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Speaker 2: Right, guys, we've talked about it before.

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Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer, defensive coordinator, what he liked to play with

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota and it's like when he got here, not

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Speaker 4: what they did. So a trade was made with the

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Speaker 4: New York Football Giants for Jordan Phillips six for six,

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Speaker 4: three hundred and forty.

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Speaker 2: One pounds, A big boy, big man. That's a big man.

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Speaker 4: So one technique he got Mozzie Smith. By the way,

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Speaker 4: nobody's giving up on Mozzie Smith. So we can put

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Speaker 4: that out there. This isn't a you know, Mazie, you stink.

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Speaker 4: This is a hey, we need some more reinforcements. We

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Speaker 4: need some help, and Carl Davis is gonna be Carl

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Speaker 4: Davis is going to be going out.

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Speaker 2: So start right now, church with you thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Well, like we always talked about, you know, with the carpenter,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna need his tools, and obviously the tools he

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Speaker 5: had in his shit, you know, weren't sharp enough.

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Speaker 2: So they went out.

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Speaker 5: There and he Carl Larson, come on in here, Phillips,

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Speaker 5: come on in here to if not, if at the

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Speaker 5: very worst, provide some depth over there. So to me,

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Speaker 5: Mike Zimber is saying, the guys in the building that

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Speaker 5: he had in there, which are you know, Mizzie Smith,

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Speaker 5: we long gotta worry about os. I think Osa, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be an outstanding player, that one,

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Speaker 5: right one, Yeah, just at the one taken.

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Speaker 2: We need some more reinforcements in there.

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Speaker 5: And they went out there and they grabbed a few

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Speaker 5: guys that can go in there, and at the very worst,

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Speaker 5: clog the holes up. And you know, Phillips has been

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Speaker 5: proven to be a guy that can hold offensive lineman

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Speaker 5: from getting to that second level. When he was in Buffalo,

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Speaker 5: he was able to do that. And you saw what

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Speaker 5: Matt Malona was able to do at the linebacker position.

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Speaker 5: He was one of the best linebackers for a while

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Speaker 5: there with the Buffalo Bills before his injury.

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Speaker 2: So we've seen these guys. They have the capability of

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Speaker 2: doing just that, and that's what the Cowboys need. They

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Speaker 2: don't need guys that are just you know, Aaron Donald's this, that,

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Speaker 5: They need people to do their job and do it

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Speaker 5: well consistently, not just you know, a flash in the

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Speaker 5: pan here and there. They need their guys to be

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Speaker 5: able to sit in the gap, make sure that that

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Speaker 5: run ain't coming through this gap and at the very worst,

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Speaker 5: that offsive lineman doesn't get to the second level. Because

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Speaker 5: we got speed everywhere on that second level, we got

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Speaker 5: to be able to use that speed. So he bringing

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Speaker 5: these guys in. They're consistent at what they do. They're

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Speaker 5: not flashy, they're not gonna be wow, pop off the tape,

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Speaker 5: but they're gonna do their job. Consistently, and that's what

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Speaker 5: Zien brought in here. He brought some more tools in

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Speaker 5: here to sharping up what he already has, and hopefully

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Speaker 5: the carpenter has what he needs.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: My MIC's not working, guys, so what I'm gonna have

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Speaker 6: to do. We're good now, I agree. And I think

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Speaker 6: we were talking about Zim before and I think you

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Speaker 6: even before in the off season, you were talking about

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Speaker 6: guys like Linval Joseph and the kind of prototypical guys

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Speaker 6: that kept when he starts making his dish, his signature editions.

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Speaker 2: These are the prototypical.

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Speaker 6: Guys that he has standing in those a gaps but

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Speaker 6: Mickey Spagnola, and Mickey taught me about these free agent acquisitions,

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Speaker 6: and I'm telling you it was I'll tell you a

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Speaker 6: I was excited.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we got were about to run that.

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Speaker 6: Mickey looked at Mickey looked at it, didn't even look

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Speaker 6: up from his notepad when he said he was like,

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Speaker 6: You know, And I was like, wait, wait a minute, man,

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Speaker 6: we need the safety and how was nice back in

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Speaker 6: that's when I look at these guys and I say,

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Speaker 6: especially a guy like Jordan Phillips because of his side,

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Speaker 6: specifically what he could do on this defense, that's all

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Speaker 6: we need him for. That's all we needed. And we

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Speaker 6: were talking about that rotational piece behind Manzi because.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna need that.

