1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Brown You into Double Battle Brown. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Live from the Parts Unknown Studios. This is the Battleground Podcast. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Battle Crowd, the Battle Crowd. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: The Battle your place for all things pro wrestling, from 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: the independent scene to w W E A, E w R, O, H, 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: M w A and Impact Wrestling, the hot topics, as 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: well as interviews with some of the biggest names in 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: the game. 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: The Battle Crowd. Welcome, Battle Brown. 10 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: The Battleground Podcast starts now. 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Carry your hosts go to the battle Ground. 12 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Battle and Eli. 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: Who Welcome to episode number one forty two. 14 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: Holy crap, one hundred and forty two episodes. 15 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: We've been doing this thing for two years. Man, We're 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 3: eight away from one hundred and fifty. I do appreciate 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: every single one of you that has been along this 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 3: crazy ride that we love to call the Battleground Podcast. 19 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: My name is Battle, I'm your host. Eli is out today. 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: But we do have a special guest on the show. 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: But before we get to the special guest, I gotta 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: do get to some business first. Please make sure that 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: you follow us on Instagram. It is Battleground Podcast. We 24 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: are on Twitter Battleground IHR and just for the summertime, 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: we do have a special edition Battleground Podcast T shirt. 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: It is a Neon Green T shirt. It is absolutely amazing. 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: I could grab that right now. Territory Wrestling Teas dot 28 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Com get you a Battleground Podcast T shirt. 29 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: A very exciting show today. 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: I told the group when I was able to line 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: this up that I've been trying to get this person 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: on the show for a while now. 33 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Super excited for them to be on the show. 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: I will go ahead and put this on record right 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: now that they have the greatest hair in wrestling, the 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: greatest mullet in wrestling, and that means it is time 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: to introduce you to today's guest. Everyone, We've got Brian 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Pillman Jr. On the show with us today. 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Man, what's up? 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, how's it going. I appreciate praise there. You know, 41 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: that's something I get getting more often now that people 42 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: are starting to pick up on my work and stuff. 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: So I appreciate that. 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: I mean, not only are you an amazing wrestler, but 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: you've got amazing hair, so it's like a double whammy 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: for you right there. 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. I always say, you know, it's one of the 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: most important parts of the business is having a good 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: head of hair, at least That's how I was. 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Trained, right, and you've got to have that hair. 51 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: I tried to grow out the mullet, but I just 52 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: I don't think I could have pulled it off. So 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: I just went back to the old buzzcuts. So that's 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: that's the way I have. 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 4: You got to have the confidence, you know you got. 56 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: That's half battle. 57 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: Oh, most definitely. So let's kind of just jump into 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: this real quick. You know, a big question we always 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: have for you know, second generation wrestlers is did you 60 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: always know you wanted to get into the wrestling bus 61 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: or did the bug kind of bite you later in life? 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and definitely took a long time, right. You know, 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 4: my father passed when I was four years old and 64 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: I was I was doing They did the Pillman memorial shows, 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: so I got to you know, kind of connect with 66 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: all those stars at the time and brand my stereo. 67 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: Chris Jericho, you know, Ben Wa, Regal, all those guys 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: helped out at the shows and put all their best matches. 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: But as I grew up older, some of those bridges 70 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: were burned and stuff, and some of those ties were severed. 71 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: Just as my as my family kind of my mother 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: and my stepfather kind of alienated themselves from the wrestling business, 73 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: so to speak, and I was more not raised up 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 4: in the business. You know, I wasn't really a fan 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: of it either, because I was led to believe that, 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: you know, it killed my father and you know all 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: this other stuff. So I was kind of I was 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: kind of left in the shadows as far as the 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: wrestling business went for pretty much twenty years. You know. 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: I played football and in high school, and I went 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: on to graduate college. I played college lacrosse. So I 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: always maintained my athleticism and stuff like that because I 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: knew that my father was an athlete, and I knew 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: that if I wanted to do something, you know, maybe 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: try to go pro football or something, that was my 86 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: best bet. But no, things really really changed for me. 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: After I graduated college. I went on to work a 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: job in a corporate company, fortune fifty company, making some 89 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: pretty good money, really good benefits. But it just I 90 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 4: realized that my personality wasn't good for such a job. 