Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: This is Sugar Stea from Quest Love Supreme as we
Speaker 3: celebrate the holiday season.
Speaker 2: This felt like a.
Speaker 3: Worthy two part classic to revisit. Here is Mariah Carry.
Speaker 3: We recorded this in the middle.
Speaker 2: Of the night, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3: Mariah was promoting her book and she was an open
Speaker 3: book to us. This is a really free and fun
Speaker 3: conversation with one of the biggest superstars of Men. Part
Speaker 3: two originally aired on Friday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Enjoy everybody and happy holidays and a healthy New Year
Speaker 3: from Team Supreme and everybody at Questlove Supreme.
Speaker 4: In terms of editing, how does one Because you definitely
Speaker 4: walked a mighty tight groupe as far as like telling
Speaker 4: your side of the story and your experiences. But when
Speaker 4: you're writing your memoir, how do you know what stories
Speaker 4: to tell and what stories to leave out? Because you
Speaker 4: said that you know oftentimes you're not alone, so oftentimes
Speaker 4: your stories have happened to happen with people that are
Speaker 4: with you. So how do you know like what to
Speaker 4: share and like what's TMI and what's okay? This part
Speaker 4: of the story is cool to tell. I feel safe
Speaker 4: telling the story. I guess what I'm asking is, how
Speaker 4: did you know how much to share about Sony prison?
Speaker 4: How did you know how much to reveal about your
Speaker 4: Matola period without fear of further repercussion or litigious action
Speaker 4: or any of those things.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, in America they can anybody can be religious,
Speaker 5: and I've noticed that great to that. By the way,
Speaker 5: if anyone should be litigious, it's me to get a
Speaker 5: certain amount of years back of my life that were
Speaker 5: spent basically, you know, under somebody's control. But seriously, honestly,
Speaker 5: I there were certain stories we didn't even delve into
Speaker 5: until like kind of the end of the process, like
Speaker 5: the story at the kitchen table with the butter knife
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But these are things that actually happened,
Speaker 5: and whether somebody else and that you got to look
Speaker 5: it up to know what I'm talking about, somebody else,
Speaker 5: you know, felt that that was TMI. I don't care,
Speaker 5: like that was part of my story. That was a
Speaker 5: catalyst to get me the hell out of that situation
Speaker 5: where you sometimes you know a lot of women, whoever
Speaker 5: it is, I don't want to say it's specifically women,
Speaker 5: but we tend to tolerate domestic abuse in whatever form
Speaker 5: that may take longer than sho be taking it. And
Speaker 5: that's what I did, because emotional abuse is I'm not
Speaker 5: saying it's worse than physical abuse, but it's it's a
Speaker 5: form of abuse.
Speaker 6: It's probably even more damaging. You know, stays with you, Yes,
Speaker 6: it stays. Yeah, that's gonna ask you, you know, being
Speaker 6: at that period of your life, what do you think,
Speaker 6: uh led you into a romantic relationship with you know,
Speaker 6: the head of your label and you know how like,
Speaker 6: how did it even get to that point?
Speaker 5: Again? I would hope that people will read about this
Speaker 5: because I think when you read about it and you
Speaker 5: understand what my childhood was like, you understand what my
Speaker 5: early adult very early we're not even adults they teams
Speaker 5: about as a struggling singer and songwriter with everything in
Speaker 5: my head going towards a goal, going towards a goal.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be like my family members that
Speaker 5: I've seen go down the path of drug drug abuse
Speaker 5: and prostitution and all the things that happened right where
Speaker 5: a mass appeal audience doesn't even understand what that is.
Speaker 5: And if it's ever been you know, used, used, or
Speaker 5: talked about it, spoken about it in the media. It's
Speaker 5: always been like for shame, look at it. Like it's
Speaker 5: never been like, look at what she actually came out.
Speaker 2: She came from. Yeah, look at what she escaped. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's never viewed as a success story.
Speaker 5: No, but it's also like and I'm trying, and people
Speaker 5: think I was trying to like look what I came from.
Speaker 5: Like I'm just saying, I'm not saying that's exclusively a
Speaker 5: black experience, but it's surely in the middle of the road, Princess.
Speaker 2: Not an adult temporary experience.
Speaker 5: Oh it's not. It's not anything other than a really,
Speaker 5: really dysfunctional and hard experience that I went through and
Speaker 5: multiple times. So when you ask what led to that situation,
Speaker 5: I didn't have boyfriends like after high school, and I
Speaker 5: never had like a real an actual serious situation because
Speaker 5: when I was growing up, I always knew I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna be around these people. I don't care, like I'm
Speaker 5: getting out of this go on, I'm going to realize
Speaker 5: my dreams. This is not a this is not an if,
Speaker 5: this is a wind. And so when I do, I
Speaker 5: won't be around these people. That I'm around right now
Speaker 5: who are doubters and who look at me as the
Speaker 5: scum of the earth. That's what I'm not going to do.
Speaker 5: So anyway, in dealing with that relationship and how it evolved,
Speaker 5: there are manyfactors that made it develop. What I will
Speaker 5: say is he believed in me as much as I
Speaker 5: believed in myself, and that is the most attractive quality
Speaker 5: that I can find. So maybe there were other things
Speaker 5: where it wasn't like, oh my gosh, it's my school,
Speaker 5: go crush and blah blahlah lah. And you know, knowing
Speaker 5: that he was twenty plus years older than me and
Speaker 5: I was a kid, but there's a certain sense of
Speaker 5: validation and a sense and at the beginning I'm saying
Speaker 5: that the sense, yeah, and a sense of security when
Speaker 5: you're when you're having to fight your own family, your
Speaker 5: own demons, your own stuff. That that was there. It was,
Speaker 5: and that's where they got this whole Prince Charming narrative.
Speaker 5: But let's face it wasn't that, and it certainly didn't
Speaker 5: evolve into that for a number of reasons that I've
Speaker 5: talked about a lot, But you know, it was what
Speaker 5: it was, and I definitely wish him. Well, I just
Speaker 5: wish I could get back some of those years and
Speaker 5: just insert like a party every now and then with
Speaker 5: a couple of girlfriends, or like a fun moment or
Speaker 5: like a phone conversation without somebody having to be like
Speaker 5: what you're gonna do, what's going on? What is it?
Speaker 5: And freaking out and ruining everything and taking it Like,
Speaker 5: as much as those years were amazing with the successes
Speaker 5: and things in the early years I'm talking about, it
Speaker 5: was awesome, very much like, well, you can have fun
Speaker 5: for ten more minutes and then it's over.
Speaker 4: Wait, I don't I don't want to spoiler alert, And
Speaker 4: again Mariah is correct. I think probably the best way to,
Speaker 4: I don't know, not have the experience that I had.
Speaker 4: But you know, I recommend that people get this book
Speaker 4: and taking the information so they can learn like I did.
Speaker 4: But there's there's one incident I kind of want to
Speaker 4: ask about, but I feel like it's the most gripping
Speaker 4: story in the book, so I don't want to spoiler
Speaker 4: alert it, but I will call it the French fry incident.
Speaker 2: Keep okay, I won't say it's the friend I haven't
Speaker 2: got it. She's basically at the height of well, what
Speaker 2: is what is?
Speaker 6: What is truly the height of Mariah Idis in a
Speaker 6: three years story career, I will say that, yes, she's
Speaker 6: way beyond household name here, and just for her to
Speaker 6: have a simple pleasure like French fries winds up turning
Speaker 6: into a near h Will Smith Enemy of the State
Speaker 6: situation with escaping security people and da da da da
Speaker 6: da so and I'm asking you.
Speaker 4: One time I got to ask will Smith this question,
Speaker 4: and I asked him, like, what is it when you're
Speaker 4: in this house alone? How many people here just for
Speaker 4: you to feel comfortable to be alone, like walk downstairs
Speaker 4: in your underwear? And he was like, like seventeen people.
Speaker 5: Jesus, yeah, but he needed seventeen people.
Speaker 4: No, no, Well, because I've never seen an a state
Speaker 4: that big. I mean, it's like two hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: acres and you know, it's like a full scale staff
Speaker 4: of you know, it's a full staff at at his living.
Speaker 2: Quarters and so it's the middle of yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And the thing is is like I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 4: like if you get out of bed and want to
Speaker 4: get some orange juice at four in the morning, like
Speaker 4: all these people, your staff is in the house, Like
Speaker 4: you can't just be yourself and walk down in your underwear.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, what's the number of minimum people
Speaker 4: that have to be in this house for you to
Speaker 4: feel like I'm alone?
Speaker 2: And he said seventeen.
Speaker 4: Normally there's about forty plus people on his property, security
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So I mean during that, during
Speaker 4: the height of what I call between Mariah Carrey and glitter, Yeah,
Speaker 4: what was I mean, how often even your home, what
Speaker 4: was isolation or just a moment to yourself, like like
Speaker 4: was it still always with security no matter where you
Speaker 4: were and even in your house, Like, was it always
Speaker 4: like that?
Speaker 5: Okay, so we're speaking specifically about what I'll call sing
Speaker 5: sing right like.
Speaker 6: That, he refers to her, Yes, we got the house, yes.
Speaker 5: Because because when you when you say up until glitter,
Speaker 5: that's a whole nother thing, like because I left at
Speaker 5: Butterfly before but during the rightly.
Speaker 2: Just a version yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: But it was that was a whole other thing. So
Speaker 5: when you read the book, you'll see, Okay, that was
Speaker 5: its own hysteria and whole thing. So I'll I'll break
Speaker 5: it up into the couple of years that I lived
Speaker 5: in that huge mansion which you can google it. There's
Speaker 5: really no We never took any pictures like you know today,
Speaker 5: everybody would take pictures of their house. Everybody would make
Speaker 5: a huge to deal out of it. It's a thirty
Speaker 5: million dollar mention, massive, sprawling thing that I, by the way,
Speaker 5: half of pay for half of everything, down to the electric,
Speaker 5: down to the electric as a twenty something year old woman.
