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Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: If you're a fan of the show, you know we've

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Speaker 3: Aaron's had so many incredible projects, from my favorite which

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite things to do.

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Speaker 3: And today. Josh Molina has been described as Sorkin's good

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Speaker 3: You may know Josh from his incredible stage work on

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Speaker 3: to welcome Josh Molina to the pod. Welcome to Off

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: This is so fun because we've had Bradley on, We've

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Speaker 3: But that's what people wanted, and I think they still do.

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Speaker 3: Yes, same, Gershwin doesn't make me sad. To Vorgac doesn't

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm looking at for.

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Speaker 1: I've reached the point where I could use it enough

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Speaker 1: Sure when we wanted argued that you needed the money

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Speaker 4: Pay it back, pay it back, pay it backward.

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Speaker 3: The trash talk on Celebrity Jeopardy isn't great, folks, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Sadly well, and you, I.

445
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Speaker 3: Mean you went to some tony schools. It's okay, I

446
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 3: did too, Horseman, Yale, No big deal, right.

447
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 2: Again, A good test.

448
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know what you mean.

449
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Speaker 2: On my way into you have private high school and Yale, I.

450
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Speaker 4: Don't alated maculated.

451
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I got through it.

452
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 1: But as my my my aunt Jean or my great

453
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Speaker 1: aunt Jane, really makes you rest in peace. As she

454
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Speaker 1: said at my graduation from Yale, looking through the program,

455
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Speaker 1: you didn't get no honors.

456
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Speaker 3: You didn't get no honors.

457
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, that is correct, And Jean, I

458
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't get no honors, didn't get I don't need to

459
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: get no honors and actors.

460
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use my brain. I'm going to act.

461
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Speaker 3: I will have you know. The Spizwinks just came to

462
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 3: my town and did a concert, and my fifth grader

463
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: got to get on stage and sing with them, which

464
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 3: is really fun.

465
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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe the nation's first male a cappella college group.

466
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Speaker 1: Uh in another place, I didn't really belong. I was

467
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: there more for the funny intros and the singing close harmony.

468
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Speaker 1: But my cousin Joel, friend of Aaron's from Scarsdale, was

469
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Speaker 1: to ahead of me at Yale and he's an incredible singer.

470
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Speaker 1: And so that's how I mooched my way into the

471
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Speaker 1: singing group and had the time of my life. And

472
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Speaker 1: do you know the actor Noah Emerick, Yes, it was

473
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Speaker 1: also he's one of my best friends. He was a

474
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Speaker 1: year ahead of me, and that's where we really became friends.

475
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Speaker 3: Well, we have a little beef because I went to Cornell.

476
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Speaker 2: Oh, and I did my parents and my daughter. No, yes,

477
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Speaker 2: I did not know that.

478
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Speaker 1: And Joel, the aforementioned Joel until very recently was a

479
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Speaker 1: vice president at Cornell.

480
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Speaker 2: So Cornell is very near and dear to my family.

481
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Speaker 2: It's where my parents met. I've been there many.

482
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Speaker 3: Clock tower right here, love it, love it well. So then,

483
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Speaker 3: as you know, a cappella was very big at Cornell. Sure,

484
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Speaker 3: my friend Mickey Rabkin, whom I worked with, at the

485
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Speaker 3: college newspaper Jewish.

486
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Speaker 2: Yep wrote the book Sorry, sorry it became that's how

487
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Speaker 2: I wrong.

488
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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah we can name them. We can.

489
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Speaker 3: We can point it out every time a jew is named. Absolutely,

490
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Speaker 3: no problem.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

492
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Speaker 3: He and I worked together on the college newspaper, and

493
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Speaker 3: then he wrote the book that became Pitch Perfect, based

494
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Speaker 3: on Cornell Acapella.

495
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Speaker 2: How cool. My dad was editor of the Sun. Stop

496
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Speaker 2: you look at the crossover? Was he was?

497
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Speaker 3: He Molina?

498
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Speaker 2: He was Molina, he remains Molina Robert.

499
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Speaker 4: I worked at the Sun. That's where I got my

500
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Speaker 4: journalism start.

501
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: How wild.

502
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Speaker 3: Well, I love anyone that loves Cornell. I don't know

503
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Speaker 3: if you love it, but you have a connection.

504
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Speaker 2: I I absolutely do love it.

505
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Speaker 3: Did your daughter love it?

506
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Speaker 1: She did, and she, unlike me, she got all sorts

507
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Speaker 1: of honors. Phi Beta Kappa actually is a funny thing

508
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Speaker 1: to do. She was Phi Beta Kappa and at one

509
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Speaker 1: point she she wrote me an email or she texted

510
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Speaker 1: me like I got something, but it's seventy five dollars.

511
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Speaker 3: That was like, do it.

512
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Speaker 2: That's a huge that's a big honors. I hadn't even

513
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Speaker 2: heard of it. She was like, oh, I was not

514
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Speaker 2: going down like do it?

515
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh I love it.

516
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: When was also Kapa, She's what did she study? She

517
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Speaker 1: was an art history major and then she got her

518
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Speaker 1: master's in Visual Arts administration from n YU. I'm very

519
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Speaker 1: proud of her and she works well.

