WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Mariah Carey Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:06.240 What's Up Everybody? 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.920 This is Sugar Stea from Quest Love Supreme as we 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:10.320 celebrate the holiday season. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:11.560 This felt like a. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.320 Worthy two part classic to revisit. Here is Mariah Carry. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:17.200 We recorded this in the middle. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.319 Of the night, but it was worth it. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.120 Mariah was promoting her book and she was an open 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.880 book to us. This is a really free and fun 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.120 conversation with one of the biggest superstars of Men. Part 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.080 two originally aired on Friday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty one. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 Enjoy everybody and happy holidays and a healthy New Year 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.760 from Team Supreme and everybody at Questlove Supreme. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:51.240 In terms of editing, how does one Because you definitely 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:56.520 walked a mighty tight groupe as far as like telling 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.440 your side of the story and your experiences. But when 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.880 you're writing your memoir, how do you know what stories 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.880 to tell and what stories to leave out? Because you 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.320 said that you know oftentimes you're not alone, so oftentimes 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:15.080 your stories have happened to happen with people that are 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.120 with you. So how do you know like what to 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:23.320 share and like what's TMI and what's okay? This part 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.800 of the story is cool to tell. I feel safe 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.120 telling the story. I guess what I'm asking is, how 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.959 did you know how much to share about Sony prison? 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.680 How did you know how much to reveal about your 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:46.720 Matola period without fear of further repercussion or litigious action 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.440 or any of those things. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.960 Well, you know, in America they can anybody can be religious, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:02:00.520 and I've noticed that great to that. By the way, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.800 if anyone should be litigious, it's me to get a 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.280 certain amount of years back of my life that were 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:18.240 spent basically, you know, under somebody's control. But seriously, honestly, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.200 I there were certain stories we didn't even delve into 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.920 until like kind of the end of the process, like 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.160 the story at the kitchen table with the butter knife 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.840 and stuff like that. But these are things that actually happened, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.079 and whether somebody else and that you got to look 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.799 it up to know what I'm talking about, somebody else, 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:43.160 you know, felt that that was TMI. I don't care, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.400 like that was part of my story. That was a 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.640 catalyst to get me the hell out of that situation 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.640 where you sometimes you know a lot of women, whoever 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.480 it is, I don't want to say it's specifically women, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:02.120 but we tend to tolerate domestic abuse in whatever form 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.200 that may take longer than sho be taking it. And 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.760 that's what I did, because emotional abuse is I'm not 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.440 saying it's worse than physical abuse, but it's it's a 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:13.280 form of abuse. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.440 It's probably even more damaging. You know, stays with you, Yes, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.760 it stays. Yeah, that's gonna ask you, you know, being 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.440 at that period of your life, what do you think, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.480 uh led you into a romantic relationship with you know, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.560 the head of your label and you know how like, 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.560 how did it even get to that point? 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.920 Again? I would hope that people will read about this 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.080 because I think when you read about it and you 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.680 understand what my childhood was like, you understand what my 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.600 early adult very early we're not even adults they teams 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:56.120 about as a struggling singer and songwriter with everything in 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.200 my head going towards a goal, going towards a goal. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.200 I'm not going to be like my family members that 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.160 I've seen go down the path of drug drug abuse 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.040 and prostitution and all the things that happened right where 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.280 a mass appeal audience doesn't even understand what that is. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.440 And if it's ever been you know, used, used, or 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.680 talked about it, spoken about it in the media. It's 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.120 always been like for shame, look at it. Like it's 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.200 never been like, look at what she actually came out. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.279 She came from. Yeah, look at what she escaped. Yeah, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.920 it's never viewed as a success story. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.080 No, but it's also like and I'm trying, and people 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.680 think I was trying to like look what I came from. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.760 Like I'm just saying, I'm not saying that's exclusively a 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:45.560 black experience, but it's surely in the middle of the road, Princess. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.360 Not an adult temporary experience. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.039 Oh it's not. It's not anything other than a really, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:57.920 really dysfunctional and hard experience that I went through and 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.560 multiple times. So when you ask what led to that situation, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.640 I didn't have boyfriends like after high school, and I 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:12.360 never had like a real an actual serious situation because 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.159 when I was growing up, I always knew I'm not 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.680 gonna be around these people. I don't care, like I'm 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.960 getting out of this go on, I'm going to realize 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.839 my dreams. This is not a this is not an if, 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.560 this is a wind. And so when I do, I 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.800 won't be around these people. That I'm around right now 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.039 who are doubters and who look at me as the 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.040 scum of the earth. That's what I'm not going to do. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:38.560 So anyway, in dealing with that relationship and how it evolved, 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.320 there are manyfactors that made it develop. What I will 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.200 say is he believed in me as much as I 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.080 believed in myself, and that is the most attractive quality 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.240 that I can find. So maybe there were other things 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.279 where it wasn't like, oh my gosh, it's my school, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.919 go crush and blah blahlah lah. And you know, knowing 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.840 that he was twenty plus years older than me and 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.760 I was a kid, but there's a certain sense of 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.960 validation and a sense and at the beginning I'm saying 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:13.360 that the sense, yeah, and a sense of security when 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.400 you're when you're having to fight your own family, your 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.280 own demons, your own stuff. That that was there. It was, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.160 and that's where they got this whole Prince Charming narrative. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.479 But let's face it wasn't that, and it certainly didn't 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.400 evolve into that for a number of reasons that I've 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.040 talked about a lot, But you know, it was what 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.440 it was, and I definitely wish him. Well, I just 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.719 wish I could get back some of those years and 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.520 just insert like a party every now and then with 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.760 a couple of girlfriends, or like a fun moment or 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.560 like a phone conversation without somebody having to be like 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.360 what you're gonna do, what's going on? What is it? 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.640 And freaking out and ruining everything and taking it Like, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.480 as much as those years were amazing with the successes 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.200 and things in the early years I'm talking about, it 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.800 was awesome, very much like, well, you can have fun 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.040 for ten more minutes and then it's over. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.440 Wait, I don't I don't want to spoiler alert, And 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:21.400 again Mariah is correct. I think probably the best way to, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.520 I don't know, not have the experience that I had. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:31.160 But you know, I recommend that people get this book 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.600 and taking the information so they can learn like I did. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.440 But there's there's one incident I kind of want to 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.560 ask about, but I feel like it's the most gripping 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.920 story in the book, so I don't want to spoiler 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.000 alert it, but I will call it the French fry incident. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.320 Keep okay, I won't say it's the friend I haven't 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.280 got it. She's basically at the height of well, what 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:00.880 is what is? 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.000 What is truly the height of Mariah Idis in a 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.480 three years story career, I will say that, yes, she's 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:13.160 way beyond household name here, and just for her to 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:19.160 have a simple pleasure like French fries winds up turning 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.960 into a near h Will Smith Enemy of the State 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:29.760 situation with escaping security people and da da da da 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.160 da so and I'm asking you. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.640 One time I got to ask will Smith this question, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.000 and I asked him, like, what is it when you're 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.000 in this house alone? How many people here just for 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.040 you to feel comfortable to be alone, like walk downstairs 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.439 in your underwear? And he was like, like seventeen people. 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.720 Jesus, yeah, but he needed seventeen people. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.600 No, no, Well, because I've never seen an a state 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.760 that big. I mean, it's like two hundred and fifty 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.520 acres and you know, it's like a full scale staff 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:12.400 of you know, it's a full staff at at his living. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.839 Quarters and so it's the middle of yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.760 And the thing is is like I'm like, well, okay, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.800 like if you get out of bed and want to 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.840 get some orange juice at four in the morning, like 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.760 all these people, your staff is in the house, Like 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.720 you can't just be yourself and walk down in your underwear. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.160 So I'm like, Okay, what's the number of minimum people 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.880 that have to be in this house for you to 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.600 feel like I'm alone? 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.120 And he said seventeen. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.559 Normally there's about forty plus people on his property, security 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.080 and all that stuff. So I mean during that, during 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:55.440 the height of what I call between Mariah Carrey and glitter, Yeah, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:01.640 what was I mean, how often even your home, what 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.080 was isolation or just a moment to yourself, like like 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.320 was it still always with security no matter where you 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.079 were and even in your house, Like, was it always 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:12.400 like that? 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.840 Okay, so we're speaking specifically about what I'll call sing 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.120 sing right like. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:25.880 That, he refers to her, Yes, we got the house, yes. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.280 Because because when you when you say up until glitter, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.679 that's a whole nother thing, like because I left at 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:36.080 Butterfly before but during the rightly. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.079 Just a version yeah, okay. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.680 But it was that was a whole other thing. So 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.000 when you read the book, you'll see, Okay, that was 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.720 its own hysteria and whole thing. So I'll I'll break 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.679 it up into the couple of years that I lived 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.760 in that huge mansion which you can google it. There's 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.200 really no We never took any pictures like you know today, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.720 everybody would take pictures of their house. Everybody would make 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.720 a huge to deal out of it. It's a thirty 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.600 million dollar mention, massive, sprawling thing that I, by the way, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.960 half of pay for half of everything, down to the electric, 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.840 down to the electric as a twenty something year old woman. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:21.360 Wow, that Twitter would go crazy. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.200 Saying, but that was me being like, oh, I don't 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.920 want to be looking my home and I don't want 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.320 to be kicked out of my own house. And little 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.880 did I know when he said here's a fabulous piece 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.160 of property, let's make this a house, I was like, Okay, great, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.599 I just got a million dollars for publishing advance or 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.160 whatever it was. So I'm thinking, I don't know how 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.440 much stuff costs, and I'm like, okay, I need to 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.360 pay for half of this because I wanted to be mine. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:47.720 I never want to be kicked out of my house. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.640 And when I said I was going to get married, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.960 I believe in that. I was like, oh, I guess 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.600 this is for the rest of my life. Like I'm 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.959 not just I wasn't like, let's just let's see it, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.440 then we'll get out of it. Whenever. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.360 No, you need agency to make it a real relationship, 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.959 like you need agency, your. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.800 Own yes, your own pensive self worth and everything else 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.520 that I had worked that hard for to that point. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.760 But anyway, at that point there was always security. There 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.920 was I would say they were probably about I mean, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.680 look when people were coming to the house, like the 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:27.079 French five incident that you're talking about, the jail break 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.920 incident as we call it, Brat and Jakie and all that. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.400 I don't know, there were ten security armed security guards. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:41.480 There were you know, there were housekeepers, management, like all 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.839 those people were there. Did I ever feel like I 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.760 used to creep down the stairs sometimes and have like 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.040 a semi private moment until I would hear the baby 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.959 on the intercom what are you doing? And that would 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:59.360 break me out? How the time in every room? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.560 The anacom was in every room, because that's a big house. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:02.880 That's yeah. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:04.800 If you wanted to. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.800 Just get a snack in the refrigerator, like I don't 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:08.120 eat that. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.440 No, No, that wasn't that wasn't said. But it'd just 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.559 be like I'd get into the I would sneak out 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.000 of the bed, and I talked about this, like barely 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.600 trying to trying to not move the bed, and I 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:27.560 would sneak out in tiptoe to the back area my closet, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.959 go that way to the right, and then sneak all 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.280 the way around the how you know, down the house, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.680 down the side to where the kitchen was. Meanwhile, I 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.199 could have gone straight down to the kitchen, but I 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.599 didn't want to walk through the through the bedroom and 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.360 then went away, came up, and then I would go 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.280 that way and I would suddenly get into the kitchen 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.120 and be like, oh, I would have some Chateau we 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.480 Kim that was around like a little splash whatever, you know, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:55.679 try to whatever was snuck and suddenly did yeah, and 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:01.400 I'd be like nothing, you know, it was it was 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.600 that confining. But I will say there is a certain 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.600 thing in terms of no matter where you go, there 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.240 you are. Because even here, even in my life now, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.440 even having this greatest week, possibly because you know, breaking 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.880 the Spotify record and all the stuff that happened, like 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.800 I'm not too born, I'm not whatever, but having this 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.240 happen at this point in my life and the book 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.960 and all this stuff is so amazing but then I 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.720 don't feel like, oh, I can just walk around in 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.280 my underwear with you know, no judgment or no whatever, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.920 or walk around with like even talking to you guys, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.920 right and now like walk around with my hair look 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.760 at a mess of this and that. And that's really 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.720 because of some of the things that have happened to 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.560 me where I look at like quote unquote stardom as 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.360 a fabulous thing and a goal that, once achieved is 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.720 like you did, whoa. But it also comes with this 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:59.000 level of expectation you always got to that you've always 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.320 got to be on and if you yeah, not on, no, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.520 but even within your own home, people like what like 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.640 if I'm not walking around like hi, because I've created 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.800 this festive thing and I'd always be happy and you know, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.560 make everybody else feel comfortable for me to just be 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.920 allowed to be me. And I feel like with the book, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.640 I've gotten to a place where I can say to 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.000 people who may have walked all over me previously, like 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.040 did you read the book? Because if you did, you'd 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.320 see that you need to actually treat me as like 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.040 a human being. Where if I'm on a video shoot 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.760 and there is no water and there is no covering. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.520 You know, there is no seat like you Like, we 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.640 were just doing this the Christmas thing with Jay Hud 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.240 and Iron Garmy, right, So the app especially and I 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.520 see Jay team and I see the second rebreak right 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.840 because you know there's the union breaks and it's her 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.520 team is incredible. They got her seat, they got her water, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.960 they got her massage, they got her foot moment, and 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.160 I'm just like yay Jha because I love her so much. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.040 I think she's such an incredible person. She deserves that 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.120 treatment more than anybody I know. But I took note 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:09.960 of it, and I was like, I've been having this 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.160 struggle for years because what happens is and even my 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.360 therapist back in the day said to me, when you 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.440 smile and you're on, people don't think there's a problem. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.680 They don't think you don't need to be care of, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:29.000 You don't need to be Yeah, I'm gonna care I'm smiling, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.960 I'm here, I'm there, and it's lit well and it's 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.640 hair and makeup and it's outfits and it's sparkly. And 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.880 then I then it cuts and everybody goes about the 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.840 merry way. And if I don't have like a little 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.480 morsel of food or just like someone helped me walk 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.320 to the trailer or whatever it is. And that's a 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.560 lack of management, you know. And this is we're talking 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.720 about two thousand and one. But I'm saying this has 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.760 been a pattern and even to this day, like I 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.760 don't know, I just try to make people fit into, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.920 like get into this space where I'm expecting them to 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.400 be caretakers. But really I'm the caretaker and I always 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:02.760 have them. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.239 So wait, then, is this book like the warning of 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.080 what's to come then? 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:07.400 Right? 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.480 Because I mean, are you now at a point where 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.879 you're understanding all these things and so you're are you 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.320 going into a I don't give a fuck phase? Because 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.600 I feel like now is the time. Now's the time 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.159 to go into the I don't give a fuck phases? 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:20.639 I don't give a fuck, COVID, I don't give a 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.760 fuck twenty twenty, like why do you give a fuck? 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.320 Right? So, in the words of the immortal and ever 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.160 present Diana Ross and I talk about this in the book, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.520 she said to me, well, we're at top of the pops, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.520 which you guys know what that is. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.560 I know, yeah, yeah, you know that. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.720 Can make or breaking artists you might want to give 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.720 them a little backstory on that. You can see everybody. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:47.280 There well, our our our readership, our fans know what 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.159 top of the pops. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.399 You know. But in case some of my lambs happened 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:56.400 to listen, it's it was a show that could literally 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:01.119 make or break a record in the UK and around Europe. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:06.360 So you would oftentimes run into anybody from Phil Collins 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.040 to you know, Diana Ross. So what happened to run 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.360 into And she's there doing her own hair makeup. She 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.400 she came into my room. You know, she's there, and 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.960 this is during this is around I'll be their remake time. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.879 So that's like, I don't want to say numbers of years, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.800 but it's very beginning of my career, right a la 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:36.480 la la lat. Yeah, but who's giunting? Was it not? 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.480 Was it not? No? It yeah, around that time. I 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.040 don't even know. It could have been right after that, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.640 But all I know is Trey wasn't with me because 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.560 Miss Ross is Trey's favorite, and I was calling him 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.280 and leaving voice messages with her. But anyway, she's she 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.119 scans the roomb, she's looking around the room and she 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.560 goes she sees the hair makeup this and that, the wardrobe, 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.479 the managers, the lookers on, the publicists, whoever they were. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.000 And she's by herself, doing her hair, doing her makeup, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.600 walking barefoot in and out of the room, and she's 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.360 like in the most glamorous way possible. And she's like, Mariah, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.000 one day, you're not going to have these people around you. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.400 You're not going to help people around you. And she said, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.280 someday you're not gonna win to held these people around you. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.040 And I was like, and now I'm like, I believe 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:29.440 that someday is good. I'm serving a purpose of really 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.639 helping you. Why are they here? We are in the 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.560 age of direct messaging, of figuring out your own narrative 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.000 this stuff. What is the purpose of people if they're 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:45.200 not one hundred thousand trillion, what quad billion percent team 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.800 MC and really really care to be there? Why are 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:49.760 you giving away money? 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.960 I wanted to ask you about one of my favorite jams, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.600 yours breakdown with Bone Thugs at harm. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.760 That's what was that session? 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:08.119 Like? Okay, so, so first I was with Stevee J. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.040 And actually I had the conversation with Damn. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:16.800 I forgot Stevie J used to do music at one point. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.840 Yes, he made amazing music. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.680 I forgot Stevie J was he was a legit producer. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.520 Stevie he was the dude up. Was he as crazy 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.640 back then as I know him now. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.439 From the TV shows and such? Yeah, yeah, that's in general, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.600 because I don't I don't really keep up with that. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.160 I have my own memories of him back then. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.320 Stevie J, I know, is the STEVIEJ of VH one 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.800 reality shows. So I'm just trying to was that person 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.520 in England? Is that person? 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.280 Was that him? Always been there? 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:58.240 Also? Very charming, always very charming. I can't say she. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.720 Was in prison then that. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.440 But here's the thing, I don't think at that point 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.159 that it wasn't reality shows and stuff, and it was 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.400 still a grind because he was a bad boy producer, right, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.960 So he was the behind the scenes person making beats. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.720 And we ended up so I talked to Kuff about 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.640 the idea of bone bouncing harmony, and we were very 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:27.720 inspired by Notorious Thugs. But that was obviously a minor moment, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.880 and then we kind of like flipped it to have 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.919 more the anemony, like a little like happy part on 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.120 top of that harder beat. So you know, we ended 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.160 up knowing that they were that crazy and which bone 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.720 were going to be on it. And yeah, I was 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.560 in the studio with Stevie J a lot, and then 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.680 I ended up recording. I mean, I don't even want 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.480 to tell this story. One of these days, if there's 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.080 a potsho, I'm going to tell the this. It includes brownies, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.960 It includes say what. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.080 Busy, I'm sorry. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:12.560 Brownies by myself. No, that session was a complete hazes 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.199 like when we were all together in the session, but 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.640 I laid my vocals down first, so by the time 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:21.240 they heard the song, it already had that you know, 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.720 had the it had that whole thing, and they were 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.400 they were it was clear that I was inspired by 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:31.439 their flow and everything. So so when I recorded my vocals, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.680 so I went to Florida and it was a whole 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.119 thing with the brownies and whatever. And then and I 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.160 will get into greater detail at one at some point, 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.600 But when I listened back to it, because I you know, 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.520 for my phot it would just be like, okay, browniees. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.840 And my assistant at that time was like Queen of brownies, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.280 and so she did give me the brownies. And then 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.879 I'm at this restaurant in Florida, after I did the 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.360 whole day of vocal like doing my backgrounds, doing the vocals, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.320 layering them, putting it down, you know, laying out kind 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:03.800 of like the parts. I thought it would be cool 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:05.879 for the guys, and then they did that thing on 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.480 top of it and their own thing to it. But 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.800 I listened back to it afterwards, after I got in 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.720 the car. After like I got a paranoid moment, like 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.080 people in the restaurant started recognizing me, going, oh, okay, okay, 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.280 can we take a picture with you? And I was like, 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.359 had the brownie? So I'm like I still felt like 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:24.840 my high school self, and I was like, why do 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:26.840 they want to take a picture with me? What? Why? 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.560 What is this? Because I just weren't used to the 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:31.520 whole brownie thing, cause I was very never doing that. 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.120 And then I'm like, okay, let's get out of here. 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.879 So I get in the car and I put it 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.359 on and I heard how kind of like how fast 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.280 I was singing, and I said to myself, what in 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.520 the hell is this? Like this is no what did 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.119 I do? I hate this? I don't know not that 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:47.760 I hate it. 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:49.840 I love the way it came together, you wouldn't have 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.320 thought on paper. But then when the execution, I was. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:57.359 Like, I know, so anyway, I loved it after I 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.000 finished it, but when I read listened back to what 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.240 after the brownie thing, I thought, yeah, I thought I 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.879 thought I had wasted a session and that was horrible. 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.000 But anyway, after the recovery, which is a whole other story, 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.800 Q tip is involved to be a phone opening, but wow, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.520 after that and I'm deliberately being evasive because I have 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.720 to tell the story of detail at some point. But 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.760 then they laid there when we got so cut to 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.040 back at the head factory in New York. A complete 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.320 and total haze with those guys. But I love working 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.000 with them, and they you know, they could hear that 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.320 there was they had inspired the whole thing. So it was. 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.840 It was. It's still one of my favorites, and I 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:38.520 appreciate you. 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:39.199 Yeah, I love that. 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.960 Speak speaking of which, by the way, from oh yeah yeah, 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.560 speaking of which, uh, I listened to that Busy Boone 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:57.320 interview like once a month man a big business man listen, Yeah, 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:02.320 that that nigga business bone because business Michael and he 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.040 a wild boy. 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.639 Or two things. I have to listen to six times 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.600 a year just to make it through life. 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:16.480 Maura, did you ever watch BT and cut uh? Way 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.959 back when Yeah, Busy Boy had a song called uh huh, 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.200 ain't like money my zip bags. 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.720 Ain't nothing like money in a zip like bag. It's 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:27.520 it's a classic. 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:37.280 Yeah, So uh ma Riah, I have a question, uh 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.560 with Honey. I always wanted to know this, Okay, So 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:48.720 at the time when Honey was first being conceived, I 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:49.320 was hanging with. 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:53.520 Tip a lot and he was mad amped. Yo. 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.120 I got to sing from Mariah It's going to be better. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.800 That is incredible, and then you know, cut to four 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:06.680 months later, it kind of went through the bad boy filter, right, 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.360 And I always wanted to know, like, what was the 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:16.760 conversation that transpired that turned it from the original demo 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.600 that I heard, or at least the idea that he 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:22.119 presented to you. I mean, obviously the question is, of course, 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:27.399 you know by ninety seven, anything did he did was 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.879 instant magic. So it's like, duh, of course I'm gonna 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:35.600 you know, go this route. I get it, But yeah, 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.480 how did that transpire? Like as far as the changing 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.920 of it, because the day came out, I called him 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.480 and you know, me again. I'm a patch fiend. 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.320 I was like, Yo, do these are your drum patches? 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.920 And he was like, no, man. 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.040 I get And this is a term that Tip always uses. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:01.360 He's like, I gave her nigga drums man and nah man, 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:02.720 they used different drum patches. 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.160 So how did it? Uh? 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.919 How did it come from what I heard in the 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.000 demo to what we now know? 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:18.000 You know that era, specifically with that song Honey was 0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.800 so much going on in my life. Don't forget that 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.639 was like that was the first emancipation of Mimi before 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.240 the actual one happened. 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:32.480 Later, even before Fantasy. I thought Fantasy was sort of 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:33.880 the flag planning. 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.880 Of that was me. 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.080 I snuck that in. They didn't really know who ODB was. 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.359 Had they seen his album cover and knew that he 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.600 made songs about gonorrhea, I don't think that would have happened. 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.520 I mean, two years into the Wu Tang clan, like 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.399 no brasset Sony was like she wanted to do or 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:53.800 some rapper you know or whatever. 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.480 They didn't even know. When I wanted to work with 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.440 jay Z, they didn't know who he was. Like, they 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.600 just connected culturally and they thought I was on some 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:08.119 kind of trying to be cool tangent music. 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:08.920 Right. 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.800 Really, it really was that it was an operation gap, 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.560 and it was a cultural gap, and it was just 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.200 them feeling more comfortable with me going a different route. 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.120 You know, they wanted to keep it ac they didn't understand, 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.560 but I didn't care. So but when we go back 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:31.720 to that Honey, specifically that record, Yeah, q Tash as 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.840 I call them, que Tash had come up with that 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:41.000 body rock sample. I guess that's what rock treacherous three, 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.680 and I loved it, and I wrote the song to 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.800 that loop. But then when I guess somehow, I don't 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.640 really honestly, I think I've blocked this part out. So 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.080 I don't want to say it in an accurate way. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.240 But I know that at the time, Poppy and I 0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:00.560 had done the other record together, Fantasy, and we were 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.320 working on stuff. But you know, there's a certain kind 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:08.920 of energetically if somebody's like, well. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.320 Let me disclose it, it's it was the smarter move 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:12.480 because it was. 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:15.480 It was the smartest move to do. 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:23.880 I wanted to incorporate the right as that. Yeah, I 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.960 wanted to. I wanted to incorporate that, and we had 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.320 the regular you know, the straight up loop from the 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.800 Treachers three, and then I wanted to put that part 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.520 the hey DJ part and for my own reasons, which 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.120 I talk about in the main of man carry the 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.840 memoir when the same meaning and mark the same time, 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.760 but mess that up anyway. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:46.960 You're so funny. 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:54.120 You did that on purpose? Yes, damn savage, nice one 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.920 thing it was. Now read the book, ladies and gentlemen. 0:29:59.000 --> 0:29:59.920 Wait, am I wrong in. 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:02.240 Trust me? 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:02.479 No? 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.120 No, no, no, I ask one more Honey question, because 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.120 and I'm wondering. I'm sure you get into it in 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:08.760 the book. But earlier on in the book where I'm 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.680 already at I had discovered your this dislike for the dance, 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.960 but you just mentioned that, you know, this is also 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.000 a stage in your life with Honey where you felt free. 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.479 So I was like, okay, So the freedom to do 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.239 the choreography and stuff in the video was that, like 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.760 that free feeling and just saying bucket, like let's just 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:26.560 go all out. 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.520 You know, I talk about my father's mother traumatizing me 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:37.920 about dancing roy that baby, girls, it's like it's a 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:38.440 whole thing. 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.600 Yes, you know it's in the books. I said that part. 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.800 But but you're dancing and Honey, So I was like, 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.000 did you get you got it back? 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:49.000 Like, it didn't turn me into Janet Jackson. It's just 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:54.840 one little moment and it was cute, you know. I 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.480 actually I really loved that video and that that was 0:30:57.520 --> 0:30:59.760 the only time I ever had fun making a video 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.840 back then. That's the first time I ever was free 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.280 to make a video and kind of like express myself 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.920 and I worked with Paul Hunter and Heartbreaker. No, the 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.120 Heartbreaker is later. 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:18.960 In terms of fun, like. 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.680 The first time I had fun that was the Honey video. 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.920 Okay, I was about to say I thought Heartbreaker was 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.320 actually like wow, okay, that's. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.840 Yeah, okay, no, no, but that but Honey was the 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.840 first time there was no ever present other person on 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.640 set telling me don't do that, or telling the director 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.080 not to film me in a certain way. 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.160 Oh okay. 