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Speaker 1: work that they are doing. And I think the story

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Speaker 1: that you have for us today illustrates that quite well.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and throw this tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Corporate media is the misinformation problem. The largest media outlets

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Speaker 1: are platforming con artists, skewing the news and immersing the

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Speaker 1: a lot of discourse lately, David about who the misinformation

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Speaker 1: very people who protest the most about misinformation. Absolutely. I mean,

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Speaker 1: That is bad for everybody, because what we really need

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Speaker 1: We're going to have more for you later. There's an

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Speaker 1: He joins us now. Joe is an entrepreneur. He's co

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Speaker 1: Starbucks where workers are filing for union elections. And of

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Speaker 1: course we detailed so all started in Buffalo. You had

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Speaker 1: a few stores there that decided that they were going

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Speaker 1: to try to unionize. They ultimately were successful, but not

434
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: after facing down this insane effort at union busting from

435
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: the corporates where they sent in executives and they closed

436
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: doors and they flooded those doors with new workers, and

437
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: they pulled everybody out for the listening sessions, and still

438
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: you had two stores there that ultimately decided to unionize.

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00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: So one of the things, Soccer that you and I

440
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: have been talking about is how is Starbucks now going

441
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: to approach all of these union campaigns across the country.

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00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: You have at least sixty stores now that are working

443
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: to unionize. How are they going to deal with this

444
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: when you can't just flood the zone at one store.

445
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: Hon Impost is up with a look at at least

446
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: the legal strategy that they are employing to try to

447
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: cut this all off. At the pass. Headline here says

448
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: Starbucks is desperately trying to slow a union campaign that

449
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: has caught fire. The company is doing whatever it can

450
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: to delay elections. They're wasting everyone's time and money. A

451
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: lawyer for the union says, what they detail here is

452
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: that Starbucks is just reusing some of the exact playbook

453
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: and tactics that they ran in Buffalo to try to

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Speaker 1: prevent or at least delay union elections in these stores.

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Speaker 1: One of the things they did in Buffalo is that

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Speaker 1: they petition to the NLARB, the National Labor Relations Board,

457
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we need more time, let's push this

458
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: down the road. And also, hey, the bargaining union, the

459
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: group of people, the group of stores that should be

460
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: filing this election and voting on this should be a

461
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: lot larger than just one store. They've already lost these

462
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Speaker 1: battles at the NLARB, but that isn't stopping them from

463
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: continuing to cut in paste the exact same legal strategy

464
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: with regards to all of these stores, which is just

465
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: an effort at trying to run out the clock and

466
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: waste time. So they quote here Ian Hayes, he's a

467
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Speaker 1: Buffalo based labor attorney's been coordinating Starbucks Worker United It's

468
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: legal work. He described the company's mounting challenges as something

469
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: close to carbon copies. Quote the same facts with different

470
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: proper nouns. The company is making identical arguments and the

471
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: union is forced to do the same in response. The

472
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: company's lawyers are just going to continue to raise the

473
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: same dead legal issue until somebody puts a stop to it.

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Speaker 1: They are not going to stop doing that out of

475
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Speaker 1: a sense of shame or out of the knowledge they're

476
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: going to lose, and they are wasting everyone's time and money.

477
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Speaker 1: So we're starting to get a little bit of a

478
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: picture of the type of tactics that they're employed. Yeah,

479
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: and one thing I learned from this is that even

480
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: if they lose, which they probably will, it doesn't matter

481
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: because when you delay a vote by weeks or even days,

482
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: it allows the company to hold more captive audience meetings,

483
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: send more text messages to workers, and organize the actual

484
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: workers in the store. So time is very much of

485
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: the essence. They even quote somebody says any employer with

486
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Speaker 1: the resources at Starbucks has available time is their favorite weapon.