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Speaker 6: He's still maturing into the position, and before he gets

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Speaker 6: to that point, you need a guy that could come

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Speaker 6: you need a good rotation.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 6: Guys like Chauncey Ghoston is starting to turn it around

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Speaker 6: and you start to see him fit into that rotation.

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Speaker 6: But right now, that one tech you just it's a

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Speaker 6: lot of questions around that position, and I think you

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Speaker 6: had to get a guy in here like Phil because

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Speaker 6: they wave Carl Davis, another big body, a guy that

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Speaker 6: kind of fits the same mold of Jordan Phillips. But

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Speaker 6: you just need a guy not to get drove off

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Speaker 6: the ball. And I just look, before I get excited

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Speaker 6: about these pigs, I'm like, look, man, I've seen this

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Speaker 6: movie before. It was The dun Terry Poe, Everson Griffith.

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Speaker 6: I saw that movie, Starry Jerald McCoy.

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Speaker 2: Yo. We need we need help up front.

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Speaker 6: We need guys that can play the position and the

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Speaker 6: role that Mike Zimmer wants him to. And so I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm loving this, but I want to see if guys

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't want to call him a

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Speaker 6: But I think he's a guy that you come in with.

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Speaker 6: If you have over expectations for him, I think you

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Speaker 4: Game one the Cleveland Brown Yes, sir, Does anybody remember

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Speaker 4: the last time the Cowboys and Browns played it against

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Speaker 2: Oh man sixteen? Was it was brother of forty nine

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Speaker 2: thirty eight games? Yeah? That was that was bad. What

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Speaker 2: do we know? What do we know? It was.

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Speaker 4: It was here here, right, yeah, here. So what do

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Speaker 4: we know about kevin'spein he likes U. Let me give

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Speaker 4: you statistics from that last game. Forty carries for three

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Speaker 2: I can still see that Odell Beckham reverse. Yes, remember,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two carries seventy three yards, one touchdown, put the

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Speaker 4: Thirteen carries ninety five yards. They're going game one, Cleveland's

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Speaker 4: that's when I saw the Phillips thing about okay, okay, good.

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Speaker 4: We don't know what you're going to get from Mizzie Smith.

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Speaker 4: We're not on the trust level with Mazzi yet, so

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Speaker 4: there needs to be some more help.

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Speaker 2: Carl Davis, I gotna.

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Speaker 4: Be the guy, so okay, and let's not be surprised

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Speaker 4: if they make another move. Yeah, as we start to

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Speaker 4: see these cuts here, this needs to be a parcels like.

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Speaker 2: Philosophy as they go forward.

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Speaker 4: At this one tech is you need to just be

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Speaker 4: keep churning the bottom of the roster, keep on turning.

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Speaker 2: Folks need to be at it was Monday in a

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Speaker 4: We need to be looking to see a bunch of

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Speaker 4: big boys out here every Monday.

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Speaker 2: Can you see some big.

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Speaker 4: Old boys every week until you find who can get

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, just keep bringing up it. You

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Speaker 2: look like Vince Woolford, look look like refrigerator. Just keep

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Speaker 6: We just say, continue to mine these other rosters, and

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Speaker 6: I mean it like it's mining, going through everything you

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Speaker 6: what Will McLay is doing, making sure that he's keeping

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Speaker 2: I mean, we got to stop the run.

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Speaker 6: Everybody knows that Mike Zimmer came in under the pretense

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Speaker 6: that that's the job that I'm here to take care of.

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Speaker 6: I know these guys in the secondary are gonna be fine.

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Speaker 6: Where we're getting beat at is upfront and in the trenches.

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Speaker 2: We've seen it.

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Speaker 6: You can go through many games last season where the

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Speaker 5: And when it comes to Zimmer's defense, I mean we

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Speaker 5: look at here. You know the nozcer got Mizi Carl.

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Speaker 5: You know, justin Rodgers all with his defense, you're not

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Speaker 2: That's just not how how he operates. He does.

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Speaker 5: You know, dan Quinn had a lot of that down

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Speaker 5: safety where he's gonna have you know, you know seven

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Speaker 2: Loves to have that too high sell.