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.400 It was the actual first time, first taste of freedom 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.720 that I had, even like back in the days with 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.360 the I Don't Want to Cry video, there was a 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.480 male model in the video and that got squashed real 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:03.959 it was problematic. I had a whole lecture about, yeah. 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:08.160 How awkward was it to take control of the rings 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.160 and decide for yourself? 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:12.200 What you wanted. 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.120 At that period, least at the at that period of 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.360 your career. 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.440 Like during honey or you know, that's the whole. So 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:29.920 it all stemmed from being able to extract myself from 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:35.400 that controlling situation, which was not easy because as you know, 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:37.480 I don't know if you know, but like if you 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.960 get into something as a kid and you allow that 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:45.040 pattern to continue, it's very difficult to break free from 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.800 that because other people just expect you to go along 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.440 with it. They expect you to go along with it. 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.080 They're used to you being compliant and you just deal 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.160 with it. So especially when you're dealing with someone at 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.040 that level, which now there really isn't anyone that powerful 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:02.640 to me, like because the way the artists were ConTroll 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.560 a lot. Everybody except me. 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:05.600 You are that power. 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.960 Now, well, we artists can be that powerful at this point, 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.360 you know, especially if people say that. But back then, 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.600 everybody was scared of that corporate as I call the 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:21.960 corporate morgue led by specifically one person who was uber powerful. 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.400 They were all scared to death, including me. So when 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.360 I started, when I got to the point that I 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.680 could no longer take it, is when I decided Okay, 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.840 I have to break free, and I got to figure 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.880 out how to do it. So if you listen to 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.840 the Butterfly album and the lyrics on that album, specifically Butterfly, 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.240 that was what I hoped somebody would say to me, 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.880 like wild horses tiled or their spirit diales. You know, 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.920 I wanted them to you know, I wanted them to 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.000 say that, like you know, and I truly feel your 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.680 heart will lead you back to me when you're ready 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.120 to land. I wanted to hear that, but I didn't 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.640 hear that, so I wrote it to my I wrote 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.400 it to someone else as a lyric for that song 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.360 and for that time, and it was very much what 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.960 I just I had to gain the strength. Like if 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.080 you listen to Pedals from the Rainbow album, that's about 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.120 like all the people that were screwed up in my life. 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.080 And this is not me blaming everybody else. I'm sure 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.520 I was a part of it too. I allowed it 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.000 to happen, but to break free not only from a 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.440 personal relationship, but from a massive corporate structure where you 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:32.200 are have been the number one artist on that label 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.160 and you also started out as a child really and 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:41.839 also your whole personal life is surrounded by people that 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:47.239 are slaved to that system. It's really not easy to 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:51.200 break free. And then the subsequent years when I wasn't 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.240 allowed to be free, even when I was on another 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.440 label or even when I was trying to do my 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.200 own thing, there was a concerted effort to kind of 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:02.399 squash that or squash that, or ever the proper terminology is. 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:07.399 So there was until the emancipation of Mimi. There when 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.359 I got with a new group of people. Fortunately, you know, 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:14.879 after all the stuff that happened, there was no there 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.719 was no freedom, There was nothing. There was a constant fight. 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:22.080 Whether I was inside the structure or having gotten out 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.760 a structure, there was a constant fight, a constant battle, 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.839 and it just made me sort of implode it and 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:35.040 it really really screwed me up. But what can you do? Here? 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.279 I am and it's great, Hallelujah, thank God. And you know, 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.359 I'm not going to dwell that stuff. But I talked 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.160 about it in the book because I wanted to Actually, 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.000 when people years from now tell my story, hopefully that happens, 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:51.240 they're going to have to use that book as a template, 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.520 like this is actual story. And I look at a 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.040 lot of people that I admired who didn't get a 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.319 chance to do that. They didn't. They may have told 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.880 their stories through their music, and people may interpret their stories, 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.239 and I know some people I'm here like to have 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.720 everybody else's input and their perspective. But what I wanted 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.319 was to tell my actual story, which doesn't begin with 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.920 Roni Carrey put out Vision of Love in nineteen ninety. No, 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.080 it doesn't begin with that I'm coloring in the wrong 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.319 crayon with a brown crayon for my father, so they 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.719 all freak out of me. It begins with like I 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.200 don't understand my hair, because you know, it begins with 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.160 all these identity issues, these issues are race, these struggles, 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.520 and then it goes you know, it goes to the 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:37.360 issues of control and people you know, always wanted to 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.200 have go. And even though that's not my song, but 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:44.200 I'm just saying, there's a thing where this is a 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.680 constant theme. And it's also like just being a woman 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.680 in a male dominated industry and then a woman of 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.520 color with all this ambiguity and people deciding how they're 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.640 going to market me and all of that shit. 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.600 So what were some of the things you mentioned earlier 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:05.200 that you know, you would hear things that they you know, 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.040 that people would say that you know, you know, you 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.160 wouldn't be privy to. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:09.920 If like if you had darker skin or whatever. 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:11.320 So like, what was some of the stuff And you 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.319 don't have to attribute it to anyone, but just like, 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:14.919 what's some of the stuff you would hear like white 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.600 people say around you that you know what I'm saying 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.800 that you knew they wouldn't right fether about your music 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:22.560 or whatever. 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:23.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.160 I'm going the whole the way back to childhood. I'm 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:32.520 going to, yeah, going to kindergarten. I'm going to, like 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.560 I said, coloring with the brown crayon and having the 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:40.839 entire the teachers come over and go, ha, why did 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.200 you use that crayon? Like I used a green crayon, 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.360 but because they just didn't know so and having the 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:51.239 entire class there at me. Basically I was humiliated. And 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.680 that's the first time I realized I was different from 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.120 anybody else because they had only seen my white mother 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.000 coming and going, you know, with my parents also were divorced. 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.799 I'm quite sure if I had had a different I 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.839 would have had a different experience with a family that 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:10.480 was married, if they were going to be a mixed family, 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.360 they started out in Brooklyn Heights, if they had just 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.600 stayed married, stayed in Brooklyn Heights, like where diversity is more. 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.840 They're used to diversity a bit more than like feeling like, oh, 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.840 let me you know both of them. I feel like 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:27.680 both my parents, mainly my father was like, I want 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.400 my kids to have a better life. So he thought moving, 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:35.960 you know, like he thought doing Yeah, that was he 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:37.960 thought that was going to make it better. But really 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.080 it made it worse. 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:39.480 And I. 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.440 Talk about, like I don't know my ex siblings experiences. 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.600 I know what I've heard. I'm sure it was horrible 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.560 for them, and I feel bad for them, but they 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.520 thought it was easier for me, and in actuality it 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.520 was probably I won't say it's worse a better, because 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.600 I can't speak for anybody's experience but my own, but 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:03.319 I know that. Yeah, So I tried to deal with 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:07.680 that selflessly in the book, you know, I tried to 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.279 give that sort of like, you know, look, they put 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.920 me through hell, and in my opinion, I'm not going 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.080 to say who's water, who did what, But the point 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.680 is I heard a lot of stuff like I have 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.840 this song called close my Eyes, which is one of 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.440 my fans' favorite and it's from one of my favorites 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.920 from a Butterfly album, and it goes I was a 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:29.560 wayward child with the weight of the world that I 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.840 held deep inside. Life was a winding road and I 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.360 learned many things little ones shouldn't know. But I closed 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.160 my eyes, steady, my feet in the ground, raised my 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.080 head to the sky, and the time rolled by. So 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:39.879 I feel like that child as I look at the moon. 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.239 Maybe I grew up a little too soon, meaning I 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.640 was in this fucked up place and I had to 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.120 grow up on my own and figure it out by myself, 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:49.839 you know. 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:51.359 So here I am. 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.360 There is no woe is me. This is just my story. 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.040 It's unique to me and other people that have had 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:03.440 simpler experiences, like yes, we'll understand it, or hopefully it 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:08.080 will empower other people to feel like they're important enough, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:12.840 they're worthy enough to exist, because I actually didn't feel worthy. 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.360 But I did have, thank God, a spark of hope 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.560 to know that one day I would get out of 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.080 the situation I was born into. 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:23.920 I would say to ask you, all right, do you 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.319 think that in your marriage to Tommy and what you 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.560 referred to as the kind of sony prison years. Do 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.399 you think that played a role in you marrying Nick 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.640 and choosing someone that was, at least on paper, like 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.520 very different you know what I'm saying. 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.040 Very different from the first marriage. 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.719 From the first marriage, I mean yeah, on paper. I 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.560 mean I don't know what was what the marriage was like, 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.960 but on paper it appeared that way. 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:54.040 Yeah, I mean, look the power dynamic in the first Like, 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.640 I laugh at it now because I would have two 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.080 marriages whatever. I'm like, what do you mean my first 0:40:59.160 --> 0:40:59.960 box husband? 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:04.080 It's all good. 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.120 I'm on my second time around too, don't need trip, 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:09.080 it's all good. 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:13.120 Keep I would just like to be invited. Sorry, go ahead. 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:22.120 No, honestly, that was it was fun. It was bad fun, 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:27.359 but it was just things. No, it was great. Nick 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:31.880 and I had fun and it was like, let's just 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.600 be kids and have a good time and whatever. And 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.319 the bottom line is we co parent now and we 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.520 have two kids that I love that make my life 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:47.600 a better thing, that that gave me conditional love, I hope. 