Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: I have seen the doctor and he has seen me.
Speaker 2: Famous line from the movie Arthur Wow.
Speaker 3: So I joined the show an hour or two. So
Speaker 3: here's what I did. Remember, do you remember anybody listening
Speaker 3: to this show. Remember I was sick last week and
Speaker 3: part of the week before, and assumed that I was
Speaker 3: on the tail end of it, as I had been
Speaker 3: to a doctor and they said it was, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you'll have for ten days or whatever.
Speaker 3: I went ahead with our scheduled trip to San Diego
Speaker 3: that I had for the family and my son I
Speaker 3: had started having this illness to and we both got
Speaker 3: sicker during this trip. So it turned out to not
Speaker 3: to be the greatest idea to try to go on
Speaker 3: a vacation uh ill like this. My son has now
Speaker 3: declared this is the sickest he's ever been yike, which
Speaker 3: I think is true. I told the doctor yesterday, I said,
Speaker 3: I'm old, and this is in the top five, certainly
Speaker 3: of all time. But so when we were landed in
Speaker 3: San Diego. Both of our heads are full of uh
Speaker 3: whatever your head gets full of when you're sick, and
Speaker 3: our ears. I thought my head was going to explode.
Speaker 3: I thought my ears were going to explode. I've never
Speaker 3: had that happen before ever. I mean, I've had some
Speaker 3: ear pain on a plane before, but.
Speaker 2: Never like this.
Speaker 1: And my satary blood on passengers to your right and
Speaker 1: left right.
Speaker 3: My son was a couple of seats away from He
Speaker 3: was stomping his feet because he didn't want to yell
Speaker 3: out loud.
Speaker 2: And make a scene.
Speaker 3: So much pain. He was just miserable. Couldn't release the pressure.
Speaker 3: Oh no, we never have. There hasn't gone in five days.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Wow.
Speaker 3: He mostly hung out in bed. My other son's perfectly healthy.
Speaker 3: Luckily he didn't catch it, so God. We went cruising
Speaker 3: around in a boat on the bay and did all
Speaker 3: this stuff for a couple.
Speaker 2: Of days, and I was just dying.
Speaker 1: He just absolutely dying, you know, trying to keep the
Speaker 1: vacation going.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, has anybody slapped a name on this yet or
Speaker 1: is it just a rest?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Is the only reason I bring it up because it
Speaker 3: might be something to learn from this, something I didn't know.
Speaker 3: So I went to the doctor yesterday, same doctor that
Speaker 3: i'd seen a week earlier, and I said, tomorrow, which
Speaker 3: is today, will be we a day fourteen. So I've
Speaker 3: had this for fourteen days and if anything, it's getting worse.
Speaker 3: It's certainly not getting better. And say they declared that
Speaker 3: it's so everybody tests you for strip throat.
Speaker 2: The sore throat is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It's like you're swallowing a razorblade every time you swallow,
Speaker 3: and it's been that way.
Speaker 2: For two freaking weeks. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, they said, everybody tests for strip throat, but there's
Speaker 3: lots of bacterial in facts like strip throat that don't
Speaker 3: have a name that they don't test for because they're
Speaker 3: you know, they're not as popular or whatever. And you
Speaker 3: have one of those. Yeah, So they gave me, they said,
Speaker 3: the nuclear option of antibiotics for me and my son,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we'll be fine in forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: But I normally used only for end stage ebol of
Speaker 3: patients in Africa, bol of patients who have gone a
Speaker 3: rhea oh both before they usually give you this, Well.
Speaker 2: You're having a bad week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you gotta choose your mates, your romance is better.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 3: I have tried to power through so many things in
Speaker 3: my life with an illness, and usually successfully.
Speaker 1: This one did not work on vacation and Sam was dying.
Speaker 1: I was just dying, just dying, like, how are we
Speaker 1: going to go to the airport and do security and
Speaker 1: do this whole thing? How we're gonna do it?
Speaker 2: Was terrible. It's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: Oh, we stayed on our friend Dave's boat and that
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at least that's fairly RESTful. Right, No, there
Speaker 2: is no resting. Nobody rested.
Speaker 1: Everybody's coughing in parents looking for the positive side.
Speaker 2: Ah wow, okay. So, but because I've.
Speaker 3: Been quite sick, I haven't been following news. Tell me
Speaker 3: what's the story my hair? If I had and he
Speaker 3: was supposed to be on fire about today? What am
Speaker 3: I supposed to be concerned about today?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: I think the headline is that your head is being
Speaker 1: blasted with the cooling waters of moderation and not on fire.