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't made to sit down. My genetics 92 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 4: weren't designed to work at a desk, you know. I 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 4: was I was something that I felt like I was 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: destined to be some greater than that. So that's when I, 95 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: at the age of say twenty three, I started looking 96 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: at the given training and going to the Storm Wrestling. 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Academy Man and Lance Storm. 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: If if I got to say, training under anybody, Lancetorm 99 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: probably has to be like the top of the line 100 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: to get trained, right. 101 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, just being there if it's in Calgary, 102 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: and he had such a such a good work rate 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: and respect for the business at the time. I wish 104 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: the school had never closed, But at the time it 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: was the best place to train, right. 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: What was kind of like your experience like training? Like 107 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: when you got there, was it kind of one of 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: those things where they're like, okay, you know this is 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: Brian Pillman's son. Did they kind of you know, just 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: throw you to the wolves kind of look past that 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: or how did all that go? 112 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: Well? You know, I think like Lance had a really 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: good approach to it. He didn't want to give me 114 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: any special treatment. He didn't want to treat me any 115 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: differently than the rest of the students, And of course 116 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: I didn't either, you know, I wanted to be treated 117 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 4: just like the rest of everybody else. I would to 118 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: be given a fair shot and be given the same 119 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 4: training as everybody else. And that's exactly what I got. 120 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 4: You know. There were definitely some times where he pushed 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 4: me a little harder. He was a little more critical 122 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: of me than some of the other students, But that's 123 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: because he saw the potential, right, and he really wanted 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: me to to be, you know, to be molded into somebody. 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: You know, he really really really wanted me to work right. 126 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: Do you have any you know, any favorite memories from 127 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: training with Lance at that that wrestling school. 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was. I lived there for three months. We 129 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 4: trained for three months. There was a lot of fun memories. 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: Lance used to tell a lot of stories and stuff 131 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: and you know, different things. But uh, but no, I mean, 132 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: I think I think one of the greatest memories was 133 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: just just having that having that bond and that friendship 134 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: with a lot of those kids. Actually, it's funny. I 135 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: guess I was thinking of some wild things. Actually, somebody 136 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 4: somebody actually egged in my car really well I was 137 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 4: living there. Yeah, I never really found out who it was, 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: but I think it was one of his previous students 139 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: that had up there and had lived in the same 140 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: like apartment complex. As me, just like playing a rib 141 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 4: on me or just trying to get back at me 142 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: for something. And I was like, I don't even know 143 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: what I did to this guy, But somehow, some way, 144 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: somebody got upset and egged my car. And then and 145 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: then it's because it's in Calgary, it's in Canada. It's 146 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: because they're frozen over and ended up freezing. Oh no, 147 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: I had like frozen egg yolks, frozen eggshells all over 148 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: my car. You know that I drove thirty I drove 149 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: this car thirty hours across the country to uh to 150 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: get to fricking Calgary. You know, the whole fucking whole 151 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: day's worth a trout. Like, but me and my uncle 152 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: we went when we took this journey, we went out west, 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: right because we lived in Cincinnati, so we're going out 154 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: west to Calgary. But instead of taking like the GPS 155 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: proper way to get there, we went all the way 156 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: out west so we could see the different parks, so 157 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: we could see Yellowstone and so we could see the 158 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 4: mountain more and all that. So it was like a 159 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: really scenic route that we took to get there, and 160 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 4: it was it was just a great experience to finally 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: begin my journey in pro wrestling. 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: Man, and that just I mean somebody egging your car 163 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: and the fact that nobody still has come forward. I mean, 164 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: with as many people have wrestling podcasts and everything else, 165 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: I'm surprised somebody hasn't told the story of like, you know, I, 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: you know, Brian Philman Junior's car when he was training, 167 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: you know, at least try to do something. So kind 168 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: of one question I would like to know, and we 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: had a listener submit this one, but it's how often 170 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: do you get told that you look like your dad? 171 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: And how did he influence your current wrestling style? 