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:53.080 And so it's a totally different experience. It's a completely 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.640 different experience. But yes, I don't think I would have 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.920 ever done. How could I do? There could never be 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.400 situation where I would be that vulnerable to being fully 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.040 under somebody else's control like that. 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.920 Ever, again, that's good. Everybody don't learn their lessons. Everybody 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:11.439 don't learn their lessons, so that's good. 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:17.279 It's honestly impossible. How can you be You can't recreate like, Okay, 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.520 there's gonna be this mobile oh yeah, right, kid that 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.359 has nothing, that has a dollar a week a day, 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.680 and then they're going to help, you know, give you 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.600 your record deal, but you're actually going to write all 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.560 these songs, produce them, do this and that and then 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.320 and you're gonna make them money and their corporation money. 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.200 But still they're going to commit, still have to split 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:36.000 the damn bills. 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.800 That was me. I blame myself. 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.160 She won an ownership Mariah. 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:48.080 Okay, So now that the book is out and has 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:53.000 done well, obviously, I mean I would think the next 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:58.080 logical step, and you know, when I finished the book, 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.279 I was like, okay, are already feel like Lee Daniels 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:08.480 is already speaking to her like that? Well, but then 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.680 I thought about it and it just hit me that 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:15.560 not not enough brew How was made on your precious 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:24.759 performance and precious yeah, and. 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:28.000 And recapping your videos for this episode. 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:37.240 And again also recapping your your your narration of the audiobook. Yeah, 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.680 I are you ever going to get on? Are you 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.440 properly going to get on the acting horse again? 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:50.759 Has Glitter made you gun shy or like so much after? 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:55.839 I know, But I'm just saying that is I feel 0:43:55.880 --> 0:44:01.200 like that's an area that you really really should explore 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.920 because you're your comic timing is one point with the 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.359 book and the shorts you did with Funny or Die, 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:13.960 We're also funny, like engaging. Do you want to explore 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.399 the acting world and immerse yourself in it for real 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.120 this go around? Or you just fine with like, Okay, 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.320 I tried it once and I'm fine. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.560 Well, here's the thing. So when I first met the Daniels, 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:33.120 it was post Glitter and he was actually and I 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:37.120 had done this movie called Wise Girls with Mira Cervina that, yeah, 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.279 an independent movie. Yeah, so that could have been a 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.560 great movie about great but it was supposed to have 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:48.920 been narrated by her character. A lot of the scenes 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.640 were kind of like added at the end. But it's 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.080 like the land of independent filmmaking. So my original goal 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.480 was always start. I always wanted to act, but my 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.759 original like if I had if I could create, like 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:05.320 here's my path, it was to start with independent projects, 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.880 to do things that were character driven, to work with 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.719 great directors, et cetera, et cetera. But that the whole 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:18.400 acting thing was completely a non starter for the corporate 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:23.760 morgue one person mainly, and so it wasn't even allowed 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:25.759 it And I talked about it in the book, So 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.840 this is no secret. I'm actually being more caged whatever 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.440 about it than I was in the book. But it 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:36.560 wasn't allowed. It just wasn't allowed. So my path of like, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.359 let me do these gritty independent projects was just it 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.040 wasn't even that. It wasn't encouraged. It was blocked. It 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.720 was not it was not allowed. So in developing Glitter, 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:54.280 what happened was they very much whitewashed it quite literally, 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.960 you know, the studio this, that, and then by the 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:03.200 end of it there was so much Oh, it just 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.600 all was so incestuous, and the label into trounta with 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:09.400 this and that and having what I left, you know, 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.120 that whole situation that it just became like there was 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.280 there was no script. It was all over the place 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:17.319 and it wasn't night. And then it came out on 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.080 you know, September eleventh, two thousand and one, so what 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:23.239 are you going to do? But then but then me yeah, 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.600 but then like you know, wise girls and Lee had 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.160 seen that and then he was like, I love your acting, 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.600 like you should. You should be encouraged. So we worked 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.000 on a couple other projects together, and then we did Precious, 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.799 which heat He called me the day before and was like, hey, 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.000 you want to do this. I had read Push by Sapphire, 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.200 which I don't know if you guys read that, but 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:47.440 I read it. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Ron had given it 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.320 to me We're on the Beach and the Musa and 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.319 read it twice. So when I knew that Lee was 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.640 doing the movie, I was like, Wow, did I think 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.520 there was a part for me in the movie? No? 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.919 Not really who knew his take on it? But I'm 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.799 so happy that I did because he's a big he's 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:04.799 a great director. He understood what it took to put 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.600 me in a role and have it be not quote 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.480 Mariah Carey. So we did that, and working with Monique 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.040 and Gabby was just like really being in it really 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:16.399 being in it, and I loved it. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.759 But yeah, can I ask you though, because now through 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.200 reading the book and knowing your life and the characters 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:24.960 that are come in out of your life and the 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.040 situations that you've been in and knowing that character im Precious, 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:33.280 which I just you blew me away like no bullshit? 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.000 Tell us between was it something personal that you were 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.880 drawing from and what was the direction from Lee to 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.640 you about that character. 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:49.600 Lee's direction is pretty much always this, do nothing, do nothing, nothing, 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.400 like like he no, I'm laughing when I say that, 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.120 because of course you gets more direction. But let's say, 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.920 after he gives you his direction, he's like, Okay, okay, 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.040 do nothing, do nothing, and I'm like, oh wow, how 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.160 do I do nothing? But I have to say on 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:08.640 that particular shoot, we really only did like three or 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.640 four takes of that, and it was so powerful because 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.600 so I had worked with a woman named Karen Giordonna, 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.920 who's a really close friend of mine and who is 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.920 an acting coach but also a director, and Lee was 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.319 working with her on Precious, mainly with the girls in 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:30.399 the scene at each one, teach one, and they were 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:35.000 it was all in prov He loves in pututization so 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.560 it you know, she was like, oh my gosh, this 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.840 is a this is an incredible thing energetically that's happening 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.840 with this movie. And she was so excited about it. 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:45.680 And then the last minute he called me, and me 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.200 and Karen just put together kind of like a backstory 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:52.120 for the character really quick. And Lee's main concern was, 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:54.640 you know, he had a prosthetic nose made for me, 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.120 which we didn't even end up using, but putting it 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.280 on and taking it off because my skin is so sensitive, 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.000 made it in a large Jimmy way. So that was 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.719 great and for him because I was concern he thought 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.560 he caught me putting on on making he was like, 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.319 what are they going. I'm like, oh, but you know, 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.480 everybody had their makeup and air and there's but his 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.360 main thing. And I loved it because a lot of 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.759 people when when the movie first came out, they didn't 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.759 even recognize me because there was an there was a 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.920 whole different look. So to answer the initial question, do 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.399 I want to do more of it? I don't know. 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.440 It would depend on the director, it would depend on 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.520 the role. Honestly, I don't want to do it just 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:32.960 for the sake of doing it. I want to do 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:35.719 it for the creative experience. But I do know that 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:40.880 like I am high maintenance, me as Mariah Carey, I'm 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:44.640 a freaking high maintenance. No, no, I am. And I've 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.560 always said it. I said it in some interview. I 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.560 think it was for the with the Guardian. I'm like, yeah, 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:50.399 I've always been high maintenance. I just didn't have people 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:51.840 to facilitate the maintenance. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:56.080 So even as an actress or high maintenance like Mariah 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:57.680 the singer, one thing, but when you go to set 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.439 and stuff, it's still the same. 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.160 Missis it out for that role? 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:07.720 Absolutely not, like and and we wouldn't have tolerated it. 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.880 Yeah, I just have to get it. If that's the 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.359 role and that's what we're doing, then that's what we're doing. 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.560 But if I want to do another project, I love 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.920 behind the scenes, I love executive producing, I love writing, 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.279 you know, I love all of that stuff. And yes, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.920 I want to act more and I want to do 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:29.080 things that are fun. Speaking of which, Emir, how is 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:35.960 your experience as currently this is I'm interviewing you right now. 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.560 That's why I'm I just want to know because I 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.759 loved that. I loved that moment of you being able 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.240 to be a part of a part of that without 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.719 you know, I just in my mind, like I would 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.680 love to do some animation. I would love to do 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.759 some more of that type of stuff. You know, this 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:54.400 is the Soul. 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.719 I haven't watched it yet, So yeah, how was your 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.279 experience times here? 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.640 Was a dream come true? Yes? It was historical. I 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:09.480 love it. This is not my interview. You're not getting off, okay, no, 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.319 but I really think yeah. 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:15.640 I mean, there's some people that have to ease into 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:21.480 acting and do a lot of prep work and you know, 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:22.759 get with their coaches. 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:22.879 And all that. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:30.920 But you you have a really natural, believable acting ability 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:32.720 that I think. 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:34.640 That you should explore more. 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:37.839 Like your your timing is great, which I think comes 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.759 from singing or whatever. But I think you should explore that. 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:45.719 So yeah, I really I really do want And by 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.880 the way, that's a very lot of cheap sense coming 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:52.759 from me because CHASEE level and everything that you know, 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:57.160 just knowledge wise, I'm just like, what I the mistake 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.040 I made with glitter, which maybe it wasn't a mistake, 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.160 it was probably supposed to have. In that way, you 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.920 have to have a huge fall for people to care 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:08.120 about you. Then I guess I don't know, Maybe it's 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.680 just me. That's just what they how they do to be. 