Speaker 1: As Trump has come out and said, I have no
Speaker 1: intention of.
Speaker 2: Firing Jerome Powell. Oh Jerry, are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Him?
Speaker 1: We go way back and also in all these tariffs
Speaker 1: on China, they're very, very high.
Speaker 2: We should probably work out something better.
Speaker 1: And so the markets yesterday reacted with oh thank god
Speaker 1: and skyrocketed. Having crater in the previous day or two
Speaker 1: and the whiplash of will he or won't he? What's
Speaker 1: the official policy has continued. So financially speaking, we're on
Speaker 1: the downward crest of a waiver or upward. I guess
Speaker 1: upward is better, so that that's good.
Speaker 3: I talked to a small businessman in San Diego about
Speaker 3: the tariffs, off to tell that story later, and he's
Speaker 3: telling me what it was going to do to him.
Speaker 2: Just wipe him out. Really, Yeah, because all this stuff
Speaker 2: comes from China.
Speaker 1: Did you say anything about how long it would take
Speaker 1: him or how expensive it would be to retool his
Speaker 1: supply lines and remake his business for a new world.
Speaker 2: His particular thing of selling stuff that he gets from China.
Speaker 2: He just wouldn't be doable. I don't think. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: what was I going to say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Then I did listen to Hi Katie, how are you?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 2: I'm doing better than you, Jack.
Speaker 3: Most people usually are. I mean, yeah, again, that's not
Speaker 3: much of a statement. Yeah, was I gonna say o,
Speaker 3: not in general. I'm not joining on with that. That's
Speaker 3: just that would be abusing a second man I just met.
Speaker 3: In terms of your physical health, debatable, Yeah, okay, true,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm probably probably below average most of the time.
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to be right exactly, just statistically doing a
Speaker 1: favor to the above average.
Speaker 2: You're a giver, Joe, Stop beating the sick guy.
Speaker 3: We'll stay in the United States of America. To be fair,
Speaker 3: half of the country is below average. Their lives are
Speaker 3: going below average, So it's not hard to believe that
Speaker 3: I'm in that half. I think I can see the
Speaker 3: line from here like the fife right right. Sure, anyway,
Speaker 3: I probably have days where I'm slightly above average.
Speaker 2: But I'm supposed to let you guys know that.
Speaker 5: The actual news story of the day is that Lizzo
Speaker 5: has announced that she's lost sixteen percent of her body fat.
Speaker 3: I noticed when she was the musical guest on SNL
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. That's not the same a
Speaker 3: Lizzo as before. It's just much half a Lizzo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was half a Lizzo. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm in the camp of if Lizzo assassinates the president
Speaker 1: or cures cancer. I want to hear about her, but
Speaker 1: otherwise no, but that was her whole act was fat acceptance.
Speaker 1: And look how beautiful I am at this weight. So
Speaker 1: why is she musing.
Speaker 2: All the weight?
Speaker 1: Probably because it was killing her, because obesity is incredibly unhealthy.
Speaker 3: And then remember she had all those backup dancers who
Speaker 3: were every bit as big as her, and then she
Speaker 3: made fun of them for being fat.
Speaker 2: Yes, somehow I got in trouble for that.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you for weighing in with that, Katie,
Speaker 1: No pun intended, right, Scott.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, hey, Well one thing I did listen to
Speaker 3: a podcast that explained how Trump absolutely has the power
Speaker 3: too or should have the power to fire Jerome Powell.
Speaker 3: There is a law that he can't, but that law
Speaker 3: is clearly unconstitutional.
Speaker 2: And if they fire are.
Speaker 1: We talking about Humphreys Executor Jack, the famous Supreme Court case.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but as the head of the executive
Speaker 1: branch and he hires the guy, obviously he can fire
Speaker 1: the guy. So if that law went to the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court they would declare it unconstitutional almost certainly. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: history of that sort of thing, the executive branch starting
Speaker 1: quasi independent agencies comes from the era of the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: where that was like decades and decades long activist lefty
Speaker 1: court that said, yeah, that's fine, and it is. It
Speaker 1: is on very slippery and weird ground constitutionally. I'd love
Speaker 1: to talk to a learned expert on that topic at
Speaker 1: some point, because it is strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing about that to me was one,
Speaker 3: I don't think he should fire the FED chair And
Speaker 3: as you say, today's news is it doesn't look like
Speaker 3: he's going to.