172 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: You know, I always get told that I look like him, 173 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: and I think, I think I do. I think I 174 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: looked with a lot like him, but I also have 175 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: my own kind of unique look too, you know, like 176 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 4: I don't look dead on, but my body shaped definitely 177 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: in the way I was told. I guess Chris Jerko 178 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: thought that I worked similarly like. 179 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 5: My body language in the ring and stuff was very 180 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 5: similar to his too, So I thought thought that was 181 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 5: a really cool thing to note, and he said it. 182 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: It's pretty common in the wrestling business with people in 183 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: the same family kind of work similarly and have similar 184 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 5: body language. So I thought that was a unique phenomenon, 185 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 5: just because I never really. 186 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: Got to know by that. Right. So he passed when 187 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: I was four years old, So it's not like he 188 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: coached me or trained me how to move and how 189 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: to wrestle. He just these are just natural genetic movements 190 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: that people have. 191 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, and did you did you? 192 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: Kind of ever, you know, go back and watch him 193 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: of his matches and you know, use some of his moves. 194 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: Is kind of like, I'm going to add this to 195 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: my repertoire, is kind of like an homage to him 196 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: or Yeah. 197 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: In a way, I tried to avoid doing too much 198 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: of that because I didn't want people to, you know, 199 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: really feel like I was, you know, pushing the envelope 200 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: too much with that, and I probably wanted to be 201 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 4: original and be myself. I was. I was very influenced 202 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 4: by the modern day wrestling style and what the you know, 203 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: what was going on in Japan and with the box 204 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: and everything, so that was kind of my education coming 205 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 4: into the business. But at the same time, I think 206 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: Lance Storm in our training, he kind of secretly taught 207 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: me a bunch of moves that my dad would do 208 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 4: just to kind of give me that kind of that 209 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 4: Canadian style. You know, they're kind of implanted in my 210 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: in my repertoire without me like going out of my 211 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: way to like think that I'm copy of my dad. 212 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: Like he taught me how to do the springboard crossbody, 213 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: the springboard clothesline to moves that I still use to 214 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: this day, you know, the air pillment and that. So 215 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: he taught me those things without me like having to 216 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: forcefully like think about like, oh, I'm copy of my dad. 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: He didn't want that. He just wanted to show me 218 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: how to do him safely in case I ever wanted 219 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: to use him. So I always thank Lands for that. 220 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian Pillman Jr. Is our guess on the show. 221 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: So let's kind of go back a few years back, 222 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: Like you know, late twenty eighteen, you signed with MLW, 223 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: which puts you on a national stage in a very 224 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: big way. 225 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: How did that opportunity. 226 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: Come about and what have you learned the most in 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: your time with MLW. 228 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: MMW. I've learned a lot there. You know. I had 229 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: some of my best opponents there, some of my best matches, 230 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: my my first when I consider great match where I've 231 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 4: really kind of came into my own as far as 232 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: my intensity and my style goes. Is when I faced 233 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: low Key. I felt really good about that match, and 234 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: that was really the beginning of like where my confidence 235 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: started to take off. You know. So I MLW a 236 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: lot for putting me in the very experienced guys, guys 237 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 4: that could really lead me and mold me into the 238 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: perform I am today. 239 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: So yeah, and low Key is like the most underrated 240 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: person ever, Like he is phenomenal. I remember watching him 241 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: at like the TNA days at the fair Grounds here 242 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: in Nashville, like the most underrated person who is phenomenal. 243 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: And and thought too. And Austin Aris. There's also some 244 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: some matches that I'm very proud of, you know. Yeah. 245 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: Oh man, just thinking about those matches right now, I'm 246 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: gonna have to go back after this interviews over just 247 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: rewatch those. One of the biggest stories to come out 248 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: of MLW in the last few years is the formation 249 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: of the New Era Heart Foundation, which we've got to say, 250 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: absolutely brilliant. How did that faction get brought to life? 251 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: And you know what was the highlight of your time 252 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: with that faction? 253 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: Uh, the New Heart Foundation me and Teddy and Davy 254 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 4: Boyce Smith Junior. I will say that was one of 255 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: the most organic things. It's kind of what would seal 256 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 4: the deal in it for me to join MLW was 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: you know, when when they pitched that to me, I thought, Wow, 258 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: this is this is really magical, this is really this 259 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: goes in line with my story and who I am, 260 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 4: and it put me in a place to have a 261 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: relationship with the Heart family more so than I already did. 262 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: You know, I'd already been to Calgary and trained and 263 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 4: got to meet them and to see where where Bruce 264 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: lived and where my dad would hang out and stuff. 