Speaker 2: Wow, that Twitter would go crazy.
Speaker 5: Saying, but that was me being like, oh, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be looking my home and I don't want
Speaker 5: to be kicked out of my own house. And little
Speaker 5: did I know when he said here's a fabulous piece
Speaker 5: of property, let's make this a house, I was like, Okay, great,
Speaker 5: I just got a million dollars for publishing advance or
Speaker 5: whatever it was. So I'm thinking, I don't know how
Speaker 5: much stuff costs, and I'm like, okay, I need to
Speaker 5: pay for half of this because I wanted to be mine.
Speaker 5: I never want to be kicked out of my house.
Speaker 5: And when I said I was going to get married,
Speaker 5: I believe in that. I was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 5: this is for the rest of my life. Like I'm
Speaker 5: not just I wasn't like, let's just let's see it,
Speaker 5: then we'll get out of it. Whenever.
Speaker 4: No, you need agency to make it a real relationship,
Speaker 4: like you need agency, your.
Speaker 5: Own yes, your own pensive self worth and everything else
Speaker 5: that I had worked that hard for to that point.
Speaker 5: But anyway, at that point there was always security. There
Speaker 5: was I would say they were probably about I mean,
Speaker 5: look when people were coming to the house, like the
Speaker 5: French five incident that you're talking about, the jail break
Speaker 5: incident as we call it, Brat and Jakie and all that.
Speaker 5: I don't know, there were ten security armed security guards.
Speaker 5: There were you know, there were housekeepers, management, like all
Speaker 5: those people were there. Did I ever feel like I
Speaker 5: used to creep down the stairs sometimes and have like
Speaker 5: a semi private moment until I would hear the baby
Speaker 5: on the intercom what are you doing? And that would
Speaker 5: break me out? How the time in every room?
Speaker 7: The anacom was in every room, because that's a big house.
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 8: If you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Just get a snack in the refrigerator, like I don't
Speaker 2: eat that.
Speaker 5: No, No, that wasn't that wasn't said. But it'd just
Speaker 5: be like I'd get into the I would sneak out
Speaker 5: of the bed, and I talked about this, like barely
Speaker 5: trying to trying to not move the bed, and I
Speaker 5: would sneak out in tiptoe to the back area my closet,
Speaker 5: go that way to the right, and then sneak all
Speaker 5: the way around the how you know, down the house,
Speaker 5: down the side to where the kitchen was. Meanwhile, I
Speaker 5: could have gone straight down to the kitchen, but I
Speaker 5: didn't want to walk through the through the bedroom and
Speaker 5: then went away, came up, and then I would go
Speaker 5: that way and I would suddenly get into the kitchen
Speaker 5: and be like, oh, I would have some Chateau we
Speaker 5: Kim that was around like a little splash whatever, you know,
Speaker 5: try to whatever was snuck and suddenly did yeah, and
Speaker 5: I'd be like nothing, you know, it was it was
Speaker 5: that confining. But I will say there is a certain
Speaker 5: thing in terms of no matter where you go, there
Speaker 5: you are. Because even here, even in my life now,
Speaker 5: even having this greatest week, possibly because you know, breaking
Speaker 5: the Spotify record and all the stuff that happened, like
Speaker 5: I'm not too born, I'm not whatever, but having this
Speaker 5: happen at this point in my life and the book
Speaker 5: and all this stuff is so amazing but then I
Speaker 5: don't feel like, oh, I can just walk around in
Speaker 5: my underwear with you know, no judgment or no whatever,
Speaker 5: or walk around with like even talking to you guys,
Speaker 5: right and now like walk around with my hair look
Speaker 5: at a mess of this and that. And that's really
Speaker 5: because of some of the things that have happened to
Speaker 5: me where I look at like quote unquote stardom as
Speaker 5: a fabulous thing and a goal that, once achieved is
Speaker 5: like you did, whoa. But it also comes with this
Speaker 5: level of expectation you always got to that you've always
Speaker 5: got to be on and if you yeah, not on, no,
Speaker 5: but even within your own home, people like what like
Speaker 5: if I'm not walking around like hi, because I've created
Speaker 5: this festive thing and I'd always be happy and you know,
Speaker 5: make everybody else feel comfortable for me to just be
Speaker 5: allowed to be me. And I feel like with the book,
Speaker 5: I've gotten to a place where I can say to
Speaker 5: people who may have walked all over me previously, like
Speaker 5: did you read the book? Because if you did, you'd
Speaker 5: see that you need to actually treat me as like
Speaker 5: a human being. Where if I'm on a video shoot
Speaker 5: and there is no water and there is no covering.
Speaker 5: You know, there is no seat like you Like, we
Speaker 5: were just doing this the Christmas thing with Jay Hud
Speaker 5: and Iron Garmy, right, So the app especially and I
Speaker 5: see Jay team and I see the second rebreak right
Speaker 5: because you know there's the union breaks and it's her
Speaker 5: team is incredible. They got her seat, they got her water,
Speaker 5: they got her massage, they got her foot moment, and
Speaker 5: I'm just like yay Jha because I love her so much.
Speaker 5: I think she's such an incredible person. She deserves that
Speaker 5: treatment more than anybody I know. But I took note
Speaker 5: of it, and I was like, I've been having this
Speaker 5: struggle for years because what happens is and even my
Speaker 5: therapist back in the day said to me, when you
Speaker 5: smile and you're on, people don't think there's a problem.
Speaker 5: They don't think you don't need to be care of,
Speaker 5: You don't need to be Yeah, I'm gonna care I'm smiling,
Speaker 5: I'm here, I'm there, and it's lit well and it's
Speaker 5: hair and makeup and it's outfits and it's sparkly. And
Speaker 5: then I then it cuts and everybody goes about the
Speaker 5: merry way. And if I don't have like a little
Speaker 5: morsel of food or just like someone helped me walk
Speaker 5: to the trailer or whatever it is. And that's a
Speaker 5: lack of management, you know. And this is we're talking
Speaker 5: about two thousand and one. But I'm saying this has
Speaker 5: been a pattern and even to this day, like I
Speaker 5: don't know, I just try to make people fit into,
Speaker 5: like get into this space where I'm expecting them to
Speaker 5: be caretakers. But really I'm the caretaker and I always
Speaker 5: have them.
Speaker 7: So wait, then, is this book like the warning of
Speaker 7: what's to come then?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 9: Because I mean, are you now at a point where
Speaker 9: you're understanding all these things and so you're are you
Speaker 9: going into a I don't give a fuck phase? Because
Speaker 9: I feel like now is the time. Now's the time
Speaker 9: to go into the I don't give a fuck phases?
Speaker 9: I don't give a fuck, COVID, I don't give a
Speaker 9: fuck twenty twenty, like why do you give a fuck?
Speaker 5: Right? So, in the words of the immortal and ever
Speaker 5: present Diana Ross and I talk about this in the book,
Speaker 5: she said to me, well, we're at top of the pops,
Speaker 5: which you guys know what that is.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, yeah, you know that.
Speaker 5: Can make or breaking artists you might want to give
Speaker 5: them a little backstory on that. You can see everybody.
Speaker 2: There well, our our our readership, our fans know what
Speaker 2: top of the pops.
Speaker 5: You know. But in case some of my lambs happened
Speaker 5: to listen, it's it was a show that could literally
Speaker 5: make or break a record in the UK and around Europe.
Speaker 5: So you would oftentimes run into anybody from Phil Collins
Speaker 5: to you know, Diana Ross. So what happened to run
Speaker 5: into And she's there doing her own hair makeup. She
Speaker 5: she came into my room. You know, she's there, and
Speaker 5: this is during this is around I'll be their remake time.
Speaker 5: So that's like, I don't want to say numbers of years,
Speaker 5: but it's very beginning of my career, right a la
Speaker 5: la la lat. Yeah, but who's giunting? Was it not?
Speaker 5: Was it not? No? It yeah, around that time. I
Speaker 5: don't even know. It could have been right after that,
Speaker 5: But all I know is Trey wasn't with me because
Speaker 5: Miss Ross is Trey's favorite, and I was calling him
Speaker 5: and leaving voice messages with her. But anyway, she's she
Speaker 5: scans the roomb, she's looking around the room and she
Speaker 5: goes she sees the hair makeup this and that, the wardrobe,
Speaker 5: the managers, the lookers on, the publicists, whoever they were.
Speaker 5: And she's by herself, doing her hair, doing her makeup,
Speaker 5: walking barefoot in and out of the room, and she's
Speaker 5: like in the most glamorous way possible. And she's like, Mariah,
Speaker 5: one day, you're not going to have these people around you.
Speaker 5: You're not going to help people around you. And she said,
Speaker 5: someday you're not gonna win to held these people around you.
Speaker 5: And I was like, and now I'm like, I believe
Speaker 5: that someday is good. I'm serving a purpose of really
Speaker 5: helping you. Why are they here? We are in the
Speaker 5: age of direct messaging, of figuring out your own narrative
Speaker 5: this stuff. What is the purpose of people if they're
Speaker 5: not one hundred thousand trillion, what quad billion percent team
Speaker 5: MC and really really care to be there? Why are
Speaker 5: you giving away money?
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you about one of my favorite jams,
Speaker 6: yours breakdown with Bone Thugs at harm.
Speaker 2: That's what was that session?
Speaker 5: Like? Okay, so, so first I was with Stevee J.
Speaker 5: And actually I had the conversation with Damn.
Speaker 4: I forgot Stevie J used to do music at one point.
Speaker 7: Yes, he made amazing music.
Speaker 2: I forgot Stevie J was he was a legit producer.
Speaker 2: Stevie he was the dude up. Was he as crazy
Speaker 2: back then as I know him now.
Speaker 5: From the TV shows and such? Yeah, yeah, that's in general,
Speaker 5: because I don't I don't really keep up with that.
Speaker 5: I have my own memories of him back then.
