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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, June fourteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're kind of

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Speaker 1: split on the new Browns logo or else.

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Speaker 2: Let's kind of figure out why the Browns are warned. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: It's me your man, NAMG Marcus Brand joined by Michael L. Floria.

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Speaker 1: We're in studio. We got Josh and Suzie over like,

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Speaker 1: give yourself a rod a class, please always appreciate your help.

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Speaker 1: And Florida. We're gonna talk some zero RB targets. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk some some late round league winners in this show.

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Speaker 1: But I have to take your pulse and the pulse

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Speaker 1: of Bill's Mafia. Because Stefan Diggs didn't show up to

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Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp or these didn't show up to practice.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott said that he was concerned. There was a

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Speaker 1: lot of chatter on Twitter. How look, it's it's mid June,

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Speaker 1: but how is Bill's Mafia feeling right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, everyone can let out a big sigh of relief

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Speaker 3: because Stefan Diggs was at practice in pads today. He

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Speaker 3: was there and this is a weird situation because every

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Speaker 3: player was on Dig's side. The agent was like, no,

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Speaker 3: he was in the building up until practice started. And

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Speaker 3: then even reporters were like, we have no idea why.

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Speaker 2: Sean McVay said what he said. So maybe we get

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Speaker 2: clarification today. But he's there in practicing.

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Speaker 1: All right, So our short regional nightmare has been averted

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Speaker 1: because Stefan is practicing.

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Speaker 2: Then he's just like yokicch Man. They hate work.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look we were talking about this before the show, right,

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Speaker 1: Nicola jokicch has he is a hero for introverts everywhere,

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Speaker 1: right because he went out did his job at a

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Speaker 1: historic level, right, I mean was amazing all throughout the

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Speaker 1: playoffs through the NBA Finals. They asked him afterwards about

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Speaker 1: the parade, he was god of you just hear the

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Speaker 1: size that I just kind of like, I guess if

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Speaker 1: I have to be there, then I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things I saw on TikTok it

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Speaker 3: was like Kevin Garnett's reaction when he won, when he

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Speaker 3: screams anything possible, versus Yokich immediately after he wins, when

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Speaker 3: he's just.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's good, it's good. Like I've never seen.

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Speaker 3: The player less excited to win a championship and it

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Speaker 3: is hysterically and.

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Speaker 1: He was looking for the exit almost immediately, Like I

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Speaker 1: know you saw the video of him like half heartedly

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Speaker 1: shaking the bottom of champagne. It was just it was

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Speaker 1: just very much like a if I'm you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's a video version of I'm just here. So

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Speaker 1: I don't get fine sort of thing right, Like Marshawn

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Speaker 1: Lynch would be proud of Nicola Jokicch and.

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Speaker 3: Like there's like iconic like the Jordan collapsing with the

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Speaker 3: trophy in the locker room, like he was so exhausted

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Speaker 3: like that. Jokic didn't wasn't even like I'm so he

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Speaker 3: was like the job's done. I can go back and

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Speaker 3: race my horses now, Like that's all he cares.

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Speaker 2: Like that's his passion.

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Speaker 1: It was really like this was getting in the way

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Speaker 1: of things he really wants to do. Right, It's it's

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Speaker 1: like you know, watch a trashy movie or something.

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Speaker 3: When you think about it, like winning a championship takes

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Speaker 2: Either it's just taking away his horse racing time. Well.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, congratulations to Nicole Jokic and the Denver Nuggets and

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Speaker 1: Nuggets fans for celebrating the franchise's first ever championship. I

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Speaker 1: guess the first celebrating first championship. We should give a

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Speaker 1: shout out to the Vegas Golden Knights as well. I

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Speaker 1: know r pal and former Fantasy Live producer Todd Mosberg

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Speaker 1: him and everybody in.

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Speaker 2: Vegas next to the parade. It's it's close.

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Speaker 1: It's close, right, I mean, Vegas is basically a suburb

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Speaker 3: Do you think a championship parade will impact Vegas at all?

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Speaker 3: Or is it just like another thing going on there.

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Speaker 1: It's probably just another Yeah, that's what I was. You know, whatever,

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Speaker 1: they'll figure it out. They'll probably go down the strip,

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Speaker 2: Who knows. As I mentioned, we.

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Speaker 1: Will talk to zero our b targets, we'll talk some

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Speaker 1: late round league winners. Also, Florio's film Festival this week

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Speaker 1: from Dusk Till Dawn, the Robert Rodriguez sort of horror

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Speaker 1: comedy action mashup classic from nineteen ninety six. Floorya already

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Speaker 1: said he has thoughts. We will dive into that at

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Speaker 1: some news that sort of dovetails into our running back conversation,

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Speaker 1: because if you have been paying attention to the offseason news,

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Speaker 1: you know some recent headlines, Saquon Barkley says he doesn't

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag. Dalvin Cook, who is a free agent

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Speaker 1: Show with Tom Pelasaro recently said he's looking for a

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Speaker 1: team that values Dalvin Cook, both you know, financially and

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Speaker 1: in terms of what they do in offensive scheme as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Jacobs send out a tweet talking about

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Speaker 1: his situation. His tweet was, sometimes it's not about you.

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Speaker 1: We got to do it for the ones after us.

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Speaker 1: So these high level running backs, three guys who have

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Speaker 1: which you know we've talked about before is not great

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Speaker 1: right now. I guess the first question is, you know,

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Speaker 3: I could see this being a situation where they don't

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Speaker 3: they need to play at least six games, which to me,

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Speaker 3: the more likely scenario. I've dubbed this the AJ greenut,

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Speaker 3: is you just you're hurt all year? Like AJ Green,

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Speaker 3: And he did that until the end of the year,

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Speaker 3: the draft and everything is now behind us, we're still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're still about three months away from the

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Speaker 1: start of the season, like right now. I think this

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Speaker 1: I've really it's become my personal policy to kind of

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Speaker 2: I went down that road.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has sort of dug in on their sides, and

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Speaker 1: there's no convincing anybody weird that the internet is like

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Speaker 2: Happens anywhere else on the internet.

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Speaker 1: I think right now this is sort of posturing from

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Speaker 1: So I think right now it's a lot of posturing.

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Speaker 1: I as a person who is very much in favor

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Speaker 1: lot more, who take a punishing you know, do do

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Speaker 2: I support them.

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Speaker 1: I applaud them in their efforts, even if I don't

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Speaker 2: So I think right now it's an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's really going to drag on

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Speaker 1: into September, But in the meantime, I guess having said

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Speaker 1: all of that, should we be wary about drafting these guys?

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Speaker 1: Does it change when you're doing drafts or mocks or

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Speaker 2: Middle of June, not too much.

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Speaker 3: This is still an issue in the middle of July

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Speaker 3: I need to reassess, and I think you can use

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Speaker 3: it as a tiebreaker. Like Saquon and Jonathan Taylor to

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Speaker 2: Saying like, I.

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Speaker 3: Really like Josh Jacobs, but he's I will say, the

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Speaker 3: market is correcting them because Saquon's ADP has fallen now

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Speaker 3: But I'm like you, Marcus, I am on the side

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Speaker 3: of I don't really get too involved in this, but

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Speaker 3: I do think the running backs are underpaid. You cannot

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Speaker 3: tell me with a straight face that Saquon Barkley is

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Speaker 3: not the most important offensive player to the New York Giants, right,

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Speaker 3: And Saquon Barkley is making four million dollars more year

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Speaker 2: We like that. That seems like an issue.