265 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: So it was a really cool experience to them kind 266 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 4: of double down on that relationship and form the new 267 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: Heart Foundation, and of course having having the blessing of 268 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: the family and stuff to do that was was super 269 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: such a such a high honor and and for the 270 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: most part, you know, Teddy and Davey Boyd really took 271 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: care of me as far as leading the charge and 272 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: putting on these awesome matches with the dynasty and always 273 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 4: protecting my flaws and my weaknesses. You know, being so 274 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 4: green in the business and having such a high pressure situation, 275 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 4: I was putting so many high pressure situations early on 276 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: at a company like MLW, who doesn't have too much 277 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: exposure to get me over exposed to the business and 278 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: to the fans, but just enough exposure to generate some 279 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 4: height from me and at the same time protecting my 280 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 4: flaws while I'm still learning in the business. So it 281 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: was the perfect storm of storytelling and organic you know 282 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: ability in the ring. 283 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: Right, was there like a favorite moment that stands out 284 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 3: as you were part of this new Eraheart foundation, Like 285 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: was there the one match or the one time that 286 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: you thought, man, this is really really cool. 287 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, And I always say like, you know, 288 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 4: gracious and victory and humble and defeat. But I thought 289 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: the ladder match that we had with the Dynasty was 290 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: really really cool because it was able. I was able 291 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: to build up other guys, I like Richard Halliday, who 292 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 4: who I'm very proud of that moment for him. You know, 293 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 4: when we're climbing up the ladder to grab the belt 294 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: and uh and we're you know, we're trading blows at 295 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: the top of the ladder and then you know, already 296 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: Blake grabs me, pulls me down and he's able to 297 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: grab that belt and solidify his moment in the wrestling 298 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: business and and and get a little more star power 299 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: for him. To me, that's that's what the business is 300 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 4: all about, you know. It's not about being selfish or 301 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: being you know, trying to put myself over. You know, 302 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 4: I know I have a lot of things going for 303 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: me and a lot of strengths going for me. So 304 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: to go out there with the guys like the Dynasty 305 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: and like like how I wrestled Hammerstone for the inaugural 306 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: national title, it was just an honor of being out 307 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: there in the ring with him, you know, because he 308 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: sets her incredible athlete, such a such a great physique 309 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: and definitely a future star in the business. 310 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you talk about future stars, and 311 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: like we've said on the show before, we know that 312 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: you're about to be on the rocket trajectory of going up. 313 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: And we know that's for sure because I mean, you're 314 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: named MLW Rookie of the Year in twenty eighteen, Pro 315 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: Wrestling Illustrated Rookie of the Year in twenty nineteen, I mean, 316 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: amazing accolades. 317 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Do these kind of. 318 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: Serve as motivation to continue to own your craft or 319 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: like how does it feel when they say, hey, You're 320 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen Rookie of the Year both at mL 321 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: MLW and then Pro Wrestling Illustrated in twenty nineteen. 322 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, it really sets the bar high for myself. 323 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: You know, already the bar and the expectation was already high, 324 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: you know, just being Brian Pulman's kids. So I have 325 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: now I have these standards that I've achieved that need 326 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: to be held high. Right. You know it used to 327 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: be that I was just Brian Hullman Junior, But now 328 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: I'm Brian Pillman Junior, the rookie of the year, you know, 329 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: two time Rougkie of the Year, and if all goes 330 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: to plan, maybe I'm the ae W Rookie of the 331 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: Year as well, you know, going into that next level, 332 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: you know, going into a new company, that would make 333 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: me a rookie at that company. 334 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: Right. 335 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: So right, if I if I've made my debut, and 336 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: if I can if I could prove myself within the 337 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: next several months to be a real a real problem 338 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: for these guys and a real threat to to to 339 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: these titles and these matches, then I could very well 340 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: be the three time rookie the year. 341 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: And I have no doubt about it that that can 342 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: happen because and you mentioned AW and you particied in 343 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: a W or AW double or nothing, the Casino Battle Royal. Uh, 344 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: you were on ae W Dark in the course you 345 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: just had a title match against Brian Cage And I 346 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: was telling some friends of mine when we were sitting 347 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: there watching, I was like, I think that is Brian 348 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: Pillman sitting there at ringside at a W And then 349 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: all of a sudden the internet exploded, Uh seeing you there, 350 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: and of course you know you start off, So how 351 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: cool is it to be able to perform. 