Speaker 4: Stevie J, I know, is the STEVIEJ of VH one
Speaker 4: reality shows. So I'm just trying to was that person
Speaker 4: in England? Is that person?
Speaker 2: Was that him? Always been there?
Speaker 5: Also? Very charming, always very charming. I can't say she.
Speaker 2: Was in prison then that.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing, I don't think at that point
Speaker 5: that it wasn't reality shows and stuff, and it was
Speaker 5: still a grind because he was a bad boy producer, right,
Speaker 5: So he was the behind the scenes person making beats.
Speaker 5: And we ended up so I talked to Kuff about
Speaker 5: the idea of bone bouncing harmony, and we were very
Speaker 5: inspired by Notorious Thugs. But that was obviously a minor moment,
Speaker 5: and then we kind of like flipped it to have
Speaker 5: more the anemony, like a little like happy part on
Speaker 5: top of that harder beat. So you know, we ended
Speaker 5: up knowing that they were that crazy and which bone
Speaker 5: were going to be on it. And yeah, I was
Speaker 5: in the studio with Stevie J a lot, and then
Speaker 5: I ended up recording. I mean, I don't even want
Speaker 5: to tell this story. One of these days, if there's
Speaker 5: a potsho, I'm going to tell the this. It includes brownies,
Speaker 5: It includes say what.
Speaker 2: Busy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Brownies by myself. No, that session was a complete hazes
Speaker 5: like when we were all together in the session, but
Speaker 5: I laid my vocals down first, so by the time
Speaker 5: they heard the song, it already had that you know,
Speaker 5: had the it had that whole thing, and they were
Speaker 5: they were it was clear that I was inspired by
Speaker 5: their flow and everything. So so when I recorded my vocals,
Speaker 5: so I went to Florida and it was a whole
Speaker 5: thing with the brownies and whatever. And then and I
Speaker 5: will get into greater detail at one at some point,
Speaker 5: But when I listened back to it, because I you know,
Speaker 5: for my phot it would just be like, okay, browniees.
Speaker 5: And my assistant at that time was like Queen of brownies,
Speaker 5: and so she did give me the brownies. And then
Speaker 5: I'm at this restaurant in Florida, after I did the
Speaker 5: whole day of vocal like doing my backgrounds, doing the vocals,
Speaker 5: layering them, putting it down, you know, laying out kind
Speaker 5: of like the parts. I thought it would be cool
Speaker 5: for the guys, and then they did that thing on
Speaker 5: top of it and their own thing to it. But
Speaker 5: I listened back to it afterwards, after I got in
Speaker 5: the car. After like I got a paranoid moment, like
Speaker 5: people in the restaurant started recognizing me, going, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: can we take a picture with you? And I was like,
Speaker 5: had the brownie? So I'm like I still felt like
Speaker 5: my high school self, and I was like, why do
Speaker 5: they want to take a picture with me? What? Why?
Speaker 5: What is this? Because I just weren't used to the
Speaker 5: whole brownie thing, cause I was very never doing that.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, okay, let's get out of here.
Speaker 5: So I get in the car and I put it
Speaker 5: on and I heard how kind of like how fast
Speaker 5: I was singing, and I said to myself, what in
Speaker 5: the hell is this? Like this is no what did
Speaker 5: I do? I hate this? I don't know not that
Speaker 5: I hate it.
Speaker 9: I love the way it came together, you wouldn't have
Speaker 9: thought on paper. But then when the execution, I was.
Speaker 5: Like, I know, so anyway, I loved it after I
Speaker 5: finished it, but when I read listened back to what
Speaker 5: after the brownie thing, I thought, yeah, I thought I
Speaker 5: thought I had wasted a session and that was horrible.
Speaker 5: But anyway, after the recovery, which is a whole other story,
Speaker 5: Q tip is involved to be a phone opening, but wow,
Speaker 5: after that and I'm deliberately being evasive because I have
Speaker 5: to tell the story of detail at some point. But
Speaker 5: then they laid there when we got so cut to
Speaker 5: back at the head factory in New York. A complete
Speaker 5: and total haze with those guys. But I love working
Speaker 5: with them, and they you know, they could hear that
Speaker 5: there was they had inspired the whole thing. So it was.
Speaker 5: It was. It's still one of my favorites, and I
Speaker 5: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6: Speak speaking of which, by the way, from oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 6: speaking of which, uh, I listened to that Busy Boone
Speaker 6: interview like once a month man a big business man listen, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that that nigga business bone because business Michael and he
Speaker 6: a wild boy.
Speaker 2: Or two things. I have to listen to six times
Speaker 2: a year just to make it through life.
Speaker 6: Maura, did you ever watch BT and cut uh? Way
Speaker 6: back when Yeah, Busy Boy had a song called uh huh,
Speaker 6: ain't like money my zip bags.
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing like money in a zip like bag. It's
Speaker 2: it's a classic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So uh ma Riah, I have a question, uh
Speaker 6: with Honey. I always wanted to know this, Okay, So
Speaker 6: at the time when Honey was first being conceived, I
Speaker 6: was hanging with.
Speaker 2: Tip a lot and he was mad amped. Yo.
Speaker 4: I got to sing from Mariah It's going to be better.
Speaker 4: That is incredible, and then you know, cut to four
Speaker 4: months later, it kind of went through the bad boy filter, right,
Speaker 4: And I always wanted to know, like, what was the
Speaker 4: conversation that transpired that turned it from the original demo
Speaker 4: that I heard, or at least the idea that he
Speaker 4: presented to you. I mean, obviously the question is, of course,
Speaker 4: you know by ninety seven, anything did he did was
Speaker 4: instant magic. So it's like, duh, of course I'm gonna
Speaker 4: you know, go this route. I get it, But yeah,
Speaker 4: how did that transpire? Like as far as the changing
Speaker 4: of it, because the day came out, I called him
Speaker 4: and you know, me again. I'm a patch fiend.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, do these are your drum patches?
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, man.
Speaker 4: I get And this is a term that Tip always uses.
Speaker 4: He's like, I gave her nigga drums man and nah man,
Speaker 4: they used different drum patches.
Speaker 2: So how did it? Uh?
Speaker 4: How did it come from what I heard in the
Speaker 4: demo to what we now know?
Speaker 5: You know that era, specifically with that song Honey was
Speaker 5: so much going on in my life. Don't forget that
Speaker 5: was like that was the first emancipation of Mimi before
Speaker 5: the actual one happened.
Speaker 4: Later, even before Fantasy. I thought Fantasy was sort of
Speaker 4: the flag planning.
Speaker 2: Of that was me.
Speaker 5: I snuck that in. They didn't really know who ODB was.
Speaker 5: Had they seen his album cover and knew that he
Speaker 5: made songs about gonorrhea, I don't think that would have happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, two years into the Wu Tang clan, like
Speaker 4: no brasset Sony was like she wanted to do or
Speaker 4: some rapper you know or whatever.
Speaker 5: They didn't even know. When I wanted to work with
Speaker 5: jay Z, they didn't know who he was. Like, they
Speaker 5: just connected culturally and they thought I was on some
Speaker 5: kind of trying to be cool tangent music.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Really, it really was that it was an operation gap,
Speaker 5: and it was a cultural gap, and it was just
Speaker 5: them feeling more comfortable with me going a different route.
Speaker 5: You know, they wanted to keep it ac they didn't understand,
Speaker 5: but I didn't care. So but when we go back
Speaker 5: to that Honey, specifically that record, Yeah, q Tash as
Speaker 5: I call them, que Tash had come up with that
Speaker 5: body rock sample. I guess that's what rock treacherous three,
Speaker 5: and I loved it, and I wrote the song to
Speaker 5: that loop. But then when I guess somehow, I don't
Speaker 5: really honestly, I think I've blocked this part out. So
Speaker 5: I don't want to say it in an accurate way.
Speaker 5: But I know that at the time, Poppy and I
Speaker 5: had done the other record together, Fantasy, and we were
Speaker 5: working on stuff. But you know, there's a certain kind
Speaker 5: of energetically if somebody's like, well.
Speaker 4: Let me disclose it, it's it was the smarter move
Speaker 4: because it was.
Speaker 2: It was the smartest move to do.
Speaker 5: I wanted to incorporate the right as that. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: wanted to. I wanted to incorporate that, and we had
Speaker 5: the regular you know, the straight up loop from the
Speaker 5: Treachers three, and then I wanted to put that part
Speaker 5: the hey DJ part and for my own reasons, which
Speaker 5: I talk about in the main of man carry the
Speaker 5: memoir when the same meaning and mark the same time,
Speaker 5: but mess that up anyway.
Speaker 2: You're so funny.
Speaker 4: You did that on purpose? Yes, damn savage, nice one
Speaker 4: thing it was. Now read the book, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 7: Wait, am I wrong in.
Speaker 2: Trust me?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, I ask one more Honey question, because
Speaker 9: and I'm wondering. I'm sure you get into it in
Speaker 9: the book. But earlier on in the book where I'm
Speaker 9: already at I had discovered your this dislike for the dance,
Speaker 9: but you just mentioned that, you know, this is also
Speaker 9: a stage in your life with Honey where you felt free.
Speaker 9: So I was like, okay, So the freedom to do
Speaker 9: the choreography and stuff in the video was that, like
Speaker 9: that free feeling and just saying bucket, like let's just
Speaker 9: go all out.
Speaker 5: You know, I talk about my father's mother traumatizing me
Speaker 5: about dancing roy that baby, girls, it's like it's a
Speaker 5: whole thing.
Speaker 7: Yes, you know it's in the books. I said that part.
Speaker 9: But but you're dancing and Honey, So I was like,
Speaker 9: did you get you got it back?
Speaker 5: Like, it didn't turn me into Janet Jackson. It's just
Speaker 5: one little moment and it was cute, you know. I
Speaker 5: actually I really loved that video and that that was
Speaker 5: the only time I ever had fun making a video
Speaker 5: back then. That's the first time I ever was free
Speaker 5: to make a video and kind of like express myself
Speaker 5: and I worked with Paul Hunter and Heartbreaker. No, the
Speaker 5: Heartbreaker is later.
