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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What's Up Everybody?

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Speaker 3: This is Sugar Stea from Quest Love Supreme as we

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Speaker 3: celebrate the holiday season.

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Speaker 2: This felt like a.

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Speaker 3: Worthy two part classic to revisit. Here is Mariah Carry.

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Speaker 3: We recorded this in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of the night, but it was worth it.

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Speaker 3: Mariah was promoting her book and she was an open

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Speaker 3: book to us. This is a really free and fun

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Speaker 3: conversation with one of the biggest superstars of Men. Part

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Speaker 3: two originally aired on Friday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy everybody and happy holidays and a healthy New Year

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Speaker 3: from Team Supreme and everybody at Questlove Supreme.

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Speaker 4: In terms of editing, how does one Because you definitely

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Speaker 4: walked a mighty tight groupe as far as like telling

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Speaker 4: your side of the story and your experiences. But when

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Speaker 4: you're writing your memoir, how do you know what stories

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Speaker 4: to tell and what stories to leave out? Because you

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Speaker 4: said that you know oftentimes you're not alone, so oftentimes

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Speaker 4: your stories have happened to happen with people that are

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Speaker 4: with you. So how do you know like what to

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Speaker 4: share and like what's TMI and what's okay? This part

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Speaker 4: of the story is cool to tell. I feel safe

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Speaker 4: telling the story. I guess what I'm asking is, how

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Speaker 4: did you know how much to share about Sony prison?

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Speaker 4: How did you know how much to reveal about your

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Speaker 4: Matola period without fear of further repercussion or litigious action

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Speaker 4: or any of those things.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, in America they can anybody can be religious,

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Speaker 5: and I've noticed that great to that. By the way,

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Speaker 5: if anyone should be litigious, it's me to get a

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Speaker 5: certain amount of years back of my life that were

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Speaker 5: spent basically, you know, under somebody's control. But seriously, honestly,

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Speaker 5: I there were certain stories we didn't even delve into

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Speaker 5: until like kind of the end of the process, like

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Speaker 5: the story at the kitchen table with the butter knife

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Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But these are things that actually happened,

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Speaker 5: and whether somebody else and that you got to look

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Speaker 5: it up to know what I'm talking about, somebody else,

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Speaker 5: you know, felt that that was TMI. I don't care,

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Speaker 5: like that was part of my story. That was a

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Speaker 5: catalyst to get me the hell out of that situation

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Speaker 5: where you sometimes you know a lot of women, whoever

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Speaker 5: it is, I don't want to say it's specifically women,

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Speaker 5: but we tend to tolerate domestic abuse in whatever form

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Speaker 5: that may take longer than sho be taking it. And

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Speaker 5: that's what I did, because emotional abuse is I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying it's worse than physical abuse, but it's it's a

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Speaker 5: form of abuse.

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Speaker 6: It's probably even more damaging. You know, stays with you, Yes,

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Speaker 6: it stays. Yeah, that's gonna ask you, you know, being

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Speaker 6: at that period of your life, what do you think,

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Speaker 6: uh led you into a romantic relationship with you know,

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Speaker 6: the head of your label and you know how like,

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Speaker 6: how did it even get to that point?

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Speaker 5: Again? I would hope that people will read about this

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Speaker 5: because I think when you read about it and you

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Speaker 5: understand what my childhood was like, you understand what my

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Speaker 5: early adult very early we're not even adults they teams

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Speaker 5: about as a struggling singer and songwriter with everything in

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Speaker 5: my head going towards a goal, going towards a goal.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to be like my family members that

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Speaker 5: I've seen go down the path of drug drug abuse

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Speaker 5: and prostitution and all the things that happened right where

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Speaker 5: a mass appeal audience doesn't even understand what that is.

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Speaker 5: And if it's ever been you know, used, used, or

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Speaker 5: always been like for shame, look at it. Like it's

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Speaker 2: She came from. Yeah, look at what she escaped. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's never viewed as a success story.

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Speaker 5: No, but it's also like and I'm trying, and people

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Speaker 5: think I was trying to like look what I came from.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm just saying, I'm not saying that's exclusively a

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Speaker 2: Not an adult temporary experience.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's not. It's not anything other than a really,

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Speaker 5: multiple times. So when you ask what led to that situation,

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Speaker 5: So anyway, in dealing with that relationship and how it evolved,

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Speaker 5: But let's face it wasn't that, and it certainly didn't

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Speaker 5: And freaking out and ruining everything and taking it Like,

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Speaker 5: as much as those years were amazing with the successes

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Speaker 4: Wait, I don't I don't want to spoiler alert, And

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Speaker 4: again Mariah is correct. I think probably the best way to,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I recommend that people get this book

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Speaker 4: and taking the information so they can learn like I did.

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Speaker 4: But there's there's one incident I kind of want to

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Speaker 4: alert it, but I will call it the French fry incident.

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Speaker 2: Keep okay, I won't say it's the friend I haven't

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Speaker 2: got it. She's basically at the height of well, what

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Speaker 6: What is truly the height of Mariah Idis in a

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Speaker 6: three years story career, I will say that, yes, she's

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Speaker 6: way beyond household name here, and just for her to

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Speaker 6: have a simple pleasure like French fries winds up turning

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Speaker 6: into a near h Will Smith Enemy of the State

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Speaker 6: situation with escaping security people and da da da da

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Speaker 4: One time I got to ask will Smith this question,

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Speaker 4: and I asked him, like, what is it when you're

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Speaker 4: in this house alone? How many people here just for

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Speaker 4: you to feel comfortable to be alone, like walk downstairs

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Speaker 4: in your underwear? And he was like, like seventeen people.

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Speaker 5: Jesus, yeah, but he needed seventeen people.

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Speaker 4: No, no, Well, because I've never seen an a state

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Speaker 4: that big. I mean, it's like two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: of you know, it's a full staff at at his living.

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Speaker 2: Quarters and so it's the middle of yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the thing is is like I'm like, well, okay,

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Speaker 4: all these people, your staff is in the house, Like

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Speaker 4: you can't just be yourself and walk down in your underwear.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, what's the number of minimum people

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Speaker 2: And he said seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Normally there's about forty plus people on his property, security

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Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So I mean during that, during

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Speaker 4: the height of what I call between Mariah Carrey and glitter, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what was I mean, how often even your home, what

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Speaker 4: was it still always with security no matter where you

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we're speaking specifically about what I'll call sing

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Speaker 6: That, he refers to her, Yes, we got the house, yes.

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Speaker 5: Because because when you when you say up until glitter,

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Speaker 5: that's a whole nother thing, like because I left at

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Speaker 5: Butterfly before but during the rightly.

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Speaker 5: But it was that was a whole other thing. So

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Speaker 5: when you read the book, you'll see, Okay, that was

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Speaker 5: it up into the couple of years that I lived

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Speaker 5: in that huge mansion which you can google it. There's

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Speaker 5: really no We never took any pictures like you know today,

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Speaker 5: everybody would take pictures of their house. Everybody would make

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Speaker 5: a huge to deal out of it. It's a thirty

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Speaker 5: half of pay for half of everything, down to the electric,

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Speaker 5: Saying, but that was me being like, oh, I don't

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Speaker 5: want to be looking my home and I don't want

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Speaker 5: to be kicked out of my own house. And little

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Speaker 5: did I know when he said here's a fabulous piece

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Speaker 5: of property, let's make this a house, I was like, Okay, great,

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Speaker 5: I just got a million dollars for publishing advance or

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Speaker 5: whatever it was. So I'm thinking, I don't know how

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Speaker 5: pay for half of this because I wanted to be mine.

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Speaker 5: I never want to be kicked out of my house.

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Speaker 5: And when I said I was going to get married,

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Speaker 5: I believe in that. I was like, oh, I guess

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Speaker 5: this is for the rest of my life. Like I'm

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Speaker 5: not just I wasn't like, let's just let's see it,

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Speaker 5: then we'll get out of it. Whenever.

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Speaker 4: No, you need agency to make it a real relationship,

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Speaker 4: like you need agency, your.