Speaker 1: It would be incredibly counterproductive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the mainstream media acting like that's, you know,
Speaker 3: clearly a dictator move to do that, And then I
Speaker 3: listened to people who know what they're actually talking about. No,
Speaker 3: he'd be challenging a law that's almost certainly unconstant. Really
Speaker 3: not exactly a dictator move. So I don't know the
Speaker 3: claiming that, how are you supposed to know what's going on?
Speaker 1: I wrote.
Speaker 3: Producer Sean used to say, every news story comes with
Speaker 3: the homework assignment. Unless you want to do the homework assignment,
Speaker 3: you don't know what's.
Speaker 2: Happening, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually began the show with the theme being that
Speaker 1: you generally have two sides pitching. They're trying to litigate
Speaker 1: the issue and they're completely unbalanced and not looking at it.
Speaker 1: And we're going to try to bring some clarity today
Speaker 1: and have some great examples of that coming up, like
Speaker 1: the war against the universities doing exactly the right thing,
Speaker 1: maybe in the wrong way, but you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of that. Also have some great stuff
Speaker 1: on immigration and the difference in the reaction to the
Speaker 1: same policies by the left depending whose guy is in
Speaker 1: the White House.
Speaker 3: It is hilarious. I saw Rubio statement that he's not
Speaker 3: going to the next peace talks meeting between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 3: So that's not going the right direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last week he said he'd go if it looked
Speaker 1: like there was any point in going, and his decision
Speaker 1: to not go, mmmm spas.
Speaker 3: And him saying his boss, Donald J. Trump might have
Speaker 3: other priorities. If this is not working out, so then.
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: So one more, you asked what are the big stories
Speaker 1: of the day. One more that's getting extremely little attention.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to make sure I'm not lying
Speaker 1: to you here, as I so often am shameless.
Speaker 2: I'm just scanning. Let's see.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it is cruelly underreported. And the reason I
Speaker 1: bring this up is partly because I've been saying for
Speaker 1: a very long time, and I've been a bit of
Speaker 1: a lonely voice on this. The question of radical Islam
Speaker 1: versus the West is far from decided.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it took a bit of a little break,
Speaker 2: you know, the post post nine to eleven thing.
Speaker 1: But you've got the Huthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and
Speaker 1: their Iranian proxies, and everybody talks about that and describes them,
Speaker 1: you know, with words like that, and it's accurate, but
Speaker 1: their Islamic supremacists, that's at the core of their being,
Speaker 1: and so much of the mainstream and sometimes even the
Speaker 1: conservative Ish media is uncomfortable describing them with that sort
Speaker 1: of term. And the reason I bring it up is
Speaker 1: yesterday Islamist terrorists killed more than twenty five tourists in India.
Speaker 1: The number of folks who've died is the count is ongoing,
Speaker 1: and some folks are clinging to life. More than twenty
Speaker 1: five tourists in India slaughtered by Islamist lunatics. The attack
Speaker 1: took place in Kashmir, a region that many in the
Speaker 1: Muslim majority Pakistan say, is occupied by Hindu majority India
Speaker 1: and ought to be part of Pakistan. If you don't
Speaker 1: know the story of the partition of Indian Pakistan among.
Speaker 2: Or along sectarian lines.
Speaker 1: Back in this was it the fifties or the sixties?
Speaker 1: I can never remember. There's too much history anyway. Just
Speaker 1: there's bloody history, bloody and horrible and like a perfect
Speaker 1: example of what happens when you divide societies based on
Speaker 1: religion or color of skin or whatever.
Speaker 3: I got a good story from being the San Diego
Speaker 3: Bay to get back into that as Lamas thing.
Speaker 2: Whenever you decide to talk about it, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna use that line for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: I can't remember something, you know, there's too much history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many people doing so many things. How can
Speaker 1: you remember it? I told my teacher, that's just so
Speaker 1: many things, too much history. You're in charge of ending this,
Speaker 1: all right. We've got a lot of good stuff to come.
Speaker 1: Hope you can stick around it. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for tuning in. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1: Big news on the border, court battles, immigration numbers, etc.
Speaker 2: Coming up in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: Next segment, first, a couple of stories from the world
Speaker 1: of science. We are joined at least temporarily by the
Speaker 1: co host, mister Jack Armstrong.
Speaker 2: Jack, glad you're here. I saw a scientist yesterday. That's
Speaker 2: what a doctor is basically, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in a very real way. Some are better
Speaker 1: than others. But I got a question. I don't want
Speaker 1: to derail what you got planned, but I do have
Speaker 1: this way. Yes, I'm so sick. They finally get me
Speaker 1: on antibotics.
Speaker 3: If antibotics didn't exist, if I had the exact thing
Speaker 3: I have now one hundred years ago, would.