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Speaker 3: I My solution I think should be instead of giving

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Speaker 2: Like if you told Saquon, hey, we're gonna give you

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Speaker 3: This year or something like that, I'm sure he'd be

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Speaker 3: considering that and want to sign into it. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: these running backs are certainly devalued for what they mean

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Speaker 1: They are, you know, I think it's funny that the

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, you know, certainly in fantasy football

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Speaker 1: and even you know, when it comes to the draft,

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Speaker 1: they can be difference makers. Right, everybody was excited about

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Speaker 1: Bejon Robertson, everybody loves Christian McCaffrey, Austin Eckler, And then

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Speaker 1: when it comes time for these guys to get a

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Speaker 2: It'll happen to Bijon in five it'll have a Bejon.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely happen to Bijon. If you even if it

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Speaker 1: that we think he is. When he comes side for

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Speaker 1: a new contract, it'll be you don't pay running backs,

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Speaker 1: even a guy like Bijon Robinson. And that sparked an

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation. It has brought up the idea of maybe

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Speaker 2: The draft is Unamerican. Did I say that out loud?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Uh, but you know the idea of having

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine on your one point if other jobs

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Speaker 1: I say all the time? If you imagine you are

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Speaker 1: it's not bad to be a public defender. It's not

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Speaker 1: that's the whole point about that. So don't come after me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure r Opal Alex Gelhar, we love him. He's

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of him. This is not a shot at

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm stick.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my foot out of my mouth and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about zero RB now. So because we're

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Speaker 1: we'll set it up from anywhere from around six through ten,

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Speaker 3: Miles Sanders is a running back that I like a

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Speaker 3: lot this season, and I have him ranked at RB sixteen,

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Speaker 3: but in early ADP he's going as the RB nineteen.

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Speaker 3: You get him in the early part of the sixth round,

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Speaker 3: but like he's going after JK.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather have Sanders mix and I'd rather have Sanders

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Speaker 3: just think that what we saw to Miles Sanders last year,

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Speaker 3: I understand it's gonna be hard to duplicate that. Not

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Speaker 3: But I think that the Panthers are gonna want to

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Speaker 2: Plus, last year.

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Speaker 2: And I know you're.

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Speaker 3: Getting him a borderline RB twenty right now, but I

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Speaker 1: You know, I think for him, volume is going to

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Speaker 1: And when you look across the roster and you look

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Speaker 1: this offense. I mean, you know, I saw someone put

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Speaker 2: It's all sort of a toss up.

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Speaker 1: There's no real alpha, I think amongst that group. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a chance for Miles Sanders to earn

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Speaker 2: I like Damian Pierce.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've seen some people say that maybe he's

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Speaker 1: looking at his his his opportunity percentage, basically the rushing

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw. He said he's also

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Speaker 1: I don't know that necessarily means he's gonna get more targets,

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Speaker 3: I want to be a better pass catching running back.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna watch tape Christian.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch Christian Mccaffreyyah. Hey, Hopefully that does translate

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Speaker 2: I would say this volume is on his side.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the Texans may not be particularly great

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Speaker 2: Who you got?

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Speaker 3: This one is shocking kind of to say but Dalvin right,

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Speaker 3: has been off the board in round two. It feels

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Speaker 3: like Dalvin Cook supporters, like what do you mean he's

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Speaker 3: not what he used to be.

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Speaker 2: Last year he rushed for he topped fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Hundred yards and double digit touchdowns, And then you make

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Speaker 3: the case that yeah, he's still a good player, and

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Speaker 2: And I fall very much so in the middle.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Dalvin Cook is what he used to

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Speaker 3: but I don't think that he should be going in

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he's now fallen to the RB twenty four

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Speaker 3: and it just continues to fall every day, I feel like,

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Speaker 3: last year, Yeah, he had a slightly fewer percentage of

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Speaker 3: He still has that burst. And people are like, well,

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Speaker 3: if you take away his eighty yard touchdown run, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that is the whole reason you want Dalvin

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Speaker 3: eighty yard touchdown run and that's fifteen fantasy points right there,

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Speaker 3: Whereas Alexander Madison you have to add up his like

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Speaker 3: explosive like that. And Cook still has maybe not what

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Speaker 3: he could score a breakout touchdowns. So you keep giving

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Speaker 3: me a discount on I will keep gobbling up Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: I always love the if you take away the blank,

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Speaker 1: I know Adam Rank likes to poke fun at it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you take away all the touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: it happened. Man, Like, let's not cherry pick what doesn't

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Let's take this whole thing as a whole.

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Speaker 3: It's a very flawed not only just because like it

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Speaker 3: and time again he can have these long touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you take away his best ability. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: I think it's okay to say what you said, right that,

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Speaker 1: he's still a talented player. I think that's okay. I

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Speaker 1: just know that doesn't make for great social media conversation, right.

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Speaker 2: Like nobody hot takes.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants nuanced reasoned like hey, man, like this guy's

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Speaker 1: you know, like nobody wants to have that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just not fun. I guess there's not there's no

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Speaker 1: engagement in that. But I do like Dovin Cook, and

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see when he signs with someone, depending

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Speaker 1: because I think you talk about him outside the top

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Speaker 1: twenty running backs right now. That's I think strictly because

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Speaker 1: of uncertainty, you know. I think if he lands in

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Speaker 3: See the first picture he posted after he got cut, No,

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Speaker 3: it was him celebrating in hard rock in Miami. I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could read into it also,

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Speaker 1: we could just say that, yeah, he's from Miami. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's just a picture of him in someplace at home.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: H I like cam Akers at this point in drafts,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. I think it was our poal

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Speaker 1: Neil Dutton who coined that that cam Akers and Sean

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Speaker 1: McVay were the Ross and Rachel of the NFL last

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Speaker 1: they were phasing out Daryl Henderson. I remember there was

438
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks they tried Kyrone Williams in there,

439
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Speaker 1: and Akers was getting fewer snaps than Williams but still

440
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Speaker 1: outperforming him in those couple of weeks.

441
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Speaker 2: So I think you looked this year and.

442
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Speaker 1: Again there's really nobody behind him except Kyron Williams, who

443
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Speaker 1: gets some of the snaps. But I think volume is

444
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Speaker 1: going to win the day. I think the Rams they're

445
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Speaker 1: going to throw the ball more. I think, you know

446
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Speaker 1: you have a healthy Cooper Cup you are going to

447
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Speaker 1: but I think you're also gonna have to try to

448
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Speaker 1: run the ball because your offensive line is not what

449
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Speaker 1: it once was. You've got an aging quarterback in Matthew Stafford.

450
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Speaker 1: I just think you have to run the football, and

451
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Speaker 1: I think that you can have. Cam Akers got to

452
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Speaker 1: pick up from where he left off last year. I

453
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Speaker 1: don't think you're any doubt that he's talented. It was

454
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Speaker 1: just he and Sean McVay weren't getting along and that

455
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Speaker 1: was kind of the reason he was on the bench.

456
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Speaker 1: So if they figured out how to patch things up,

457
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Speaker 1: they went and you know, had a couple of beers

458
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Speaker 1: together and some burgers. Maybe things are cool now and

459
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Speaker 1: we see a lot more cam Akers this year.