520
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Speaker 3: I won't say, Josh Malina, Okay, I got an art

521
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Speaker 3: history degree at Cornell.

522
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Speaker 2: You did?

523
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Speaker 3: Then I got a graduate degree at n y U.

524
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Speaker 2: No, wow, mine was?

525
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Speaker 3: I got a master's in religious studies.

526
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Speaker 2: That's maybe you're my long lost daughter, like same trajectory.

527
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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

528
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean at least we had we had the

529
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Speaker 3: same educational environmental experience, which maybe we're a lot alike.

530
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Speaker 3: We saw it the same sounds like that kind of place.

531
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Speaker 4: Okay.

532
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Speaker 3: I love that. When you you graduate Yale, you go

533
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Speaker 3: do a few good men. Were you really hoping to

534
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Speaker 3: do theater more than TV and fil one hundred percent?

535
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Speaker 1: That was just what I knew from being a kid

536
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Speaker 1: in camp and school and college and part of the

537
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: College Light Opera Company when I was in during one

538
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: summer summer stocks.

539
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: That's all what love. It's what I love to do.

540
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: And I thought my.

541
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Speaker 1: Theatrical career had begun with a bang, being on Broadway

542
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: because I grew up dreaming of being on Broadway. My

543
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: dad did a little Broadway producing, produced two shows. His

544
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: best friend, Manny Aisenberg, is a giant Neil Simon's producer,

545
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: and just a show after show after show, and he

546
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: would man, he would invite us all opening nights. So

547
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Speaker 1: I grew up with just like the glitz and glamor

548
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: and excitement, and I loved theater. Then I did a

549
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Few Good Men and I couldn't get a second job.

550
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I need another friend who wrote

551
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a play. I was like, oh, yeah, I really didn't

552
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: earn this and I don't have any kind of.

553
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: Name or reputation. And I tried, and I gave up.

554
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: I think a little bit sooner.

555
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I regret not sticking it out in New York

556
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Speaker 1: and trying to make more of a name in theater.

557
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Speaker 1: But you know, a Few Good Men was like twenty

558
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: young actors. There's one female role and the rest of

559
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: just young guys playing marines. And everybody I feel like

560
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: had moved to LA and they were all saying, the

561
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: work's out here, come out here. And so I gave

562
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: up and moved in ninety two and started working again,

563
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Speaker 1: largely thanks to Aaron, who gave me small roles in

564
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Speaker 1: movies and then eventually big roles on TV. And so

565
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Speaker 1: I started to work and earn and next thing I knew,

566
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: I'd blinked them, like thirty years had passed and I

567
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: hadn't done any When I first moved to LA, I

568
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: did a lot of theater in very small, you know,

569
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Speaker 1: ninety nine.

570
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Speaker 2: Seat theaters for twenty five dollars a week and stuff

571
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Speaker 2: like that. I enjoyed it and loved it.

572
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Speaker 1: But then decades passed and I became one of those

573
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Speaker 1: people who was like, oh, I don't even know if

574
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Speaker 1: I can do theater anymore. Like I've I've trained myself

575
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: to learn dialogue for one day, like the idea of

576
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: knowing the same dialogue two days later sounds impossible, right,

577
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: And only recently in my old age, I've gotten back

578
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: to theater and I'm like, oh, yes.

579
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Speaker 2: This is what I love. Yeah.

580
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: Is LA theater different, different than New York and London theater?

581
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: Yes, although I feel like I don't know enough about

582
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: New I mean, I've now participated a little bit from

583
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: the last few years in New York and London.

584
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: But do I really know the theater scenes there. I

585
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: don't know that I do. There is a lot of

586
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: theater and good theater in la Actually, you just have

587
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: to find it and be willing to drive to it,

588
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: which is hard sometimes to convince people to do.

589
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: Yes. I read that you worked as a PA on

590
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: Fletch Lives.

591
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: That is true.

592
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: Again, here's this my entire to the excent that I've

593
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: had any success. It's all connections. So I think that's

594
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: the moral of my story. My dad's partner, Bruce Badner

595
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: was it maybe still is, Chevy Chase's manager, and he's like,

596
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, I know, you want to be an actor.

597
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: You had to get some experience on set. Do you

598
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: want to be a PA production system? I was like absolutely,

599
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: And so they were doing Fletch Lives, the sequel, they

600
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: hired me. I made coffee, I made copies. I was

601
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: the guy at This always blew my mind. This is

602
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: the old days when they actually shot films on film,

603
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: and you'd have to get the dailies, you'd have to

604
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: get the film process developed, whatever it is, and they

605
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: would be shot in Queen's and at the end of

606
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: the day they would give me whatever. I was twenty

607
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: two year old, no nothing the film to drive to

608
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: Newark Airport to send Los Angeles to be processed. That

609
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: I was like, don't lose today's don't lose the film.

610
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: And I remember I was constantly getting tickets because I

611
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: had to park illegally.

612
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: And run in and ship the Yes, so that's what

613
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: I did every day.

614
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: And then I think I also early mornings picked up

615
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: the director in DP and drove them to the set.

616
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: But that was mysiance, I'm sure. Yeah, great, Chevy's been

617
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: in the news lately with the doc. What did you

618
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: get to work with him?

