WEBVTT - You Go To Choose Your Romances Better

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen the doctor and he has seen me.

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<v Speaker 2>Famous line from the movie Arthur Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So I joined the show an hour or two. So

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<v Speaker 3>here's what I did. Remember, do you remember anybody listening

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<v Speaker 3>to this show. Remember I was sick last week and

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<v Speaker 3>part of the week before, and assumed that I was

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<v Speaker 3>on the tail end of it, as I had been

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<v Speaker 3>to a doctor and they said it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing that you'll have for ten days or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I went ahead with our scheduled trip to San Diego

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<v Speaker 3>that I had for the family and my son I

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<v Speaker 3>had started having this illness to and we both got

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<v Speaker 3>sicker during this trip. So it turned out to not

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<v Speaker 3>to be the greatest idea to try to go on

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<v Speaker 3>a vacation uh ill like this. My son has now

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<v Speaker 3>declared this is the sickest he's ever been yike, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think is true. I told the doctor yesterday, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm old, and this is in the top five, certainly

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<v Speaker 3>of all time. But so when we were landed in

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<v Speaker 3>San Diego. Both of our heads are full of uh

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<v Speaker 3>whatever your head gets full of when you're sick, and

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<v Speaker 3>our ears. I thought my head was going to explode.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought my ears were going to explode. I've never

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<v Speaker 3>had that happen before ever. I mean, I've had some

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<v Speaker 3>ear pain on a plane before, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Never like this.

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<v Speaker 1>And my satary blood on passengers to your right and

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<v Speaker 1>left right.

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<v Speaker 3>My son was a couple of seats away from He

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<v Speaker 3>was stomping his feet because he didn't want to yell

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<v Speaker 3>out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>And make a scene.

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<v Speaker 3>So much pain. He was just miserable. Couldn't release the pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, we never have. There hasn't gone in five days.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>He mostly hung out in bed. My other son's perfectly healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Luckily he didn't catch it, so God. We went cruising

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<v Speaker 3>around in a boat on the bay and did all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff for a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Of days, and I was just dying.

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<v Speaker 1>He just absolutely dying, you know, trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>vacation going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, has anybody slapped a name on this yet or

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<v Speaker 1>is it just a rest?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Is the only reason I bring it up because it

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<v Speaker 3>might be something to learn from this, something I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went to the doctor yesterday, same doctor that

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<v Speaker 3>i'd seen a week earlier, and I said, tomorrow, which

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<v Speaker 3>is today, will be we a day fourteen. So I've

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<v Speaker 3>had this for fourteen days and if anything, it's getting worse.

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<v Speaker 3>It's certainly not getting better. And say they declared that

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<v Speaker 3>it's so everybody tests you for strip throat.

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<v Speaker 2>The sore throat is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you're swallowing a razorblade every time you swallow,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's been that way.

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<v Speaker 2>For two freaking weeks. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, they said, everybody tests for strip throat, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>lots of bacterial in facts like strip throat that don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a name that they don't test for because they're

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they're not as popular or whatever. And you

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<v Speaker 3>have one of those. Yeah, So they gave me, they said,

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<v Speaker 3>the nuclear option of antibiotics for me and my son,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure we'll be fine in forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 3>But I normally used only for end stage ebol of

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<v Speaker 3>patients in Africa, bol of patients who have gone a

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<v Speaker 3>rhea oh both before they usually give you this, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You're having a bad week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well you gotta choose your mates, your romance is better.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 3>I have tried to power through so many things in

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<v Speaker 3>my life with an illness, and usually successfully.

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<v Speaker 1>This one did not work on vacation and Sam was dying.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just dying, just dying, like, how are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to the airport and do security and

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<v Speaker 1>do this whole thing? How we're gonna do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Was terrible. It's a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we stayed on our friend Dave's boat and that

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<v Speaker 1>was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, at least that's fairly RESTful. Right, No, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no resting. Nobody rested.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's coughing in parents looking for the positive side.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah wow, okay. So, but because I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Been quite sick, I haven't been following news. Tell me

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<v Speaker 3>what's the story my hair? If I had and he

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to be on fire about today? What am

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<v Speaker 3>I supposed to be concerned about today?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the headline is that your head is being

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<v Speaker 1>blasted with the cooling waters of moderation and not on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>As Trump has come out and said, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>intention of.