Speaker 2: In terms of fun, like.
Speaker 5: The first time I had fun that was the Honey video.
Speaker 6: Okay, I was about to say I thought Heartbreaker was
Speaker 6: actually like wow, okay, that's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, no, no, but that but Honey was the
Speaker 5: first time there was no ever present other person on
Speaker 5: set telling me don't do that, or telling the director
Speaker 5: not to film me in a certain way.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 5: It was the actual first time, first taste of freedom
Speaker 5: that I had, even like back in the days with
Speaker 5: the I Don't Want to Cry video, there was a
Speaker 5: male model in the video and that got squashed real
Speaker 5: it was problematic. I had a whole lecture about, yeah.
Speaker 4: How awkward was it to take control of the rings
Speaker 4: and decide for yourself?
Speaker 2: What you wanted.
Speaker 6: At that period, least at the at that period of
Speaker 6: your career.
Speaker 5: Like during honey or you know, that's the whole. So
Speaker 5: it all stemmed from being able to extract myself from
Speaker 5: that controlling situation, which was not easy because as you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but like if you
Speaker 5: get into something as a kid and you allow that
Speaker 5: pattern to continue, it's very difficult to break free from
Speaker 5: that because other people just expect you to go along
Speaker 5: with it. They expect you to go along with it.
Speaker 5: They're used to you being compliant and you just deal
Speaker 5: with it. So especially when you're dealing with someone at
Speaker 5: that level, which now there really isn't anyone that powerful
Speaker 5: to me, like because the way the artists were ConTroll
Speaker 5: a lot. Everybody except me.
Speaker 2: You are that power.
Speaker 5: Now, well, we artists can be that powerful at this point,
Speaker 5: you know, especially if people say that. But back then,
Speaker 5: everybody was scared of that corporate as I call the
Speaker 5: corporate morgue led by specifically one person who was uber powerful.
Speaker 5: They were all scared to death, including me. So when
Speaker 5: I started, when I got to the point that I
Speaker 5: could no longer take it, is when I decided Okay,
Speaker 5: I have to break free, and I got to figure
Speaker 5: out how to do it. So if you listen to
Speaker 5: the Butterfly album and the lyrics on that album, specifically Butterfly,
Speaker 5: that was what I hoped somebody would say to me,
Speaker 5: like wild horses tiled or their spirit diales. You know,
Speaker 5: I wanted them to you know, I wanted them to
Speaker 5: say that, like you know, and I truly feel your
Speaker 5: heart will lead you back to me when you're ready
Speaker 5: to land. I wanted to hear that, but I didn't
Speaker 5: hear that, so I wrote it to my I wrote
Speaker 5: it to someone else as a lyric for that song
Speaker 5: and for that time, and it was very much what
Speaker 5: I just I had to gain the strength. Like if
Speaker 5: you listen to Pedals from the Rainbow album, that's about
Speaker 5: like all the people that were screwed up in my life.
Speaker 5: And this is not me blaming everybody else. I'm sure
Speaker 5: I was a part of it too. I allowed it
Speaker 5: to happen, but to break free not only from a
Speaker 5: personal relationship, but from a massive corporate structure where you
Speaker 5: are have been the number one artist on that label
Speaker 5: and you also started out as a child really and
Speaker 5: also your whole personal life is surrounded by people that
Speaker 5: are slaved to that system. It's really not easy to
Speaker 5: break free. And then the subsequent years when I wasn't
Speaker 5: allowed to be free, even when I was on another
Speaker 5: label or even when I was trying to do my
Speaker 5: own thing, there was a concerted effort to kind of
Speaker 5: squash that or squash that, or ever the proper terminology is.
Speaker 5: So there was until the emancipation of Mimi. There when
Speaker 5: I got with a new group of people. Fortunately, you know,
Speaker 5: after all the stuff that happened, there was no there
Speaker 5: was no freedom, There was nothing. There was a constant fight.
Speaker 5: Whether I was inside the structure or having gotten out
Speaker 5: a structure, there was a constant fight, a constant battle,
Speaker 5: and it just made me sort of implode it and
Speaker 5: it really really screwed me up. But what can you do? Here?
Speaker 5: I am and it's great, Hallelujah, thank God. And you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to dwell that stuff. But I talked
Speaker 5: about it in the book because I wanted to Actually,
Speaker 5: when people years from now tell my story, hopefully that happens,
Speaker 5: they're going to have to use that book as a template,
Speaker 5: like this is actual story. And I look at a
Speaker 5: lot of people that I admired who didn't get a
Speaker 5: chance to do that. They didn't. They may have told
Speaker 5: their stories through their music, and people may interpret their stories,
Speaker 5: and I know some people I'm here like to have
Speaker 5: everybody else's input and their perspective. But what I wanted
Speaker 5: was to tell my actual story, which doesn't begin with
Speaker 5: Roni Carrey put out Vision of Love in nineteen ninety. No,
Speaker 5: it doesn't begin with that I'm coloring in the wrong
Speaker 5: crayon with a brown crayon for my father, so they
Speaker 5: all freak out of me. It begins with like I
Speaker 5: don't understand my hair, because you know, it begins with
Speaker 5: all these identity issues, these issues are race, these struggles,
Speaker 5: and then it goes you know, it goes to the
Speaker 5: issues of control and people you know, always wanted to
Speaker 5: have go. And even though that's not my song, but
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, there's a thing where this is a
Speaker 5: constant theme. And it's also like just being a woman
Speaker 5: in a male dominated industry and then a woman of
Speaker 5: color with all this ambiguity and people deciding how they're
Speaker 5: going to market me and all of that shit.
Speaker 6: So what were some of the things you mentioned earlier
Speaker 6: that you know, you would hear things that they you know,
Speaker 6: that people would say that you know, you know, you
Speaker 6: wouldn't be privy to.
Speaker 2: If like if you had darker skin or whatever.
Speaker 6: So like, what was some of the stuff And you
Speaker 6: don't have to attribute it to anyone, but just like,
Speaker 6: what's some of the stuff you would hear like white
Speaker 6: people say around you that you know what I'm saying
Speaker 6: that you knew they wouldn't right fether about your music
Speaker 6: or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm going the whole the way back to childhood. I'm
Speaker 5: going to, yeah, going to kindergarten. I'm going to, like
Speaker 5: I said, coloring with the brown crayon and having the
Speaker 5: entire the teachers come over and go, ha, why did
Speaker 5: you use that crayon? Like I used a green crayon,
Speaker 5: but because they just didn't know so and having the
Speaker 5: entire class there at me. Basically I was humiliated. And
Speaker 5: that's the first time I realized I was different from
Speaker 5: anybody else because they had only seen my white mother
Speaker 5: coming and going, you know, with my parents also were divorced.
Speaker 5: I'm quite sure if I had had a different I
Speaker 5: would have had a different experience with a family that
Speaker 5: was married, if they were going to be a mixed family,
Speaker 5: they started out in Brooklyn Heights, if they had just
Speaker 5: stayed married, stayed in Brooklyn Heights, like where diversity is more.
Speaker 5: They're used to diversity a bit more than like feeling like, oh,
Speaker 5: let me you know both of them. I feel like
Speaker 5: both my parents, mainly my father was like, I want
Speaker 5: my kids to have a better life. So he thought moving,
Speaker 5: you know, like he thought doing Yeah, that was he
Speaker 5: thought that was going to make it better. But really
Speaker 5: it made it worse.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 5: Talk about, like I don't know my ex siblings experiences.
Speaker 5: I know what I've heard. I'm sure it was horrible
Speaker 5: for them, and I feel bad for them, but they
Speaker 5: thought it was easier for me, and in actuality it
Speaker 5: was probably I won't say it's worse a better, because
Speaker 5: I can't speak for anybody's experience but my own, but
Speaker 5: I know that. Yeah, So I tried to deal with
Speaker 5: that selflessly in the book, you know, I tried to
Speaker 5: give that sort of like, you know, look, they put
Speaker 5: me through hell, and in my opinion, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to say who's water, who did what, But the point
Speaker 5: is I heard a lot of stuff like I have
Speaker 5: this song called close my Eyes, which is one of
Speaker 5: my fans' favorite and it's from one of my favorites
Speaker 5: from a Butterfly album, and it goes I was a
Speaker 5: wayward child with the weight of the world that I
Speaker 5: held deep inside. Life was a winding road and I
Speaker 5: learned many things little ones shouldn't know. But I closed
Speaker 5: my eyes, steady, my feet in the ground, raised my
Speaker 5: head to the sky, and the time rolled by. So
Speaker 5: I feel like that child as I look at the moon.
Speaker 5: Maybe I grew up a little too soon, meaning I
Speaker 5: was in this fucked up place and I had to
Speaker 5: grow up on my own and figure it out by myself,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 7: So here I am.
Speaker 5: There is no woe is me. This is just my story.
Speaker 5: It's unique to me and other people that have had
Speaker 5: simpler experiences, like yes, we'll understand it, or hopefully it
Speaker 5: will empower other people to feel like they're important enough,
Speaker 5: they're worthy enough to exist, because I actually didn't feel worthy.
Speaker 5: But I did have, thank God, a spark of hope
Speaker 5: to know that one day I would get out of
Speaker 5: the situation I was born into.
Speaker 6: I would say to ask you, all right, do you
Speaker 6: think that in your marriage to Tommy and what you
Speaker 6: referred to as the kind of sony prison years. Do
Speaker 6: you think that played a role in you marrying Nick
Speaker 6: and choosing someone that was, at least on paper, like
Speaker 6: very different you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Very different from the first marriage.
Speaker 6: From the first marriage, I mean yeah, on paper. I
Speaker 6: mean I don't know what was what the marriage was like,
Speaker 6: but on paper it appeared that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look the power dynamic in the first Like,
Speaker 5: I laugh at it now because I would have two
Speaker 5: marriages whatever. I'm like, what do you mean my first
Speaker 5: box husband?