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.960 But you know, after that experience, I realized you have 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.080 to work with somebody, a top tier person to bring 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.480 out the best in you. It's like anything. It's like 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.600 collaborating on a song, like you can lead the way 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.279 and you could be the one doing most of it, 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.200 but at least you know when you have someone where 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.920 it's scales are more balanced. I feel like that's that's 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:33.440 a different experience, you know what I mean. 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:36.880 I'm just putting out there. 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.640 Person I believe that he is. And we've been talking about, 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.759 you know, some ideas. It's just a big to put 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:48.040 this memoir and ad apt to adapt it into like 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.760 where we're talking about taking it. It's going to be interesting. 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:53.000 It's a series. 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:56.839 It's a it's a series, yeah all day. 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.120 I mean, just like the early years. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.040 Uh yeah, it is. 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.880 It can easily be an Amazon a part season like 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.840 a Yeah, that's that's it's a new brainer. 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.760 We've been talking about that and that's not necessarily Amazon. 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.319 But I'm saying that's the thing, Like and what to 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.080 the earlier discussion about why or writing the book or what. 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.600 I don't know. Don't think anybody said why, but just 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.080 to answer the thing about like how this whole thing happened, 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:31.600 I said, initially, I wanted to emancipate my little girl self, 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:35.359 like little Mariah. That was the goal because nobody knew her. 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.720 She was a famous I know I'm speaking about myself 0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:42.080 and the third person, but really I feel like, my yes, 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.160 it's like a different person because people she wasn't famous, 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.960 nobody she was. She's this poor little you know for 0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:50.840 what a lot of people thought of as like this 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:55.960 mongrel type of person, and so, you know, a sad 0:53:56.400 --> 0:54:00.000 kid but with a lot of hope and ambition and stuff. 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:05.360 But again, the film adaptation, whether it's the series or whatever, 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:09.359 has to be. It has to bring that girl to life, 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.799 do you know what I mean? It has to It's 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.520 not just this princess thing that you're seeing. There's a 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.280 lot of yeah that happened. 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:21.960 Hey, is there a person that you've long to work 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.560 with that you have not worked with yet? Or have 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:30.520 you checked off everything off on your your bucket list? 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:35.040 My bucket list? No, I don't really have a bucket list. 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.960 I mean, yeah, yeah, people on it. You're on it. 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:41.879 Many people are on. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.759 It, Like, I'm just not you're saying that to all 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:51.080 the curlies. But I mean in terms of I mean 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.920 because and I don't. I don't consider this, you know, 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:59.799 the the the victory lap of all I want to 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.640 is you as a I don't consider that a curtain 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.080 call or a swan song or anything. But like, is 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:11.520 there is there anything that you haven't done that you 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:12.080 wanted to do? 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.720 Wait a minute, Wait a minute. 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:24.359 I forgot. I forgot. I totally forgot. Dude, we have 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:25.160 to talk about it. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:27.480 Chick, thank you. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:28.799 I totally forgot too. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:33.800 I forgot. Okay, So you guys don't know. Damn, I 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:37.600 don't even know if I should revealed this much. Basically, in 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:43.200 the shortest way possible, Mariah pulled a Charlie x c S. 0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:46.520 I kind of popped moved. 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:48.920 It was prior to her. 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.120 Oh yeah, I know, I know, but I'm trying to 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:57.560 put in contemporary. She she basically made a a dummy 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:06.040 album or a project. Uh, Chris Gaines, if you will, ever, 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:12.200 you don't know that that that kond of pop is 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.000 Charlie xy X's secret. 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:17.479 I didn't know Arlie. 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:20.160 Damn. 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:24.000 We feel superid yesterday are Look, I work at the 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:24.680 tonight show. 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.359 I have to know who every gen Z person. Yes, 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.440 there's a song I did it, but but you're the 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:33.239 only one that I don't care. I love it. 0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:34.480 Yeah, I know that you know. 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:35.239 Right. 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:40.240 So basically, Charlie x X didn't want to ruin her credibility, 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.600 so she MILLI vanillied that song all these two model 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.560 girls named I kind of pop, but kind of backfire 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.959 because that song became super big pop. 0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:52.720 Right, even though Charlie x X is, even though. 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.040 She's a name her in her own right, she uses 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.360 the icon of pop thing as sort of an excuse 0:56:58.400 --> 0:56:59.399 to It was. 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:02.120 Like Prince and the Time, all right, but we knew 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.520 that Prince was we knew that Prince was the Time. 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:06.560 We knew that Prince was Chili, and we knew that 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:10.040 Prince was Charlie Sex things was totally That was. 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:20.600 Totally dumbans I apologize, Okay. 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:23.640 So let me rephrase the question. The question was that 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:29.120 the general public doesn't know that you've made the secret 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:36.480 album called Chick, in which you kind of let loose 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:44.120 and made a very convincing alternative rock record. What year 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:45.440 did you record Chick. 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.200 The same year that I was doing the Daydream album. 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:58.680 So ninety five, Yeah, always be My Baby and okay 0:57:58.720 --> 0:57:59.960 and all that. 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:01.480 Yeah, can I find it? 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:06.960 No, I wanted to get I didn't know how close 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.040 to the chest you were with it, so I didn't 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:10.920 share it with him. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.160 But can we one song? Can we play like a 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:16.200 part of a song? May? 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:17.480 I mean? 0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.600 But I just can I can? I give my own 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:21.720 little disclaimer about this? 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:23.480 I mean, yes, what you need to do, Okay when 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.160 the credits, Well, we'll play it at the end of 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:25.520 the show. 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:28.360 Okay, but don't we don't play the whole song. But 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:30.360 I just want to say what really was going Unless 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:31.680 you want to ask me about what was. 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.040 Your I do want to ask so okay, So to 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:37.600 set it up, you you made. 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:47.480 Kind of your version of Seattle grunge neilistic all rock record. 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:50.560 You know what what was on your mind? Like what 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:53.760 made this happen? It's it's one thing to do one song, 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.200 but you made a whole ass album out of it. 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:02.520 I was like observing the landscape at that time as 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:07.480 a twenty whatever year old music and having success in 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:11.760 a very kind of specific couple of genres and looking 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:15.720 at other people that seem to be able to just 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:19.800 be so as I me and my friend call it 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:23.680 so fucking care free, Like how are you so care 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:25.920 free that you can do whatever you want? You can 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:28.560 wear whatever you want? Now, I guess everybody can, but 0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:30.919 at the time, it was just like, oh I can. 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.640 They could just wear like a dirty slip and socks, 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:38.280 and you know what I mean, Like in that grunge moment, 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:40.840 I was jealous. I have to say. I was like, 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:43.440 and not that my image was perfect and now if 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.800 I could go back and unblow out my bangs, I 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.840 would definitely do that and have different styling and stuff 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:52.800 like that. But you know, so I was looking at 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:54.520 it and I was like, because I did grow up 0:59:54.560 --> 1:00:01.360 listening to like Blondie, and not lusively Blondie. I just mean, 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.560 if there were other genres, it would be like you know, 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:11.200 Pat Benaitar and Blondie and then whatever rock groups. And 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.200 then you know, I was a child of the radio, 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.280 so I listened to all different things rock music whatever, 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:21.640 you know, mainly obviously like R and B and soul 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:24.520 music and Gosmine whatever. But then there was also this 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:28.520 like heavy rock quotient that was around, like where I 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:33.720 was going up, so yeah, yes, but there was everything. 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:35.760 There was obviously there was hip hop, there was this, 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.400 there was you know, whatever it was. But there was 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:42.480 a very strong thread of that happening, right, So when 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.400 I saw the whole grunge thing going on, I was 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.880 looking at it like, oh my gosh. They just say 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:50.920 whatever they want. They say anything that they want, and 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.200 they get away with it. So I would be like 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:57.400 working on let's, for example, say like one Sweet Day, 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:01.320 like mixes or whatever, we're doing overdubs, and the band 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.120 would be there, like my band from the little touring 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.760 that I did. So I just one night was like 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.600 I was just singing stuff and making fun of, like 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:12.760 not making fun of, but just like doing my own 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:18.800 little impersonations as I do. And then I said to Gary, 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:22.800 who was my guitar player at the time, I was like, 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:28.240 can you just play? Because he's sitting there with his 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:30.600 guitar and he was doing overdubs on something totally different. 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.680 I'm like, can you just play it? Like whatever? So 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:35.320 we starts playing it and we just that's a song 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:37.640 called Joe. That's not the one I would love to 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:41.000 he I would love to hermit. But so then I 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:44.080 just started writing stuff down like anything I wanted to say, 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:47.400 finished it in like five minutes or ten minutes, and 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:51.280 it was relas. But then as the projects that like 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.680 every night when we would be working, and actually, like 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.320 the corporate people were on a trip to Italy at 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:59.800 that time, so they weren't there to stop the flow. 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:06.640 So wait, you allowed you allowed Sony Brass in your sessions. 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:11.240 I had to allow one Brass member who was like. 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:17.880 The breass, right, I forgot, I totally forgot. 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.400 Okay, never no nobody else he even he wouldn't allow 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:23.920 anybody else in there. But never, never during my vocals 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:27.000 was anybody loud. And then they still not, but I'm 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:29.720 saying like they would be if they were around, it 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:31.880 would be like a swift, let me pick you up 1:02:31.880 --> 1:02:35.400 at seven and we'll go to dinner at Lascala or wherever. 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.800 And then I had to be in that wifey world 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:41.400 of corporate people. So it took me from like a 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:46.120 complete creative head to here I am like I think 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:48.520 such and such. You know, we talk about it in 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:51.720 the chapter called Thanksgiving is Canceled. That's kind of one 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:53.919 of my favorite things. And then this year Thanksgiving really 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:57.560 was canceled, so it was ironic. But anyway, so I 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:01.200 ended up every night like recording something new and writing 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:03.840 something new, and it was just as a creative outlet. 