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<v Speaker 2>Firing Jerome Powell. Oh Jerry, are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Him?

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<v Speaker 1>We go way back and also in all these tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>on China, they're very, very high.

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<v Speaker 2>We should probably work out something better.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the markets yesterday reacted with oh thank god

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<v Speaker 1>and skyrocketed. Having crater in the previous day or two

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<v Speaker 1>and the whiplash of will he or won't he? What's

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<v Speaker 1>the official policy has continued. So financially speaking, we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the downward crest of a waiver or upward. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>upward is better, so that that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to a small businessman in San Diego about

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<v Speaker 3>the tariffs, off to tell that story later, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>telling me what it was going to do to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wipe him out. Really, Yeah, because all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>comes from China.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say anything about how long it would take

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<v Speaker 1>him or how expensive it would be to retool his

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<v Speaker 1>supply lines and remake his business for a new world.

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<v Speaker 2>His particular thing of selling stuff that he gets from China.

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<v Speaker 2>He just wouldn't be doable. I don't think. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what was I going to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Then I did listen to Hi Katie, how are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing better than you, Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>Most people usually are. I mean, yeah, again, that's not

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<v Speaker 3>much of a statement. Yeah, was I gonna say o,

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<v Speaker 3>not in general. I'm not joining on with that. That's

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<v Speaker 3>just that would be abusing a second man I just met.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of your physical health, debatable, Yeah, okay, true,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just I'm probably probably below average most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's got to be right exactly, just statistically doing a

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<v Speaker 1>favor to the above average.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a giver, Joe, Stop beating the sick guy.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll stay in the United States of America. To be fair,

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<v Speaker 3>half of the country is below average. Their lives are

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<v Speaker 3>going below average, So it's not hard to believe that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in that half. I think I can see the

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<v Speaker 3>line from here like the fife right right. Sure, anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably have days where I'm slightly above average.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm supposed to let you guys know that.

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<v Speaker 5>The actual news story of the day is that Lizzo

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<v Speaker 5>has announced that she's lost sixteen percent of her body fat.

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed when she was the musical guest on SNL

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago. That's not the same a

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<v Speaker 3>Lizzo as before. It's just much half a Lizzo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was half a Lizzo. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the camp of if Lizzo assassinates the president

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<v Speaker 1>or cures cancer. I want to hear about her, but

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise no, but that was her whole act was fat acceptance.

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<v Speaker 1>And look how beautiful I am at this weight. So

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<v Speaker 1>why is she musing.

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<v Speaker 2>All the weight?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably because it was killing her, because obesity is incredibly unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then remember she had all those backup dancers who

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<v Speaker 3>were every bit as big as her, and then she

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<v Speaker 3>made fun of them for being fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, somehow I got in trouble for that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you for weighing in with that, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>No pun intended, right, Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, hey, Well one thing I did listen to

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<v Speaker 3>a podcast that explained how Trump absolutely has the power

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<v Speaker 3>too or should have the power to fire Jerome Powell.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a law that he can't, but that law

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<v Speaker 3>is clearly unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they fire are.

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<v Speaker 1>We talking about Humphreys Executor Jack, the famous Supreme Court case.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but as the head of the executive

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<v Speaker 1>branch and he hires the guy, obviously he can fire

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. So if that law went to the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court they would declare it unconstitutional almost certainly. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>history of that sort of thing, the executive branch starting

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<v Speaker 1>quasi independent agencies comes from the era of the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>where that was like decades and decades long activist lefty

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<v Speaker 1>court that said, yeah, that's fine, and it is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is on very slippery and weird ground constitutionally. I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to a learned expert on that topic at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, because it is strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the interesting thing about that to me was one,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he should fire the FED chair And

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<v Speaker 3>as you say, today's news is it doesn't look like

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be incredibly counterproductive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the mainstream media acting like that's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>clearly a dictator move to do that, And then I

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<v Speaker 3>listened to people who know what they're actually talking about. No,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd be challenging a law that's almost certainly unconstant. Really

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<v Speaker 3>not exactly a dictator move. So I don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that, how are you supposed to know what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote.

