the creek and he was following it, or

1492
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: was there something else going on? Um, he was following

1493
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: the creek for sure, you know, I think he was

1494
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: down there getting to drink. You know. I shot it

1495
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: at like four or fifteen. It was it was still

1496
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: real toasty out and I think what he was doing

1497
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: was just checking a few places that were real thick

1498
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: that he could stay close to water, and he wanted

1499
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: to cruise, and that's where he was going to do it.

1500
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't It just wasn't the kind of

1501
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: stay situation where you're gonna go sit up on an

1502
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: open you know, on a grassy hillside or you know,

1503
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: the grassy cop next to a field and see a

1504
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: big buck cruising, you know, nose to the ground, going crazy.

1505
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: It just wasn't gonna happen then. So I just figured

1506
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: the best bet was to get where they're going to

1507
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: be the most comfortable. M hmm. What what do you think?

1508
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: Or I guess did you learn anything this year from

1509
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: these from these hunts that you think you'll apply to

1510
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: future years. Was there anything that changed your way of

1511
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: looking at the hunting world or your strategy? Yeah, yeah,

1512
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the way I used to hunt.

1513
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll run I'll run cameras this summer, and

1514
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: I'll have a few places where I'll run them. But

1515
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to carrying a stand in

1516
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: and looking for sign I mean not only because it

1517
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: was defective, but it was just enjoyable. And so I

1518
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: just I wanted to like rid myself of these crutches

1519
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: that we think are helping us and then maybe aren't.

1520
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: And so that's one of the reasons I'm like big

1521
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: into you know, proving things wrong, improving people wrong. And

1522
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: so I if somebody sits there and tells me, you know,

1523
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: you can't kill and if the wind's gowing thirty miles,

1524
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: I'll hunt that wind every time and eventually I'll kill one,

1525
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I just kind of like that style.

1526
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: And and after after this year, just seeing what I

1527
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: saw and having consistently good hunting and lots of sightings

1528
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: throughout times when you shouldn't, it just told me that

1529
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: this is probably the way I should be doing it now.

1530
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: You know that's probably partially because maybe I'm playing to

1531
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: my strengths. I love, you know, scouting, I love carrying

1532
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: standing and hanging them, and I don't mind that work.

1533
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: You know, some people don't have the time, some people

1534
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: don't have the places to do that, and so it's

1535
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a one size fits all strategy,

1536
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: but for me, that's what I'm gonna do. Yeah, can

1537
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: you elaborate a little bit on the sign piece, because

1538
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about, you know, looking for

1539
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 1: certain things, but in general, how do you rank certain

1540
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: types of sign I guess in importance to you and

1541
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: like what specifically will give you a Okay, yeah, I'm

1542
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: stopping right now. This is something I need to be

1543
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: hunting on right now, versus this is something that is

1544
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: going to be filed the way as a piece of data.

1545
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: But I'm going to keep looking rubs. I mean, for me,

1546
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: if you know, like like I said before, I mean

1547
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 1: I had a lot of water. I like water a lot.

1548
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most reliable things you

1549
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: can hunt. So if I get to you know, secluded

1550
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: upon and it's covered in tracks, I will hunt that

1551
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: no matter what. Or a creek crossing or a river

1552
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: crossing or something. I love all that stuff. But for

1553
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: the most part, for me, I'm just looking for rubs.

1554
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean big rubs, little rubs, any kind of rubs.

1555
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: If I see that, I know bucks spent time there,

1556
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: and if I see it in the thick cover, I

1557
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: normally probably did that in daylight. And I'll tell you know,

1558
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: that big buck that I watched in Wisconsin, um when

1559
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: I was kind of an observation stand, that was a

1560
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: really good deer and I watched him make a rub

1561
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: and when I went up to it, you would have

1562
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: scored a forty made it. It was just this little

1563
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: tiny rub that you would never guessed that size of

1564
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: buck made it. And I've always kind of felt that

1565
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: way about especially early season. You know, as you get

1566
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: closer to the rut, all those rubs pop up, and

1567
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit different. But if you find

1568
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: rubs in September or early October, I love hunting there.

