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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifth, he comes

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Speaker 1: up and make a flight at one hit. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: he got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney, come off the

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Speaker 1: ball with malice. Here's Paul calvc here in two twenty gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Positional flexibility is at an all time premium, is it not, Darren.

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Speaker 1: We're on the road right and I'm playing radio engineer,

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Speaker 1: not doing a very good job. The great Walled Ellis

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Speaker 1: He's idy proved it's to such a level. And then

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice when Kelvin Beecham was talking

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Speaker 1: But what really grabbed me, did you guys catch just

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Speaker 1: check me moment here at Kasa Kelvisia on Cardinal's Underground.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we need to accelerate the schooling around here with

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Speaker 1: already into those topics, I mean, Darren, your wife's a teacher.

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Speaker 1: Not to get too far off topic, once again, everybody

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Speaker 1: Even I can do the math and see that the

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Speaker 1: predictive type numbers and the stuff that you can use

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Speaker 1: moving forward. So my favorite number was Kyler Murray's ten

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Speaker 1: That's why you have a number one overall picking a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: dare I say that at New York the Cardinals found

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Speaker 1: was it flawless? Absolutely not. Kyler forced the ball into

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Speaker 1: and that's what that's what I'm looking forward to in

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Speaker 1: I mean, Darren, that Jet Stadium was absolutely dead. There

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Speaker 1: there's a good chance that this could develop into a shootout.

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Speaker 1: And that again goes back to whatever this defense is doing.

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Speaker 1: This off needs to perform like everybody thinks it can perform.

431
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. Joe Flacco was victimized by

432
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: three brutal drops in that game. Jeff Smith had a

433
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: couple of them. There was a backup tight end who

434
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: dropped one. You know, for the most part, it wasn't

435
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Speaker 1: nearly as easy as Carolina made it look. For example,

436
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: Kyle that just the eyeball test against Carolina is just

437
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: too easy on third down in the red zone, just

438
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: chunk throws. Guys are too wide open too often. We

439
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: didn't get nearly as much of that against the Jets,

440
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: but there was enough that there is a little bit concerned.

441
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: I definitely think that's plausible with Darren proposed there a

442
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: bit of a shootout considering how bad the Cowboys defense

443
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 1: is and considering how much of a show I'm sure

444
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: Kyler and clipp would love to put on back in

445
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Speaker 1: the Lone Star State. Heay, you see, I'm not I'm

446
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: not concerned about the running front stopping issues at all.

447
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's very, very much of a

448
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: weakness in my eyes. But I do think the coverage

449
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: has been not great in the last two weeks, as

450
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that. I mean, they only scored ten points

451
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: and the numbers like that weren't there. But those drops

452
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: were on wide open passes. I thought early on the

453
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: defense struggled and got bailed out by Joe Flacco throwing

454
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: a really poor pass on one of his first ones

455
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: of the game, and then the bad drops, So I

456
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: think they have to fix that. And obviously the one

457
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: touchdown drive they had was on a busted coverage when

458
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder I think it was was wide open. And

459
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: if you do that stuff thing in Dallas, you're gonna

460
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: get beat up pretty good in the passing game. So

461
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm watching. I mean, Cardinals are pretty healthy

462
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: on the back end now and they're gonna hope to

463
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: iron that out and we'll see, I think if they

464
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Speaker 1: have the type of personnel that you need. And we

465
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: haven't gotten up Prince of Mukamara yet, but he's the

466
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: guy that they signed to the practice squad. And if

467
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: some of these corners aren't playing up to snuff, you've

468
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: got a veteran who has done it before. It might

469
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: take him some time to get up to speed, but

470
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: now maybe there's a little bit of competition with what

471
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Speaker 1: he brings. You know, if we're gonna talk about Ezekiel

472
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Speaker 1: in the run game and it's stopping the run, what

473
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Speaker 1: about the Cardinals. Let's flip it over real quick, Darren,

474
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: with what we saw of Kenyan Drake late and then

475
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Speaker 1: what we've seen from Jase Edmonds this entire season. I

476
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Speaker 1: think it was Chase right after the game and Cole

477
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: had he called it a three headed rushing attack between him,

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Speaker 1: Kenyon and Kyler Murray. Is that good? Is that good

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals? Is that is that something you think

480
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury aspires to have? But this often mean, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing I don't want to get over our skis

482
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Speaker 1: with some of that. I mean Kyler Murray. We we've

483
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Speaker 1: talked a lot about what he's going to do in

484
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Speaker 1: the run game, and that's not I don't think there's

485
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Speaker 1: going to be this bevy of design runs for Kyler

486
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: Murray every game. There's gonna be a few, and then

487
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: he'll scramble for some, but I don't think it's gonna

488
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Speaker 1: be a regular part of the run game per se.