619
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: He was incredibly nice to me. Okay, all I can say.

620
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: Yes, And years later when I would be a producer

621
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: on Celebrity Poker Showdown, Yes, he played on the show

622
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: and it was fun to see him again and he

623
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: was It was nice then as well. But yeah, it

624
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: was fun to watch him work.

625
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 3: Oh I bet. I mean in so many ways, he's

626
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: a genius, just a natural natural talent.

627
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a complicated guy, complicated.

628
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: Right, all the caveats.

629
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 3: American President. It's such a great role for you and

630
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: I just I love love that movie so much. What

631
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: did that feel like doing a film for for Aaron

632
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: very exciting.

633
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I had previously worked for Aaron and Rob Ryner. May

634
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: he rest in peace on a few good men. So

635
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: that was a day or two of work. Yes, Rob

636
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: was incredibly nice and incredibly encouraging to me, and I

637
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: was delighted that they offered me or he really offered

638
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: me this role in The American President.

639
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: It was bigger.

640
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: I got to do more, I got to work with

641
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: a Bending. It was a It was an amazing experience,

642
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: and I love the movie. I just thought it was

643
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: so sweet and romantic and fun and funny.

644
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: What do you got a big date later?

645
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, I'm having lunch at the Kremlin. That was

646
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: like my own I got.

647
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: I got a line in the trailer, I'm having to

648
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: lunch at Kremlin so I'll be little. It was like, Wow,

649
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: my own line line.

650
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Okay, talk about Sports Night.

651
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: That show has become a cult favorite, and I always

652
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: thought it deserved a bigger audience. Talk about that on

653
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: that show.

654
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: We would, ultimately, I think, after the first season be

655
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: chosen by TV Guide as the best show You're not watching.

656
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: I remember even then thinking I want to be on

657
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: the worst show that people are watching as much as

658
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: much as I'm enjoying this experience. If you flip it,

659
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I'd rather do that. Yeah, but no, it was a

660
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: great experience. It was my first I came to LA

661
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: ninety two, and though I did get work and did

662
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: various things, it wasn't until ninety nine and Sports Night

663
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: and my friend and Aaron's show that I actually finally

664
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: booked a pilot. And I initially read for multiple times

665
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: the role of Dan roy Dell that Josh Charles ultimately played.

666
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: It was an interesting process.

667
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Reading.

668
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: There were a lot of mixing and matching and actors

669
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: and chemistry and this and that. I read with all

670
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: sorts of people and multiple times, and I really thought

671
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: I had a very good chance and I desperately wanted

672
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: the role. And then I did what I usually do

673
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: when I'm waiting to hear about something I was. I

674
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: went and played poker at probably the bicycle club at

675
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: the time, playing all day waiting, and I finally got

676
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: a call from Aaron and.

677
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: It was not good news. It was like it's not happening, and.

678
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: I was just devastated. But also I have very thick skin.

679
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you know, I carry on.

680
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: But thanks for the opportunity and blah blah blah.

681
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I didn't forget about it, but I sort of set

682
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: it aside, and how I don't remember a week later.

683
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: A few days later, two weeks.

684
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Later, Aaron called me a sort of tentatively was saying, I,

685
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: did you remember the role of Jeremy. He doesn't have

686
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: much to do in the pilot, but I'm going to

687
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: think about making it, beating it up a little bit

688
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and making him a little older. And I remember just

689
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: saying to Aaron, are you are you asking me if

690
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm interested in playing something else in the Fortnight because

691
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: you can stop the Yes, I would definitely would be

692
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: doing it.

693
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

694
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, well, I think this might work,

695
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: but you will have to read again. I was like,

696
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: that's it, that is fine, And I read for Jamie

697
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Tarsis and I think, guess Stuve Bloomberg, I think, am

698
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: I making the name up? And Felicity Huffman and Sabrina Lloyd,

699
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: who had already been cast, were kind enough to read

700
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: with me, which is incredibly really nice of them, and.

701
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: So I just did The scene in Stuart's office seemed

702
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: to go very well.

703
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: They asked me to wait in the Hall and then

704
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Aaron ran out and grabbed me and held me aloft.

705
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I remember from me up there going, if this is

706
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: your way of saying I didn't get it, I'm going

707
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: to be really bad.

708
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, you got it. And so

709
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: that was like a huge, huge, huge moment. That's awesome career.

710
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: And then the.

711
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: Experience itself was fantastic, including getting to work with Robert Gillome,

712
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: whom I had seen on Broadway in nineteen seventy six

713
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: when I was ten years old, and the all black

714
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: version of Guys and Dolls who played Nathan Detroit role,

715
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: a role that I would play in three different school productions,

716
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: and I remember being a ten year old and being

717
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: like that guy.

718
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: I want to be that guy his time. He was

719
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: so brilliant and so funny.

720
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: And then I became a fan of his own soap,

721
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: and then Benson and then all of a sudden, yeah,

722
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: like I'm actually working with this guy every day and

723
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: he couldn't have been anner And that was a that

724
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: was an early amazing experience, like go, yeah, this is

725
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people.

726
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: That's so cool. Do you think Sports Night would work

727
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: as a as a reboot? Right now.

728
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. I think I reboot, not including

729
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: any of us. Maybe I don't know. Like here they are,

730
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: they're now very old and they work in the same place.

