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Speaker 2: Right, guys, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer, defensive coordinator, what he liked to play with
Speaker 4: the Minnesota and it's like when he got here, not
Speaker 4: what they did. So a trade was made with the
Speaker 4: New York Football Giants for Jordan Phillips six for six,
Speaker 4: three hundred and forty.
Speaker 2: One pounds, A big boy, big man. That's a big man.
Speaker 4: So one technique he got Mozzie Smith. By the way,
Speaker 4: nobody's giving up on Mozzie Smith. So we can put
Speaker 4: that out there. This isn't a you know, Mazie, you stink.
Speaker 4: This is a hey, we need some more reinforcements. We
Speaker 4: need some help, and Carl Davis is gonna be Carl
Speaker 4: Davis is going to be going out.
Speaker 2: So start right now, church with you thoughts.
Speaker 5: Well, like we always talked about, you know, with the carpenter,
Speaker 5: he's gonna need his tools, and obviously the tools he
Speaker 5: had in his shit, you know, weren't sharp enough.
Speaker 2: So they went out.
Speaker 5: There and he Carl Larson, come on in here, Phillips,
Speaker 5: come on in here to if not, if at the
Speaker 5: very worst, provide some depth over there. So to me,
Speaker 5: Mike Zimber is saying, the guys in the building that
Speaker 5: he had in there, which are you know, Mizzie Smith,
Speaker 5: we long gotta worry about os. I think Osa, you know,
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be an outstanding player, that one,
Speaker 5: right one, Yeah, just at the one taken.
Speaker 2: We need some more reinforcements in there.
Speaker 5: And they went out there and they grabbed a few
Speaker 5: guys that can go in there, and at the very worst,
Speaker 5: clog the holes up. And you know, Phillips has been
Speaker 5: proven to be a guy that can hold offensive lineman
Speaker 5: from getting to that second level. When he was in Buffalo,
Speaker 5: he was able to do that. And you saw what
Speaker 5: Matt Malona was able to do at the linebacker position.
Speaker 5: He was one of the best linebackers for a while
Speaker 5: there with the Buffalo Bills before his injury.
Speaker 2: So we've seen these guys. They have the capability of
Speaker 2: doing just that, and that's what the Cowboys need. They
Speaker 2: don't need guys that are just you know, Aaron Donald's this, that,
Speaker 2: and the third.
Speaker 5: They need people to do their job and do it
Speaker 5: well consistently, not just you know, a flash in the
Speaker 5: pan here and there. They need their guys to be
Speaker 5: able to sit in the gap, make sure that that
Speaker 5: run ain't coming through this gap and at the very worst,
Speaker 5: that offsive lineman doesn't get to the second level. Because
Speaker 5: we got speed everywhere on that second level, we got
Speaker 5: to be able to use that speed. So he bringing
Speaker 5: these guys in. They're consistent at what they do. They're
Speaker 5: not flashy, they're not gonna be wow, pop off the tape,
Speaker 5: but they're gonna do their job. Consistently, and that's what
Speaker 5: Zien brought in here. He brought some more tools in
Speaker 5: here to sharping up what he already has, and hopefully
Speaker 5: the carpenter has what he needs.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: My MIC's not working, guys, so what I'm gonna have
Speaker 6: to do. We're good now, I agree. And I think
Speaker 6: we were talking about Zim before and I think you
Speaker 6: even before in the off season, you were talking about
Speaker 6: guys like Linval Joseph and the kind of prototypical guys
Speaker 6: that he Scharie Floyd. Those are the kind of players
Speaker 6: that kept when he starts making his dish, his signature editions.
Speaker 2: These are the prototypical.
Speaker 6: Guys that he has standing in those a gaps but
Speaker 6: look man like. I used to work a show with
Speaker 6: Mickey Spagnola, and Mickey taught me about these free agent acquisitions,
Speaker 6: and I'm telling you it was I'll tell you a
Speaker 6: story about how Clinton dis how excited I was about him. Man,
Speaker 6: I was excited.
Speaker 2: I was like, we got were about to run that.
Speaker 6: Mickey looked at Mickey looked at it, didn't even look
Speaker 6: up from his notepad when he said he was like,
Speaker 6: he's a bridge player and not even make the team.
Speaker 6: You know, And I was like, wait, wait a minute, man,
Speaker 6: we need the safety and how was nice back in
Speaker 6: the day, back in the day, And so I was
Speaker 6: claiming back in the day. And so you know, when
Speaker 6: you make the feet, when you make the comparison between
Speaker 6: some of those players and you think about what Zimmer wants,
Speaker 6: that's when I look at these guys and I say,
Speaker 6: especially a guy like Jordan Phillips because of his side,
Speaker 6: specifically what he could do on this defense, that's all
Speaker 6: we need him for. That's all we needed. And we
Speaker 6: were talking about that rotational piece behind Manzi because.
Speaker 2: He's gonna need that.
Speaker 6: He's still maturing into the position, and before he gets
Speaker 6: to that point, you need a guy that could come
Speaker 6: in there and spell him. Also, with some of the
Speaker 6: other key pieces that you lost in the off season,
Speaker 6: you need a good rotation.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: Guys like Chauncey Ghoston is starting to turn it around
Speaker 6: and you start to see him fit into that rotation.
