1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: I have seen the doctor and he has seen me. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Famous line from the movie Arthur Wow. 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 3: So I joined the show an hour or two. So 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: here's what I did. Remember, do you remember anybody listening 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 3: to this show. Remember I was sick last week and 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: part of the week before, and assumed that I was 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: on the tail end of it, as I had been 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: to a doctor and they said it was, you know, 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: sort of thing that you'll have for ten days or whatever. 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: I went ahead with our scheduled trip to San Diego 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 3: that I had for the family and my son I 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: had started having this illness to and we both got 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: sicker during this trip. So it turned out to not 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: to be the greatest idea to try to go on 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: a vacation uh ill like this. My son has now 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: declared this is the sickest he's ever been yike, which 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: I think is true. I told the doctor yesterday, I said, 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: I'm old, and this is in the top five, certainly 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: of all time. But so when we were landed in 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 3: San Diego. Both of our heads are full of uh 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: whatever your head gets full of when you're sick, and 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: our ears. I thought my head was going to explode. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: I thought my ears were going to explode. I've never 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: had that happen before ever. I mean, I've had some 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: ear pain on a plane before, but. 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Never like this. 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: And my satary blood on passengers to your right and 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: left right. 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: My son was a couple of seats away from He 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: was stomping his feet because he didn't want to yell 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: out loud. 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: And make a scene. 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: So much pain. He was just miserable. Couldn't release the pressure. 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: Oh no, we never have. There hasn't gone in five days. 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: Anyway. Wow. 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: He mostly hung out in bed. My other son's perfectly healthy. 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: Luckily he didn't catch it, so God. We went cruising 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: around in a boat on the bay and did all 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: this stuff for a couple. 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: Of days, and I was just dying. 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: He just absolutely dying, you know, trying to keep the 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: vacation going. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 47 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: So, has anybody slapped a name on this yet or 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: is it just a rest? 49 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: Really? 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: Is the only reason I bring it up because it 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: might be something to learn from this, something I didn't know. 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: So I went to the doctor yesterday, same doctor that 53 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: i'd seen a week earlier, and I said, tomorrow, which 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: is today, will be we a day fourteen. So I've 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: had this for fourteen days and if anything, it's getting worse. 56 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: It's certainly not getting better. And say they declared that 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: it's so everybody tests you for strip throat. 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: The sore throat is ridiculous. 59 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: It's like you're swallowing a razorblade every time you swallow, 60 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: and it's been that way. 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: For two freaking weeks. It's crazy. 62 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: Anyway, they said, everybody tests for strip throat, but there's 63 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: lots of bacterial in facts like strip throat that don't 64 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: have a name that they don't test for because they're 65 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: you know, they're not as popular or whatever. And you 66 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: have one of those. Yeah, So they gave me, they said, 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: the nuclear option of antibiotics for me and my son, 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: and I'm sure we'll be fine in forty eight hours. 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: But I normally used only for end stage ebol of 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: patients in Africa, bol of patients who have gone a 71 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: rhea oh both before they usually give you this, Well. 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: You're having a bad week. 73 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you gotta choose your mates, your romance is better. 74 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy. 75 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: I have tried to power through so many things in 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: my life with an illness, and usually successfully. 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: This one did not work on vacation and Sam was dying. 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: I was just dying, just dying, like, how are we 79 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: going to go to the airport and do security and 80 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: do this whole thing? How we're gonna do it? 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: Was terrible. It's a terrible idea. 82 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: Oh, we stayed on our friend Dave's boat and that 83 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: was cool. 84 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at least that's fairly RESTful. Right, No, there 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: is no resting. Nobody rested. 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: Everybody's coughing in parents looking for the positive side. 87 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: Ah wow, okay. So, but because I've. 88 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: Been quite sick, I haven't been following news. Tell me 89 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: what's the story my hair? If I had and he 90 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: was supposed to be on fire about today? What am 91 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: I supposed to be concerned about today? 92 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: Actually? 93 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I think the headline is that your head is being 94 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: blasted with the cooling waters of moderation and not on fire. 95 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: As Trump has come out and said, I have no 96 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: intention of. 97 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: Firing Jerome Powell. Oh Jerry, are you kidding? 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: Man? 99 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: Him? 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: We go way back and also in all these tariffs 101 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: on China, they're very, very high. 102 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: We should probably work out something better. 103 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: And so the markets yesterday reacted with oh thank god 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: and skyrocketed. Having crater in the previous day or two 105 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: and the whiplash of will he or won't he? What's 106 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: the official policy has continued. So financially speaking, we're on 107 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: the downward crest of a waiver or upward. I guess 108 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: upward is better, so that that's good. 109 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: I talked to a small businessman in San Diego about 110 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: the tariffs, off to tell that story later, and he's 111 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: telling me what it was going to do to him. 112 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 2: Just wipe him out. Really, Yeah, because all this stuff 113 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: comes from China. 