Speaker 2: I die from this or what would happen? Be touch
Speaker 2: and go promatly? I wonder. Yeah, I don't know nearly enough,
Speaker 2: but there are examples of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will never forget this. It still gives me chills.
Speaker 1: My wife's almost certainly would have died in childbirth giving
Speaker 1: birth to our first child because of extremely difficult birth.
Speaker 1: And I won't go into the details, but it was
Speaker 1: an incredibly long labor and exhausting and it's the sort
Speaker 1: of thing that people died from without proper medical care.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thank God every day for America's medical
Speaker 1: system is screwed up as it is, and it is
Speaker 1: very screwed up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's possible. Anyways.
Speaker 1: Speaking of science and Jack, I'm glad you're here because
Speaker 1: you are much better at physics and that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff than I am. I don't even try of realized time.
Speaker 1: You might as well explain some of the stuff to
Speaker 1: my dog is to me. But in a potential landmark discovery,
Speaker 1: scientists using the James web Space Telescope, which is an
Speaker 1: amazing piece of hardware, have obtained what they call the
Speaker 1: strongest signs yet a possible light beyond our solar system.
Speaker 1: They detected in an alien planet's atmosphere. The chemical fingerprints
Speaker 1: of gases that on Earth are only produced by biological processes.
Speaker 2: I will just tell you very briefly.
Speaker 1: The two gases are dimethyl sulfide also known as DMS
Speaker 1: sounds like ara and dimethyl die sulfide or dmds a
Speaker 1: better rapper.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The idea that you could detect trace gases from light
Speaker 1: years away using a telescope so blows my mind. I
Speaker 1: can't even believe it. I don't disbelieve it, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm being told that. Yeah, I've got a
Speaker 1: pet gorilla. He knows the alphabet up to why we're
Speaker 1: trying to get him to the end.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's say. I don't think so. I have
Speaker 2: a lot I could say about this.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that since the zeitgeist had turned
Speaker 3: toward there's no life anywhere in the universe in the
Speaker 3: last couple of years.
Speaker 2: I think this might just be a coincidence, or I
Speaker 2: just wonder.
Speaker 3: If there's like a real effort at pushback from the
Speaker 3: other side of the argument, because the other the no
Speaker 3: life out there argument had been winning recently for the
Speaker 3: first time and a very long time. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. That's another topic that you had
Speaker 3: much more experience than me in is the question of
Speaker 3: grants for you r at universities and scientific studies. If
Speaker 3: there is life out there, field is dying because a
Speaker 3: lot of the zeitgeist is going in the other direction.
Speaker 3: If I'm in that field, I find study as fast
Speaker 3: and loud as I can keep the funding going. Yeah,
Speaker 3: see climate change. Now, I don't know that this is
Speaker 3: what's happening. It could just be, you know, they finally
Speaker 3: discovered something and the other thing being as listening to
Speaker 3: a really really smart astronomer scientist dude on a podcast
Speaker 3: recently talking about how if we ever can discover that
Speaker 3: there's been any biological life. It goes from there's no
Speaker 3: life anywhere, there might not be any life anywhere, So
Speaker 3: there's life everywhere. I mean, because you only need to
Speaker 3: replicate it once somewhere in space to go with, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's all over the place. It's got to be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would have to be yeah, and in another story
Speaker 3: that we really don't have time to squeeze in.
Speaker 1: But also at least CAUSEI scientific. For many years during
Speaker 1: the illegal immigration debate, people have been saying, well, who's
Speaker 1: going to pick the crops? Well, the answer is increasingly robots.
Speaker 1: They're getting better and better farm robots stay with us.
Speaker 2: Plus a border update, don't go away, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: We're getting them out.
Speaker 6: And a judge can't say, no, you have to have
Speaker 6: a trial, that the trial is going to take two years,
Speaker 6: and no, we're going to have a very We're going
Speaker 6: to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed
Speaker 6: to do what we're entitled to do. And I want
Speaker 6: an election based on the fact that we get them out.
Speaker 1: So there is a lot of cloudiness on this issue
Speaker 1: if you take in you know, a lot of the media,
Speaker 1: a lot of ideas being expressed that weren't expressed only
Speaker 1: a few months ago when the other guy was in charge.
Speaker 1: And we're going to try to get to some to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this. But there's no question that Trump's
Speaker 1: numbers on the border are sky high popularity.
Speaker 3: Wise, So unlike the economy, is two big issues, the
Speaker 3: economy and the border where he's taking a big hit.
Speaker 2: People are loving what he's doing on the border.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and interestingly, the economy stuff could turn around quickly.