Speaker 6: But right now, that one tech you just it's a
Speaker 6: lot of questions around that position, and I think you
Speaker 6: had to get a guy in here like Phil because
Speaker 6: they wave Carl Davis, another big body, a guy that
Speaker 6: kind of fits the same mold of Jordan Phillips. But
Speaker 6: you just need a guy not to get drove off
Speaker 6: the ball. And I just look, before I get excited
Speaker 6: about these pigs, I'm like, look, man, I've seen this
Speaker 6: movie before. It was The dun Terry Poe, Everson Griffith.
Speaker 6: I saw that movie, Starry Jerald McCoy.
Speaker 2: Yo. We need we need help up front.
Speaker 6: We need guys that can play the position and the
Speaker 6: role that Mike Zimmer wants him to. And so I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm loving this, but I want to see if guys
Speaker 6: like Carl Lawson still has something in the tank to
Speaker 6: give you on the outside, or if he's or if
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't want to call him a
Speaker 6: camp body because I don't think that's what he is.
Speaker 6: But I think he's a guy that you come in with.
Speaker 6: If you have over expectations for him, I think you
Speaker 6: may be disappointed.
Speaker 4: Game one the Cleveland Brown Yes, sir, Does anybody remember
Speaker 4: the last time the Cowboys and Browns played it against
Speaker 4: each other?
Speaker 2: Oh man sixteen? Was it was brother of forty nine
Speaker 2: thirty eight games? Yeah? That was that was bad. What
Speaker 2: do we know? What do we know? It was.
Speaker 4: It was here here, right, yeah, here. So what do
Speaker 4: we know about kevin'spein he likes U. Let me give
Speaker 4: you statistics from that last game. Forty carries for three
Speaker 4: hundred and seven yards and three rushing touchdown.
Speaker 2: I can still see that Odell Beckham reverse. Yes, remember,
Speaker 2: oh I remember?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, two carries seventy three yards, one touchdown, put the
Speaker 4: fifty yard touchdown Odell Beckham. Nick Chubb got hurt in
Speaker 4: that game, and then Kareem Hunt ended up getting some carries,
Speaker 4: and Hunt when eleven for seventy one, had two touchdowns,
Speaker 4: but then it was de Ernest Johnson, like who he is?
Speaker 4: Thirteen carries ninety five yards. They're going game one, Cleveland's
Speaker 4: going to try to run the football, of course, And
Speaker 4: that's when I saw the Phillips thing about okay, okay, good.
Speaker 4: We don't know what you're going to get from Mizzie Smith.
Speaker 4: We're not on the trust level with Mazzi yet, so
Speaker 4: there needs to be some more help.
Speaker 2: Carl Davis, I gotna.
Speaker 4: Be the guy, so okay, and let's not be surprised
Speaker 4: if they make another move. Yeah, as we start to
Speaker 4: see these cuts here, this needs to be a parcels like.
Speaker 2: Philosophy as they go forward.
Speaker 4: At this one tech is you need to just be
Speaker 4: keep churning the bottom of the roster, keep on turning.
Speaker 2: Folks need to be at it was Monday in a
Speaker 2: couple of trials.
Speaker 4: We need to be looking to see a bunch of
Speaker 4: big boys out here every Monday.
Speaker 2: Can you see some big.
Speaker 4: Old boys every week until you find who can get
Speaker 4: out here and get the job done?
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, just keep bringing up it. You
Speaker 2: look like Vince Woolford, look look like refrigerator. Just keep
Speaker 2: on mind.
Speaker 6: We just say, continue to mine these other rosters, and
Speaker 6: I mean it like it's mining, going through everything you
Speaker 6: possibly can. Because Carl Lawson came in, I think they
Speaker 6: said last week. So again that's a part of of
Speaker 6: what Will McLay is doing, making sure that he's keeping
Speaker 6: his ear to the street to find out who's out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to stop the run.
Speaker 6: Everybody knows that Mike Zimmer came in under the pretense
Speaker 6: that that's the job that I'm here to take care of.
Speaker 6: I know these guys in the secondary are gonna be fine.
Speaker 6: Where we're getting beat at is upfront and in the trenches.
Speaker 2: We've seen it.
Speaker 6: You can go through many games last season where the
Speaker 6: Cowboys just gave up too much. And I'm sorry the
Speaker 6: playoff game you saw it raise his head again where
Speaker 6: you could not get off the field. And when your defense,
Speaker 6: because the way that it was set up through dan Quinn,
Speaker 6: if you're not getting interceptions, you guys look pedestrian, you know,
Speaker 6: those big players, those sacks, those interceptions. When those things
Speaker 6: aren't coming to you easily naturally, man, this defense was
Speaker 6: dead in the water.
Speaker 5: And when it comes to Zimmer's defense, I mean we
Speaker 5: look at here. You know the nozcer got Mizi Carl.
Speaker 5: You know, justin Rodgers all with his defense, you're not
Speaker 5: gonna have that safety in the box.
Speaker 2: That's just not how how he operates. He does.
Speaker 5: You know, dan Quinn had a lot of that down
Speaker 5: safety where he's gonna have you know, you know seven
Speaker 5: man by Yeah, Zimmer.
Speaker 2: Loves to have that too high sell.
