1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ? Bucky 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: here with you? Buck? How you doing, man, Man, I'm good. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: I am good. Despite some of the news that's coming 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: out about college football, that's a little sad. I'm still 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: holding no hope that uh some things, some things won't change. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: You will get a chance to see some football outside 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: of the NFL football this fall. I was talking to 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: a buddy um and scouting world earlier today and he 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: brought up the point that was interesting. I didn't even 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: think about this, but his pro days he was assigned 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: to go to were a little bit later, you know, 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: because we only got those first couple of pro days 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: before everything shut down. He goes, think about this, and 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: the last time I wore an NFL POLO to a 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: to a job event was the NFL Scouting Combine. And 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: he said, the next time, potentially that I were a 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: POLO to an NFL scouting event, not having been to 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the team facility, not having been the colleges, might be 20 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: the NFL sc on a combine. Now, that's under the 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: assumption that scouts, even if you go you scouting company, 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: it might be longer than a year. Like if you 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: imagine that where you're employed, like he might go, he 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: might go over a calendar year between seeing his general 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: manager his boss. Is that crazy? Okay? So given that, 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: do you still get the new stuff? Because you know 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: what training camp opening up? That was always kind of 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: like you, Yeah, get all you get your hoodies and 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: your polos. And trust me, if somebody from the charges 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: is listening, I'm I'm waiting. I've not got my shipment here. 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: When you do the broadcast stuff they give you wait, wait, wait, 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: my little good my goodie bag from the time you've 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: got you've got something coming your way too. So it's what, 34 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: you know, what's funny about that? If people will laugh 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: about this, I don't. I don't care about you know, jackets, polos, 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. The NFL team issued shorts are the 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: most comfortable best, like whooping, whooping, running going into the 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: grocery store. They're the best shorts ever. I've never found 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: shorts are as more as comfortable as the team issued shorts. 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: You get. I hate to men being the chief skate 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: as a scout, but you remember how you you waited 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: for the shoes because you like a year without usually 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: get you get like two or three. They should give 44 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you like two or three shoes like you're good. Yeah, 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: so we get we get some shoes, um, some shorts, 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: a couple of polos and stuff like that. Yeah. But 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. It's funny that you brought up the 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: combine because I've heard people talk about the combine and 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine the scouting combine being what it 50 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: once was. I cannot imagine the visuals, the pictures that 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: we've seen of all the scals hovered in the stands, 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: uh with the Stopwatch, I can't imagine it being that. Again, 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I can't. And also from a cost standpoint, I don't 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: know if ownership and those things are gonna be comfortable 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: sending Hey, let's send twelve fifteen of our scouts not 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: happening now, that's not gonna happen that. I just can't 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: imagine that being I can imagine that being the deal anymore. 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: I don't know if we would just have a virtual 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: combine with just the top decision makers in the building 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: and everybody kind of watching it from afar, But I 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine it would be the comma that we have 62 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: kind of grown accustomed to seeing the last I mean decade, 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: two decades, you know. Yeah, No, I don't. I don't 64 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: think it will be I think it's going to be different. Um, 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna lead us to things being different. To our 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: conversation that we have today on the podcast. We've got 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: our buddy Joel Clatt that's going to join the show. Um, 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: who's uh really somebody always has a unique take on 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: everything that's going on in the college football world. And 70 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: it's unprecedented what we're going through right now and potentially 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: losing in college football season something none of us could 72 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: have ever foreseen. But yet here we are. Um. So 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Joel's somebody that's great to talk to and we have 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: a lengthy conversation we're gonna get to in just a 75 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: minute with him. But I do want to encourage people. 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: We've we threw it out there the other day about 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: leaving us some reviews and ratings on Apple Podcasts, and 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: you guys have been great about that. And one of 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: the things we asked you to do is, uh, we 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: always talk about who's the best high school player that 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: you've ever seen, maybe you played against him, Maybe a 82 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: song maybe your brother you know, played against him at 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: some point in time. But the best high school football 84 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: player you've ever laid ice on, We've already started to 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: get some interesting answers on that. Um. I think Ronald 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: Curry was one of them that came up. Who you 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: know about? You know about for sure. So so there's 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: been some some fun answers on there. So continue to 89 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: leave those fourts if you haven't done it already, let 90 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: us know the best high school player you've ever seen 91 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: in the Apple Podcast reviews, and we'll have an episode 92 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: where we kind of lay all those out and see 93 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: if we get some interesting names. Um. But with that 94 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: in mind, let's just get to the conversation here. This 95 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: is a great chat we had with our buddy from 96 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: Fox Sports, with Joe Klatt. All Right, Buck excited to 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: have our good buddy Joel Clatten joining the show. And Joel, 98 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I guess first of all, we'll get into all the 99 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: serious stuff and and college football, what it means for 100 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: the draft in the NFL and all that, but I 101 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: have a drive. I'm thinking my oldest off to college 102 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: this week. So a big, big, big moment here in 103 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: the Jeremiah household. But I've got a drive. I've got 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: like an eighteen hour drive going back to the scouting days. 105 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: And I know you. I know you like to read. 106 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: I know you're a big You're a big reader in 107 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the off season. So I need a book. I need 108 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: a book on tape recommendation for my drive from you. 109 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, I'm like, I'm big into the like 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: business or leadership books and things like that. So, uh, 111 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: here are some of my absolute favorites. Uh, Goldpower Doesn't 112 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: Work by Benjamin Hardy. That's an incredible book. Write some 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: liking great principles there Um anything by Tim Barrett's I 114 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: think is phenomenal. Um good to great, like that one 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: Collins is a good one. Uh. Start with Why by 116 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: Simon Sinek. That's a really good one. You know what's 117 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: even better is the book by Simon Sinek. Um. But 118 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: Simon Sinek, I'm looking forward to meeting him one day. 119 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, you're good, you're good, You're good. You 120 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: know what it's it's it's all good. Uh. And then 121 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: let's see and then my my maybe my all time favorite. 