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<v Speaker 3>Producer Sean used to say, every news story comes with

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<v Speaker 3>the homework assignment. Unless you want to do the homework assignment,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Happening, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually began the show with the theme being that

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<v Speaker 1>you generally have two sides pitching. They're trying to litigate

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<v Speaker 1>the issue and they're completely unbalanced and not looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to try to bring some clarity today

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<v Speaker 1>and have some great examples of that coming up, like

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<v Speaker 1>the war against the universities doing exactly the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in the wrong way, but you know, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of that. Also have some great stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on immigration and the difference in the reaction to the

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<v Speaker 1>same policies by the left depending whose guy is in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House.

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<v Speaker 3>It is hilarious. I saw Rubio statement that he's not

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<v Speaker 3>going to the next peace talks meeting between Russia and Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not going the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, last week he said he'd go if it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like there was any point in going, and his decision

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<v Speaker 1>to not go, mmmm spas.

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<v Speaker 3>And him saying his boss, Donald J. Trump might have

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<v Speaker 3>other priorities. If this is not working out, so then.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 1>So one more, you asked what are the big stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. One more that's getting extremely little attention.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I want to make sure I'm not lying

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<v Speaker 1>to you here, as I so often am shameless.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just scanning. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, it is cruelly underreported. And the reason I

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<v Speaker 1>bring this up is partly because I've been saying for

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<v Speaker 1>a very long time, and I've been a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a lonely voice on this. The question of radical Islam

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<v Speaker 1>versus the West is far from decided.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it took a bit of a little break,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the post post nine to eleven thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've got the Huthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and

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<v Speaker 1>their Iranian proxies, and everybody talks about that and describes them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with words like that, and it's accurate, but

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<v Speaker 1>their Islamic supremacists, that's at the core of their being,

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<v Speaker 1>and so much of the mainstream and sometimes even the

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<v Speaker 1>conservative Ish media is uncomfortable describing them with that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of term. And the reason I bring it up is

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday Islamist terrorists killed more than twenty five tourists in India.

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<v Speaker 1>The number of folks who've died is the count is ongoing,

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<v Speaker 1>and some folks are clinging to life. More than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five tourists in India slaughtered by Islamist lunatics. The attack

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<v Speaker 1>took place in Kashmir, a region that many in the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim majority Pakistan say, is occupied by Hindu majority India

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<v Speaker 1>and ought to be part of Pakistan. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the story of the partition of Indian Pakistan among.

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<v Speaker 2>Or along sectarian lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in this was it the fifties or the sixties?

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<v Speaker 1>I can never remember. There's too much history anyway. Just

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<v Speaker 1>there's bloody history, bloody and horrible and like a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>example of what happens when you divide societies based on

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<v Speaker 1>religion or color of skin or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a good story from being the San Diego

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<v Speaker 3>Bay to get back into that as Lamas thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you decide to talk about it, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna use that line for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember something, you know, there's too much history.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so many people doing so many things. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you remember it? I told my teacher, that's just so

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<v Speaker 1>many things, too much history. You're in charge of ending this,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. We've got a lot of good stuff to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you can stick around it. See Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks for tuning in. See Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Big news on the border, court battles, immigration numbers, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up in a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Next segment, first, a couple of stories from the world

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<v Speaker 1>of science. We are joined at least temporarily by the

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<v Speaker 1>co host, mister Jack Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack, glad you're here. I saw a scientist yesterday. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what a doctor is basically, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, in a very real way. Some are better

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<v Speaker 1>than others. But I got a question. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to derail what you got planned, but I do have

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<v Speaker 1>this way. Yes, I'm so sick. They finally get me

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<v Speaker 1>on antibotics.