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Speaker 5: Own yes, your own pensive self worth and everything else

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Speaker 5: that I had worked that hard for to that point.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, at that point there was always security. There

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Speaker 5: was I would say they were probably about I mean,

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Speaker 5: look when people were coming to the house, like the

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Speaker 5: French five incident that you're talking about, the jail break

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Speaker 5: incident as we call it, Brat and Jakie and all that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, there were ten security armed security guards.

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Speaker 5: There were you know, there were housekeepers, management, like all

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Speaker 5: those people were there. Did I ever feel like I

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Speaker 5: used to creep down the stairs sometimes and have like

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Speaker 5: a semi private moment until I would hear the baby

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Speaker 5: on the intercom what are you doing? And that would

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Speaker 5: break me out? How the time in every room?

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Speaker 7: The anacom was in every room, because that's a big house.

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Speaker 5: and total haze with those guys. But I love working

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00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 5: with them, and they you know, they could hear that

435
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 5: there was they had inspired the whole thing. So it was.

436
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: It was. It's still one of my favorites, and I

437
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 5: appreciate you.

438
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

439
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 6: Speak speaking of which, by the way, from oh yeah yeah,

440
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 6: speaking of which, uh, I listened to that Busy Boone

441
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 6: interview like once a month man a big business man listen, Yeah,

442
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 6: that that nigga business bone because business Michael and he

443
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 6: a wild boy.

444
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: Or two things. I have to listen to six times

445
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: a year just to make it through life.

446
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 6: Maura, did you ever watch BT and cut uh? Way

447
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 6: back when Yeah, Busy Boy had a song called uh huh,

448
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 6: ain't like money my zip bags.

449
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing like money in a zip like bag. It's

450
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: it's a classic.

451
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, So uh ma Riah, I have a question, uh

452
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 6: with Honey. I always wanted to know this, Okay, So

453
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 6: at the time when Honey was first being conceived, I

454
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 6: was hanging with.

455
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: Tip a lot and he was mad amped. Yo.

456
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 4: I got to sing from Mariah It's going to be better.

457
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: That is incredible, and then you know, cut to four

458
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: months later, it kind of went through the bad boy filter, right,

459
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: And I always wanted to know, like, what was the

460
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: conversation that transpired that turned it from the original demo

461
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: that I heard, or at least the idea that he

462
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: presented to you. I mean, obviously the question is, of course,

463
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: you know by ninety seven, anything did he did was

464
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 4: instant magic. So it's like, duh, of course I'm gonna

465
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: you know, go this route. I get it, But yeah,

466
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: how did that transpire? Like as far as the changing

467
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 4: of it, because the day came out, I called him

468
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: and you know, me again. I'm a patch fiend.

469
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, do these are your drum patches?

470
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, man.

471
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: I get And this is a term that Tip always uses.

472
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 4: He's like, I gave her nigga drums man and nah man,

473
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: they used different drum patches.

474
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: So how did it? Uh?

475
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: How did it come from what I heard in the

476
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: demo to what we now know?

477
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 5: You know that era, specifically with that song Honey was

478
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 5: so much going on in my life. Don't forget that

479
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 5: was like that was the first emancipation of Mimi before

480
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: the actual one happened.

481
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: Later, even before Fantasy. I thought Fantasy was sort of

482
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: the flag planning.

483
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: Of that was me.

484
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 5: I snuck that in. They didn't really know who ODB was.

485
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: Had they seen his album cover and knew that he

486
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: made songs about gonorrhea, I don't think that would have happened.

487
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean, two years into the Wu Tang clan, like

488
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: no brasset Sony was like she wanted to do or

489
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: some rapper you know or whatever.

490
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 5: They didn't even know. When I wanted to work with

491
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 5: jay Z, they didn't know who he was. Like, they

492
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: just connected culturally and they thought I was on some

493
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: kind of trying to be cool tangent music.

494
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: Right.

495
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: Really, it really was that it was an operation gap,

496
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: and it was a cultural gap, and it was just

497
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: them feeling more comfortable with me going a different route.

498
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 5: You know, they wanted to keep it ac they didn't understand,

499
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: but I didn't care. So but when we go back

500
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 5: to that Honey, specifically that record, Yeah, q Tash as

501
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: I call them, que Tash had come up with that

502
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: body rock sample. I guess that's what rock treacherous three,

503
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 5: and I loved it, and I wrote the song to

504
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 5: that loop. But then when I guess somehow, I don't

505
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: really honestly, I think I've blocked this part out. So

506
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 5: I don't want to say it in an accurate way.

507
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: But I know that at the time, Poppy and I

508
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 5: had done the other record together, Fantasy, and we were

509
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: working on stuff. But you know, there's a certain kind

510
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: of energetically if somebody's like, well.

511
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: Let me disclose it, it's it was the smarter move

512
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: because it was.

513
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: It was the smartest move to do.

514
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: I wanted to incorporate the right as that. Yeah, I

515
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 5: wanted to. I wanted to incorporate that, and we had

516
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: the regular you know, the straight up loop from the

517
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: Treachers three, and then I wanted to put that part

518
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 5: the hey DJ part and for my own reasons, which

519
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 5: I talk about in the main of man carry the

520
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: memoir when the same meaning and mark the same time,

521
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: but mess that up anyway.

522
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: You're so funny.

523
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: You did that on purpose? Yes, damn savage, nice one

524
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: thing it was. Now read the book, ladies and gentlemen.

525
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 7: Wait, am I wrong in.

526
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: Trust me?

527
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 5: No?

528
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 9: No, no, no, I ask one more Honey question, because

529
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 9: and I'm wondering. I'm sure you get into it in

530
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 9: the book. But earlier on in the book where I'm

531
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 9: already at I had discovered your this dislike for the dance,

532
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 9: but you just mentioned that, you know, this is also

533
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 9: a stage in your life with Honey where you felt free.

534
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 9: So I was like, okay, So the freedom to do

535
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 9: the choreography and stuff in the video was that, like

536
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 9: that free feeling and just saying bucket, like let's just

537
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 9: go all out.

538
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 5: You know, I talk about my father's mother traumatizing me

539
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: about dancing roy that baby, girls, it's like it's a

540
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: whole thing.

541
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 7: Yes, you know it's in the books. I said that part.

542
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 9: But but you're dancing and Honey, So I was like,

543
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 9: did you get you got it back?

544
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 5: Like, it didn't turn me into Janet Jackson. It's just

545
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: one little moment and it was cute, you know. I

546
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 5: actually I really loved that video and that that was

547
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: the only time I ever had fun making a video

548
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: back then. That's the first time I ever was free

549
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: to make a video and kind of like express myself

550
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: and I worked with Paul Hunter and Heartbreaker. No, the

551
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 5: Heartbreaker is later.

552
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: In terms of fun, like.

553
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: The first time I had fun that was the Honey video.

554
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 6: Okay, I was about to say I thought Heartbreaker was

555
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: actually like wow, okay, that's.

556
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, no, no, but that but Honey was the

557
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: first time there was no ever present other person on

558
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: set telling me don't do that, or telling the director

559
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 5: not to film me in a certain way.

560
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

561
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: It was the actual first time, first taste of freedom

562
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 5: that I had, even like back in the days with

563
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: the I Don't Want to Cry video, there was a

564
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 5: male model in the video and that got squashed real

565
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 5: it was problematic. I had a whole lecture about, yeah.

566
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: How awkward was it to take control of the rings

567
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: and decide for yourself?

568
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: What you wanted.

569
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 6: At that period, least at the at that period of

570
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 6: your career.

571
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: Like during honey or you know, that's the whole. So

572
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 5: it all stemmed from being able to extract myself from

573
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: that controlling situation, which was not easy because as you know,

574
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but like if you

575
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: get into something as a kid and you allow that

576
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: pattern to continue, it's very difficult to break free from

577
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: that because other people just expect you to go along

578
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: with it. They expect you to go along with it.