Speaker 5: And if you can't stop the running that too hot shell,
Speaker 5: it's curtains curse. You don't have somebody on the inside
Speaker 5: that can control that line of scrimmage and let those
Speaker 5: guys do what they gotta do.
Speaker 2: It's curtains for you because you just don't have enough
Speaker 2: bodies in the trenches.
Speaker 5: And I don't think he's gonna switch up his whole
Speaker 5: entire defense to make it a single high defense where
Speaker 5: you bring an extra guy down in the box. So
Speaker 5: to me, it's of the utmost importance to find somebody
Speaker 5: in there that can control the middle.
Speaker 2: You got to when you have a two high system
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 6: That's why you gotta have linebackers all so that can
Speaker 6: scrape exactly. You know, the guys that can get downhill
Speaker 6: in the area and the guys that are good tacklers.
Speaker 6: And Eric Hendrick we hadn't got an opportunity to see
Speaker 6: him playing live action yet, but it's what we've heard
Speaker 6: coming out of camp that he is that piece. I mean,
Speaker 6: you may even be looking at him, you know, compared
Speaker 6: to what you had last season as an upgrade at
Speaker 6: the position, because of his football i Q and the
Speaker 6: kind of player that he is. Look, it is not
Speaker 6: a secret that this team struggles against the run. You
Speaker 6: don't get these bodies in here that can stop it.
Speaker 6: Teams are just gonna continue to do the same thing
Speaker 6: against you. It's no sense in switching up the formula
Speaker 6: for the Cowboys, all right, and at the early part
Speaker 6: of your season, the teams that you go Cleveland after that, balk,
Speaker 6: I mean the New Orleans Saints, Ravens, everybody's gonna come.
Speaker 6: They're coming the blueprints here, They're coming with their running
Speaker 6: game in tow and it's gonna be all about can
Speaker 6: you stop us? Teams don't even care about all the
Speaker 6: other stuff. What we're gonna do is load up on this.
Speaker 6: And that's why the development of Mazzie Smith is so
Speaker 6: imperative to this team because it gets to the point,
Speaker 6: as as you said, we were talking about another position,
Speaker 6: like if a guy don't have it, he just don't
Speaker 6: have it and.
Speaker 2: You just can't make it have it.
Speaker 6: All right, But because where he was picked, where he
Speaker 6: was drafted, he's gonna get that opportunity to play. But man,
Speaker 6: it's just not that that consistency isn't there for him.
Speaker 2: Yet you say that, it makes me go back to
Speaker 2: old ourselves.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: One of the build things Bill Parcel says say, if
Speaker 4: they don't bite his puppies, they ain't gonna bite. The
Speaker 4: gonna bite they become dogs. So so Mozzie's got to
Speaker 4: show he's got some bite here. He's got to be
Speaker 4: a contributor. I'm not asking for this man to be
Speaker 4: Randy White. I'm just merely can you contribute to be
Speaker 4: out on the football field and help make plays. By
Speaker 4: the way, we're talking about Carl Lawson who signed with
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. Paul Gunther is the defensive run game coordinator
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Familiarity right, He.
Speaker 4: Knows him very well, and that to me is that
Speaker 4: that to me is a very big thing as you're
Speaker 4: trying to teach your scheme here is Hey, you got
Speaker 4: guys like Kendricks who's in linebacker spot. Now you got
Speaker 4: lost and help up front. He can also help other
Speaker 4: guys have an understanding of what it is that they
Speaker 4: want to accomplish in this scheme.
Speaker 2: So I like the signings.
Speaker 4: I do wonder couldn't this been done?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 4: Of course, of course called me crazy, OTAs many got
Speaker 4: me can have these guys in here while back.
Speaker 6: I mean, but that's a fundamental flaw that we've seen
Speaker 6: play out several times through several different administrations. When it
Speaker 6: come down to, hey man, this ain't gonna work out,
Speaker 6: And somebody obviously went into the office and said but
Speaker 6: fix it.
Speaker 2: We fix it.
Speaker 6: Rich.
Speaker 4: It ain't cutting it right, No, this is it's not
Speaker 4: cutting it. And I keep thinking of how much now
Speaker 4: it Arry. Here's a question for you having to play.
Speaker 4: How much now is your preparation about Cleveland as you're
Speaker 4: this deep in the training camp.
Speaker 2: Oh, this deepening.
Speaker 5: That's usually when you get this deep in the training camp.
Speaker 5: The first couple of days or weeks maybe first let's
Speaker 5: just call it two weeks. You're doing install You're getting
Speaker 5: all the defense from Zimmer that.
Speaker 2: He wants you to know going into week one.
Speaker 5: From about the second preseason game on, you're not really
Speaker 5: doing much about that other team.
Speaker 2: You might do a day or two for the young.
Speaker 5: Guys to get ready for that preseason game so they
Speaker 5: have an understanding of what's going on, even though your
Speaker 5: defense is gonna be vanilla. Don't show film of you
Speaker 5: know whoever ex is on the preseason. But the veteran guys,
Speaker 5: the guys that are going to be starting in those
Speaker 5: Week one games, or you're doing you're doing research, you're in.
Speaker 2: Individual you're sitting. Okay, this is where he likes to
Speaker 2: do on third down.