1569
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: I just I have had such good luck in my

1570
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: life using that as kind of my compass and where

1571
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: I should set my stands. Now, is there like a

1572
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: certain number of rubs you have to see in a

1573
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: certain amount of area to say, okay, this is enough

1574
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: because I'm assuming like one rub on its own or

1575
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: I guess that's question. Is one rub on its own

1576
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: enough for you to say I want to hunt here?

1577
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: Or do you need to see you know, five within

1578
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: a hundred yard area or ten within that or what's

1579
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: how what's that threshold on a single rub? In fact,

1580
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: where I killed that bucke in Wisconsin, that's what I had,

1581
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: That's what I was working off of originally. Um just

1582
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: it's if I see a rub, if i'm if I'm

1583
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: in good cover and I see a rub like that,

1584
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: especially early season, a lot of times start looking around.

1585
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: Now you might find it in a place where you

1586
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: can't set up, or you might just think, you know,

1587
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: bet down this ridge a little ways, it's gonna be better.

1588
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: So it's not you know, like go find a rub

1589
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: and just sit over it and hope he comes back.

1590
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: But it's like just such a good jumping off point

1591
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: if you see one, or if you see a couple,

1592
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: it's a good time to start looking around and start

1593
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: thinking about whether there's a good observation point or is

1594
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: you're worth paying attention to more. And you know, the

1595
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: one thing about not to totally beat this, you know,

1596
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: dead horse here, but the technical strategy is if you

1597
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: go out and find that, you hang a camera on it, right,

1598
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: or hang a camera on the nearest trail. But when

1599
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: you start hunting this kind of stuff, maybe never come

1600
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: back to that individual tree the entire season. He may

1601
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: not rub it again, but that area he might be

1602
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: using it a lot, so that camera might get him

1603
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: or it might not. But if you sit there in

1604
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: a tree stand where you can see around you and

1605
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: see for quite a ways and here for quite a ways,

1606
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: you have a lot better chance to figure out what

1607
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: he's actually doing there. And there's just a lot of

1608
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: value to that, you know. I mean, I'm not saying

1609
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: there isn't value to hanging the camera there, but if

1610
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: you could afford to spend the time to set up

1611
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: and watch, there's a lot of value to that. Yeah,

1612
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Now, why rubs and not scrapes Because

1613
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: I hate scrapes. I have hunted scraped so much and

1614
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 1: killed so few deer on them. Um. In fact, I

1615
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: did a little experiment this year just for the heck

1616
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: of it, and I took some nationwide sense uh running

1617
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: buck scent. And the weekend that I killed my buck

1618
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, I went into where I thought that big

1619
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: one was it out and I dumped a whole bottle

1620
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: of that into a scrape and I hung a camera

1621
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: on a video mode over it and left it alone.

1622
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: I just thought, I'm just gonna see who's really coming

1623
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: into this scrape during the time when they should be

1624
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: and it was really interesting because I didn't hardly have

1625
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: any visits from good bucks in daylight. And then one

1626
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: day I had a couple of really good bucks coming

1627
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: and worked that scrape. And then that big boy came

1628
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: into the dark and worked it. And the crazy part

1629
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: about it was only one of those bucks actually pawed

1630
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: up the scrape, but every buck came in and worked

1631
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: the liking bridge really incredible. And so what that tells

1632
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: me is I probably don't know what I'm talking about

1633
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: what it comes to scrape, because that really surprised me.