579
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: They're used to you being compliant and you just deal

580
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: with it. So especially when you're dealing with someone at

581
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 5: that level, which now there really isn't anyone that powerful

582
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: to me, like because the way the artists were ConTroll

583
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: a lot. Everybody except me.

584
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: You are that power.

585
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 5: Now, well, we artists can be that powerful at this point,

586
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: you know, especially if people say that. But back then,

587
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 5: everybody was scared of that corporate as I call the

588
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: corporate morgue led by specifically one person who was uber powerful.

589
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: They were all scared to death, including me. So when

590
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: I started, when I got to the point that I

591
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 5: could no longer take it, is when I decided Okay,

592
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: I have to break free, and I got to figure

593
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: out how to do it. So if you listen to

594
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: the Butterfly album and the lyrics on that album, specifically Butterfly,

595
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: that was what I hoped somebody would say to me,

596
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 5: like wild horses tiled or their spirit diales. You know,

597
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: I wanted them to you know, I wanted them to

598
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 5: say that, like you know, and I truly feel your

599
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: heart will lead you back to me when you're ready

600
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: to land. I wanted to hear that, but I didn't

601
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: hear that, so I wrote it to my I wrote

602
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: it to someone else as a lyric for that song

603
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 5: and for that time, and it was very much what

604
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: I just I had to gain the strength. Like if

605
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: you listen to Pedals from the Rainbow album, that's about

606
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: like all the people that were screwed up in my life.

607
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: And this is not me blaming everybody else. I'm sure

608
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 5: I was a part of it too. I allowed it

609
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 5: to happen, but to break free not only from a

610
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 5: personal relationship, but from a massive corporate structure where you

611
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: are have been the number one artist on that label

612
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: and you also started out as a child really and

613
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 5: also your whole personal life is surrounded by people that

614
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: are slaved to that system. It's really not easy to

615
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: break free. And then the subsequent years when I wasn't

616
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 5: allowed to be free, even when I was on another

617
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 5: label or even when I was trying to do my

618
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: own thing, there was a concerted effort to kind of

619
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 5: squash that or squash that, or ever the proper terminology is.

620
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 5: So there was until the emancipation of Mimi. There when

621
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 5: I got with a new group of people. Fortunately, you know,

622
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 5: after all the stuff that happened, there was no there

623
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: was no freedom, There was nothing. There was a constant fight.

624
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: Whether I was inside the structure or having gotten out

625
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 5: a structure, there was a constant fight, a constant battle,

626
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 5: and it just made me sort of implode it and

627
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 5: it really really screwed me up. But what can you do? Here?

628
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: I am and it's great, Hallelujah, thank God. And you know,

629
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to dwell that stuff. But I talked

630
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: about it in the book because I wanted to Actually,

631
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 5: when people years from now tell my story, hopefully that happens,

632
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 5: they're going to have to use that book as a template,

633
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: like this is actual story. And I look at a

634
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 5: lot of people that I admired who didn't get a

635
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 5: chance to do that. They didn't. They may have told

636
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: their stories through their music, and people may interpret their stories,

637
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 5: and I know some people I'm here like to have

638
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 5: everybody else's input and their perspective. But what I wanted

639
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: was to tell my actual story, which doesn't begin with

640
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 5: Roni Carrey put out Vision of Love in nineteen ninety. No,

641
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: it doesn't begin with that I'm coloring in the wrong

642
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: crayon with a brown crayon for my father, so they

643
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 5: all freak out of me. It begins with like I

644
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: don't understand my hair, because you know, it begins with

645
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 5: all these identity issues, these issues are race, these struggles,

646
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: and then it goes you know, it goes to the

647
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 5: issues of control and people you know, always wanted to

648
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: have go. And even though that's not my song, but

649
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, there's a thing where this is a

650
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: constant theme. And it's also like just being a woman

651
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: in a male dominated industry and then a woman of

652
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: color with all this ambiguity and people deciding how they're

653
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 5: going to market me and all of that shit.

654
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 6: So what were some of the things you mentioned earlier

655
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 6: that you know, you would hear things that they you know,

656
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 6: that people would say that you know, you know, you

657
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 6: wouldn't be privy to.

658
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: If like if you had darker skin or whatever.

659
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 6: So like, what was some of the stuff And you

660
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 6: don't have to attribute it to anyone, but just like,

661
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 6: what's some of the stuff you would hear like white

662
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 6: people say around you that you know what I'm saying

663
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 6: that you knew they wouldn't right fether about your music

664
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 6: or whatever.

665
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

666
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: I'm going the whole the way back to childhood. I'm

667
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: going to, yeah, going to kindergarten. I'm going to, like

668
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: I said, coloring with the brown crayon and having the

669
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 5: entire the teachers come over and go, ha, why did

670
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: you use that crayon? Like I used a green crayon,

671
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 5: but because they just didn't know so and having the

672
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 5: entire class there at me. Basically I was humiliated. And

673
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: that's the first time I realized I was different from

674
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: anybody else because they had only seen my white mother

675
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: coming and going, you know, with my parents also were divorced.

676
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: I'm quite sure if I had had a different I

677
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 5: would have had a different experience with a family that

678
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: was married, if they were going to be a mixed family,

679
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 5: they started out in Brooklyn Heights, if they had just

680
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: stayed married, stayed in Brooklyn Heights, like where diversity is more.

681
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: They're used to diversity a bit more than like feeling like, oh,

682
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 5: let me you know both of them. I feel like

683
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: both my parents, mainly my father was like, I want

684
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: my kids to have a better life. So he thought moving,

685
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: you know, like he thought doing Yeah, that was he

686
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 5: thought that was going to make it better. But really

687
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: it made it worse.

688
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: And I.

689
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 5: Talk about, like I don't know my ex siblings experiences.

690
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 5: I know what I've heard. I'm sure it was horrible

691
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: for them, and I feel bad for them, but they

692
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 5: thought it was easier for me, and in actuality it

693
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 5: was probably I won't say it's worse a better, because

694
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 5: I can't speak for anybody's experience but my own, but

695
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: I know that. Yeah, So I tried to deal with

696
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: that selflessly in the book, you know, I tried to

697
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 5: give that sort of like, you know, look, they put

698
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 5: me through hell, and in my opinion, I'm not going

699
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: to say who's water, who did what, But the point

700
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: is I heard a lot of stuff like I have

701
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: this song called close my Eyes, which is one of

702
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 5: my fans' favorite and it's from one of my favorites

703
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: from a Butterfly album, and it goes I was a

704
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: wayward child with the weight of the world that I

705
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 5: held deep inside. Life was a winding road and I

706
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: learned many things little ones shouldn't know. But I closed

707
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: my eyes, steady, my feet in the ground, raised my

708
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: head to the sky, and the time rolled by. So

709
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 5: I feel like that child as I look at the moon.

710
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 5: Maybe I grew up a little too soon, meaning I

711
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: was in this fucked up place and I had to

712
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 5: grow up on my own and figure it out by myself,

713
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: you know.

714
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 7: So here I am.

715
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 5: There is no woe is me. This is just my story.

716
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: It's unique to me and other people that have had

717
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 5: simpler experiences, like yes, we'll understand it, or hopefully it

718
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: will empower other people to feel like they're important enough,

719
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: they're worthy enough to exist, because I actually didn't feel worthy.

720
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 5: But I did have, thank God, a spark of hope

721
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: to know that one day I would get out of

722
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: the situation I was born into.

723
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 6: I would say to ask you, all right, do you

724
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 6: think that in your marriage to Tommy and what you

725
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 6: referred to as the kind of sony prison years. Do

726
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 6: you think that played a role in you marrying Nick

727
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 6: and choosing someone that was, at least on paper, like

728
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: very different you know what I'm saying.

729
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 5: Very different from the first marriage.

730
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: From the first marriage, I mean yeah, on paper. I

731
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 6: mean I don't know what was what the marriage was like,

732
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: but on paper it appeared that way.

733
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look the power dynamic in the first Like,

734
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: I laugh at it now because I would have two

735
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 5: marriages whatever. I'm like, what do you mean my first

736
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: box husband?