731
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

732
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they'd become executives.

733
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: Perhaps, So I don't.

734
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Want to pooh pooh possibility rebooting anything that I've been in,

735
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it might work better than

736
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: it did originally because although it sounds like a cliche,

737
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: I think it truly was ahead of its time. You know,

738
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: it was handheld you know, comedy drama, half hour. People

739
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: didn't really know what to make of it, you know,

740
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: things like things like The Office and any number of

741
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: shows that sort of had a similar kind of feel

742
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: would come later and become giant successes. And so I

743
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: think I think it probably there was some miss marketing

744
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: of it and that it really wasn't about sports or

745
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Aaron made you care about sports even if you didn't

746
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: find about sports. So I think maybe maybe a title

747
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: change would have help. But I also think it just

748
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: sort of I think people didn't quite know what.

749
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: To make with it.

750
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like I said, now it's become a total

751
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: cult classic. People love it.

752
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, although it doesn't stream anywhere that I'm aware of.

753
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: I think you can buy it maybe on Amazon, episode

754
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: by episode, but I can't believe it hasn't just run

755
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: on Netflix. I think it may have something to do

756
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: with music rights. There was a lot of cool music

757
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: in it. I think maybe, I think, I feel like

758
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: I've heard that explanation.

759
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, but always asked me, like, why hasn't

760
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: it ever streamed anywhere?

761
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: I would definitely be into a revamped Sports Night. I

762
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: would too, Okay, let's manifest it.

763
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: I would even be happy with the revamped Scandal.

764
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: And even though I'm dead, sure, sure, oh yeah, you're dead.

765
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm preparing. Yeah, I'm preparing. I mean spoiler alert, sorry,

766
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: but watch it. I'm preparing for the moment when I

767
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: wake up and I see that they're doing Scandal again,

768
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: and I have to try to convince Shonda Rhymes yes,

769
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: that David should be back.

770
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: From the dead.

771
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: I don't really die. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's been done.

772
00:34:53,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: We can resurrect. Could happen, It could happen. Okay, So

773
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: amidst all of this great work, you get great work,

774
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: you're in great projects, you get married and start a family.

775
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: That is true Yep.

776
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: What kind of dad were you when your kids were young?

777
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: Uh, you really have to ask them for the definitive answer.

778
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: I think a very good one.

779
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely was the light in life and

780
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: focus of my being being a dad, Like sure, for sure. Uh,

781
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: career came second. Yeah, not that he didn't ambitiously pursue

782
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: a career, but it mattered a lot less to me

783
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: than my family and my kids wanted to be home. Yeah,

784
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is I I was out of

785
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: work a lot.

786
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: I mean, my career.

787
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Working sound really good, but yeah, I mean it's it's

788
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: been a roller coaster. And the upside to long periods

789
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: of being out of work is like you just be

790
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: the dad who drives the kids to school and picks

791
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: them up, and you know, volunteers at school, and so

792
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I was like around, I chaperone school trips and stuff

793
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: like that. And then even when I was working, I

794
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: was often on ensemble shows where I wasn't shooting all

795
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: day every day.

796
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: So I feel like I got the best of both words.

797
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: Sounds like the best of both worlds.

798
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel very lucky.

799
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: And I was you know, you know, soccer dad and

800
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: all that I miss that I'm really bereft as an

801
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: empty nester.

802
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: I miss having my kids around all the time.

803
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: And something I just saw some deeply depressing reel on

804
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: Instagram that said, after your kids are eighteen, on average,

805
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: you get a year more hanging out with them for the.

806
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Rest of your life. What when if you added if

807
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: you aggrevate, I know, I was like, wait what no?

808
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, well I got you have grandkids to.

809
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: Look forward to.

810
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: Perhaps so maybe my daughter has made it quite clear,

811
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: not from her.

812
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh the Cornelion.

813
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: Yes, she is the Cornelian.

814
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: And but this is how I know.

815
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: This is That's how I know to take seriously the

816
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: stuff she says, because when she was little, when you

817
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: would ask her about college, she would say, I don't know,

818
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: it's such a weird criterion. But she would say, I

819
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: just want to go some places where there's no direct flight,

820
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: which yeah, I was like, I will take two flights

821
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: to visit you, and she's like, yeah, but probably less frequently.

822
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: Whatever it was that was her thing, and she did it.

823
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: Oh success right now Cornell found like.

824
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: Well you manage it. And she's always been saying too,

825
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: like I enjoy kids, but I'm not interested in having

826
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: any of my own. And I believe her, but perhaps

827
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: my son.

828
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: Listen, I said the same thing. Is she in her twenties?

829
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: She is twenty eight? Yeah, I said to something, Well,

830
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: you never know.

831
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a kid until a thirty.

832
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: Five, like fair enough.

833
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 3: And I hadn't met the right guy. That's why I

834
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: couldn't envision a life with kids. It just hadn't met

835
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: the right person. I was very focused on my career.

836
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: I worked my ass off in my twenties and thirties,

837
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: and it just wasn't a priority. And I couldn't envision

838
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: it until I did. And now I could never live

839
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: any differently.

840
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I figure with AI, the world's got three four years

841
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: left anyhow, So I'm not I'm not focusing on grandchildren.