1634
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: And I just never you know, when I was younger,

1635
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: we used scrapes a lot and we hunted them, and

1636
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: it just never it was never like consistently reliable, not

1637
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: it for me to hunt. And so you know, I

1638
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: don't mind seeing scrapes and that, you know, you don't

1639
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: mind hunting around them. But when I'm walking in and

1640
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: I see a scrape, it just doesn't It doesn't get

1641
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: my spidy senses tigling the way of way a good

1642
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: rub does. Interesting. Now, when we're leaving up to this,

1643
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about rubs. The first thing you said, though,

1644
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: you really to focus on is water? Um, is there

1645
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: any times of year when that's going to change. I'm

1646
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: assuming my assumption is that early season. Of course, when

1647
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: it's hot water, for sure it is great. But you

1648
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,520
Speaker 1: are you still kiing in on water in late October

1649
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: or early December or some other time of the year. Um,

1650
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, not by December? You know when I get

1651
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: into when I get into the true late season, I

1652
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: tend to hunt a lot of staging areas around food.

1653
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a lot of places where

1654
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: I can sit and kill deer out in a good

1655
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: food plot or a field. But that time of year,

1656
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: it's primarily staging areas awful food. So it's a food

1657
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,919
Speaker 1: centered pattern. But the rest of the time, the seasons,

1658
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: I'll take water over anything. I love. I love hunting water.

1659
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: In part. Part of that is because a hunt a

1660
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: lot of public lands, and so it's not like you're

1661
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: relying on food plots or you're you know, a lot

1662
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: of public land doesn't have agriculture on it, and so

1663
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: you've got to look at what what are you gonna

1664
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: be able to hunt that's gonna consistently draw deer in?

1665
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: And there's there are very few things out there that

1666
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: are more consistent than just water, the right kind of water.

1667
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you see any difference between that you mentioned the

1668
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: right kind of war? Are there certain types of like

1669
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: is a small pond better than a stream or a

1670
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: big pond better than a river or anything like that.

1671
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Um ponds are the best, I think because they're easiest

1672
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: to hunt. It's so concentrated, and so there's a pond

1673
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: draw more deer than a stream. Probably not, But one

1674
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: thing I like about them is they're often located in cover,

1675
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: which is always good. And there are ponds where I

1676
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: can set a stand up over it shoot every single

1677
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: animal that comes into that pond in any direction. And

1678
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: so do you get down a stream you're hunting crossings,

1679
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, but you also have the benefit of deer

1680
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe cruising down it. But it's just it's situational, you know.

1681
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets to the point where bigger rivers

1682
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: aren't as much fun, obviously, But if it's you know,

1683
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: it's an easily waitable stream, it can be good. But

1684
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: my ultimate is just the right pond because it's you

1685
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 1: if you find that, if it can be so good

1686
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: and you can have all the deer to yourself on

1687
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: that little water source. How does the wind factor into

1688
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: how you set up on those ponds? Are you setting

1689
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: up to make sure that your winds blowing away from

1690
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: the pond when the deer is actually there, or are

1691
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: you considering, dear maybe using the wind to approach. What's

1692
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: your thoughts there? They depends, you know, it depends where

1693
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: I think they're going to come from. Um. A lot

1694
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: of times I like to set up so the winds

1695
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: blowing right over the pond um because either they won't

1696
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: get me because they're not going to go right out

1697
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of a pond, or if they come

1698
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: in and such way they might get me, I'm probably

1699
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 1: gonna kill him first. And so it's just it's, you know,

1700
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: a situation. It's people ask me questions like that all

1701
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: the time, like, well, I have this place to set up,

1702
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: but sometimes the wind is that and it's like the

1703
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: variables are infinite, you know. So it just depends to

1704
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: where they gonna come from, how are they going to

1705
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: use it? Are you gonna be able to shoot him

1706
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: before they get get your win? You know, just just

1707
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: a lot of things like that. Yeah, yeah, that that

1708
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. What about so so one of the big

1709
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: things you did this year that you think you're gonna

1710
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: apply a future years is moving away from trail cameras

1711
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: and being focused on you know, observing, adjusting, et cetera.