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Speaker 5: And if you can't stop the running that too hot shell,

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Speaker 5: it's curtains curse. You don't have somebody on the inside

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Speaker 2: It's curtains for you because you just don't have enough

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Speaker 5: And I don't think he's gonna switch up his whole

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Speaker 5: to me, it's of the utmost importance to find somebody

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Speaker 2: You got to when you have a two high system

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Speaker 6: That's why you gotta have linebackers all so that can

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Speaker 6: And Eric Hendrick we hadn't got an opportunity to see

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Speaker 6: So even coming into this second game, Barry, for you

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Speaker 4: Oh if if your if your D line could stop

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Speaker 4: the run, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: If if hopes and dreams, hopes and dreams.

444
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Speaker 4: But with those two guys out there, all right, I

445
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Speaker 4: I if you can stop the.

446
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Speaker 2: Run, this could be something good. But those two.

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Speaker 5: Guys, that sounds it's like somebody sliding that that hope

448
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Speaker 5: you unpacked.

449
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Speaker 2: A little bit. Man, I don't know. I don't know

450
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Speaker 2: because I still got you know, them off that what

451
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Speaker 2: this D line gonna do?

452
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Speaker 5: I gotta see what this D line gonna do? Because

453
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Speaker 5: it's great if you can get teams in the third

454
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Speaker 5: and eighth and tens sure where they're gonna have to

455
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Speaker 5: put it up in there, and you know you got

456
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Speaker 5: the secondary that can that can hold it down.

457
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Speaker 2: But the teams are sitting there, you.

458
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Speaker 5: Know, third and threes, third and two's, third and fours

459
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Speaker 5: like because it's a lot different because you're not last

460
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Speaker 5: year quarterback. To sit back there, five step drop, try

461
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Speaker 5: to find somebody open while Parsons is breathing down your neck,

462
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Speaker 5: while the Marcus Lawrence is breathing down your neck.

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Speaker 2: Third and three is certain tunes. That's easy, quick slant here,

464
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Speaker 2: run there.

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Speaker 5: So I love what we have on the outside when

466
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Speaker 5: it comes to the corners and that slot corner as

467
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Speaker 5: well with Jordan lou the safety everybody. I love that

468
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Speaker 5: second level. If the defensive line can come to play,

469
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Speaker 5: then we then we cook it with grease.

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Speaker 2: But if the run game continues the rear, it's ugly ahead.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that it's just gonna be frustrations over and over again.

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Speaker 2: CBC. That's that. That's that. That that your football knowledge, right.

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Speaker 6: We just had to did a whole segment on the

474
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Speaker 6: defensive line, and we're trying to we're trying to fan

475
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Speaker 6: it out and get a little bit of praise on

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Speaker 6: the secondary.

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Speaker 2: But you're just not gonna allow it.

478
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Speaker 6: Are You're not gonna You're not gonna You're not gonna

479
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Speaker 6: look real, You're not gonna let the good vibes.

480
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Speaker 2: You know, you can't create no good vibes in the studio.

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Speaker 2: I'll feel you. I mean, I'm with you on that too.

482
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Speaker 6: I just think that one thing about last season, I

483
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Speaker 6: thought that Deron Bland just showed you, you know, look

484
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Speaker 6: how dynamic that secondary can be based off. I mean,

485
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Speaker 6: five nine pigs, five touchdowns and I for me, I

486
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Speaker 6: was sitting there going, man, what you know, tray Von

487
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Speaker 6: that's his What would tray.

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Speaker 2: Vonn have done with that?

489
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Speaker 6: And and now these two playmakers on the field, I

490
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Speaker 6: absolutely love the way that they're the approach that they're

491
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Speaker 6: taking with Trayvon Diggs, you know he is and Mike

492
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Speaker 6: McCarthy will never get credit for the way that he

493
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Speaker 6: manages his players. Uh and this in this in this

494
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Speaker 6: staff obviously medical staff, Britt Brown and the job that

495
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Speaker 6: he does. But it's just one of those things where

496
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Speaker 6: you need your playmakers. Now, you need your guys, and

497
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Speaker 6: maybe that defensive line will that the defense line will

498
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Speaker 6: definitely save you and make life easier for you. But

499
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Speaker 6: if these guys can cover and look get interceptions, I

500
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Speaker 6: think that changes the whole dynamic of this defense period.

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Speaker 6: But you can't be in those situations where it's thirty

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Speaker 6: one thirty three and expect to be successful.

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Speaker 5: One thing I will say about the secondary as well,

504
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Speaker 5: that could be an interesting dynamic going into this year.