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: That's more of like a novel, even though it's it's 123 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: actually like a lot of real history and it's actually 124 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: a true story both the Boys in the Boat is 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: uh an incredible book about the Washington Husky Crew team 126 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: UM in nineteen thirty six. I'm going to say because 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: it's okay, it's actually it's it's my favorite book. I 128 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: read it maybe faster, which doesn't didn't say much, but 129 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: I read it as fast as any book I've ever 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: read in my life. That well, look, that's uh. Those 131 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: some good tips there. And by the way, do I 132 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: need to bring crans? Are these coloring books? Are these 133 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: actually books I can read? Well, they're actually books that 134 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: you can read. But color is not that idea either. 135 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: It might it might help us with our mental health 136 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: during all this gosh, and man, could you guys just 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: providing all kinds of education, dear Joe, um, so Joe, 138 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: I just us off the top like right now, um 139 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: and thinking about college football and the landscape and what 140 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: we're going through. What's your overall just feelings on what 141 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: is taking place right now because it seems like there's 142 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: so many different things going on with the pandemic, with 143 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: players finding their voices. Just what is your overall thoughts 144 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: on the landscape college football right now, well, I mean 145 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: it's unprecedented, right, Um. I think that we've we've never 146 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: been in a position like this with what the players 147 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: are are striving for, if you will, um, as well 148 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: as what we're dealing with from a health standpoint. Players 149 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: are going to be much safer if they're actually playing 150 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: football and within the testing protocols, structure, and procedure of 151 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: what a season would entail um, rather than just out 152 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: in the normal pace of everyday life. Because here's the thing, 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: football does not pose any more significant risk than, in 154 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: particular with all the procedures and protocols than everyday life. 155 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: This virus doesn't know the boundaries between football and normal 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: life as we like call it. So I think that 157 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: that's that's a frustration, and I think that the kids 158 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: are starting to realize that, and you're seeing a lot 159 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: of them throw their voice around on social media, and 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: some of them very prevalent. The top two picks in 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the next year's draft most likely are the two guys 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: that are kind of leading the charge of saying, hey, 163 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: we want to play. Yeah, if there's never been anything 164 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: like it, Joan, When when you talk to coaches, college coaches, 165 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: what's been their reaction. What I don't think people have 166 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: thought through kind of the fallout if if this happens. 167 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: When you talk to some of those college coaches, what 168 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: are they saying in regards to man if this happens, 169 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: get ready for X, Y and Z. Well, Um, yeah, 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: let's just talk about a few of the factors. Um. 171 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: First and foremost, UM, what you're gonna see is a 172 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: real rise in the deterioration of the mental health of 173 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: their players, because, as you guys know, to play at 174 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: that level, you have to be singularly focused on achieving 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: at a high level and being committed to your craft 176 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: in order to be there. And when that's ripped away 177 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: from you without you having a stay in it whatsoever, 178 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: that has a real toll negatively on the your mental state. 179 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: All of us whoever were told that, hey, you're not 180 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: good enough anymore, went through that, right like when when 181 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: sports ends for any of us, we go through that. 182 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine it being ripped out from under 183 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: me like a like a rug from under my feet 184 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: when I'm preparing for let's say, my senior year in 185 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: college or junior year in college. So I think that 186 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: that's tough and and what comes with that, guys, is 187 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: actually pretty catastrophic substance abuse, opioid abuse, alcohol abuse, potentially 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: in deterioration to the point where suicide becomes prevalent. And 189 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: I know that that's you know, that's dark, but remember 190 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: the second leading cause of death in this age group 191 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: is suicide in the country. UM. And so this is 192 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: these are factor is that that we have to at 193 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: least consider, right Uh. And that's just the human impact 194 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: and toal much less when you talk about the institutional 195 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: financial impact, and in this case, the loss of opportunity 196 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: that we're going to see in terms of intercollegiate athletics 197 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: scholarships is um staggering. There's a hundred and fifty thousand, 198 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: UH scholarships available in intercollegiate athletics, and we're gonna lose 199 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of those scholarship opportunities. So we were 200 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: talking about boys and girls in every sport all over 201 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: the country that are right now trying to achieve to 202 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: the point that they could potentially get one of those 203 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: scholarships and they're not going to be available. And in 204 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, guys, that was that athletes only 205 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: path to a higher education in particular with the rising 206 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: costs and just outrageous costs of college. You talked about 207 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: driving your kids to college. I mean, you know exactly 208 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, right, Like, those scholarship opportunities are 209 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: a lifeline to thousands of boys and girls across the country, 210 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: and we're gonna lose that. That's just a couple of 211 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: the impact that we're going to see from from a 212 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: loss of a season. Um, and and there are more, 213 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, so, uh, this is it's not a good time, guys, 214 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: that it did not you know, Joe is it's interesting 215 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: that you you brought that up because I am worried 216 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: about the young athletes and what happens if the season 217 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: is postponed? Does that mean they're ushered off of campus? 218 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: They go back to their respective homes and neighborhoods. Are 219 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: coaches allowed to be around them so they can kind 220 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: of provide the structure that all the young kids, young 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: athletes kind of need. They're so used to their routine 222 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: when you talk to coaches or you've kind of thrown 223 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: this around whatever they said, the next steps are if 224 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: there is a postponement of the season. Well, they don't know, 225 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: right because they don't know what's going to happen. They 226 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: don't know if the Because here's the thing. If if 227 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: under the guise of health and safety, you say that like, well, 228 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: just like we can't do it, like football is just impossible, 229 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: doesn't that mean that lifting is dangerous and and tutoring 230 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: sessions are dangerous, and you know the training room is dangerous, 231 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: and eating um meal plan and training table is dangerous. 