489
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Speaker 1: And Chase Edmonds only had three carries. It's not like

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Speaker 1: you now, he had a great game and he was

491
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Speaker 1: super effective in a lot of different areas, but it

492
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: was catching the ball too. There was in it was

493
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: a turn game. It's not like they gave him the

494
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Speaker 1: ball eight times on the ground and then you added

495
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: five catches or what. He had three carries. Kenyan Drake

496
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: still had eighteen carries in the game and still was

497
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Speaker 1: the main dude. And so yeah, you want to use

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Speaker 1: them all, but I still think they are desperately trying

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00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: to get Kenyan Drake going in the right direction. I

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Speaker 1: agree with Cliff Kingsbury. I thought he flashed later in

501
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: the game. He got a little bit more north south

502
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: that was necessary I think everybody was starting to notice it.

503
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: You don't want to be in a situation where you're

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Speaker 1: seeing him dance to the point where we were seeing

505
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: David Johnson dance last year and one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: that Kenyan Drake ended up being the guy. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be very curious to see how kind of

508
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: how that proceeds as we go. Every time it's been

509
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Speaker 1: brought up that there's going to be some kind of

510
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: running by committee for this team, ever since Cliff Kingsbury

511
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: comes has come aboard, games have proven otherwise, there's one dude,

512
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: Kyler's going to run a couple of times, and you

513
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Speaker 1: might have the backup, might get a couple of carries.

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Speaker 1: There's one dude, and I I still have not seen

515
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: anything other than lip service that tells me it's going

516
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: to be anything different. I don't mean to be the

517
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: guy that would be in Darren's mail back for example, right,

518
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, coming and just trying to stir it up here.

519
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't want you in my mail back, Paul Well, Kyle,

520
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, Chase Edmonds as well as anyone from what

521
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: I could tell, and in the one game where they

522
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: did feed him last year at the Giants. I mean

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00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: he went off, how good could he be if he

524
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Speaker 1: was the featured back again? I mean, yeah, I kind

525
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: of going down that line of thinking too, or Darren's

526
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct. I mean, even Chase Edmonds has

527
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Speaker 1: a great touchdown run and then I don't think you

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Speaker 1: had another carry in the first half after that, So

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Speaker 1: it's it's definitely been Kenyan Drake a lot. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at the aggregate of this season, Chase Edmonds

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Speaker 1: is averaging five yards per carry and Kenny and Drakes

532
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Speaker 1: at three point seven. So do they start splitting it more?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to get Chase Edmonds more involved? I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's looked fantastic in my eyes the whole season. He

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Speaker 1: seems like he's got a special year, and he's very decisive,

536
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: he's explosive, and I think this is gonna be a

537
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: good test this week to see if Cliff Kingsbury does

538
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: it more, because after Sunday, if you wanted to split

539
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: it up more, you'd have every reason in the world too,

540
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: because Chase Edmonds outplayed Kenyan Drake against the Jets, and

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Speaker 1: if he sticks with KD, it's probably gonna be that. Similarly,

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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. But that being said, Chase

543
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: Edmans played forty five percent of the offensive snaps against

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Speaker 1: New York, which was the season high. He continues to

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00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: trend upward. There. They're doing two back stuff, They're putting

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Speaker 1: him in the slot. It seems like they're making a

547
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: concerted effort to get Chase Edmonds on the field because

548
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: he's been so good. You know what I'm hearing there, Kyle,

549
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: I think sweeps are coming up, and you guys do

550
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: the TV show on game Day. I'm here like a

551
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: sweeps point counterpoint, you know, a sensationalistic you know, you

552
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: guys drop this bomb of a running back controversy story

553
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: on Acy Cardinals dot Com and then you go on

554
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: multi platforms and you stir it up. You know, those

555
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: are some pretty compelling stats over there on Chase Edmonds.

556
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: Does the Internet have sweep sweek? I just tell you

557
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: what I think, Paul. I'm not doing it for sweeps.

558
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know if local TV still as sweeps.

559
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm just going back to local TV newsroom days. But

560
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: what about Larry when he makes the one end and

561
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: grabbed there, Darren, I mean, I think we both jumped

562
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: out of our seats a little bit in New York,

563
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: and is he still underutilized? What if you fed Larry

564
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: a dozen targets, how confident are you he could be?

565
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: He could still be Larry. I'm confident he could if

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00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: he became the focal point. I'm confident he would be

567
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: able to do it. Now, whether you can get your

568
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: offense in some such a way that it made sense

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Speaker 1: to give him twelve targets and you would function the

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00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: way you want to function, I'm not one hundred percent

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00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: sure about that. I mean, I think I think with

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Speaker 1: the penalties or penalties that they did the other day

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00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: that they didn't really like, and I think there were

574
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: some parts of the running game that they wanted to

575
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: have to be more effective. I think the passing game

576
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: was pretty much how Cliff Kingsbury wants it to be,

577
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: which is you're spreading it around, you're finding it. I mean,

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: you could go to all these different parts of the

579
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: game and finding different things. They did involve Larry Fitzgerald

580
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: more than they have, and they should and he should

581
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: be getting a bunch of targets in a game relatively speaking,

582
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Speaker 1: But and he Isabella was targeted a couple of times

583
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: early Christian Kirk had a big first half and then quietly,

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Speaker 1: you know, DeAndre Hopkins had a few catches until that

585
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: one drive where he gets whatever was eighty two yards

586
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: on two catches and changes how his game looks because

587
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, they you kind of lulled them to sleep.