1712
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: That was something you did, right. Was there any big

1713
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: mistake you made this year that you want to make

1714
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: sure you don't do in the future, or series of mistakes? Yeah,

1715
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of. Um, you know, I think that that big

1716
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: one that I almost kind of hope he got shot

1717
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: so I don't have to worry about him next year.

1718
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he did or not. Um, I

1719
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: really don't hope he did, but he may have. Uh,

1720
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: But just just so you know, singularity of focus on

1721
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: that deer when there were quite a few deer that

1722
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: I'd have been super happy with. And what happened to

1723
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: me is I didn't want to go hunt anywhere else

1724
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: but where he was or I thought he was, because

1725
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go sit there and have like,

1726
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, a great buck come by, but wasn't him,

1727
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: And so I didn't enjoy hunting as much. And that

1728
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: was stupid. You know, I should have just said, you know,

1729
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: if I get the right wind, I get the right

1730
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: chance to going after him. Great, but I'm gonna hunt

1731
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: these other areas just as hard and just as smart

1732
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: and enjoy it. And if a good buck comes by

1733
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: and I'm happy with it, I'm gonna shoot him. You know.

1734
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: I kind of fell into that trap, and I got

1735
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 1: out of it pretty quick, you know, when the dogs

1736
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: came in and things like that. But it just it

1737
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: changed things for me. And I've got a buddy, you know,

1738
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: who I'd both hunt with a lot. He was a

1739
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and he got into the same situation.

1740
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: He had a buck within on a farm that only

1741
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: he has permission to hunt, and just from the truck cameras,

1742
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: we thought it was like one eighties for sure, and

1743
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: he did the same thing where he's like, I gotta

1744
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: try to kill this deer and he didn't, and that

1745
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: buck got shot during shotgun season on the neighbor's farm

1746
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 1: and ended up going to out two and yeah. So

1747
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: so it's truly a once in you know, one and

1748
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: one thousand lifetimes type of deer. But at the same time,

1749
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, you got little kids, you've got a family,

1750
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: and you don't have tons of tons of time to

1751
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: devote to these deer, and you're going out hunting specifically

1752
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: for a buck you're probably not going to kill. It's

1753
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: just it changes things, you know, and it's in the

1754
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: right situation there was going after, but not to the

1755
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: point where you start losing the enjoyment. And I did

1756
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: that to myself and I didn't like it. Yeah. Yeah,

1757
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: It's one of those things kind of like we were

1758
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: talking about early on, where you know, there's a certain

1759
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: type of enjoyment of hunting a managed property versus a

1760
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: certain type of enjoyment out of hunting public property. And

1761
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: the same thing goes I think with this type of

1762
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: thing where there's a certain type of satisfact with targeting

1763
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: one single buck. But at the same time, there's something

1764
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 1: to be said about just hunting and enjoying whatever you know,

1765
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: mother nature sends by you. And if you end up

1766
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: losing the enjoyment out of it, well then you know,

1767
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: what the heck are you doing for well exactly? And

1768
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look at it like you know,

1769
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: for me, there's even a financial inside have to kill

1770
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: big ones because they get more articles out of it

1771
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: and more publicity and blah blah blah. But even that

1772
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: doesn't really make it, doesn't It doesn't really feel like

1773
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: it justifies it for me to lose the enjoyment and

1774
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of people to focus on

1775
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: dear that caliber. It's just like, you know, it's it's

1776
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: it would be like if if I got divorced tomorrow

1777
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, it's going to be

1778
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: victorious secrets models for me here on out, I'd be

1779
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: a lonely, sad dude in a hurry because my odd

1780
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: they're just not good. Is that's going to shake out?

1781
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, like just you gotta play within your means

1782
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: and you got to go have some fun with very true.

1783
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: That's some wise advice right there. So yeah, you can

1784
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: have that. That's awesome. So I've got one final question

1785
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: for you, Tony. Um, what is one thing that you

1786
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: do or believe that's counterintuitive or counter to popular, you know,

1787
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: popular beliefs out there when it comes to hunting other

1788
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: than some of the things we've talked about so far.