Speaker 1: I think if he eases up on the tariff plans
Speaker 1: and the well, he's already said he's not going to
Speaker 1: fire Jerome Powell, so the markets are heading back northward again.
Speaker 1: I haven't checked lately, but that's fine. We don't do
Speaker 1: that minute to minute around here. So I think those
Speaker 1: numbers could turn around in a big hurry in a
Speaker 1: way that previous administrations never could have dreamed of, because
Speaker 1: what was going on was like massive, you know, at
Speaker 1: least half unavoidable changes in the global economy, as opposed
Speaker 1: to depending on who you ask, some interesting and creative
Speaker 1: or ill advised and hasty talk on tariffs. Anyway, getting
Speaker 1: back to the topic of immigration, Brett Barre on Special
Speaker 1: Report last night, in his panel segment, had some really
Speaker 1: interesting statistics that will lead us into a discussion coming
Speaker 1: up in a moment. The truth the bottom line on
Speaker 1: old Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the was he or wasn't he?
Speaker 1: An MS thirteen marilynd father and little league coach who
Speaker 1: was sent down to Al Salvador, to that nasty prison.
Speaker 2: Anyway, here's Brett bear from.
Speaker 7: Last night, the previous presidents on the migrant removals and
Speaker 7: the numbers that we were talking about. Here, look at
Speaker 7: this Bill Clinton over eight hundred and sixty million, two
Speaker 7: million plus for George W. Bush three million, sixty two
Speaker 7: thousand for President Obama. There you see the first Trump term,
Speaker 7: President Biden at sixty sixteen. The twenty seven thousand is
Speaker 7: from January twenty fifth. In March eighth, it's more than
Speaker 7: that now. But you look at the non judicial removals
Speaker 7: from ninety five to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Significant.
Speaker 7: So, in other words, all of these removals have happened
Speaker 7: in previous administrations. Each one of those people did not
Speaker 7: yet a trial or an adjudication in front of a judge.
Speaker 2: Had they done that, we would.
Speaker 7: Still be hearing Obama migrant removal case.
Speaker 2: Wow. How interesting.
Speaker 1: So more than three million by Obama, handful by Biden
Speaker 1: just because the numbers of people he let in were
Speaker 1: so astonishing, inflated the number, but it was still a
Speaker 1: very very low number. But yeah, I thought Brett's point
Speaker 1: was excellent.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Nobody's nobody's talking about that.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets, you know, a week's long trial or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. And then Annie Lynsky, who's the Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal's White House reporter, weighed in with a thought that
Speaker 1: dovetails nicely.
Speaker 8: I mean the number that stands out is really the
Speaker 8: three million from Barack Obama's terms two terms. And I mean,
Speaker 8: this is how this issue has just changed so much
Speaker 8: that everything that Trump does, the Democrats are against. And
Speaker 8: when Barack Obama was doing it, we didn't see you know,
Speaker 8: massive marches and hugh and a cry. He removed three
Speaker 8: million people from this country, and so you know, the
Speaker 8: politics has certainly changed. I think it's a great example of.
Speaker 2: How the left has just moved, you know, much further
Speaker 2: to the left.
Speaker 3: There was some hue and cry the left of the lefties,
Speaker 3: you know, calling him the deporter in chief.
Speaker 2: They were pretty unhappy about it. But it wasn't It
Speaker 2: wasn't what the mainstream media was worried about. Right, I
Speaker 2: would agree completely.
Speaker 1: Here is for more historical examples of how the left
Speaker 1: has just shot leftward. Well, the right has stayed much
Speaker 1: more consistent on this issue. It's old Billy Jeff Clinton
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 9: Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more
Speaker 9: by hiring a record number of new border guards, by
Speaker 9: deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, and
Speaker 9: the budget I will present to you we will try
Speaker 9: to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens
Speaker 9: who are arrested for crimes. We are a nation of immigrants,
Speaker 9: but we are also a nation of laws. It is
Speaker 9: wrong and oughtimate self defeating for a nation of immigrants
Speaker 9: to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws
Speaker 9: we have seen in recent years, and we must do
Speaker 9: more to stop it.
Speaker 1: Wow, if anybody claims to you that the case is
Speaker 1: anything but that the left has moved miles to the left,
Speaker 1: you know, as many Democrats from you know Bill Maher
Speaker 1: and there are one hundred names have said I didn't
Speaker 1: leave the party, The party left me. If anybody ever
Speaker 1: denies that's true to you, they're either gaslighting you or
Speaker 1: they're a fool.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely true. That is amazing.