Speaker 2: It's all good.
Speaker 6: I'm on my second time around too, don't need trip,
Speaker 6: it's all good.
Speaker 7: Keep I would just like to be invited. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, honestly, that was it was fun. It was bad fun,
Speaker 5: but it was just things. No, it was great. Nick
Speaker 5: and I had fun and it was like, let's just
Speaker 5: be kids and have a good time and whatever. And
Speaker 5: the bottom line is we co parent now and we
Speaker 5: have two kids that I love that make my life
Speaker 5: a better thing, that that gave me conditional love, I hope.
Speaker 5: And so it's a totally different experience. It's a completely
Speaker 5: different experience. But yes, I don't think I would have
Speaker 5: ever done. How could I do? There could never be
Speaker 5: situation where I would be that vulnerable to being fully
Speaker 5: under somebody else's control like that.
Speaker 9: Ever, again, that's good. Everybody don't learn their lessons. Everybody
Speaker 9: don't learn their lessons, so that's good.
Speaker 5: It's honestly impossible. How can you be You can't recreate like, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's gonna be this mobile oh yeah, right, kid that
Speaker 5: has nothing, that has a dollar a week a day,
Speaker 5: and then they're going to help, you know, give you
Speaker 5: your record deal, but you're actually going to write all
Speaker 5: these songs, produce them, do this and that and then
Speaker 5: and you're gonna make them money and their corporation money.
Speaker 6: But still they're going to commit, still have to split
Speaker 6: the damn bills.
Speaker 5: That was me. I blame myself.
Speaker 2: She won an ownership Mariah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So now that the book is out and has
Speaker 4: done well, obviously, I mean I would think the next
Speaker 4: logical step, and you know, when I finished the book,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, are already feel like Lee Daniels
Speaker 4: is already speaking to her like that? Well, but then
Speaker 4: I thought about it and it just hit me that
Speaker 4: not not enough brew How was made on your precious
Speaker 4: performance and precious yeah, and.
Speaker 2: And recapping your videos for this episode.
Speaker 4: And again also recapping your your your narration of the audiobook. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I are you ever going to get on? Are you
Speaker 4: properly going to get on the acting horse again?
Speaker 2: Has Glitter made you gun shy or like so much after?
Speaker 4: I know, But I'm just saying that is I feel
Speaker 4: like that's an area that you really really should explore
Speaker 4: because you're your comic timing is one point with the
Speaker 4: book and the shorts you did with Funny or Die,
Speaker 4: We're also funny, like engaging. Do you want to explore
Speaker 4: the acting world and immerse yourself in it for real
Speaker 4: this go around? Or you just fine with like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I tried it once and I'm fine.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. So when I first met the Daniels,
Speaker 5: it was post Glitter and he was actually and I
Speaker 5: had done this movie called Wise Girls with Mira Cervina that, yeah,
Speaker 5: an independent movie. Yeah, so that could have been a
Speaker 5: great movie about great but it was supposed to have
Speaker 5: been narrated by her character. A lot of the scenes
Speaker 5: were kind of like added at the end. But it's
Speaker 5: like the land of independent filmmaking. So my original goal
Speaker 5: was always start. I always wanted to act, but my
Speaker 5: original like if I had if I could create, like
Speaker 5: here's my path, it was to start with independent projects,
Speaker 5: to do things that were character driven, to work with
Speaker 5: great directors, et cetera, et cetera. But that the whole
Speaker 5: acting thing was completely a non starter for the corporate
Speaker 5: morgue one person mainly, and so it wasn't even allowed
Speaker 5: it And I talked about it in the book, So
Speaker 5: this is no secret. I'm actually being more caged whatever
Speaker 5: about it than I was in the book. But it
Speaker 5: wasn't allowed. It just wasn't allowed. So my path of like,
Speaker 5: let me do these gritty independent projects was just it
Speaker 5: wasn't even that. It wasn't encouraged. It was blocked. It
Speaker 5: was not it was not allowed. So in developing Glitter,
Speaker 5: what happened was they very much whitewashed it quite literally,
Speaker 5: you know, the studio this, that, and then by the
Speaker 5: end of it there was so much Oh, it just
Speaker 5: all was so incestuous, and the label into trounta with
Speaker 5: this and that and having what I left, you know,
Speaker 5: that whole situation that it just became like there was
Speaker 5: there was no script. It was all over the place
Speaker 5: and it wasn't night. And then it came out on
Speaker 5: you know, September eleventh, two thousand and one, so what
Speaker 5: are you going to do? But then but then me yeah,
Speaker 5: but then like you know, wise girls and Lee had
Speaker 5: seen that and then he was like, I love your acting,
Speaker 5: like you should. You should be encouraged. So we worked
Speaker 5: on a couple other projects together, and then we did Precious,
Speaker 5: which heat He called me the day before and was like, hey,
Speaker 5: you want to do this. I had read Push by Sapphire,
Speaker 5: which I don't know if you guys read that, but
Speaker 5: I read it. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Ron had given it
Speaker 5: to me We're on the Beach and the Musa and
Speaker 5: read it twice. So when I knew that Lee was
Speaker 5: doing the movie, I was like, Wow, did I think
Speaker 5: there was a part for me in the movie? No?
Speaker 5: Not really who knew his take on it? But I'm
Speaker 5: so happy that I did because he's a big he's
Speaker 5: a great director. He understood what it took to put
Speaker 5: me in a role and have it be not quote
Speaker 5: Mariah Carey. So we did that, and working with Monique
Speaker 5: and Gabby was just like really being in it really
Speaker 5: being in it, and I loved it.
Speaker 9: But yeah, can I ask you though, because now through
Speaker 9: reading the book and knowing your life and the characters
Speaker 9: that are come in out of your life and the
Speaker 9: situations that you've been in and knowing that character im Precious,
Speaker 9: which I just you blew me away like no bullshit?
Speaker 9: Tell us between was it something personal that you were
Speaker 9: drawing from and what was the direction from Lee to
Speaker 9: you about that character.
Speaker 5: Lee's direction is pretty much always this, do nothing, do nothing, nothing,
Speaker 5: like like he no, I'm laughing when I say that,
Speaker 5: because of course you gets more direction. But let's say,
Speaker 5: after he gives you his direction, he's like, Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: do nothing, do nothing, and I'm like, oh wow, how
Speaker 5: do I do nothing? But I have to say on
Speaker 5: that particular shoot, we really only did like three or
Speaker 5: four takes of that, and it was so powerful because
Speaker 5: so I had worked with a woman named Karen Giordonna,
Speaker 5: who's a really close friend of mine and who is
Speaker 5: an acting coach but also a director, and Lee was
Speaker 5: working with her on Precious, mainly with the girls in
Speaker 5: the scene at each one, teach one, and they were
Speaker 5: it was all in prov He loves in pututization so
Speaker 5: it you know, she was like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 5: is a this is an incredible thing energetically that's happening
Speaker 5: with this movie. And she was so excited about it.
Speaker 5: And then the last minute he called me, and me
Speaker 5: and Karen just put together kind of like a backstory
Speaker 5: for the character really quick. And Lee's main concern was,
Speaker 5: you know, he had a prosthetic nose made for me,
Speaker 5: which we didn't even end up using, but putting it
Speaker 5: on and taking it off because my skin is so sensitive,
Speaker 5: made it in a large Jimmy way. So that was
Speaker 5: great and for him because I was concern he thought
Speaker 5: he caught me putting on on making he was like,
Speaker 5: what are they going. I'm like, oh, but you know,
Speaker 5: everybody had their makeup and air and there's but his
Speaker 5: main thing. And I loved it because a lot of
Speaker 5: people when when the movie first came out, they didn't
Speaker 5: even recognize me because there was an there was a
Speaker 5: whole different look. So to answer the initial question, do
Speaker 5: I want to do more of it? I don't know.
Speaker 5: It would depend on the director, it would depend on
Speaker 5: the role. Honestly, I don't want to do it just
Speaker 5: for the sake of doing it. I want to do
Speaker 5: it for the creative experience. But I do know that
Speaker 5: like I am high maintenance, me as Mariah Carey, I'm
Speaker 5: a freaking high maintenance. No, no, I am. And I've
Speaker 5: always said it. I said it in some interview. I
Speaker 5: think it was for the with the Guardian. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've always been high maintenance. I just didn't have people
Speaker 5: to facilitate the maintenance.
Speaker 9: So even as an actress or high maintenance like Mariah
Speaker 9: the singer, one thing, but when you go to set
Speaker 9: and stuff, it's still the same.
Speaker 5: Missis it out for that role?
Speaker 9: Absolutely not, like and and we wouldn't have tolerated it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just have to get it. If that's the
Speaker 5: role and that's what we're doing, then that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5: But if I want to do another project, I love
Speaker 5: behind the scenes, I love executive producing, I love writing,
Speaker 5: you know, I love all of that stuff. And yes,
Speaker 5: I want to act more and I want to do
Speaker 5: things that are fun. Speaking of which, Emir, how is
Speaker 5: your experience as currently this is I'm interviewing you right now.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm I just want to know because I
Speaker 5: loved that. I loved that moment of you being able
Speaker 5: to be a part of a part of that without
Speaker 5: you know, I just in my mind, like I would
Speaker 5: love to do some animation. I would love to do
Speaker 5: some more of that type of stuff. You know, this
Speaker 5: is the Soul.
Speaker 9: I haven't watched it yet, So yeah, how was your
Speaker 9: experience times here?
Speaker 2: Was a dream come true? Yes? It was historical. I
Speaker 2: love it. This is not my interview. You're not getting off, okay, no,
Speaker 2: but I really think yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's some people that have to ease into
Speaker 4: acting and do a lot of prep work and you know,
Speaker 4: get with their coaches.