Speaker 5: This is their favorite personnel, first and second down favorite runs,
Speaker 5: which of this is how they're gonna pull the guards over.
Speaker 5: You're doing all that to get ready for week one.
Speaker 5: At this point in training camp, the first you know,
Speaker 5: week maybe week and a half, you're just grinding it out,
Speaker 5: doing insall, going against each other, battling joint practices. But
Speaker 5: at this point, after this second game, it's all Cleveland
Speaker 5: for the veterans and the starters. And you know, the
Speaker 5: young guys will get their day here or there to
Speaker 5: prepare for that next preseason game, but the starters and
Speaker 5: the guys that are going to be there week one. Yeah,
Speaker 5: your preparation for Cleveland starts probably after this game.
Speaker 6: So even coming into this second game, Barry, for you
Speaker 6: as a defensive guy, did you care anything about the
Speaker 6: preseason getting yourself, getting your body ready prepared for the season,
Speaker 6: or you just like it once it got to a
Speaker 6: certain point in your career, you was just like, look,
Speaker 6: I'm good, just get me the week one.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when early on being undrafted, I was, you know,
Speaker 5: every preseason, I need to do this.
Speaker 2: I got it right.
Speaker 5: But you know, once I got established as a starter
Speaker 5: and els I became a captain, and I was like, man,
Speaker 5: look I just need to be healthy, you know, like
Speaker 5: I wasn't really going up for balls in camp, like
Speaker 5: trying to bat balls down. You know, if the receiver
Speaker 5: went up for it and you got this, I ain't
Speaker 5: gonna jump up with you. Gu that's how you twist
Speaker 5: ankles and getting all that crazy stuff. I just wanted
Speaker 5: to make sure I was one hundred percent for week one,
Speaker 5: whatever the case may be, whoever we're going against. I
Speaker 5: made sure I was one hundred percent. So that's how
Speaker 5: I took it. And once I got to a point.
Speaker 5: But when I was, you know, first coming in here, Hey,
Speaker 5: you got a grind and make sure the coaches notice
Speaker 5: you each and every day.
Speaker 2: That's something.
Speaker 6: And when I look at this secondary and you talk
Speaker 6: about the cover two shell, I think that we have
Speaker 6: two of the best tacklers at the safety position playing here,
Speaker 6: all right, Hooker and Wilson Hookers feel tack I mean,
Speaker 6: I just I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 6: you feel so confident about about playing a scheme like
Speaker 6: zim Er has and so not seeing these guys in
Speaker 6: any action. You know, hey, do we you know, are
Speaker 6: you worried about that? When do you think these guys
Speaker 6: need to get some time.
Speaker 5: Like Hooker is at the point in his career where
Speaker 5: he's a constant evet, so he understands he's had enough
Speaker 5: action out there. When it comes to Wilson, you know,
Speaker 5: I'd like to see him, you know, get a little
Speaker 5: bit of action you're in here. I mean, he's a beast,
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: He's a beast.
Speaker 5: He'll come downhill knock the snot out of you. But
Speaker 5: with this new system, he's still a young enough player
Speaker 5: to wear.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: You gotta get some work in there, so we'll see.
Speaker 5: But Hooker, that's that's a different story. I mean, he's
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Speaker 2: Yes, but those two those two corners on the outside
Speaker 2: man dangerous.
Speaker 4: Oh if if your if your D line could stop
Speaker 4: the run, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: If if hopes and dreams, hopes and dreams.
Speaker 4: But with those two guys out there, all right, I
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Speaker 2: Run, this could be something good. But those two.
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Speaker 2: A little bit. Man, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: because I still got you know, them off that what
Speaker 2: this D line gonna do?
Speaker 5: I gotta see what this D line gonna do? Because
Speaker 5: it's great if you can get teams in the third
Speaker 5: and eighth and tens sure where they're gonna have to
Speaker 5: put it up in there, and you know you got
Speaker 5: the secondary that can that can hold it down.
Speaker 2: But the teams are sitting there, you.
Speaker 5: Know, third and threes, third and two's, third and fours
Speaker 5: like because it's a lot different because you're not last
Speaker 5: year quarterback. To sit back there, five step drop, try
Speaker 5: to find somebody open while Parsons is breathing down your neck,
Speaker 5: while the Marcus Lawrence is breathing down your neck.
Speaker 2: Third and three is certain tunes. That's easy, quick slant here,
Speaker 2: run there.
Speaker 5: So I love what we have on the outside when
Speaker 5: it comes to the corners and that slot corner as
Speaker 5: well with Jordan lou the safety everybody. I love that
Speaker 5: second level. If the defensive line can come to play,
Speaker 5: then we then we cook it with grease.
Speaker 2: But if the run game continues the rear, it's ugly ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that it's just gonna be frustrations over and over again.
Speaker 2: CBC. That's that. That's that. That that your football knowledge, right.
Speaker 6: We just had to did a whole segment on the
Speaker 6: defensive line, and we're trying to we're trying to fan
Speaker 6: it out and get a little bit of praise on
Speaker 6: the secondary.
Speaker 2: But you're just not gonna allow it.
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Speaker 6: look real, You're not gonna let the good vibes.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't create no good vibes in the studio.