460
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Speaker 3: I saw on Fantasy Twitter the other day some people

461
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Speaker 3: arguing if James Robinson getting cut is bad for cam

462
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Speaker 3: Akers because they had the same injury, And I'm like,

463
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Speaker 3: I guess that's the point. We're up too in the

464
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Speaker 3: in the offseason. But I'm very much so with you.

465
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Speaker 3: Cam Akers and Kevin Durant are the poster boys for

466
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Speaker 3: coming back from Achilles injuries. Akers got better, and to me,

467
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Speaker 3: what is an encouraging sign is he got better and

468
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Speaker 3: better as the year went on and he got further

469
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Speaker 3: removed from that surgery. So yeah, the first year back,

470
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Speaker 3: it took him some time to get going, but that

471
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's already greatly expected exceeded the

472
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Speaker 3: expectations after he had that injury.

473
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I if I go zero.

474
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Speaker 3: RB, cam Akers is one that I really like because

475
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Speaker 3: I think he's got RB one upside especially if he

476
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Speaker 3: can take over the passing down duties there.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he could take over some of that passing work,

478
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Speaker 1: I think that helps him a lot. But and again,

479
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Speaker 1: after Cooper Cup, it's sort of opened for targets. I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Higbee will probably get some where. You know,

481
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Speaker 1: we're hyping up Pooka Nakua right now.

482
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Speaker 2: Now.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he can find some targets in there,

484
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Speaker 1: but there's got to be some opportunity I think for

485
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Speaker 1: a guy like Cam Akers to get involved in the

486
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Speaker 1: passing game round day. You and I agree on this one.

487
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Speaker 1: So who are we going with in round eighty?

488
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Speaker 3: James Connor right feels like a such a value to

489
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Speaker 3: me right now. I understand he missed some time last year,

490
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Speaker 3: but from Week ten on he averaged nineteen point eight

491
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Speaker 3: Fantasy points per game, and he had at least nineteen

492
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Speaker 3: touches in all five of his last game. So without

493
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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray on the field, he was their offense. And

494
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Speaker 3: I've been kind of vocal on this show that I'm

495
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Speaker 3: not sure when and how much we're going to see

496
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Speaker 3: if Kyler Murray, because I think the Cardinals might be

497
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Speaker 3: looking long term. But even if Kyler comes back early

498
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Speaker 3: in the season, he is not going to run.

499
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Speaker 2: Like he used to toy.

500
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Speaker 3: Acl especially those first few weeks, which I think needs

501
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Speaker 3: more dump offs and more probably running the ball with

502
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Speaker 3: James Connor. So I know it could be ugly. This

503
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Speaker 3: offense I think has literally worst offense in football in

504
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Speaker 3: their range of outcome. But I still think it's gonna

505
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Speaker 3: lead to a whole lot of volume because even if

506
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Speaker 3: they're trailing, I expect a lot of dump offs to

507
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Speaker 3: James Connor.

508
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Speaker 2: I think that's going to happen.

509
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Speaker 1: And again, I think it's a situation where he is

510
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Speaker 1: the guy in that backfield, and yes, they are potentially

511
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Speaker 1: going to be bad this year, but I don't see

512
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Speaker 1: a lot of competition for his opportunities for his touches there.

513
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Speaker 2: He is.

514
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Speaker 1: Look, no one's going to confuse him with Christian McCaffrey

515
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Speaker 1: or Austin Eckler in the passing game. But he did

516
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: catch forty six balls last year for three hundred yards,

517
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Speaker 1: so he's not a zero when it comes to the

518
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Speaker 1: passing game. And this is a guy who at one

519
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Speaker 1: point in his career in Pittsburgh had a fifty five

520
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: catch season, so he can contribute in that way, and

521
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Speaker 1: again in an offense that's not going to be great.

522
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Speaker 1: I could see, especially with Colt McCoy earlier in the year,

523
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Speaker 1: a lot of dumpoffs coming to a guy like James Connor.

524
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Speaker 1: So I think there's some possibility here. And also I

525
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Speaker 1: just think that he's a good player, and because of

526
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Speaker 1: fear of what the Arizona offense could be, we've seen

527
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Speaker 1: him fall and that's why he's still available at this

528
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Speaker 1: point in round eight.

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Speaker 2: So I'm with you on that one. Round nine, who

530
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Speaker 2: you got. I'm gonna go with Alvin Kamara.

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Speaker 3: Who I mean, this feels like the first time he

532
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Speaker 3: could get him outside of round one.

533
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Speaker 2: In a long round nine.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it is insane how far he has fallen.

535
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Speaker 3: And I understand this comes because of a lot of

536
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Speaker 3: off the field stuff and last year was like his

537
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: first time not being a top ten running back. He

538
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: was in RB two, but it felt like last year

539
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Speaker 3: everything went wrong for him. He had a career low

540
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Speaker 3: in targets per game, he only had four rushing attempts

541
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Speaker 3: to near the goal line, did not score a touchdown

542
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Speaker 3: in thirteen of his games last year. And I understand

543
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Speaker 3: Jamal Williams is a concern to steal those that goal

544
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Speaker 3: line work away. But I think Derek Carr is also

545
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: a lock to throw the ball more to Alvin Kamara

546
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: than Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill did and Andy Dalton

547
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 3: went when he was playing. So I just think you're

548
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: getting a huge discount because of the suspension that's looming,

549
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: and we have no idea how long that could be.

550
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 3: Could be two, four, six games. I the one thing

551
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: I'm confident is I doubt it's gonna be the full season, right,

552
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Speaker 3: So even if it's half the year, if I can

553
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Speaker 3: use a what are we in the ninth round here,

554
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: ninth round pick on Alvin Kamara and then you tell

555
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Speaker 3: me for the second half of the season and the fans,

556
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: particularly the fantasy playoffs, I will have him as potentially

557
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 3: a flex.

558
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sign me up for that all day.

559
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Speaker 1: I have found myself drafting Kamara a lot in Best

560
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: Ball drafts for that reason, right, especially if you get

561
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Speaker 1: yourself I would say this, especially if I'm going with

562
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Speaker 1: kind of a modified zero RB and maybe even a

563
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: hero RB, I'll load it and get a couple of

564
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: really good guys early, and if I can come back

565
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Speaker 1: and get Camara as like a third or fourth running

566
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Speaker 1: back in best ball drafts.

567
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Speaker 2: I feel great.

568
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Speaker 1: About that knowing he comes back, let's say it's six games,

569
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: comes back midway through the fantasy season, ramps up, and

570
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: then gets you ready for a late season push there.

571
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I like Brian Robinson again, sort of like what I

572
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: mentioned with Damian Pierce. Not as involved in the passing

573
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: game as I would like him to be, but he

574
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: is a guy who last year again a rookie coming

575
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: off of a horrific injury. Remember he got shot before

576
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: the season started, missed the first couple of weeks, miss first,

577
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Speaker 1: I think three weeks of the season, still played thirty

578
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Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, had a really good year on

579
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Speaker 1: the ground, and really by the end of the season

580
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: had started to assert himself and become the RB one

581
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Speaker 1: there played almost forty five forty six percent of the

582
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Speaker 1: snaps from weeks ten through seventeen was actually tenth. I

583
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: looked this up, tenth in yards after contact among running

584
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Speaker 1: backs from weeks ten through seventeen.

585
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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'd like for him to get more targets.

586
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Speaker 2: J D.