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Speaker 5: You got you know, Bland over here, you got Diggs

506
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Speaker 5: over here, both outstanding at what they do. They're gambler

507
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Speaker 5: type corners. You never want to take that away. You

508
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Speaker 5: never want to take that away. You always want them

509
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Speaker 5: to have that gambler mentality. But what last year, which

510
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Speaker 5: you had was Bland who was the gambler, but you

511
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Speaker 5: also had that guy in Stefan Gilmour on the other side,

512
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Speaker 5: who was just mister consistency technician. If you need me, hey, Bland,

513
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Speaker 5: struggling on this guy, let me slide him over there,

514
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Speaker 5: and he's gonna let he might not get a lot

515
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Speaker 5: of picks for you.

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Speaker 2: But he's gonna lock that guy down the outside. So

517
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Speaker 2: it's just gonna be real interesting.

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Speaker 5: And I know it's a different system and different you know,

519
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 5: you're gonna have too high safety, so maybe they keep

520
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Speaker 5: everything in front of them, but that's just really you know,

521
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: you got two gambles on the outside. You know, it's

522
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Speaker 5: a lot of double moves, all of situations like that.

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Speaker 5: You know, I want to see how it works out.

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Speaker 5: I just want to see how same for the most part.

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Speaker 6: I think for the most part the other night, Zimmer

526
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Speaker 6: state in zone for a lot of the game. He

527
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Speaker 6: did stayed in the zone for a lot of the game,

528
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Speaker 6: and I think that these guys have a different skill

529
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Speaker 6: set where they can fluctuate and do both. Last season

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Speaker 6: also with Gilmore, he just allows you to play quarters

531
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Speaker 6: in different sides of the field because you knew what

532
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Speaker 6: he was going to do on his side. I don't

533
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Speaker 6: know what I'm more interested in is what version of

534
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Speaker 6: digs we get, you know, Trayvon coming off of it.

535
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Speaker 6: I mean, everybody's going to be looking at it. Trust me,

536
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Speaker 6: Cleveland is going to trust that. They are going to

537
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 6: test at ACL. They want to know if you still

538
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 6: got that gambler mentality in you, if you're going to

539
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 6: break on that ball the same and once the tape

540
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 6: gets out, then other teams will start going, oh, okay,

541
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 6: he can't do this anymore, or he still falls for this.

542
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Speaker 6: And so that's where I started to say, with his

543
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 6: talent that he has, maybe you're looking at a guy

544
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Speaker 6: that may not pull the trigger as quickly as he

545
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 6: has been known for. I mean, we know that he

546
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 6: sound technically, and to see him in camp getting those

547
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 6: those interceptions, I mean that really kind of look that

548
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 6: raises your level of hope for him and coming back

549
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Speaker 6: I got a fresh pack.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't wait for the family re

551
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Speaker 2: union on the eighth. Boy, I'm rolling it out.

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Speaker 4: The great Hall of Famer Warren Sap said it, and

553
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Speaker 4: I believe in it all day long.

554
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Speaker 2: The back don't work without the front, That's true.

555
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: And so depending on what we see from Jordan Phillips,

556
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Speaker 4: who they made a trade for Mazzie Smith here and

557
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 4: especially for Mazie in this next preseason game, when the

558
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 4: cut lists come out, every year, we're going to see

559
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Speaker 4: somebody on the cut list that we're not expecting, or

560
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Speaker 4: a team is really willing to trade a certain player

561
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Speaker 4: because they don't want to pay the salary.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just how the league works.

563
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: What will be the Cowboys appetite to possibly make another

564
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 4: move at the defensive tackle spot to shore this up?

565
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: This These are going to be things that I'm I'm

566
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: very kind of keen on looking at because man, if this,

567
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: if they allow this to be the reason why they

568
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: can't play the kind of football they want. Looking at

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00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 4: the way the schedules tax up, now, that's not all in.

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Speaker 2: That's not all in.

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00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: These two moves are bringing in losson and Phillips showed you, okay,

572
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Speaker 4: we don't have Steven. You always be fond of this line.

573
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: I was just laughed at. We like our guys.

574
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody else.

575
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: Does, nobody at all, none of us watching this likeness.

576
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 4: So that was just one more proof, like, no, you

577
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Speaker 4: don't because here you are, you signed loss in and

578
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 4: you made a trade for Phillips.

579
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Speaker 2: I don't.

580
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Speaker 4: I don't know if they're done yet. We'll have to see.

581
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 4: So this these to me, these are moves that that

582
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Speaker 4: are going to dictate a lot of the season because

583
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Speaker 4: how you start.

584
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: And if.