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.160 But then I would then we actually mixed it and 1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:09.640 did it and recorded it, you know, recorded it, mixed it, 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:10.680 mastered it. 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:15.080 Would you do it in another room because I mean, 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:17.240 ninety five, I don't think it's that. I mean, now 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:19.040 I can tell Steve all right, put this other song 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:22.400 up a real quick and he can, you know, sort 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:26.400 of with technology and a snap do that. But ninety 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.280 five you're working with reels and that sort of thing. 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.440 So there are still pro tools. 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:34.240 At that time, so you would just make them erase 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.680 the board and then put up your reels that you 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:39.880 work on your Like, weren't they scared, like, well, what 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:43.160 if Tommy comes in here and sees what we're doing or. 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:46.360 No, because at a certain point I told him he 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:48.920 knew about it. But it wasn't like we were we 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.240 had separate reels like I've just found them that saying 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:55.720 the name Wow the group. So after we you know, 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:58.760 they the engineer just started rolling like you know, I mean, 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:00.640 at that time, it wasn't like we had to worry about, 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.400 oh my gosh, a new roll of tape, like you know, 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:05.960 we had. 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:09.280 To do and you know most that was printing money. 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:16.240 Yes, yes, and we want to do that again, but 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:18.760 it's impossible because with streaming, we know that the artist 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:22.920 makes less than you know, what percentage of a penny 1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:26.200 do the artists make? Basically one? Yeah? 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:29.760 Yeah, something crazy, yeah. 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:32.120 Very small. I failed a medio map, so I don't 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:34.360 know how to do that math. But I just know 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:36.520 if you did one hundred and thirty million streams in 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:39.440 a week, you should make at least a dollar off that. 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:45.000 And you know, this was a lab of love and 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:47.600 just this was just me being like, let me just 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:51.080 do this, write it down whatever. The musicians loved it 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.880 because it was totally it was a total departure from 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:55.840 what we were doing, and they got to be free, 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.000 they got to just we were all kind of in 1:04:58.000 --> 1:04:59.720 a in an act like it was an act. It 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:03.480 was a whatever you call it. It was what do 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:05.680 you call it? What did you call it? An all rock? 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:08.120 Alternative rock? 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:08.360 Uh? 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:10.840 What's the future of it? 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:11.240 Well? 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:14.680 Well, well, well red folks ever know, will it all 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:15.920 be like a red herring? 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:19.080 I feel like if you officially released it though the 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:22.200 magic ends like that's the thing, Princess the Black Album 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:26.120 was so legendary when it was like a secret. 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:27.480 One song, just a one song. 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:29.280 And then that she came out and it was like 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:32.040 it came out and there's like the magic's over here. 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:38.000 Yeah, I mean to your point about it being, what 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:39.880 did you say when you first brought it up, Oh, 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:42.560 doing one song versus doing an album. 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:44.040 Like you did a whole album. 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:47.120 And I also, did you see the artwork? I did 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:48.920 the artwork myself. 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:52.480 And yes, that's not nice, y'all. This is me. 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:57.040 I to my friend Clarissa, and I said, you know what, 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:00.360 because certain people were like, oh, you can't put this 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:03.480 out there. I also changed the lyrics so a lot 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.720 of it was a little bit more with the perfinity 1:06:05.760 --> 1:06:10.680 and stuff because no, but he made me change it 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:14.880 and put something. I know. But I have the wheels 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:18.560 at this point, so at some point I'm gonna put 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:20.680 out my own version. But I don't have the board mixes. 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.640 All I have like all the separate tracks, like ten 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:26.080 guitar tracks, and you know all of. 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:31.800 This, Mariah, do you know what record store day is? 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:33.680 Man? 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:34.640 Man? 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:39.080 Okay, clean the fuck up. I'm gonna tell you how 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:43.760 to do this sun So Record Store Day. It happens 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:49.600 in the second Saturday of April, and they made a 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:53.640 second one for Black Friday in November. 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:59.960 But what it is is sort of sound nerd audio there. 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.040 It's like us people. 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.120 I mean, this is the equivalent of like New Jordan's 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:09.680 coming out. So some people will sleep outside of what 1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:12.360 was formerly known as a Meva Records in la I 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:14.120 mean it moved to another location. 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:15.280 It didn't shut down. 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:19.400 But basically, Record Store Day is a day that pretty 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:23.680 much everyone lives for in April to buy like rare 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:28.000 you know, somebody Jack White will print joint yeah exclusive, 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:31.800 So Jack White will print up like five thousand copies 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:35.959 of some particular like song that you know, it's either 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:39.280 a forty five or maybe like a ten inch or whatever, 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:41.840 but they do it. They do it in small numbers, 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:47.280 so it's almost like art and usually you know, somebody 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:50.160 will wind up paying like a gazillion dollars on eBay 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:53.680 for it or something like that. I think you should 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:58.480 make I think you should make five thousand copies of 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:03.160 the record that you intended to make and just secretly 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:08.000 release it or record store day and just let the 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:09.080 legend of Chick. 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:10.560 Go out that way. 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:14.200 I agree, and you know what, I think it should 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:18.479 be that and also the artwork should be I should 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:23.519 do the original artwork. And so I freaking people don't 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:27.040 even know. I literally wrote, Okay, so it's a dead 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:31.280 roach that's the cover. Then it's a lipstick written chick 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:33.320 on top of it that I wrote in my handwriting. 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.400 The title is some ugly daughter. That's the title of 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:39.479 the album. And then the back of the album is 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:43.680 a crushed makeup thing, a makeup like eye shadows or 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:47.320 pink blue pastels. And then I just did, like with 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:49.880 a fork at the Hit Factory. I just like did 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:52.200 and then took a picture of it, and then wrote 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.840 all the wrote all the song titles on the back. 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:58.519 And then the CD itself, I did, like kiss it 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:00.479 like it's a whole thing, like the actual the physical 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:03.799 CD is amazing. And somebody gave me a copy. Somebody 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:05.800 gave me a copy because I didn't have one, like 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:08.040 you know, it was for laps. And then like I 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:09.960 did it, and then they ruined it by making it. 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:11.640 Not that they ruined it. I love Cloric, So she 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.400 did a great job singing on top of it, and 1:09:14.800 --> 1:09:16.360 we worked on a couple songs. I didn't send you 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.760 those two. I did the original album as intended. That's 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:22.400 what I sent to you, a milor. But anyway, so 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:25.880 it became like a thing where it wasn't allowed to 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:27.599 be meaning or what I was gonna do is back 1:09:27.640 --> 1:09:33.360 then release it, do a total different character visually, and 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:35.559 then hopefully have a hit with one of the songs, 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:37.880 and then reveal that it was me and be like huh. 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.320 Because at that time, it was very much like if 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.600 you were quote unquote popular on the pop charts, you 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:47.719 could not have critical acclaim. They just didn't give a chap. 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:50.479 They just didn't care. It was just like a da 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:53.439 da da, you know, we like this artsy person, we 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:57.240 like this edgy person, whatever, And so it was what 1:09:57.280 --> 1:09:59.800 it was. But at this point I do think Chick 1:09:59.880 --> 1:10:01.320 me us to have its own thing. And I actually 1:10:01.400 --> 1:10:04.439 been having conversations with someone I'm not going to name 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:07.479 about doing like another version of Chick some of those 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.800 songs and writing a couple of new ones. And I'm 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:13.880 asking you now if you will write those with me, 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:17.559 or at least like explore it. Because she's a young 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:22.759 sixteen year old girl who is very famous and she's 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:26.320 perfect for this, and We've already had conversations about it 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:28.960 and I'm planning on, like hopefully working on it. 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:31.960 It's coming out, yo, Billie. 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:34.320 No, we know that. 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:43.559 I'm like, yo, actually now I'm Riah. But why actually, 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:45.160 why you bullshit? 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:48.519 Actually? Why you bushit? 1:10:49.720 --> 1:11:00.000 I knew who you choose Mariah, but on the real yeah, right, talked. 1:10:59.760 --> 1:11:02.080 About she and I. She's an actress, but she wants 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:02.960 to sing as well. 1:11:03.240 --> 1:11:05.800 And you know it's a good look. It'll work with 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:09.320 her too. It'll work I'm talking about right, Yeah, I 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:10.519 know it'll work. 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:11.040 Okay. 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:13.080 I think you should. 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:16.160 I think you should definitely do that, Rio because out 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.599 of I mean you've been talking now for like three 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.680 out out of everything that you've talked about, this is 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:24.200 the most excited you sounded about anything. 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:28.080 M hmm. Well, because I can talk about my own 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:31.600 top stories all the live long day, but this is 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:36.280 something that and it's something that's fun. It's not you 1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:36.800 don't see that. 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:40.479 I'm not pinking and it sounds like you I mean, 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:42.960 it's just I'm just from you know, just sitting here 1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:46.519 having these conversations. You know this sounds like the thing 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:49.200 that most feels like it most represents you. You know 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:51.120 what I'm saying, Like it seems like true to who 1:11:51.160 --> 1:11:51.479 you are. 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:54.360 I mean, the music represents me, I'm not saying if 1:11:54.360 --> 1:11:57.680 it doesn't. It represents a silly side of me that 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:01.360 was at a time really needed an outlet. It was 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:04.680 a musical, but it was for laughs, which is how 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:07.680 I get through most things, is just making jokes and 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:10.080 getting through it. So it was like combining to kind 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:15.800 of to defense to not defense mechanisms, to escape mechanisms, 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:19.160 you know, to you know, it was music and it 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:22.120 was fun and it was me like just writing relapse. 1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:25.040 That's why I want to play that song Hermit, because 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:27.800 but the funny thing is even my daughter Monrose like 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.720 so she heard it. She heard the song Malibu, and 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:33.400 then she heard the rest of the songs and she 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:39.559 just started singing the one Hermit that goes um like 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:42.840 it's an accident. She heard it. She goes, she's nine, 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:46.000 She goes, Mommy, can you send me the Chicks album? 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:53.799 And I'm like, Yo, it sounds amazing. This record sounds amazing. 