587
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Speaker 1: McKissick being there being gone, I should say probably, I

588
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: don't see those targets necessarily going to Robinson, at least

589
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: not in a heavy way, but it could mean more snaps,

590
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: could be more opportunities for him to get on the field,

591
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be the guy that you

592
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: see first down, second down, probably Antonio Gibson coming in

593
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: there on third down. But if he can get some

594
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: of that goal line works, some of that short yardage work,

595
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I think there's some upside there for for Brian Robinson.

596
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I just I like the way they used him. Hoping

597
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: with Eric b Enemy that offense gets better in Washington

598
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: as well. And again round nine, Robbins is there, Gibson

599
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: is usually there, so I don't I don't really hate

600
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: that pick either. But I just think Brian Robinson is

601
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: being maybe not overlooked, but I think he's undervalued a

602
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: little bit.

603
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like taking shots on him and Antonio Gibson

604
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: because if one like they both go so late that

605
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 3: you just need one if they can hit and get

606
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: the volume there, because I think there's the potential for

607
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: that offense.

608
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: To be better than people give it credit for. With

609
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: Eric Banemy there believe that one.

610
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: And then round ten, you and I once again came

611
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: to an agreement in round ten. This is the guy

612
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Speaker 1: I've I've really fallen in love with for the last

613
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Speaker 1: few weeks.

614
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: I was very high on him after free agency when

615
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: they it's Khalil Herbert, by the way, after the Bears

616
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: let David Montgomery walk. But then they brought in Deonte

617
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: Foreman and they drafted Rosehawn Johnson, and I started to

618
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: sour a bit, but his ADP fell and it just

619
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: kept falling, and you get him in the tenth round

620
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Speaker 3: now as the RB forty, and I understand that there's

621
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: a crowded backfield there, but I just believe that he

622
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: is the best of the running backs there. He led

623
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Speaker 3: all running backs last year in percentage of runs that

624
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: went for at least ten yards and yards after contact,

625
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: and right behind him were like Tony Pollard, Nick Chubb,

626
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: Damian Pierce, like the elite runners, and he was And

627
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: I get it limited sample sizes. He get more volume,

628
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: that number could come down a bit, but I just

629
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: think getting him as like your RB four at times. Yeah,

630
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Speaker 3: there'll be some dud weeks. There'll be some weeks where

631
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: justin fields vultures a touchdown or something like that, but

632
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: I think there'll be more good weeks than bad, and

633
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: that he is a very, very talented running back and

634
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: we are getting a huge discount on him just because

635
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: he shares.

636
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: The backfield with some other people.

637
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Speaker 1: Now, I agree one hundred percent, and I think last

638
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: year what you looked at was a guy who when

639
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: he was on the field, they were trying to get

640
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands as much as possible.

641
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: Now, the snap percentage was not great. I think he

642
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: played just like.

643
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: A quarter of the snaps, but that's also because I

644
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: think the Bears had really committed to getting David Montgomery

645
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: as many snaps and touches as they possibly could. I

646
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: don't see that kind of commitment for Deontay Foreman. I

647
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: think Rashawn Johnson is a nice piece as a guy

648
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: who's a good college running back. He was just stuck

649
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: behind a dude named Bijon at Texas. But I still

650
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: think Khalil Herbert will see him get more snaps this year.

651
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get the first crack at a

652
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities in this offense. I think you're right

653
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: that Justin Fields is going to frustrate you if you're

654
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: trying to play Khalil Herbert because he's going to take

655
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: some of those runs. Kaya takes some of those touchdowns

656
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: as well. But I still think there's a path for

657
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Herbert to go out and be super productive. And again

658
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the ADP you're talking tenth round, it's fairly minimal risk

659
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: for a guy that could have a lot of upside,

660
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: does have that pass catching upside as well, and.

661
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: If he gets more snaps and more touches, I think

662
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: the production goes up for him as well.

663
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: Do you think Deonta Foreman and Roshan Johnson combined top

664
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: two hundred carries combined?

665
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: No, actually I don't. I was thinking about that, like, no, I.

666
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: Don't either, And that's what David Montgomery had last year.

667
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: So that means even with those two there could still.

668
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Be volume up for grabs, right, And I've seen stories

669
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: that the Bears are are hoping that Justin Fields gets

670
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: a little more selective with his running, not that they're

671
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna take it away from him, mostly that he just

672
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit more wise about when he chooses

673
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: to run it. So maybe that means occasionally some dump

674
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: offs to guys like Khalil Herbert out of the backfield.

675
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Who knows so Anyway, those are some of our zero

676
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: RB targets. Obviously there are plenty more out there. Maybe

677
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: we can dive back into this a little bit later

678
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: on in the summer, but we're gonna take a break,

679
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: come back talk some late round league winners, looking rounds

680
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: at eleven through fifteen. Then we're gonna talk some vampires

681
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: a little bit later on as we get to the

682
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: Fouriales Film Festival. Stick around for that coming up on

683
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

684
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: So we talked some zero RB.

685
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Now we're talking some late round guys that could maybe

686
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: sneakily help you win a league. Talking about weeks or

687
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: around weeks, rounds eleven through fifteen guys, maybe you know,

688
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: sort of dart throw but educated dart throw. I guess

689
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: if you will round eleven. I mean, this guy was

690
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: a league winner last year for a lot of people,

691
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: so maybe he doubles up this year.

692
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Who knows?

693
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not running back with Jack McKinnon here, And

694
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: I know, like last year career high was eleven point

695
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: six points per game. That was still RB twenty six

696
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: in the per game, but in the fantasy in the

697
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: actual playoffs, if you use that for fantasy purposes, he

698
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: would have averaged twenty three Fantasy points per game. He

699
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: set the record for most consecutive games with a receiving

700
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: touchdown by a running back with at six, And they

701
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: liked using him near the goal on more than Pacheco

702
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: last year. And I know some people might be like,

703
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: why Pachecko's that big, physical back that you could give

704
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: the ball. It makes it harder to stop their offense

705
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: because you don't know if they're going to hand the

706
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: ball off to McKinnon and let him run up the middle,

707
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: or if they're going to pass the ball and he

708
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: could beat you as a receiver.

709
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: It's why guys like Austin Eckler.

710
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: Scored so many touchdowns near the goal line because it's

711
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: just harder for defenses to predict what you're going to do.

712
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: And the Chiefs didn't really add anything. They lost pieces,

713
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: but they didn't really add anything, especially into that backfield

714
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: and if anything, the production that was taking earlier last year,

715
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: because remember he was a top five running back for

716
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: the first month of the season because of receiving touchdowns alone.

717
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: If that all goes to Jack McKinnon now, which is possible,

718
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: he could be even better than he was last year.

719
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: But even if they do the thing where like they

720
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: ease him in early on in the year because they

721
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: don't want to give him too much work, and then

722
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 3: set him free in the fantasy playoffs.

723
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: Like he could win you a championship.

724
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: All you have to do is get there and he

725
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: may be the piece that could push you over the top.

726
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: It's just it's wild to think how he sort of

727
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere late last season, took over that

728
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: backfield and ended up helping a whole lot of people win.

729
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: It's it's funny too, because you look is still there,

730
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: but he's so much of an afterthought in fantasy now

731
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: no one's drafting.

732
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: I read something by a beat writer yesterday that was like, yeah,

733
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: he was inactive for the Super Bowl, but he played

734
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: the role of devansastic Smith.