842
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: If it happens, great, Yeah, it happens, great. We can

843
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: all go together.

844
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny?

845
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: I have a question. My next question, are you worried

846
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: about AI?

847
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm worried about everything, including AI.

848
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Okay, you're speaking my love language. I'm worried about everything.

849
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: What keeps you up at night, Josh Molina, I mean everything.

850
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Every I'm always amazed when people say, uh, no regrets

851
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: don't regret a thing like, really, what.

852
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: What must that?

853
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: How light and cheery and wonderful? Your life must be great,

854
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: sleep you must so stuff like that. But yeah, I

855
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: would say these days, the current administration.

856
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: Always keeps me up.

857
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: And yet every morning I roll over and I do

858
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: exactly what they tell you not to do. It just

859
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: immediately look at my phone and start doom scrolling and

860
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: looking for.

861
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: The outrage of the day AI.

862
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: I was just talking to my parents today as I

863
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: drove them to the airport. I was about being concerned

864
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: about AI affecting acting in my job. But the truth is,

865
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm more deeply concerned that it's going to affect my

866
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: life because there's another.

867
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: AI outrageous thing every day.

868
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Like day, you know, when we order Anthropic to turn

869
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: itself off, it threatens to blackmail the person whose email

870
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: it's read and those it's having a Just it doesn't

871
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: sound good, it.

872
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: Doesn't, It doesn't doesn't feel like it feels like wargames.

873
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: It feels like we're living in war games.

874
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all these yes, all these films and this

875
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: topic novels and whatnot that.

876
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: I read and loved. I had no idea that they

877
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: were essentially going to come true.

878
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: Can I tell you the craziest thing.

879
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: I just took my kid to see the new animated

880
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: movie Hoppers.

881
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: I've been seeing the billboards.

882
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, it's great.

883
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: The billboards are entertaining. Is it as good as everyone says?

884
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: It's good? It's good.

885
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: Pixar's funny at film shouts no.

886
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 4: It's definitely not, but it's good. It's good.

887
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: As a parent who has to sit through it, it's

888
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: good enough. There was a preview. I don't know if

889
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: you've seen this. There is an animated animal farm.

890
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: You're kidding me?

891
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: One of the most serious, searing, prescient warnings.

892
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: And you don't think that'll be the tone of the film.

893
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, it's gonna be like Utopia three. Yeah, hijinks.

894
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: It was like Rio, like, what the fuck are we doing?

895
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: And I couldn't get my I couldn't wrap my head

896
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: around it. I'm like, am I supposed to think, oh good? Good?

897
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: Kids are gonna learn about? About? Or yeah, an animal farm?

898
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: Or or or should I think this is truly the end?

899
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: The end of times? The end of times?

900
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: That were like a cartoon version of I'll.

901
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Do an animated version of Lord of the Flies, and

902
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: it will be a lot of funny flies with different personalities.

903
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: They are making a new Lord of Flies.

904
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: That's not Oh that is true, actually, I think, but

905
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that's live action, like and I hope what we're hoping for.

906
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: I hope not to I hope not funny.

907
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: I don't need like the comedic version of like Shindler's

908
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: List or like come on guys, come on. Yeah, is

909
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: serious and it's happening now.

910
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of movie billboards, I just want

911
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: to tell this story because I've made my daughter out

912
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: to be so accomplished and smart. There was also there

913
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: was some movie I mentioned Herry, like I want to

914
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: see that. She goes, oh, you better get on, you

915
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: better you know, go next Tuesday. And I was like why,

916
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: She said, well, I just saw billboard. It said only

917
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: in theaters February third. I was like, one day that

918
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean. That means it's only in theaters and

919
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: it opens on February, right, it's going to be.

920
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: There one day.

921
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: That's yeah. She's like, you better go on Tuesday. I

922
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: was like, that's my five aya.

923
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: Kappa perfect listen, they don't teach us every.

924
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: We laughed so hard exactly.

925
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: They don't teaches everything right, Okay, I love that. Okay, So,

926
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: knowing that a lot of things keep you up at

927
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: night and you also have a lot of anxiety, as

928
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: do I, what do you do to protect your mental health?

929
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean not enough, is the bottom line. I do things,

930
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: I like, things that distract me. And I was this

931
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: way since I was a little kid. Like I don't

932
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: love being alone with my own thoughts, so which probably

933
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, being alone with your own thoughts is important,

934
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: and figuring out how to do it without losing your mind, yeah,

935
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: is probably the thing to pursue.

936
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: Instead, I am constantly looking to distract myself.

937
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just avoid it.

938
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I read a lot, I play poker, I play

939
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: pickle ball.

940
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: I do things that take me out of my own mind,

941
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: which I think is not as helpful an approach as

942
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: figuring out how to be okay with being quiet and

943
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: alone with your own thoughts. I think that's the person.

944
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: It does seem like a lot of work when you

945
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: could just go play poker.

946
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: Let me tell you. For you know, forty years I

947
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: compartmentalized and just didn't deal with the compartmentalizer. Pushed through,

948
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: push through, pushed through. I'll deal with this some other

949
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: times some other times. And then I had a nervous

950
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: brick down. And you know, therapy has helped, medication has helped.