232 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: See that? This is what I don't understand if if 233 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: if you think that that's all too dangerous, then guess 234 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: what the next step is? Isolation and quarantine the next 235 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: safer spot for a college football player rather than in 236 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: the testing protocols of twice a week testing and the 237 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: constant UH monitoring from athletic training staff and medical professionals. 238 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: The only way to get safer than that is to 239 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: be in quarantine. Right Like all I heard of all 240 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: summer is I can't wait to open these campuses because 241 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: we can care for the athletes better here than they 242 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: can be cared for at home. So what Bucky bring 243 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: up a great question and and no one's talking about that. Well, okay, 244 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: so we cancel, what does that mean for the student athlete? 245 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: Go home? Like that's that's an awful, awful, um thought 246 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: because remember, in some cases, and maybe in many cases, 247 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: they're going to areas that are much harder hit by 248 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: the community spread of this virus, and they're going to 249 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: homes that are multigenerational, which that's where you really get 250 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: into the danger because remember, for college age kids, you know, 251 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: they're under greater threat from car accident, thomicide, suicide, heart disease, 252 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: and they are from um this virus, even lightning strikes. 253 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: But when you're getting into the older subset of the population, 254 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: that's where it's really dangerous. And this is the data 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: that is available from the CDC. This is not an opinion. 256 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: So you know, again, I think that you are hosing 257 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: greater threat to the community and sometimes these players families 258 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: by just saying like, hey, we're gonna pump on the season. 259 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: And and the reason that they're going to pump on 260 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: the season these presidents is because of liability. And I 261 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: think that that's and yet they won't they won't ever 262 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: say that, Bucky. They're gonna say like, well, out of 263 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: the abundance of caution, we need to not play college football. 264 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: That's a lie, right, That's that's false. It is because 265 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: we don't want to get sued by the ever growing 266 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: number of plaintiff lawyers throughout the country. We're gonna punt 267 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: on the season. That's what it should read, but it won't. 268 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: What do you say, Joel, because you're you'll hear this 269 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've probably even heard it on Twitter already, 270 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: what do you say to the people that will mention um, 271 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, uh Phoenees mom who was a player to 272 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Indiana and what she had said about, you know, some 273 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: of the issues that he's had that have lingered and 274 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: the unknown about the long term health effects. And so 275 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: that's the argument from the other side is we don't 276 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: know the long term so you know, you meant liability 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: is a big part of that. But how do you 278 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: put them in quote unquote harm's way and put your 279 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: your yourself and a liability position not knowing the long 280 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: term impact. Well, I absolutely understand that, but remember I 281 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: think that even uh the Phoenies would have to admit 282 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: that he's under better care from knowing that he got 283 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: the disease because he was being tested and then under 284 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: immediate care and monitoring of trained professionals and medical professionals, 285 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: rather than just being out in the population with an 286 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: asymptomatic case potentially um not knowing that he has it 287 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and and suffering from some of these same effects. Right, So, 288 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: like that the partiac aspect of this is really and 289 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: to some extent, guys, we don't really know what the 290 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: case is, right. We've heard a lot about anecdotal evidence, 291 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: and there's some anecdotal evidence that the long term health 292 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: impacts could be serious. But but football doesn't exacerbate those 293 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: long term effects, right, Like, these are gonna show up 294 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: because of the virus, not because of football. So so 295 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: let's not get into a conversation where we're saying football 296 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: is more dangerous because of long term health effects. The 297 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: virus may have long term health effects, and we could 298 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: potentially be putting players into a situation where they're more 299 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: likely to contract the virus and not know it. That's 300 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: more dangerous, right, Like, So gosh, it seems very clear 301 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: to me. But but again I'm not in in the room. 302 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, listen, these are all these are 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: all concerns, and these are all things that I think 304 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: need to be debated and talked about and discussed. Um, well, 305 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: that leads me. That leads me the next question the 306 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: real quick Joel, Because this is one of the things 307 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: that I don't understand is if we're talking about a 308 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: September start date and we are as we're having this conversation, 309 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: it's August ten, why are we in a hurry to 310 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: make that decision at this point in time. I think 311 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: it's because I made this analogy earlier and it might 312 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: be a bad one. But my wife was in business 313 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: to business sales when we were first marriage. He sold copiers, 314 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: and that's not easy, right You just have to walk 315 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: in and be like, hey, do you want to spend 316 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars on a copier? Everyone's like, no, of course, 317 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: we don't want to spend the thousand dollars on a copier. Um. 318 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: But what she had to do, and what she always 319 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: talked about, is like, I have to get to the 320 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: decision maker right away, you know, like you get through 321 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: the minutia of the people that want have an opinion, 322 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: but their opinion doesn't actually matter, and you need to 323 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: get to the decision maker. A lot of people have 324 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: had have asked me, what has changed in the last 325 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: week or why are these decisions being made now UM 326 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: relevant questions. Yes, but I think it's because the actual 327 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: decision makers are actually getting into the room finally, and 328 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: that's the presidents of these universities. And where the presidents 329 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: more concerned with, uh than anything that is the monetary 330 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: um coffers of their institution, right like, that's what they're 331 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: there for, raising money, creating grants, creating larger endowments, so 332 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: on and so forth. And and when they get into 333 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: the room, gets what they see liability issues. And so 334 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: I think that's why you're seeing this bubble to the forefront, 335 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: is because those people are now getting into the room 336 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: with their concerns, and so it's no longer become hey, 337 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: how can we do this, what's the safest practices? So 338 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: on and so forth, It is Um, the decision makers 339 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: getting in the room, they are singularly focused on liability concerns. 340 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: And therefore you know they're talking about shutting it down. 341 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: And you're right, I don't understand why you would do 342 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: it now, um and not at least try to lay 343 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: out a plan that could potentially work. How about this 344 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: for a plan? How about saying, hey, every student athlete 345 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: is gonna be online classes only, so that they don't 346 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: have to mingle with the normal student population. That's why 347 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: you can create somewhat of a social bubble. You set 348 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: out games every two weeks rather than every week, so 349 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: that you can maintain UH the UH requested and or 350 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: suggested protocol of of isolation and quarantine with a positive test, 351 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: which are inevitable. By the way, positive tests are inevitable, 352 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: and so you have a greater trip chance to play 353 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: those games because you have a longer time in between 354 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: contests to isolate and quarantine those positive tests. So why 355 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: don't we play the season over eighteen and nineteen weeks? 356 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Ten games, nine games, eight games over, you know, sixteen seventeen, 357 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: eighteen weeks while these kids take online class this and 358 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: actually try to pull this off, testing them twice a week, 359 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: monitoring them, keeping them in the structure of their academic life, 360 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: he keeping them in the structure of their football life, UM, 361 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: rather than just punting. Now, so I think that there 362 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: are options. Hopefully, UH, this push from some of the 363 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: most prominent players in the country will at least stall 364 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: these decisions for the moment, and and we can move 365 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: forward with at least a chance that we could these 366 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: kids from football you know, Joe, we we understand the 367 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: revenue driver that football is not only just from an 368 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: athletics standpoint, but also from an academic standpoint. We've seen 369 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: how it coincides when you have a great football team 370 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: you're academic in terms of people applying for admission to 371 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: the school that goes up. We've seen it at Alabama 372 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: and Clemson and the life. If we don't have a 373 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: football season, how is how our colleges, how is college 374 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: football going to bounce back from a miss season? Because 375 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the consequences are severe and devastating. Yeah, they're 376 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: They're absolutely devastating. We're talking about intercollegiate athletics departments having 377 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: to cut themselves down by seventy five uh. And that's 378 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: where those loss of opportunities in scholarship. You're gonna see 379 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: non revenue sports just slashed, and more specifically boys non 380 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: revenue sports, men's non non revenue sports, because in order 381 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: to try and at least maintain football in the future, 382 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to at least um maintain the title 383 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: nine um standing and those eighty five scholarships. I think 384 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: what you'll see is the reduction of number of scholarships 385 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: within major college football from eighty five to maybe sixty 386 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: five or sixty which what what does that do? It 387 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: removes opportunity. We're talking about thousands of kids around the 388 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: country that now will not have the opportunity to go, 389 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: uh take place, um, take part in higher education because 390 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: they don't have a scholarship opportunity. That's how many of us. 391 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I would have never been able to afford going to 392 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: the University of Colorado if it weren't for the scholarship 393 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: option in my baseball contract and then ultimately a scholarship 394 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: after I walked on. Right, Like my dad was a teacher, 395 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, like I wasn't, I wasn't paying for an education. Well, 396 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be catastrophic. And like I said, I 397 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: think what you'll see is just uh an overwhelming loss 398 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: of scholarship opportunity. You're gonna see a lot of people 399 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: lose their jobs and and unfortunately, you're also gonna see 400 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: and this is something that you guys will be able 401 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: to talk about at length. You're gonna see guys without 402 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: an opportunity to increase their um value of their football future. Right, 403 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: last year, we saw a guy go from maybe a 404 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: middle round draft pick at quarterback, maybe late round draft 405 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: pick at quarterback, to the overwhelming number one pick in 406 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: the draft. Last years, last three number one's all experienced 407 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: a magic carpet rode to the number one pick with 408 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Borough Calamari and Baker Mayfield. That's exactly right, and even 409 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: think of the previous two, Bucky, but you're dead on 410 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: on that we're removing that. How about the kid that 411 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: is an undraftable player right now that gets himself into 412 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: the fifth round with the monster season, right, it's not 413 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: just the number one pick we're removing that. So again, 414 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: like the unintended consequences of just pulling the plug on 415 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: this thing are long reaching, and I think people need 416 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: to start at least acknowledging some of those effects before 417 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: they start just saying like, hey, we can't do this. 418 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I want to go to a worst case scenario, Joel, 419 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: and see how we can try and put some type 420 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: of silver lining on what could be as we've documented here, 421 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: just an awful, awful set up here. Um, if we 422 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: looked at the spring and I was talking with Bucky 423 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: about this earlier today and I don't, I don't know 424 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: where you are. I want to I want to find 425 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: out where you are on this. But I don't think 426 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: we have a chance of having a full spring, you know, 427 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen games schedule, and then coming back and having 428 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: a full full fall twelve thirteen games sched My idea 429 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: that I brought up with Bucky is if we're going 430 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: to try and give kids an opportunity to play, now, 431 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: keep in mind the draftable guys, they're gone, they're not playing, 432 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: they're done. So the Trevor Lawrence is the fields. All 433 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: those guys are out. But what you would be left 434 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: with is my my thing. I was saying, it was, Okay, 435 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: let's not let's not game for the full season. Let's 436 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: try and have the most absolute bang for our buck 437 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: and say we're gonna have four games. It's basically taking 438 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: the soccer format of where they do the friendlies. You know, 439 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: so you've got your your you knows. It's basically it's 440 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: more than spring practice, it's less than a season. It's 441 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: in the middle. It's like a four game schedule. But 442 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: if we said, okay, conference championships, National championshps, all that's 443 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: going to be pushed off to one. That ship sailed. 444 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: But what we could do is we could have the 445 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: four most incredible games you could put on your schedule, 446 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: where we can have Notre Dame versus Alabama, we can 447 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: have USC play Ohio State. We can we can take 448 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: it and just say we're gonna have the the sexiest 449 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: matchups we can. It's like a it's like a firework 450 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: Grand finale type situation where we're just gonna have the 451 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: most unbelievable months. Or you can spread it out over 452 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: six weeks, seven weeks if you want to put some 453 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: some time in between the games, but just say we're 454 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: gonna have the best uh competitions between all these different schools. 455 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: I think that that's interesting. And and let me start 456 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: with the original premise. We can't have a full season 457 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: in the spring and turn around and play a full 458 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: season in the fall. That's that's this is why everyone's like, hey, 459 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: for the safe safety and well being, we're gonna try 460 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: to play in the spring. I'm like, that's way more 461 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: dangerous for this sage group than actually playing in in 462 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: a pandemic games in six months. You don't think that 463 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: you can't do that. I mean you can't do that, right. 464 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: I was in quarterback and didn't even I had a 465 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: red Jersey on a practice. There's no way I could 466 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: have done that, you know, I mean my ribs would 467 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: have all just been broken. But anyways, I digress. So, yes, 468 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: it would have to be some sort of reduction. Now, 469 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: I think that maintaining a full season in twenty one 470 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: would be imperative for the financial model of interc be 471 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: An athletics. Therefore, I would be trying to do as 472 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: many as possible, but not trying to push the envelope 473 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: in the spring season. And yet, if you were trying 474 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: to create some sort of like hey we and and 475 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: here's the the dirty seeker in the room, what you'd 476 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: be trying to do is create as much revenue as 477 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm That's what I'm getting at. Yeah, 478 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: all right, so um, let me just lead with one 479 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: of the games that we've got to have. We've got 480 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: to have, uh, we've got to have Old miss playing Tennessee, 481 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: because I just need Lane Kippin playing Tennessee, right, Like, 482 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: that's a that's a no brainer, I think for all 483 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: of us. But I think think about think about the creativity, though, Joel, 484 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: because you could there's no rules, right, so you could 485 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: say if we're trying to maximize revenue. If let's say 486 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: California is more locked down, well then instead of playing, 487 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: instead of having you know, uh Alabama come to play 488 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: at USC would say, okay, obviously we're playing this one 489 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: at your place, and we're gonna split the revenue from 490 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: from the gate. We'll split it between the two school 491 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: You could just find wherever you can play and play 492 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: those games. They're maximize the revenue pie and some of 493 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: that lost money. I think that it's really I think 494 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: that that's a really interesting model. I mean, I would 495 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: certainly be there for it. Heck, right now, I'll climb 496 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: up some scaffolding with Gus and called junior high school football. 497 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: By the way, Buck Bucky. I don't know if you 498 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: saw this, but the last thing I saw. Somebody called 499 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: me this morning said, did you see the sun Belt? 500 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: Everybody else has said that, you know, looking like they're 501 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna shut down, but I heard like the sun Belt 502 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: And it might have been the A A C. Had 503 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: said they're not they have not got there yet. And 504 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, app State's gonna be on 505 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: every Saturday night at five Arkansas State. You know what 506 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: I will be there with Bill and whistle. Con Man, 507 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I will be breaking out all 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the old DJ footage there. Doubt about it. You can 509 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: find a little good place you can play both of them. 510 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: You have plenty of oh man, I will say, it's 511 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: an interesting model. Um I would like to add. I think. 512 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: I think if you think about that, like if you 513 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: say an abbreviated season, you say four games, how about 514 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: we kick it up the six games, and kick it 515 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: up the six game but finish it as we've always 516 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: seen in the lower levels with the playoff format like 517 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: just quarters, semis and finals. That will give you three 518 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: additional weeks. So if you kick it up the six 519 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: games plus those three rounds of playoffs, that will give 520 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: you nine weeks. And if you put some BIE weeks 521 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: in there, I still think you can do it. And 522 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: from maximizing dollars, you know that the appetite for football 523 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: is going to be so grand that this might be 524 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: the one time that you can step outside of the 525 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: normal college football playoff and try and maximize that part 526 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: of it. Because if you take the top eight teams, 527 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: even if you just do the top eight brand name 528 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: teams and put those guys in there you will get 529 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: maximum dollars not only from viewership and TV, but if 530 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: you put them in neutral locations and allow them to 531 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: do it, it also will feet. We're also kind of 532 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: with the appetite of the bowl games that have been lost, 533 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: particularly the major ones. I will bring up one one 534 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: point that I think from a television for spective would 535 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: would be important in all this. Part of the reason 536 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: why football is so valuable is, yes, the ratings, we 537 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: all know that it absolutely dominates in the ratings, there's 538 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But also the time of year 539 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: that it falls, right Like, the Americans spend the bulk 540 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: of their money in the last three and four months, 541 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: the last quarter of the year because of Christmas and 542 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Holidays and everything going all of that. So that's part 543 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: of the reason why the ad space is so valuable 544 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: during that time of year. Um So in the spring, 545 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: even with great matchups, they're not going to be worth 546 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: nearly what they would be worth if you're playing them 547 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: in the fall. Can I give you one other made 548 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: for TV event that we can just add to have 549 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: some fun with. It would be if we're doing say 550 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: let's split the difference, Let's say we go five games. Buck, 551 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: he was saying six. I was saying, uh, what I 552 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: saying for? So let's just let's go down and say 553 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: five games. So we with the schools negotiate with one 554 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: another and negotiate their five games schedules. Then we have 555 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: on TV and we can put it on we can 556 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: put it on ESPN, Fox, we can put it on 557 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: CBS all at once. We have a draft for these games, 558 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: and then we have you can have your Fox table, 559 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: you have your your ESPN table, you have your CBS table, 560 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: and and say okay, let's go all right, and then 561 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, you guys, you talked it over with Shanks 562 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: and all your people. You Okay, we got the first pick. 563 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: What do we want? Boys? What do we want? Yeah? 564 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: What do we want? If we got oh we got 565 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State? Who do we want Ohio? Because we want 566 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: to no doubt first if you can and there you go. 567 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: I would watch that. I would I would watch that, 568 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: and I promise you I would. I would be I 569 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: would be really into that. I gotta tell you, I 570 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: think that that's an unbelievable idea. Okay, So I would 571 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: be into that. Can you imagine? And by the way, 572 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: every single network here's here's the TV. Every network with 573 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: the first pick would take Ohio State Michigan best. It's 574 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: the best, Like we're shopping this, Joel. So I think 575 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: if we say, if it's four or five, whatever number 576 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: we come up with, the right of the natural rivalry 577 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: game is one of your four. So that one, we're 578 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: gonna get Clemson, South Carolina, We're gonna get Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, 579 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: aubur we get that game. But then outside of that game, 580 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm okay with kind of let's let's get some intriguing 581 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: matchups around the country. Yo, you bet? And and by 582 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: the way, don't you just love like even in the 583 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: middle of like are we gonna play or not? On 584 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: a coaches conference called Ryan Davis Like yeah, so good, good? 585 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: What's what's going on with these practices at Ohio? Say, hey, 586 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: worry about your own team? Pal I hope he, I 587 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: hope he dropped the pal or or a guy you 588 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: know like those are my but but but I really 589 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: comes in, Hey, guy, worry about your own team. Hey, 590 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: but you beat us for the first time when you 591 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: can talk about what we do in our breadkat Field 592 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: so so so good? All right, Well, hey, I want 593 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: to You've been very generous to the time here, Joel. 594 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: Last question for you, and we've touched a little bit 595 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: on it, um, But if we just look at this, 596 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: and you do a lot of work with us on 597 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: the draft as well, so if we look at this 598 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: from a draft standpoint, the challenges in your opinion of 599 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: drafting players you have not seen on the grass and 600 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: over a calendar year. I don't know that. Yeah, I 601 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: mean we talked about the difficulty of not being able 602 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: to just visit with them in person this last year, right, 603 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: and and how that was going to affect the draft, 604 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: um and what they were going to rely on a 605 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: little bit more. I think it would be the the 606 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: ultimate crapshoot, to be honest with you, And we could 607 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: probably make the draft right now, um, just based on 608 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we know the first two picks, right. No 609 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: one's gonna supplant Fields or or Trevor Lawrence. And quite frankly, 610 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to supplant Trevor Lawrence just because 611 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: he got a bigger body of work. Maybe Trey Lance 612 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: gets in there under the top five quarterback at North 613 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: Dakota State, but man, I can't I mean I can't 614 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: even imagine. The person that you'd want to talk to 615 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: about the NFL draft upcoming is is Kilni Sataki at 616 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: b y U. Because they signed these kids out of 617 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: high school, they go off on a Mormon mission for 618 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: two years, and you cross your fingers and toes when 619 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: that dude shows up on campus that it looks somewhat 620 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: like the same guy that you recruited two years ago, 621 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: that the NFL draft is gonna be like, right, Tanna 622 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: mckeeth going to the Stanford Yes, two years he comes 623 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: back and you're hoping that he is what you thought 624 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: he was going to be when you saw him last 625 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: in high school. Man, I I can't imagine. Yeah. I mean, 626 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: shoot man, we're an unprecedented territory, there's no doubt. But 627 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: it's it's, uh, you know, the the NFL, and all 628 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: you know who's most happy right now is the NFL 629 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: because they're gonna be on every day of the week. 630 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna over all those national windows on Saturdays if 631 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, and so you, I mean, the expansion 632 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: of the NFL. They're just licking their chops right now. Joel, 633 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna turn on TV you're only gonna see three things. 634 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna see Seinfeld reruns, You're gonna see one of 635 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: the Born movies, or you're gonna see the NFL. That's it. 636 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: That's the only three things you're gonna see on TV. 637 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: That's that's no, no, no, you're you're missing it because 638 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: I swear every night shosh Ank Redemption is on TVs. 639 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: Hitch hitches another one, hitches under it, hitches on a lot, 640 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: hitch hitches on all the time. Yes, and Fact will 641 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: be showing a Hotel Transylvania three again. It's so good. Hey, dude, Look, 642 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: it's a sucky time right now all the way around, 643 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: and especially for for us that that love college football. 644 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: Will and we'll see what happens here. I know if 645 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: things are still up in the air. But one thing 646 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: doesn't change is that you're extremely good at what you 647 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: do and we love having you on the show Man, 648 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: So I appreciate, appreciate that. Yeah, you get you guys 649 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: the best. This is always fun to come on and 650 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: drop it up and chat and hopefully cooler heads prevail 651 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: because because remember, guys, and I just want to reiterate this, 652 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: if anyone the kids are going to be safer if 653 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: they're playing football then if they're not, and and this 654 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: is the dirty secret in the room. And so I 655 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: just I'm praying that we can find a way forward 656 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: for college football to exist. All right, Well, I gotta 657 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: go order the boys in the boat from my drive here. 658 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, but a good one. It's a 659 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: good one, all right, man. Thanks well, Buck. I felt 660 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: like we had every emotion during that interview. Right, We've 661 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: got some sadness, Uh, you've got some laughter. We kind 662 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: of had it all mixed in there with our buddy Joel. Yeah. 663 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Um, obviously no one expected the pandemic. They 664 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: have this kind of impact on college football, but the 665 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: impact is devastating, Uh, not only for all of the participants, 666 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: the players, the coaches, the administrators to fall out and 667 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: dealing with the fans, but even the economic uh structures 668 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: around college campuses without college football being there, like college football, 669 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: the fans, the people that was the driving force of 670 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: so many of the things around town, the restaurants, the 671 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: student stores, um being able to like frequent those establishments 672 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: without college football taking place. This fall, I mean there 673 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: are a lot of I mean a lot of people 674 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: that are going to be suffering from that, and I 675 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: feel bad for everybody. We've seen the economic fallout from 676 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: the virus in the pandemic just on a normal sense, 677 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: but now, man, it really really hits home when you 678 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: think about all the mom and pops that exist in 679 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: all these college football towns around the country. Yeah. And 680 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: one of the things we did not get to a Joel, 681 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: but I was texting with one of our mutual friends 682 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: and this is, uh, this is something we've talked about 683 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: on the podcast before about if there is a void 684 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: of college football, you know, how do you feel it? 685 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: And the idea of taking a lot of the top players, 686 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: skill position players, and forming kind of an elite seven 687 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: on seven circuit, you know where it's gonna be. I 688 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: don't know how many, how many teams that could be. 689 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's five teams, maybe it's ten teams. But giving 690 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: all these kids, these skill position players an opportunity to 691 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: compete and to at least be throwing and catching and covering, 692 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: you know. And I think we're going to see that 693 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: if if there is no college season, the wheels are 694 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: already in motion on this that I think we are 695 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: going to see kind of an elite seven on seven 696 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: UH setup that's going to take place somewhere, So be 697 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that, man nice, I mean already 698 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: on it. It would be interesting to see how that 699 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: how they goes and be um, look, everyone is going 700 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: to try and figure out how to do this thing 701 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: because we've seen the opt outs. We saw the optouts 702 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: early from some of the top prospects, like what do 703 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: we do for the next six seven months in terms 704 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: of getting ready? Like that is a unique deal, um 705 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: from agents and those things like do those players leave 706 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: campus and go to those training facilities? Because then if 707 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: you're an agent, that outline, that outlet of cash is 708 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: a little different than the normal model that you have. 709 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: But this is uh a unique set of circumstances for everyone. 710 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: And I would say that the people who started doing 711 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: the planning a month or so ago started trying to 712 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: think about how this could shake out. Um, they're gonna 713 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: have it. Um they're gonna have an advantage over the others. 714 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: But I can't even imagine how to approach this as 715 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: a as a player, as a prospect, as an evaluated 716 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: is just so different. And I think some of the 717 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: things that we've seen the NFL do uh in the 718 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: midst of the pandemic, the expansion of the practice squad 719 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: rosters and some of those things. I think we will 720 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: have to continue to see those things going forward because 721 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: the players that are coming into the league, they will 722 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: be ill equipped to deal with the game. We will 723 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: have to kind of have a developmental system in place 724 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: to help those young guys get up to speed after 725 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: not playing football for a year or longer due to 726 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Yeah, I think we're gonna look back and uh, 727 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna end up saying that Dwayne Johnson DWYANEA. Rock 728 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: Johnson made an incredible investment. You talk about timing being 729 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: everything for him to buy the XFL kind of on 730 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: the cheap, coming off of Once a Century issue. I 731 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: think it was fifteen million dollars he paid for the 732 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: league book. There's gonna be more talent, untapped talent that 733 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: he's going to have available to him. Um, you're gonna 734 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: see this is not going to be a situation where 735 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, maybe the NFL scraped some of these 736 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: players off. I think what you end up seeing is 737 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna end up seeing some guys come out of 738 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: that league that are going to be considered you know, 739 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: second round, maybe even a couple of first round type 740 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: players that emerge in that format that weren't given the 741 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to, you know, have that train take off their 742 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: junior or senior year in college. Now here's the thing 743 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: that I would that I would suggest to the XFL 744 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: if they're going to do this and just looking at 745 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: the eight teams that they have, instead of trying to 746 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: bounce around and play in a bunch of different cities, 747 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: I would say, you find two central locations and kind 748 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: of bubble up right there. Not only because of the 749 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: health and safety benefits of being able to do that, 750 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: but I think from a cost standpoint, it's a TV product. 751 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: Just making a TV product. They don't worry about filling 752 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: the sands or whatever. But I think if you can 753 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: do it where you can put four teams in one spot, 754 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: four teams in another spot and they kind of do 755 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: their round robbin stuff, I think that would be the 756 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: best way to do it. And if you think about 757 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: really using this league as a developmental league with the 758 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: eye towards being the minor league system for the National 759 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: Football League, there's some positive things we've seen the Spring League. 760 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: We've seen some of these other leagues that have kind 761 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: of popped up and have attempted to be that. But 762 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 1: I think if the XFL goes all in on being 763 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: the domestic version of NFL Europe, I think that would 764 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: give them a chance of having success. But they have 765 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: to do it in a fiscally responsible way, and I 766 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: think the best way to do it is to kind 767 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: of pick one spot, one location, one stadium, and just 768 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: go all in on that and don't worry about the fans. 769 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Really make it a TV product and make sure that 770 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 1: the product on the field is a good product, you know, buck. 771 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: One thing I would think about two from an economic 772 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: standpoint is you could, because of the pandemic and the 773 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: fact that you haven't had many people traveling or staying hotels, 774 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: you could probably reserve hotel rooms, you know, for the 775 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: season in one location, or I mean you might even 776 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: be able to outright by some hotels that are struggling 777 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: financially for pennies on the dollar to be able to 778 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: centrally locate all these teams in the XFL and be 779 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: able to house them and you know whatever, four different 780 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, hotel uh locations. I would think that would 781 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: be something that again, timing is everything, and you'll be 782 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: able to get that on the cheap. At this point 783 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: in time, Well, let's not reinvent the will. Why not 784 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: just play the league in Orlando, Florida where Disney is 785 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: the NBA able to ushered out that bubble would have 786 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: been done. They've gone through all the protocols to make 787 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: sure that they can do all the stuff there. You've 788 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: been to dis like they have anything, but I would 789 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: think that might be more expensive than if they But 790 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: but you're talking about something that is very similar to 791 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: the Indians. That's the format. Yeah, that's the format. Just 792 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: follow that format, find a place that that allows you 793 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: to be able to get it done and do it 794 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: that way. Um. I just think it makes it just 795 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: makes so much sense. Um. And when you're talking about this, 796 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: and you're talking about whether and you talk about all 797 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: those considerations, Um, Florida appears to be the right location 798 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: just because of like, look, you can get sunshine, you 799 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: can get a nice weather, you not have to deal 800 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: with all. Yeah, it's interesting, man. It was a fun 801 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: conversation there with our buddy Joel Klatt, So I want 802 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: to thank him for joining us once again. Uh. Inspired 803 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: by ongoing conversations with players, NFL launched NFL Votes to 804 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: empower and improve our communities through exercising the right to vote. 805 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: Join the NFL family by registering to vote today and 806 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: make your voice heard this November. Visit NFL dot com 807 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: slash votes to learn more. I also want to remind 808 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: everybody another note here, we've got the Hard Knocks podcast 809 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: hosted by our other friend Peter Schreeger. Uh this week 810 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks and TV show debuts tomorrow, August eleven, at 811 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern on HBO, So be on the lookout 812 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: for Shreg's as he hosts that kind of reaction podcast 813 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: there on Hard Knocks Again. We talked a little bit 814 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: earlier about encouraging you guys to leave us some some 815 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: ratings and reviews on Apple Podcasts. We do it. Apreciate 816 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: that dropping some questions will answer those on a later podcast. 817 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: Buck anything else you want to add before we get 818 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: out of here now? Man, Uh, you know, just looking 819 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: forward to, like, as my eyes is really stuck on 820 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: the NFL. By the end of the week, we're gonna 821 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: have real training camp. So I'm just curious to get 822 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: a peek at what it looks like, you know, like 823 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: people have speculate it's been because we've just seen the 824 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning part of it. But then when we 825 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: get to the training camp portion, how different is this 826 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: year's version of training camp look compared to other years. 827 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: We've heard about the ramp up and physicality and tackling 828 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: and all of those things. Well, let's get a let's 829 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: get our eyes on it because we haven't had those cameras, 830 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: we haven't had a network cameras in the building. So 831 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: hoping the next week we get a chance to see 832 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: what's going on. Looking forward to some real football, no doubt. 833 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: We do have another movie that Stix episode coming up 834 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: later this week. Bucky's gonna hold the four down for 835 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: me as I head off take my daughter to college. So, 836 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: um buck, you know who you have if you have 837 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: coming on with to you. I think we're gonna talk 838 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: to the lands, but we don't have a confirmed yet, 839 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: so we'll see it. But it's gonna be great. We're 840 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna try to make it happen. While you're 841 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: on the road. Just be careful on the road. I 842 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: know you don't have your uhoting stamina. So a couple 843 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: of things that I muna suggest um just to help 844 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: you kind of get through. So one thing that always 845 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: sustained me outside of getting a good night sleep, uh dj, 846 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to be prepared to put 847 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: on five to ten pounds because the one thing that 848 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: always shoots you awake. You gotta have plenty of snacks 849 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: in the car. Sunflower seed used to go to. Yeah, 850 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: you can have the sunflower seeds. You're gonna have to 851 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: have like all kinds of stuff, beef jerky and all 852 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: that other stuff to kind of get you through the 853 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: one thing that can keep you awake, a lot of eating, 854 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: a lot of eating. Got a time out, you get 855 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: a time about, you get a time about your eating 856 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: breaks and and all those other things. Because it's it's 857 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: different now. I didn't do a real road trip. I 858 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: did a mini road trip when I took my son 859 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: from l A to the Bay Area to see some 860 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: of these colleges up there. And so even then it was, man, 861 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time that I've done like 862 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: a five or scene drive. But yeah, I had to 863 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: had to map it out. This it's different. I'm just 864 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: worried about I'm just worried about being able to get 865 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: access to restrooms during a pandemic, because a lot of 866 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: these places don't allow you to use the restroom. So 867 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: that's that's my only concern. You can go. My go 868 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: to has always been the hotel lobby bathroom. I've I've 869 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: stated that many times, the cleanest bathroom you will ever 870 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: find on the road. I got stymy there because that's 871 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: also my go to, and I in the bathrooms were 872 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: closed due to the pandemic. That's what I'm That's what 873 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's what I'm worried about. Because a cruise, 874 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: a cruise right through right fast, a lobby like oh, 875 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: and I was even gonna do your trick. I was 876 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: gonna see if the cookies were out, like go in yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, 877 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: it was man, this you want to you want to 878 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 1: have too much information conversation. You're pore wrapped us up 879 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: alright already already know it's so bad. I already talked 880 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: about that, yes, because you're insured of getting a clean bathroom. 881 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: So I'm with like, yeah, I don't stop anywhere. No, 882 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this one about 883 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: being in the Dakotas and in a driving rainstorm, I 884 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: mean just just pummeling you with rain, and I've got 885 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and there is nowhere to 886 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: be is nothing but space. You know, in a normal world, 887 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: if people don't want to hear it, but you can 888 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 1: pull off the side of the road, you're good. You 889 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: gotta do. You get in the car and go. It's 890 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: a driving rainstorm. I don't really want to go that route. 891 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: Remember so be waters. I don't even know if they 892 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: make those anymore. So, yes, I got empty, I got it. 893 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: I got empty bottle here. Bad decision, man, it's a 894 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: bad decision. Let's just say it was not it did 895 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: not end well. I was all I gonna say. Did 896 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: not end well? Was it was a one time experience. 897 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: And then I realized, you know what, get a little 898 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: wet in the rain, probably not a bad not a 899 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: bad trade off. Anyways, that's a happy thought to leave 900 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: everybody with. All right, that's gonna do it for us today. 901 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. We'll catch you next time. 902 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: Right here, I moved the sticks out. What you have 903 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 1: got to go to lott, What you don't have to 904 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:20,240 Speaker 1: go to a lot