585
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: I remember when they lost this game forty nine thirty

586
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Speaker 4: eight by the way to Cowboys scored twenty four and

587
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: fourth Cleveland took it to him. It was deaf Con five.

588
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 4: Remember it was early in the season. This was game four.

589
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: This is game one. Cowboy fan naturally just thinks, you know,

590
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: it clean beat Cleveland. And so if it's not that way,

591
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: you know, we know what's gonna be around here.

592
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: Oh it won.

593
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: What's gonna be around here? It is, so so we

594
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do. So gotta stop to run

595
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: here right out of the gate, and you got a

596
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Speaker 4: bunch of other teams are gonna want to run at you.

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00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: So anyway that that that's just.

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Speaker 6: My I think the difference is between dan Quinn's defense

599
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 6: and you saw this a lot in the in the playoffs,

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00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 6: where guys were so in a hurry to get up

601
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Speaker 6: the field, they were getting trapped, blocked on the backside

602
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Speaker 6: school you know, out of the hole, just ran out.

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Speaker 6: This is I think Zimmer brings in a style of

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Speaker 6: play that's going to really compliment some of the personnel

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Speaker 6: that he has. Some of those guys were just really

606
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Speaker 6: reckless and what they were doing and just leaving open

607
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 6: those gaping holes, and you don't want to obviously, you

608
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 6: can't have that, uh this season. So I look, I'm

609
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 6: looking for that to be the difference in this defense,

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Speaker 6: but also guys that can help michaelh be the best

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Speaker 6: that he can be, because I'm telling you, if he

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Speaker 6: can terrorize at the line of scrimmage, that changes a

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Speaker 6: lot of that.

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Speaker 2: All Right, you stopped the run.

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Speaker 6: You stopped the run, and Mike is terrorizing at the

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Speaker 6: line of scrimmage, then you're just second.

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Speaker 2: Half of your defense. Let's get another break. Let's got

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Speaker 6: For more information, visit Dallascowboys dot com slash training camp.

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Speaker 4: Alrighty, heck Maharris a preseason game number two Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: And last man there, bring me a ticket to that game? Man,

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Speaker 6: you could have brought me out the Vegas do.

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Speaker 2: Then they've so that Saturday seventeenth.

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Speaker 4: Then they practice Tuesday August twenty twentieth, and then August

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Speaker 4: twenty first. Then they got their other preseason game against

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Speaker 4: the Chargers. Then Cowboy training camp comes here to Frisco.

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Speaker 4: So training camp dates August twenty seventh. That's Cowboys Night.

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Speaker 4: August twenty eighth is the season kickoff ceremony. So there

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Speaker 4: you go, there you go, uh twenty seventh, I missed

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Speaker 4: down one?

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Speaker 2: What you mean?

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Speaker 4: Except man any night, oh Cowboys, he collected my BA

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Speaker 4: you collected Cowboy broadcast team is up for a lou

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Speaker 4: of them slew so and then you got a couple

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Speaker 4: of people like Kyle the Omens already won. He's already

676
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Speaker 4: got one in the bag as so as Isaiah stand back.

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Speaker 4: So he got two more coming, you know right, they

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Speaker 4: potentially have more more coming. So you go get your statue.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, there's a bunch of people next right, all

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Speaker 4: dressed up.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get you an Emmy. You aligned for Amy,

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Speaker 2: not this year, not this year. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 2: me on that. Why let's get them? Yeah? How many

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Speaker 2: do you have? Now? Do you remember fourteen? Right? What

685
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Speaker 2: is it? Sixteen? Don't do that newly.

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Speaker 4: I swear that he's not about me. Guys, you got

687
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Speaker 4: a question, I don't, little fool you. Arry has a question.

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Speaker 4: We tease the question.

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Speaker 2: That's your question these emmies.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, when we get so baksally, the question was you

691
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Speaker 5: know what the book is gonna bring to the table,

692
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Speaker 5: Michael Parsons, You know he's gonna get triple double teams,

693
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Speaker 5: all that good stuff from what we have on the

694
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Speaker 5: roster now, including those additions that we just made for

695
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Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Do you see the rest of this defensive

696
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Speaker 5: line being able to windows one on ones? Because last

697
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Speaker 5: year you had Foiler who was able to do so,

698
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Speaker 5: you had Armstrong were able to do so as well.

699
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Speaker 5: Olsa did his thing last year. He's still around. Do

700
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Speaker 5: you still believe that you know these guys can win

701
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Speaker 5: their one ones because we know Michael's gonna have all

702
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Speaker 5: that attention. They're not gonna let them wreck shop. So do

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Speaker 5: you think we have went on this roster to be

704
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Speaker 5: able to win those one on ones?