737
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: It's all good.

738
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 6: I'm on my second time around too, don't need trip,

739
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 6: it's all good.

740
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 7: Keep I would just like to be invited. Sorry, go ahead.

741
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: No, honestly, that was it was fun. It was bad fun,

742
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 5: but it was just things. No, it was great. Nick

743
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: and I had fun and it was like, let's just

744
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: be kids and have a good time and whatever. And

745
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 5: the bottom line is we co parent now and we

746
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: have two kids that I love that make my life

747
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: a better thing, that that gave me conditional love, I hope.

748
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: And so it's a totally different experience. It's a completely

749
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: different experience. But yes, I don't think I would have

750
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: ever done. How could I do? There could never be

751
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: situation where I would be that vulnerable to being fully

752
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 5: under somebody else's control like that.

753
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 9: Ever, again, that's good. Everybody don't learn their lessons. Everybody

754
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 9: don't learn their lessons, so that's good.

755
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: It's honestly impossible. How can you be You can't recreate like, Okay,

756
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: there's gonna be this mobile oh yeah, right, kid that

757
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 5: has nothing, that has a dollar a week a day,

758
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: and then they're going to help, you know, give you

759
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 5: your record deal, but you're actually going to write all

760
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: these songs, produce them, do this and that and then

761
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 5: and you're gonna make them money and their corporation money.

762
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: But still they're going to commit, still have to split

763
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 6: the damn bills.

764
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 5: That was me. I blame myself.

765
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: She won an ownership Mariah.

766
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: Okay, So now that the book is out and has

767
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: done well, obviously, I mean I would think the next

768
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: logical step, and you know, when I finished the book,

769
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, are already feel like Lee Daniels

770
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: is already speaking to her like that? Well, but then

771
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: I thought about it and it just hit me that

772
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: not not enough brew How was made on your precious

773
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: performance and precious yeah, and.

774
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: And recapping your videos for this episode.

775
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: And again also recapping your your your narration of the audiobook. Yeah,

776
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: I are you ever going to get on? Are you

777
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: properly going to get on the acting horse again?

778
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: Has Glitter made you gun shy or like so much after?

779
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 4: I know, But I'm just saying that is I feel

780
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: like that's an area that you really really should explore

781
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: because you're your comic timing is one point with the

782
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: book and the shorts you did with Funny or Die,

783
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: We're also funny, like engaging. Do you want to explore

784
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 4: the acting world and immerse yourself in it for real

785
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: this go around? Or you just fine with like, Okay,

786
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 4: I tried it once and I'm fine.

787
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. So when I first met the Daniels,

788
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: it was post Glitter and he was actually and I

789
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: had done this movie called Wise Girls with Mira Cervina that, yeah,

790
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 5: an independent movie. Yeah, so that could have been a

791
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 5: great movie about great but it was supposed to have

792
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: been narrated by her character. A lot of the scenes

793
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: were kind of like added at the end. But it's

794
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: like the land of independent filmmaking. So my original goal

795
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: was always start. I always wanted to act, but my

796
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 5: original like if I had if I could create, like

797
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 5: here's my path, it was to start with independent projects,

798
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: to do things that were character driven, to work with

799
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 5: great directors, et cetera, et cetera. But that the whole

800
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 5: acting thing was completely a non starter for the corporate

801
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 5: morgue one person mainly, and so it wasn't even allowed

802
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: it And I talked about it in the book, So

803
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 5: this is no secret. I'm actually being more caged whatever

804
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 5: about it than I was in the book. But it

805
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: wasn't allowed. It just wasn't allowed. So my path of like,

806
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 5: let me do these gritty independent projects was just it

807
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: wasn't even that. It wasn't encouraged. It was blocked. It

808
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 5: was not it was not allowed. So in developing Glitter,

809
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 5: what happened was they very much whitewashed it quite literally,

810
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: you know, the studio this, that, and then by the

811
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: end of it there was so much Oh, it just

812
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: all was so incestuous, and the label into trounta with

813
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: this and that and having what I left, you know,

814
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: that whole situation that it just became like there was

815
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 5: there was no script. It was all over the place

816
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 5: and it wasn't night. And then it came out on

817
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 5: you know, September eleventh, two thousand and one, so what

818
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 5: are you going to do? But then but then me yeah,

819
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: but then like you know, wise girls and Lee had

820
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: seen that and then he was like, I love your acting,

821
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 5: like you should. You should be encouraged. So we worked

822
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: on a couple other projects together, and then we did Precious,

823
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: which heat He called me the day before and was like, hey,

824
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 5: you want to do this. I had read Push by Sapphire,

825
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: which I don't know if you guys read that, but

826
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: I read it. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Ron had given it

827
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 5: to me We're on the Beach and the Musa and

828
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 5: read it twice. So when I knew that Lee was

829
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: doing the movie, I was like, Wow, did I think

830
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: there was a part for me in the movie? No?

831
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 5: Not really who knew his take on it? But I'm

832
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 5: so happy that I did because he's a big he's

833
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 5: a great director. He understood what it took to put

834
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 5: me in a role and have it be not quote

835
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 5: Mariah Carey. So we did that, and working with Monique

836
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: and Gabby was just like really being in it really

837
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 5: being in it, and I loved it.

838
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 9: But yeah, can I ask you though, because now through

839
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 9: reading the book and knowing your life and the characters

840
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 9: that are come in out of your life and the

841
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 9: situations that you've been in and knowing that character im Precious,

842
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 9: which I just you blew me away like no bullshit?

843
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 9: Tell us between was it something personal that you were

844
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 9: drawing from and what was the direction from Lee to

845
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 9: you about that character.

846
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 5: Lee's direction is pretty much always this, do nothing, do nothing, nothing,

847
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 5: like like he no, I'm laughing when I say that,

848
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: because of course you gets more direction. But let's say,

849
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 5: after he gives you his direction, he's like, Okay, okay,

850
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 5: do nothing, do nothing, and I'm like, oh wow, how

851
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 5: do I do nothing? But I have to say on

852
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: that particular shoot, we really only did like three or

853
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: four takes of that, and it was so powerful because

854
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: so I had worked with a woman named Karen Giordonna,

855
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: who's a really close friend of mine and who is

856
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 5: an acting coach but also a director, and Lee was

857
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: working with her on Precious, mainly with the girls in

858
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 5: the scene at each one, teach one, and they were

859
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 5: it was all in prov He loves in pututization so

860
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: it you know, she was like, oh my gosh, this

861
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: is a this is an incredible thing energetically that's happening

862
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 5: with this movie. And she was so excited about it.

863
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 5: And then the last minute he called me, and me

864
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: and Karen just put together kind of like a backstory

865
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 5: for the character really quick. And Lee's main concern was,

866
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 5: you know, he had a prosthetic nose made for me,

867
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 5: which we didn't even end up using, but putting it

868
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 5: on and taking it off because my skin is so sensitive,

869
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 5: made it in a large Jimmy way. So that was

870
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 5: great and for him because I was concern he thought

871
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 5: he caught me putting on on making he was like,

872
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 5: what are they going. I'm like, oh, but you know,

873
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: everybody had their makeup and air and there's but his

874
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 5: main thing. And I loved it because a lot of

875
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 5: people when when the movie first came out, they didn't

876
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 5: even recognize me because there was an there was a

877
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 5: whole different look. So to answer the initial question, do

878
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 5: I want to do more of it? I don't know.

879
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: It would depend on the director, it would depend on

880
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: the role. Honestly, I don't want to do it just

881
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 5: for the sake of doing it. I want to do

882
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 5: it for the creative experience. But I do know that

883
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 5: like I am high maintenance, me as Mariah Carey, I'm

884
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: a freaking high maintenance. No, no, I am. And I've

885
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: always said it. I said it in some interview. I

886
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 5: think it was for the with the Guardian. I'm like, yeah,

887
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 5: I've always been high maintenance. I just didn't have people

888
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 5: to facilitate the maintenance.