487
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: And they also point to Amazon and other companies that

488
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: have done this in the past. When you delay, delay, delay,

489
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: it allows you to have the maximum propaganda effort that

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Speaker 1: you can upon the workers themselves. And when you're talking here,

491
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: how many stores a we're talking sixty to sixty plus. Okay,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking sixty plus stores, you don't want all

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00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: sixty to go. It's victory if you get thirty of

494
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: them not to do it, forty five, say only fifteen

495
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, it's a game of numbers. It's

496
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: a game of margins. There's billions of dollars here on

497
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: the line because they don't want this to be all

498
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Speaker 1: thousands of the stores that they have, and if they

499
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: can try and make it a tiny minority, then that's

500
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: something that very much works in their favor, and then

501
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: they can delay the negotiations even once those people are recognized.

502
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's all a time delay tactic on their

503
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: part to try and ruin the lives of the workers

504
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: and not actually have a fair say in what's happening.

505
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: So apparently Howard Schultz and his biography lays out and

506
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: they talk about this in this Huffin Impost article with

507
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: great glee, how an early union attempt in a Seattle Starbucks,

508
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: like at the beginning of the company, ultimately the workers

509
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: vote to unionize, and then because you have so much

510
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: turnover and because of the tactics he employed, even then

511
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: they ultimately voted to decertify the union before it could

512
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: ever really take hold. And so that also gives you

513
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: a glimpse into what they want to play out, because, yeah,

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00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: if you can keep it to couple stores in Buffalo,

515
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: maybe a few scattered across the country and other places,

516
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: then you drag out contract nego, you pretend like you're

517
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: negotiating and good faith when you really aren't. You keep

518
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: them from ever getting a union contract. Then, in the

519
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: food service industry, turnover is very high. Young people don't

520
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: stay in these jobs oftentimes forever, although some do stay

521
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: for the long term, but oftentimes turnover is quite high,

522
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: and so you start to hire people and sort of

523
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: screen them for what their views on the union are

524
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: and as you turn over the workforce, then you can

525
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: push for them to ultimately decertify the union and roll

526
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: backwards to not having the union representation. If you have

527
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: a mass movement of unionization across the country in you know,

528
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: dozens or hundreds of Starbucks, will all of those steps

529
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: then start to be a lot more complicated, a lot

530
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: more difficult to ultimately to ultimately implement. So yeah, the

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00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: other piece with delaying just the union elections is again

532
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: because food service industry turnover is high. While they're waiting

533
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: for that election to actually start, they can be finding

534
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: reasons to fire some of the agitators, they can be

535
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: finding bringing in. And this is what they did in Buffalo,

536
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: flooding these stores with new workers that I'm sure they

537
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: didn't screen at all for their anti union sentiment. These

538
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: are some of the tricks and the tactics that they

539
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: will be using and employing here because in spite of

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00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: their whatever their progressive rhetoric, is what it comes down

541
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: to control, when it comes down to workers having a

542
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: say in their workforce, they are just as regressive as

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00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: every other corporation in this country. All right, guys, thanks

544
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: so much for watching we're gonna have more for you later.

545
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: All right, guys, We've got a little update on a

546
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: story that you all we're very interested in, which is

547
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: that Jeff Bezos has commissioned the world's largest super yacht,

548
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: what is like five hundred million support. It's such a

549
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: big yacht that it needs its own little baby yacht.

550
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, okay, disgusting, gro test display of wealth that

551
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: literally no one should have. So the rub The additional

552
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: on this though, is that to actually get it to him,

553
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: they're going to have to disassemble a historic bridge in

554
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: the Dutch port city of Rotterdam. So they're going to

555
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: take apart the bridge because bombed by the Nazis, yes,

556
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and which they had previously they decommissioned it and they

557
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: were planning to take it down, and there was such

558
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: a public outcry that they kept it. They restored it.

559
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: So this is apparently important to the people of that city.

560
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: And so the plan was to disassemble this bridge so

561
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: that the yacht can pass through. There is a new

562
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: effort afoot to fight back against this on organized on Facebook.

563
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: The Dutch in by the thousands are vowing to egg

564
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos's yacht if in fact, this bridge is disassembled

565
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: to let his yacht pass. On the Facebook page that

566
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Speaker 1: they set up, they say calling all Rotterdammers, take a

567
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: box of rotten eggs with you and let's throw them

568
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: on mass at Jeff super yacht when it sails through

569
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: the hef in Rotterdam. This organizer wrote that, and there

570
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: are I think I saw there were like four. Yeah,

571
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand people are quote interested designated that on Facebook.