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<v Speaker 3>If antibotics didn't exist, if I had the exact thing

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<v Speaker 3>I have now one hundred years ago, would.

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<v Speaker 2>I die from this or what would happen? Be touch

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<v Speaker 2>and go promatly? I wonder. Yeah, I don't know nearly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are examples of that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I will never forget this. It still gives me chills.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife's almost certainly would have died in childbirth giving

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<v Speaker 1>birth to our first child because of extremely difficult birth.

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<v Speaker 1>And I won't go into the details, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly long labor and exhausting and it's the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that people died from without proper medical care.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I thank God every day for America's medical

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<v Speaker 1>system is screwed up as it is, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>very screwed up.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's possible. Anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of science and Jack, I'm glad you're here because

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<v Speaker 1>you are much better at physics and that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff than I am. I don't even try of realized time.

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<v Speaker 1>You might as well explain some of the stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>my dog is to me. But in a potential landmark discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>scientists using the James web Space Telescope, which is an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing piece of hardware, have obtained what they call the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest signs yet a possible light beyond our solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>They detected in an alien planet's atmosphere. The chemical fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>of gases that on Earth are only produced by biological processes.

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<v Speaker 2>I will just tell you very briefly.

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<v Speaker 1>The two gases are dimethyl sulfide also known as DMS

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like ara and dimethyl die sulfide or dmds a

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<v Speaker 1>better rapper.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that you could detect trace gases from light

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<v Speaker 1>years away using a telescope so blows my mind. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even believe it. I don't disbelieve it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm being told that. Yeah, I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>pet gorilla. He knows the alphabet up to why we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get him to the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's say. I don't think so. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot I could say about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's interesting that since the zeitgeist had turned

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<v Speaker 3>toward there's no life anywhere in the universe in the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this might just be a coincidence, or I

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<v Speaker 2>just wonder.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's like a real effort at pushback from the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the argument, because the other the no

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<v Speaker 3>life out there argument had been winning recently for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time and a very long time. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say. That's another topic that you had

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<v Speaker 3>much more experience than me in is the question of

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<v Speaker 3>grants for you r at universities and scientific studies. If

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<v Speaker 3>there is life out there, field is dying because a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the zeitgeist is going in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm in that field, I find study as fast

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<v Speaker 3>and loud as I can keep the funding going. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>see climate change. Now, I don't know that this is

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening. It could just be, you know, they finally

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<v Speaker 3>discovered something and the other thing being as listening to

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<v Speaker 3>a really really smart astronomer scientist dude on a podcast

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<v Speaker 3>recently talking about how if we ever can discover that

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<v Speaker 3>there's been any biological life. It goes from there's no

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<v Speaker 3>life anywhere, there might not be any life anywhere, So

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<v Speaker 3>there's life everywhere. I mean, because you only need to

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<v Speaker 3>replicate it once somewhere in space to go with, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all over the place. It's got to be yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have to be yeah, and in another story

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<v Speaker 3>that we really don't have time to squeeze in.

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<v Speaker 1>But also at least CAUSEI scientific. For many years during

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<v Speaker 1>the illegal immigration debate, people have been saying, well, who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to pick the crops? Well, the answer is increasingly robots.

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<v Speaker 1>They're getting better and better farm robots stay with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus a border update, don't go away, Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting them out.

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<v Speaker 6>And a judge can't say, no, you have to have

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<v Speaker 6>a trial, that the trial is going to take two years,

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<v Speaker 6>and no, we're going to have a very We're going

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<v Speaker 6>to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed

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<v Speaker 6>to do what we're entitled to do. And I want

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<v Speaker 6>an election based on the fact that we get them out.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is a lot of cloudiness on this issue

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<v Speaker 1>if you take in you know, a lot of the media,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ideas being expressed that weren't expressed only

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<v Speaker 1>a few months ago when the other guy was in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to try to get to some to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this. But there's no question that Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>numbers on the border are sky high popularity.

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<v Speaker 3>Wise, So unlike the economy, is two big issues, the

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<v Speaker 3>economy and the border where he's taking a big hit.