889
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 9: So even as an actress or high maintenance like Mariah

890
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 9: the singer, one thing, but when you go to set

891
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 9: and stuff, it's still the same.

892
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 5: Missis it out for that role?

893
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 9: Absolutely not, like and and we wouldn't have tolerated it.

894
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just have to get it. If that's the

895
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 5: role and that's what we're doing, then that's what we're doing.

896
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 5: But if I want to do another project, I love

897
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 5: behind the scenes, I love executive producing, I love writing,

898
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 5: you know, I love all of that stuff. And yes,

899
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 5: I want to act more and I want to do

900
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: things that are fun. Speaking of which, Emir, how is

901
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: your experience as currently this is I'm interviewing you right now.

902
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: That's why I'm I just want to know because I

903
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 5: loved that. I loved that moment of you being able

904
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 5: to be a part of a part of that without

905
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 5: you know, I just in my mind, like I would

906
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 5: love to do some animation. I would love to do

907
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: some more of that type of stuff. You know, this

908
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 5: is the Soul.

909
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 9: I haven't watched it yet, So yeah, how was your

910
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 9: experience times here?

911
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: Was a dream come true? Yes? It was historical. I

912
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: love it. This is not my interview. You're not getting off, okay, no,

913
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: but I really think yeah.

914
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: I mean, there's some people that have to ease into

915
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: acting and do a lot of prep work and you know,

916
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: get with their coaches.

917
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: And all that.

918
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: But you you have a really natural, believable acting ability

919
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 4: that I think.

920
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: That you should explore more.

921
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 4: Like your your timing is great, which I think comes

922
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: from singing or whatever. But I think you should explore that.

923
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, I really I really do want And by

924
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 5: the way, that's a very lot of cheap sense coming

925
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 5: from me because CHASEE level and everything that you know,

926
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 5: just knowledge wise, I'm just like, what I the mistake

927
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 5: I made with glitter, which maybe it wasn't a mistake,

928
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 5: it was probably supposed to have. In that way, you

929
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 5: have to have a huge fall for people to care

930
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: about you. Then I guess I don't know, Maybe it's

931
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: just me. That's just what they how they do to be.

932
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: But you know, after that experience, I realized you have

933
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: to work with somebody, a top tier person to bring

934
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: out the best in you. It's like anything. It's like

935
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: collaborating on a song, like you can lead the way

936
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 5: and you could be the one doing most of it,

937
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 5: but at least you know when you have someone where

938
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 5: it's scales are more balanced. I feel like that's that's

939
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 5: a different experience, you know what I mean.

940
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm just putting out there.

941
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 5: Person I believe that he is. And we've been talking about,

942
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 5: you know, some ideas. It's just a big to put

943
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 5: this memoir and ad apt to adapt it into like

944
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 5: where we're talking about taking it. It's going to be interesting.

945
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 7: It's a series.

946
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 9: It's a it's a series, yeah all day.

947
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 7: I mean, just like the early years.

948
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it is.

949
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 6: It can easily be an Amazon a part season like

950
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 6: a Yeah, that's that's it's a new brainer.

951
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 5: We've been talking about that and that's not necessarily Amazon.

952
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: But I'm saying that's the thing, Like and what to

953
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 5: the earlier discussion about why or writing the book or what.

954
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 5: I don't know. Don't think anybody said why, but just

955
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 5: to answer the thing about like how this whole thing happened,

956
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 5: I said, initially, I wanted to emancipate my little girl self,

957
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 5: like little Mariah. That was the goal because nobody knew her.

958
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 5: She was a famous I know I'm speaking about myself

959
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: and the third person, but really I feel like, my yes,

960
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: it's like a different person because people she wasn't famous,

961
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 5: nobody she was. She's this poor little you know for

962
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 5: what a lot of people thought of as like this

963
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 5: mongrel type of person, and so, you know, a sad

964
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: kid but with a lot of hope and ambition and stuff.

965
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 5: But again, the film adaptation, whether it's the series or whatever,

966
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 5: has to be. It has to bring that girl to life,

967
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? It has to It's

968
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: not just this princess thing that you're seeing. There's a

969
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 5: lot of yeah that happened.

970
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: Hey, is there a person that you've long to work

971
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 4: with that you have not worked with yet? Or have

972
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: you checked off everything off on your your bucket list?

973
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: My bucket list? No, I don't really have a bucket list.

974
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, people on it. You're on it.

975
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 5: Many people are on.

976
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: It, Like, I'm just not you're saying that to all

977
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: the curlies. But I mean in terms of I mean

978
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 4: because and I don't. I don't consider this, you know,

979
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 4: the the the victory lap of all I want to

980
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: is you as a I don't consider that a curtain

981
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: call or a swan song or anything. But like, is

982
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: there is there anything that you haven't done that you

983
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 4: wanted to do?

984
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute.

985
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 4: I forgot. I forgot. I totally forgot. Dude, we have

986
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: to talk about it.

987
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Chick, thank you.

988
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 5: I totally forgot too.

989
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 4: I forgot. Okay, So you guys don't know. Damn, I

990
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: don't even know if I should revealed this much. Basically, in

991
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: the shortest way possible, Mariah pulled a Charlie x c S.

992
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: I kind of popped moved.

993
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 5: It was prior to her.

994
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know, I know, but I'm trying to

995
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: put in contemporary. She she basically made a a dummy

996
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 4: album or a project. Uh, Chris Gaines, if you will, ever,

997
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: you don't know that that that kond of pop is

998
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: Charlie xy X's secret.

999
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 5: I didn't know Arlie.

1000
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: Damn.

1001
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 6: We feel superid yesterday are Look, I work at the

1002
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 6: tonight show.

1003
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: I have to know who every gen Z person. Yes,

1004
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: there's a song I did it, but but you're the

1005
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: only one that I don't care. I love it.

1006
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know that you know.

1007
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 8: Right.

1008
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 6: So basically, Charlie x X didn't want to ruin her credibility,

1009
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 6: so she MILLI vanillied that song all these two model

1010
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 6: girls named I kind of pop, but kind of backfire

1011
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 6: because that song became super big pop.

1012
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 2: Right, even though Charlie x X is, even though.

1013
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 6: She's a name her in her own right, she uses

1014
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 6: the icon of pop thing as sort of an excuse

1015
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 6: to It was.

1016
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: Like Prince and the Time, all right, but we knew

1017
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 4: that Prince was we knew that Prince was the Time.

1018
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 6: We knew that Prince was Chili, and we knew that

1019
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 6: Prince was Charlie Sex things was totally That was.

1020
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 10: Totally dumbans I apologize, Okay.

1021
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: So let me rephrase the question. The question was that

1022
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 4: the general public doesn't know that you've made the secret

1023
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: album called Chick, in which you kind of let loose

1024
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 4: and made a very convincing alternative rock record. What year

1025
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 4: did you record Chick.

1026
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: The same year that I was doing the Daydream album.

1027
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 5: So ninety five, Yeah, always be My Baby and okay

1028
00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 5: and all that.

1029
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, can I find it?

1030
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 4: No, I wanted to get I didn't know how close

1031
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: to the chest you were with it, so I didn't

1032
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 4: share it with him.

1033
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 5: But can we one song? Can we play like a

1034
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 5: part of a song? May?

1035
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 8: I mean?

1036
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 5: But I just can I can? I give my own

1037
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 5: little disclaimer about this?

1038
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, what you need to do, Okay when

1039
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: the credits, Well, we'll play it at the end of

1040
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: the show.

1041
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 5: Okay, but don't we don't play the whole song. But

1042
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 5: I just want to say what really was going Unless

1043
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 5: you want to ask me about what was.

1044
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: Your I do want to ask so okay, So to

1045
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: set it up, you you made.

1046
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 4: Kind of your version of Seattle grunge neilistic all rock record.

1047
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: You know what what was on your mind? Like what

1048
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 4: made this happen? It's it's one thing to do one song,

1049
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 4: but you made a whole ass album out of it.