588
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they were probably looking at Hopkins awful carefully

589
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: early and then when they realized they weren't thrown at Adam,

590
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: they tried to shift some stuff. They boom, you take advantage,

591
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's exactly how you want to do it.

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't want them to get

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: to a point where they're forcing stuff. I do think

594
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: they need to look at Fitzgerald more often in the

595
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: offense than they had been, but I don't think you

596
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: need to go too far the other way. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought, for the most part, I liked what Kyler

598
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: Murray did. I thought he did go through his possession progressions.

599
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: He had time to do it. But I liked how

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00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: he did that. He had the one tip pass for

601
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: the interception that wasn't good. I know the other interception

602
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: wasn't good, but you know, and I heard some of

603
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: this discussion on the radio. But quite frankly, that interception

604
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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me at all because I think he threw

605
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: that knowing exactly he was looking right at DeAndre Hopkins.

606
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: He saw DeAndre Hopkins essentially get tackled before he threw

607
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the ball, and he chucked it up to make sure

608
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: he got the penalty. Now you're taking a little bit

609
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: of a risk, I suppose, But I think when Kyler

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Speaker 1: let that ball go, he knew he knew he was

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Speaker 1: getting a penalty there. So I'm not concerned about the

612
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: interception that wasn't so I like the direction he went,

613
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: and again we'll see how it looks against Dallas. I

614
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: know what Kyle liked. I'm burying the lead the fourth

615
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: and one call. I come on, go ahead, three two

616
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: one go. I just I enjoy that there's no backlash

617
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: or criticism when a team goes forward on fourth and

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00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: one and gets it, and then when a team goes

619
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Speaker 1: forward on fourth th one and doesn't get it, like

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer and the Vikings, Oh, how could you go

621
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: for it on fourth and one? Like I would just

622
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: prefer if people were just, i mean, at least equal

623
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Speaker 1: about it, like give give Cliff Kingsbury credit and say

624
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: you did a good job if you think so, and

625
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: if you disagreed with the call, then say you wouldn't

626
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: have done it, even though it worked to Darrell Daniels.

627
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: So I think I'm clearly on record. I thought Mike

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00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: Zimmer going for it was a good call. You needed

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00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: half a foot to win the game, and they didn't

630
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: get it. I think Cliff Kingsbury continually pushing the envelope

631
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: has been a big key to this season. I think

632
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: it's important moving forward. When games come down to the wire,

633
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: sometimes one fourth down decision can meet a lot like

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00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: we saw in this game. The Cardinals are up seventeen ten.

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: If they pump that, the Jets have the ball with

636
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: a chance to tie. And the Cardinals were the better

637
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: team and they probably would have won. But if you

638
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: let a team hang around and then they get a

639
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: pick six or a fumble or something weird happens, that's

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00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: when you can get upset. So I think Cliff Kingsbury

641
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: is doing a great job of trying to keep possession.

642
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: He knows fourth and one you're going to convert probably

643
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: seventy five to eighty percent of the time, and I

644
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals should continue to keep doing what they're doing,

645
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: because having Kyler Murray in that situation makes it so

646
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: hard on a defense to know what's coming. Cardinals are

647
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: now four for four on fourth down, correct, And maybe

648
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I've now to the point where I've been conditioned that

649
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. So when it is fourth and one

650
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: from your own thirty nine and you go for it,

651
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: you know I'm not. I don't get myself in an uproar,

652
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: although I will say my boxer's bunge a little bit.

653
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: When I saw the intended target was Darrell Daniels. When

654
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: you have a blocking, tight end of the ball going,

655
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: it was sot of like Kurt Warner Ice in a

656
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: playoff game on third and sixteen and going to Steven Spock.

657
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: You know, gonna be honest, Paul, I'm like, I feel

658
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: that's a little stereotyping Darrell Daniels at this point, because

659
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: I feel like he's actually shown up pretty well of

660
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: recent vintage as a guy who can catch the ball,

661
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: especially when he's open. Now again, I mean, if you

662
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: don't go to a guy like that, then it's probably

663
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: not as wide open. That's one of the reasons it's

664
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: so wide open, is because it's Darrell Daniels. I will

665
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: say this. I think as we see analytics see much

666
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: more into the league and teams going forward on fourth

667
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: down or perhaps going for two point conversions, I think

668
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I think we've got to get to that point where

669
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: we have to understand why it's happening and not freak

670
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: out as much. It makes me think so much of

671
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: the Minnesota fourth down call. I mean, he was inches

672
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: away from making that, and obviously Russell Wilson had to

673
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: come down and score, but like if he scores, not

674
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: one person is saying you should have kicked the field

675
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: goal to Mike Zimmer, not one, and because he didn't.