Speaker 3: So that's I don't know what year that was, sometime
Speaker 3: between ninety five years so.
Speaker 2: Thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: Obviously, even as a Democrat, a criminal, illegal gets booted out.
Speaker 1: Obviously, all right, how could you what's the counter argument
Speaker 1: to that? The counter argument is you get free healthcare
Speaker 1: paid for by taxpayers. Well, and that's you know, not
Speaker 1: to get off on a tangent that could be like
Speaker 1: a a book. But the triumph of emotionalism over logic
Speaker 1: on the left is one of the greatest effects that
Speaker 1: nobody talks about of a lot of the DEI stuff
Speaker 1: and the microaggression stuff, which was all designed to take
Speaker 1: over institutions to shame people into silence. Then the neo
Speaker 1: Marxists can take over the institutions.
Speaker 2: But I feel offended.
Speaker 1: Therefore I'm right would have been laughed at, for like
Speaker 1: all of American history, all of American history would have said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, no, his intentions were fine. It's perhaps
Speaker 1: you are offended, but talk it out and you need
Speaker 1: to calm down because he didn't say anything wrong. But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in the last few years, as
Speaker 1: people like Bill Clinton were left here on the center
Speaker 1: right saying what the hell just happened, emotionalism has taken over.
Speaker 3: I think the Democratic Party is still more what you
Speaker 3: just heard from Bill Clinton than what's been going on
Speaker 3: for the.
Speaker 2: Last several years.
Speaker 3: I just don't know why somebody doesn't have the freaking
Speaker 3: guts to stand up to the lunatics and be that
Speaker 3: candidate and win in a landslide, I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the whole problem. If you've got that outward,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is it. What percentage of the party,
Speaker 1: thirty percent whatever? Are there the crazy activists and they
Speaker 1: have so much energy our freedom loving Quote of the
Speaker 1: Day Jack was from Eric Hoffer, the great twentieth century author,
Speaker 1: who said, passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to
Speaker 1: an empty life. Thus, people haunted by the purposelessness of
Speaker 1: their lives try to find a new content, not only
Speaker 1: by dedicating themselves to a holy cause, but also by
Speaker 1: nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited
Speaker 1: opportunities for both Wow and again the key sentence, passionate
Speaker 1: hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.
Speaker 3: And yes, so then is how much is it about
Speaker 3: the issue or is it just expressing your misery in
Speaker 3: your life and having someone to blame. Did you see
Speaker 3: that video I tweeted out about the transact Stavists with
Speaker 3: the people screaming at some young women who were, you know, against.
Speaker 10: You had this crowd mostly men just I mean not
Speaker 10: just chanting, but like they were gonna lose their minds
Speaker 10: screaming at these women. And you look at that and
Speaker 10: you have to think, how would you ever get that
Speaker 10: worked up about anything other than maybe defending your own family.
Speaker 1: Because it's not about an issue, it's religious fervor of
Speaker 1: a cult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. Who would suck down what was? It?
Speaker 2: Wasn't kool aid? I always try to get this right.
Speaker 1: It was actually flavor aid that the Jonestown cult sucked down. Anyway,
Speaker 1: everybody says drinking the kool aid, so just go with
Speaker 1: the flow, Joe, Okay, but how can you explain people
Speaker 1: sucking down poison to go to heaven with their their
Speaker 1: two bit would be cult leader, Yeah, I mean cult
Speaker 1: fervor anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's what you saw there.
Speaker 1: And I want to get back into the radicals and
Speaker 1: the defacing Tesla dealers and that sort of thing in
Speaker 1: a little bit. But uh, here are a bunch of
Speaker 1: Marylanders reacting to the deportation of the Maryland father of
Speaker 1: two or whatever in the Little League coach Abrego Garcia
Speaker 1: sixty six.
Speaker 5: He was living in Maryland designated MS thirteen terrorists and
Speaker 5: Donald Trump deported him.
Speaker 2: And how does that make you feel? I feel safer.
Speaker 2: He gotta go, He gotta go, He need to go.
Speaker 2: But he was a father, but he's still a terrorist.
Speaker 6: He should have picked the cheese, so he picked to
Speaker 6: be a terrist instead of worring about his children.
Speaker 5: The Democrats they want him back. They say he was
Speaker 5: wrongfully deported. He has a wife and a kid who's
Speaker 5: a citizen. They're calling this a national emergency. Is this
Speaker 5: a national emergency? I wouldn't call it national emergency. We
Speaker 5: have more things going on?
Speaker 2: Do we have more things? More fish to fry? What
Speaker 2: kind of national emergency for? What? What is the emergency for?