352 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: For a e W. Oh, It's It's it's crazy because 353 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: like I said, I've always been gravitated to that, to 354 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: that style. That's the style I kind of came in on. 355 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 4: And I've always gravitated towards Cody too, because of his 356 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: story and in his background where he comes from. He's 357 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: one of the few people in the business that I 358 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 4: can really ask, you know, for certain types of advice from, 359 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: you know, because you know, we we have some sort 360 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: of some of the same kind of shoes, you know. 361 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: So I've always gravitated towards him, and I never wanted 362 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: to like ask for a favor. You know, I always 363 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: wanted to work for a shop, and so I did 364 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: my best to go down there and to train in 365 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 4: Atlanta and the Nightmare Factory and try to earn an opportunity, 366 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I didn't want to you know, 367 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 4: I wasn't looking for any free lunches, you know what 368 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: I mean. I wanted something that I worked for, that 369 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: I earned for. And that kind of goes back to 370 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: the theme of my career of taking myself onto the 371 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: indies and not having to guaranteed deal with anybody, you 372 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like I didn't call up Hunter 373 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: and try to get an XT. I didn't. I didn't 374 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: take that route because I wanted to take the harder route. 375 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: I wanted to take the route but an indie wrestler 376 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: would have to take to try to get noticed and 377 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: to try to get a job. And still, you know, 378 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 4: I'm almost three years in the business and I'm still 379 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: yet to sign a full time contract with anybody, you know. 380 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 4: Being that MLW was was a really great deal on 381 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 4: the indies, but it was definitely not a full time pay, 382 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: definitely not a full time contract. It was it was 383 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 4: great for the exposure and of course the opponents I faced. 384 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: But at this time, my goals are one hundred percent 385 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: focused on getting getting my release from MLW. You know, 386 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 4: no no hard feelings against the company. They did me 387 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: very well, but I'm hoping that they will will release 388 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: me soon so that I can pursue a full time 389 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: contract with aw. 390 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, watching your matches, like and I 391 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: saw it, you know, watching AW Dark, I believe if 392 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: I saw online correctly, it was the highest rated YouTube 393 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: match most watched, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's 394 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: because of Brian Pillman Jingiors on the show, right, Yeah, as. 395 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 4: Far as like live viewing goes, I think like the 396 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 4: live viewership was the highest. I know they have some 397 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 4: other episodes that had more total views over time, but yeah, 398 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: I just I brought a very I brought a very 399 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: good energy and ad and a good hype around AW Dark. 400 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: And as I've talked in different people in the company, 401 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: I think AW Dark is very important to the product. 402 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 4: I think there's hundreds of thousand people that watch YouTube 403 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 4: and it shouldn't be understated or undersold. So if I'm 404 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: using that capacity as sort of a YouTube Internet draw, 405 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: then I'm all for it, you know. I'll go on 406 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 4: there and I'll put on my best work each and 407 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 4: every weekday in, day out. So I was very pleased 408 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: to see that the results came in and that there 409 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: was an increasing viewership for both my matches. I think 410 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: it went up. It went up the first match, and 411 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: then it almost went up another time, like more so 412 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 4: than the ratings went up that week the next time 413 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: when I wrestled with Brian Cage. So there's increasing interest obviously, 414 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: Brian Cage too, being a huge draw for the company, 415 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: a huge machine, you know, he's a money printing machine. 416 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 4: He's he's gonna do great things there, and especially being 417 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: in that world title of picture. To be able to 418 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 4: go in the ring with Brian Cage was a true 419 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: privilege and honor. 420 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: Right, you know. 421 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: And we were sitting there talking about it because we 422 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: have a group chat with everybody on the show, and 423 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, your second match, you're going against 424 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: Brian Cage, the FTW World champion, So it's technically a 425 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: title shot, correct. 426 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I technically was you know, a little little gimmick belt, 427 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 4: but now a belt nonetheless, and that's the thing, you know, 428 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: like it's sort of a flex on on on just 429 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: who he is and his style and obviously Taz introducing 430 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: that belt to just you know, give the people something 431 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 4: to something to look forward to. But you know, maybe 432 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 4: that type of best change hands at some point down 433 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: the line, you know, you know, maybe uh, maybe we 434 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: do some more business with that, you know. 435 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here thinking, I was like watching that match, 436 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: and it was it was a phenomenal match, got great. 