676
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: And I think we really have to get past that

677
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: point where it's like is the decision right in the moment,

678
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and not is the decision right because of the result,

679
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: Because if something doesn't work, you're always going to say

680
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have done That's that's killer hindsight. And I

681
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: just I feel like I like the fact that he

682
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: goes on fourth and short. They've shown that they can

683
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: convert those things. I don't think they do it lightly.

684
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: And you know, again, if we were in the old

685
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: school football where games ended seventeen to ten all the time.

686
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: Those possessions are scary. But in games where teams are

687
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: scoring thirty points in a game, oftentimes, I don't think

688
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: one possession turning it over and losing field position of

689
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: thirty yards or so is the death knell that it

690
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: once was. And I know you guys gonna disagree, especially Kyle,

691
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: but here we go. It's gonna come and blow back

692
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: right in my face right now. It's a different decision

693
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: to me when you're going against Russell Wilson when the

694
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: game's on the line and there's the risk of giving

695
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: the ball back to the guy who is with Aaron

696
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers absolutely clutch with the game on the line, who

697
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: is the leading MVP candidate right there with Aaron Rodgers

698
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: Versus I'll due respect the Jets and backup Joe Flacco.

699
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a totally in a chance to go up

700
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: eight points and force them to hit the end zone twice. Yeah,

701
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I am. Maybe I'm one of the only guys, but

702
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: when I saw that happening, I gave me real pause.

703
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, and then of course I hated

704
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: it because it was easy to hate it once it

705
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't work but all right, I don't want to cut you.

706
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I know you got a lot to stay on this, Kyle,

707
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: so I don't want to cut you off. But I

708
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: gotta say this real quick. You're right that you make

709
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson go twice there, Paul. But if you make

710
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: the first down, Russell Wilson becomes immaterial for the rest

711
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: of the game. And to me, that's the best kind

712
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson. Immaterial Russell Wilson. That's one of the

713
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: reasons I would have gone for. But here, I'll that's

714
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. I mean, if if you

715
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: don't want to give Russell Wilson the ball, if you

716
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: run it, you get a first down. He doesn't get

717
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: the ball at all. Yeah, But the problem is the

718
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: game's now on the line. Whereas the best the worst

719
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: outcome if if you kicked the fuel goal is over time,

720
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: the worst outcome in that sequence is exactly what happened.

721
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: You lose. So once again, it's the risk reward, it's

722
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: the cost benefit. We lose. The regulation you easily dismissed

723
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: it was the numbers were crunched and basically it was

724
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: a coin flip. But like even the analytics said, if

725
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: you kicked the field goal, it would have been fine

726
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: either way. Your win probability was something like So they

727
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: were in a great position either way. And obviously every

728
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: single thing went right for the Seahawks where they made

729
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: the stop, they got it on fourth and ten, they

730
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: got the last play of the game a touchdown. Seahawks

731
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: needed a lot to go right, and if the Vikings

732
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: to kick the field goal, they still would have needed

733
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: a lot to go right. So I don't I mean,

734
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: if they kicked it, it wouldn't have been that big

735
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: a deal to me. I don't think it was the

736
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: goal for its situation. But I do feel like anytime

737
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: you can win the game by getting half a foot,

738
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: it's pretty good odds to do so. And I don't

739
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fall to coach for saying, hey,

740
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I think I can get six inches to win a

741
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: football game. Coach Cliff told us on Gameplay this weekly

742
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: TV show. He might have said the same after the

743
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: game that yes, analytics are a factor, but it's far

744
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: from the only factor him making those decisions. That there's

745
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: anecdotal information. Guys coming up to him, what do you see?

746
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: What do you think this play? Could work. We'd like

747
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: this play a practice lot in this case with Steve Hyden,

748
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach, who is responsible for the play design.

749
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: What's the momentum of the game. How do you do

750
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: you like a way your lines coming off the ball,

751
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: for example. So it's interesting, it's it's a head coach's decision,

752
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and it's more than just the math of the decision.

753
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: At least that was what coach Cliff told us. Yeah,

754
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: the play design has definitely gotten lost in the whole thing.

755
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Like you have to execute the play. Just because it's

756
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: fourth and one doesn't mean you're automatically gonna get it

757
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time. If you run anything, I mean,

758
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: you gotta run a good play and you got you

759
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: gotta use the right pieces. And that's why I think

760
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: the Cardinals going forward a lot makes sense, both in

761
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: the analytics world and because of the way they're built.

762
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: When you have Kyler Murray as that extra running option.

763
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: Like I looked at the Saints game and on fourth

764
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: and one, you know Drew Brees isn't carrying that football.

765
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: So when you've got Kyler, and when you've got the

766
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: horizontal game and you're used to throwing it side to side.

767
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are well built to get you know, one

768
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: to four yards on a play, and that's why I

769
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: think a reason why they're so effective. The Minnesota game

770
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: was was perfect like they did. They showed an overhead shot.