951
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm writing a book on mental health, which has helped.

952
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: But like and talking about mental health helps. But but

953
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: there's no like getting around. Well for me, I'm getting around.

954
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: And I do have a therapist, so I do those

955
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: things too. This is actually funny, dude.

956
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: This was a probably be mad at me for telling

957
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: me this story, but I remember a I'm very close

958
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: to my parents. I'm blessed that they're both still around

959
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: and doing well and healthy and thank god. And during

960
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I started to feel particularly depressed. I did

961
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: get help. I started taking meds, and I used to

962
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: go to my parents and stand outside. You know, this

963
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: is when I was, you know, disinfecting the outsides of

964
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: bananas boarding and like just don't know what we were doing.

965
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I can't get anywhere near

966
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: my parents. I used to go visit them and they

967
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: would stand in the doorway and I would stand whatever

968
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: sixty six feet away and we'd yell at each other.

969
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: Through masks, and which incidentally was not very different from

970
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: like before the pandemic right, also true, that.

971
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Is true in a Jewish family, But I was this

972
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: is when I realized that I've always felt very, very

973
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: close with my parents, and that my emotional needs, which

974
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: I now realize are very small, always were met by them.

975
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: Yes, because my dad is not doesn't like to.

976
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: Talk about feelings or things very interesting guys loves to talk,

977
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: and we'd love to talk about all sorts of things.

978
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize how uncomfortable he is with his

979
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: own feelings, and so I was I was reminding him

980
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: of this story, like when I sat or stood six

981
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: feet away from you and yelled, throwing a mask, I'm

982
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: taking andy to presence. Your response was like, oh, it's

983
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be warm tomorrow. I was like, I was like, Dad,

984
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: you had no follow up question like are they helping?

985
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Why are you taking them?

986
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: Whatever?

987
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: And when I recounted the story to him, he said

988
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: that cannot possibly be true. That's not how I'm sure.

989
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: That's not how I responded, I don't, I do not

990
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: accept that. I'm absolutely comfortable. And then we got onto

991
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: the next topic topic and I said, Dad, I just

992
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: brought up that you didn't ask me those things, and

993
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: you didn't take the opportunity to ask me those things

994
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: now again.

995
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's like, oh, maybe you're right I did.

996
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't like talking about those things.

997
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: That's so good.

998
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little bit built that way as well.

999
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: I get that. Yeah, I get that.

1000
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: What's a time you felt real self doubt?

1001
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I think I'm a fairly confident person,

1002
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: even though I can realize that I have no reason

1003
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: to be. I think it's it's an overcompensation. I mean,

1004
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: I feel imposter syndrome a lot.

1005
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: You do.

1006
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes, when I did the Tom.

1007
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: Stopper play leopolch Dott on Broadway, Yes, I had a

1008
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of like, I don't know how the fuck I

1009
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: got this job, I don't know what I'm doing here,

1010
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm delighted, this is like a dream come true thing.

1011
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also had this self out of like

1012
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: can I do this right?

1013
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think I frequently have that professionally,

1014
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: and I think there's something I like about overcoming that fear,

1015
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: and it's much much more amplified.

1016
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: You know, I realize now you know, I've done four hundred.

1017
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Episodes of television and it can be challenging and can

1018
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun whatever, but you can screw up.

1019
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: You just do it over and over and over and

1020
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: over and one time it has to be good enough

1021
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: to actually put on DV.

1022
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when I do theater.

1023
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm always I remembered that feeling of why

1024
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: did I say yes to this? Why I could have

1025
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: just I could why I could be doing anything O

1026
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: that I could be at home playing poker or watching television.

1027
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Why did I say yes? But I do get a

1028
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: dopamine hit from like walking out there and being.

1029
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: Like, well, here we go.

1030
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: Sure.

1031
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I do feel selfed out, but I like,

1032
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: I like I guess I like it. I gets something

1033
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: out of it.

1034
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: But as you moved through the weeks on laolporch Dot,

1035
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: did you get more confident?

1036
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 4: Did that self doubt go away?

1037
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I don't know if it ever went away.

1038
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: I still have moments I think when I'm doing I

1039
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: think I did one hundred and thirty nine, one hundred

1040
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: and forty performances.

1041
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: So it was a good run.

1042
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there still was a moment.

1043
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Before every performance were like, oh my, you know the

1044
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: fact that I've done it for six weeks.

1045
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: Now the audience doesn't care that I've done it for

1046
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: six weeks, like I do it well again, like it's right.

1047
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: So there is always a little bit of that fire

1048
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: in the belly, like for sure you get more, you know.

1049
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I remember the first few, the first few performances of

1050
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: any play I do. I always feel like I'm surviving.

1051
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm just proving to myself, you know you can survive it,

1052
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously I'm trying to give a good performance.

1053
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: But I you know, if I I have friends, I'm

1054
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: always like, don't come in previews or don't come again,

1055
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: like give me a little and to my horror, the

1056
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: slash now that I've gotten through it, delight. Tom Stopbert

1057
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: came to my first performance I was.

1058
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: I was.