735
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I saw that. They were like, so he still contributed.

736
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sure he's very happy about that. Also, No, he's.

737
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Nothing like Smith, like other than he just stood out

738
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: there and ran a couple of routes. I'm sure like

739
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing similar there. So my round eleven league winner,

740
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure I picked for some of the reasons as

741
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: you picked you around twelve League winner, so it feels

742
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: like we might as well just combine that.

743
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: For me.

744
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Round eleven, I'm looking at Jamal Williams spoiler alert in

745
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: round twelve, Florio's got Kendram Miller. So let's just put

746
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: this out here, right, I'm a Kamara's gonna miss time.

747
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. That's I like your pick better.

748
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: I like Jamal Williams better than Miller because I think

749
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: whether Kamara's out there or not, Jamal Williams is going

750
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: to have a role. I think Miller's role greatly depends

751
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: on if Kamara's out there or not. But I could

752
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: see him playing the Kamara role while Kamara is sidelined.

753
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: I think so. And I do like Kendram Miller.

754
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I have as kind of especially

755
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: a rookie sleeper this year, because I think he gets

756
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: opportunities early. But I'm looking at the goal line carries

757
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: for the Saints last year, nine opportunities through them went

758
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: to Kamara. The rest were split between Latavia's Murray Taysom Hill,

759
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and Mark Ingram.

760
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Hill is still there.

761
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: Murray's gone, Ingram is gone, Dalton is gone, so I

762
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: could see a lot of those opportunities going toward Jamal

763
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Williams this year. And I'm not gonna sit here and

764
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: tell you that he's gonna have another what seventeen eighteen

765
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: touchdown season like he did last season, but I do

766
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: think he gets a lot of that shortyard is that

767
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: goal line work, and as you mentioned, even when Kamerica

768
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: comes back, he's still going to get those opportunities. They're

769
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: not going to just suddenly phase him out of the offense.

770
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: He's got a role that's pretty much set all year long,

771
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: and that touchdown upside. The yardage may not blow you away,

772
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: but the touchdown upside I think is there significantly.

773
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, So that was out Round eleven, Round twelve.

774
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned Kndram Miller.

775
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: I like Nico Collins in the texth round because he

776
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: has the path to being Houston's number one wide receiver

777
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: and I think the targets are going to be there

778
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: for him. It's him and it's Dalton Schultz. Those are

779
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: the two guys getting targets in the Houston offense this year. Primarily,

780
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna be playing from behind, they're gonna be losing games,

781
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna be throwing the ball a lot, and Collins

782
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: has flashed a little bit of ability as well. I

783
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: think overall, fantasy wise, as you're talking maybe a wide

784
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: receiver three, but you know, to get a guy who

785
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: potentially could lead his team in targets and get him

786
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: in the twelfth round, that seems like a really nice

787
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: value to me.

788
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: He was my pick his rookie year to lead that

789
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 3: team in receiving touchdowns. It didn't happen, but I still

790
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: like going into this year, I'm like, yeah, I know,

791
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: he hasn't scored a whole lot of touchdowns in his career.

792
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: I still think he should be the favorite to lead

793
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: this team in receiving touchdowns.

794
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: No, I think I think that's very fair. I think, like, again,

795
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: like I said, it's him, it's Dalton Schultz. After that,

796
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there are any other Texans

797
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: pass catchers that I'm I'm interested in touching this year.

798
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: I have a lot of Dalton Schultz in my early drafts.

799
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: Do you really just because it's like you get him

800
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: as your second tight end in double digit rounds?

801
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's probably fair. Speaking of

802
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: tight ends, you have won a young one in round

803
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: thirteen that.

804
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: You like, Yeah, we we dove into Greg Doltchis last

805
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: week on this show, and I was saying that, like,

806
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: I looked at Sean Payton's success with tight ends, and

807
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: it does get a little overblown because the Jimmy Graham

808
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: numbers just really heavily till the scale. But like he

809
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 3: had wide receiver tight end one seasons out of Jared

810
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Cook and Ben Watt and like the ghost of Ben

811
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: Watson that was late career Ben Watson, So that is encouraging.

812
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: And Doltchik averaged more like yards per route as a

813
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: rookie than like the average Saints tight end did under Peyton.

814
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: So I do think there's potential here. They're talking about

815
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: like making him like the yat guy in this offense,

816
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 3: which I think could be really good for his fantasy value,

817
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: and you're talking about getting him in the in round thirteen.

818
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: He's always my second tight end usually it's like tight

819
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 3: end fifteen or so he's going.

820
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: So I just think at that point.

821
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: You're looking at the weakest position in the game, and

822
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: this is someone that has the upside to blossom. I'm

823
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: not gonna tell you he's gonna be like Travis Kelce

824
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: or anything like that. But if he blossoms into a

825
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: tight end that you can trust and start every single week,

826
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 3: that is huge for fantasy.

827
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Person Absolutely huge for fantasy.

828
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: And again, he came in, but he missed the first

829
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: few games because of an injury at the start of

830
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: the season. Once he got on the field, he immediately

831
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: stepped into a pretty nice role there in Denver. Obviously

832
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: things have changed over with Sean Payton there now. As

833
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Peyton able to do some good things with

834
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: tight ends. If this whole offense takes a step forward,

835
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I think Dulsic moves along with it. And where you're

836
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: getting him. I mean you talked about taking Dalton Schultz

837
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: az a second tight end. Greg Dulsich is probably going

838
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: to be your second tight end, especially in best ball situations.

839
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: I absolutely like that for me. I like Tank Bigsby.

840
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I know people love Travis Etn and I get it,

841
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: but I also think a couple of years into his career,

842
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: we're seeing that Etn is maybe different than what we.

843
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Thought when he was first drafted.

844
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: First of all, he is not involved in the passing

845
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: game at all in Jacksonville, so that sort of works

846
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: against him. I think you could see Bigsby sort of

847
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: work taking some of that opportunity there. Also just think

848
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: he's a guy who can kind of be more of

849
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: a bruising, bruising back for this Jaguars offense. I just

850
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: don't see them turning everything completely over to Etn. We

851
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: saw it the start of last year. They really wanted

852
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: to use two running backs with Etn and James Robinson.

853
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: After those first three weeks, Robinson fell off a cliff

854
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: and right now he's, you know, trying to find himself

855
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: a job somewhere. I think you're gonna see that situation

856
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: play out again this year where it's going to be

857
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 1: an Etn Bigsby backfield and to get him this late,

858
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: especially you're talking best ball, but even I think in

859
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: redrafts there's an opportunity for him to carve out a

860
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: nice little path in a Jacksonville offense that is.

861
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: Shockingly loaded right now for fantasy at least.

862
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know we don't like to project injuries

863
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: or anything like that, but he's one injury away from

864
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: being the starting running back on a really good.

865
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: Offense, you know.

866
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: And that is sort of when I when I look

867
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: at these later round guys. If I'm taking running backs,

868
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: that's sort of the calculus for me is that you know,

869
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: not that you're wishing it on anybody, but just sort

870
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: of understanding running backs get hurt. It happens, and so

871
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: you know you have guys that are potentially one step

872
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: away from getting a big opportunity there round fourteen, who

873
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: you got.

874
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: It might be crazy to say, but he might be

875
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: my most drafted player in my early drafts because he

876
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: is absolutely free Jalen Hyatt, And it's just.