Speaker 2: I'll feel you. I mean, I'm with you on that too.
Speaker 6: I just think that one thing about last season, I
Speaker 6: thought that Deron Bland just showed you, you know, look
Speaker 6: how dynamic that secondary can be based off. I mean,
Speaker 6: five nine pigs, five touchdowns and I for me, I
Speaker 6: was sitting there going, man, what you know, tray Von
Speaker 6: that's his What would tray.
Speaker 2: Vonn have done with that?
Speaker 6: And and now these two playmakers on the field, I
Speaker 6: absolutely love the way that they're the approach that they're
Speaker 6: taking with Trayvon Diggs, you know he is and Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy will never get credit for the way that he
Speaker 6: manages his players. Uh and this in this in this
Speaker 6: staff obviously medical staff, Britt Brown and the job that
Speaker 6: he does. But it's just one of those things where
Speaker 6: you need your playmakers. Now, you need your guys, and
Speaker 6: maybe that defensive line will that the defense line will
Speaker 6: definitely save you and make life easier for you. But
Speaker 6: if these guys can cover and look get interceptions, I
Speaker 6: think that changes the whole dynamic of this defense period.
Speaker 6: But you can't be in those situations where it's thirty
Speaker 6: one thirty three and expect to be successful.
Speaker 5: One thing I will say about the secondary as well,
Speaker 5: that could be an interesting dynamic going into this year.
Speaker 5: You got you know, Bland over here, you got Diggs
Speaker 5: over here, both outstanding at what they do. They're gambler
Speaker 5: type corners. You never want to take that away. You
Speaker 5: never want to take that away. You always want them
Speaker 5: to have that gambler mentality. But what last year, which
Speaker 5: you had was Bland who was the gambler, but you
Speaker 5: also had that guy in Stefan Gilmour on the other side,
Speaker 5: who was just mister consistency technician. If you need me, hey, Bland,
Speaker 5: struggling on this guy, let me slide him over there,
Speaker 5: and he's gonna let he might not get a lot
Speaker 5: of picks for you.
Speaker 2: But he's gonna lock that guy down the outside. So
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be real interesting.
Speaker 5: And I know it's a different system and different you know,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have too high safety, so maybe they keep
Speaker 5: everything in front of them, but that's just really you know,
Speaker 5: you got two gambles on the outside. You know, it's
Speaker 5: a lot of double moves, all of situations like that.
Speaker 5: You know, I want to see how it works out.
Speaker 5: I just want to see how same for the most part.
Speaker 6: I think for the most part the other night, Zimmer
Speaker 6: state in zone for a lot of the game. He
Speaker 6: did stayed in the zone for a lot of the game,
Speaker 6: and I think that these guys have a different skill
Speaker 6: set where they can fluctuate and do both. Last season
Speaker 6: also with Gilmore, he just allows you to play quarters
Speaker 6: in different sides of the field because you knew what
Speaker 6: he was going to do on his side. I don't
Speaker 6: know what I'm more interested in is what version of
Speaker 6: digs we get, you know, Trayvon coming off of it.
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody's going to be looking at it. Trust me,
Speaker 6: Cleveland is going to trust that. They are going to
Speaker 6: test at ACL. They want to know if you still
Speaker 6: got that gambler mentality in you, if you're going to
Speaker 6: break on that ball the same and once the tape
Speaker 6: gets out, then other teams will start going, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: he can't do this anymore, or he still falls for this.
Speaker 6: And so that's where I started to say, with his
Speaker 6: talent that he has, maybe you're looking at a guy
Speaker 6: that may not pull the trigger as quickly as he
Speaker 6: has been known for. I mean, we know that he
Speaker 6: sound technically, and to see him in camp getting those
Speaker 6: those interceptions, I mean that really kind of look that
Speaker 6: raises your level of hope for him and coming back
Speaker 6: I got a fresh pack.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't wait for the family re
Speaker 2: union on the eighth. Boy, I'm rolling it out.
Speaker 4: The great Hall of Famer Warren Sap said it, and
Speaker 4: I believe in it all day long.
Speaker 2: The back don't work without the front, That's true.
Speaker 4: And so depending on what we see from Jordan Phillips,
Speaker 4: who they made a trade for Mazzie Smith here and
Speaker 4: especially for Mazie in this next preseason game, when the
Speaker 4: cut lists come out, every year, we're going to see
Speaker 4: somebody on the cut list that we're not expecting, or
Speaker 4: a team is really willing to trade a certain player
Speaker 4: because they don't want to pay the salary.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just how the league works.
Speaker 4: What will be the Cowboys appetite to possibly make another
Speaker 4: move at the defensive tackle spot to shore this up?
Speaker 4: This These are going to be things that I'm I'm
Speaker 4: very kind of keen on looking at because man, if this,
Speaker 4: if they allow this to be the reason why they
Speaker 4: can't play the kind of football they want. Looking at
Speaker 4: the way the schedules tax up, now, that's not all in.
Speaker 2: That's not all in.
Speaker 4: These two moves are bringing in losson and Phillips showed you, okay,
Speaker 4: we don't have Steven. You always be fond of this line.
Speaker 4: I was just laughed at. We like our guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody else.
Speaker 4: Does, nobody at all, none of us watching this likeness.