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Speaker 2: Get pressure on that quarterback? Man?

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Speaker 4: This is that's a really really good question because you

707
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Speaker 4: need your one techniques to come through. So you know

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Speaker 4: Osa is sitting here with one on one. Yeah, I

709
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Speaker 4: believe Osa can get something done. So this is this

710
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Speaker 4: is such a team the question you ask is such

711
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Speaker 4: a team related deal such a team related dealer. They've

712
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Speaker 4: got to play well together and at the same time too,

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Speaker 4: How How do Zimmer and Gunther come up with the

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Speaker 4: proper scheme to get it done? Dan Quinn did a

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Speaker 4: great job of Okay, this is what I have. How

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Speaker 4: do I make it work here? I'll be interested to

717
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Speaker 4: see how they can do that, and maybe we'll see

718
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Speaker 4: a little bit more in the Raider game because against

719
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Speaker 4: the Rams they didn't do a whole.

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Speaker 2: Lot a lot of blitz and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 2: you ask a dang good question that I'll be very

722
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Speaker 2: happy to see. Okay, what happens. What happens? You guys

723
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Speaker 2: do it? Great question. Now, guys like.

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Speaker 6: Guys like Tomorrow and overshone really give me hope when

725
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Speaker 6: I look at him and what his skill set and

726
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Speaker 6: his abilities are. You know, when you mentioned those names

727
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Speaker 6: the guys that we lost that went on to the commanders,

728
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Speaker 6: I know that you know Dante Fowler was that gadget guy.

729
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Speaker 6: I mean, you k knowe what you put him in

730
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Speaker 6: the game for what he was the pen your years

731
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Speaker 6: back get after the quarterback. I think Armstrong probably is

732
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Speaker 6: the bigger piece that you're trying to replace because he

733
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Speaker 6: was a bit of a twiner. He could do more

734
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Speaker 6: than just think one thing. And so you look at

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Speaker 6: Chauncey Ghoston and also filling in that role. You know, Look, man,

736
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Speaker 6: when you go back to the scene of the crime

737
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Speaker 6: and green Bay and you look at what green Bay

738
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Speaker 6: did to scheme up on Micah, you ask yourself where

739
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Speaker 6: the hell was everybody else? You know, because if your

740
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Speaker 6: velcrod on blocks can't get off and Jordan Love is

741
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Speaker 6: just sitting back there patting the ball and finding whoever

742
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Speaker 6: he wants, you know, I think that's where the hesitation

743
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Speaker 6: comes in because you're saying yourself, look, how did y'all

744
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Speaker 6: get any better? Because the guys that y'all bringing in

745
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Speaker 6: a definitely not any better than the guys y'all just had. So,

746
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Speaker 6: I mean, like, to your credit, knew it that is.

747
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Speaker 6: That is a great question. But I think you have

748
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Speaker 6: some younger guys in a piece liked Marvin Overshawn that

749
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Speaker 6: you can use along with Micah that can apply that

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Speaker 6: pressure off.

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Speaker 4: So so Church bumping off what he just said, how

752
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Speaker 4: much should we expect from a guy who, while he's

753
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Speaker 4: here two, missed all of his rookie season, didn't play

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Speaker 4: a snap in the regular season. What's the baseline of

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Speaker 4: what we should truly expect from a player like Tomorrow

756
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Speaker 4: and Overshawn that has missed.

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Speaker 5: I mean, man, that's just so many different examples of

758
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Speaker 5: guys that have you missed that whole rookie season, and

759
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Speaker 5: it came out the second year super hungry and performed

760
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Speaker 5: well above the you know what people thought. But then

761
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Speaker 5: there's also those examples where you know that first year

762
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Speaker 5: heard them and he never really got that confidence back.

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Speaker 5: From what I've seen from Overshawn throughout trending camp and

764
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Speaker 5: preseason is this is a guy that's hungry, this is

765
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Speaker 5: a guy that's he wants it. You see him, he

766
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Speaker 5: pops off the tape He's not just going through the

767
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Speaker 5: motions out there, sticking on the blocks.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to make plays out there.

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Speaker 5: So to me, you know, I see a guy in

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Speaker 5: overshowing that I think he's gonna he's gonna reach over

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Speaker 5: what people believe that he can do because he just

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Speaker 5: I just see the hunger out of him. I just

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Speaker 5: see that his want to, his explosiveness off the tape,

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Speaker 5: and that's a guy that that you want in a foxhold.