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:00.000 Okay, we are not. 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:05.400 Wait, Mariah, this long without happening music in the background 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:07.360 to be honest with you, because this is. 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:08.120 We're on zoom. 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.519 If this was the real format of the show, then 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:13.840 I would have the ability to add music. 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:13.760 But. 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:18.280 Zoom that would have been. 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:20.320 I know, I miss roll call. 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.680 Yeah, I know. I was like, Oh, I'm glad I 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:25.160 don't have to just put under that pressure. 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:29.680 I miss roll call. But wait, can I ask something though? 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:34.439 So basically, what was what what what I'm gathering is 1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:38.600 what was freeing for you and what elated you was 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:44.240 sort of the care freeness of creating music kind of 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:47.960 without a care and being honest and just putting it 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:48.759 all out there. 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:53.519 It was also I would have to get through without 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.840 laughing some of the time. That was part of it. 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:56.080 Yeah. 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:56.559 But humor. 1:13:57.040 --> 1:14:01.479 Here's the thing though, And even though I'm like clam 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:04.760 even though I'm clamoring in the mountains on the mountaintops 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:08.719 about your acting, it's really your sense of humor, which 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:11.679 I never knew you had, you know what I mean, 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:15.040 Like my fans. 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:18.240 Knew, no one to know. I can't expect people to know, 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:20.240 you know, Like it's just like you know. 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:21.479 Let me rephrase it. 1:14:21.520 --> 1:14:26.960 No, no, no, no, I'm not on the outside looking 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:30.000 in I've been to many of Mariah concert I've I've 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:32.280 I've know, I know you have a sense of humor, 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:37.280 but it's it's relaxed timing. But what what I feel 1:14:37.320 --> 1:14:42.040 that the white elephant question I want to ask is like, 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:47.280 would you ever try to create an album in that vein? 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:53.559 Not under the guys of like, well, I'm gonna do 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:57.240 music genre this totally the opposite of what I'm known for. 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:00.880 Would you not ever try to extra size that sort 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:07.200 of freedom and your actual Mariah career, not like. 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:08.959 Hey, guys, let's have some fun and do an alternative 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:11.040 rock record, or let's do a somber record, or let's 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.760 do an afrobeat record. 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:16.679 And I hear what you're saying, but I never said 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:20.360 to them, let's do an alternative rock album. I was 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.879 just in that era when all that stuff was huge, 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:26.840 and they happened to be very talented musicians in the 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:31.360 room who could easily pull that off. And actually sometimes 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:35.280 we deliberately did stuff not perfectly. 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:37.919 Yeah you had to play down. 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:41.280 But it was fun, Like it was just fun. So 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:44.120 to answer your question, I would love to do, honestly, 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:46.200 have another concept that I want to told to you 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:49.880 about that We also kind of touched on when I 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:51.720 would do whatever, like no, I don't want to ever, 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:53.920 I'm not I'm not inspired to do a somber record. 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:56.880 I'm not inspired to do like whatever. I mean, I 1:15:56.880 --> 1:16:00.320 would totally do something that's not my genre. Here was 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:04.240 the great thing about that moment. It was just free. 1:16:04.400 --> 1:16:06.760 It was just free. And I know people experience that 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:11.599 without having an alternative ego or whatever, like most people 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:14.720 experience that. I'm sure when you're making music most of 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:17.720 the time, it's out of joy, like I don't know, 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:21.960 I can't be here by anything. But it's not constantly 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:26.000 nitpicking yourself or putting yourself like oh I hate that, 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:28.720 let me do it again. Like that's that's how I am. 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:30.240 But is it easy? 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.919 Is it easy for you to create and craft songs 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:39.080 without having to also be your judge and jury and executioner, 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:42.160 like you know, to the point where, Okay, I have 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:44.599 to make sure that this is notes correct, Like I'm 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:48.880 a guy that loves I love mistakes. I love imperfection. 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:54.759 You know, I love wrong notes, I love bending notes. 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:56.280 I love you know. 1:16:57.120 --> 1:17:01.120 I love imperfection so much, Like but could you do 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:02.040 you think you could ever? 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:09.360 Like let your allow, yeah. 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:11.360 And put it out or just do it for labs now, 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:14.400 put it out as not as like a side silly project, 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:15.719 put it out as Mariah Carey. 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:18.760 It depends on what it was. I would have to 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:22.559 be in the room and feel what we're doing, Like 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:27.080 what's the inspiration, what are we doing, Like where are 1:17:27.080 --> 1:17:30.040 we coming from? Like, yeah, we could. I would all day, 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:33.559 experiment all day. I'm not going to commit to prior 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.439 to Oh yeah, this is definitely coming out. I would 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:40.559 have to live with it, you know, Okay, what's your 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:41.599 thought and mirror? 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:43.080 Well, this is the thing. 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.880 I'm glad we finally did this interview so we can 1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.160 have normal conversations because you and I have been cat 1:17:49.160 --> 1:17:53.879 and mousing for so long because I wanted our initial 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:55.559 conversation to be this podcast. 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.840 I get not nerd out on you in real life. 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:01.679 So y'all have been talking this whole time. 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:06.200 Yeah, but I mean, like I've I've been purposely holding 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:10.519 back because usually when I start friendships, it's it. It 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:13.720 starts in the guise of journalists, and that makes people uncomfortable. 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:16.960 Like hey, by the way, when you did at the 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:20.880 court and like I wanted to get that out the 1:18:20.920 --> 1:18:21.599 way here. 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:23.360 What brought y'all too together? Anyway? 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:27.840 The book really the book, the book that's right. 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:31.080 Doesn't hitting you up about the food the ritz. 1:18:30.960 --> 1:18:36.800 Crackers, Yeah, exactly. The book strung me in so yeah, 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:38.080 now a friendship. 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:41.120 Inform that's dope. No, it really means so much to 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:46.120 me because you know, you are an incredible writer and 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:51.439 your level of knowledge is just you know, as we 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:56.840 all know, nobody's truid. But then the whole thing with 1:18:56.880 --> 1:19:00.680 the food and the book, it's a thing. 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:04.720 How turn out it was. 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:07.080 One of the best years. I gotta say it was 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:07.760 one of. 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:09.720 These Christmas is I gotta try this linguini. 1:19:09.880 --> 1:19:13.000 It's like daddy's linguini, your dad's clam sauce. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.000 She only she only does it for Christmas. 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:16.600 That's the part I texted Mirror about. I was like, 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:18.360 I want some of that, Yeah. 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:22.519 Exactly, tell you it's really good. And I didn't even 1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:26.360 know the secret ingredient with the onions because for years 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:28.840 I was like, why can't I find any restaurant that 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:33.559 makes my dad like mix better than my dad's linguini 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:36.759 with white clemsas like these Italian restaurants, even in Italy, 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:38.400 they don't do it as well. I was like, what 1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:42.040 is it that you know a black man from Harlem? 1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:45.040 Me just said it, you just said it. 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:49.200 There it is. But but but they didn't tell like 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:51.400 he didn't. I never had the recipe. And then like 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:55.639 the year before he died, he gave me the actual 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:59.800 recipe and looted it down. And then yeah, and then 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.000 who's the best gift he ever gave me? And then 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.320 I realized what I was doing wrong. I never knew. 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:06.240 I never saw him onions in it as a kid. 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:10.840 But they liquefying the PM. That's the secret. So every 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:13.920 year now I just do it, and it's this Christmas Eve, 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:16.439 it's every Christmas Eve. I just decided I'm not doing 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:19.120 Christmas dinner with the traditional nonsense. It was a mess 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:21.280 this year. No offensive this year or whatever. But the 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:23.680 turkey was dry, and everything you. 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:28.719 Cooked last Christmas you cooked last Christmas. 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:33.320 We're in January now, so yes, yes, I cooked my 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:37.599 dad's recipe for Lincoln or I clamsaus Eve and then 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:40.720 then I did Christmas dinner. But I supervised it, but 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:43.680 not well enough. See, it's a constant thing. You have 1:20:43.800 --> 1:20:46.599 to micro manage everything, and I'm so tired of it. 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:50.439 Anybody listening to this podcast, please me if you're not 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:53.320 a psycho and you just want a job as like 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:56.960 a facilitator, you feel that you really want to be 1:20:57.240 --> 1:20:59.760 out on a level where we're going to get to 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:03.200 a very very different levels starting this year. 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:05.920 You're talking about food. 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:12.880 No, no, I'm talking about administrative assistant. I'm talking about 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:14.839 executive and hiring. 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:15.320 And you're not. 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:16.160 You do not want. 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.880 We can't even organize this freaking podcast. 1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:28.800 Think this this came off without Ariot No. 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:32.360 I appreciate you. You you truly let your guard down. 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:35.559 I don't think you've ever given a three hour interview before. 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:39.000 I haven't, so I feel honored and I feel the 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:41.320 love that you trusted me so much to do this 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:44.439 for me. Even when you agreed, I was like, oh man, 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:46.960 this might be like Michelle Obama, like twenty five minutes. 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:52.920 Oh my god, No, hanging out with you guys and 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:56.639 having you splash and stuff, and thank you for having 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:58.439 me and and everything else. 1:21:59.080 --> 1:21:59.479 Mariah. 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:01.240 We think he's so much for doing this for us. 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:04.679 Thank you so much, and thank you for the music. 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:10.919 Thank you so much for caring. So yeah, here, guys, 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.879 don't forget I'm hiring. 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:19.160 Oh my god, I'm going to take that off the podcast, 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:24.040 Jesus Christ. 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:25.120 For three hours. 1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:28.920 You need to make sure you get me somebody for real. Snybody. 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:30.680 I got you, I got you. 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.040 Help you can help you with that. 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:33.960 I got you. I'm I'm an expert in this area. 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:34.679 I got a right. 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:37.839 Thank you for sharing the truth. It was a beautiful story. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:39.840 I mean, I know a lot of it was hard, 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.040 but thank you for sharing it was really brave. 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:46.439 We appreciate it, all right on behalf of a sugar 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:48.599 Steve Fan, Tikeolo and unpaid bill. 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:51.760 You missed one paid bill your fault, bro. 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:57.840 Love you, guys, thank you, We love you all right. 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.679 Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I know we made a promise. 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:12.640 This is a hermit from the Lost Mariah Carey Chick Project, 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:14.360 which is actually. 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:16.320 Kind of dope. Dick it. I hope you do too, 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:17.920 all right, see. 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:56.840 Y'all, Yo, So present the welcome busters go. 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:17.040 Yo, what's up? 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