Speaker 4: So that was just one more proof, like, no, you
Speaker 4: don't because here you are, you signed loss in and
Speaker 4: you made a trade for Phillips.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're done yet. We'll have to see.
Speaker 4: So this these to me, these are moves that that
Speaker 4: are going to dictate a lot of the season because
Speaker 4: how you start.
Speaker 2: And if.
Speaker 4: I remember when they lost this game forty nine thirty
Speaker 4: eight by the way to Cowboys scored twenty four and
Speaker 4: fourth Cleveland took it to him. It was deaf Con five.
Speaker 4: Remember it was early in the season. This was game four.
Speaker 4: This is game one. Cowboy fan naturally just thinks, you know,
Speaker 4: it clean beat Cleveland. And so if it's not that way,
Speaker 4: you know, we know what's gonna be around here.
Speaker 2: Oh it won.
Speaker 4: What's gonna be around here? It is, so so we
Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do. So gotta stop to run
Speaker 4: here right out of the gate, and you got a
Speaker 4: bunch of other teams are gonna want to run at you.
Speaker 2: So anyway that that that's just.
Speaker 6: My I think the difference is between dan Quinn's defense
Speaker 6: and you saw this a lot in the in the playoffs,
Speaker 6: where guys were so in a hurry to get up
Speaker 6: the field, they were getting trapped, blocked on the backside
Speaker 6: school you know, out of the hole, just ran out.
Speaker 6: This is I think Zimmer brings in a style of
Speaker 6: play that's going to really compliment some of the personnel
Speaker 6: that he has. Some of those guys were just really
Speaker 6: reckless and what they were doing and just leaving open
Speaker 6: those gaping holes, and you don't want to obviously, you
Speaker 6: can't have that, uh this season. So I look, I'm
Speaker 6: looking for that to be the difference in this defense,
Speaker 6: but also guys that can help michaelh be the best
Speaker 6: that he can be, because I'm telling you, if he
Speaker 6: can terrorize at the line of scrimmage, that changes a
Speaker 6: lot of that.
Speaker 2: All Right, you stopped the run.
Speaker 6: You stopped the run, and Mike is terrorizing at the
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage, then you're just second.
Speaker 2: Half of your defense. Let's get another break. Let's got
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Speaker 2: You're gonna get you an Emmy. You aligned for Amy,
Speaker 2: not this year, not this year. I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: me on that. Why let's get them? Yeah? How many
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Speaker 4: I swear that he's not about me. Guys, you got
Speaker 4: a question, I don't, little fool you. Arry has a question.
Speaker 4: We tease the question.
Speaker 2: That's your question these emmies.
Speaker 5: Anyway, when we get so baksally, the question was you
Speaker 5: know what the book is gonna bring to the table,
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons, You know he's gonna get triple double teams,
Speaker 5: all that good stuff from what we have on the
Speaker 5: roster now, including those additions that we just made for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Do you see the rest of this defensive
Speaker 5: line being able to windows one on ones? Because last
Speaker 5: year you had Foiler who was able to do so,
Speaker 5: you had Armstrong were able to do so as well.
Speaker 5: Olsa did his thing last year. He's still around. Do
Speaker 5: you still believe that you know these guys can win
Speaker 5: their one ones because we know Michael's gonna have all
Speaker 5: that attention. They're not gonna let them wreck shop. So do
Speaker 5: you think we have went on this roster to be
Speaker 5: able to win those one on ones?
Speaker 2: Get pressure on that quarterback? Man?
Speaker 4: This is that's a really really good question because you
Speaker 4: need your one techniques to come through. So you know
Speaker 4: Osa is sitting here with one on one. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: believe Osa can get something done. So this is this
Speaker 4: is such a team the question you ask is such
Speaker 4: a team related deal such a team related dealer. They've
Speaker 4: got to play well together and at the same time too,
Speaker 4: How How do Zimmer and Gunther come up with the
Speaker 4: proper scheme to get it done? Dan Quinn did a
Speaker 4: great job of Okay, this is what I have. How
Speaker 4: do I make it work here? I'll be interested to
Speaker 4: see how they can do that, and maybe we'll see
Speaker 4: a little bit more in the Raider game because against
Speaker 4: the Rams they didn't do a whole.
Speaker 2: Lot a lot of blitz and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: you ask a dang good question that I'll be very
Speaker 2: happy to see. Okay, what happens. What happens? You guys
Speaker 2: do it? Great question. Now, guys like.
Speaker 6: Guys like Tomorrow and overshone really give me hope when
Speaker 6: I look at him and what his skill set and
Speaker 6: his abilities are. You know, when you mentioned those names
Speaker 6: the guys that we lost that went on to the commanders,
Speaker 6: I know that you know Dante Fowler was that gadget guy.