771
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: If the running back had just bounced to between right

772
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: tack on right guard instead of between the center and

773
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: right guard, there was a hole there. He would have

774
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: gotten the first down, but he took the wrong path essentially,

775
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: and that goes back to Kyle's execution, you know, and

776
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: coach Club told us, yes, there is a spot in

777
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: laminated playsheet with the nuclear codes if you will, the

778
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: super extra place the Glen Garry leads, if you will,

779
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: there's a section of that laminated playsheet where you've got

780
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: those when you gotta have it, it's right there at

781
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: your disposal. So which makes me wonder, Kyle, what's in

782
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: store in Dallas. You can't I don't care what Coach

783
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: Cliff says this week, going into Dallas to play the

784
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys as a native Texan right hashtag Texas forever, and

785
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: you're going in on Monday night football in that stadium

786
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: somewhere he's never been as an NFL head coach, at

787
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: least on the biggest stage man, there's got to be

788
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: something that he say he saved up those that long

789
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: sleeved shirt he wears on every game day. Yeah, I

790
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: do think it's a balance. Like if if you looked

791
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: at what they did against the Jets, there was no

792
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: reason to get super tricky in New York because, like

793
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: we talked about, you're averaging ten point three yards for

794
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: past attempt Just keep on throwing it, it doesn't matter.

795
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Just be run your normal offense. But now I think

796
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: in Dallas, then the natural idea is to be creative

797
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: because you're known as this creative guy, you're on Prime Time,

798
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: You're you're playing in front of a national audience for

799
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: one of the first times, and you don't want to

800
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: do things that are too risky or are taking away

801
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: from your normal offense. I think Cliff Kingsbury has gotten

802
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: a really nice grasp of that, especially probably halfway through

803
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: last season. He really picked his spots and most of

804
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: his trick plays were effective. So we'll see. I mean

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: he might he might roll one out early. He did

806
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: a flea flicker in New Orleans last year and some

807
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: different stuff against certain teams, but the fact that the

808
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: Cardinal's offense played so well last week and that they're

809
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: favored in this game, I'm not sure that it's going

810
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: to be a bunch of trickiness because I feel like

811
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals personnel on offense is better than Dallas's personnel

812
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: on defense. So let's just stay on schedule and run

813
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: our basic offense. If it's working, that's that's what That's

814
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: the first thing I think of is if we're going

815
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: to sit here and say Dallas's defense isn't that good,

816
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: and we're going to sit here and say that the

817
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: Cardinal's offense seem to find itself a little bit last week,

818
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: why would you mess around and get get two sideways

819
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: on it. I get what you're saying, but I don't

820
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: think there's any greater statement that Cliff Kingsbury could make

821
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: on Monday night than to walk out of that stadium

822
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: with a victory over the Dallas Cowboys. I think that's

823
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: the ultimate statement that he could make. And you want

824
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: to do it however a way it works, and to me,

825
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: if you play it somewhat straight with some of the

826
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: offensive talent that you have, then you do it that way.

827
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: Of course, you got a second year quarterback who's from

828
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: the Dallas area and Monday night football against the Cowboys.

829
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got to be He'll be a basketcase

830
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: by kickoff. Oh no, wait a minute. He played there

831
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: as a sophomore in high school in front of fifty

832
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: thousand plus fans. So I mean, if anybody's experienced, it's

833
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: your second year quarterback, that just the incomprehensible to me.

834
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Even there'll be fewer fans Monday night than they'll work

835
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: for championship games. It's so twenty twenty, is it not.

836
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: It's just so absurd this circumstances that Kyler Murray's going back.

837
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: And to think that he played in that stadium as

838
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: a sophomore as a junior in high school and they

839
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: won big school state titles. Kyle, he went what forty

840
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: three in o in high school, And so I just

841
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: think it's it's hilarious. Guys will come to Kyler to

842
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: ask what it's like to play in that stadium, Guys

843
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: who've never done it before. Yeah, and this game is

844
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to me because he, like you said,

845
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: he has the experience. He's a very low key guy,

846
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: and it seems like He's never been affected by the

847
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: big spotlight on him, But is it different in his

848
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: hometown knowing he's got friends and family in the building

849
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: and everybody's there to see him and they've known him

850
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: since he was five years old or whatever. And that part,

851
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, will he try to dazzle? Will he do

852
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: a little bit out of the offense because he wants

853
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: to show that he can really be a star in

854
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: this league? And it goes back to me from last

855
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: year when he took too many sacks early on because

856
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: he tried to keep plays alive. And this season we

857
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: have not seen that at all. The sack total has

858
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: drastically decreased. The Cardinals are doing a really nice job

859
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: in protection, and Kyler Murray has been really good making

860
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: decisions and throwing the ball away when he has to.

861
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Does that change at all with the bright lights in

862
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: his hometown. I don't think it will, But there is

863
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: that little part of me that wonders if he will

864
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: be affected by the situation. So justin Pugh real quick

865
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: on the old line, graded out real high in Week

866
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: one against the Niners and that big defensive front before

867
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: they were banged up. I think he was second overall

868
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL pass blocking grade didn' Dj Humphries rank

869
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: real high this week. DJ Humphries just got the highest

870
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus grade among any offensive player in the

871
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: NFL this week, so he got a ninety three point

872
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: one grade. He was really good in pass blocking. He

873
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: didn't allow a pressure in forty three snaps according to

874
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. And then in run blocking he was

875
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: really good, which we've seen a lot. I mean, he's

876
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: a very good run blocker. So maybe it's coming together

877
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: for DJ Humphries, who has a lot of talent. And

878
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: it was the Jets, so you have to realize the

879
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: caliber of competition. And he's gonna face de Marcus Lawrence

880
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: and Alden Smith this week, which is a big change.