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<v Speaker 2>People are loving what he's doing on the border.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and interestingly, the economy stuff could turn around quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if he eases up on the tariff plans

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<v Speaker 1>and the well, he's already said he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>fire Jerome Powell, so the markets are heading back northward again.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't checked lately, but that's fine. We don't do

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<v Speaker 1>that minute to minute around here. So I think those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers could turn around in a big hurry in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that previous administrations never could have dreamed of, because

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on was like massive, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>least half unavoidable changes in the global economy, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to depending on who you ask, some interesting and creative

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<v Speaker 1>or ill advised and hasty talk on tariffs. Anyway, getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to the topic of immigration, Brett Barre on Special

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<v Speaker 1>Report last night, in his panel segment, had some really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting statistics that will lead us into a discussion coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in a moment. The truth the bottom line on

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<v Speaker 1>old Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the was he or wasn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>An MS thirteen marilynd father and little league coach who

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<v Speaker 1>was sent down to Al Salvador, to that nasty prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, here's Brett bear from.

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<v Speaker 7>Last night, the previous presidents on the migrant removals and

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<v Speaker 7>the numbers that we were talking about. Here, look at

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<v Speaker 7>this Bill Clinton over eight hundred and sixty million, two

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<v Speaker 7>million plus for George W. Bush three million, sixty two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand for President Obama. There you see the first Trump term,

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<v Speaker 7>President Biden at sixty sixteen. The twenty seven thousand is

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<v Speaker 7>from January twenty fifth. In March eighth, it's more than

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<v Speaker 7>that now. But you look at the non judicial removals

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<v Speaker 7>from ninety five to twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Significant.

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<v Speaker 7>So, in other words, all of these removals have happened

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<v Speaker 7>in previous administrations. Each one of those people did not

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<v Speaker 7>yet a trial or an adjudication in front of a judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Had they done that, we would.

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<v Speaker 7>Still be hearing Obama migrant removal case.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. How interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So more than three million by Obama, handful by Biden

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<v Speaker 1>just because the numbers of people he let in were

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<v Speaker 1>so astonishing, inflated the number, but it was still a

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<v Speaker 1>very very low number. But yeah, I thought Brett's point

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<v Speaker 1>was excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Nobody's nobody's talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody gets, you know, a week's long trial or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous. And then Annie Lynsky, who's the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>Journal's White House reporter, weighed in with a thought that

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<v Speaker 1>dovetails nicely.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean the number that stands out is really the

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<v Speaker 8>three million from Barack Obama's terms two terms. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>this is how this issue has just changed so much

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<v Speaker 8>that everything that Trump does, the Democrats are against. And

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<v Speaker 8>when Barack Obama was doing it, we didn't see you know,

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<v Speaker 8>massive marches and hugh and a cry. He removed three

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<v Speaker 8>million people from this country, and so you know, the

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<v Speaker 8>politics has certainly changed. I think it's a great example of.

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<v Speaker 2>How the left has just moved, you know, much further

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<v Speaker 2>to the left.

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<v Speaker 3>There was some hue and cry the left of the lefties,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, calling him the deporter in chief.

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<v Speaker 2>They were pretty unhappy about it. But it wasn't It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't what the mainstream media was worried about. Right, I

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<v Speaker 2>would agree completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is for more historical examples of how the left

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<v Speaker 1>has just shot leftward. Well, the right has stayed much

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<v Speaker 1>more consistent on this issue. It's old Billy Jeff Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 9>Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more

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<v Speaker 9>by hiring a record number of new border guards, by

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<v Speaker 9>deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, and

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<v Speaker 9>the budget I will present to you we will try

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<v Speaker 9>to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens

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<v Speaker 9>who are arrested for crimes. We are a nation of immigrants,

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<v Speaker 9>but we are also a nation of laws. It is

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<v Speaker 9>wrong and oughtimate self defeating for a nation of immigrants

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<v Speaker 9>to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws

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<v Speaker 9>we have seen in recent years, and we must do

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<v Speaker 9>more to stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, if anybody claims to you that the case is