Speaker 6: I mean, you k knowe what you put him in
Speaker 6: the game for what he was the pen your years
Speaker 6: back get after the quarterback. I think Armstrong probably is
Speaker 6: the bigger piece that you're trying to replace because he
Speaker 6: was a bit of a twiner. He could do more
Speaker 6: than just think one thing. And so you look at
Speaker 6: Chauncey Ghoston and also filling in that role. You know, Look, man,
Speaker 6: when you go back to the scene of the crime
Speaker 6: and green Bay and you look at what green Bay
Speaker 6: did to scheme up on Micah, you ask yourself where
Speaker 6: the hell was everybody else? You know, because if your
Speaker 6: velcrod on blocks can't get off and Jordan Love is
Speaker 6: just sitting back there patting the ball and finding whoever
Speaker 6: he wants, you know, I think that's where the hesitation
Speaker 6: comes in because you're saying yourself, look, how did y'all
Speaker 6: get any better? Because the guys that y'all bringing in
Speaker 6: a definitely not any better than the guys y'all just had. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, like, to your credit, knew it that is.
Speaker 6: That is a great question. But I think you have
Speaker 6: some younger guys in a piece liked Marvin Overshawn that
Speaker 6: you can use along with Micah that can apply that
Speaker 6: pressure off.
Speaker 4: So so Church bumping off what he just said, how
Speaker 4: much should we expect from a guy who, while he's
Speaker 4: here two, missed all of his rookie season, didn't play
Speaker 4: a snap in the regular season. What's the baseline of
Speaker 4: what we should truly expect from a player like Tomorrow
Speaker 4: and Overshawn that has missed.
Speaker 5: I mean, man, that's just so many different examples of
Speaker 5: guys that have you missed that whole rookie season, and
Speaker 5: it came out the second year super hungry and performed
Speaker 5: well above the you know what people thought. But then
Speaker 5: there's also those examples where you know that first year
Speaker 5: heard them and he never really got that confidence back.
Speaker 5: From what I've seen from Overshawn throughout trending camp and
Speaker 5: preseason is this is a guy that's hungry, this is
Speaker 5: a guy that's he wants it. You see him, he
Speaker 5: pops off the tape He's not just going through the
Speaker 5: motions out there, sticking on the blocks.
Speaker 2: He's trying to make plays out there.
Speaker 5: So to me, you know, I see a guy in
Speaker 5: overshowing that I think he's gonna he's gonna reach over
Speaker 5: what people believe that he can do because he just
Speaker 5: I just see the hunger out of him. I just
Speaker 5: see that his want to, his explosiveness off the tape,
Speaker 5: and that's a guy that that you want in a foxhold.
Speaker 2: That's a guy that you want to go to war with.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I think Overshawn definitely is gonna gonna
Speaker 5: overreach what a lot of people believe that he can
Speaker 5: do this year. Yeah, that's the delayed gratification of a
Speaker 5: player that you wish you've got an opportunity to see
Speaker 5: last season. And I'm with you on everything that I
Speaker 5: see from him in camp. He's he's moving fast, as
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy says, he does everything fast, you know, So
Speaker 5: you need that kind of speed and this defense never
Speaker 5: lacked for that. They just didn't have those other pieces
Speaker 5: to get stops. We didn't have that other piece.
Speaker 6: When teams found a way to slow down Micah, who
Speaker 6: else was gonna step to the table and oh, by
Speaker 6: the way, we still have DeMarcus Tang, Lawrens and so.
Speaker 6: And I'm not and I'm not looking at him to
Speaker 6: be that sack leader, a guy that can get out
Speaker 6: and do all those things. I just think that he
Speaker 6: is the glue when it comes down to this defense,
Speaker 6: and he understands exactly what this team needs. You need
Speaker 6: another playmaker in that interior and a guy just like
Speaker 6: Micah that that can apply that pressure.
Speaker 4: How much can we really ask from a guy who's
Speaker 4: been doing this a decade now? His best football is
Speaker 4: going he's already giving you his best football. So so realistically,
Speaker 4: that was it.
Speaker 2: Four sacks that he had last year?
Speaker 4: So heckman, what do you realistically think we should be
Speaker 4: expecting from from this from from tank Lord?
Speaker 6: Now, if we get a double digit sack here, I
Speaker 6: think we will be ecstatic, but we're not. Pay don't
Speaker 6: bet on it, don't don't bet on it. I think
Speaker 6: he could just be a guy that's consistent in helping
Speaker 6: you stop the run. And that's what he's been showing
Speaker 6: you over the last couple of couple of years. And
Speaker 6: it's that it's that maturity as a player when a
Speaker 6: guy loses one thing, he incorporates another and say, look,
Speaker 6: my jumper ain't what it used to be. So I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go down to the paint and I'm gonna get
Speaker 6: rebounds and I'm gonna get these these layups for you.
Speaker 6: I think that's where DeMarcus Lawrence is in his in
Speaker 6: his career. That but that once that step that he
Speaker 6: had on the outside. Maybe he's a step slow, all right,
Speaker 6: but I still know that his ability to help stop
Speaker 6: the run and again be the contonment leader that you
Speaker 6: need on this defensive line.
Speaker 2: So that was my way of kind of avoiding the question.
Speaker 6: But in a sense, I still believe in his leadership
Speaker 6: and I believe in him, you know, obviously still being
Speaker 6: able to play at a high level and at his piece.
Speaker 5: And that's to me, is why there's so much pressure
Speaker 5: on Kneeling to show up. You know, these young guys
Speaker 5: on the edge to show up, because if they're not
Speaker 5: playing to where you know Zimber wants them to play,
Speaker 5: then you're gonna throw more on the plate of a
Speaker 5: DeMarcus Lawrence who's in year eleven, and you may ask
Speaker 5: him to play, you know, five to ten snaps more
Speaker 5: a game because these other young guys aren't where they
Speaker 5: need to be at and over the stretch of what
Speaker 5: seventeen games adds up on a vet, that adds up
Speaker 5: on the vent.