881
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the offensive line has been really,

882
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: really solid all season, and if they can keep that up,

883
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: I think really this offense is going to start clicking.

884
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: And it was interesting to hear Kelvin Beacham this week

885
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: talked to the media and say, yeah, you guys can

886
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: site the sacks and we just care about our quarterback

887
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: getting hit. We don't want Kyler getting hit, period. And

888
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: so with that in mind, he cited a lot of

889
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: different areas in which they can get better, and so

890
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: that was good to hear. Davandre Campbell held the defense

891
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: accountable and cited a bunch of different areas where the

892
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: defense can still get better. Maybe the best thing though

893
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: about Monday Night and it was intriguing to watch the

894
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Saints Chargers game. Not the Chargers blow another seventeen point

895
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: lead and lose another game by a single score after

896
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: they lost nine single score games a year ago. No,

897
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: not all right, Paul. Maybe I'm coming to your side

898
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: where I say single score games are always luck, but

899
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: the Chargers keep on doing it. Oh my gosh. But

900
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: what was in and it's always still kind of cool

901
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: ever since I was a little kid and you're watching

902
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Monday in football is to see the promo for the

903
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: next week, when you see your team and you see

904
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: your quarterback featured, and it's the promo for the next week,

905
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: and used to anticipation starts to build and there's still

906
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: so I know Sunday Night is now the premier showcase

907
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: and all that, but there's still something cool about the

908
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: Monday Night football, especially when the latest ratings came out

909
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: in eighteen of the top twenty rated TV shows in

910
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty have been NFL telecast, so you know the

911
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: eyeballs are going to be there, Kyle, Yeah, if you're

912
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, national perspective and aesthetics. Certainly, the

913
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: Cardinals are sitting here looking like a team that can

914
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: capture a lot of attention because of Kyler Murray, because

915
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: of Cliff Kingsbury in the offense, and it seems like

916
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: a team that's on the rise and sitting at three

917
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: and two. If you beat the Cowboys on national television

918
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: and score a lot of points, I think that's going

919
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: to pique the interest of a lot of people. And

920
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: then suddenly you're four too, going into a game against

921
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. So really a pivotal game for the Cardinals,

922
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: not only in the season, but perceptive wise. I mean,

923
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: the local fans know a lot about this team, but nationally,

924
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't get a lot of publicity. They're not

925
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: on these primetime games a lot. If you win this one,

926
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: I think all of a sudden, people are gonna be

927
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: paying a lot more attention to the team in the desert. Yeah. Honestly,

928
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: if you want attention, play the Cowboys on Monday Night. Yeah,

929
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean Honestly, you're gonna get a guaranteed America's Team audience.

930
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: You just are. They just get whether they're good or bad.

931
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: When they're in primetime, they get a lot of attention,

932
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: they get a lot of viewerships. So you're right, if

933
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: you could pick a single opponent to try and showcase

934
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: your own team, then play Dallas on Monday Night, and

935
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe the best thing for Kyler do your point about

936
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: how many potential distractions there could be. Maybe the best

937
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: thing is that there's a bubble and there are strict

938
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: protocols against you interacting with anyone, anyone, even the lowly

939
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: pencil neck sideline guy. We went to Santa Clara, where

940
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: I grew up, I couldn't visit with my parents. We

941
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: went to Carolina, DJ Humphreys. I went five miles from

942
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: where the team hotel was. His family was, and he

943
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: couldn't connect with his family. So maybe the best thing

944
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: for Kyler to minimize and mitigate all the potential distractions is,

945
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I guess what, You can't break the bubble in the

946
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: team hotel basically where where they were so bored on

947
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: Darren on Saturday that I saw I saw Larry takedown

948
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: Team doctor Wayne Cool. So Doc Cool got taken down

949
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: by Larry and chess on Saturday, and I was so

950
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: bored I almost started teaching myself chess off YouTube. Why

951
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you You should have recorded that chess game

952
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: that would have gotten all kinds of viral hits. Larry

953
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald playing chess with a team Doctor Well, there were

954
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: some menacing security guys where flanking them. Then they kind

955
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: of gave me an evil eye, like hey you you

956
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: media guy. Keep moving, keep going, keep walking, keep walking.

957
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: So all I got was a visual I am. I

958
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: am curious to know exactly how you know. I'm more

959
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: kind on a story this week Paul about Kyler's high

960
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: school days and the magic that he had for those

961
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: three years when he started and won every single game

962
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: that he started for those three years and a forty

963
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: three game winning streak and three state championships and crazy

964
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: stats and everything, and it look, the Cowboys are the

965
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: cowboys there, and I'm curious to know who's rooting for who.

966
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean, can you root for Kyler and do to

967
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: do well and still have the Cowboys win, because I

968
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of the direction it's going to go.

969
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: And The other thing that I thought was really funny

970
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: is and talking to the coaches. Some of the guys

971
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: that played that are now coaches there or his ex

972
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: head coach who actually is at another school. Now. None

973
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: of them are going to the game, and none of

974
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: them are actually going to sit down and watch the game.

975
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: You wanted a lie because it's Monday night and there's

976
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: games Friday for them, and it's coaching football and high

977
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: school football and Texas is a seven day week job.

978
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: And they'll have it on in the background. They all say,

979
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: but they're not going to be paying that close to

980
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: attention because there's just too much work to do. Come on,

981
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: high school coaches are gonna be grinding film all Monday night.

982
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: Are you not paying attention of like Texas high school football?

983
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: It's a whole different world. Well, you know, I mean,

984
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I was, You're getting paid like one hundred and fifty

985
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: grand just to be the coach. You don't even have

986
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: to teach. I have seen Friday Night Lights about fourteen

987
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: times and Smash Williams, you know, I mean, I consider

988
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: myself somewhat knowledgeable, and I remember, you know, and then

989
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: there was there was there was the TV show where

990
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Kyle, Right, Kyle Chandler

991
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: won like Emmy for Best Actor one year. I do

992
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: remember that, you know, so you know, so I'm on board.

993
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Kelvin Beecham said that growing up where he

994
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: grew up, which is a small town in Texas, he

995
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: told us in the Big Red Rage, Yes, it was

996
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: every bit Friday night lights, the whole town would close down,

997
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: they would play their game, whole town would empty out

998
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: and go on the road. So you know, don't forget

999
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: by the way, that Josh Jones quote. Remember Josh Jones

1000
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: undrafted and he met the media, and he said as

1001
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: a kid growing up in the Houston area that they

1002
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: would watch Kyler Murray film from when he was in

1003
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: high school. All the other high schools around the state

1004
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: would watch his film and just go, oh my god,

1005
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: this is just stupid. Look at how good this kid is.

1006
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: I was talking to Bobby Evans, who's a reserved tackle

1007
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: for the Los Angeles Rams, and I was asking him like,

1008
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: at the time, did you have any doubt you saw

1009
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: him doing all this magical stuff, But I mean, did

1010
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: you have any doubts he was eventually going to be

1011
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. He's like, no, he goes, I know

1012
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: all these people kept saying all this stuff about how

1013
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: small he was, but he goes, his tackles were me

1014
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: and Greg Little of the Panthers. He goes, so he

1015
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: was playing behind NFL sized lineman. He goes, well, there

1016
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be a problem. Oh my gosh, that's it.

1017
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: And he okay, now, this is one thing I want

1018
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: to understand. He transferred into Alan, right, And didn't you

1019
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: more a sophomore year? Yes, And so you interviewed the

1020
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: quarterback who he replaced. I did. I talked to the

1021
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: guy who was the senior, Oliver Pierce. He was the

1022
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: senior quarterback who was supposed to be the senior quarterback

1023
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: when Kyler first moved in, and Oliver Pierce did start

1024
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: at quarterback Kyler sophomore year to begin with, and then

1025
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: about a third of the way through the season, Kyler

1026
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: was already playing and they were a powerhouse team anyways,

1027
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: and Kyler was already seeing a little bit of action

1028
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: because they get up on teams. But there was a

1029
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: game in mid season where they struggled, Kyler came in,

1030
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: got them to overtime. They ended up losing in overtime.

1031
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: But that's when Tom Westerberg, the coach, decided, you know

1032
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: what best thing is for to move Oliver Pierce back

1033
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: to the slot where he had played before he was

1034
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: a senior as a receiver and make Kyler Murray my quarterback.

1035
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: And from then on Alan won forty three straight games

1036
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray on the roster. He only won forty

1037
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: two of them. He apparently sat out one game with

1038
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: an injury and they still won that game, but won

1039
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: all the games, put up crazy numbers. And again, Kyler

1040
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: Murray was playing in the highest level of Texas high

1041
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: school football against the best that they had to offer.

1042
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: So when he was playing, especially in the playoffs and

1043
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: in their non district schedule, they were playing the best

1044
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: teams there were and he was going against teams. Somebody

1045
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: mentioned De Soto one of the teams that they beat

1046
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: a couple of times. You know, Desto would have forty

1047
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: of their guys on the roster, tod D one scholarships,

1048
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: thirty and fourty guys. I mean that these are like,

1049
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: this is where college football, this is one of the pipelines.

1050
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: And he was playing and beating those teams. Well, you

1051
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: know what happened with coach Westerberg was he had four

1052
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: sales signs in his yard after they had that overtime loss.

1053
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: So then he said, I got to make the change

1054
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: of quarterback, you know, just like Friday night lights, and

1055
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna want know I looked when he ended

1056
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: up taking that job in Houston in twenty sixteen, he

1057
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: took a job at a Houston high school after Kyler

1058
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: had left and they had won another championship. I think

1059
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I think his record at Allan was one hundred and

1060
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: forty eight and seventeen, so I'm not one hundred percent

1061
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: sure he ever had the signs in the front yard.