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<v Speaker 1>anything but that the left has moved miles to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as many Democrats from you know Bill Maher

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<v Speaker 1>and there are one hundred names have said I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>leave the party, The party left me. If anybody ever

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<v Speaker 1>denies that's true to you, they're either gaslighting you or

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<v Speaker 1>they're a fool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely true. That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's I don't know what year that was, sometime

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<v Speaker 3>between ninety five years so.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, even as a Democrat, a criminal, illegal gets booted out.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, all right, how could you what's the counter argument

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<v Speaker 1>to that? The counter argument is you get free healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>paid for by taxpayers. Well, and that's you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>to get off on a tangent that could be like

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<v Speaker 1>a a book. But the triumph of emotionalism over logic

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<v Speaker 1>on the left is one of the greatest effects that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody talks about of a lot of the DEI stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and the microaggression stuff, which was all designed to take

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<v Speaker 1>over institutions to shame people into silence. Then the neo

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<v Speaker 1>Marxists can take over the institutions.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel offended.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore I'm right would have been laughed at, for like

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<v Speaker 1>all of American history, all of American history would have said,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, no, his intentions were fine. It's perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you are offended, but talk it out and you need

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<v Speaker 1>to calm down because he didn't say anything wrong. But

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, in the last few years, as

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<v Speaker 1>people like Bill Clinton were left here on the center

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<v Speaker 1>right saying what the hell just happened, emotionalism has taken over.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Democratic Party is still more what you

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<v Speaker 3>just heard from Bill Clinton than what's been going on

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<v Speaker 3>for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Last several years.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know why somebody doesn't have the freaking

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<v Speaker 3>guts to stand up to the lunatics and be that

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<v Speaker 3>candidate and win in a landslide, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's the whole problem. If you've got that outward,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is it. What percentage of the party,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty percent whatever? Are there the crazy activists and they

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<v Speaker 1>have so much energy our freedom loving Quote of the

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<v Speaker 1>Day Jack was from Eric Hoffer, the great twentieth century author,

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<v Speaker 1>who said, passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to

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<v Speaker 1>an empty life. Thus, people haunted by the purposelessness of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives try to find a new content, not only

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<v Speaker 1>by dedicating themselves to a holy cause, but also by

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<v Speaker 1>nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>opportunities for both Wow and again the key sentence, passionate

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 1>hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, so then is how much is it about

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<v Speaker 3>the issue or is it just expressing your misery in

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 3>your life and having someone to blame. Did you see

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<v Speaker 3>that video I tweeted out about the transact Stavists with

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<v Speaker 3>the people screaming at some young women who were, you know, against.

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<v Speaker 10>You had this crowd mostly men just I mean not

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 10>just chanting, but like they were gonna lose their minds

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<v Speaker 10>screaming at these women. And you look at that and

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<v Speaker 10>you have to think, how would you ever get that

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<v Speaker 10>worked up about anything other than maybe defending your own family.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not about an issue, it's religious fervor of

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<v Speaker 1>a cult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's wild. Who would suck down what was? It?

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't kool aid? I always try to get this right.

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>It was actually flavor aid that the Jonestown cult sucked down. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody says drinking the kool aid, so just go with

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<v Speaker 1>the flow, Joe, Okay, but how can you explain people

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 1>sucking down poison to go to heaven with their their

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>two bit would be cult leader, Yeah, I mean cult

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>fervor anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's that's what you saw there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to get back into the radicals and

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the defacing Tesla dealers and that sort of thing in

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But uh, here are a bunch of

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Marylanders reacting to the deportation of the Maryland father of

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<v Speaker 1>two or whatever in the Little League coach Abrego Garcia

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six.

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<v Speaker 5>He was living in Maryland designated MS thirteen terrorists and

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump deported him.

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<v Speaker 2>And how does that make you feel? I feel safer.

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<v Speaker 2>He gotta go, He gotta go, He need to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was a father, but he's still a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 6>He should have picked the cheese, so he picked to

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<v Speaker 6>be a terrist instead of worring about his children.