1050
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 5: I was like observing the landscape at that time as

1051
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 5: a twenty whatever year old music and having success in

1052
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 5: a very kind of specific couple of genres and looking

1053
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 5: at other people that seem to be able to just

1054
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 5: be so as I me and my friend call it

1055
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 5: so fucking care free, Like how are you so care

1056
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 5: free that you can do whatever you want? You can

1057
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 5: wear whatever you want? Now, I guess everybody can, but

1058
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 5: at the time, it was just like, oh I can.

1059
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 5: They could just wear like a dirty slip and socks,

1060
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: and you know what I mean, Like in that grunge moment,

1061
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: I was jealous. I have to say. I was like,

1062
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 5: and not that my image was perfect and now if

1063
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: I could go back and unblow out my bangs, I

1064
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 5: would definitely do that and have different styling and stuff

1065
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 5: like that. But you know, so I was looking at

1066
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: it and I was like, because I did grow up

1067
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 5: listening to like Blondie, and not lusively Blondie. I just mean,

1068
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: if there were other genres, it would be like you know,

1069
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 5: Pat Benaitar and Blondie and then whatever rock groups. And

1070
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: then you know, I was a child of the radio,

1071
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 5: so I listened to all different things rock music whatever,

1072
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 5: you know, mainly obviously like R and B and soul

1073
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 5: music and Gosmine whatever. But then there was also this

1074
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 5: like heavy rock quotient that was around, like where I

1075
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 5: was going up, so yeah, yes, but there was everything.

1076
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 5: There was obviously there was hip hop, there was this,

1077
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 5: there was you know, whatever it was. But there was

1078
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 5: a very strong thread of that happening, right, So when

1079
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: I saw the whole grunge thing going on, I was

1080
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 5: looking at it like, oh my gosh. They just say

1081
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 5: whatever they want. They say anything that they want, and

1082
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: they get away with it. So I would be like

1083
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 5: working on let's, for example, say like one Sweet Day,

1084
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 5: like mixes or whatever, we're doing overdubs, and the band

1085
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 5: would be there, like my band from the little touring

1086
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 5: that I did. So I just one night was like

1087
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 5: I was just singing stuff and making fun of, like

1088
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: not making fun of, but just like doing my own

1089
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 5: little impersonations as I do. And then I said to Gary,

1090
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 5: who was my guitar player at the time, I was like,

1091
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 5: can you just play? Because he's sitting there with his

1092
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 5: guitar and he was doing overdubs on something totally different.

1093
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, can you just play it? Like whatever? So

1094
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 5: we starts playing it and we just that's a song

1095
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 5: called Joe. That's not the one I would love to

1096
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 5: he I would love to hermit. But so then I

1097
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 5: just started writing stuff down like anything I wanted to say,

1098
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 5: finished it in like five minutes or ten minutes, and

1099
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 5: it was relas. But then as the projects that like

1100
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: every night when we would be working, and actually, like

1101
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 5: the corporate people were on a trip to Italy at

1102
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 5: that time, so they weren't there to stop the flow.

1103
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: So wait, you allowed you allowed Sony Brass in your sessions.

1104
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 5: I had to allow one Brass member who was like.

1105
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 6: The breass, right, I forgot, I totally forgot.

1106
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 5: Okay, never no nobody else he even he wouldn't allow

1107
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 5: anybody else in there. But never, never during my vocals

1108
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 5: was anybody loud. And then they still not, but I'm

1109
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 5: saying like they would be if they were around, it

1110
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 5: would be like a swift, let me pick you up

1111
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 5: at seven and we'll go to dinner at Lascala or wherever.

1112
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 5: And then I had to be in that wifey world

1113
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 5: of corporate people. So it took me from like a

1114
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 5: complete creative head to here I am like I think

1115
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 5: such and such. You know, we talk about it in

1116
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 5: the chapter called Thanksgiving is Canceled. That's kind of one

1117
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 5: of my favorite things. And then this year Thanksgiving really

1118
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 5: was canceled, so it was ironic. But anyway, so I

1119
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 5: ended up every night like recording something new and writing

1120
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 5: something new, and it was just as a creative outlet.

1121
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 5: But then I would then we actually mixed it and

1122
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 5: did it and recorded it, you know, recorded it, mixed it,

1123
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 5: mastered it.

1124
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 4: Would you do it in another room because I mean,

1125
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 4: ninety five, I don't think it's that. I mean, now

1126
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 4: I can tell Steve all right, put this other song

1127
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 4: up a real quick and he can, you know, sort

1128
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: of with technology and a snap do that. But ninety

1129
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 4: five you're working with reels and that sort of thing.

1130
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 5: So there are still pro tools.

1131
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 4: At that time, so you would just make them erase

1132
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 4: the board and then put up your reels that you

1133
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 4: work on your Like, weren't they scared, like, well, what

1134
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 4: if Tommy comes in here and sees what we're doing or.

1135
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 5: No, because at a certain point I told him he

1136
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 5: knew about it. But it wasn't like we were we

1137
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 5: had separate reels like I've just found them that saying

1138
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 5: the name Wow the group. So after we you know,

1139
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 5: they the engineer just started rolling like you know, I mean,

1140
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 5: at that time, it wasn't like we had to worry about,

1141
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, a new roll of tape, like you know,

1142
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 5: we had.

1143
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 6: To do and you know most that was printing money.

1144
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and we want to do that again, but

1145
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 5: it's impossible because with streaming, we know that the artist

1146
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 5: makes less than you know, what percentage of a penny

1147
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 5: do the artists make? Basically one? Yeah?

1148
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, something crazy, yeah.

1149
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 5: Very small. I failed a medio map, so I don't

1150
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 5: know how to do that math. But I just know

1151
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 5: if you did one hundred and thirty million streams in

1152
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 5: a week, you should make at least a dollar off that.

1153
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 5: And you know, this was a lab of love and

1154
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: just this was just me being like, let me just

1155
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 5: do this, write it down whatever. The musicians loved it

1156
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 5: because it was totally it was a total departure from

1157
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 5: what we were doing, and they got to be free,

1158
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 5: they got to just we were all kind of in

1159
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 5: a in an act like it was an act. It

1160
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 5: was a whatever you call it. It was what do

1161
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 5: you call it? What did you call it? An all rock?

1162
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: Alternative rock?

1163
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 8: Uh?

1164
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 7: What's the future of it?

1165
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 5: Well?

1166
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 9: Well, well, well red folks ever know, will it all

1167
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 9: be like a red herring?

1168
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: I feel like if you officially released it though the

1169
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 4: magic ends like that's the thing, Princess the Black Album

1170
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 4: was so legendary when it was like a secret.

1171
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 7: One song, just a one song.

1172
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 6: And then that she came out and it was like

1173
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 6: it came out and there's like the magic's over here.

1174
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to your point about it being, what

1175
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 5: did you say when you first brought it up, Oh,

1176
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 5: doing one song versus doing an album.

1177
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: Like you did a whole album.

1178
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 5: And I also, did you see the artwork? I did

1179
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 5: the artwork myself.

1180
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 7: And yes, that's not nice, y'all. This is me.

1181
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 5: I to my friend Clarissa, and I said, you know what,

1182
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 5: because certain people were like, oh, you can't put this

1183
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 5: out there. I also changed the lyrics so a lot

1184
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 5: of it was a little bit more with the perfinity

1185
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 5: and stuff because no, but he made me change it

1186
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 5: and put something. I know. But I have the wheels

1187
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 5: at this point, so at some point I'm gonna put

1188
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: out my own version. But I don't have the board mixes.

1189
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 5: All I have like all the separate tracks, like ten

1190
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 5: guitar tracks, and you know all of.

1191
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: This, Mariah, do you know what record store day is?

1192
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 5: Man?

1193
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 8: Man?

1194
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 6: Okay, clean the fuck up. I'm gonna tell you how

1195
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 6: to do this sun So Record Store Day. It happens

1196
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 6: in the second Saturday of April, and they made a

1197
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: second one for Black Friday in November.

1198
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 4: But what it is is sort of sound nerd audio there.

1199
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: It's like us people.