Speaker 2: Ain't no national emergency.
Speaker 1: No, a bunch of white people being racist. Oh excuse me,
Speaker 1: control rooms trying. Oh they were mostly black people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1: According to Rich Lowry of The National Review, who is
Speaker 1: one of the smartest and most reasonable people in journalism,
Speaker 1: he says Kilmar Obrega Garcia should not be in prison
Speaker 1: in l Salvador, and he gets into why, and I
Speaker 1: agree with him, But he also should never have been
Speaker 1: in the United States and should never have been given
Speaker 1: relief from deportation. The White House is trying to make
Speaker 1: the alleged MS thirteen gang member a symbol of illegal
Speaker 1: immigrant crime, while the anti Trump opposition is seeking to
Speaker 1: make the Maryland man a symbol of the administration's disregard
Speaker 1: for due process. What's got less attention, Rich writes, is
Speaker 1: that his case is an example of the self defeating
Speaker 1: absurdities of our immigration system, and in particular of how
Speaker 1: it hands out humanitarian protection. When Abrego Garcia avoided deportation
Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, he didn't take advantage of asylum,
Speaker 1: which has been a big part of the immigration crisis.
Speaker 1: He used something called withholding of removal. So asylum grants
Speaker 1: you a path to citizenship. Departing from the text here
Speaker 1: for a second, because you know you came from an
Speaker 1: awful place that would persecute you, and we take in
Speaker 1: refugees of that sort, and so we will let you
Speaker 1: stay here and become a citizen. But no, this was
Speaker 1: just the withholding of removal that just prevents a deportable
Speaker 1: alien from being removed to a particular country. In a
Speaker 1: Brogo Garcia's case, El Salvatory.
Speaker 2: Where he is now.
Speaker 1: So he came to the US when he was sixteen
Speaker 1: years old in twenty twelve. He lived here illegally until
Speaker 1: he was picked up by the cops in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: put into deportation proceedings. To avoid being removed, he made
Speaker 1: an asylum claim, sought relief under the Unconvention against Torture,
Speaker 1: applied for withholding of removal. An immigration judge did not
Speaker 1: grant him asylum because he hadn't applied soon enough. It
Speaker 1: was just you're supposed to apply in your first year,
Speaker 1: saying hey, here's where i'm here, here's why I'm here,
Speaker 1: and here's why I need to stay.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He just used it as a tool when
Speaker 2: they finally.
Speaker 3: Caught him, and the she didn't know all this, So
Speaker 3: they're like lawyers out there who make their living figuring
Speaker 3: out how to keep these people around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's probably a reasonably breaky he figured it out.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and the judge also ruled that there's no
Speaker 1: reasonably you'll be tortured in El Salvador. But the judge
Speaker 1: granted the withholding of removal on some really unconvincing grounds.
Speaker 1: Here's what happened with this guy, and it's funny. I've
Speaker 1: read a version of this story many times, and nobody
Speaker 1: ever explains what the hell of papoosa is. Oh, Brega
Speaker 1: Garcia claimed that his mother had a papoosa business.
Speaker 2: I've read that half a times. Sort of like an
Speaker 2: alpaca but with two humps. Yes, no, it half sounds
Speaker 2: like prostitution. That's not it.
Speaker 1: Either it's the national dish in l Salvador or a
Speaker 1: national dish.
Speaker 2: It's like having a hot dog stand. Yeah, so she ran.
Speaker 1: A papoosa business out of the family's home, and a
Speaker 1: gang called Barrio eighteen was extorting and threatening the family.
Speaker 1: It's be a shame of something bad happened to her
Speaker 1: papoosa business.
Speaker 2: That sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course it would suck it always protection money,
Speaker 1: they call it, and this included a warning that they
Speaker 1: would take their twelve year old son if the parents'
Speaker 1: payments didn't continue.
Speaker 2: If this is true, it's awful.
Speaker 1: Sure it is, but it's not really a good reason
Speaker 1: to prohibit o Breaker Garcia from being removed to El
Speaker 1: Salvador years later, because by the time of the court proceedings,
Speaker 1: the papoosa business had closed. Tell you what, the papoosa
Speaker 1: business ain't what it used to be, so the occasion
Speaker 1: for storting this kid by the gang no longer existed.
Speaker 1: Not only that he wasn't a kid, he was a
Speaker 1: twenty three year old who was more than capable of
Speaker 1: living independently of his family.