437 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: Reviews on it. 438 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: I really think that if anything could happen, I think that, uh, 439 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: there could be two titles that Brian Pillman Jr. 440 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: Could have in a W. 441 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm gonna go ahead and say this the FTW 442 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: Championship or the TNT Championship, which brings me to my 443 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: next thing. You know, Cody offers these these challenges every week. 444 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: When are we going to see Brian Pillman Jr. Say 445 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: let me get a shot at that. 446 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 4: Well, you know what, there's been some scouting going around, 447 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: you know, I know arn Is Is is doing his 448 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: rounds and given a lot of these guys who deserve 449 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: it an opportunity. I've learned very quickly to be patient, 450 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: be patient in my career. I know that when the 451 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: time comes, the time comes, and I think the time 452 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 4: is going to come when the iron is really hot, 453 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 4: and I think it's gonna come when it time for 454 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 4: me to win that title. You know, I don't think 455 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out there and uh and and I'm 456 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 4: gonna leave it all out in the ring, you know 457 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: what I mean. I'm gonna go out there and have 458 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 4: the best match of my life, and I'm gonna be 459 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 4: playing to win, you know what I mean. I'm not 460 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: going out there just to say I challenge him for 461 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: the title. I fully fully prepared to win that title 462 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: right and win the opportunity to come. So I think 463 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: that they're gonna you know, they can take their time 464 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: and they can give everybody a shot. I know, a 465 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: guy war Horse is somebody that's very much a threat 466 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: to that title, somebody that's very dangerous. He's a guy 467 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 4: that's been through a lot. You know, He's he's he's 468 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 4: had a freaking turn buckle pooled out of his mouth, 469 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: he's had He's put on some spectacular matches all over 470 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: the world. And if anybody's gonna give Cody a real 471 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: test and a real run for his money, it's war Horse. Yeah, 472 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: but anybody's gonna actually finally claim that title and take 473 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 4: it off with Cody's waist, It's gonna be Brian Hill Junior. 474 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: And that is the thing. 475 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: And I will tell you this, everybody that's come on 476 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 3: this show has went on to win a title, with 477 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: the exception of Juice Robinson and then they lost the titles, 478 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: the tag team titles, titles after. 479 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 4: That's good luck. You guys got some good luck. 480 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 481 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: So with the exception of them, everybody that's been on 482 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: has won a title, gone on to win the title. 483 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: So you being on the show, we're putting our good 484 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: luck mojo out there for you to win the title, 485 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: and of course we want to see that T and 486 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: T title. 487 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: Around your waist. 488 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: Is there anybody on the roster? I mean, you've worked 489 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: with Sean Spears, you worked with Brian Cage. Is there 490 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: anybody else that you kind of want to work with 491 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: on the AW roster? 492 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 4: Well, you know, we talked about we talked about Cody 493 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 4: and the T and T title match, But no, I 494 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of stories to be told. I've 495 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 4: got all the creative energy in the world to put 496 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: towards AW. I think I think I can tell a 497 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: great story with Dustin Rhodes. I think I can tell 498 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 4: a great story with John Mosley, and I think the 499 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: ultimate story that I think we'll culminate one day in 500 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: a very very important hue down the road with me 501 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 4: a MJF. Really yeah, em and I have a little 502 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 4: bit of history in MLW. We also trained together at 503 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: the very beginning of my career at Dayton, Ohio where 504 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: he lived, and uh, yeah, we have. We have a 505 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: lot of little things in common. And I think him 506 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: being you know, the penultimate heel and me being one 507 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 4: of the truest, righteous, most, you know, pure baby faces 508 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 4: in the business today. I think it makes for an 509 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: awesome pairing. I think it makes up for a world championship. Parent. 510 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of intrigued by this. 511 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 3: So is this is this kind of like you calling 512 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 3: your shot, your babe, Ruth. You're pointing out that you 513 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: want MJF. 514 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, And I don't want them, you know, 515 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 4: I don't. I'm not saying I want this to happen tomorrow. 516 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 4: I'm not saying I want this happened in a few weeks. 