1200
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 6: I mean, this is the equivalent of like New Jordan's

1201
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 6: coming out. So some people will sleep outside of what

1202
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 6: was formerly known as a Meva Records in la I

1203
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 6: mean it moved to another location.

1204
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: It didn't shut down.

1205
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 4: But basically, Record Store Day is a day that pretty

1206
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 4: much everyone lives for in April to buy like rare

1207
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 4: you know, somebody Jack White will print joint yeah exclusive,

1208
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: So Jack White will print up like five thousand copies

1209
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 4: of some particular like song that you know, it's either

1210
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 4: a forty five or maybe like a ten inch or whatever,

1211
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: but they do it. They do it in small numbers,

1212
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 4: so it's almost like art and usually you know, somebody

1213
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 4: will wind up paying like a gazillion dollars on eBay

1214
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: for it or something like that. I think you should

1215
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 4: make I think you should make five thousand copies of

1216
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 4: the record that you intended to make and just secretly

1217
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: release it or record store day and just let the

1218
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 4: legend of Chick.

1219
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: Go out that way.

1220
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 5: I agree, and you know what, I think it should

1221
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 5: be that and also the artwork should be I should

1222
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 5: do the original artwork. And so I freaking people don't

1223
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 5: even know. I literally wrote, Okay, so it's a dead

1224
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 5: roach that's the cover. Then it's a lipstick written chick

1225
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: on top of it that I wrote in my handwriting.

1226
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 5: The title is some ugly daughter. That's the title of

1227
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 5: the album. And then the back of the album is

1228
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 5: a crushed makeup thing, a makeup like eye shadows or

1229
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 5: pink blue pastels. And then I just did, like with

1230
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 5: a fork at the Hit Factory. I just like did

1231
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 5: and then took a picture of it, and then wrote

1232
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 5: all the wrote all the song titles on the back.

1233
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 5: And then the CD itself, I did, like kiss it

1234
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 5: like it's a whole thing, like the actual the physical

1235
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 5: CD is amazing. And somebody gave me a copy. Somebody

1236
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 5: gave me a copy because I didn't have one, like

1237
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 5: you know, it was for laps. And then like I

1238
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 5: did it, and then they ruined it by making it.

1239
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 5: Not that they ruined it. I love Cloric, So she

1240
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 5: did a great job singing on top of it, and

1241
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: we worked on a couple songs. I didn't send you

1242
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 5: those two. I did the original album as intended. That's

1243
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 5: what I sent to you, a milor. But anyway, so

1244
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 5: it became like a thing where it wasn't allowed to

1245
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 5: be meaning or what I was gonna do is back

1246
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 5: then release it, do a total different character visually, and

1247
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 5: then hopefully have a hit with one of the songs,

1248
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 5: and then reveal that it was me and be like huh.

1249
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 5: Because at that time, it was very much like if

1250
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 5: you were quote unquote popular on the pop charts, you

1251
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 5: could not have critical acclaim. They just didn't give a chap.

1252
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 5: They just didn't care. It was just like a da

1253
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 5: da da, you know, we like this artsy person, we

1254
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 5: like this edgy person, whatever, And so it was what

1255
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 5: it was. But at this point I do think Chick

1256
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 5: me us to have its own thing. And I actually

1257
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 5: been having conversations with someone I'm not going to name

1258
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 5: about doing like another version of Chick some of those

1259
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 5: songs and writing a couple of new ones. And I'm

1260
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 5: asking you now if you will write those with me,

1261
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 5: or at least like explore it. Because she's a young

1262
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 5: sixteen year old girl who is very famous and she's

1263
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 5: perfect for this, and We've already had conversations about it

1264
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 5: and I'm planning on, like hopefully working on it.

1265
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 6: It's coming out, yo, Billie.

1266
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: No, we know that.

1267
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, actually now I'm Riah. But why actually,

1268
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 6: why you bullshit?

1269
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: Actually? Why you bushit?

1270
01:10:49,720 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: I knew who you choose Mariah, but on the real yeah, right, talked.

1271
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 5: About she and I. She's an actress, but she wants

1272
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 5: to sing as well.

1273
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 6: And you know it's a good look. It'll work with

1274
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 6: her too. It'll work I'm talking about right, Yeah, I

1275
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 6: know it'll work.

1276
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 5: Okay.

1277
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: I think you should.

1278
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 6: I think you should definitely do that, Rio because out

1279
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 6: of I mean you've been talking now for like three

1280
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 6: out out of everything that you've talked about, this is

1281
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 6: the most excited you sounded about anything.

1282
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: M hmm. Well, because I can talk about my own

1283
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 5: top stories all the live long day, but this is

1284
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 5: something that and it's something that's fun. It's not you

1285
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 5: don't see that.

1286
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 6: I'm not pinking and it sounds like you I mean,

1287
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 6: it's just I'm just from you know, just sitting here

1288
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 6: having these conversations. You know this sounds like the thing

1289
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 6: that most feels like it most represents you. You know

1290
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like it seems like true to who

1291
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 6: you are.

1292
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 5: I mean, the music represents me, I'm not saying if

1293
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 5: it doesn't. It represents a silly side of me that

1294
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 5: was at a time really needed an outlet. It was

1295
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 5: a musical, but it was for laughs, which is how

1296
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 5: I get through most things, is just making jokes and

1297
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 5: getting through it. So it was like combining to kind

1298
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 5: of to defense to not defense mechanisms, to escape mechanisms,

1299
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 5: you know, to you know, it was music and it

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01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 5: was fun and it was me like just writing relapse.

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Speaker 5: That's why I want to play that song Hermit, because

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 5: but the funny thing is even my daughter Monrose like

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 5: so she heard it. She heard the song Malibu, and

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 5: then she heard the rest of the songs and she

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 5: just started singing the one Hermit that goes um like

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01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 5: it's an accident. She heard it. She goes, she's nine,

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Speaker 5: She goes, Mommy, can you send me the Chicks album?

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Yo, it sounds amazing. This record sounds amazing.

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Speaker 8: Okay, we are not.

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Speaker 5: Wait, Mariah, this long without happening music in the background

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01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, because this is.

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Speaker 2: We're on zoom.

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Speaker 4: If this was the real format of the show, then

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Speaker 4: I would have the ability to add music.

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Speaker 8: But.

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Speaker 7: Zoom that would have been.

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Speaker 2: I know, I miss roll call.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I was like, Oh, I'm glad I

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 5: don't have to just put under that pressure.

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Speaker 2: I miss roll call. But wait, can I ask something though?

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Speaker 4: So basically, what was what what what I'm gathering is

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Speaker 4: what was freeing for you and what elated you was

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01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 4: sort of the care freeness of creating music kind of

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 4: without a care and being honest and just putting it

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Speaker 4: all out there.

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Speaker 5: It was also I would have to get through without

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Speaker 5: laughing some of the time. That was part of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: But humor.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing though, And even though I'm like clam

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 4: even though I'm clamoring in the mountains on the mountaintops

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 4: about your acting, it's really your sense of humor, which

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 4: I never knew you had, you know what I mean,

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 4: Like my fans.

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 5: Knew, no one to know. I can't expect people to know,

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 5: you know, Like it's just like you know.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: Let me rephrase it.

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'm not on the outside looking

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 6: in I've been to many of Mariah concert I've I've

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01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 6: I've know, I know you have a sense of humor,

1341
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 6: but it's it's relaxed timing. But what what I feel

1342
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 6: that the white elephant question I want to ask is like,

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 6: would you ever try to create an album in that vein?

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 6: Not under the guys of like, well, I'm gonna do

1345
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 6: music genre this totally the opposite of what I'm known for.

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01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 6: Would you not ever try to extra size that sort

1347
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 6: of freedom and your actual Mariah career, not like.

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,959
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, let's have some fun and do an alternative

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 4: rock record, or let's do a somber record, or let's

1350
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 4: do an afrobeat record.