1059
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: I replaced David Crumbholds, who did the role originally, and

1060
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: so as a replacement, you don't have any previous also

1061
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: previous they are the same as regular performances, because it's

1062
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: just an audience that is there that expects me to

1063
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: be good. But I remember thinking, I can't believe one

1064
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite play rights, maybe my favorite playwright ever

1065
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: is going to see me in his play.

1066
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: I was like, why didn't you guys tell me afterwards?

1067
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: Why would you tell me before then? And I don't

1068
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: remember what the question is.

1069
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, So over time, I don't think I've ever done

1070
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: a play where I thought, like, you know what, it

1071
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: was my best performance the first performance. I really I

1072
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: even remember with label shat feeling like the final performance

1073
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: I gave.

1074
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I think I finally really got it.

1075
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: It's a shame. It's a shame that it's over. Oh

1076
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: I like that, but it was an amazing experience.

1077
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 3: I'm sure. Okay, I want to do a lightning round.

1078
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: It's fun. Oh what's something you've not done yet but

1079
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: would like to?

1080
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: Uh, skydiving? Really I'm terrified of heights and will never

1081
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, but this is this is you know

1082
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: I talked about my having self doubt and trying to

1083
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: overcome it.

1084
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1085
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I once sent to my cousin, who is now very

1086
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: accomplished skydiver and helicopter pilot. I remember saying to him,

1087
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: I will take you for your birthday. I'll take you

1088
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: skyd To me, I just said yes, and you know,

1089
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: kind of like with acting, like I'm just gonna say

1090
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: yes and then I'll have to do it, and then

1091
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: as the day approached, I realized, like, there's absolutely no

1092
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: way I can't possibly do this, and did. I chickened

1093
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: out and I let him down. That's one of the

1094
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: few times in my life where I feel like I

1095
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: was scared of something, and it's so scared that I

1096
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: actually didn't do.

1097
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: It, but appropriately scared.

1098
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I think, so, I mean, and then I literally went

1099
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: online and I researched the place and I was like,

1100
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: they've had two deaths over thirty years.

1101
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: Done, I've got I'm a dad. He was like, You're

1102
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Speaker 2: just a coward. I'm like, yes, yep, yes.

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Speaker 3: Believe Okay, yeah, So what was your worst vacation?

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Speaker 1: Worst vacation was a vacation of Puerto Rico with my

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00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: family as a kid. I got horribly sunburned. And this

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00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: seems unlike my family, but I was so sunburned I

1107
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: could barely move. So they like all went out to

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00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: dinner without me and just stuck stuck me in a

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00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: chair and put on the television and The Exorcist was

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00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: on the Spanish and I was in too much pain

1111
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: to get up and turn it off. And I was

1112
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Speaker 1: just traumatized and paralyzed and terrify.

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Speaker 2: I came back and I was like, you do this

1114
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Speaker 2: to me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that sounds like a terrible vacation.

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00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: It was pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's Aaron Storkan's best work, whether you're in it

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Speaker 4: or not.

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00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm going to say the West Way. I think

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Speaker 1: that's where everything. I mean, I'm a fan of everything

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Speaker 1: he's written and done. I feel like everything came together

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00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: most harmonious in the West Way.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 3: What would you tell young actor to do or not

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Speaker 3: to do coming into the industry today, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say, first of all, I have dreams of writing

1127
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: a book for called quit Now and other practical advice

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Speaker 1: for young actors, because I think that is the best

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00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: advice because if you take it, that means, look, you weren't.

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00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: You're not one of those people who absolutely has to

1131
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Speaker 1: do it. If you can think of anything else to do,

1132
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Speaker 1: particularly with AI coming around the corner or here around,

1133
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Speaker 1: do something to do anything else. But if you are

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Speaker 1: absolutely determined to do it, I would say there are

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00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: parallel careers that you can pursue, like consider directing, rite

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00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: create content, to do all those other things, because just

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00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: counting and acting is a fool's errand it's tough.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever work with Barry Sonenfeld? No, we had

1139
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 3: him on You guys are very similar the way really yeah. Yeah,

1140
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: he had a great episode. He was wonderful and yes,

1141
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, seize the world. Similarly, we talked about

1142
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: he survived a plane crash. Okay, is that true? Yeah,

1143
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: like a real plane crash in a very small plane.

1144
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: And you know, I was like, oh, Barry, you know,

1145
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: I know that you're anxious, so am I Did that

1146
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: make you think? Oh good, this can never happen. He's like,

1147
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: an know, haven't you like the Kinahura? No, all we

1148
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: say is don't say never, this will definitely happen again.

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00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. He is similar to me.

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00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, just great life advice, little great, great little

1151
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: pearls of wisdom, like I've heard the non.

1152
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: Jewish responses in the in the world. According to Garth,

1153
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: my memory from the movie and from the book is

1154
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: that they're looking at a house to buy in a

1155
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: plane crashes into the house.

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, we'll take it. Like, what's the odds

1157
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: that's going to happen again? Right now?

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00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: I would be like, I'm not that'll definitely happen. It's

1159
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: a magnet. It's a mag magnet, exactly right, it's a

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Speaker 3: plain magnet. That's how I am too. Okay, what's the

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00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: most romantic city?

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00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: Venice?

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00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Although I've not been there in decades yep. To me,

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00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: it was like I can't believe such a city exists. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: and so go there before it's fully underwater.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: What would your perfect last meal be?