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Speaker 2: That's a guy that you want to go to war with.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, I think Overshawn definitely is gonna gonna

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Speaker 5: overreach what a lot of people believe that he can

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Speaker 5: do this year. Yeah, that's the delayed gratification of a

779
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Speaker 5: player that you wish you've got an opportunity to see

780
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Speaker 5: last season. And I'm with you on everything that I

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Speaker 5: see from him in camp. He's he's moving fast, as

782
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Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy says, he does everything fast, you know, So

783
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Speaker 5: you need that kind of speed and this defense never

784
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Speaker 5: lacked for that. They just didn't have those other pieces

785
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Speaker 5: to get stops. We didn't have that other piece.

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Speaker 6: When teams found a way to slow down Micah, who

787
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Speaker 6: else was gonna step to the table and oh, by

788
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Speaker 6: the way, we still have DeMarcus Tang, Lawrens and so.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not and I'm not looking at him to

790
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Speaker 6: be that sack leader, a guy that can get out

791
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Speaker 6: and do all those things. I just think that he

792
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: is the glue when it comes down to this defense,

793
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 6: and he understands exactly what this team needs. You need

794
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Speaker 6: another playmaker in that interior and a guy just like

795
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Speaker 6: Micah that that can apply that pressure.

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Speaker 4: How much can we really ask from a guy who's

797
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Speaker 4: been doing this a decade now? His best football is

798
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Speaker 4: going he's already giving you his best football. So so realistically,

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Speaker 4: that was it.

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Speaker 2: Four sacks that he had last year?

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Speaker 4: So heckman, what do you realistically think we should be

802
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Speaker 4: expecting from from this from from tank Lord?

803
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Speaker 6: Now, if we get a double digit sack here, I

804
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Speaker 6: think we will be ecstatic, but we're not. Pay don't

805
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Speaker 6: bet on it, don't don't bet on it. I think

806
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Speaker 6: he could just be a guy that's consistent in helping

807
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Speaker 6: you stop the run. And that's what he's been showing

808
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 6: you over the last couple of couple of years. And

809
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Speaker 6: it's that it's that maturity as a player when a

810
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 6: guy loses one thing, he incorporates another and say, look,

811
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Speaker 6: my jumper ain't what it used to be. So I'm

812
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 6: gonna go down to the paint and I'm gonna get

813
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 6: rebounds and I'm gonna get these these layups for you.

814
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Speaker 6: I think that's where DeMarcus Lawrence is in his in

815
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Speaker 6: his career. That but that once that step that he

816
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Speaker 6: had on the outside. Maybe he's a step slow, all right,

817
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 6: but I still know that his ability to help stop

818
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Speaker 6: the run and again be the contonment leader that you

819
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Speaker 6: need on this defensive line.

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Speaker 2: So that was my way of kind of avoiding the question.

821
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Speaker 6: But in a sense, I still believe in his leadership

822
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 6: and I believe in him, you know, obviously still being

823
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 6: able to play at a high level and at his piece.

824
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Speaker 5: And that's to me, is why there's so much pressure

825
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: on Kneeling to show up. You know, these young guys

826
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 5: on the edge to show up, because if they're not

827
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: playing to where you know Zimber wants them to play,

828
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: then you're gonna throw more on the plate of a

829
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Speaker 5: DeMarcus Lawrence who's in year eleven, and you may ask

830
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 5: him to play, you know, five to ten snaps more

831
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Speaker 5: a game because these other young guys aren't where they

832
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: need to be at and over the stretch of what

833
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: seventeen games adds up on a vet, that adds up

834
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Speaker 5: on the vent.

835
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Speaker 4: So just looking at just sacks and I know there's

836
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: more to football than that. And Tank Lawrence has been

837
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: praised for his abilition to run game, but he had

838
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: four sacks last year.

839
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Speaker 2: Sam Williams had four and a half. Jonathan Hankins had three.

840
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Speaker 4: Big hank olsa Diggi Zoo had three, Dororin Sorstrong had

841
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: seven and a half.

842
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: They're talk about tackles for loss. Last year Tank had ten.

843
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: And so I say this in terms of if we're

844
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: just being realistic and we're talking about football players, He's

845
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: an older player. This is a hard sport and at

846
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: some point in time, and I think this has been

847
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: for me one of the problems.