517 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, at the at the final you know, 518 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 4: transcendence of my career. If I'm remembered for one thing, 519 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be with this feud of Max. 520 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: I think that's that's kind of a prophecy that I'm 521 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: putting out in the world. You know. 522 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: Man, I'm getting like goosebumps thinking about how awesome this 523 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: match is going to be, and I'm kind of picturing 524 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 3: it in my head. 525 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: So we're putting this out in the universe. 526 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: Flying Brian Pillman Jr. MJF. We we've got to have 527 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: this match soon. And you kind of talk about your 528 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: contract with MLW and want, you know, waiting for the 529 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: release and stuff and you know, getting from things. If 530 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 3: you can have like a blank contract and could go 531 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: anywhere do anything, you know, what would you say is 532 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: your biggest goal you want to accomplish in pro wrestling 533 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: when it's all said and done. 534 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 4: Well, I definitely want to make a million dollars. 535 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: Of course, I think everybody wants that million dollars right there. 536 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 4: But but no, I mean you can't. You can't worry 537 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: too much about the money when you're getting started, when 538 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: you're young and it's really all about you know, paying 539 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 4: your dues and get things done. But at the same time, 540 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 4: I think looking at the ultimate you know, what's the 541 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 4: ultimate you know, cause and what's the ultimate achievement. And 542 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 4: I look at a guy like christ Jerico and I 543 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: just think, gosh, you know what a rock star he 544 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 4: is to you know, have this have this whole wrestling 545 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 4: company behind him that he helped build up and create 546 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: while also touring and being in a band and being 547 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: a rock star. I mean, he truly is the ultimate 548 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: rule long for me, I've looked up to him ever 549 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 4: since I started training. You know, I trained with his 550 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 4: best friend, Lance Storm, you know, and and my dad 551 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: spent a lot of time with Calgary, you know, so 552 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: and I know they cross paths, you know, very few times. 553 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: But but Chris Jericho had some very very nice things 554 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: to say about my dad. So I've always had a 555 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 4: pretty good relationship with him, and I really really truly 556 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: looked up to him as the ultimate superstar. 557 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we all have talked about how Jericho will 558 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: possibly we'll go down as possibly one of the goats 559 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: of wrestling when it's all said and done. 560 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah. 561 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: So this is this is something that I kind of 562 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: want to know because we kind of talked about the 563 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: mullet in the beginning of the show. 564 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: How did that come about? 565 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: And I talked about this. I talked about people a lot, 566 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 4: so it actually started in training. Lance Storm was talking 567 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 4: about them all and how they're a functional decision because 568 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 4: they keep the hair out of your face. And I had, 569 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: really I had some pretty long hair growing out at 570 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: the time in his class, and I was always wearing 571 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: a headband and I was always flipping it out of 572 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: my face, flipping it out, you know, doing I guess 573 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 4: what they call it, the seth rollings where you can 574 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: do the hair flip and you throw your hair out 575 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: of your face. And I thought, why am I doing this? 576 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 4: Why am I wasting so many seconds and so much 577 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 4: breath the time of my match flipping my hair back, 578 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's exhausting. I thought, well, 579 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a functional decision, and whether people like 580 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 4: it or not, I'm going to rock a mullet, you know, 581 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to bring it back from the eighties and 582 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: then me and that this is pro wrestling, and it's 583 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: not only it's a functional decision, but I also made 584 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: it a fashionable one. And I got a really good 585 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: head of hair for it. I got some pretty good genetics, 586 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 4: so it ended up being one of the best decisions 587 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: I ever made. 588 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: But the best mullet in the game's got to be yours, right, 589 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, I. 590 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: Can't argue that I didn't say it. You said it. 591 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: I will be on record saying that Brian Pilman Jingion 592 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: has the best mullet, the best hair in all of wrestling. 593 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not going to say it, but you know 594 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: it's been said. 595 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and say it. So let's let's kind 596 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: of do this. Where's where can people keep up with 597 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: you online? Like your what's the best way to you know, 598 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: find you on social media? 599 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna find me on on Twitter at Flying 600 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 4: Brian Junior and Instagram at Flying Brian forty one. I 601 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: don't do Facebook show, I don't do TikTok, So all 602 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: you gotta worry about Twitter and Instagram. 