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 4: But you you have a really natural, believable acting ability
Speaker 4: that I think.
Speaker 2: That you should explore more.
Speaker 4: Like your your timing is great, which I think comes
Speaker 4: from singing or whatever. But I think you should explore that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I really I really do want And by
Speaker 5: the way, that's a very lot of cheap sense coming
Speaker 5: from me because CHASEE level and everything that you know,
Speaker 5: just knowledge wise, I'm just like, what I the mistake
Speaker 5: I made with glitter, which maybe it wasn't a mistake,
Speaker 5: it was probably supposed to have. In that way, you
Speaker 5: have to have a huge fall for people to care
Speaker 5: about you. Then I guess I don't know, Maybe it's
Speaker 5: just me. That's just what they how they do to be.
Speaker 5: But you know, after that experience, I realized you have
Speaker 5: to work with somebody, a top tier person to bring
Speaker 5: out the best in you. It's like anything. It's like
Speaker 5: collaborating on a song, like you can lead the way
Speaker 5: and you could be the one doing most of it,
Speaker 5: but at least you know when you have someone where
Speaker 5: it's scales are more balanced. I feel like that's that's
Speaker 5: a different experience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm just putting out there.
Speaker 5: Person I believe that he is. And we've been talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, some ideas. It's just a big to put
Speaker 5: this memoir and ad apt to adapt it into like
Speaker 5: where we're talking about taking it. It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 7: It's a series.
Speaker 9: It's a it's a series, yeah all day.
Speaker 7: I mean, just like the early years.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it is.
Speaker 6: It can easily be an Amazon a part season like
Speaker 6: a Yeah, that's that's it's a new brainer.
Speaker 5: We've been talking about that and that's not necessarily Amazon.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying that's the thing, Like and what to
Speaker 5: the earlier discussion about why or writing the book or what.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Don't think anybody said why, but just
Speaker 5: to answer the thing about like how this whole thing happened,
Speaker 5: I said, initially, I wanted to emancipate my little girl self,
Speaker 5: like little Mariah. That was the goal because nobody knew her.
Speaker 5: She was a famous I know I'm speaking about myself
Speaker 5: and the third person, but really I feel like, my yes,
Speaker 5: it's like a different person because people she wasn't famous,
Speaker 5: nobody she was. She's this poor little you know for
Speaker 5: what a lot of people thought of as like this
Speaker 5: mongrel type of person, and so, you know, a sad
Speaker 5: kid but with a lot of hope and ambition and stuff.
Speaker 5: But again, the film adaptation, whether it's the series or whatever,
Speaker 5: has to be. It has to bring that girl to life,
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? It has to It's
Speaker 5: not just this princess thing that you're seeing. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of yeah that happened.
Speaker 4: Hey, is there a person that you've long to work
Speaker 4: with that you have not worked with yet? Or have
Speaker 4: you checked off everything off on your your bucket list?
Speaker 5: My bucket list? No, I don't really have a bucket list.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, people on it. You're on it.
Speaker 5: Many people are on.
Speaker 4: It, Like, I'm just not you're saying that to all
Speaker 4: the curlies. But I mean in terms of I mean
Speaker 4: because and I don't. I don't consider this, you know,
Speaker 4: the the the victory lap of all I want to
Speaker 4: is you as a I don't consider that a curtain
Speaker 4: call or a swan song or anything. But like, is
Speaker 4: there is there anything that you haven't done that you
Speaker 4: wanted to do?
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
Speaker 4: I forgot. I forgot. I totally forgot. Dude, we have
Speaker 4: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Chick, thank you.
Speaker 5: I totally forgot too.
Speaker 4: I forgot. Okay, So you guys don't know. Damn, I
Speaker 4: don't even know if I should revealed this much. Basically, in
Speaker 4: the shortest way possible, Mariah pulled a Charlie x c S.
Speaker 2: I kind of popped moved.
Speaker 5: It was prior to her.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know, I know, but I'm trying to
Speaker 4: put in contemporary. She she basically made a a dummy
Speaker 4: album or a project. Uh, Chris Gaines, if you will, ever,
Speaker 4: you don't know that that that kond of pop is
Speaker 4: Charlie xy X's secret.
Speaker 5: I didn't know Arlie.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 6: We feel superid yesterday are Look, I work at the
Speaker 6: tonight show.
Speaker 2: I have to know who every gen Z person. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's a song I did it, but but you're the
Speaker 2: only one that I don't care. I love it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know that you know.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: So basically, Charlie x X didn't want to ruin her credibility,
Speaker 6: so she MILLI vanillied that song all these two model
Speaker 6: girls named I kind of pop, but kind of backfire
Speaker 6: because that song became super big pop.
Speaker 2: Right, even though Charlie x X is, even though.
Speaker 6: She's a name her in her own right, she uses
Speaker 6: the icon of pop thing as sort of an excuse
Speaker 6: to It was.
Speaker 4: Like Prince and the Time, all right, but we knew
Speaker 4: that Prince was we knew that Prince was the Time.
Speaker 6: We knew that Prince was Chili, and we knew that
Speaker 6: Prince was Charlie Sex things was totally That was.
Speaker 10: Totally dumbans I apologize, Okay.
Speaker 4: So let me rephrase the question. The question was that
Speaker 4: the general public doesn't know that you've made the secret
Speaker 4: album called Chick, in which you kind of let loose
Speaker 4: and made a very convincing alternative rock record. What year
Speaker 4: did you record Chick.
Speaker 5: The same year that I was doing the Daydream album.
Speaker 5: So ninety five, Yeah, always be My Baby and okay
Speaker 5: and all that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, can I find it?
Speaker 4: No, I wanted to get I didn't know how close
Speaker 4: to the chest you were with it, so I didn't
Speaker 4: share it with him.
Speaker 5: But can we one song? Can we play like a
Speaker 5: part of a song? May?
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 5: But I just can I can? I give my own
Speaker 5: little disclaimer about this?
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, what you need to do, Okay when
Speaker 4: the credits, Well, we'll play it at the end of
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 5: Okay, but don't we don't play the whole song. But
Speaker 5: I just want to say what really was going Unless
Speaker 5: you want to ask me about what was.
Speaker 2: Your I do want to ask so okay, So to
Speaker 2: set it up, you you made.
Speaker 4: Kind of your version of Seattle grunge neilistic all rock record.
Speaker 4: You know what what was on your mind? Like what
Speaker 4: made this happen? It's it's one thing to do one song,
Speaker 4: but you made a whole ass album out of it.
Speaker 5: I was like observing the landscape at that time as
Speaker 5: a twenty whatever year old music and having success in
Speaker 5: a very kind of specific couple of genres and looking
Speaker 5: at other people that seem to be able to just
Speaker 5: be so as I me and my friend call it
Speaker 5: so fucking care free, Like how are you so care
Speaker 5: free that you can do whatever you want? You can
Speaker 5: wear whatever you want? Now, I guess everybody can, but
Speaker 5: at the time, it was just like, oh I can.
Speaker 5: They could just wear like a dirty slip and socks,
Speaker 5: and you know what I mean, Like in that grunge moment,
Speaker 5: I was jealous. I have to say. I was like,
Speaker 5: and not that my image was perfect and now if
Speaker 5: I could go back and unblow out my bangs, I
Speaker 5: would definitely do that and have different styling and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. But you know, so I was looking at
Speaker 5: it and I was like, because I did grow up
Speaker 5: listening to like Blondie, and not lusively Blondie. I just mean,
Speaker 5: if there were other genres, it would be like you know,
Speaker 5: Pat Benaitar and Blondie and then whatever rock groups. And
Speaker 5: then you know, I was a child of the radio,
Speaker 5: so I listened to all different things rock music whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, mainly obviously like R and B and soul
Speaker 5: music and Gosmine whatever. But then there was also this
Speaker 5: like heavy rock quotient that was around, like where I
Speaker 5: was going up, so yeah, yes, but there was everything.
Speaker 5: There was obviously there was hip hop, there was this,
Speaker 5: there was you know, whatever it was. But there was
Speaker 5: a very strong thread of that happening, right, So when
Speaker 5: I saw the whole grunge thing going on, I was
Speaker 5: looking at it like, oh my gosh. They just say
Speaker 5: whatever they want. They say anything that they want, and
Speaker 5: they get away with it. So I would be like
Speaker 5: working on let's, for example, say like one Sweet Day,
Speaker 5: like mixes or whatever, we're doing overdubs, and the band
Speaker 5: would be there, like my band from the little touring
Speaker 5: that I did. So I just one night was like
Speaker 5: I was just singing stuff and making fun of, like
Speaker 5: not making fun of, but just like doing my own
Speaker 5: little impersonations as I do. And then I said to Gary,
Speaker 5: who was my guitar player at the time, I was like,
Speaker 5: can you just play? Because he's sitting there with his
Speaker 5: guitar and he was doing overdubs on something totally different.
Speaker 5: I'm like, can you just play it? Like whatever? So
Speaker 5: we starts playing it and we just that's a song
Speaker 5: called Joe. That's not the one I would love to
Speaker 5: he I would love to hermit. But so then I
Speaker 5: just started writing stuff down like anything I wanted to say,
Speaker 5: finished it in like five minutes or ten minutes, and
Speaker 5: it was relas. But then as the projects that like
Speaker 5: every night when we would be working, and actually, like
Speaker 5: the corporate people were on a trip to Italy at
Speaker 5: that time, so they weren't there to stop the flow.
Speaker 2: So wait, you allowed you allowed Sony Brass in your sessions.
Speaker 5: I had to allow one Brass member who was like.
Speaker 6: The breass, right, I forgot, I totally forgot.
Speaker 5: Okay, never no nobody else he even he wouldn't allow
Speaker 5: anybody else in there. But never, never during my vocals
Speaker 5: was anybody loud. And then they still not, but I'm
Speaker 5: saying like they would be if they were around, it
Speaker 5: would be like a swift, let me pick you up
Speaker 5: at seven and we'll go to dinner at Lascala or wherever.