1062
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: He didn't grind enough tape on the Monday evening of

1063
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: the overtime games, so that's why they lost. He said,

1064
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: never again. Well, Kyle, you know this. If you want

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: to get a sense, all you have to do, and

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00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: Darren's gonna have a great story, but really, what you

1067
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: need to do, Darren, instead of that whole story, just

1068
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: take the whole week off and all you need to

1069
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: do is post a link to a picture of the

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00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: Allen High School football stadium. And it is a stadium

1071
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: because it's a double deck stadium that sees like thirty

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: five thousand fans or something ridiculous like that. It looks

1073
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: like a max stadium, like a mid major stadium. I believe.

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00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: I have to double check, but I believe they opened

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00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: that the first year. Kyler was at ally wow wow.

1076
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why they needed him in the lineup.

1077
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: He needed that star power. It's kind of like Matt

1078
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Leinart in two thousand and six. Hey, they're probably they're

1079
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: probably charging PSLs. They're probably got personal seat licenses going

1080
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: in that thing too. His trajectory would have been interesting

1081
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: if he was from say the Northeaster something. It reminds

1082
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: me of the Mike Trout story where Mike Trout dominated

1083
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: the competition in New Jersey, but he went in the

1084
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: middle of the first round because teams weren't sure about

1085
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: the caliber competition. And if Kyler Murray does that in

1086
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: a non football powerhouse state, do people wonder if at

1087
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: five ten he can have that type of success in college?

1088
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: Is he the same highly ranked prospect. I mean, I

1089
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: know they have camps, and he would have gone to

1090
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: camps and obviously done well, but I don't know if

1091
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: he would have been this five Star Camp, miss prospect

1092
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: going into college and how much does that change his

1093
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: college experience? And obviously baseball was always on the table,

1094
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: so a lot of what ifs there, but clearly showing

1095
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: it against a team that had forty D one kids,

1096
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: it proves a lot. I got. Here's the question, Kyle,

1097
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: if he doesn't go to Allen, how different is he

1098
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: in press conferences since he was doing press conferences when

1099
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: he was fourteen years old? From what I was told, well,

1100
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: all I know is when in Front End wrapped up

1101
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: the TV show, Michael B. Jordan was the quarterback, was

1102
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: the dual threat quarterback who has since appeared in numerous movies,

1103
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: including Creed one and Creed two, which I had the

1104
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: misfortune of watching Creed two on the team flight out

1105
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: to New York. So I was once again the answer too.

1106
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: I was so bored. Not only did I think about

1107
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: teaching myself chess, but I actually watched Creed two from

1108
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: start to finish. So there you go. That's truly. It's

1109
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: just I'm looking at up Jim and Mohundros helping us

1110
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: out here. They opened that stadium on my birthday actually

1111
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, August thirty first two and twelve. So

1112
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: it was the first year. Was Kyler Murray's first year

1113
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: there as a sophomore, So he christened that stadium in

1114
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: a good way. Obviously they never were losing, so that's

1115
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: a that's a good thing, all right. Any quotes from

1116
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: Smash Williams in your story, you know, Friday Night Lights Fame,

1117
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: anything like that, No, okay. I actually I never watched

1118
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: the TV show. I just saw the movie a couple

1119
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: of times, and I read the book. I actually read

1120
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: the book. I did the book. Compared to the movie,

1121
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: by the way, I never did read the book. The

1122
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: book was unbetterable, excellent. Well, I mean the book was

1123
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: a true story. It was buzz bischings. You're falling around

1124
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: this high school team for a year. It would It's

1125
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: something that I would have loved to do at some point.

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00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: It's a great book. Permian High School. Yeah, yeah, Well,

1127
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: and then there's a Chandler team where I get like

1128
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: a dozen kids from Colorado transferred in because of the

1129
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: COVID protocols and they couldn't play in Colorado, and a

1130
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: dozen kids transferred into one of the Chandeler high school

1131
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: teams and a bunch of starters got replaced because all

1132
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: these blue Chippers came in from Colorado. So yeah, high

1133
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: schools a whole other thing Texas anymore. That reminds me

1134
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: when Mike Bibby brought his son and his club team

1135
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: into Shadow Mountain and they basically replaced the whole varsity

1136
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: team when they moved in as freshmen, and that tough

1137
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: Tiddley Winks were all better they were. I asked a

1138
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: couple of kids about that one time, who were juniors

1139
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: on varsity at Highland High School and then as seniors

1140
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: juniors they played and they were like two and twenty seniors.

1141
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: All the new guys moved in that were stars and

1142
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: they were bench warmers, and they won the state championship.

1143
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: I said, which year was more fun? Winning the title

1144
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: or going to and twenty and playing. They chose to

1145
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: going too and twenty and being on the court. Yeah,

1146
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: which sums up my high school career. And it's a

1147
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: good place to end this edition of Cardinals Underground.