603 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: And uh, you've got some merch. Let's let's talk about 604 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: the merch. Where where can people support you at? 605 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, for Wrestling Teas dot com. Don't forget. I 606 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 4: got a brand new T shirt out. It's called shots Fire. 607 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 4: It's the white shirt with the pink it just looks 608 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 4: just like my gear, my new gear that I debuted 609 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: on aw So, get you, get you a nice shummer, 610 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: gets you a nice summer shirt, and uh yeah, enjoy yourself. 611 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 4: I might actually have some new micro brawlers coming out 612 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: as well. 613 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: How awesome is it to find out that you got 614 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: a micro baller brawler when they told you, hey, we're 615 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: making you one like the I have a collection sitting 616 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: here on my desk and I'm still waiting on my 617 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: Brian Pillman Junior micro Baller to come out. Hell yeah, 618 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 3: so how how how was that like when they told 619 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: you that that's what they're They're gonna make you into one. 620 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 4: Oh I thought that was super cool. So so are 621 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 4: you talking about the one I already have? 622 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 623 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 4: Oh so that was made by a different company called 624 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: Pro Wrestling Loot and I met them at a con 625 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: and they said, yeah, we're gonna do these. They're just 626 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: like the micro bowlers, but it's our version of them. 627 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 4: We'll pay you and we'll send you a huge inventory 628 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 4: of them. And I just thought that was super super 629 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: cool because it ended up coming out really good. It 630 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: looked really nice, and I sold a bunch of them 631 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 4: on my phone online through you know, dms and stuff, 632 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: and then eventually Ryan reached out for Resting Teas. He said, hey, 633 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 4: let me help you sell those. I'll get rid of them, 634 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: and I'll get rid of them real quick, he said 635 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 4: the little did I realize real quick meant like three hours? 636 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 4: And I kid you not. He sold like forty one 637 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 4: of these micro bowlers in like three hours. Geez, like 638 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 4: it was insane. Have you just paid for him? Straight up? 639 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 4: Like he didn't even take a time of him. So 640 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. 641 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome. Have they kind of sent you the 642 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: designs of what the new ones are gonna look like yet? 643 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: Or how how's that going? 644 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 4: Oh? I told her, Well, we did the T shirt. 645 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 4: I said that to make the new one based on 646 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: this set of year, so he knows like which set 647 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 4: of year and what color machine. But no, I haven't 648 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 4: seen the new design yet. They're going to be a 649 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: limited release, one hundred units only. 650 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: So oh, then I'm gonna have to be Refreshingpro Wrestling 651 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: Teas dot Com daily to make sure when I find 652 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: these out. 653 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you'll you'll be one of the first know. 654 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Brian Bilman junr Is 655 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: our guests on the show. 656 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: I really do appreciate you swinging by and hanging out 657 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: and we, like I said, we're big fans of you. 658 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty is gonna be a big year, and I'm 659 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and say this on record that by 660 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: the end of this year you will have a contract 661 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: with AW. 662 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that out in the universe. 663 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: They that that thought out there, put it out in 664 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 4: the universe again. Maybe MLW runs in October, maybe they 665 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: run December, November. I'm not sure. I haven't I haven't 666 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 4: been given too much insight as to what's going on. 667 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: But you know, maybe maybe we get back to work 668 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: and we run some successful shows there. But if I 669 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 4: had it my way, you know, obviously I would like 670 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 4: to chase this opportunity at AW continue my career there. 671 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: So thank you guys. 672 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: Is there anything before we let you go? 673 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: Is there anything you want to tell all the listeners 674 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: before we hop off this this show? 675 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: Thank you guys for supporting my journey again. This is 676 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 4: this is this is my story. This is very real, 677 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 4: very important to me. I don't have a gimmick, I 678 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: don't have a funny you know other World League gimmick. 679 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: To me, I'm just Brian filming when I wake up. 680 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 4: I'm Brian filming when I go to the grocery store 681 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: and at the gym, and my Drid's license is Brian filming. 682 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 4: So all I can do is is try to live 683 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 4: to the highest excellent standard that I can and make 684 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: my father proud. Thank you, guys. Man. 685 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: Like I said, it's an honor to have you on 686 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: the show. 687 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being on the show, and 688 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 3: we can't wait to get you back on once you 689 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 3: either get that FTW or TNT title. 690 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 4: Awesome. Appreciate you. 691 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 6: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 692 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 6: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 693 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 6: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 694 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 6: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram.