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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: People might have noticed last week Evant a little of

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Speaker 4: And I think Wes Welker was kind of a dick.

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Speaker 3: Someone give me an example of a coach who openly

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Speaker 4: Of but that another example or an example.

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Speaker 5: Robin says, worst show ever. It's Draft season. Josh An

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Speaker 5: Haffel says, this is one of the best shows I've.

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Speaker 3: Heard, those emails, the dueling emails. I can't think of

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Speaker 3: anything I'd rather listen to less than some of Gonzales

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Speaker 3: first round or did they go flow?

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Speaker 4: We don't worry because Catch twenty two will be all

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Speaker 4: all draft.

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Speaker 3: You know, Lincoln Riley, I don't know off my head, Wow,

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Speaker 3: how pro ready that offense is?

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Speaker 6: What's the mat with you?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I didn't have some research done for good sense.

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Speaker 3: You guys have done watched every one of these guys

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Speaker 3: fart over the last three years.

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Speaker 6: You can't tell me what kind of offense this is.

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Speaker 5: Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Dunkin. Hello, and welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 5: It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium and we're a

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Speaker 5: little over a week away from the NFL Draft. Exciting times.

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Speaker 5: The gang will be here momentarily. They're just finishing up

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Speaker 5: with Matt GROW's pre draft press conference. We were streaming

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Speaker 5: that live on Patriots dot com. You might perhaps have

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Speaker 5: been watching that. And there was also coaches availability today,

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Speaker 5: so all the coaches were out there and we'll get

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Speaker 5: some insight from the guys and Tamara about what who

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Speaker 5: said what, and our first time officially talking to Bill O'Brien,

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Speaker 5: so that was that'll be interesting. And as I say that,

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Speaker 5: Deuce walks into the room. What's up, Deuce?

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Speaker 6: Hello, I came running.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh, Fred, I know you were

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Speaker 3: here flying solo, so I know, I know you're pro.

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Speaker 5: I know you proudly wearing your Patriot League champions, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, quarter pull up, quarter zip whatever it is, shout

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Speaker 3: out Holy Cross.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for the free swag.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. But uh yeah, it was fun. We got

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Speaker 3: i'd just say the first big part was everybody just

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Speaker 3: I was in a little bit of a unique position

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Speaker 3: we've been reviewing things and we're not going to tell

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Speaker 5: all that stuff, where you know, Karen Field, any of

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Speaker 3: I mean it was funny, Fred, because honestly, my opinion

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Speaker 6: About any of the draft guys. But you know we did.

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Speaker 9: I feel like I'm still processing Matt grow Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm just I'm intrigued. One why, I thought, I

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Speaker 9: the same? And we're running back the defense. So was

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Speaker 9: Did you hear about that?

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Speaker 9: Someone asked about Cold Strange and Taekwon Thornton and if

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Speaker 9: Like, is there pressure, you know, to make a better

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Speaker 5: Then, you know, Matt said that, you know, he equipped

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think so. I mean, he's been

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Speaker 5: When he said doing this like I'd like to know

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Speaker 6: Is kind of running the show? Yeah, having the.

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Speaker 5: But I thought that the year before was a more

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Speaker 3: And if you know, and if Cold Strange, it's will

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Speaker 3: this class.

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Speaker 6: Marcus Jones.

438
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Speaker 3: Really my question with him is just what's the ceiling?

439
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Speaker 6: How high?

440
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Speaker 3: How much of could he be like one of these uh,

441
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Speaker 3: you know, three fase NFL superstars that does it all

442
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Speaker 3: and it's you know, like the face of a franchise

443
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Speaker 3: kind of a guy. I think he could be.

444
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he could be. No, that's I'm excited

445
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Speaker 5: about him.

446
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Speaker 9: I'm looking back through mycrow notes and I would say

447
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Speaker 9: two things. My actually, my biggest like eyebrow raise was

448
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Speaker 9: I love how he's Oh he says he's using Bill

449
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Speaker 9: O'Brien as a resource just with all of his knowledge.

450
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Speaker 9: Obviously he's seen all those guys at Alabama for the

451
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Speaker 9: past three years and also seen the rest of the

452
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Speaker 9: SEC for the past three or so years, and so

453
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Speaker 9: I think that's great because like, that's the type of

454
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Speaker 9: caliber player that I want you to draft. In the

455
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Speaker 9: first round. I want you to draft a guy that's

456
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Speaker 9: like a nighbor and guy that's good that's played against

457
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Speaker 9: good talent, and not you twa Chattanooga. I just don't

458
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Speaker 9: want that in the first round.

459
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Speaker 3: I mean I was just wondering though, like what is

460
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Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien's expertise with like the offensive pieces of the

461
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Speaker 3: Like shouldn't he know the defensive pieces of the sec

462
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Speaker 3: around Alabama a little better? Like how much time is

463
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Speaker 3: he spending really studying I think both of the other teams,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, just something like it'd be interested, like what

465
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Speaker 3: kind of inputs you get from him, like, oh, man,

466
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Speaker 3: we couldn't block this guy, you know, Nolan sp we

467
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Speaker 3: couldn't block this guy, or what you know, those kind

468
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Speaker 3: of examples rather than oh, this guy gave our defense

469
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Speaker 3: a lot of trouble and it's just interesting. But I mean,

470
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Speaker 3: like he said, the guy has done everything. I mean,

471
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Speaker 3: he knows what he's seeing. So it's a it's a

472
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Speaker 3: great resource, and so is.

473
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Speaker 5: He should be a great resource to mac Row. He

474
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Speaker 5: should also be a great resource to hopefully Bill Belichick.

475
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Speaker 5: I mean going to Penn State, you know, you know, Houston, Texans.

476
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Speaker 5: Then going over to Alabama then coming back to the NFL.

477
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Speaker 5: That's a lot of experience to draw from, you know,

478
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Speaker 5: different types of situations, you know. I like I said

479
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Speaker 5: before of Patricia and Joe Judge, even though that they

480
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Speaker 5: didn't do well as head coaches, just having that experience

481
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Speaker 5: helps them. Now, it didn't help them in the roles

482
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Speaker 5: that they were put in, but it just just you know, wisdom,

483
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Speaker 5: It helps you with wisdom.

484
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Speaker 6: It's almost like you forget about it.

485
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Speaker 3: With Bill O'Brien.

486
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Speaker 6: Like Bill O'Brien, I.

487
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Speaker 3: Think my biggest excitement is just that he is an

488
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Speaker 3: experienced offensive coordinator. And we said that so many times

489
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Speaker 3: last year, which I agree, Like, I mean, I don't

490
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Speaker 3: think that that's anything controversial to say that a coach

491
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Speaker 3: that has been a head coach in the league doesn't

492
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Speaker 3: have far more experience to draw upon than somebody who

493
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Speaker 3: hasn't been. So you know, but then you remember, like,

494
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Speaker 3: oh my god, he was in Houston forever. I mean,

495
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Speaker 3: he came here and played against us in the playoffs,

496
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Speaker 3: like he's he's seen all sides of it. So I

497
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Speaker 3: think that's just again that all feeds into just seeing

498
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Speaker 3: this presence up there today and saying, you know, we

499
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Speaker 3: got we got a real guy now in charge of

500
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Speaker 3: the offense. And you know, there's not gonna be any

501
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Speaker 3: excuses this year. If it doesn't look good, it's gonna

502
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Speaker 3: be probably because the players just aren't that good.

503
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, and when you're looking at you know,

504
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Speaker 9: the draft board, I guess this would be a great

505
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Speaker 9: time to have Evan here too. With the way Matt

506
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Speaker 9: grow described what he's looking for in a first round pick,

507
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Speaker 9: just like character and player wise, they want a guy

508
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Speaker 9: that's gonna come in and immediately be able to make

509
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Speaker 9: an impact, not like five years later being making make

510
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Speaker 9: an impact, but like right now, it's like looking at

511
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Speaker 9: the positions of the player, like the Patriots need. Is

512
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Speaker 9: that wide receiver that you need to come in right

513
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Speaker 9: now and be great that you draft at fourteen?

514
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Speaker 5: Or is that corner or is like it used to

515
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Speaker 5: be that wide receivers didn't make in median impact, But

516
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Speaker 5: that's changed over the last ten years, I'd say in

517
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Speaker 5: the NFL as more and more college programs are running

518
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Speaker 5: offenses that are you know, transferable to the NFL.

519
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Speaker 3: Yeah, seven on seven proliferation, all that stuff.

520
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Speaker 9: And then I also like when he mentioned that, like,

521
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Speaker 9: you know, what's it take to get like the ball

522
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Speaker 9: rolling and everyone's starting to pick wide receivers. He's like,

523
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Speaker 9: all it takes is one, right, So once the first

524
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Speaker 9: team picks a wide receiver in the first round, then

525
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Speaker 9: everyone's like, okay, I need to go get one. Yeah,

526
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Speaker 9: And so I thought that was interesting too. It's like,

527
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Speaker 9: I wonder, if you know that does start at pick ten,

528
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Speaker 9: that does that mean potentially Zay could be our pick

529
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Speaker 9: at fourteen? Yeah, I don't know.

530
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Speaker 5: I think I think the first run will be on cornerbacks.

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think, I mean, I'd probably

532
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Speaker 3: split it between the tackles, and I mean, I just

533
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Speaker 3: it's you can talk yourself in and out of any

534
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Speaker 3: of these positions. As far as what's going to go above,

535
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the cos I'm looking at, you know,

536
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Speaker 3: Peter Schrieger's mock draft here where he's got Hendon Hooker

537
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Speaker 3: going eleventh overall like a move like that, which nobody

538
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Speaker 3: really has. But you know, it just takes something like

539
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Speaker 3: that to happen that no one's projecting, and it kind

540
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Speaker 3: of screws everything up and it's gonna push somebody down.

541
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Speaker 3: Who's it gonna push down the board, and I think

542
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Speaker 3: we spend so much time talking about those positions. I

543
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Speaker 3: think the edge is that spot where if they're gonna

544
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Speaker 3: go away from one of those three spots, I think

545
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Speaker 3: it might be one of those random edge guys that's

546
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Speaker 3: just get you pushed down.

547
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Speaker 9: I could see Hendon Hooker that high. Not because I

548
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Speaker 9: love him because he went differty intech, but I like

549
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Speaker 9: Hendon Hooker in the sense like, if you don't have

550
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Speaker 9: an immediate quarterback need, you could wait for his acl

551
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Speaker 9: to heal, he could be groomed by whoever your starting

552
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Speaker 9: quarterback is and then be ready to go at some

553
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Speaker 9: point during the season and hopefully get some reps in.

554
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Speaker 9: But if you have an immediate quarterback need, obviously no,

555
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Speaker 9: because he's not gonna be ready.

556
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Speaker 3: I mean they seem like they're gonna have a need

557
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Speaker 3: sooner than later, like you know with Tannehill.

558
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Speaker 6: Like is he long for this?

559
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

560
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Speaker 3: I mean I know Hendon Hooker's older too, and that's

561
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Speaker 3: you know, part of the evaluation of is he going

562
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Speaker 3: to be ready to go? And if he's not, how

563
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Speaker 3: old is he going to be by the time that.

564
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Speaker 5: He is yeady to go?

565
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Speaker 9: And then staying on the same quarterback topic, the topic

566
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Speaker 9: of are you going to draft a quarterback this year?

567
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Speaker 9: Like the question that was asked is like, well, I'll

568
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Speaker 9: always like to keep you know, the competition going in

569
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Speaker 9: that quarterback room. So he was like, I don't see

570
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Speaker 9: the issue with always evaluating the quarterbacks every single year, yep,

571
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Speaker 9: because that makes the competition in the room better.

572
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Speaker 5: Listen, while Brady was here, they drafted a quarterback almost

573
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Speaker 5: every year.

574
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was that was his example was when

575
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Speaker 3: he was a scout, when we had twelve here, it

576
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Speaker 3: was never, Hey, we're good on quarterback. You don't have

577
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Speaker 3: to look at those guys. But I did find it

578
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Speaker 3: interesting Tamar's point of hitting that competition theme, and it's

579
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Speaker 3: a little bit of what Bill said about is Matt, look,

580
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Speaker 3: everybody's going to get a chance to compete. It's the

581
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Speaker 3: same company line about that position. So I always think

582
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Speaker 3: it's good business to draft quarterbacks. I would not be

583
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Speaker 3: opposed to taking one again. I know we've talked about

584
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Speaker 3: the kid from UCLA dtr a bunch. Yeah, I just

585
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: think people get so worked up, and I when you

586
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Speaker 3: take one in like the second or third round, of course,

587
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: then it's probably a reflection on how you feel. But

588
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, those day three day guys that you're picking up,

589
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: trying to develop, keep on the practice squad, give you

590
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Speaker 3: a look at certain points. I just think you can

591
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Speaker 3: never have too many of those guys in the building.

592
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Speaker 9: Yes, as insurance, and I really want if you are

593
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Speaker 9: going to bring in competition in the couarterback room, I

594
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Speaker 9: want it to be someone with a different skill set.

595
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Speaker 9: So that's why I said DTR and I talked about

596
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Speaker 9: Troy Brown about this today when we were talking to them,

597
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Speaker 9: is like, how much of like, you know, an impact

598
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Speaker 9: do you think you'll have on like the draft class

599
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Speaker 9: with you guys being able to have hands on like

600
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Speaker 9: work with these guys, And he was like, yeah, it

601
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Speaker 9: was so great to not just be able to watch

602
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Speaker 9: them on film, but to see them in person, see

603
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Speaker 9: how they are in the meeting rooms, see how they

604
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Speaker 9: are off the field. Like he was like, that experience

605
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Speaker 9: was something that like is so valuable. And so that's

606
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Speaker 9: why I'm thinking, like, if they are going to pick one,

607
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Speaker 9: like maybe DTR is yeah.

608
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Speaker 10: One.

609
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Speaker 3: Well, my big takeaway from Troy Brown was unfortunately he's

610
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Speaker 3: going back into the Sharon Flag Football League so I

611
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Speaker 3: was like, hey, Troy, you're going back in share and

612
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Speaker 3: he's like, oh yeah, like no, not again, and.

613
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Speaker 9: He was he was asked like two questions about Juju

614
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 9: two and he's and you know, he did emphasize that

615
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 9: the yards after catch is huge from Juju.

616
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Speaker 3: You know who else I talked to was Ross Douglas,

617
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: who I didn't really get a chance to meet last year,

618
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: but he absolutely for me, stole the show on the

619
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Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl, miked up like just such great energy. We

620
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 3: were walking by the rooms. I think it was right

621
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Speaker 3: after Billy Oh came out, so he's just sitting in

622
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Speaker 3: the room by himself, like I'm like, oh dude, sorry,

623
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Speaker 3: we went up.

624
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Speaker 6: We talked him.

625
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Speaker 3: But what a what a great guy, just great energy

626
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Speaker 3: about him. I mean he's just all like you could

627
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Speaker 3: just tell me he's ready to go. Yeah. So pretty

628
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Speaker 3: pretty cool to see him. And you know, just some

629
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Speaker 3: of these young guys that that you know, we're kind

630
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Speaker 3: of filling the lower levels of the coaching ranks and

631
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Speaker 3: starting to work there.

632
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Speaker 5: Way it will needs to build that back up. I mean,

633
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Speaker 5: he had that pipeline of internal guys that you know

634
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Speaker 5: in the brain drain kind of you know heard our

635
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Speaker 5: depth chart.

636
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, and talked to Brian Brian Belichick too,

637
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Speaker 3: who spoke at your at your football Clint.

638
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did a great job.

639
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: Did another clinic. I think I think I heard overheard

640
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: Andrew Callahan of The Herald saying he just did another clinic.

641
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: So he's been all over the place to these guys,

642
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, just being able to get out and coach

643
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: coach new faces, and you know, I think it must

644
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: help coaches being able to have to verbalize things to

645
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: new coaches and to new plays.

646
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Speaker 5: I mean, coaches is now coaching is teaching. Yeah, you know.

647
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Speaker 9: So one more thing before we got to completely go

648
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Speaker 9: off topic of what Matt Grove said today. Another note,

649
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Speaker 9: which is I don't know if you were in there

650
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 9: or not for this was, you know, what we've talked

651
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 9: about on the show, like all the guys whose contracts

652
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 9: are going to be up next to your own defense.

653
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Speaker 9: That question was asked, like, are you keeping that in

654
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Speaker 9: mind when you're thinking about this draft class? He's like, always,

655
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 9: of course, you have to keep in mind that, you know,

656
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 9: Duggar or Bryant whoever is going to end in twenty

657
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 9: twenty three or twenty four said you have to keep

658
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 9: that in min when you're drafting this year because you

659
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 9: don't want to have holes.

660
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: Right, So I'm.

661
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 9: Wondering, you know that if that's going to shake up

662
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 9: everyone's mock drafts, that the next one.

663
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 5: That you've got to have backup plays to your backup plan. Yeah, yeah, Chase.

664
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 6: Another one to like.

665
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 9: It's like, okay, it would be great to get some

666
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 9: guys in here too, if you do get them in

667
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 9: the third or fourth round, that could come learn behind

668
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 9: these guys and then hopefully not be as referenced edge

669
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 9: as the following year if you don't, if you aren't

670
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 9: able to retain all those guys.

671
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: Ye. Speaking of retaining, they announced Miles Bryant.

672
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: Asually signed his tender, so he'll be around for another year,

673
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: just like Jacoby was last year.

674
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: So all right, so now before we open up the

675
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 5: phones emails, I want to just you know, talk about

676
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 5: what happened in the NFL over the last few days.

677
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 5: Jalen hurts huge contract.

678
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 9: Huge, but agent Nicolon shout out to her, Yeah.

679
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 5: That's great, good for her, you know, a black representative

680
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 5: of you know in the NFL. We need more of that.

681
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 9: I also just love the story of how she's able

682
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 9: to represent him. She literally sent him a cold DM like, hey,

683
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 9: you an agent yet if not, would love to link

684
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 9: And then they connected and yeah, And it's like to think,

685
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 9: like how many times And I tell people like students

686
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 9: this all the time when they ask for advice and

687
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 9: sorry men who are listening to this, But I'm like,

688
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 9: think about how many times guys shoot their shot at you,

689
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 9: like over and over after you've already said no, like

690
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 9: continue to have that same energy. Just send the cold email,

691
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 9: send a cold DM like.

692
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: How I got my job here? I sent him to

693
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 5: Jonathan Crawt.

694
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 9: And so I love that her story just starts with that,

695
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 9: just like she really she didn't know him, She just

696
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 9: sent him a DM and the rest is history.

697
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: She's going to have a lot more clients now.

698
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 9: Yes. And then also this made me think like is

699
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 9: Lamar looking at this and thinking like, Okay, should I

700
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 9: surrender and get an agent because I could have gotten

701
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 9: a deal.

702
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: Like that done?

703
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

704
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 9: Or am I going to continue to just let mom

705
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 9: be my agent? But it's like I wonder how much

706
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 9: sooner his deal would have been done if he had

707
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 9: someone like Nicole.

708
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: I think it might have been a little sooner. Yeah,

709
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: I did see a rumor that the Ravens recently offered

710
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: him two hundred million guaranteed.

711
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 9: Now, so, but and what's hurts guaranteed?

712
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: Like one eighty something? Maybe I'm a little bit confused

713
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 5: and hurts his deal. I'm getting different numbers and what's

714
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: guaranteed and what's not and all that stuff. That's always

715
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 5: the case with these huge contracts.

716
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Some people come out and highlight what they want to highlight, right, well,

717
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: but and then all of a sudden, well, actually it's

718
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: only a one year, but it's big, and I think.

719
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 9: Is it bigger than Deshawn's.

720
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure in terms of the overall guarantee.

721
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: I think Deshaun's is more. But in real like real cash,

722
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: real cash or something like that, like he's number two

723
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: right now or something like that. It's confusing, but it's big.

724
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 5: It's big and good for him. There's a guy that like,

725
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: you know, just head down and just did what he had.

726
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 9: To do, did what he had to do. His club

727
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 9: like sees the value in him and put the pieces

728
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 9: around him to make him successful.

729
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they saw it, and then they rewarded him.

730
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: And they saw what they had in him, and they

731
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 5: let him loose last year and they went to the

732
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 5: Super Bowl as a result. You know, he was an

733
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: MVP candidate for sure last year. Uh So that was

734
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: it was big news. And then of course the trickle

735
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: down to Lamar. So now what happens with Lamar? You know,

736
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: does he look at that and say, Okay, you know,

737
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: I don't need necessarily need to break the bank, but

738
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 5: if I come in around Jalen, then I'm okay. Or

739
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: does he say no, no, I've been around longer than him.

740
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: I should be making a lot more like the price.

741
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 6: I just went, oh my god.

742
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 9: I did think it was interesting in Obj's press conference

743
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 9: after he signed the other day that he someone asked

744
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 9: him like, are you signing here because you know that

745
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 9: you know, some inside scoop essentially on Lamar signing, And

746
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 9: He's like, well, no, I wouldn't say that. He's I'm

747
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 9: signing with the possibility of knowing that like he could

748
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 9: be playing here, And I'm.

749
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: Like, really, I think.

750
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 9: Especially to be yeah, yeah, especially because Obj made it

751
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 9: clear I want to go somewhere where like good quarterback

752
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 9: that is like going to be contending for a title.

753
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: So I mean, remember, like, even if he doesn't sign,

754
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: he's still got the tag and so he I don't

755
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: know what's that what's the tag forty million.

756
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: Or something like that somewhere around there.

757
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: I mean, so yeah, he's not going to be missing

758
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: any meals even if he plays under the tag.

759
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 6: So it's just funny how this is for him then.

760
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: But now next his borough, we'll see what happens with him.

761
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's it's like it's never going to

762
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: be perfectly ranked. Where you look at who are the

763
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks in the league this year and are

764
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 3: they one, two, three, four, five in salary? It's just

765
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: such a function of when you get to that point

766
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: and the team is like, right, we have to make

767
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: you the highest play.

768
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 6: Are you the best?

769
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 9: Man?

770
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 6: Maybe not?

771
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 5: Now if I'm Kansas City, I go to my homes

772
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: and say, listen, we're gonna just give you an increase

773
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: just so you're up there with these guys, right, I would,

774
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: you know, just just to make sure that everybody knows that,

775
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: you know, we back our guy. He's you know, and

776
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: you don't have to deal with it later.

777
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 6: I mean, but how do you tackle it, you know?

778
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: And how do you manage it, especially when you have

779
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that there's so much of Oh

780
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: Tom Brady took team home team discounts.

781
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: He did not like, you know, no, I know that's

782
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 6: what I mean.

783
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: I know that that's just like a thing to say,

784
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, but it's just he certainly at least seems

785
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: like somebody who the second someone else made more money

786
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: than him. He wasn't thrown.

787
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: He was very flexible with his contract, and he allowed

788
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: the Patriots to restructure it every time. By the way,

789
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 5: every time they restructured it, he made more money up front,

790
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 5: of course, you know, yeah, so, but he allowed the

791
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: team to use his contract almost like a home mortgage

792
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: with equity, so like, oh we need some room. Okay,

793
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: well we'll just redo Tom's thing and that'll give us room.

794
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 5: So you know, in that way, he was very cooperative

795
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: with the team. But you know, people say, oh, you know,

796
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: he took this big discount. Not really, not really, but

797
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 5: I just.

798
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: Wonder, like, and I just using Hurts as the example,

799
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: because he was the latest of what you know is

800
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: in two years is he like, you know, this isn't

801
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: really a top five deal anymore, you.

802
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: Know, after gets paid well, that's why I'm saying Kansas

803
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: City should be proactive and just keep my homes at

804
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: the top of the heap y, you know.

805
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 9: But I also think with Hurts in his style of play,

806
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 9: I mean, same with Lamar, there comes that risk of injury,

807
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 9: so you kind of have to see in two years

808
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 9: where is his body.

809
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: That's a really that's a really good point.

810
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean I think that's a big part of what

811
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: you saw with a lot of like the Lamar speculation

812
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: was I mean agent stuff aside being you know, they

813
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: want to just do a two year deal or a

814
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: three year deal, just something quick, so like you know,

815
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: we can find out and then get out if you know,

816
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: you start to break down or this play isn't sustainable.

817
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks should want security, oh yeah, you know, so that's

818
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 5: where those that guarantee is huge. You know. So I

819
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: would say that right now Jalen has security. Oh yeah.

820
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 9: And I think when it comes to Burrow though, I

821
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 9: think he's worth two hundred million guarantees.

822
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean definitely.

823
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: You know.

824
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: The other factor that teams, you know, play into this

825
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: is not just the performance in the field, but the

826
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: marketing impact. Oh yeah, you know, selling season tickets, and

827
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 5: there's other impact of having that player and that goes

828
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: into what their contract is.

829
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 11: You know.

830
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 3: It is funny with Burrow though he's he's there's something

831
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: special about that guy, yeah, because you bring him up

832
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: just like I mean even we were out at the

833
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: NFL when means you're talking to the girl from from

834
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: the Lions teep. You know, we're all just you know,

835
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: talking about quarterbacks and like Burrow comes up and everybody's

836
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: just like.

837
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 9: You know, there's something about everything.

838
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: He's got the total package.

839
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: I mean, the two of you are too young. But

840
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: I mean when Joe Namath was in his heyday, he

841
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 5: was wearing the fur coats and you know he was

842
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 5: he had the swag and you know he'd be at

843
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: the pool side with like four women around him.

844
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 9: He was the guy it was, you know, it was

845
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 9: it was over. Once Joe Burrow sat on the couch

846
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 9: with the cigar after he won the National championship. It

847
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 9: was done.

848
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: And you'd hate a lot of people that did that.

849
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people could pull that move and

850
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: you'd be like, oh, look at this guy. But there's

851
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: just he gets away with it.

852
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: He looks like Macauley Coke.

853
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 6: We never got into drugs like right, clean mcaulay Culker.

854
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 5: Would have looked like right.

855
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 9: But I will say the one thing that I think

856
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 9: about with all these like major deals for quarterbacks is like,

857
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 9: for a team like the Bengals, how are you gonna

858
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 9: keep everybody? Because they have a lot of great pieces,

859
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 9: Like you obviously want to keep Burrow and Chase, But

860
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 9: how much is Chase gonna cost?

861
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's simple, really draft, Well, that's that. I mean,

862
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: that's that's it.

863
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 5: Draft so that when these guys leave, you got people

864
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 5: behind it.

865
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: Once you get into that tail spin of all right,

866
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: we missed on a couple of drafts. We were gonna

867
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: have to go into free agency and take take those risks.

868
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 9: You know.

869
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: It's I mean, I think anything you talk about with

870
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: the Patriots and their sustained excellence, I think you can

871
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: probably tie it to specific drafts that they were able

872
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: to hit in.

873
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: You know, two thousand and ten.

874
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: Twenty twelve, those got star players to keep it going

875
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: and to rebuild it again. And you know, if that

876
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: had to hit on those drafts, it would have we

877
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: probably would be Tenure'd be twenty thirteen, and we'd be

878
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: sitting here doing the same exact thing where we don't

879
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: have a Gronk, we don't have an Edelman anymore. We

880
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: still were trying to Deon Branch and Randy Mawson wilst Welkern.

881
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: You know, it would be the same thing if they

882
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: didn't find those players.

883
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 9: Well, Uston, I think that what you just described is

884
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 9: it being a hit that needs to be this season,

885
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 9: Like it needs to be like a hit, not just like, oh,

886
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 9: we're gonna be fine, but it needs to be like

887
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 9: a hit.

888
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 5: Well it does, and more so because you don't have

889
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: the elite quarterback to cover up mistakes, you know, Burrow Mahomes,

890
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: you know, herm leeway for those all those guys, they're

891
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: going to keep winning as long as those guys are healthy.

892
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: You know, they may not be the dynasty the Patriots were,

893
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: but they will always be in contention with that elite quarterback,

894
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 5: I think, you know, and then how far you go

895
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 5: it gets into like how well do you draft? You know?

896
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: But I think to me, Mahomes proved that it doesn't

897
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: really matter, you know, as long as they're I mean

898
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: to that, it's really gonna just come down to for them.

899
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: It's it's like what I felt like with with this

900
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: team in the mid twenty tens, was just are Brady

901
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 3: Gronkin Edelman healthy, because then I'll give them a chance

902
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: against absolutely anybody. And I feel similarly now with with Mahomes,

903
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: even if it's you know, just him, he's probably gonna

904
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: pull that team to at least a couple of AFC

905
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: Conference games, you know, when they have all their best

906
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: player got heard and you know he's kind of just

907
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: trying to cobble it together like Brady had to do

908
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: a couple of times. He's able to do that.

909
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: Yep, all right? Eight five five PATS five hundred is

910
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: the ace ticking hot line web radio at Patriots dot com.

911
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 5: Is the email address? Is Paul coming?

912
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 6: There's no, He's on vacation.

913
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 5: Paul's where is he?

914
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: Uh? I don't know. He drove there. It's in the South.

915
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like South Carolina or something like that. South Yeah,

916
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: Myrtle Beach, Myrtle Beach, that's is that where he is?

917
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the Perlos stopping grounds.

918
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: And then Evan is is he writing?

919
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: And Evan's gonna write something, then he should be down

920
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 3: I think for the second half. Second half?

921
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's get to the phones. We don't

922
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 5: have to break for food or anything. Right, Paul's not here.

923
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: I just got to eat a banana.

924
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 5: All right. Well, we'll take some calls. Let's go to

925
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: We'll start with David in New York. What's up, David?

926
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 10: Hey, guys are going good. So I had an NFL

927
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 10: point first, and then I had a Patriots point to

928
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 10: tie it back in. So my first one about the

929
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 10: quarterback contract is I have this opinion, and I don't

930
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 10: like the narrative that just because your quarterback was the

931
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 10: highest paid quarterback five years ago, it means your contract,

932
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 10: his contract is the steel Now. I mean I came

933
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 10: up with the analogy just like a few minutes ago.

934
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 10: It's like bragging him out buying a big Mac for

935
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 10: a dollar in two thousand and seven, and now.

936
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 12: It's worth four.

937
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 10: It's like, no, that's what it was, that's what he

938
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 10: was worth.

939
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 13: At the time.

940
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 10: No, but but here's the contract to steel.

941
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: But here's the thing. The reason why you can kind

942
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 5: of say that, though, is because the salary cap goes

943
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: up so much. You know, it all factors into the

944
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: salary cap. So you know, five years ago that was

945
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 5: a bigger percentage of Kansas City's overall salary cap. Now

946
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 5: it's a lot less because the salary cap keeps going

947
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: up so much, so in a way, it does become

948
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: a bargain after five years with the rate of the

949
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 5: salary cap going up. You know.

950
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm mostly talking about like because I think if

951
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 10: you have the far and away best quarterback in the league,

952
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 10: doesn't really matter what you pay him. I'd give him

953
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 10: homes whatever he wants. But if you're talking like the

954
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Speaker 10: two to top ten range, like, I don't know, Like

955
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 10: it just doesn't seem like.

956
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 11: It's much of a steal.

957
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: It's still I mean, I think you just know it's

958
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: going to be the biggest, probably the biggest contract on

959
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: your team, and it is what it is. And how

960
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: you know if it's one percentage of.

961
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 10: My Patriots point. I think that people are putting too

962
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 10: much emphasis on the flashy positions like the wide receiver,

963
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 10: the tight end, that sort of thing. And while I

964
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 10: think we still need a wide receiver one, I just

965
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 10: I don't I would like to see it, But at

966
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 10: the same time, I don't think it's a smart idea

967
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 10: to draft as they flowers at fourteen when there's a

968
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 10: Joey Porter Roderi Jones available.

969
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 9: Yeah.

970
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of people as well. Yeah,

971
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: a lot of people agree with you. Yeah, thanks David.

972
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: Speaking of wide receivers, I don't have my beast Dane

973
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: Brugler's beast, but I was going through the wide receivers

974
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 5: and there's a kid, I think late round from West Virginia.

975
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: I forget his name that I really like. Hmm, yeah,

976
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 5: I'll get that name. I put a sticky note there.

977
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: I'll look it up when I get it.

978
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 9: I'm on the search.

979
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Virginia attackiack Virginia or West Virginia.

980
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 5: I might have been West Virginia. That's right, you're Virginia Tech, right.

981
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 9: West Virginia is one of our arrivals. Actually, hok, he's

982
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 9: not Mountaineers, I will say. On Peter Schregger's board up

983
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 9: there for wide receivers, they was like number six going

984
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 9: to like the Giants, which I really don't like that.

985
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 9: I don't know six overall, No, yeah, like six overall

986
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 9: going to the Why Well, I'm like.

987
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's there. I guess his thinking is we just

988
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: gave Daniel Jones a truckload of money. We got to

989
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: give him something.

990
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 9: Is it Bryce Ford Wheaton? Is that his name?

991
00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 5: That might have been it?

992
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, from West Virginia.

993
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is he? Like? Sixty three?

994
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 9: He's an intriguing late round prospect.

995
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that's the guy. That's the guy. That's that's

996
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: the guy.

997
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 9: You're right, six four twenty one pounds.

998
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the guy. I had him a little less weight.

999
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 9: But yeah, I mean yeah, that's probably like his pre pre.

1000
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the French gyms. But I'd take him late.

1001
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 5: You know. Let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's

1002
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 5: up Todd?

1003
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, I could listen to do some tomorrow all

1004
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 14: the time. They need to do some sports audio books.

1005
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 12: I think that's right.

1006
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 13: Voices, Okay, all right.

1007
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 14: Good work, Fred, You got the right guys there. My

1008
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 14: thing is I got two quick ones.

1009
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 11: Number one.

1010
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 12: How many people can.

1011
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 14: We protect on that practice squad? Because, like you said,

1012
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 14: Judn't is getting older, some of these other guys getting older.

1013
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 14: We might need to have some people there for future development.

1014
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 14: I know you could protect like two last year was

1015
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 14: it or is it three?

1016
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1017
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 5: I thought there was a change a lot of people. Yeah,

1018
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 5: there was for offensive lineman or I forget what it

1019
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 5: was and they've made it easier. But there's like ten

1020
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 5: people on the practice squad now, right right, more than

1021
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: that markets. Yeah, so it's like, I don't know, protecting

1022
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: him doesn't really bother me. You just bring other people in.

1023
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 14: Yeah, And the next thing is a quick question about

1024
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 14: your old protege there Fred. Mister Hart actually came out

1025
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 14: and said that he feels that Bill has has lost

1026
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 14: a bit of his fastball with some of the things

1027
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 14: he said and some of the stuff he's done and

1028
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 14: some of the retractions he had to make. So I'll

1029
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 14: take that answer off the air, but I'm really curious

1030
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 14: to what you guys think about mister Hart.

1031
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks. I didn't hear the context in which he

1032
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: said it, and so I'm only going with what Todd says.

1033
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: I think Bill's in a different position. I think, you know, uh,

1034
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 5: he hasn't been in the position you know for twenty

1035
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 5: years while Brady was here, and so you know, he

1036
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 5: he's forced to address things that he hasn't had to address,

1037
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 5: and so we're seeing, you know, the twenty five year comment,

1038
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 5: you know, which was way out of character. Even a

1039
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: guy like Teddy Bruski came out and said that's not

1040
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 5: something he I would ever think he would have said.

1041
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 5: You know, so when Teddy says it, it's not just

1042
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 5: us dummies, you know, raising our eyebrows.

1043
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: And he's had to come out a couple of times

1044
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: and clarify, yeah, I'm meant which is you know?

1045
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 5: So I think it's the situation forces you know, different

1046
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: questions and of course different answers. And you know, Bill,

1047
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 5: Bill was never good, you know in terms of like

1048
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: handling the media like he was good in deflecting them

1049
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 5: and just basically putting his hand out and saying an

1050
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not answering, you know, but now it's tougher

1051
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 5: because you're not winning. When you're winning, you can do that.

1052
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 5: But when you're not winning, now you you know, it

1053
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: does it's not a good look to refuse to answer.

1054
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: So it's a it's a new situation and we're seeing

1055
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 5: new answers.

1056
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: I think that's something that's kind of underrated but really

1057
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: obvious of just how hard it is when you're not

1058
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: doing well as a sports team and just everything gets

1059
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: drummed up to a bigger level, and you know, it's

1060
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: it's also just that last year was a mistake, and

1061
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's any other way to

1062
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: cut it than you know, it was a mistake the

1063
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: way that that year was handled offensively, and I think

1064
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: we're still kind of waiting to see how that accountability

1065
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: comes forward, and you know, do we see it when

1066
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 3: we get out there on the field and feel like, well,

1067
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: things have been rectified. You're never going to pin him down.

1068
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: But it's just a lot harder when things aren't going

1069
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: great and you can't just say, well, look, we're winning games.

1070
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: So I don't know what you guys are complaining about now.

1071
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: It's there's nothing to go to and people are right, yeah.

1072
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 5: So I mean different circumstances, you know, reveal different things.

1073
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: And so we're seeing a side of you know, Bill

1074
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: Belichick that we haven't seen. Now you go back to Cleveland.

1075
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of what happened there can be,

1076
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 5: you know, accountable to the fact that he wasn't experienced

1077
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 5: as a head coach. He had never done it before.

1078
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 5: But I mean he had a real tough time with

1079
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 5: the media back then. He got really surly with them.

1080
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 5: You know, there's a couple of comments I won't repeat

1081
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: here that you know, where he famously said and they

1082
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 5: just weren't winning, you know. Plus he had a little

1083
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 5: bit of a quarterback controversy back then, so you would

1084
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 5: think that he had learned a lot since then. But

1085
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: you know, with when it's hard, like I don't want

1086
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 5: to be a psychiatrist, but when you are as smart

1087
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: as Bill Belichick is, and he is smart, like he

1088
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 5: could be the CEO of any company in any you know, genre,

1089
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: because he's that smart, he would just learn it. Like,

1090
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 5: he doesn't have patience with us folk. He doesn't, you know,

1091
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 5: and that's that's not a good thing. That's not an attribute.

1092
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that's something he should be lauded over.

1093
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 5: It's it is one of his faults. It's one of

1094
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: his weaknesses. He just doesn't have patience with people because

1095
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 5: he is smarter than most people. And that's just a fact,

1096
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 5: that's not just him thinking it.

1097
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: He is certainly with football especially. But I have a

1098
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: question for the group would be what do you think

1099
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: was the average length of regime of the Dolphins, Bills,

1100
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: Jets during the twenty years of the Patriots runs?

1101
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 6: You know, how many times did they all?

1102
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: Right, we got a new quarterback, we got a new coach,

1103
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: we drafted a first round quarterback.

1104
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 6: We feel really good about this.

1105
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 3: We got hammered six or eight straight times by the Patriots,

1106
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: and now we're gonna blow it up, you know, because

1107
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: that's somewhat to what the Patriots are right now. So

1108
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it's it's hard to try to

1109
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: stay the course with those kind of you know things,

1110
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: and I mean just bills. I mean they're just going

1111
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: to quarterback names, coaches names, going through my head of

1112
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: how hard it is to you know, maintain your belief

1113
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: and a head coach and a quarterback and a whole structure.

1114
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: When all right, we're in your three. Now we're in

1115
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: your four. We're still losing to the Patriots. You know,

1116
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: now it's time to blow it up. It's you see

1117
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: what they're up against, and it's it's a rising tide

1118
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: until they you know, get back to that point where

1119
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 3: you feel like, all right, now we're really in that conversation.

1120
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: But we know some of those teams never got there.

1121
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: No, you're in you're always in that catch up mode.

1122
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 5: And having you know, back then, having Belichick and Brady

1123
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: in your division forces you to make decisions that you

1124
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 5: wouldn't otherwise make. It makes you become impatient. Your fans

1125
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 5: are impatient, ownership's impatient, your sponsors are impatient because there's

1126
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 5: you know, like it's like this constant pressure to get better,

1127
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: and like you said, you make you make, you make

1128
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 5: decisions that you know, the Patriots didn't have to make,

1129
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 5: whether it's coaching or you know, players, and it's it's

1130
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 5: it's tough, and you get into this vicious cycle of

1131
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 5: just churn.

1132
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 9: I feel like the teams that have made it out

1133
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 9: of that cycle and they're actually doing well took risks,

1134
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 9: big risks that ended up, you know, benefiting them. Look

1135
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 9: at the Bills, I mean, and I'm scared to say,

1136
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 9: look at the Jets. Maybe maybe in due time. Look

1137
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 9: at the Jets.

1138
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 5: When you talk about risks, Sean McVay, young guy Rams,

1139
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, you could consider that at risk and it

1140
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 5: paid off for them, you know.

1141
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 9: And I think even like some of the players that

1142
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 9: they're paying money for or like trading for, I think

1143
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 9: that the Patriots, unfortunately they are gonna have to start

1144
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 9: doing that. They have to look at it and be like, okay,

1145
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 9: we can't we can't rest in our morals like we

1146
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 9: have to do something differently to get back to where

1147
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 9: we used to be, and I think that starts with

1148
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 9: taking risks and paying people, trading for people, and not

1149
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 9: just sitting back. I mean, I know, like we're saying

1150
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 9: the draft is huge, but I still think we shouldn't

1151
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 9: miss out on those opportunities to take risks when they

1152
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 9: are available.

1153
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 6: I like the taking risklings.

1154
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: I mean I also say teams that stink and then

1155
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: hit on their high round draft, you know, so like

1156
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: the Bengals, you know, so like I give, I totally

1157
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: think the Bills are a good example of your point,

1158
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: where you know, Josh Allen had some wartz and they

1159
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: and you know, they had to have some kind of

1160
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: projection of what he was going to be. Where's a

1161
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: team like the Bengals, They just they stunk, but they

1162
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: made those picks.

1163
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's hard for the Patriots is

1164
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 6: that are they.

1165
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: Ever gonna stink bad enough to get those top ten

1166
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: picks to really get those impact players, because if they don't,

1167
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: to your point, they've got to be a little risky.

1168
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: They've got to be smart. They've got to figure out

1169
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: exactly what they need and be targeted with what they

1170
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 3: ends a little bit of what you heard from Grow.

1171
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 3: We'll see if they actually do it.

1172
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 9: And I like what he said today that he said

1173
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 9: he is a veil. They know what they need to do.

1174
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 9: If they do need to trade up or trade back,

1175
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 9: they said they have looked at those So I thought

1176
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 9: that that was interesting, and I would be interested to

1177
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 9: see them trade up and go get someone they really

1178
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 9: want if he's there, like say if a handed hooker

1179
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 9: or somebody comes out of nowhere and pushes somebody back

1180
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 9: that they want. But they're like two spots up and

1181
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 9: you need to go get them, Go get them, Like

1182
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 9: if you think he's going to be that difference maker

1183
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 9: right now, Yeah, and you don't want to miss out

1184
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 9: on them, go get them.

1185
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 5: Grow mention the word conviction. Yeah, if you have the

1186
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 5: conviction and the consensus. He said, it's great when there's

1187
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 5: consensus on a guy, you know, then go get them,

1188
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 5: Go get them.

1189
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 9: Don't wait to hope that he's going to get their fourteen.

1190
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 5: Go get him, Go get them.

1191
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know who else I would trade

1192
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: up for. To be honest, I like I would trade

1193
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: out for Gonzales. I think you know, he's just an

1194
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: all around, do everything, plug him in day one outside

1195
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: cornerback kind of a guy. But otherwise it's it's hard

1196
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: to really for me to say, I'm not going to

1197
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: really probably trade up for any of the receivers. I

1198
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 3: think some of the I mean, you can make a

1199
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: case if you love Paris Johnson that he is just

1200
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: a you know, a prototypical left tackle type, and there's

1201
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: a reason too. But he's also you know, inexperience, So

1202
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: there's some questions that I think people would say, oh,

1203
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm alright, waiting a little bit. I'm going to get

1204
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 3: another tackle that you know has similar kind of developmental questions.

1205
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: So I don't know that would be my question, A

1206
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: big good one for Evan maybe when he comes down

1207
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: of just you know, what players do you think are

1208
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: really worth it to trade up? And I mean worth

1209
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: it because I think the Patriots have some holes and

1210
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: I think they have a number of things they need

1211
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: to fill on day two. It's hard to say, are

1212
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: we going to package forty six and fourteen to go

1213
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: up to ten or twelve or something like that. You know,

1214
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: It's just I don't like anybody that much to have

1215
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: those two picks. I'd rather trade down and try to

1216
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: get multiple picks there in D.

1217
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: Two Williams and Philim. What's up William william Hey?

1218
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 11: How you doing there?

1219
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 5: You are? There?

1220
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 9: Is?

1221
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 11: Sorry, but I'm sorry about that. I had it on

1222
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 11: and what not. Sorry. I just want to I want

1223
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 11: to start first. I called last week and I was

1224
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 11: kind of a little bit harsh, you know, saying I

1225
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 11: hate Bill Belichick. It's just that he pissed me off

1226
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 11: for it. I don't hate him because I wasn't. I

1227
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 11: wasn't raised to hate anybody, you know what I mean.

1228
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 11: I disliked what he did. Yeah, but I don't hate

1229
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 11: Bill Belichick. They's just just the moves and things that

1230
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 11: he do sometimes just hurts me. So I just wanted

1231
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 11: to just give to give a scenario, just to piggybank

1232
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 11: off of what Mike said. Mike's said, well, you know

1233
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 11: about giving up draft capital that we'll get this player.

1234
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 11: If you once that player might guess what it's going

1235
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 11: to be. So just give you a scenario real fast.

1236
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 11: If if the Patriots wanted uh JSN Paris Paris Johnson,

1237
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 11: Christian Gonzales or even Devon web Wetherspoon, You're gonna have

1238
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 11: to give up the safe state. You want to trade

1239
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 11: with the Philadelphi Eagles, Okay, be able to you know,

1240
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 11: to get the number ten, I give us the first

1241
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 11: a third and maybe even first third and maybe even

1242
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 11: a fourth. Is it worth it? Yeah? Yeah, out of

1243
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 11: those names, take the best pit. I mean, you can't

1244
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 11: lose on even one of them.

1245
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but I think you named four guys.

1246
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I think one of those four probably be

1247
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 3: there at fourteen. You know, if you if you're talking

1248
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: about all four of those guys are there at twelve.

1249
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 6: You know, I'd be okay waiting, I don't.

1250
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: I don't see, like, I don't think JSN is worth

1251
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: the whole draft to you know, to do I just

1252
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 3: I maybe could make a case for Gonzales. But he's

1253
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: not Garrett Wilson. To me, he's not Chris Olave.

1254
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 11: You don't you wait wait wait wait a minute, okay,

1255
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 11: wait a minute, I got to get some question, have you. Okay,

1256
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 11: he's the he's clearly probably the best out of all them,

1257
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 11: of the next to Zay Flowers too basically out. But

1258
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm just saying, well, okay, let's just scoot

1259
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 11: him out le's scoot the wide receivers out because we

1260
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 11: know the wide receiver clans ain't really that great though,

1261
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 11: not like last year is basically. But I'm saying for

1262
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 11: Paris Johnson though, because you got Tennessee, Texas and the

1263
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 11: Jets they're going to take him, You've got to jump

1264
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 11: in front of three of them. They get either him

1265
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 11: Christian or Christian guns out. How about that? Is that fair?

1266
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1267
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And I think that's totally, you know, worth

1268
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: worth a conversation and consideration for sure. I mean, I

1269
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: think those are two big important positions in need that

1270
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 3: I think if you trade up to get those guys,

1271
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: you're probably plugging them in for five years and they're

1272
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: going to be really good players for you.

1273
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I'm with you on those ones.

1274
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: I just but after those two guys, that's where I

1275
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: start to get a little bit like, well, who you know,

1276
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: like unless maybe you want to talk quarterbacks.

1277
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 11: But I'm with you all the way. Well, thank y'all,

1278
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 11: and y'all take here.

1279
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, thanks William, appreciate it, all right? Just Marker, Yeah,

1280
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 5: I didn't want to get it all over my fingers.

1281
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 5: Noah's in Toronto. What's up, Noah.

1282
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 15: I just want a quick question about Marcus Jones. Obviously,

1283
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 15: he made you know, a lot of splash plays as

1284
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 15: a return around a gadget offense player last year, but

1285
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 15: I feel like I don't really know how well he

1286
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 15: did as a corner, which is where his value should

1287
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 15: be really coming front. So you know, I forget how

1288
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 15: well did he do as a corner last year? And

1289
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 15: what do you guys see his role being on defense

1290
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 15: this year?

1291
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 5: Thanks Noah. I think there were certain situations last year

1292
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 5: where he was playing his true position in inside corner

1293
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 5: on some quick guys where he really did help out. Yes,

1294
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 5: you know, he really did help out. He did his job,

1295
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 5: you know, didn't come away with a lot of interceptions

1296
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: or anything, but really, you know, kept up with players,

1297
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: and you know, I think there were some injuries at

1298
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: cornerback and it forced a lot of guys to play

1299
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 5: positions that they really weren't suited for. But I think

1300
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: if you keep him in a certain role at cornerback,

1301
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 5: he's going to be fine. Yeah, but then when when

1302
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 5: you add the returnability and the gadget offensive ability, this

1303
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 5: is a Swiss Army knife guy, you know, Yeah.

1304
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 3: I think he's got to be inside. I mean, I forgot,

1305
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting what game Paula remember, but there was one game,

1306
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: what near the end where he was playing on the

1307
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: outside for Mills and yeah, you know, it's right with

1308
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: the guy, but just doesn't have quite the height to compete.

1309
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's one of the things that

1310
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: nobody talks about as much is coming out. He's just

1311
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: outstanding at playing man coverage and sticking with guys, and

1312
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 3: I think we saw some glimpses of it last year,

1313
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: but I think, you know, to the point of like

1314
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: a Christian Gonzales, where hey, let's get the outside lockdown

1315
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: with you know, maybe a top round rookie pick and

1316
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones, and you know, then you have the ability

1317
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 3: to really put Marcus Jones in positions to do what

1318
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: he does best, which is, you know, put him against

1319
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: these little guys and have him stick. I think if

1320
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 3: he's able to play in that role, I think he

1321
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: could be one of the best slot corners in the

1322
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: league just because of how athletic he is. I think

1323
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: that the sky is the limit for this kid as

1324
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: far as what he can do and the excitement he

1325
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: can just bring to this team. I think that they need,

1326
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: you know, a marketable kind of you know guy who's

1327
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, we had him on the Draft show. He's

1328
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: just you know, great kid, really likable. I know he's

1329
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 3: into music too, and you know, just everything he says,

1330
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: he just he seems like he goes about everything.

1331
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 9: Right.

1332
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 5: I don't think he's ever going to be an all

1333
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 5: pro corner, but he's going to be a great scheme corner.

1334
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 5: Where like you're playing Miami and you got to do

1335
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 5: something with Tyreek Hill and so the plan is, you know,

1336
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 5: it's Marcus Jones off the line, but he's got help. Yeah,

1337
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: you know, so it's kind of that man's zone type

1338
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: of hybrid and you know he's going to be with him.

1339
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 5: So even if the catch is made, there's not going

1340
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: to be a lot of yards after catch.

1341
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 14: You know.

1342
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 9: Were you in the room with Brian Belichick today when

1343
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 9: they were asking about filling the void? Yeah of Devin, Yeah, yep,

1344
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 9: an easy way yeah yeah. And that's why I'm thinking

1345
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 9: fourteen could be a corner, I mean, or just just

1346
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 9: to I don't know, I'm just so torn about missing

1347
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 9: Devon and not having him there and just I just

1348
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 9: don't want them to like fall short in that area

1349
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 9: just because they think that they have Like some guys

1350
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 9: like you know, Jalen can play two positions, so the

1351
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 9: guys like that who they're like, oh, we'll be fine,

1352
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 9: like just with a mixture of those of a couple

1353
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 9: of those guys. But he's multiple to fill his role.

1354
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: It's just as hard to see. I mean, I can

1355
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: see them taking a corner, but I don't know how

1356
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: much that really affects replacing Devon. And I think it's

1357
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: gonna be some combination. I mean, he was specifically asked

1358
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: about Mills, you know, comments that he's played safety before,

1359
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: and you know, it's and it's like when I talk

1360
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: to pel Green, I'm like, you know, and he's technically

1361
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: the cornerbacks coach. I'm like, you lost Devin out of

1362
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: your room. Because they just they all work together, they

1363
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: all consider themselves well. I think it's gonna be some

1364
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: kind of combination of everybody chipping in. I just it's

1365
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: I have a hard time seeing if it wasn't a

1366
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: free agent like a Jesse Bates, someone who's very established

1367
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: and knows what he's doing. It's hard to see them

1368
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: drafting one of these rookies and being like, all right,

1369
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: you got it. You're on the back end of our defense.

1370
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 6: Don't get beat deep.

1371
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: But I will say you look at the twenty twelve

1372
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: season before Devin really moved to this safety role full time,

1373
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: and they were repeatedly torched deep, especially against Seattle. Remember

1374
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: a couple of those with Tamon Wilson, you know, where

1375
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: they were trying to play strong safety types as free safeties.

1376
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: They just didn't have the instincts and the big plays

1377
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: just killed them that year. That's something that we know

1378
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 3: it can't happen with the offenses that they faced weekly.

1379
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: Now, my god, Patty's an Agua. What's up? Patty?

1380
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 12: Hey doing great on vacation with my twins who are

1381
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 12: up from school this week.

1382
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: Nice?

1383
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 13: Awesome.

1384
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: What are you guys doing.

1385
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 12: We're just chilling. You know, we're gonna we'll probably hit

1386
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 12: like a trampoline park later this week. We're going to

1387
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 12: go to the library today.

1388
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 5: Okay, great, what's the question?

1389
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 6: A vacation? I thought we were somewhere fun.

1390
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 12: Now it's staycation. So I had a question regarding josh

1391
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 12: Ucha and do you guys see a situation where they

1392
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 12: possibly they lock him up long term because I know, Deuce,

1393
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 12: you've said it before. I mean this this whole like

1394
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 12: searching outside when we're not re signing our good own,

1395
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 12: homegrown talent. And I could see, like Josh, he looks

1396
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 12: like at least the last couple of years sort of

1397
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 12: like Tetrid Twise was like, like, he's sort of on

1398
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 12: an upward trajectory. And you know, if you're gonna lose

1399
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 12: Matt Judahon in a year or two, like if they

1400
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 12: do the same thing they did with Steph Gilmore and

1401
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 12: cut Ties a year early, wouldn't it make sense to

1402
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 12: like lock this guy long term, especially if he's going upwards.

1403
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 5: It's certainly what Use showed last year was really hopeful.

1404
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: But to me it was just one year. I don't

1405
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: know where the second year comes in, but he had

1406
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 5: a good year last year. I'm intrigued, you know. I

1407
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 5: I'd be willing to sit down with him right now

1408
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 5: and talk about an extension, but I'm not emptying the

1409
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 5: brinks truck for him yet. You know, he hasn't shown

1410
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 5: to me to be consistently elite outside now. Again, it

1411
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 5: depends on what he's looking for. You know, if he

1412
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 5: and his agent are willing to, you know, be reasonable

1413
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 5: about it. I I I would look to lock him up,

1414
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 5: but I'm not gonna pay him elite edge money yet.

1415
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 5: You know, let's see what he does this year.

1416
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: A lot of unpacked there. I mean, I think just

1417
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: worth like thirty percent snap players. I mean, he's he's

1418
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: basically a one down player. He was in his third year.

1419
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: So you know, you always hear them say the more

1420
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: you can do versatility. I mean, he's not a versatile guy.

1421
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: He's a one trick pony. He does one thing pretty

1422
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: good and you know, certainly had a breakout year last year.

1423
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: But it's just hard hard to say, are they gonna,

1424
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: you know, pay him for all those sacks?

1425
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 6: Like I you know, it's such a buyer beware situation.

1426
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: I compare to Mark Anderson when him Andrew Carter were

1427
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: here in twenty eleven, and Andrew Carter got hurt. Mark

1428
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: Anderson I think had ten sacks and went and got

1429
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: paid by Buffalo, and you know it wasn't really that guy.

1430
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a favorable situation for josh Ucha

1431
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: where it's basically like, all right, go out there, go

1432
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 3: get the quarterback, and there's not a lot for him

1433
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: to do. And I know over the years we've seen him,

1434
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 3: you know, work inside a little bit. They've tried to

1435
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: kind of figure out what he can do.

1436
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 6: But I just I think in.

1437
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: The long term you have to find you know, if

1438
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: you could combine him with Jennings, you probably have a

1439
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: pretty you know, the all around guy.

1440
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 6: But well, you met both just kind of.

1441
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 5: Thirty percent snaps last year, right, I'd say that he

1442
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 5: did a pretty good job maximizing while he was absolutely

1443
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 5: but to me, that commands a certain amount of money,

1444
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 5: Like he's not an every down player, you know, so

1445
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 5: it just depends on what his expectations are. But I

1446
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 5: think there there's a need for that guy. There's a

1447
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 5: need for that.

1448
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: That's totally the point I was just about to make,

1449
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: like like, it's not you. I don't want it to

1450
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: sound like he's nothing. Like it's a passing league and

1451
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 3: if you don't have guys that can get out there

1452
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: and get after the quarterback, and certainly he has the

1453
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: kind of athleticism to stick with some of these athletic quarterbacks.

1454
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 6: But you're just you're paying this guy.

1455
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: For one down, and I mean, we know around here

1456
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: they want four down guys they want, you know, or

1457
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: at least the potential that they might develop.

1458
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 5: Now, I thought, yeah, you're paying him for one situation,

1459
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 5: which is.

1460
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 6: An important situation to get off that field.

1461
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, But I'd also say.

1462
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 3: It, and I made this point plenty of times this offseason,

1463
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: for all the sacks that they produced last year, I mean,

1464
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: they were in the bottom half of the league on

1465
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: third down defense, So you know, it's yeah, they're productive

1466
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: in sacks, but it's more than sacks about getting off

1467
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: the field and you know, being able to especially against

1468
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: the good teams.

1469
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 6: I just one more point to make on it.

1470
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 3: I thought, I mean, I think that Tutrick wise Things

1471
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: is a good comp that he brought up. They have

1472
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: different players, but I think Dietrich Wise was kind of

1473
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: more of a pass rusher early in his career, and

1474
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: you know when you saw him that the game against

1475
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: Tennessee comes to mind, the playoffs in twenty nineteen, when

1476
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: you know he just wasn't a run stopper. I mean,

1477
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: he's got good length, but he just kind of get

1478
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 3: pushed around. And I thought last year his technique kind

1479
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: of took a sudden surge.

1480
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 6: Now, could that happen with.

1481
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 5: I faded a little down the stretch though. Wise, yeah, I.

1482
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: Don't know if it's gonna happen with ch just because

1483
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: I don't think really has the size to play in

1484
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: this defense consistently first second down. It's just it is

1485
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: what it is.

1486
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 5: Eldred in North Carolina, Hey, Aldred.

1487
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 13: Hey Fred, heighty tomorrow. How y'all doing good?

1488
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: Right?

1489
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 13: Pretty good too? I heard the first part of the show.

1490
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 13: I loved where you tomorrow was talking and Fred. But

1491
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 13: I'm I'm hoping that we do trade up and Mike

1492
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 13: with you.

1493
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 5: Man.

1494
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 13: I don't want to go over and get right now.

1495
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 13: It's Gonzales seeven Goma wide receiver guy, but we need

1496
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 13: that corner. And I don't care what nobody said last

1497
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 13: year draft, I still stay with the f you got

1498
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 13: Marcus Jones, But like I said last year, he's too short.

1499
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 13: He can't run against through A big guy with speed

1500
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 13: and a quarterback is accurate. We've seen that last year.

1501
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 13: Us a good Meals and us a good Jones. So

1502
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 13: you're gonna need somebody on the outside. We had a

1503
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 13: chance to get one left last year, but we got strange.

1504
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 13: And what bothered me, it's the same guy doing the picket.

1505
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 13: I know everybody talked that last year to talk to

1506
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 13: this year, but the same guys doing the picket. Yeah,

1507
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 13: and that's what I can't get really get paid.

1508
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I just wonder I would love to know

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Speaker 5: exactly what went on with that cold, strange picka.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like to me, it means nothing to lean

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Speaker 9: on the guys like Bill O'Brien or you know, anyone

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Speaker 9: else that they're tapping into to get insight. You know,

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Speaker 9: he grow gave a lot of credit to his assistance

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Speaker 9: for all the work that they do on character and

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Speaker 9: things that we don't know about when we're scouting. But

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Speaker 9: it's like, how much of that are you actually listening

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Speaker 9: to and how much of it is Bill? Just like,

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Speaker 9: I really don't care if this is.

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Speaker 13: What I want, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and do

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Speaker 13: so question. I know, I've been talking a lot about

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Speaker 13: Quintin Johnson and I like that guy from Texas, but

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Speaker 13: nobody's talking about Jalen Hyatt, Wow, from Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I've seen him, I've seen him

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Speaker 3: ranked as the top receiver in some of these classes,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think, I mean and I know, you know,

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Speaker 3: Evan's got a whole thing on him of of you know,

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Speaker 3: largely being schemed open. I mean, I think Tilman. I

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Speaker 3: liked Tillman better a little bit with his previous year

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Speaker 3: from what I saw him. But I mean, fast, tall

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Speaker 3: slot guy, you know. I mean that's I think what

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Speaker 3: he's what he's going to be. I've kind of shied

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Speaker 3: away from those guys just because I think they've got

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Speaker 3: like I just you can't run four verts every single down, like,

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Speaker 3: and it feels like that's kind of what they have

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 6: But I think he's one of those players.

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Speaker 3: Though that could suddenly just pop up and be the

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Speaker 3: top receiver taken or you know, second in that first round,

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Speaker 3: even though nobody's really talking about him. I think he's right.

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Speaker 13: No, but I've seen a bunch of people taking him.

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Speaker 13: Uh let's see. I think Ken State was one of them.

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Speaker 13: And I know Buffalo is. They keep saying Buffalo is

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Speaker 13: going after my guy, Quinn Johnson, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 13: if he team up with Diggs, I don't gonna hate

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Speaker 13: to see that because they're like DK Mitya, I know

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Speaker 13: you ain't a fast the MADCAF, but like I said,

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Speaker 13: you don't get open eat not a run route, But.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I like that question just because, And I think someone

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Speaker 9: it's like when you ask a friend like for outfit advice,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna wear this anyway. I just hope it's not

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Speaker 9: like that. I hope it's more of like a consensus,

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Speaker 9: like you said, Fred, I think I really hope that

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Speaker 9: it's like we put all of our research and resources in,

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Speaker 9: off of that data.

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Speaker 5: History.

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Speaker 6: Our lads have mac herron. They don't do the proper

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Speaker 21: I like how Paul says our lads, what is it called?

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Speaker 21: It's called our lads, not our lads. I thought it

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Speaker 21: was our lads, our hour. You are our Oh you are?

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Speaker 5: Oh you are? Is one syllooned owned. No, it's our No,

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Speaker 5: it's not our hour. It's like yours mine and our

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Speaker 5: do you say a R? E? Are?

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Speaker 5: It's the same you are?

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Speaker 22: No, it's not you are, it's not ours. Looking up

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Speaker 22: is not too syllables R and R.

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Speaker 6: They're not the same thing, R.

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Speaker 5: Pronounced R. It's not our. My god, that's another great

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Speaker 5: I paid thirty seven dollars for sub.

1719
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 4: It was ridiculous. The delivery services is how they get you. Yeah,

1720
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 4: careful with that.

1721
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 5: Thirty seven bucks for a number thirteen sub and a

1722
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 5: bag of chips. It's not like Uber eats or what

1723
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 5: it was Uber eats, right, yeah, you know, dude, you

1724
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 5: know what. It is one of those kind of I

1725
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 5: just get my car and drive. I mean what, Yeah,

1726
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 5: I didn't have a ky dad.

1727
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1728
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: I got a twenty five dollars gift card for one

1729
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 3: of my kids to Jersey Mikes for my birthday and

1730
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 3: they send you a free sub, free points if you're

1731
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: on there, if you're on the rewards thing.

1732
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 5: So so I got I got the most expensive sub

1733
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 5: I've ever bought. It was so good.

1734
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 6: Did you did you have a pause for a second

1735
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 6: before you hit like okay?

1736
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 5: No, I mean I was. I was just said, like,

1737
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 5: what else am I going to do? You know? So

1738
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 5: I just sucked it up. But it was good. It's

1739
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 5: it works good.

1740
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: Thirty thirty seven dollars. You should have just upgraded and

1741
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 3: gotten like the Jumbo, because if you're gonna like then

1742
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: you would have spent like an extra three bucks.

1743
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 6: It would have been forty.

1744
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 5: But she would have had ten SHUBs, you know, two meals, right, Yeah,

1745
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 5: I get the regular size, which is pretty big.

1746
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 3: I think it's me and Paul have this discussion a lot.

1747
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 3: It's just it's a little too small, but the jumbo

1748
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 3: is a little too big. You need like a middle size.

1749
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 3: We talked about what if we got a job. Yeah,

1750
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: he's pretty big, man. They stuff it. It's not like

1751
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's big. Sometimes when I'm kind of hungry,

1752
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 3: like I could do a mini and that's fine.

1753
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 5: Really, Yeah, I.

1754
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 4: Did a many a couple of weeks ago because we

1755
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 4: were going to my parents' house for dinner and it

1756
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 4: was kind of in between lunch and dinner. So I

1757
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 4: just was like, all right, I'll just get a mini

1758
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: and then that'll hold me over until dinner, and it

1759
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 4: worked out perfectly.

1760
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, that was my Jersey mic story. But Evan,

1761
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 5: more importantly, you were also at the availability today, were

1762
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,879
Speaker 5: you with O'Brien? Yes, And so what were your highlights?

1763
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, I was talking upstairs about

1764
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 4: that scene in Iron Man three at the end where

1765
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 4: he initiates clean Slate protocol and all the iron Men

1766
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 4: blow up across the board. That's a little how it

1767
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 4: felt today with Bill O'Brien. He must have said clean

1768
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 4: slate ten times. And I think that's really the motto

1769
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 4: of the offense this spring and summer is that last

1770
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 4: year was last year. Whatever happened last year is a relevant,

1771
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 4: new coach, new offensive coordinator, really irrelevant to anything to

1772
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien's knowledge, and we're moving forward. It's a clean slate.

1773
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 4: And I think that trickled on up and down from

1774
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 4: the quarterback to pretty much everybody else on the roster.

1775
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 4: So from that perspective, I felt like it was a

1776
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 4: good thing that that's the way that he was speaking

1777
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: now as I normally do, try to ask him some

1778
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 4: ex's and o's questions, and I think he told Tom

1779
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 4: Kerrn that it would be crazy of him to tell

1780
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,520
Speaker 4: us what they're going to do offensively from a schematic perspective,

1781
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 4: So he played that close to the vest. But I

1782
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 4: think in general, the general sentiment was we're moving forward,

1783
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: we're not looking in the rearview mirror, and everybody's got

1784
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 4: a clean slate, and from now on is when you

1785
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 4: start to make an impression on Bill O'Briant.

1786
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean that makes sense. Will you at all

1787
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 5: surprised that grod Mayo was on a riser, you know,

1788
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,839
Speaker 5: talking on behalf of the defense?

1789
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 4: Yes, and no. I feel like the thing that's tricky

1790
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: about girod Mayo is that he dances around. And I'm

1791
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 4: not saying it as a negative, but it's just a

1792
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 4: fact he dances around. The questions about his role and

1793
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 4: what exactly do you do around here? And what is

1794
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 4: your title? He doesn't want to address those things. And

1795
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 4: somebody asked him about mister Kraft basically saying that he'd

1796
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 4: be happy for him to be the heir apparent to

1797
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick, and he essentially no commented that question. He

1798
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 4: was like, that's a tricky, tricky one for me to answer,

1799
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 4: so I'm not gonna touch it. And he doesn't. It

1800
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 4: seems like he is comfortable with his role and what

1801
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 4: the plan is. That was what he talked about, was

1802
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 4: the plan that they have put in place for him

1803
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 4: to grow as a coach, to eventually get to the

1804
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 4: point where he's a head coach. And the only other

1805
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 4: thing I took away from what he said is I

1806
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 4: think part of him feels like he's not ready to

1807
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 4: be a head coach in terms of his knowledge of

1808
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 4: everything that goes on with an organization. So he actually

1809
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 4: said that he's going to be around for a couple

1810
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 4: of years, not just this season, but said a couple

1811
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 4: of years. And I think that the general consensus was

1812
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 4: that he's playing the long game here, not necessarily about Bill,

1813
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 4: but more so about learning the ropes and learning the

1814
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 4: trade and not jumping into a head coaching opportunity too

1815
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 4: soon without having that background.

1816
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 5: Well that see, that makes it even more curious to

1817
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 5: me that he's there talking on behalf of the defense.

1818
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 5: You would. I thought that he might not even talk today,

1819
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 5: and then that Steve Belichick might be sort of the

1820
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 5: guy talking, you know, overall defense, you know, because because

1821
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 5: Gerard Mayo was going to be more in that kind

1822
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 5: of upper role where he's kind of floating around and

1823
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 5: learning what it really means to be a head coach.

1824
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I'm confused a little bit.

1825
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think Joe Judge is kind

1826
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 3: of doing that. Like I mean, I think Joe Judge

1827
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: is going to be the is going to be the

1828
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 3: the ernie, you know, I mean, and I think that's

1829
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 3: something that they might have missed last year is having

1830
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: that Matty p did it, And I know it's different,

1831
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: but I you know, I think as much talking as

1832
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 3: assistant head coach and those kind of titles and stuff.

1833
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 3: I think the concilierre, the guy in Bill's ear, I

1834
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 3: think will be Joe Judge. I'm wondering if that was

1835
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 3: a purposeful thing that, hey, we missed this element last year.

1836
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 3: We all know about some of the miscommunication, pre snap penalties,

1837
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 3: those kind of things that you know sometimes come from

1838
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: not all being on the same page. So maybe that's

1839
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 3: part of it too.

1840
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean if you're like, if you're in

1841
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 5: charge of the defense, then that's where your focus needs

1842
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 5: to be, you know what I mean?

1843
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Would you say, though, I mean I kind of feel

1844
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 3: like Girod Maybe he's not in charge of the defense,

1845
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 3: but I feel like he's kind of the emotional leader

1846
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 3: of the defense, like.

1847
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 5: You know, like that.

1848
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 4: That's always how the way I've always looked at it

1849
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 4: with the defense was that Gerard was the face of

1850
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 4: the defensive coaching staff and Steve was the play caller.

1851
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 4: So Gerrod is the guy, but.

1852
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 5: Who's who is formulating the defense?

1853
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 4: I think that's a collaborative thing I really do. And

1854
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 4: I would also, you don't form a defensive game plan

1855
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 4: on Bill Belichick's staff without Bill Belichick being in the room, right,

1856
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 4: I mean, why would you do that? So I think

1857
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 4: that ultimately it's Bill's defense. But I think Girod Mayo

1858
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 4: is the one that you consistently hear about presenting game

1859
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 4: plans to the players, breaking down film in front of

1860
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 4: the room, and really being the voice of the defense,

1861
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 4: where Steve is more of the guy behind the scenes

1862
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 4: that's maybe has a headset on game days in the playsheet,

1863
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 4: but is not necessarily out front and center in those

1864
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 4: eating rooms as much as Gerrod Mayo is. So when

1865
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 4: it comes to who's making the game plan, I think

1866
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 4: that that's collaborative. When you get to Sunday's Steve is

1867
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 4: calling the places, Gerrod said it. He said, Steve's been

1868
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 4: calling the play since twenty nineteen. Oh really, Oh yeah,

1869
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,440
Speaker 4: came out and we finally found out. So that was acknowledged,

1870
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 4: not that it hasn't been acknowledged in the past, but

1871
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 4: Garrod came out and said that, and he said he's

1872
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 4: fine with it, that he doesn't that that's not something

1873
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: that he's worried about or upset about, or even spending

1874
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 4: too much time thinking about that Steve is calling the

1875
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 4: plays and he's not. So in a lot of ways,

1876
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,440
Speaker 4: it feels kind of like a head coach coordinator hierarchy,

1877
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 4: but just only on the defensive side of the ball,

1878
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 4: where Gerard is handling a lot of the big picture

1879
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 4: organizational type stuff and presenting and things like that, and

1880
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 4: Steve's the one that's actually doing the play calling on

1881
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 4: game day.

1882
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I thought I thought there was a chance

1883
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 5: this year that Steve would become the defensive Yeah.

1884
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1885
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 4: It's a tricky thing to do because he is your

1886
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 4: son at the end of the night.

1887
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 5: The visual of it, but I think, yeah, I think

1888
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 5: he's probably pretty good. I mean, yeah, you know, I

1889
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 5: I think I think he could do it.

1890
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 6: You know, he looks, he looks the part, you know,

1891
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 6: I like, I know, he looks.

1892
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 5: You know, with the tongue and all that that meme

1893
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 5: got out there and all that. But I think he's

1894
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 5: I think he's got the chops to be a DC,

1895
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah.

1896
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 6: Of course, I mean I don't know.

1897
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of like the stupid look like,

1898
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't it's just it's always like like

1899
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 3: Rob Ryan, like, there's always those defensive coordinators.

1900
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 6: Who you know, they they look like they're there.

1901
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 4: I think on that side of the ball. Offensively, there

1902
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 4: it's most most of the time about creativity and being

1903
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 4: that kind of maestro, that chess master. Defensively, I think

1904
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: you got to have some khons because you there's gonna

1905
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 4: be times or you're going up against Josh Allen and

1906
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 4: if you're just gonna sit and soft zone the entire game,

1907
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: he's gonna rip you apart. But every once in a while,

1908
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 4: you got to come after him and really start to

1909
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 4: spin the dial a little bit. And I think they've

1910
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 4: done that. The one thing I would say about Steve's

1911
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 4: play calling is sometimes I feel like, especially in matchups

1912
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 4: against Alan recently, that he's just trying to throw every

1913
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 4: single call in the Rolodex at him, where maybe it's

1914
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 4: best to just kind of sit in a couple of

1915
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 4: different things that Alan has trouble with instead of just

1916
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 4: trying to hit him with volume, because I think at

1917
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 4: the end of the day, with a quarterback like that

1918
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 4: or a quarterback like Mahomes, they can create so much

1919
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 4: on those second reaction plays, on those extended plays that

1920
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 4: you can spend the dial on them all you want,

1921
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 4: but if he just doesn't understand what he's looking at,

1922
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 4: he's just gonna hold the ball and then just wait

1923
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 4: for it to break down and then play playground football.

1924
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: On kind of what they did to Brady two in

1925
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 3: twenty one, like just just like a Pote Perrie coverages.

1926
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 4: And Yeah, I just would sometimes I would like to

1927
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: see them really feel drown conviction about a specific game

1928
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 4: plan and a way to approach a certain quarterback and

1929
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 4: then just stick with it a little bit more. I

1930
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 4: think sometimes they get into their own heads of we

1931
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Speaker 4: will if we just sit in one thing, that this

1932
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Speaker 4: quarterback is going to pick us apart.

1933
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Speaker 9: Well.

1934
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Speaker 5: I think part of that is, you know, they have

1935
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 5: confidence their players, but they know that their players, there's

1936
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 5: no one on our defense that's that good that another

1937
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 5: team can't exploit. So they're trying to we can't just

1938
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 5: line up trying to avoid another team from identifying we

1939
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 5: got this guy or we got that guy, and they're

1940
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Speaker 5: trying to hide their weaknesses.

1941
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's two full because on one hand,

1942
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 4: I think that sometimes they overcomplicate things for themselves, but

1943
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 4: on the other hand, I'd be hard pressed to find

1944
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 4: a playbook that's as diverse as the Patriots defensive calls.

1945
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 4: I mean they they call everything in anything under the

1946
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 4: sun that they think might work, whether it's blitz Man's

1947
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 4: zone whatever. Like, they have literally every single thing at

1948
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 4: their fingertips to try to pull something out of the

1949
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: hat if they have to. So it's always great to

1950
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 4: watch their defense because every week, every down is something different.

1951
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 5: Web radio at Patriots dot com as the email address

1952
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,879
Speaker 5: Scott and Virginia writes it in. I thought an interesting

1953
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 5: comment from Matt grow was what he said about receivers

1954
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 5: being taken early. Specifically, all it takes is one to

1955
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 5: be taken in the first round, and then another and

1956
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 5: then another. To me, it sounds like in this draft

1957
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 5: it's best to be the first team to take a

1958
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 5: receiver to be sure you get your guy, because after

1959
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 5: that it's gonna be hard to read the board since

1960
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 5: a run on receivers will most likely occur.

1961
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's like that with

1962
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 3: any position. I mean, it's gonna be like that with tackle,

1963
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like that with cornerback too.

1964
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Speaker 6: I just the receivers.

1965
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Speaker 5: I think Corner will be the first run. That's my prediction.

1966
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Speaker 3: I would just draw the line with this receiver class though, Like,

1967
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, if somebody takes one at nine, does that

1968
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: mean you got to trade up to ten because you

1969
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 3: love JSN or you love Zay Flowers, Like.

1970
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I think that they're in a pret

1971
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 6: good place to see how it kind of falls.

1972
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 3: But it was a call we got earlier. Evan was

1973
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 3: just about you know, who would you trade up for?

1974
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 3: And I'm like, nobody got maybe, and that's kind of it.

1975
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 6: And otherwise something that's not it is going to be

1976
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 6: put down.

1977
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Speaker 4: It is not a trade up draft to me, because

1978
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 4: this is a draft that is really deep in certain

1979
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 4: positions from like ten through seventy five. But there's not

1980
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 4: a there's no other than maybe the quarterbacks, and I

1981
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 4: guess like Jalen Carter and Will Anderson. I don't think

1982
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,839
Speaker 4: that there's any guys on here that project as future

1983
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,839
Speaker 4: potential Hall of Fame type of guys.

1984
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Speaker 13: Now.

1985
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: I know that's easier said than done to predict those

1986
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 4: types of things, but I just don't look at this

1987
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 4: draft as very top heavy, I guess. And the receiver

1988
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 4: position is definitely part of that conversation where the receiver

1989
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 4: class is really more in that twenty to forty range

1990
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: that all these receivers I think are going to go

1991
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 4: at the top of the board as and there's really

1992
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 4: nobody there to take at at five or ten or

1993
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 4: anything like that. So I don't look at this draft

1994
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 4: as a very good trade up draft. This to me

1995
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 4: is a classic Belichick trade down draft and accumulate more

1996
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 4: picks because there is that maybe not elite elite talent,

1997
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of good players in this draft

1998
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 4: that maybe if you cast a wider net, but I

1999
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't say this is a big trade up draft.

2000
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Speaker 5: Tim Wrights in. First, I want to congratulate both Evan

2001
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 5: and Mike on their draft big boards and the very

2002
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 5: comprehensive draft prospect guide. They are very easy to understand

2003
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 5: and will be my guides on draft night. Thank you.

2004
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 5: I know what, Evan, You've got your draft guy that

2005
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 5: you can download now.

2006
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 6: You should download that.

2007
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 5: I don't know why you're giving that away. Why are

2008
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 5: you just giving that to people? What do you mean

2009
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 5: everybody else? Like you have to pay and everything.

2010
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 4: You know, that's your job.

2011
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 5: I just do the words. Get their name, you know,

2012
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 5: like you know, but you know, I'm only kidding, but yeah,

2013
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 5: it's very nice of you to do that. No, I

2014
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 5: mean I And by the way, kudos to it's Ferreira.

2015
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 4: He put it together. Yeah, I mean I did all

2016
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 4: the film notes obviously, but it was Chris's. Yeah, Chris's animal.

2017
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Speaker 5: I thought it was a lot of time.

2018
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Speaker 3: I mean, Chris, Chris put it all together. I mean,

2019
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 3: go download it. But I mean I just you know,

2020
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 3: as a Patriots fan who loves the draft, I would

2021
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 3: have been all over that in two seconds. And I'm

2022
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: sure plenty of people are all over it. So yeah,

2023
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 3: thank you, And it's a labor of love. I feel like,

2024
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel, but like I just

2025
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 3: feel such a sense of relief when I get the

2026
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: big board done and the mock drafts and everything, and

2027
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm like the bar in the barn. I feel like

2028
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 3: I got a pretty good sense of this class.

2029
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Speaker 11: Now.

2030
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Speaker 4: I just got to I just have nightmares with this

2031
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 4: team that they're going to pull something like a cold

2032
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 4: strange again on me. Because the Draft guide has one

2033
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five prospects and I basically just went

2034
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 4: from one to one twenty five on all those consensus

2035
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 4: boards and stuff like that, and and did all those guys.

2036
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 4: So this should be whoever they pick in the first

2037
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 4: round should come out of this one hundred and twenty

2038
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 4: five grouping. But you just you never know what then, right.

2039
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 5: The question Tim has is if the best offensive tackle,

2040
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 5: wide receiver, and cornerback are all available at fourteen, which

2041
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 5: do you take? It looks like Evan and Mike would

2042
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 5: both take the corner of Christian Gonzales from Oregon, but

2043
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 5: what about the rest of you. I would normally say

2044
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 5: tackle because you can't teach size, but in today's NFL,

2045
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 5: cornerback and wide receiver have become integral positions to the

2046
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 5: success of the team. So like, if you ask me,

2047
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 5: I would take the corner, you know, yeah, yeah.

2048
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean I think if you really believe you're getting

2049
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 3: a number one corner, It's just it's such a key

2050
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 3: piece of this defense that I think would make everyone

2051
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 3: better and really get them in position it conect.

2052
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, particularly in that defensive backfield. You know you lost

2053
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 5: Steph mccordy. I know he's a safety, but he was

2054
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 5: so integral in part in terms of communication back there.

2055
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 5: So you need good players. You know, if you get

2056
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 5: that number one corner, it allows Mark you know, Marcus

2057
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 5: Jones can stay where he is, Jack Jones can stay

2058
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 5: where he is, he can play opposite Jonathan Jones, and

2059
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 5: you have a pretty good cornerback room. If you get Gonzales,

2060
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 5: you know, that's that the domino effect of him helps everybody.

2061
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I mean there's a handful of these guys,

2062
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 3: you know, at the top of the draft, but after

2063
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: that then you're kind of getting into all right, here's

2064
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 3: another rotational piece to work in, and I think they

2065
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 3: need that. But I'm also not as intrigued by that

2066
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 3: because it's it's just another one of these great They

2067
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 3: got another defensive back that they'll move around, but it's

2068
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 3: not a guy they need a guy I think on

2069
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 3: the outside.

2070
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 6: And those only come in the first round.

2071
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm definitely starting to gravitate more and more towards the

2072
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 4: corner by the day because I just think this class

2073
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 4: is fantastic, and I think they'll have an opportunity at

2074
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 4: fourteen to pick one of the top three or four

2075
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 4: guys on the board. Whether it's Gonzales, I would throw

2076
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 4: Deontay Banks's name out there from Maryland because I think

2077
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 4: you know them, they zig when everybody else is zagging.

2078
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 4: So if the Patriots at fourteen took Banks over Joey

2079
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 4: Porter Junior, I would not be surprised.

2080
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm there with you other I'm totally and I wrote it,

2081
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 3: and my thing is I was doing it and I kept, like,

2082
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, going back to Banks and watching it, and

2083
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like them better than Porter now, and

2084
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 3: I should have him above Porter, but him and Gonzales

2085
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 3: are are just the two that I've enjoyed.

2086
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 5: Now, if it's crazy and there's this run on cornerbacks

2087
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 5: for some reason, and let's say the Patriots had three

2088
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 5: that they would take and they're all gone, I take,

2089
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 5: then I take the tackle, you know.

2090
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just look at the Jets

2091
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 4: last year with Sauce, and their defense went from a

2092
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 4: good defense to maybe the best defense in the league.

2093
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 4: And he just had such a great rookie season. And

2094
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're going to get that level

2095
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 4: of impact out of a receiver in this draft with

2096
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 4: the way that the board is. And then tackle is

2097
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,679
Speaker 4: just not one of those positions that notoriously moves that needle,

2098
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 4: I know. So if I have to go with one

2099
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 4: of those impact spots. I would also just say that

2100
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 4: I really trust their evaluation when it comes to offensive

2101
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 4: line in all seven rounds of the draft, and I'm

2102
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 4: sure that they'll make a short list, and Adrian Climbing,

2103
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 4: the scouting staff will make a list, and then Dante

2104
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 4: will probably sign off on a few of the guys,

2105
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: and like all of a sudden, you'll have a mic

2106
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 4: on Winnu in the sixth round that's playing left tackle

2107
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 4: and all this hidden gem that they found. And I

2108
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 4: feel more confident in them being able to do that

2109
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 4: than maybe anywhere else.

2110
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 5: William writes in out of He's out of Virginia as well.

2111
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 5: Let's say the Patriots have a normal draft. For example,

2112
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 5: in rounds one and two, they pick consensus top players

2113
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 5: at positions like tackle, corner, or wide receiver, and then

2114
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 5: in later rounds Bill drafts developmental players at edge, tight end,

2115
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 5: et cetera. How do we feel then, do we trust Bill? Again?

2116
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean, look, there'll be an initial rush of what

2117
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 3: we think of these guys and who they draft, and

2118
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 3: we feel like, oh, they drafted the guys that I

2119
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: like and I think fit, And you'd be excited. But

2120
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 3: then there's the part where we get out on the

2121
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 3: field and we see what guys are out there, what

2122
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 3: guys are able to stay out there, what guys are

2123
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: able to you know, pop like some.

2124
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 6: Of these rookies have right out of the get go.

2125
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen some that have, and we've also

2126
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 3: seen some that like, I don't know, I mean last

2127
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 3: year with with Thornton, a couple of good plays, gets hurt,

2128
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 3: he's out, you know, those.

2129
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 6: Kind of things.

2130
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,560
Speaker 3: So it's the proofs in the pudding for me, Like

2131
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: I'll certainly have a reaction, and if he picks guys

2132
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 3: that I like and I feel like fit, then I'll.

2133
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 6: Be like, oh, this is great.

2134
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 3: But ultimately that doesn't mean it's going to work out.

2135
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 3: We might get to the season and be like, Douce, Yeah,

2136
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 3: guys all suck.

2137
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 5: I think the book on Bill will be what happens

2138
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 5: when they're playing, you know, it's And I just one

2139
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 5: more thing, like if they could have a bad draft,

2140
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 5: but if they make the playoffs and and win a

2141
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 5: couple of games, nobody will care.

2142
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 3: And I also say, like it's it would be so

2143
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 3: easy for them to just draft say Flowers and everyone

2144
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 3: will be like, oh, you know, I mean, everyone will

2145
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 3: be happy. And it doesn't mean that it would necessarily

2146
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 3: work or that it would be the right decision. But

2147
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 3: if they really just wanted to please people and inject

2148
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 3: some excitement around the offense, they could just take that

2149
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 3: kid at forth.

2150
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 5: Then, But then it comes down to how well do

2151
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 5: they win games this year?

2152
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 3: That's when always take it on the field and get

2153
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 3: you know, Bourne's playing over and all you know, always

2154
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 3: heard you know, like then that.

2155
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 5: All starts Jacket and Abba. I don't care what position

2156
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 5: the Patriots select with the fourteenth pick in the upcoming

2157
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 5: NFL Draft. My only hope is that the pick is

2158
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 5: a playmaker, a guy who not only will start from

2159
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 5: day one, but will also tilt the field in his direction,

2160
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 5: who will warp the gravity in his area, who will

2161
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 5: force opponents to change their game to account for him.

2162
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 5: I'm not sure there's anyone.

2163
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 4: In there so a receiver.

2164
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 13: I like that.

2165
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not very many guys that do that other

2166
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 4: than receivers, I guess, Jon, But I think the interesting

2167
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 4: thing about receivers and I got a chance to talk

2168
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 4: to grow at the combine. We got a chance to

2169
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 4: talk to go today, and we got a chance to

2170
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 4: talk to Grow at this time last year, and all

2171
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 4: three times, the way he talks about the receiver position

2172
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 4: and then the way that they approach the receiver position,

2173
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 4: their actions at the receiver position, I just don't seem

2174
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 4: to necessarily add up to me. And I do wonder

2175
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 4: if there's a little bit of disagreement on the approach

2176
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 4: at that position. And I think Barth actually texted me

2177
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 4: last night about Andrew Callahan report earlier in this offseason

2178
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 4: that there is, you know, a disagreement internally about how

2179
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 4: important is it to add receivers. And I wonder if

2180
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 4: guys like Taekwon and a guy like Juju is a

2181
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 4: compromise where we're spending a fifty you know, fiftieth overall

2182
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,839
Speaker 4: pick and we're paying a receiver some money in free agency.

2183
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 4: But he always talks Grow always talks about receivers being

2184
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 4: immediate impact players for you as an organization, and guys

2185
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 4: that really changed the complexion of your offense and of

2186
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 4: your team. And he he was prompted to bring up

2187
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 4: teams like Miami and stuff like that, but I feel

2188
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 4: like those teams are teams that he looks at and says,

2189
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 4: they've really invested in those positions, and I just want

2190
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 4: I would love to know what what is bill stance

2191
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 4: on this and what is And I think I know

2192
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 4: what Gross stances on this because he's talked about it

2193
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 4: so much. But it feels to me like he he

2194
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 4: sees it, like he understands that the receiver position needs

2195
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 4: to be you need to have a different approach and

2196
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 4: invest more capital, whether it's trade capital or salary cap

2197
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 4: or high draft picks or whatever in that position. But

2198
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 4: then you get to the offseason and they don't do it,

2199
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 4: So obviously there's there's some internal divide there. I think

2200
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:30,799
Speaker 4: about how to approach that position.

2201
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 5: It could be Dan of Virginia in Michigan, says. Fred

2202
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 5: said earlier on the show that he started doing his

2203
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 5: own draft research. Fred, does that mean your copy of

2204
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 5: Our Lads finally get delivered? Just kidding, It hasn't come yet. No,

2205
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 5: by the way, Really it's in the mail, I guess.

2206
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 9: So.

2207
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 5: You've recently discussed in the show the possibility or reality

2208
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,879
Speaker 5: of tension between Bill and the players. You've also discussed,

2209
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 5: though that some of the moves of this soft season

2210
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 5: may not have been at Belichick's instigation, but rather mister

2211
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 5: krafts does that race the possibility of tension between Belichick

2212
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 5: and mister Kraft. If there is tension, is that a

2213
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 5: bigger deal than whatever tension there might be between Belichick

2214
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 5: and the players? Yeah, I mean there could be. Certainly,

2215
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 5: you know, Bill's unnoticed when it comes to the owner,

2216
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 5: you know.

2217
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean what I mean, what more do

2218
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 6: you need?

2219
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 3: I think it just goes back to what I said

2220
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 3: earlier of like you lose football games as part of

2221
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 3: an AFFL franchise, Like there's there's tension. There's tension in

2222
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 3: a lot of places. I mean, it's just that's what

2223
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 3: happens when you're in a hyper competitive business like this

2224
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 3: and hyper competitive people, and you know, and it's it's

2225
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 3: hard to you know, build this entire team and get

2226
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 3: everybody on the same page. So hopefully that's what they're

2227
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 3: they're doing.

2228
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 5: Mike says, I hate to say it, but I think

2229
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 5: we all know deep down, Bill makes the decisions. He

2230
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 5: will never change. He's stubborn. There is no wide receiver

2231
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 5: in my opinion worth taking at number fourteen. This class

2232
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 5: is deep. Twenty five to seventy five trade down grab

2233
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 5: an extra pick and make sure you grab Charlie Jones

2234
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 5: at the second or third round. I think think mister

2235
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 5: Koseki is the new receiver, and I wouldn't be shocked

2236
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 5: if Bill picks the running back from Texas in the

2237
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 5: first round. I would be.

2238
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 6: I would too.

2239
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 3: The only thing I would say about it, though, is

2240
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: that I think that it's a pick that could generate

2241
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 3: some excitement at least, like you know if you.

2242
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if excitements the word I would use.

2243
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 3: Well for people like you who know the composition of

2244
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 3: the team, and for Johnny, you know who lives up

2245
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 3: somewhere around Boston and you know, oh, the drafts is

2246
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 3: this weekend.

2247
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 6: Who'd they get?

2248
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 3: Well, they got the best running back in the in

2249
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 3: the in the league from.

2250
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 5: Texas, Like whoa, whoa?

2251
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 6: That sounds pretty good, you know.

2252
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 3: For general fans, I think you know there's something there.

2253
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 3: But I think for people who know what the league

2254
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 3: is like, now what the team is like, you want.

2255
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 5: Different Spi and Fresno couple draft questions. First, does anyone

2256
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 5: keep track of who the best mock drafters are?

2257
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 9: Like?

2258
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 5: Is there a record of which specific draftnick draftnicks are

2259
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 5: particularly successful at predicting who gets picked where in the

2260
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 5: first couple of rounds year of the year.

2261
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 4: There is somebody that does put that together that every

2262
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 4: year kind of puts together a score for everybody's mock draft.

2263
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 4: But I do think people have mock drafts all wrong,

2264
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 4: Like no one gets it right, no one gets it right.

2265
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 5: I mean, Goslyn used to be pretty close.

2266
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think the point is with mock drafts

2267
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 4: is more to generate discussion, and I think a lot

2268
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 4: of people get way too caught up and oh yeah,

2269
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 4: well they weren't right, So what's the point, you know, And.

2270
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 3: That's why I mean the big board thing, I mean,

2271
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 3: that's kind of why I started doing that was, you know,

2272
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 3: the mocks are so specific, it's hard to like, oh,

2273
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:36,640
Speaker 3: I got a mock draft right. But I felt like,

2274
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 3: all right, if I give myself fifty guys and I

2275
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 3: can hit a few of them, then at least each

2276
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 3: year I can say, look, I'm at least pointing people

2277
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 3: towards the right direction of the kind of players that

2278
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 3: I think that they like, that I like that that

2279
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 3: I think fit. So that was my little way of

2280
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 3: just trying to hold myself a little bit accountable. Of

2281
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 3: course last year I hit none.

2282
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 5: So yeah, I.

2283
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,600
Speaker 4: Still I'm still gonna make fun of you for not

2284
01:41:58,680 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 4: having Marcus Jones on.

2285
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 6: Your That's bad. No, I'm bad in that one.

2286
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 4: That's the one. There's a couple for me as well.

2287
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, I didn't I Kyle Dugger was

2288
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 4: not on the board. That that really irked me. Last year,

2289
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 4: Cole like forget like whatever, Like I didn't have Cold Strange, No,

2290
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 4: but Kyle Dugger I should have.

2291
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 5: If you like cold Strange in the first round, you're

2292
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 5: lying no.

2293
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me, They're like, oh, you didn't get bar

2294
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 3: More and I was. And that's like, you know, it's

2295
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 3: a specific one because it's like, well, I thought he

2296
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 3: was gonna go late first and I didn't think that

2297
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 3: was a huge need.

2298
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 6: And you know they ended up he fell and they

2299
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 6: traded up. So not mad about that one.

2300
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 3: But like Marcus Jones, I'm like, duce Bro, what what

2301
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 3: are you doing?

2302
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 4: Like perfect patriot?

2303
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, second question from speed, does anyone assess and systematically

2304
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 5: tracked team's overall drafting success? I don't mean the supposed

2305
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 5: grades is signed right after the draft by Espan or whatever.

2306
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,600
Speaker 5: I mean something along the lines, but done two or

2307
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 5: three years down the road.

2308
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So PFF came out with this last year. I

2309
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 4: want to say about the nineteen through or the eighteen

2310
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 4: through twenty drafts or something like that. They twenty one

2311
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 4: wasn't a part of it because it's too soon to

2312
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 4: make a determination on that that draft class. But PFF

2313
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 4: using I think it was like their grades or wins

2314
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 4: above replacement stat or something like that. They accumulated all

2315
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 4: draft you know, drafted players and how they performed for

2316
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 4: their teams, and as you could probably imagine, the Patriots

2317
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 4: were not very good. It was I believe at the

2318
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 4: time the Chiefs and were near the top, but they did.

2319
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 4: They wrote in the methodology that you know, the Chiefs

2320
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 4: drafted Patrick Mahomes, so obviously like they're they're grading, and

2321
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 4: you know, the Bengals with Burrow, like it's gonna skyrocket

2322
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 4: the system because they have this elite player at the

2323
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 4: top of the board, kind of propelling everything up. But

2324
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 4: the Patriots were I want to say, twenty eighth or

2325
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 4: twenty ninth in the league in the time span that

2326
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 4: they used.

2327
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 5: Sam in North Carolina on Jersey Mike. He says, next

2328
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 5: time you get a number thirteen at spicy brown mustard,

2329
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 5: you'll thank me later.

2330
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 3: I love the spicy brown mustard on an Italian. Ah.

2331
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm a honey mustard guy on an Italian. No,

2332
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 4: I don't do Italian.

2333
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 3: I would do I would do mayo on an Italian though,

2334
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 3: Fred I know that's a no no for you, but

2335
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 3: I like that tang.

2336
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,799
Speaker 5: Mayo on an Italian. Then it ceases to be an Italian.

2337
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 3: It is no longer an Italian, but it will still

2338
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:26,799
Speaker 3: be a delicious sandwich.

2339
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 5: It could be depending on your palate. It could be

2340
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 5: a delicious sandwich, but do not call it an Italian.

2341
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 3: I think I waltzed into an Italian by accident when

2342
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 3: I was a kid, and it had like the oil

2343
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 3: and like just everything on it, and I was like,

2344
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 3: this is a delight. I mean, there's just so much

2345
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 3: going on in Italian sandwich. But then I have one

2346
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 3: blow mayo and.

2347
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 13: I don't like.

2348
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, all right, Mark in Tennessee. Nice to

2349
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 5: be able to listen to the show today without my

2350
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 5: ears being blown off by somebody screaming Alex. It's more

2351
01:44:56,160 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 5: much more enjoyable today. Some episodes of Sound boar his

2352
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 5: way off. I really enjoyed the show and I look

2353
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 5: forward to each episode, so I just just wanted to

2354
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 5: say how much he hated Paul.

2355
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 3: Basically, Paul got a good question in the in the

2356
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 3: mail bag this week. Somebody's raking him over the coals

2357
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 3: a little bit, but he had a response, Oh.

2358
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, we miss him.

2359
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. What were they raking him over the coals?

2360
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 3: Oh they're saying he wants to be a mini Felger,

2361
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 3: and and then this and that.

2362
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 5: That's guys, as she's got.

2363
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:26,440
Speaker 3: Don't comfort Felger.

2364
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 5: He'll get mad.

2365
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 4: Oh god.

2366
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 5: Jack from London, England says I've seen the latest Lance

2367
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 5: Zerline mock draft and would like to get your opinions

2368
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,759
Speaker 5: on what you think of it. He has us taking

2369
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson at fourteen and suggested us trading Mac for

2370
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 5: a second round pick. I understand he's very raw, but

2371
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 5: he has a much bigger upside than Mac. Just wanted

2372
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,919
Speaker 5: to hear your thoughts, Anthony Richardson.

2373
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 4: I would be absolutely shocked if the Patriots had as

2374
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 4: high of a great on Anthony Richardson as the media does.

2375
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 5: So who's your quarterback? In the meantime, Trace mcsorly. I mean,

2376
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 5: you know, he's Anthony richards Is not ready. I don't

2377
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 5: think the.

2378
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 4: Way that they have evaluated the quarterback position for every

2379
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 4: all the evidence that we have is that they really

2380
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 4: prioritize floor a lot and having guys that have our

2381
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 4: NFL ready a lot. I mean, they just drafted Mac

2382
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 4: Jones and Bailey Zappie in two years and both those

2383
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 4: guys couldn't have more attempts, more and more experience really

2384
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 4: in the college game. And obviously Mac at Alabama, but

2385
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 4: Bailey Zappi in college through the ball constantly for multiple seasons.

2386
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 4: So I think a guy like Anthony Richardson would be

2387
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 4: totally out of their their type.

2388
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 6: If this was two years ago, what do you think

2389
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 6: they do?

2390
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 3: Do you think? I mean, like if if they didn't

2391
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 3: if they didn't have Mac, Like if this was the

2392
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 3: Mac draft, you know.

2393
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 5: Like they'd bring on Cam Newton.

2394
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2395
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 3: I'd like to seem trying to go get Bryce Young.

2396
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 5: Let's see Tim Wright in quick draft question. What do

2397
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 5: we think of Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee? What is his

2398
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 5: range for what round he'll be taken in and do

2399
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 5: we see him as a fit for the Patriots. I

2400
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 5: graduated from high school with him, so I've seen almost

2401
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 5: every game he's played. The dude can ball. So I

2402
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 5: wondered what your thoughts were.

2403
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 4: Probably my least favorite receiver in the draft of them.

2404
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 5: Well, there you go, Sorry, Tim, I didn't I just

2405
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 5: why don't you like him?

2406
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 4: Thornton, He's very gimmicky. He didn't really run an NFL

2407
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 4: route tree. They run a really they run a unique

2408
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 4: system at Tennessee that's not very NFL pro style, and

2409
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 4: basically what they did was just find ways to get

2410
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 4: him off the line of scrimmage without having to go

2411
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 4: through contact and just turn it into a track meet

2412
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 4: for him, which he's obviously very effective doing. But unless

2413
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 4: you're gonna run it the way that Tennessee ran it,

2414
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 4: it's going to be very difficult to mimic the things

2415
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 4: that he was doing at Tennessee. And he's got four

2416
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 4: to four speed like fast, but he is not. He's

2417
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 4: not electric fast. I don't know why. I think putting

2418
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 4: him in Taekwon on the team together is very very

2419
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 4: redundant as well. So yeah, all across the board.

2420
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,560
Speaker 5: Ye earlier we were talking about Gerard Mayo in his

2421
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 5: role in matt In Bridgeton, Maine poses this theory, and

2422
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 5: he says, if I don't read the email, that means

2423
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,599
Speaker 5: I agree with his theory, and if I do read

2424
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 5: the email, that means I don't agree with it. So

2425
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna read it. But his theory is that Mayo

2426
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 5: is not being pegged for the next head coach, but

2427
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 5: rather for the next team president. And so he goes

2428
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 5: on to explain. But he's saying that Robert Kraft will eventually,

2429
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,879
Speaker 5: you know, step aside for whatever reason, Jonathan will elevate

2430
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,919
Speaker 5: to CEO, and then Gerard Mayo slips in his team president.

2431
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 3: That's an interesting theory. I don't I don't know the

2432
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:58,559
Speaker 3: dynamics of.

2433
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 5: All that, but yeah, and he's says that the reason,

2434
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 5: he says Jonathan is less involved he wants to be

2435
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 5: less involved in operating the franchise. His reasoning is Jonathan's

2436
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 5: now sixty, has more of his mother's disposition in philanthropy

2437
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 5: and all that.

2438
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 6: And this is where I confirm it.

2439
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,639
Speaker 5: Now, Jonathan loves doing what he does. He's a business

2440
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 5: guy first and foremost. He's not a philanthropist, although he

2441
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 5: does do that obviously, But he he's always going to

2442
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 5: have a hand in running this thing. I don't think

2443
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 5: he'll ever see that. Now. That doesn't mean he couldn't

2444
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 5: have a president, and he would be the CEO and

2445
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 5: could beat Gerard Mayo, but not for those reasons. Not

2446
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 5: because he wants to not run the business. No, he

2447
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 5: wants to run the business. But it's interesting.

2448
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 6: You know, what does a team president do?

2449
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,959
Speaker 3: Is that more that's not as much football stuff.

2450
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 5: Though it varies from team to team. On some teams

2451
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 5: the team president really does call the shots. On other teams,

2452
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 5: the team president is more less football and more everything else.

2453
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 13: You know.

2454
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 4: I got to be honest, I think Gerd Mayo has

2455
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 4: zero interest in being the team president the right of

2456
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 4: Patriots zero.

2457
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2458
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 4: It's he's a football I mean he played, he's a

2459
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 4: he's a junkie.

2460
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,680
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, you know. So it just depends on the

2461
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 5: definition of team. You know, every team is different and

2462
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 5: how they view those roles.

2463
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 11: You know.

2464
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 4: I guess maybe the thought is more of that like

2465
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 4: John Elway role where or you know Cam Neely with

2466
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 4: the Bruins.

2467
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 6: He got a players guy. Yeah that's sort of.

2468
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 4: Running the football operations, but maybe has a GM under him.

2469
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 4: That's actually on the road and doing all of the

2470
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 4: nitty gritty.

2471
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 5: But and so in that case, the GM is a

2472
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 5: different title, you know, different responsibility.

2473
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 4: I think he wants to coach.

2474
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:54,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, Johann writes in He's from Germany. What's your opinion

2475
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 5: on Hunter Henry? Will he have a comeback year this

2476
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 5: year after last year's setback? In his first year he

2477
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,759
Speaker 5: was basically one of the most reliable short yardish targets,

2478
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 5: especially in the red zone for mac Jones two touchdowns

2479
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 5: versus nine touchdowns in year one. And he says, you

2480
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 5: went to Munich last year. Fred, it's the whole crew

2481
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 5: joining you this year for the international game. And will

2482
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 5: there be any events? Hope to see you this year.

2483
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 5: Wherever we play, there will be events. So we are

2484
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 5: going to play. Don't know if it's going to be

2485
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:28,639
Speaker 5: Munich or Frankfurt, but wherever we do play, there will

2486
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 5: be lots of events. So what do we think of

2487
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 5: Hunter Henry this year?

2488
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 6: I think he'll be I think he'll bounce back.

2489
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think in a you know, a

2490
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 3: well designed offense, he'll probably return to the red zone threat.

2491
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think my bigger question is how

2492
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 3: do you balance him in Kasiki and you know, not

2493
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 3: that I feel that a blocking tight end is a necessity,

2494
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 3: but you know, those guys aren't going to block. And

2495
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 3: I just I just think it's a weakness on this

2496
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 3: team that they don't really have, you know, a guy

2497
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 3: that can that can do both. And I mean at

2498
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 3: times last year I felt like John Eyuan Hunter were

2499
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 3: a little bit overwhelm. I mean, I think Connor Henry

2500
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 3: even said kind of as much.

2501
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 6: He felt that he improved.

2502
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 5: But don't you think that's like a fifth round or

2503
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 5: sixth round pick and they'll get a guy.

2504
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 3: Well, I think, oh no, and I do, and I

2505
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 3: think this year, I think they can get that kind

2506
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 3: of guy to develop behind them and then you know,

2507
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 3: maybe next year then you have a well rounded guy.

2508
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 3: But they're you know, they're both kind of more in

2509
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 3: that f tight end kind of move guy mole that

2510
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 3: founder's got good size. I think he'll be fine this year.

2511
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 3: But I just I do wonder if they're a little

2512
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 3: bit limited with what Kisiki and he are.

2513
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 4: I would like them to address tight end pretty early

2514
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 4: in this draft. I just look at this draft and

2515
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 4: tight end corner edge like those are such good position

2516
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 4: groups in this draft, deep the talented groups that the

2517
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 4: tight end you get in the third round this year

2518
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 4: is not going to be there in the third round

2519
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 4: next year because the class isn't going to be as

2520
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 4: good and isn't going to be as deep. So I

2521
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 4: look at this tight end class and would love to

2522
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 4: see in that third or fourth round range. We've thrown

2523
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 4: out a bunch of names, you know, Tucker Kraft, Luke

2524
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 4: Scoon Maker, one of those guys that can block a

2525
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 4: little bit. Maybe he has a little bit more blocking

2526
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 4: chops than what they have. But looking at twenty twenty

2527
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 4: four and beyond, can then step up and be starting

2528
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 4: tight ends for you moving forward because those two guys,

2529
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 4: Henry and Kasiki are one year, one year and out

2530
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 4: right now.

2531
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:16,799
Speaker 5: Paul Rainville writes in He's from South Amboy, New Jersey,

2532
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of amboys in New Jersey. Yeah,

2533
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,759
Speaker 5: this Perth dam Boy, this South d and Boyer.

2534
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:22,680
Speaker 1: I think.

2535
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 5: So have you heard have you heard Derek Parrish as

2536
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 5: a Patriots target late in the draft. I've seen him

2537
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 5: connected to the Patriots following the James Devlin pathway as

2538
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 5: a defensive end that transitions to fullback in the NFL.

2539
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 5: He's super athletic prospect who could fill gaps on both

2540
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 5: sides of the ball. I think he would stand out

2541
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 5: as a Day three player. The Patriots would love well

2542
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 5: that Derek Parrish. Have you gotten that deep yet?

2543
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2544
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 4: So Derek Parrish shows at the Shrine Bowl with the Patriots.

2545
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 4: He was actually on the East team. The Patriots on

2546
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 4: the West team had Jack Coletto from Oregon State who

2547
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 4: is the Hornig Award winner. Marcus Jones won the Horneig

2548
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 4: Award last year. The Patriots drafted and both of those

2549
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 4: guys have played offense and defense. Both of them played

2550
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 4: full back slash tight end as a kind of I

2551
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 4: think Parish is more of that James Devilin type of fullback,

2552
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 4: whereas Kletta is more like a Kyle Yuschek style fullback

2553
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 4: that's maybe a little bit more of a move piece.

2554
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 4: But both of those guys can block. I thought Koletto

2555
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 4: looked better as a receiver in Vegas a little bit

2556
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 4: more further along with his hands and the fluidity of

2557
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 4: his routes. But Parish had at Houston last year. I

2558
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 4: want to say he had eight sacks rushing the passer

2559
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 4: on defense, so he can play both ways. I think

2560
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 4: both of those guys is end of the draft six

2561
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 4: to seventh round, maybe even UDFA signings. That neither one

2562
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 4: of them was invited to the combine, which was kind

2563
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 4: of a snub in my opinion for both guys, Like

2564
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 4: how do you not invite the Horny Award winner to

2565
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 4: the combine? Like that's ridiculous. Most versatile player in college football.

2566
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 4: I don't know how that guy's not at the combine.

2567
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 4: But both of those guys is in that with that

2568
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 4: seventh round pick, or maybe as a priority UDFA would

2569
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 4: fit here.

2570
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:00,160
Speaker 5: Coming to the end of the show, so we got

2571
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 5: to take care of some important things. Rob in San

2572
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 5: Diego via Connecticut says, is oil, vinegar and salt and

2573
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 5: pepper necessary for an Italian sub to be an Italian sub?

2574
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 5: I say yes. I think the meats can be somewhat interchangeable,

2575
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 5: but not the oil, vinegar with salt and pepper. I agree,

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01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 5: you have to have those things. Jack says, no, male

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01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 5: on an Italian sub, you must must must put oil

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01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 5: and vinegar, Come on, man, So I agree with that.

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01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 3: I gotta shout out the Godmother Sandwich at Bay Cities

2580
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 3: in Santa Monica, which is the like, that's one you

2581
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 3: don't even you don't even tell them what you want.

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01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 3: Just give me the Godmother with the works. That's the

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01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 3: best Italian I don't it's officially in Italian.

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01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 5: Do you ever go there?

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01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 3: Pit Bay Cities in Santa Monica when you live there?

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01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 4: Sounds familiar, but I don't know if I ever made

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01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 4: it there.

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01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 3: It's a good one. I'm sure there'll be a listener

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01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 3: writing in about how good that place is. But that's

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01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 3: a good one.

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01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 5: Let's see Rob and Rot. Now we already read that one.

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01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 5: This is too long, all right, Well we'll close out

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01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 5: with a quick who am I game? Brian from Swansea?

2594
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 5: These are Bill Belichick draft era? Who am I game?

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01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 5: All answers are players drafted by the Patriots under Bill Belichick.

2596
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 5: Ready appropriate topic. I'm one of two players drafted in

2597
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 5: the Bill Belichick era to have double digit career interceptions

2598
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 5: and sacks. One of two.

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01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. Interceptions and.

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01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 5: Okay, I've been teammates with Tom Brady on two different teams.

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01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 5: Ok So he has to have been Logan Ryan Logan

2602
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 5: Ryan is correct? Ding Ding Ding? Who am I I'm

2603
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 5: one of two players drafted in the Bill Belichick era

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01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 5: to have been selected in the sixth round and named

2605
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 5: first team All Pro at least once during my career.

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01:56:55,480 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 3: Six round not Tom Brady. Uh, I don't know.

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01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 5: Sixth round. I earned a Super Bowl ring with the Patriots,

2608
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 5: though I never played in a regular a pro season

2609
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 5: game for the team. Huh wow, all Pro not just

2610
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl. My first name is the same as the

2611
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,480
Speaker 5: last name of a Grammy winning R and B singer

2612
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 5: who was once dated a Patriots Pro Football Hall of

2613
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 5: Fame running back.

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01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 3: Oh that's oh god, come on, oh god, it's Curtis Martin's.

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01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 5: Right, Tony Braxton Braxton Burios. That's right.

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01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 6: I mean you got me there?

2617
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 4: First team All Pro? I guess.

2618
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 5: I guess.

2619
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 4: Also, I don't think he was a was her first

2620
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 4: team All Pro? Is he a Pro Bowler?

2621
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:48,280
Speaker 5: Our guy was?

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01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2623
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 5: Like I said, I'm the only player drafted in the

2624
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,440
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick era from a New England college to be

2625
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 5: named to the Pro Bowl. Next, I snapped the ball

2626
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 5: to two different quarterbacks with a combined four hundred and

2627
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 5: thirty seven wins. Copan Dan Copanuce correct On fired today

2628
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 5: one more one more. I'm the only first round pick

2629
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 5: drafted in the Bill Belichick era from a Big ten college.

2630
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 5: No first round, first round.

2631
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 6: It wasn't that bad, Evan.

2632
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 5: I scored the first touchdown and the Patriots lost to

2633
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 5: the New York Giants in the Super Bowl forty two.

2634
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 5: Oh god, I scored the first touchdown in that game,

2635
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 5: the second one Big ten in my rookie season. Corey

2636
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 5: Dillon and I combined for over fifteen hundred yards. Rest

2637
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 5: Lawrence Maroney, All right, golfers, so errors was correct? Date

2638
01:58:56,840 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 5: Ebner in the first round? What do we think?

2639
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 4: It feels that bad? Right now?

2640
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,919
Speaker 5: That's gonna be it for this edition The Patriots Unfiltered

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01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:08,919
Speaker 5: for Tuesday. We'll be back Thursday with another edition full squad.

2642
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:12,040
Speaker 5: Was Paul back or see out all week? All right?

2643
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 5: So the guy who doesn't like Paul, you can tune

2644
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:15,880
Speaker 5: in on Thursday. We'll see you then.

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:22,080
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2646
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:25,160
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01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,400
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01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,520
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01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,640
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