Speaker 5: And then I had to be in that wifey world
Speaker 5: of corporate people. So it took me from like a
Speaker 5: complete creative head to here I am like I think
Speaker 5: such and such. You know, we talk about it in
Speaker 5: the chapter called Thanksgiving is Canceled. That's kind of one
Speaker 5: of my favorite things. And then this year Thanksgiving really
Speaker 5: was canceled, so it was ironic. But anyway, so I
Speaker 5: ended up every night like recording something new and writing
Speaker 5: something new, and it was just as a creative outlet.
Speaker 5: But then I would then we actually mixed it and
Speaker 5: did it and recorded it, you know, recorded it, mixed it,
Speaker 5: mastered it.
Speaker 4: Would you do it in another room because I mean,
Speaker 4: ninety five, I don't think it's that. I mean, now
Speaker 4: I can tell Steve all right, put this other song
Speaker 4: up a real quick and he can, you know, sort
Speaker 4: of with technology and a snap do that. But ninety
Speaker 4: five you're working with reels and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: So there are still pro tools.
Speaker 4: At that time, so you would just make them erase
Speaker 4: the board and then put up your reels that you
Speaker 4: work on your Like, weren't they scared, like, well, what
Speaker 4: if Tommy comes in here and sees what we're doing or.
Speaker 5: No, because at a certain point I told him he
Speaker 5: knew about it. But it wasn't like we were we
Speaker 5: had separate reels like I've just found them that saying
Speaker 5: the name Wow the group. So after we you know,
Speaker 5: they the engineer just started rolling like you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: at that time, it wasn't like we had to worry about,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, a new roll of tape, like you know,
Speaker 5: we had.
Speaker 6: To do and you know most that was printing money.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and we want to do that again, but
Speaker 5: it's impossible because with streaming, we know that the artist
Speaker 5: makes less than you know, what percentage of a penny
Speaker 5: do the artists make? Basically one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, something crazy, yeah.
Speaker 5: Very small. I failed a medio map, so I don't
Speaker 5: know how to do that math. But I just know
Speaker 5: if you did one hundred and thirty million streams in
Speaker 5: a week, you should make at least a dollar off that.
Speaker 5: And you know, this was a lab of love and
Speaker 5: just this was just me being like, let me just
Speaker 5: do this, write it down whatever. The musicians loved it
Speaker 5: because it was totally it was a total departure from
Speaker 5: what we were doing, and they got to be free,
Speaker 5: they got to just we were all kind of in
Speaker 5: a in an act like it was an act. It
Speaker 5: was a whatever you call it. It was what do
Speaker 5: you call it? What did you call it? An all rock?
Speaker 2: Alternative rock?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 7: What's the future of it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 9: Well, well, well red folks ever know, will it all
Speaker 9: be like a red herring?
Speaker 4: I feel like if you officially released it though the
Speaker 4: magic ends like that's the thing, Princess the Black Album
Speaker 4: was so legendary when it was like a secret.
Speaker 7: One song, just a one song.
Speaker 6: And then that she came out and it was like
Speaker 6: it came out and there's like the magic's over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to your point about it being, what
Speaker 5: did you say when you first brought it up, Oh,
Speaker 5: doing one song versus doing an album.
Speaker 2: Like you did a whole album.
Speaker 5: And I also, did you see the artwork? I did
Speaker 5: the artwork myself.
Speaker 7: And yes, that's not nice, y'all. This is me.
Speaker 5: I to my friend Clarissa, and I said, you know what,
Speaker 5: because certain people were like, oh, you can't put this
Speaker 5: out there. I also changed the lyrics so a lot
Speaker 5: of it was a little bit more with the perfinity
Speaker 5: and stuff because no, but he made me change it
Speaker 5: and put something. I know. But I have the wheels
Speaker 5: at this point, so at some point I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: out my own version. But I don't have the board mixes.
Speaker 5: All I have like all the separate tracks, like ten
Speaker 5: guitar tracks, and you know all of.
Speaker 2: This, Mariah, do you know what record store day is?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 6: Okay, clean the fuck up. I'm gonna tell you how
Speaker 6: to do this sun So Record Store Day. It happens
Speaker 6: in the second Saturday of April, and they made a
Speaker 6: second one for Black Friday in November.
Speaker 4: But what it is is sort of sound nerd audio there.
Speaker 4: It's like us people.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is the equivalent of like New Jordan's
Speaker 6: coming out. So some people will sleep outside of what
Speaker 6: was formerly known as a Meva Records in la I
Speaker 6: mean it moved to another location.
Speaker 2: It didn't shut down.
Speaker 4: But basically, Record Store Day is a day that pretty
Speaker 4: much everyone lives for in April to buy like rare
Speaker 4: you know, somebody Jack White will print joint yeah exclusive,
Speaker 4: So Jack White will print up like five thousand copies
Speaker 4: of some particular like song that you know, it's either
Speaker 4: a forty five or maybe like a ten inch or whatever,
Speaker 4: but they do it. They do it in small numbers,
Speaker 4: so it's almost like art and usually you know, somebody
Speaker 4: will wind up paying like a gazillion dollars on eBay
Speaker 4: for it or something like that. I think you should
Speaker 4: make I think you should make five thousand copies of
Speaker 4: the record that you intended to make and just secretly
Speaker 4: release it or record store day and just let the
Speaker 4: legend of Chick.
Speaker 2: Go out that way.
Speaker 5: I agree, and you know what, I think it should
Speaker 5: be that and also the artwork should be I should
Speaker 5: do the original artwork. And so I freaking people don't
Speaker 5: even know. I literally wrote, Okay, so it's a dead
Speaker 5: roach that's the cover. Then it's a lipstick written chick
Speaker 5: on top of it that I wrote in my handwriting.
Speaker 5: The title is some ugly daughter. That's the title of
Speaker 5: the album. And then the back of the album is
Speaker 5: a crushed makeup thing, a makeup like eye shadows or
Speaker 5: pink blue pastels. And then I just did, like with
Speaker 5: a fork at the Hit Factory. I just like did
Speaker 5: and then took a picture of it, and then wrote
Speaker 5: all the wrote all the song titles on the back.
Speaker 5: And then the CD itself, I did, like kiss it
Speaker 5: like it's a whole thing, like the actual the physical
Speaker 5: CD is amazing. And somebody gave me a copy. Somebody
Speaker 5: gave me a copy because I didn't have one, like
Speaker 5: you know, it was for laps. And then like I
Speaker 5: did it, and then they ruined it by making it.
Speaker 5: Not that they ruined it. I love Cloric, So she
Speaker 5: did a great job singing on top of it, and
Speaker 5: we worked on a couple songs. I didn't send you
Speaker 5: those two. I did the original album as intended. That's
Speaker 5: what I sent to you, a milor. But anyway, so
Speaker 5: it became like a thing where it wasn't allowed to
Speaker 5: be meaning or what I was gonna do is back
Speaker 5: then release it, do a total different character visually, and
Speaker 5: then hopefully have a hit with one of the songs,
Speaker 5: and then reveal that it was me and be like huh.
Speaker 5: Because at that time, it was very much like if
Speaker 5: you were quote unquote popular on the pop charts, you
Speaker 5: could not have critical acclaim. They just didn't give a chap.
Speaker 5: They just didn't care. It was just like a da
Speaker 5: da da, you know, we like this artsy person, we
Speaker 5: like this edgy person, whatever, And so it was what
Speaker 5: it was. But at this point I do think Chick
Speaker 5: me us to have its own thing. And I actually
Speaker 5: been having conversations with someone I'm not going to name
Speaker 5: about doing like another version of Chick some of those
Speaker 5: songs and writing a couple of new ones. And I'm
Speaker 5: asking you now if you will write those with me,
Speaker 5: or at least like explore it. Because she's a young
Speaker 5: sixteen year old girl who is very famous and she's
Speaker 5: perfect for this, and We've already had conversations about it
Speaker 5: and I'm planning on, like hopefully working on it.
Speaker 6: It's coming out, yo, Billie.
Speaker 2: No, we know that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, actually now I'm Riah. But why actually,
Speaker 6: why you bullshit?
Speaker 2: Actually? Why you bushit?
Speaker 6: I knew who you choose Mariah, but on the real yeah, right, talked.
Speaker 5: About she and I. She's an actress, but she wants
Speaker 5: to sing as well.
Speaker 6: And you know it's a good look. It'll work with
Speaker 6: her too. It'll work I'm talking about right, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: know it'll work.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think you should.
Speaker 6: I think you should definitely do that, Rio because out
Speaker 6: of I mean you've been talking now for like three
Speaker 6: out out of everything that you've talked about, this is
Speaker 6: the most excited you sounded about anything.
Speaker 5: M hmm. Well, because I can talk about my own
Speaker 5: top stories all the live long day, but this is
Speaker 5: something that and it's something that's fun. It's not you
Speaker 5: don't see that.
Speaker 6: I'm not pinking and it sounds like you I mean,
Speaker 6: it's just I'm just from you know, just sitting here
Speaker 6: having these conversations. You know this sounds like the thing
Speaker 6: that most feels like it most represents you. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like it seems like true to who
Speaker 6: you are.
Speaker 5: I mean, the music represents me, I'm not saying if
Speaker 5: it doesn't. It represents a silly side of me that
Speaker 5: was at a time really needed an outlet. It was
Speaker 5: a musical, but it was for laughs, which is how
Speaker 5: I get through most things, is just making jokes and
Speaker 5: getting through it. So it was like combining to kind
Speaker 5: of to defense to not defense mechanisms, to escape mechanisms,
Speaker 5: you know, to you know, it was music and it
Speaker 5: was fun and it was me like just writing relapse.