848
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: I think through the years, Jerry has held on the

849
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: guys too long. If DeMarcus Lawrens.

850
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: Played in New England had probably been gone, but the

851
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 4: Cowboys keeping guys around here. So to me, I'm looking

852
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: and I'm asking the question, realistically, what should we expect

853
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: from a veteran player like DeMarcus Lawrence? If the young

854
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: kid they got from Western Michigan your second round picking,

855
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: if he can help balance this thing, that could be better.

856
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: But to sit up here and ask Tank Lawrence to

857
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 4: be what he used to be, I think you're fooling yourself.

858
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: And that's not a shot at the young man at all.

859
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 4: He's he's given the Cowboys a lot. But a certain

860
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: point in time, you got to say to yourself, Hey,

861
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: when do we admit to ourselves the players.

862
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: Not who he used to be? And that's that's just

863
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: what it is. And so how do we realistically look

864
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Speaker 2: at I mean, you know last year Tank Lawys had

865
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Speaker 2: double D D sack twenty eighteen, Yeah, that's a minute.

866
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Speaker 4: Okay, twenty nineteen, five, twenty twenty six and a half,

867
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, three, twenty twenty two.

868
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Speaker 2: Six, last year four.

869
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Speaker 6: But NOUI did you have a look at your look

870
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: at yourself and did you ever say to yourself that

871
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 6: DeMarcus Lawrence is a sack specialist. I don't think that

872
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 6: that's ever been the thing that we put on him.

873
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 6: He's never been that as a player.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 6: But also when you start evaluating this this roster, we

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Speaker 6: open up talking about two guys that we bring into

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Speaker 6: a roster that's already hurting for talent, and how you

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Speaker 6: need to continue to turn in mind to get other

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Speaker 6: guys in here that can actively be a help to you.

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Speaker 6: I think DeMarcus Lawrence, even with the number of years

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Speaker 6: that he's played in the league, is an asset to

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Speaker 6: you as a defender. We're not cutting on the tape

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Speaker 6: and seeing d law get you know, Scoop reached up

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Speaker 6: out of the hole that that's not where he is

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Speaker 6: in his career. So talking about him in a way,

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Speaker 6: and maybe that's not where you're going with it, but

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Speaker 6: like he's a he's being gifted his spot.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe let me put it this way.

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Speaker 4: In the basketball terms, people saw, you know, saw Clay

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Speaker 4: Tops and I with the MAVs this year, I said,

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Speaker 4: don't look for the old Clay. Look for Clay who

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Speaker 4: can come in here and supplement Kyrie Irving and Luka

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Speaker 4: Daci anyone. If you're thinking about old Tank Lawrence, Pro

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Speaker 4: Bowl guy ten second, that's not that player anymore. Can

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Speaker 4: he be a part of a road tation and other

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Speaker 4: guys that can help you. That's what I'm looking for him.

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Speaker 4: And so that's where I kind of go to this

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Speaker 4: thing of people. We got Tank Lawrens, which he's an

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Speaker 4: older player. Yeah, and it gets a point time where

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Speaker 4: you know you're gonna have to to get the best

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Speaker 4: out of him. You're gonna have to limit his snaps

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Speaker 4: as well, and it's going to have to have other

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Speaker 4: people help out to get the best version of the player.

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Speaker 4: I think dan Quinn did a really good job with

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Speaker 4: Foler and how he used him as a starter man.

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Speaker 4: That guy can't go out here, but he put him

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Speaker 4: in the right places and he was able to make plays.

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Speaker 4: And that's my thing with Zimmer. How are you going

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Speaker 4: to utilize the Marcus Lawrens if we're trying to use

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Speaker 4: the markeuts lords like old time? No, you know, Klay

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Speaker 4: Thomson can't be no splash brother anymore. Those days are gone.

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of my thing. There's just how do

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Speaker 4: we realistically look at Tank Lawns and how he can

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Speaker 4: help this football team?

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, this is fun.

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Speaker 6: So Monday we're back, Monday, Monday, Friday, Monday, Friday.

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Speaker 2: Came out Monday. There you go, good shows, You sit

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Speaker 2: in the chair, you go ahead, do your thing.

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Speaker 6: You know, I will I'm waiting on the Emmy. The

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Speaker 6: Memmy is gonna follow. Let me sit over there enough

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Speaker 6: times still sixteen he used as a doorstop at the doorstop.

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Speaker 2: Now he got there. Let people yeah.

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Speaker 6: Hold.

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