Speaker 4: So just looking at just sacks and I know there's
Speaker 4: more to football than that. And Tank Lawrence has been
Speaker 4: praised for his abilition to run game, but he had
Speaker 4: four sacks last year.
Speaker 2: Sam Williams had four and a half. Jonathan Hankins had three.
Speaker 4: Big hank olsa Diggi Zoo had three, Dororin Sorstrong had
Speaker 4: seven and a half.
Speaker 2: They're talk about tackles for loss. Last year Tank had ten.
Speaker 4: And so I say this in terms of if we're
Speaker 4: just being realistic and we're talking about football players, He's
Speaker 4: an older player. This is a hard sport and at
Speaker 4: some point in time, and I think this has been
Speaker 4: for me one of the problems.
Speaker 2: I think through the years, Jerry has held on the
Speaker 2: guys too long. If DeMarcus Lawrens.
Speaker 4: Played in New England had probably been gone, but the
Speaker 4: Cowboys keeping guys around here. So to me, I'm looking
Speaker 4: and I'm asking the question, realistically, what should we expect
Speaker 4: from a veteran player like DeMarcus Lawrence? If the young
Speaker 4: kid they got from Western Michigan your second round picking,
Speaker 4: if he can help balance this thing, that could be better.
Speaker 4: But to sit up here and ask Tank Lawrence to
Speaker 4: be what he used to be, I think you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 4: And that's not a shot at the young man at all.
Speaker 4: He's he's given the Cowboys a lot. But a certain
Speaker 4: point in time, you got to say to yourself, Hey,
Speaker 4: when do we admit to ourselves the players.
Speaker 2: Not who he used to be? And that's that's just
Speaker 2: what it is. And so how do we realistically look
Speaker 2: at I mean, you know last year Tank Lawys had
Speaker 2: double D D sack twenty eighteen, Yeah, that's a minute.
Speaker 4: Okay, twenty nineteen, five, twenty twenty six and a half,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, three, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Six, last year four.
Speaker 6: But NOUI did you have a look at your look
Speaker 6: at yourself and did you ever say to yourself that
Speaker 6: DeMarcus Lawrence is a sack specialist. I don't think that
Speaker 6: that's ever been the thing that we put on him.
Speaker 6: He's never been that as a player.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 6: But also when you start evaluating this this roster, we
Speaker 6: open up talking about two guys that we bring into
Speaker 6: a roster that's already hurting for talent, and how you
Speaker 6: need to continue to turn in mind to get other
Speaker 6: guys in here that can actively be a help to you.
Speaker 6: I think DeMarcus Lawrence, even with the number of years
Speaker 6: that he's played in the league, is an asset to
Speaker 6: you as a defender. We're not cutting on the tape
Speaker 6: and seeing d law get you know, Scoop reached up
Speaker 6: out of the hole that that's not where he is
Speaker 6: in his career. So talking about him in a way,
Speaker 6: and maybe that's not where you're going with it, but
Speaker 6: like he's a he's being gifted his spot.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe let me put it this way.
Speaker 4: In the basketball terms, people saw, you know, saw Clay
Speaker 4: Tops and I with the MAVs this year, I said,
Speaker 4: don't look for the old Clay. Look for Clay who
Speaker 4: can come in here and supplement Kyrie Irving and Luka
Speaker 4: Daci anyone. If you're thinking about old Tank Lawrence, Pro
Speaker 4: Bowl guy ten second, that's not that player anymore. Can
Speaker 4: he be a part of a road tation and other
Speaker 4: guys that can help you. That's what I'm looking for him.
Speaker 4: And so that's where I kind of go to this
Speaker 4: thing of people. We got Tank Lawrens, which he's an
Speaker 4: older player. Yeah, and it gets a point time where
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna have to to get the best
Speaker 4: out of him. You're gonna have to limit his snaps
Speaker 4: as well, and it's going to have to have other
Speaker 4: people help out to get the best version of the player.
Speaker 4: I think dan Quinn did a really good job with
Speaker 4: Foler and how he used him as a starter man.
Speaker 4: That guy can't go out here, but he put him
Speaker 4: in the right places and he was able to make plays.
Speaker 4: And that's my thing with Zimmer. How are you going
Speaker 4: to utilize the Marcus Lawrens if we're trying to use
Speaker 4: the markeuts lords like old time? No, you know, Klay
Speaker 4: Thomson can't be no splash brother anymore. Those days are gone.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of my thing. There's just how do
Speaker 4: we realistically look at Tank Lawns and how he can
Speaker 4: help this football team?
Speaker 2: All right, guys, this is fun.
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Speaker 2: Came out Monday. There you go, good shows, You sit
Speaker 2: in the chair, you go ahead, do your thing.
Speaker 6: You know, I will I'm waiting on the Emmy. The
Speaker 6: Memmy is gonna follow. Let me sit over there enough
Speaker 6: times still sixteen he used as a doorstop at the doorstop.
Speaker 2: Now he got there. Let people yeah.
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