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 5>The Democrats they want him back. They say he was

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<v Speaker 5>wrongfully deported. He has a wife and a kid who's

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<v Speaker 5>a citizen. They're calling this a national emergency. Is this

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<v Speaker 5>a national emergency? I wouldn't call it national emergency. We

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 5>have more things going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have more things? More fish to fry? What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of national emergency for? What? What is the emergency for?

0:26:58.560 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Ain't no national emergency.

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>No, a bunch of white people being racist. Oh excuse me,

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>control rooms trying. Oh they were mostly black people.

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Rich Lowry of The National Review, who is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the smartest and most reasonable people in journalism,

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>he says Kilmar Obrega Garcia should not be in prison

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>in l Salvador, and he gets into why, and I

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with him, But he also should never have been

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States and should never have been given

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>relief from deportation. The White House is trying to make

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the alleged MS thirteen gang member a symbol of illegal

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>immigrant crime, while the anti Trump opposition is seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>make the Maryland man a symbol of the administration's disregard

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>for due process. What's got less attention, Rich writes, is

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that his case is an example of the self defeating

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>absurdities of our immigration system, and in particular of how

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it hands out humanitarian protection. When Abrego Garcia avoided deportation

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>back in twenty nineteen, he didn't take advantage of asylum,

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>which has been a big part of the immigration crisis.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>He used something called withholding of removal. So asylum grants

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>you a path to citizenship. Departing from the text here

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<v Speaker 1>for a second, because you know you came from an

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>awful place that would persecute you, and we take in

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>refugees of that sort, and so we will let you

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>stay here and become a citizen. But no, this was

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<v Speaker 1>just the withholding of removal that just prevents a deportable

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>alien from being removed to a particular country. In a

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Brogo Garcia's case, El Salvatory.

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<v Speaker 2>Where he is now.

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<v Speaker 1>So he came to the US when he was sixteen

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>years old in twenty twelve. He lived here illegally until

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>he was picked up by the cops in twenty nineteen,

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>put into deportation proceedings. To avoid being removed, he made

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.479
<v Speaker 1>an asylum claim, sought relief under the Unconvention against Torture,

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>applied for withholding of removal. An immigration judge did not

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>grant him asylum because he hadn't applied soon enough. It

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>was just you're supposed to apply in your first year,

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>saying hey, here's where i'm here, here's why I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's why I need to stay.

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>He didn't. He just used it as a tool when

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>they finally.

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Caught him, and the she didn't know all this, So

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 3>they're like lawyers out there who make their living figuring

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 3>out how to keep these people around.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or he's probably a reasonably breaky he figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, and the judge also ruled that there's no

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>reasonably you'll be tortured in El Salvador. But the judge

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>granted the withholding of removal on some really unconvincing grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what happened with this guy, and it's funny. I've

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>read a version of this story many times, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever explains what the hell of papoosa is. Oh, Brega

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<v Speaker 1>Garcia claimed that his mother had a papoosa business.

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<v Speaker 2>I've read that half a times. Sort of like an

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>alpaca but with two humps. Yes, no, it half sounds

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>like prostitution. That's not it.

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<v Speaker 1>Either it's the national dish in l Salvador or a

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>national dish.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like having a hot dog stand. Yeah, so she ran.

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<v Speaker 1>A papoosa business out of the family's home, and a

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>gang called Barrio eighteen was extorting and threatening the family.

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<v Speaker 1>It's be a shame of something bad happened to her

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<v Speaker 1>papoosa business.

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<v Speaker 2>That sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course it would suck it always protection money,

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<v Speaker 1>they call it, and this included a warning that they

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>would take their twelve year old son if the parents'

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>payments didn't continue.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is true, it's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it is, but it's not really a good reason

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.479
<v Speaker 1>to prohibit o Breaker Garcia from being removed to El

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<v Speaker 1>Salvador years later, because by the time of the court proceedings,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the papoosa business had closed. Tell you what, the papoosa

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>business ain't what it used to be, so the occasion

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>for storting this kid by the gang no longer existed.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only that he wasn't a kid, he was a

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty three year old who was more than capable of

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<v Speaker 1>living independently of his family.