877
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: Me and I like him more in bastball and all my.

878
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: Early drafts are best ball, which is a big reason

879
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: why I have him. But look at the Giants, hour Lad,

880
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: that's the website I was typing, pull up their depth chart,

881
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: But look at their depth chart at receiver right, like

882
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: Isaiah Hodgens, solid receiver, Darius Slayton, we know what he is.

883
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: And then everyone else on this team, Paris Campbell, Wandell Robinson,

884
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: Sterling Shepard, Jamison Crowder, they're all slot guys. You know

885
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: who can play in the slot and out wide. Jalen Hyatt,

886
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: you know who's the fastest on this team and the

887
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: most explosive receiver in my opinion Jalen Hyatt. He gives

888
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: them exactly what this offense needed. And coming into the draft,

889
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: I was like, the Giants really need to add perimeter speed,

890
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: and I thought Hyatt was a great fit. And then

891
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: I thought in the second round they had taken me

892
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: fell Ot to the third round. But I trust Brian

893
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: Dable and I think the Giants look back at last

894
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: year and they're like, we were by far the least

895
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: productive team on deep throws, so we need to incorporate

896
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: that into the offense to help open up stuff near

897
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Jalen Hyatt is their answer to

898
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: do that. I think there'll be up weeks and down weeks,

899
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: which is why I like him better in Best Ball.

900
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: But he is explosive and it just takes one long

901
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: catcher and have a nice week.

902
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: It's funny too, because I've been sort of picking and choosing.

903
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: I've drafted Higatt a few spots. I've also taken a

904
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: few shots at Wandale Robinson just because I think he's

905
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: a guy who I don't know. Maybe he turned out

906
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: to be a gadget player, but it feels like they

907
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: sort of want it didn't work with Kadarius Tony, right,

908
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: So they're gonna try it again with Wandale Robinson. That's

909
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of what it feels like. So I've taken some

910
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: shots at both both him and Hyatt. Also, I've also

911
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: taken a few shots at Daniel Jones as like a

912
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: second or third quarterback in Best Ball Best Ball drafts.

913
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I like Tyler Algier kind of for the same reason

914
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I talked about with Tank Bigsby. We saw what Algier

915
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: was able to do last year as the primary running

916
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: back in Atlanta. I understand he's going to be behind

917
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson, but this is going to still be a

918
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: very run heavy offense. There are going to be some opportunities,

919
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: albeit fewer for all year. But again, there's a path

920
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: for him to get a whole lot more work, and

921
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't see him being phased out. He had a

922
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: thousand yards last year. I just don't see all of

923
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: a sudden the Falcons deciding that they're just gonna park

924
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: him exclusively on the bench and let Bijon be the guy.

925
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: So I still think he gets some touches. I still

926
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: think he gets some opportunities, and if for whatever reason,

927
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Bijon can't go and Tyler ral year steps into a big,

928
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: big workload in Atlanta. Yeah, and in round fifteen wrapping

929
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: it up, I loved your round. I love your round

930
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: fifteen pick because it's a guy that I've been talking

931
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: about for a few weeks now.

932
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: The Gus Buss.

933
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 3: I take him with board one of my last round

934
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: picks and every single best ball I'm in because I

935
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: understand last year only eighty seven carries small sample size,

936
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: He's still averaged five yards per carry, which is what

937
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: he has done pretty much every single year of his career.

938
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: He had these seventh highest rate amongst running backs of

939
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: runs that went for at least ten yards. And I

940
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: know he's behind JK. Dobbins and everyone loves JK. Dobbins,

941
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: But last year Dobbins was better. Edwards was better in

942
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: yards after contact runs reaching fifteen plus miles per hour,

943
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: mistackles forced, and he was he had less runs that

944
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: were stuffed at the line of scrimmage. So to me,

945
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't think the gap is that wide between Dobbins

946
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: and Edwards. Yet you have to pay like a fourth

947
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: round pick to get Dobbins and Gus Edwards is an

948
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: absolute afterthought, and that's not even factoring in the part

949
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: that JK. Dobbins can't stay on the field, so he like,

950
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: it's very possible that we're gonna get weeks, if not

951
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: many weeks where Gus Edwards is the RB one on

952
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: this team.

953
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I just I have not understood that at all, right,

954
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: that you look at them in terms of any metric,

955
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: and the two of them are so similar, Edwards and Dobbins,

956
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: but the ADP gap is so wide, and I keep

957
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: looking back at it, and I keep googling Gus Edwards

958
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: like I'm like, there's gotta be a news story I'm missing, right,

959
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: Like there's something that I'm not seeing or something I

960
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: forgot about, because I can't explain that huge gap between

961
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the two of them, and I'm not finding anything. And

962
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: I think it was the Kwan that said he didn't

963
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: really want anything ring was you? Or the Quand that

964
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: said he didn't want anybody in the Ravens backfield.

965
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm all I think it was a Quand

966
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: because I'm all about.

967
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: He's basically like, I don't want either guy. He's like,

968
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: but at ADP, I'll take Gus Edwards, And I understand that.

969
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't understand the gap. I can't figure

970
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: that one out.

971
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 3: I mean, like JK. Dobbins in the last two years

972
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: has played eight games. Like the fact that we're invested

973
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 3: in all of these other backup running backs, but the

974
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: one that is proven that he can get the job

975
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: done is on a team that I know is going

976
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: to pass more, but it's still a run heavy team.

977
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: Sills Lamar Jackson like, to me, it's it's it's stealing.

978
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: It feels like I don't get it.

979
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: My round fifteen guy Sam Laporta, and he's the guy

980
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: that I have a lot of exposure to early draft season. Again,

981
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: this is we're talking kind of as a second or

982
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: third tight end depending on how I'm drafting here. But

983
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: we saw the Lions last year support multiple pass catchers.

984
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: This year, you know.

985
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: There's a chance that the offense maybe is even more

986
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: explosive than it was last year. We know what a'man

987
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown can do. We know what we're expecting

988
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: out of Jamison Williams. I think Jamior Gibbs is gonna

989
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: catch quite a few passes. But you go and you

990
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: look at that tight end depth chart in Detroit, it

991
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: is barren. I mean there is nobody there that you

992
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: think is gonna step in and get a whole lot

993
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: of targets. I mean, Brock Right, James Mitchell, Shane Zilstra,

994
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Derek Deese Junior. None of these names are jumping out

995
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: at you as guys who could get a lot of opportunities.

996
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: So I think Laport is a guy that you're gonna see.

997
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this plenty. After the first say

998
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: eight tight ends or so, you can pretty much pick

999
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: names out of a hat. So I think there will

1000
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: be weeks where could be a fringe tight end one

1001
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: he could get you that sort of opportunity in a

1002
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: Detroit offense that's going to move the ball and going

1003
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: to score. You know, I know we like the rookie

1004
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: tight ends. I know we like Dalton Kincaid. Michael Mayer

1005
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: is another name that's very popular. Don't forget Sam laportacuse

1006
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get some opportunities.

1007
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

1008
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: I think the lines rookies like even games, I feel

1009
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: like a little bit overlooked right now.

1010
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with that completely. So those are

1011
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: our late round league winners. Draft with care, Draft with caution,

1012
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure this will change as we get another

1013
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: month or two into the summer time. Now for Florio's

1014
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: Film Festival. In this week's selection, from Dusk Till Dawn

1015
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: released January nineteenth, nineteen ninety six, which side to win

1016
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: movies come out in January. That's usually the movie studios

1017
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: being like, we don't really know where to put this.