572
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Nearly four thousand have said they will actually attend. Now

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00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: this whole effort, Sager, it turns out, sadly his a

574
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: little tongue in cheek because apparently it's you know, it's

575
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: pretty big river, so to be able to hit the

576
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: yacht from the side is going to be very challenging. Well,

577
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: but it's going to be disassembled. Yeah, I know, because

578
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: that originally in my head, That's what I was thinking.

579
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: But then drop it over at New York Magazine they

580
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: actually did a whole analysis of how hard it would

581
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: be to throw an egg and have it actually hit

582
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: the yacht from the bank, and apparently it would be

583
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: very difficult. It would be it would say, I'll look

584
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: it up while you're talking. But it was like two

585
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight feet or something to that. Yeah,

586
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: it was pretty baseball. They have baseball in the Netherlands.

587
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, this is pretty funny. They said

588
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: it originally was a joke, but now they're like, yeah,

589
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we actually want to try and do this.

590
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: But I think, what is the reason why it's sparking

591
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: so much outrage? There is Number one. It is a

592
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: national monument bombed by the Nazis, built in nineteen twenty seven.

593
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: It is looked at as a symbol of Rotterdam heritage.

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00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't know this. The

595
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: port of Rotterdam is one of the most significant points

596
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: in all of global commerce and was one of the

597
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: major entry points to Europe. It's what made the Netherlands

598
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: and the Dutch, you know, the whole dusty Dutch East

599
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: India Company of the sixteen hundreds. It's a deep historical

600
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: place and to see it turned into, you know, its

601
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: last remaining economic value is building yachts for the super rich.

602
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: That's pretty sad. I mean, I know, the port of

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00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Rotterdam still moves a lot of cargo, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of why you have to dismantle the bridge in the

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00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: first place, And the organizer of the protest even points

606
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: out he goes, look, most places, if a bridge is

607
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: too small for your boat, you make a smaller boat,

608
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Like it's not an argument in bridget right. And also

609
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: did nobody think about this, like how how did they

610
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: know that the yacht was ever going to be able

611
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: to go through? Did they just did the government give

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00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: them assurances like, yeah, don't worry. As long as you

613
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: pay for it, it's all good. I say, don't don't

614
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: dismantle the bridge. Yeah, figure it out. I don't know.

615
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: You got more money than God. You can move it around.

616
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: You could dismantle it and put it on a truck.

617
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Apparently that's the other alternative. They do that too, because

618
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: it's the mass that are too tall, so you could,

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Speaker 1: you know, not fully assemble it or take part of

620
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: the boat apart, and so part of the bridge apart.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't really make sense to me. They the

622
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: justification that was originally given was like job creation, which

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00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, which I thought was just sort

624
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: of cut perfect emblom perfect emblem of how the entire

625
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: economy is just about like serving the whims of billionaires

626
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: and we all have to, you know, hope for the

627
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: crumbs that they're willing to cast off and get the

628
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: job on the bridge disassembly team. So I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: This is from curbed, which is a website with New

630
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: York mag An egg would have to travel two hundred

631
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: and thirty eight feet to hit the hull. Difficult, but

632
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: not impossible feet, they say, so you never know. And

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00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: the other piece that I found interesting is that apparently

634
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Rotterdam's mayor originally was like, we're doing this, it's job creation.

635
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: We're going to disassemble the bridge. Now he's not so sure.

636
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: So since there was a global outcry over this situation,

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00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: officials walk back the reports. Rotterdam's mayor told a Dutch

638
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: newspaper on Thursday that no decision has yet been taken,

639
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: not even an application for a permit. He said the

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00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: municipality would consider an application that assess the potential impacts,

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00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: like whether the dismantling can be done without damaging the

642
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: bridge and who would cover the costs. So they were

643
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: all in on the bridge disassembly thing, but your outcry

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Speaker 1: has been heard and they are now reconsidering. So we'll see, okay,

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Speaker 1: and also tax this man, Texas. I love the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Please please, I want to be able to come back

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Speaker 1: to your country sometimes. All right, guys, thanks for watching

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