1789
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: Is there anything out there that most people would think

1790
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: is crazy but you strongly believe in when it comes

1791
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: to how you hunt or things you do. Well, Um,

1792
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, probably a lot of stuff. You know, I'm

1793
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty contrary and you know, I think you can

1794
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: kill him in the wind and the rain and the heat,

1795
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: in all kinds of conditions, right, I think that's maybe,

1796
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the way I run against the grain

1797
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: the most is that I'm just gonna hunt always every

1798
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 1: chance I have, I'm gonna go sit and I'm gonna

1799
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: find a way to do it. And if it's you know,

1800
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: whether it's sort of set of stand, I have a

1801
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: lot of hopeful or play it safe and back off, observe,

1802
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: I just am always going to be out there. And

1803
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the advice out there is

1804
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: don't do that, don't go in, don't risk messing it up,

1805
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: save it for the perfect conditions. And the problem is,

1806
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: now I'm sitting here with a job and twin five

1807
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: year olds, and it's not like I'm just gonna have

1808
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: every opportunity in the world to hunt no matter what.

1809
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 1: So if that you know, perfect day comes up, there's

1810
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: a much better chance I'm taking my kids to daycare

1811
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: in the morning and sitting in a tree stand and

1812
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna hunt when I can, no matter what,

1813
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: whether it's hot or windy or super crappy out or

1814
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: something's going on. And a lot of times that really

1815
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: works out for you. And so, you know, I guess

1816
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of the overarching theme to this conversation. Just

1817
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: go hunt and have fun, you know, like you start

1818
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: taking it a little bit too seriously and you start

1819
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: losing that enjoyment and you start, you know, saying, well,

1820
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I can't hunt now because I'll ruin this. Well, what

1821
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 1: if you don't and have a lot of fun, you know,

1822
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: like if you go sit in the woods, that it's

1823
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a great time. Even if you don't kill a big buck,

1824
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: that's probably still worth it, right, Yeah, Yeah, And I

1825
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: think that's this is something that probably a lot of people,

1826
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, need to hear this time of year two,

1827
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: after a lot of us have you know, wrapped up

1828
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: what for some people may it was a great season,

1829
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: but for others, maybe it was a season full of

1830
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: stress and frustration because of you know, getting caught up

1831
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: in this stuff a little bit too much. I'm I'm

1832
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: certainly guilty of at times. And um, it's it's always

1833
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: important to take a step back and remember why we're

1834
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: doing this in the first place. Sure, And you know,

1835
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: I mean I think we all know that. I think

1836
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: we forget it because if you were. I mean, if

1837
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the success rates, you know,

1838
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: for bow hunting, it would seem insane for seventy percent

1839
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: of the people to ever go hunting because they're not

1840
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: going to kill one. But we all do. We all go,

1841
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of people go that don't kill stuff

1842
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 1: very often, and there's there's a reason for that. There's

1843
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: more to it than you know, a bloody arrow at

1844
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Yeah, that I think that

1845
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: right there is probably the best way we can wrap

1846
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: this episode up, Tony. So thank you. Thank you so

1847
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,560
Speaker 1: much for chatting with us here and and kind of

1848
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: divulging the secrets of your two thousand and sixteen season

1849
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: because you're obviously doing a lot of things right and

1850
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna help a lot of people out there. Well,

1851
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. Thanks for having me absolutely, Tony.

1852
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: Good luck, and you're scouting and work this winter leading

1853
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: up to the next one. Thanks you too, And so

1854
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: there you go. We're going to wrap this one up.

1855
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: So big thank you to our partners who helped keep

1856
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: this podcast on the air. Thanks to Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, and the white Tail Institute of North America.

1859
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all again for spending this time

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01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: with us and until next time, stay wired Ton