1018
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: It's not good enough to be a summer tent pole.

1019
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: We're just sort of dumping it here in January and

1020
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: hopefully people will just go see it because they're bored.

1021
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a holiday movie. We can't put

1022
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: it there.

1023
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: This is definitely not a holiday film. It feels like

1024
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: it would do well in October. Probably would do well

1025
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: in October.

1026
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: I would think a budget of nineteen million only grossed

1027
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars, so really just barely broke even.

1028
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: I think this is the lowest grossing film we have

1029
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: done so far.

1030
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: It's surprising to me because it's a movie that I

1031
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: didn't know a whole lot about. I'll tell you, I

1032
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: did not know much about the second half of the

1033
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: movie at all, but I always hear it mentioned and

1034
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: talked about and stuff, so I thought it would have

1035
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: done a lot better.

1036
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: I think it definitely has cult status in part because

1037
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: of one. I mean, it was, you know, Quentin Tarantino

1038
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Robert Rodriguez collaboration, and they have kind of a cult following,

1039
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: especially with Robert Rodriguez. And I think because of the

1040
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: subject matter, which I guess leads me to, Yeah, you

1041
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: learned that the first half of the movie and the

1042
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: second half of the movie don't necessarily match.

1043
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: I've never watched a movie where if you split it

1044
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: in half, you would not think they were the same movie,

1045
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: and that is this movie.

1046
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: I guess you do the synopsis real quick.

1047
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: Two criminals in their hostages unknowingly seek temporary refuge at

1048
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: a truck stop populated by vampires, with chaotic results.

1049
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: So first, the opening scene is the most Quentin Tarantino

1050
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: thing ever, like when the store clerk is on fire

1051
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: and shoot freaking out. I'm like, all right, this is

1052
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: And then he lands on the popcorn and all the

1053
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: colonels start popping. I was like, Okay, I'm in for

1054
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: a Quentin Tarantino movie, and I like him. So I

1055
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: was very much down and the first hour I was

1056
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: very invested, Like I was like, do they get to Mexico.

1057
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: How are they gonna make it till the morning? What's

1058
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: gonna happen to the hostages? Quentin Tarantino's character very very unlikable.

1059
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: Very unlikable, which I thought part of me was just

1060
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: like do they put him in a situation with vampires

1061
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: because they think vampires are more unlikable And I'm like, no,

1062
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: he's still a predator and a crew, and like I

1063
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: don't feel bad at all for what happens to know,

1064
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: like he's worse than the vampires. He's worse than the vampire.

1065
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: The vampires are mostly minding their own business. Yeah, they're just.

1066
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: They just want to serve bikers and truck drives. That's

1067
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: what they're there to do.

1068
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: So once they get through Mexico, I'm like, okay, this

1069
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: is a.

1070
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of movie like what happens? What's

1071
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: gonna happen?

1072
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: And then they're at this bar and I'm like okay,

1073
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, Danny Trey Hill then becomes

1074
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 3: a vampire yep, And I was just like, what is

1075
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: going on? And like they just to me that, Like

1076
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: up until then, I thought it was a classic, Like

1077
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: I'm really into it. The second half of the movie

1078
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: lost me a little bit, not only because like, they're

1079
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: vampires and you don't see it coming. George Clooney was

1080
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: entirely too calm for someone who is getting attacked by that.

1081
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: He's first of all, they're like what is this and

1082
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: he's like, well, clearly they're vampires like me, he knows,

1083
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: so that I was like, Wow, he's been in this

1084
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: situation before, it seems. I also was surprised that not

1085
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: all of them made it out. I thought I thought

1086
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: the hostages for sure.

1087
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: Were all making it out.

1088
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: So I hadn't seen this movie in a while. I'd

1089
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: seen it a few times, but it had been a while,

1090
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: and I forgot that really very few of them, almost

1091
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: almost none of them.

1092
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: They got it bad.

1093
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, very that almost none of them make it out

1094
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: of there. I really did think that the family mostly

1095
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: made it out. I forgot that they don't at all.

1096
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: I also loved how quickly some of them turned and

1097
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: how long others of them.

1098
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I tell waited a long time before he turned. The

1099
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: father he gets bit and he goes a long time.

1100
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, you know, the character named sex Machine, it

1101
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: didn't take him very long to turn.

1102
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: It turns immediately, so pretty much immediately he turns out.

1103
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: I love that, like because I saw that that happens first,

1104
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, the father gets bit, he's about

1105
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: to turn, and then he is so much time that

1106
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: they devolve.

1107
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: Hope. He's like, I got an hour. I'm like, how

1108
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: do you know this? You've never experienced this before in

1109
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: your life.

1110
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: He also said he didn't believe in vampires, but somehow

1111
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: he knew that he had an hour or.

1112
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Before he turned.

1113
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: Both of them were like, I don't believe in vampires,

1114
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: but we're dealing with them now.

1115
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: It's well, clearly in your world they're real.

1116
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: They're eating you as we speak. I also loved when

1117
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: George Clooney is like what's his name? In the Seth

1118
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: Seth He's like, my he is not a vampire. He's

1119
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: still my brother. And it's like, no, he's clearly.

1120
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: They put the makeup on him and he's got weird teeth.

1121
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing my unanswered question.

1122
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 3: There's not many, but how come when they eventually shoot,

1123
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: I guess, well, it's her brother, the son.

1124
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Why do all of them explode? Yeah? I don't know

1125
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: other than it just was a cool.

1126
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Visual yeah, because I was like, how are they going

1127
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: to get out of this? They're clearly outnumbered, and then

1128
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: they all just blow up, and.

1129
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, well that's convenient.

1130
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just that was a convenient, really cool visual,

1131
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: But there was no other explanation for for while, this.

1132
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: Felt like to me like they wanted to the first

1133
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: half of the movie was like, let's make an actual

1134
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: crime movie where they're on the run. And if you

1135
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: could have kept that movie going without the vampires, I

1136
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: would have watched the two hours of just that. The

1137
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: second half of the movie felt like Quentin Tarantino just

1138
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: wanted to like rage on something, and he was like,

1139
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: all right, let's make them vampire.

1140
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: This make vampires a couple of things. Green blood was

1141
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: used for the vampires to get the movie past the sensors.

1142
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure if they made it look like actual blood,

1143
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: it probably would have been a little much, a little

1144
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: much not rated R. I think I'm pretty sure it's

1145
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: rated R. There are a lot of adult themes.

1146
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to oh wait, the opening scene when

1147
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 3: they see the bar alone has to make.

1148
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: It are Yeah, So I'm pretty sure it's an R

1149
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: rated film. But I think in terms of like. You know,

1150
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: there's only so much blood. I think sensors will allow.

1151
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: But you make a green then it's it's not quite

1152
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: the same. I did not know that Samahayak has a

1153
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: real fear of snakes, always refused to be near them.

1154
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: When she read the script, she knew her phobia would

1155
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: prevent her from taking the part. I guess point out

1156
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: that she dances with a like a python early in

1157
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: the film.

1158
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: Not only does she dance with it, it slithers like

1159
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: it's up her face and through her head.

1160
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: I was freaked out watching it.