Speaker 5: That's why I want to play that song Hermit, because
Speaker 5: but the funny thing is even my daughter Monrose like
Speaker 5: so she heard it. She heard the song Malibu, and
Speaker 5: then she heard the rest of the songs and she
Speaker 5: just started singing the one Hermit that goes um like
Speaker 5: it's an accident. She heard it. She goes, she's nine,
Speaker 5: She goes, Mommy, can you send me the Chicks album?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Yo, it sounds amazing. This record sounds amazing.
Speaker 8: Okay, we are not.
Speaker 5: Wait, Mariah, this long without happening music in the background
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, because this is.
Speaker 2: We're on zoom.
Speaker 4: If this was the real format of the show, then
Speaker 4: I would have the ability to add music.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 7: Zoom that would have been.
Speaker 2: I know, I miss roll call.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I was like, Oh, I'm glad I
Speaker 5: don't have to just put under that pressure.
Speaker 2: I miss roll call. But wait, can I ask something though?
Speaker 4: So basically, what was what what what I'm gathering is
Speaker 4: what was freeing for you and what elated you was
Speaker 4: sort of the care freeness of creating music kind of
Speaker 4: without a care and being honest and just putting it
Speaker 4: all out there.
Speaker 5: It was also I would have to get through without
Speaker 5: laughing some of the time. That was part of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But humor.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing though, And even though I'm like clam
Speaker 4: even though I'm clamoring in the mountains on the mountaintops
Speaker 4: about your acting, it's really your sense of humor, which
Speaker 4: I never knew you had, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like my fans.
Speaker 5: Knew, no one to know. I can't expect people to know,
Speaker 5: you know, Like it's just like you know.
Speaker 2: Let me rephrase it.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'm not on the outside looking
Speaker 6: in I've been to many of Mariah concert I've I've
Speaker 6: I've know, I know you have a sense of humor,
Speaker 6: but it's it's relaxed timing. But what what I feel
Speaker 6: that the white elephant question I want to ask is like,
Speaker 6: would you ever try to create an album in that vein?
Speaker 6: Not under the guys of like, well, I'm gonna do
Speaker 6: music genre this totally the opposite of what I'm known for.
Speaker 6: Would you not ever try to extra size that sort
Speaker 6: of freedom and your actual Mariah career, not like.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, let's have some fun and do an alternative
Speaker 4: rock record, or let's do a somber record, or let's
Speaker 4: do an afrobeat record.
Speaker 5: And I hear what you're saying, but I never said
Speaker 5: to them, let's do an alternative rock album. I was
Speaker 5: just in that era when all that stuff was huge,
Speaker 5: and they happened to be very talented musicians in the
Speaker 5: room who could easily pull that off. And actually sometimes
Speaker 5: we deliberately did stuff not perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah you had to play down.
Speaker 5: But it was fun, Like it was just fun. So
Speaker 5: to answer your question, I would love to do, honestly,
Speaker 5: have another concept that I want to told to you
Speaker 5: about that We also kind of touched on when I
Speaker 5: would do whatever, like no, I don't want to ever,
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not inspired to do a somber record.
Speaker 5: I'm not inspired to do like whatever. I mean, I
Speaker 5: would totally do something that's not my genre. Here was
Speaker 5: the great thing about that moment. It was just free.
Speaker 5: It was just free. And I know people experience that
Speaker 5: without having an alternative ego or whatever, like most people
Speaker 5: experience that. I'm sure when you're making music most of
Speaker 5: the time, it's out of joy, like I don't know,
Speaker 5: I can't be here by anything. But it's not constantly
Speaker 5: nitpicking yourself or putting yourself like oh I hate that,
Speaker 5: let me do it again. Like that's that's how I am.
Speaker 2: But is it easy?
Speaker 6: Is it easy for you to create and craft songs
Speaker 6: without having to also be your judge and jury and executioner,
Speaker 6: like you know, to the point where, Okay, I have
Speaker 6: to make sure that this is notes correct, Like I'm
Speaker 6: a guy that loves I love mistakes. I love imperfection.
Speaker 6: You know, I love wrong notes, I love bending notes.
Speaker 2: I love you know.
Speaker 6: I love imperfection so much, Like but could you do
Speaker 6: you think you could ever?
Speaker 2: Like let your allow, yeah.
Speaker 6: And put it out or just do it for labs now,
Speaker 6: put it out as not as like a side silly project,
Speaker 6: put it out as Mariah Carey.
Speaker 5: It depends on what it was. I would have to
Speaker 5: be in the room and feel what we're doing, Like
Speaker 5: what's the inspiration, what are we doing, Like where are
Speaker 5: we coming from? Like, yeah, we could. I would all day,
Speaker 5: experiment all day. I'm not going to commit to prior
Speaker 5: to Oh yeah, this is definitely coming out. I would
Speaker 5: have to live with it, you know, Okay, what's your
Speaker 5: thought and mirror?
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we finally did this interview so we can
Speaker 4: have normal conversations because you and I have been cat
Speaker 4: and mousing for so long because I wanted our initial
Speaker 4: conversation to be this podcast.
Speaker 2: I get not nerd out on you in real life.
Speaker 5: So y'all have been talking this whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, like I've I've been purposely holding
Speaker 4: back because usually when I start friendships, it's it. It
Speaker 4: starts in the guise of journalists, and that makes people uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Like hey, by the way, when you did at the
Speaker 4: court and like I wanted to get that out the
Speaker 4: way here.
Speaker 7: What brought y'all too together? Anyway?
Speaker 5: The book really the book, the book that's right.
Speaker 7: Doesn't hitting you up about the food the ritz.
Speaker 6: Crackers, Yeah, exactly. The book strung me in so yeah,
Speaker 6: now a friendship.
Speaker 5: Inform that's dope. No, it really means so much to
Speaker 5: me because you know, you are an incredible writer and
Speaker 5: your level of knowledge is just you know, as we
Speaker 5: all know, nobody's truid. But then the whole thing with
Speaker 5: the food and the book, it's a thing.
Speaker 2: How turn out it was.
Speaker 5: One of the best years. I gotta say it was
Speaker 5: one of.
Speaker 2: These Christmas is I gotta try this linguini.
Speaker 9: It's like daddy's linguini, your dad's clam sauce.
Speaker 2: She only she only does it for Christmas.
Speaker 7: That's the part I texted Mirror about. I was like,
Speaker 7: I want some of that, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly, tell you it's really good. And I didn't even
Speaker 5: know the secret ingredient with the onions because for years
Speaker 5: I was like, why can't I find any restaurant that
Speaker 5: makes my dad like mix better than my dad's linguini
Speaker 5: with white clemsas like these Italian restaurants, even in Italy,
Speaker 5: they don't do it as well. I was like, what
Speaker 5: is it that you know a black man from Harlem?
Speaker 7: Me just said it, you just said it.
Speaker 5: There it is. But but but they didn't tell like
Speaker 5: he didn't. I never had the recipe. And then like
Speaker 5: the year before he died, he gave me the actual
Speaker 5: recipe and looted it down. And then yeah, and then
Speaker 5: who's the best gift he ever gave me? And then
Speaker 5: I realized what I was doing wrong. I never knew.
Speaker 5: I never saw him onions in it as a kid.
Speaker 5: But they liquefying the PM. That's the secret. So every
Speaker 5: year now I just do it, and it's this Christmas Eve,
Speaker 5: it's every Christmas Eve. I just decided I'm not doing
Speaker 5: Christmas dinner with the traditional nonsense. It was a mess
Speaker 5: this year. No offensive this year or whatever. But the
Speaker 5: turkey was dry, and everything you.
Speaker 6: Cooked last Christmas you cooked last Christmas.
Speaker 5: We're in January now, so yes, yes, I cooked my
Speaker 5: dad's recipe for Lincoln or I clamsaus Eve and then
Speaker 5: then I did Christmas dinner. But I supervised it, but
Speaker 5: not well enough. See, it's a constant thing. You have
Speaker 5: to micro manage everything, and I'm so tired of it.
Speaker 5: Anybody listening to this podcast, please me if you're not
Speaker 5: a psycho and you just want a job as like
Speaker 5: a facilitator, you feel that you really want to be
Speaker 5: out on a level where we're going to get to
Speaker 5: a very very different levels starting this year.
Speaker 2: You're talking about food.
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm talking about administrative assistant. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: executive and hiring.
Speaker 7: And you're not.
Speaker 2: You do not want.
Speaker 5: We can't even organize this freaking podcast.
Speaker 6: Think this this came off without Ariot No.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. You you truly let your guard down.
Speaker 4: I don't think you've ever given a three hour interview before.
Speaker 4: I haven't, so I feel honored and I feel the
Speaker 4: love that you trusted me so much to do this
Speaker 4: for me. Even when you agreed, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: this might be like Michelle Obama, like twenty five minutes.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, No, hanging out with you guys and
Speaker 5: having you splash and stuff, and thank you for having
Speaker 5: me and and everything else.
Speaker 2: Mariah.
Speaker 6: We think he's so much for doing this for us.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, and thank you for the music.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for caring. So yeah, here, guys,
Speaker 5: don't forget I'm hiring.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm going to take that off the podcast,
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7: For three hours.
Speaker 5: You need to make sure you get me somebody for real. Snybody.
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you.
Speaker 7: Help you can help you with that.
Speaker 2: I got you. I'm I'm an expert in this area.
Speaker 2: I got a right.
Speaker 7: Thank you for sharing the truth. It was a beautiful story.
Speaker 9: I mean, I know a lot of it was hard,
Speaker 9: but thank you for sharing it was really brave.
Speaker 6: We appreciate it, all right on behalf of a sugar
Speaker 6: Steve Fan, Tikeolo and unpaid bill.
Speaker 2: You missed one paid bill your fault, bro.
Speaker 5: Love you, guys, thank you, We love you all right.
Speaker 4: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I know we made a promise.
Speaker 4: This is a hermit from the Lost Mariah Carey Chick Project,
Speaker 4: which is actually.
Speaker 2: Kind of dope. Dick it. I hope you do too,
Speaker 2: all right, see.
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Speaker 2: Yo, what's up? This is fante.
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