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So a trade was made with the 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.080 New York Football Giants for Jordan Phillips six for six, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.880 three hundred and forty. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.399 One pounds, A big boy, big man. That's a big man. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.600 So one technique he got Mozzie Smith. By the way, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.920 nobody's giving up on Mozzie Smith. So we can put 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.919 that out there. This isn't a you know, Mazie, you stink. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.200 This is a hey, we need some more reinforcements. We 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.600 need some help, and Carl Davis is gonna be Carl 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:28.959 Davis is going to be going out. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.080 So start right now, church with you thoughts. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.640 Well, like we always talked about, you know, with the carpenter, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.679 he's gonna need his tools, and obviously the tools he 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.000 had in his shit, you know, weren't sharp enough. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.119 So they went out. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.720 There and he Carl Larson, come on in here, Phillips, 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.440 come on in here to if not, if at the 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.000 very worst, provide some depth over there. So to me, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.640 Mike Zimber is saying, the guys in the building that 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.200 he had in there, which are you know, Mizzie Smith, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.480 we long gotta worry about os. I think Osa, you know, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.760 I think he's gonna be an outstanding player, that one, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.640 right one, Yeah, just at the one taken. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.400 We need some more reinforcements in there. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.840 And they went out there and they grabbed a few 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.720 guys that can go in there, and at the very worst, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.040 clog the holes up. And you know, Phillips has been 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.360 proven to be a guy that can hold offensive lineman 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.320 from getting to that second level. When he was in Buffalo, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:16.600 he was able to do that. And you saw what 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.680 Matt Malona was able to do at the linebacker position. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.720 He was one of the best linebackers for a while 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.480 there with the Buffalo Bills before his injury. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.000 So we've seen these guys. They have the capability of 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.160 doing just that, and that's what the Cowboys need. They 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.720 don't need guys that are just you know, Aaron Donald's this, that, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:31.200 and the third. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.560 They need people to do their job and do it 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.240 well consistently, not just you know, a flash in the 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.240 pan here and there. They need their guys to be 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.480 able to sit in the gap, make sure that that 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.519 run ain't coming through this gap and at the very worst, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.840 that offsive lineman doesn't get to the second level. Because 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.880 we got speed everywhere on that second level, we got 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.520 to be able to use that speed. So he bringing 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.880 these guys in. They're consistent at what they do. They're 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.600 not flashy, they're not gonna be wow, pop off the tape, 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.120 but they're gonna do their job. Consistently, and that's what 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.240 Zien brought in here. He brought some more tools in 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.480 here to sharping up what he already has, and hopefully 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:02.680 the carpenter has what he needs. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:02.919 Now. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:08.079 My MIC's not working, guys, so what I'm gonna have 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:13.200 to do. We're good now, I agree. And I think 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.320 we were talking about Zim before and I think you 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.119 even before in the off season, you were talking about 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.480 guys like Linval Joseph and the kind of prototypical guys 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.239 that he Scharie Floyd. Those are the kind of players 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.680 that kept when he starts making his dish, his signature editions. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.480 These are the prototypical. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.120 Guys that he has standing in those a gaps but 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.000 look man like. I used to work a show with 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.120 Mickey Spagnola, and Mickey taught me about these free agent acquisitions, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.720 and I'm telling you it was I'll tell you a 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.080 story about how Clinton dis how excited I was about him. Man, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.400 I was excited. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:53.920 I was like, we got were about to run that. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.880 Mickey looked at Mickey looked at it, didn't even look 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.600 up from his notepad when he said he was like, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.160 he's a bridge player and not even make the team. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.400 You know, And I was like, wait, wait a minute, man, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.560 we need the safety and how was nice back in 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.720 the day, back in the day, And so I was 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.040 claiming back in the day. And so you know, when 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:17.600 you make the feet, when you make the comparison between 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.320 some of those players and you think about what Zimmer wants, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.120 that's when I look at these guys and I say, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.440 especially a guy like Jordan Phillips because of his side, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.080 specifically what he could do on this defense, that's all 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.200 we need him for. That's all we needed. And we 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.880 were talking about that rotational piece behind Manzi because. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:33.440 He's gonna need that. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.039 He's still maturing into the position, and before he gets 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.200 to that point, you need a guy that could come 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.680 in there and spell him. Also, with some of the 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.000 other key pieces that you lost in the off season, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.799 you need a good rotation. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:46.880 Don't get me wrong. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.640 Guys like Chauncey Ghoston is starting to turn it around 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.640 and you start to see him fit into that rotation. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.479 But right now, that one tech you just it's a 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.400 lot of questions around that position, and I think you 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.599 had to get a guy in here like Phil because 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.159 they wave Carl Davis, another big body, a guy that 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.200 kind of fits the same mold of Jordan Phillips. But 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.080 you just need a guy not to get drove off 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.320 the ball. And I just look, before I get excited 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.600 about these pigs, I'm like, look, man, I've seen this 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.000 movie before. It was The dun Terry Poe, Everson Griffith. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.440 I saw that movie, Starry Jerald McCoy. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.000 Yo. We need we need help up front. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.800 We need guys that can play the position and the 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.440 role that Mike Zimmer wants him to. And so I mean, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.040 I'm loving this, but I want to see if guys 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.719 like Carl Lawson still has something in the tank to 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.200 give you on the outside, or if he's or if 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.120 I don't know. I don't want to call him a 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.880 camp body because I don't think that's what he is. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.200 But I think he's a guy that you come in with. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.760 If you have over expectations for him, I think you 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:50.800 may be disappointed. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.760 Game one the Cleveland Brown Yes, sir, Does anybody remember 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.320 the last time the Cowboys and Browns played it against 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:00.680 each other? 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:07.720 Oh man sixteen? Was it was brother of forty nine 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.039 thirty eight games? Yeah? That was that was bad. What 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.760 do we know? What do we know? It was. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.680 It was here here, right, yeah, here. So what do 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.320 we know about kevin'spein he likes U. Let me give 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:23.719 you statistics from that last game. Forty carries for three 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.039 hundred and seven yards and three rushing touchdown. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.440 I can still see that Odell Beckham reverse. Yes, remember, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:31.039 oh I remember? 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:31.600 Yeah? 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.480 Yeah, two carries seventy three yards, one touchdown, put the 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.360 fifty yard touchdown Odell Beckham. Nick Chubb got hurt in 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.600 that game, and then Kareem Hunt ended up getting some carries, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.120 and Hunt when eleven for seventy one, had two touchdowns, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.120 but then it was de Ernest Johnson, like who he is? 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:53.640 Thirteen carries ninety five yards. They're going game one, Cleveland's 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.240 going to try to run the football, of course, And 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.640 that's when I saw the Phillips thing about okay, okay, good. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.320 We don't know what you're going to get from Mizzie Smith. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.280 We're not on the trust level with Mazzi yet, so 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:07.520 there needs to be some more help. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.320 Carl Davis, I gotna. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.560 Be the guy, so okay, and let's not be surprised 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.960 if they make another move. Yeah, as we start to 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.800 see these cuts here, this needs to be a parcels like. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.120 Philosophy as they go forward. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.280 At this one tech is you need to just be 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.360 keep churning the bottom of the roster, keep on turning. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:30.920 Folks need to be at it was Monday in a 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.720 couple of trials. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.000 We need to be looking to see a bunch of 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.280 big boys out here every Monday. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:36.760 Can you see some big. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.360 Old boys every week until you find who can get 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:40.800 out here and get the job done? 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.080 Of course, you know, just keep bringing up it. You 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.960 look like Vince Woolford, look look like refrigerator. Just keep 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:48.400 on mind. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.600 We just say, continue to mine these other rosters, and 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.840 I mean it like it's mining, going through everything you 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.320 possibly can. Because Carl Lawson came in, I think they 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.240 said last week. So again that's a part of of 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.119 what Will McLay is doing, making sure that he's keeping 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.600 his ear to the street to find out who's out there. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.720 I mean, we got to stop the run. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.160 Everybody knows that Mike Zimmer came in under the pretense 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.120 that that's the job that I'm here to take care of. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.239 I know these guys in the secondary are gonna be fine. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.880 Where we're getting beat at is upfront and in the trenches. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:19.520 We've seen it. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.000 You can go through many games last season where the 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.680 Cowboys just gave up too much. And I'm sorry the 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.320 playoff game you saw it raise his head again where 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.320 you could not get off the field. And when your defense, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.560 because the way that it was set up through dan Quinn, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.800 if you're not getting interceptions, you guys look pedestrian, you know, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.520 those big players, those sacks, those interceptions. When those things 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.959 aren't coming to you easily naturally, man, this defense was 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:44.560 dead in the water. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.640 And when it comes to Zimmer's defense, I mean we 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.839 look at here. You know the nozcer got Mizi Carl. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.920 You know, justin Rodgers all with his defense, you're not 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.760 gonna have that safety in the box. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.640 That's just not how how he operates. He does. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.240 You know, dan Quinn had a lot of that down 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.559 safety where he's gonna have you know, you know seven 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.559 man by Yeah, Zimmer. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.440 Loves to have that too high sell. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.920 And if you can't stop the running that too hot shell, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.320 it's curtains curse. You don't have somebody on the inside 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.520 that can control that line of scrimmage and let those 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:12.600 guys do what they gotta do. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.080 It's curtains for you because you just don't have enough 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.480 bodies in the trenches. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.160 And I don't think he's gonna switch up his whole 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.240 entire defense to make it a single high defense where 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.200 you bring an extra guy down in the box. So 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.840 to me, it's of the utmost importance to find somebody 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.120 in there that can control the middle. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.280 You got to when you have a two high system 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:29.720 like this. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.520 That's why you gotta have linebackers all so that can 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.199 scrape exactly. You know, the guys that can get downhill 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.720 in the area and the guys that are good tacklers. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.079 And Eric Hendrick we hadn't got an opportunity to see 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.439 him playing live action yet, but it's what we've heard 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.120 coming out of camp that he is that piece. I mean, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.040 you may even be looking at him, you know, compared 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.560 to what you had last season as an upgrade at 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.840 the position, because of his football i Q and the 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.160 kind of player that he is. Look, it is not 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:02.440 a secret that this team struggles against the run. You 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.800 don't get these bodies in here that can stop it. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.640 Teams are just gonna continue to do the same thing 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.199 against you. It's no sense in switching up the formula 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.280 for the Cowboys, all right, and at the early part 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.439 of your season, the teams that you go Cleveland after that, balk, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:23.959 I mean the New Orleans Saints, Ravens, everybody's gonna come. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.760 They're coming the blueprints here, They're coming with their running 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.360 game in tow and it's gonna be all about can 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.720 you stop us? Teams don't even care about all the 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.920 other stuff. What we're gonna do is load up on this. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.000 And that's why the development of Mazzie Smith is so 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.120 imperative to this team because it gets to the point, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.120 as as you said, we were talking about another position, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:46.760 like if a guy don't have it, he just don't 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:47.120 have it and. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.320 You just can't make it have it. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.600 All right, But because where he was picked, where he 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.400 was drafted, he's gonna get that opportunity to play. But man, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.760 it's just not that that consistency isn't there for him. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.720 Yet you say that, it makes me go back to 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:00.559 old ourselves. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:01.040 Uh. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.520 One of the build things Bill Parcel says say, if 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.679 they don't bite his puppies, they ain't gonna bite. The 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.520 gonna bite they become dogs. So so Mozzie's got to 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.280 show he's got some bite here. He's got to be 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.800 a contributor. I'm not asking for this man to be 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.880 Randy White. I'm just merely can you contribute to be 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.280 out on the football field and help make plays. By 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.760 the way, we're talking about Carl Lawson who signed with 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.679 the Cowboys. Paul Gunther is the defensive run game coordinator 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:26.400 for the Cowboys. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:27.800 Familiarity right, He. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.080 Knows him very well, and that to me is that 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.880 that to me is a very big thing as you're 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.480 trying to teach your scheme here is Hey, you got 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.800 guys like Kendricks who's in linebacker spot. Now you got 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.760 lost and help up front. He can also help other 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.319 guys have an understanding of what it is that they 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.120 want to accomplish in this scheme. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:45.600 So I like the signings. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:51.679 I do wonder couldn't this been done? 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:52.240 Yeah? Of course? 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:59.640 Of course, of course called me crazy, OTAs many got 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.000 me can have these guys in here while back. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.520 I mean, but that's a fundamental flaw that we've seen 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.280 play out several times through several different administrations. When it 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.040 come down to, hey man, this ain't gonna work out, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.120 And somebody obviously went into the office and said but 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:15.800 fix it. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:16.599 We fix it. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:16.880 Rich. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.360 It ain't cutting it right, No, this is it's not 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.000 cutting it. And I keep thinking of how much now 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.880 it Arry. Here's a question for you having to play. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.679 How much now is your preparation about Cleveland as you're 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:29.800 this deep in the training camp. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:30.400 Oh, this deepening. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.360 That's usually when you get this deep in the training camp. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.680 The first couple of days or weeks maybe first let's 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.480 just call it two weeks. You're doing install You're getting 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:38.959 all the defense from Zimmer that. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.920 He wants you to know going into week one. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.560 From about the second preseason game on, you're not really 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:45.840 doing much about that other team. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.000 You might do a day or two for the young. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.120 Guys to get ready for that preseason game so they 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:51.880 have an understanding of what's going on, even though your 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.600 defense is gonna be vanilla. Don't show film of you 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.000 know whoever ex is on the preseason. But the veteran guys, 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:58.439 the guys that are going to be starting in those 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.280 Week one games, or you're doing you're doing research, you're in. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.920 Individual you're sitting. Okay, this is where he likes to 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:03.720 do on third down. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:08.079 This is their favorite personnel, first and second down favorite runs, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.200 which of this is how they're gonna pull the guards over. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.040 You're doing all that to get ready for week one. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.960 At this point in training camp, the first you know, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.480 week maybe week and a half, you're just grinding it out, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.520 doing insall, going against each other, battling joint practices. But 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.400 at this point, after this second game, it's all Cleveland 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.920 for the veterans and the starters. And you know, the 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.240 young guys will get their day here or there to 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.640 prepare for that next preseason game, but the starters and 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.720 the guys that are going to be there week one. Yeah, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.080 your preparation for Cleveland starts probably after this game. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.400 So even coming into this second game, Barry, for you 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.760 as a defensive guy, did you care anything about the 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.400 preseason getting yourself, getting your body ready prepared for the season, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.160 or you just like it once it got to a 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.880 certain point in your career, you was just like, look, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.360 I'm good, just get me the week one. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:49.520 Oh. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.840 Yeah, when early on being undrafted, I was, you know, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.320 every preseason, I need to do this. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:54.000 I got it right. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.480 But you know, once I got established as a starter 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.719 and els I became a captain, and I was like, man, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.240 look I just need to be healthy, you know, like 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.360 I wasn't really going up for balls in camp, like 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.240 trying to bat balls down. You know, if the receiver 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.880 went up for it and you got this, I ain't 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.320 gonna jump up with you. Gu that's how you twist 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.120 ankles and getting all that crazy stuff. I just wanted 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.640 to make sure I was one hundred percent for week one, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.840 whatever the case may be, whoever we're going against. I 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.000 made sure I was one hundred percent. So that's how 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.880 I took it. And once I got to a point. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.840 But when I was, you know, first coming in here, Hey, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.600 you got a grind and make sure the coaches notice 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:23.560 you each and every day. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:24.160 That's something. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.440 And when I look at this secondary and you talk 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.640 about the cover two shell, I think that we have 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.720 two of the best tacklers at the safety position playing here, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.320 all right, Hooker and Wilson Hookers feel tack I mean, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.240 I just I think that's one of the things that 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.160 you feel so confident about about playing a scheme like 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.720 zim Er has and so not seeing these guys in 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.520 any action. You know, hey, do we you know, are 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.040 you worried about that? When do you think these guys 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.040 need to get some time. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.480 Like Hooker is at the point in his career where 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.960 he's a constant evet, so he understands he's had enough 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.160 action out there. When it comes to Wilson, you know, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.520 I'd like to see him, you know, get a little 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.120 bit of action you're in here. I mean, he's a beast, 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:02.760 Don't get me wrong. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:03.200 He's a beast. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:04.840 He'll come downhill knock the snot out of you. But 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.800 with this new system, he's still a young enough player 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:08.080 to wear. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:08.320 You know. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.400 You gotta get some work in there, so we'll see. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.760 But Hooker, that's that's a different story. 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