Speaker 3: That sort of thing happens with people in the United
Speaker 3: States all the time. Also, though I mean it's not, yes,
Speaker 3: you know, a revolutionary country or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But you know, if you had to get me
Speaker 1: out of the hood to my cousin's place in the
Speaker 1: suburbs because a gang was trying to recruit me at
Speaker 1: age sixteen, I have enormous sympathy for that situation, But
Speaker 1: when I'm twenty three, not so much. There's more to
Speaker 1: the story. We've got it for you to stay with us.
Speaker 4: They are winning because they've secured the border and the
Speaker 4: Democrats at least the worst border crisis in American history,
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump ended it in a month. And eighty
Speaker 4: seven percent of Americans, according to the New York Times poll,
Speaker 4: show I believe that criminal aliens like this guy should
Speaker 4: be deported. So that's why they're not just focusing on
Speaker 4: the legal side.
Speaker 1: God, so a mere eighty seven percent, not even half
Speaker 1: jack in favor of deporting criminal illegal aliens I could write.
Speaker 3: For The New York Times, Mark Halpern wrote that he
Speaker 3: can't believe Democrats are.
Speaker 2: Making this their battle Oh.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I guess their battle cry
Speaker 1: is it's a don't make it about this guy, make
Speaker 1: it about due process. We're actually going to talk to
Speaker 1: some folks from the Center for Immigration Studies next hour
Speaker 1: about the due process thing.
Speaker 2: But dudes and d d debts.
Speaker 1: The guy's a criminal, illegal alien gang member. He is
Speaker 1: not your Rosa Parks, right.
Speaker 3: I realize if you're a lawyer or a constitutionalist or whatever,
Speaker 3: it's the due process is the issue. But politically, politically, people,
Speaker 3: the average voter sees okay, an illegal criminal get him
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 2: Next story. That's it.
Speaker 1: So that was Mark Tieson's voice you heard. Coming back
Speaker 1: back to the story of kill Maar.
Speaker 2: Poor name.
Speaker 1: Really, if his name was Jimmy or something, kill Maar,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't sound good. Anyway, the guy who was
Speaker 1: shipped off to Al Salvador blah blah blah, due process
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Maryland father. Anyway, So this guy got
Speaker 1: a withholding of removal back in the day because he
Speaker 1: allegedly he was a support sixteen year old who gangs
Speaker 1: tried to extort into joining their gang. But when this
Speaker 1: order was giving given, he was twenty three years old
Speaker 1: and his family's business no longer existed, So the idea
Speaker 1: that he could be blackmailed in joining the gang was
Speaker 1: fairly ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Rich Lowry writes to succeed in getting a.
Speaker 1: Withholding of removal, and alien is supposed to that's the
Speaker 1: legal word alien, Feel free to use it. An alien
Speaker 1: is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on
Speaker 1: his race, religion, nationality, membership in particular social group, or
Speaker 1: political opinion. How did this apply to Abregio Garcia. Supposedly
Speaker 1: his family was the particular social group This is a stretch,
Speaker 1: since the gang presumably would have treated anyone with a
Speaker 1: popoosa business the same way. And he also points out
Speaker 1: that there's the fact that l Salvador's president, naib Bukaley,
Speaker 1: is utterly demolished Brio eighteen.
Speaker 2: The gang doesn't really exist anymore.
Speaker 1: So here we had a man Kilmar Abregio Garcio, came
Speaker 1: here illegally and had at best questionable associations, almost certainly
Speaker 1: Emmerson thirteen living and working in the US based on
Speaker 1: a supposed fere of an all but extinct straight gang
Speaker 1: and its threats over long closed business, and we wonder
Speaker 1: why we can't control the legal immigration. Congress should eliminate
Speaker 1: the particular social group category which is often abused, and
Speaker 1: we should fundamentally rethink how humanitarian protection works and even
Speaker 1: if it makes sense to be in the business of
Speaker 1: granting asylum at all. The Trump administration should not have
Speaker 1: blown by the immigration judges ruling in Bregio Garcia's case.
Speaker 1: But that is no way to run an immigration system, right,
Speaker 1: So they should have shipped them back and dotted their
Speaker 1: eyes and crossed their t's.
Speaker 2: He's right because, as we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: You can do the right thing, but if you do
Speaker 1: it in the wrong way, the other side can make
Speaker 1: you the bad guy.
Speaker 2: So you gotta be careful. Right, you're stepping on your
Speaker 2: own long tie.
Speaker 1: So you've heard many references into due process. Any American
Speaker 1: who understands the Constitution cherishes due process. But what does
Speaker 1: that phrase mean, and what does it mean in immigration,
Speaker 1: and what does it mean with a guy like Garcia.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to the Center for Immigration Study next. If
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