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 3>That sort of thing happens with people in the United

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 3>States all the time. Also, though I mean it's not, yes,

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, a revolutionary country or something.

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, But you know, if you had to get me

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>out of the hood to my cousin's place in the

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>suburbs because a gang was trying to recruit me at

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>age sixteen, I have enormous sympathy for that situation, But

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm twenty three, not so much. There's more to

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.479
<v Speaker 1>the story. We've got it for you to stay with us.

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<v Speaker 4>They are winning because they've secured the border and the

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Democrats at least the worst border crisis in American history,

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 4>and Donald Trump ended it in a month. And eighty

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 4>seven percent of Americans, according to the New York Times poll,

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<v Speaker 4>show I believe that criminal aliens like this guy should

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 4>be deported. So that's why they're not just focusing on

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<v Speaker 4>the legal side.

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<v Speaker 1>God, so a mere eighty seven percent, not even half

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>jack in favor of deporting criminal illegal aliens I could write.

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 3>For The New York Times, Mark Halpern wrote that he

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>can't believe Democrats are.

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Making this their battle Oh.

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, and I guess their battle cry

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>is it's a don't make it about this guy, make

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it about due process. We're actually going to talk to

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>some folks from the Center for Immigration Studies next hour

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>about the due process thing.

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>But dudes and d d debts.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's a criminal, illegal alien gang member. He is

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>not your Rosa Parks, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I realize if you're a lawyer or a constitutionalist or whatever,

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>it's the due process is the issue. But politically, politically, people,

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 3>the average voter sees okay, an illegal criminal get him

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 3>out of here.

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Next story. That's it.

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So that was Mark Tieson's voice you heard. Coming back

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>back to the story of kill Maar.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Poor name.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Really, if his name was Jimmy or something, kill Maar,

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't sound good. Anyway, the guy who was

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>shipped off to Al Salvador blah blah blah, due process

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, Maryland father. Anyway, So this guy got

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>a withholding of removal back in the day because he

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>allegedly he was a support sixteen year old who gangs

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>tried to extort into joining their gang. But when this

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>order was giving given, he was twenty three years old

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and his family's business no longer existed, So the idea

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>that he could be blackmailed in joining the gang was

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>fairly ridiculous.

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Rich Lowry writes to succeed in getting a.

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<v Speaker 1>Withholding of removal, and alien is supposed to that's the

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>legal word alien, Feel free to use it. An alien

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>his race, religion, nationality, membership in particular social group, or

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>political opinion. How did this apply to Abregio Garcia. Supposedly

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>his family was the particular social group This is a stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>since the gang presumably would have treated anyone with a

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>popoosa business the same way. And he also points out

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>that there's the fact that l Salvador's president, naib Bukaley,

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>is utterly demolished Brio eighteen.

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>The gang doesn't really exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we had a man Kilmar Abregio Garcio, came

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>here illegally and had at best questionable associations, almost certainly

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Emmerson thirteen living and working in the US based on

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a supposed fere of an all but extinct straight gang

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and its threats over long closed business, and we wonder

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>why we can't control the legal immigration. Congress should eliminate

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the particular social group category which is often abused, and

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>we should fundamentally rethink how humanitarian protection works and even

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>if it makes sense to be in the business of

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>granting asylum at all. The Trump administration should not have

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>blown by the immigration judges ruling in Bregio Garcia's case.

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>But that is no way to run an immigration system, right,

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So they should have shipped them back and dotted their

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>eyes and crossed their t's.

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<v Speaker 2>He's right because, as we were talking about earlier.

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 1>You can do the right thing, but if you do

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>it in the wrong way, the other side can make

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>you the bad guy.

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 2>So you gotta be careful. Right, you're stepping on your

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 2>own long tie.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've heard many references into due process. Any American

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>who understands the Constitution cherishes due process. But what does

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that phrase mean, and what does it mean in immigration,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and what does it mean with a guy like Garcia.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to the Center for Immigration Study next. If

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