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01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 5: And I hear what you're saying, but I never said

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01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 5: to them, let's do an alternative rock album. I was

1353
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,879
Speaker 5: just in that era when all that stuff was huge,

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 5: and they happened to be very talented musicians in the

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01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 5: room who could easily pull that off. And actually sometimes

1356
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 5: we deliberately did stuff not perfectly.

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01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah you had to play down.

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01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 5: But it was fun, Like it was just fun. So

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 5: to answer your question, I would love to do, honestly,

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 5: have another concept that I want to told to you

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 5: about that We also kind of touched on when I

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 5: would do whatever, like no, I don't want to ever,

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01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not inspired to do a somber record.

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 5: I'm not inspired to do like whatever. I mean, I

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01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 5: would totally do something that's not my genre. Here was

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 5: the great thing about that moment. It was just free.

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01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 5: It was just free. And I know people experience that

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 5: without having an alternative ego or whatever, like most people

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 5: experience that. I'm sure when you're making music most of

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 5: the time, it's out of joy, like I don't know,

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 5: I can't be here by anything. But it's not constantly

1372
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 5: nitpicking yourself or putting yourself like oh I hate that,

1373
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 5: let me do it again. Like that's that's how I am.

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 2: But is it easy?

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,919
Speaker 6: Is it easy for you to create and craft songs

1376
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 6: without having to also be your judge and jury and executioner,

1377
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 6: like you know, to the point where, Okay, I have

1378
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 6: to make sure that this is notes correct, Like I'm

1379
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 6: a guy that loves I love mistakes. I love imperfection.

1380
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 6: You know, I love wrong notes, I love bending notes.

1381
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: I love you know.

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01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 6: I love imperfection so much, Like but could you do

1383
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 6: you think you could ever?

1384
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 2: Like let your allow, yeah.

1385
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 6: And put it out or just do it for labs now,

1386
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 6: put it out as not as like a side silly project,

1387
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 6: put it out as Mariah Carey.

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 5: It depends on what it was. I would have to

1389
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 5: be in the room and feel what we're doing, Like

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01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 5: what's the inspiration, what are we doing, Like where are

1391
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 5: we coming from? Like, yeah, we could. I would all day,

1392
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 5: experiment all day. I'm not going to commit to prior

1393
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 5: to Oh yeah, this is definitely coming out. I would

1394
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 5: have to live with it, you know, Okay, what's your

1395
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 5: thought and mirror?

1396
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing.

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01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 4: I'm glad we finally did this interview so we can

1398
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 4: have normal conversations because you and I have been cat

1399
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:53,879
Speaker 4: and mousing for so long because I wanted our initial

1400
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 4: conversation to be this podcast.

1401
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: I get not nerd out on you in real life.

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01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 5: So y'all have been talking this whole time.

1403
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, like I've I've been purposely holding

1404
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 4: back because usually when I start friendships, it's it. It

1405
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 4: starts in the guise of journalists, and that makes people uncomfortable.

1406
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 4: Like hey, by the way, when you did at the

1407
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 4: court and like I wanted to get that out the

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01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 4: way here.

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01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 7: What brought y'all too together? Anyway?

1410
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 5: The book really the book, the book that's right.

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01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 7: Doesn't hitting you up about the food the ritz.

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01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 6: Crackers, Yeah, exactly. The book strung me in so yeah,

1413
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 6: now a friendship.

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 5: Inform that's dope. No, it really means so much to

1415
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 5: me because you know, you are an incredible writer and

1416
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 5: your level of knowledge is just you know, as we

1417
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 5: all know, nobody's truid. But then the whole thing with

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 5: the food and the book, it's a thing.

1419
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: How turn out it was.

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01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 5: One of the best years. I gotta say it was

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 5: one of.

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01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: These Christmas is I gotta try this linguini.

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01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 9: It's like daddy's linguini, your dad's clam sauce.

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: She only she only does it for Christmas.

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 7: That's the part I texted Mirror about. I was like,

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01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 7: I want some of that, Yeah.

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01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 5: Exactly, tell you it's really good. And I didn't even

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 5: know the secret ingredient with the onions because for years

1429
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 5: I was like, why can't I find any restaurant that

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 5: makes my dad like mix better than my dad's linguini

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 5: with white clemsas like these Italian restaurants, even in Italy,

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 5: they don't do it as well. I was like, what

1433
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 5: is it that you know a black man from Harlem?

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 7: Me just said it, you just said it.

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 5: There it is. But but but they didn't tell like

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 5: he didn't. I never had the recipe. And then like

1437
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 5: the year before he died, he gave me the actual

1438
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 5: recipe and looted it down. And then yeah, and then

1439
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 5: who's the best gift he ever gave me? And then

1440
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 5: I realized what I was doing wrong. I never knew.

1441
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 5: I never saw him onions in it as a kid.

1442
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 5: But they liquefying the PM. That's the secret. So every

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01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 5: year now I just do it, and it's this Christmas Eve,

1444
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 5: it's every Christmas Eve. I just decided I'm not doing

1445
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 5: Christmas dinner with the traditional nonsense. It was a mess

1446
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 5: this year. No offensive this year or whatever. But the

1447
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 5: turkey was dry, and everything you.

1448
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 6: Cooked last Christmas you cooked last Christmas.

1449
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 5: We're in January now, so yes, yes, I cooked my

1450
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 5: dad's recipe for Lincoln or I clamsaus Eve and then

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01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 5: then I did Christmas dinner. But I supervised it, but

1452
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 5: not well enough. See, it's a constant thing. You have

1453
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 5: to micro manage everything, and I'm so tired of it.

1454
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 5: Anybody listening to this podcast, please me if you're not

1455
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 5: a psycho and you just want a job as like

1456
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 5: a facilitator, you feel that you really want to be

1457
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 5: out on a level where we're going to get to

1458
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 5: a very very different levels starting this year.

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01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: You're talking about food.

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01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm talking about administrative assistant. I'm talking about

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,839
Speaker 5: executive and hiring.

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01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 7: And you're not.

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01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: You do not want.

1464
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 5: We can't even organize this freaking podcast.

1465
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 6: Think this this came off without Ariot No.

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01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. You you truly let your guard down.

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01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 4: I don't think you've ever given a three hour interview before.

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01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 4: I haven't, so I feel honored and I feel the

1469
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 4: love that you trusted me so much to do this

1470
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 4: for me. Even when you agreed, I was like, oh man,

1471
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 4: this might be like Michelle Obama, like twenty five minutes.

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01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 5: Oh my god, No, hanging out with you guys and

1473
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 5: having you splash and stuff, and thank you for having

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01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 5: me and and everything else.

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: Mariah.

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 6: We think he's so much for doing this for us.

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, and thank you for the music.

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01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:10,919
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for caring. So yeah, here, guys,

1479
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,879
Speaker 5: don't forget I'm hiring.

1480
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm going to take that off the podcast,

1481
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ.

1482
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 7: For three hours.

1483
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 5: You need to make sure you get me somebody for real. Snybody.

1484
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you.

1485
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 7: Help you can help you with that.

1486
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: I got you. I'm I'm an expert in this area.

1487
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: I got a right.

1488
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,839
Speaker 7: Thank you for sharing the truth. It was a beautiful story.

1489
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 9: I mean, I know a lot of it was hard,

1490
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 9: but thank you for sharing it was really brave.

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01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 6: We appreciate it, all right on behalf of a sugar

1492
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 6: Steve Fan, Tikeolo and unpaid bill.

1493
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: You missed one paid bill your fault, bro.

1494
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 5: Love you, guys, thank you, We love you all right.

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01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 4: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I know we made a promise.

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01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 4: This is a hermit from the Lost Mariah Carey Chick Project,

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 4: which is actually.

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01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: Kind of dope. Dick it. I hope you do too,

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: all right, see.

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Speaker 8: Y'all, Yo, So present the welcome busters go.

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01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: Yo, what's up? This is fante.

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 6: Make sure you keep up with us on Instagram at

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01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 6: QLs and let us know what you think and who

1504
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 6: should be next to sit down with us. Don't forget

1505
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,879
Speaker 6: to subscribe to our podcast, all right, Peace.

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01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,719
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