1161
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: So when she read the script, she knew her phobia

1162
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: would prevent her from taking the part. Robert Rodriguez conned

1163
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: her into thinking that Madonna was ready to nab the

1164
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: part instead, So Hayak spent two months with therapists to

1165
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: overcome her fear.

1166
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: There you go, that's all you need. Do you think

1167
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: she's into snakes now? I don't think she's into snakes.

1168
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: I think she just figured out how to how to

1169
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: separate herself from her fear for you know, a few

1170
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: weeks to get that done. Quentin Tarantino pitched this to

1171
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: John Travolta. At the same time he was preparing to

1172
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: do pulp fiction. He said he didn't want to work

1173
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: on a vampire movie, so he did pulp fiction instead.

1174
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Got nominated for Best Actor for doing that. So I

1175
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: think he was a good career choice. It's good career

1176
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: choice for him. Tarantino was paid fifteen hundred dollars to

1177
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: write the script. George Clooney was paid two hundred and

1178
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to be in the movie, which seems

1179
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: like a bargain for a guy like George Clooney.

1180
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, was he George Clooney at that time?

1181
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: He had done well, he had done er, which sort

1182
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: of launched him.

1183
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know he was. He was.

1184
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: He was on his way doing big things at that point.

1185
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Was he Batman at this point? Already he might.

1186
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: Have been Batman by by this point, I'll google that. Yeah,

1187
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: so he he might have been also in this.

1188
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: Uh that was ninety seven Batman came out. Oh, so

1189
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: he hadn't been all right.

1190
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: Uh, it was George Clooney's idea for Seth to have

1191
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: a tattoo having seen the movie once We're Warriors. And

1192
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: I bring this up because I got an email from

1193
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: a listener who is in New Zealand.

1194
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, he's in New Zealand. Uh is it

1195
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: Brin or Brian?

1196
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I apologize for for screwing it up, but he recommended

1197
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: that I watch Once We're Warriors. It stars Tamara Morrison,

1198
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: who uh a Star Wars geeks know as Boba Fett.

1199
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: I did watch the trailer for it, by the way,

1200
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: probably not a movie we're.

1201
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: Gonna do on this show.

1202
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: It seems very dramatic and not fitting with the theme

1203
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: of it, but it does seem like to be a

1204
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: really interesting sort of dramatic film to watch. So thank

1205
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: you for the suggestion. I will put it on my

1206
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: list of things to watch at some point in the future. Anyway,

1207
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: the whole point being that the George Clintey had just

1208
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: watched that movie Once for Warriors and he.

1209
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: Decided the tattoo is very aggressive. It's very aggressive, like

1210
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: it comes up his entire arm and his name but

1211
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: through his neck.

1212
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: So that was that was why he came up with

1213
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: with that. So all that being said, and realizing what

1214
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: the second half of the movie is versus the first,

1215
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: would you willingly watch this again?

1216
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1217
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 3: I think so, Like it would have to be like, oh,

1218
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: there's not a lot on TV, but from Dust till

1219
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 3: Dawn is on, I also would probably watch more likely

1220
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: to watch the first half again. Nicolett walked in yesterday while,

1221
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: like while the transition was happening, and she's like, what

1222
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: are you watching? And I was like, I promise you

1223
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: the movie had zero vampires.

1224
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: It was a normal crime. She's like, no way. I'm like, yeah,

1225
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: they're just their two brothers on the run and they're

1226
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: trying to make it.

1227
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: They killed a bunch of people, they're on the run.

1228
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: It's very believable, and then it all changes.

1229
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: But we've not watched ten movies. Okay, I put this

1230
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: one seventh in the rankings. Okay, ahead of Desperado face

1231
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 3: off in the Last Action Hero. Okay, that seems fair,

1232
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: but behind all the rest, that's fair.

1233
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1234
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: A couple of times I have tried to make tortured

1235
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: connections from movies to the NFL. This one actually has

1236
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: a really easy, obvious connection. I think the character's name

1237
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: is Frost, even though they never say it out loud

1238
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: in the movie. He's the guy who smokes the cigars.

1239
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: Had the whole story about Vietnam. That character is played

1240
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: by Fred Williamson, who was a defensive back for the Steelers, Raiders,

1241
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: and Chiefs back in the sixties. Played from nineteen sixty

1242
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty seven, made three Pro Bowl appearances. Yeah,

1243
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: actually had had eight interceptions in one season for the

1244
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: Raiders back in nineteen sixty two. Fred the Hammer Williamson,

1245
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: who after he quit playing football, decided to become an actor.

1246
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: So there is another character who I felt like was

1247
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 3: just way too calm with everything going on around him.

1248
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: Like he at one point he lights his the match

1249
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: and he's just talking and I'm like that whole thing,

1250
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: and like he just lighting his cigar and there's.

1251
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: Like vampires going all around him. I'm like, how are

1252
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: you calm with it?

1253
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: Right?

1254
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: Because you know, he had to deal with the Raiders

1255
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs and the Steelers back in the sixties

1256
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: and seventies. So I guess after that everything is is

1257
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: kosher at that point. Next week Florida was AWF will

1258
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: have Lakwan Jones sitting in for us, sitting in with us,

1259
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: So I will tell you in advance because our next

1260
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: show that we do together will be our show just

1261
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: before Independence Day. So our next film selection will be

1262
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Independence Day, which you've never seen Independence Day?

1263
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: Nope. And I don't know if you remember when.

1264
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: You came over a couple of weeks ago when we

1265
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: were talking and stuff, and I was like, I always

1266
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: get that, and.

1267
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: What's the Bruce willis Armageddon? Armageddon? I get those two confused,

1268
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: and I got roasted for saying.

1269
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're very, very different. So we're gonna watch

1270
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: Independence Day. You have two weeks to watch it because

1271
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be gone next week, so we'll watch it

1272
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: just behead of fourth of July. We might have to

1273
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: get Patrick Claybot on the show because he I know

1274
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: that that is his yearly family tradition around the fourth

1275
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: of July is to watch Independence Day, and he is

1276
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: as learned about that film as anybody in this building.

1277
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: If Patrick's coming on, we might have to do it

1278
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: two for one and I'll just watch Snakes on a Plane.

1279
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: Then, because I know that's not nineties, but it's all

1280
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: right though. The Snake's on a plane again, that's another

1281
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: that is another Patrick clayband classic. So maybe we'll reach

1282
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: out to him in advance. We'll get him to come

1283
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: on the show. We can talk ID four we can

1284
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: talk snakes on a plane. It could be the whole thing.

1285
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't even talk fantasy football that week. Maybe

1286
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: we just do that.

1287
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: I think, I mean the amount of sweets that we

1288
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: get about the movies. I think people will be okay

1289
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: with that. That's fine. You know what.

1290
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, NFL Plus is a thing to

1291
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: the people who run NFL Plus. Just give us a

1292
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: movie show and we'll try to tie it into football

1293
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: as much as possible.

1294
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: But we'll just talk movies. You can put that on

1295
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: NFL Plus.

1296
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: There's not of movies I have yet to watch, so

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Speaker 1: many movies that he hasn't watched. We can do a

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Speaker 1: whole show about this. In the meantime, I think this

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Speaker 1: is a good spot to end this edition of the show.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition.

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Speaker 2: Of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

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Speaker 1: They happy, safe and healthy, do good and live well,

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Speaker 1: enjoy whatever movies you watch, and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next week.