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00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great question. Uh, Gribonius? What Gribonius is

1169
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: essentially Jewish?

1170
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: Poor Kracklands.

1171
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: It's chicken skin, but it's chicken skin, canny pork, chicken

1172
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Speaker 1: skin and onions fried in chicken fat.

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00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: Sounds amazing.

1174
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Actually, do make it?

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00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm actually rest in pieces to make it. And

1176
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: now I do I honor her by making it and

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Speaker 1: consuming it?

1178
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 3: And so would that be the whole meal?

1179
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: I think?

1180
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 3: So? Just why?

1181
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1182
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: Okay, great, this will sound random. But what is the

1183
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 3: best movie about space?

1184
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: The best movie about space? Oh? God, that's a good question.

1185
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: This is why I asked, because it's very controversial.

1186
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: Two thousand and one.

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00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: Great, great, Well, I like my kubrick.

1188
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it in a long time.

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00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Plug from my friend Aaron Neil

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00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: from leopold Stadt. Who's going to be in it? Or

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00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: isn't it Project Hail Marriage. Me too, I'm excited to

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00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: see that.

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00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see that same writer as The Martian,

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00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: which was a great, great movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom is reading the book and she says

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Speaker 1: it's excellent. I was like, you know, the movie is

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Speaker 1: a comedy.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like really maybe in the way that

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Speaker 3: The Martian it's funny.

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00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. What is your favorite space movie?

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00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's Contact, And that's people find that controversial. You know.

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00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: If you're into space movies and I am, you're either

1204
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: into like like The Star Wars, like pretend or very realistic,

1205
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 3: and I'm i want very realistic. I want Apollo thirteen,

1206
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: I want you know, I want like show me what

1207
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Speaker 3: it could be.

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Speaker 2: Where do you stand on Interstellar?

1209
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: Just Solla was a little too complicated?

1210
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: Me too. I thought it was kind of a snooze

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: and my friends are mad at me about it.

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00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: This is why it's controversial, because people will die on

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Speaker 3: the hill that Interstellar is like the best space movie,

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Speaker 3: if not one of the best movies ever.

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: That I know. I hear that a lot.

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00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it went over my head. The things

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: that also really do go over my head. I'm reading

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Speaker 1: a book now called The Order of Time. Actually I

1219
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't say i'm reading it, because I am listening to

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00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: it in somber tones of Benedict cumber Batch are talking

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Speaker 1: me through a science accessible book about time, and it's

1222
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: but it is so incomprehensible to me, like it's supposed

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00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: to be, like it's supposed to be science, I think

1224
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: for dumb people. I'm like, I need science for dumber

1225
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: people because it's a little bit like Benedict number Batch

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00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: just going yeah, it sounds kind of interesting, but I

1227
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: can't understand any of the concepts like time, time passes

1228
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: more quickly at altitude.

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00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't understand it. And I'm like relativity, yes,

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00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: well I think that.

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00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it turns out the relativity goes over my head,

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00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: which maybe I probably could have predicted.

1233
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think. Having gotten no honors,

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00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: this book is not for me.

1235
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: Have you seen Capricorn one?

1236
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: Is that about the movie of these space landing being fake?

1237
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: Yes? With Simon and Josh Yes and Elliot.

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember that.

1239
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: The answer is James Brolin. James Brolin.

1240
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes more sense. Jin would have been quite

1241
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: more perhaps pre birth. Yes, my guess is I saw

1242
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: that as a kid. That would have been writ in

1243
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: the zone for me.

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1245
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: Sure, I love that movie too. I think it's great.

1246
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: That's probably worth a rewatch. It's really maybe I'll do that.

1247
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: It's really funny because today there's so many conspiracy theories,

1248
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: both about moon landing and like everything now that I

1249
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 3: don't know. It kind of feels very relevant today, even

1250
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: though it's very much an eighties.

1251
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Oh I got to see account Yeah, Oh, maybe i'll

1252
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: follow you. I just switched from I mean, I have

1253
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: like seven followers, so it's not really high stakes.

1254
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: But I decided like I'm going.

1255
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: To do that thing where even though I'm an actor,

1256
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be super honest about all the things.

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1259
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: And then I realized I did a musical recently did

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00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: five performances of musical that was a lot of fun. Yes,

1261
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: And we were talking about a movie and I realized

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00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: one of the other cast members was in it, and

1263
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: I had it said this movie is terrible on letter box,

1264
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: and I was like.

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not going to be that guy anymore. I

1266
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: ran back and I was like, yeah. I was like,

1267
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: this is stupid. When when I want to offend people.

1268
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: Like in your business?

1269
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, who are your friends exactly? I can't do this.

1270
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: There's one more question. It's the most important to me.

1271
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: Lightning ran down. But yeah, we're good.

1272
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: We're good. This is the last question, super important to me.

1273
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: I ask it at the end of every podcast. When

1274
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: is it iced coffee season?

1275
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, I would say always, that's the correct answer. Beverage.

1276
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: Oh good, yay. I can't believe I got the final

1277
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: bonus question right. You did?

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: You did because we're right here.

1279
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1280
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 4: Great, Josh Molina, this was so fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1282
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it.

1284
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: I really did.

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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