114 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Did you say anything about how long it would take 115 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: him or how expensive it would be to retool his 116 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: supply lines and remake his business for a new world. 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: His particular thing of selling stuff that he gets from China. 118 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: He just wouldn't be doable. I don't think. Okay, yeah, 119 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: what was I going to say? 120 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Oh? 121 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: Then I did listen to Hi Katie, how are you? 122 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: Hi? 123 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing better than you, Jack. 124 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: Most people usually are. I mean, yeah, again, that's not 125 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: much of a statement. Yeah, was I gonna say o, 126 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: not in general. I'm not joining on with that. That's 127 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: just that would be abusing a second man I just met. 128 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: In terms of your physical health, debatable, Yeah, okay, true, 129 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm probably probably below average most of the time. 130 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: Somebody's got to be right exactly, just statistically doing a 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: favor to the above average. 132 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: You're a giver, Joe, Stop beating the sick guy. 133 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: We'll stay in the United States of America. To be fair, 134 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: half of the country is below average. Their lives are 135 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: going below average, So it's not hard to believe that 136 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: I'm in that half. I think I can see the 137 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 3: line from here like the fife right right. Sure, anyway, 138 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: I probably have days where I'm slightly above average. 139 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: But I'm supposed to let you guys know that. 140 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 5: The actual news story of the day is that Lizzo 141 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: has announced that she's lost sixteen percent of her body fat. 142 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: I noticed when she was the musical guest on SNL 143 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. That's not the same a 144 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: Lizzo as before. It's just much half a Lizzo. Yeah, 145 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: I was half a Lizzo. I'm sorry. 146 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm in the camp of if Lizzo assassinates the president 147 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: or cures cancer. I want to hear about her, but 148 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: otherwise no, but that was her whole act was fat acceptance. 149 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: And look how beautiful I am at this weight. So 150 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: why is she musing. 151 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: All the weight? 152 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Probably because it was killing her, because obesity is incredibly unhealthy. 153 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: And then remember she had all those backup dancers who 154 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: were every bit as big as her, and then she 155 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: made fun of them for being fat. 156 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: Yes, somehow I got in trouble for that. 157 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: All right, thank you for weighing in with that, Katie, 158 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: No pun intended, right, Scott. 159 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, hey, Well one thing I did listen to 160 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: a podcast that explained how Trump absolutely has the power 161 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: too or should have the power to fire Jerome Powell. 162 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: There is a law that he can't, but that law 163 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: is clearly unconstitutional. 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: And if they fire are. 165 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: We talking about Humphreys Executor Jack, the famous Supreme Court case. 166 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but as the head of the executive 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: branch and he hires the guy, obviously he can fire 168 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the guy. So if that law went to the Supreme 169 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Court they would declare it unconstitutional almost certainly. Yeah, the 170 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: history of that sort of thing, the executive branch starting 171 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: quasi independent agencies comes from the era of the Supreme Court, 172 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: where that was like decades and decades long activist lefty 173 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: court that said, yeah, that's fine, and it is. It 174 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: is on very slippery and weird ground constitutionally. I'd love 175 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: to talk to a learned expert on that topic at 176 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: some point, because it is strange. 177 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 178 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing about that to me was one, 179 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: I don't think he should fire the FED chair And 180 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: as you say, today's news is it doesn't look like 181 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: he's going to. 182 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: It would be incredibly counterproductive. 183 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the mainstream media acting like that's, you know, 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: clearly a dictator move to do that, And then I 185 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: listened to people who know what they're actually talking about. No, 186 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: he'd be challenging a law that's almost certainly unconstant. Really 187 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: not exactly a dictator move. So I don't know the 188 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: claiming that, how are you supposed to know what's going on? 189 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: I wrote. 190 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: Producer Sean used to say, every news story comes with 191 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: the homework assignment. Unless you want to do the homework assignment, 192 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: you don't know what's. 193 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: Happening, right. Yeah. 194 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: I actually began the show with the theme being that 195 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: you generally have two sides pitching. They're trying to litigate 196 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: the issue and they're completely unbalanced and not looking at it. 197 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: And we're going to try to bring some clarity today 198 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: and have some great examples of that coming up, like 199 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: the war against the universities doing exactly the right thing, 200 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: maybe in the wrong way, but you know, we'll get 201 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: to the bottom of that. Also have some great stuff 202 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: on immigration and the difference in the reaction to the 203 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: same policies by the left depending whose guy is in 204 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: the White House. 205 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: It is hilarious. I saw Rubio statement that he's not 206 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: going to the next peace talks meeting between Russia and Ukraine. 207 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: So that's not going the right direction. 208 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, last week he said he'd go if it looked 209 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: like there was any point in going, and his decision 210 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: to not go, mmmm spas. 211 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: And him saying his boss, Donald J. Trump might have 212 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: other priorities. If this is not working out, so then. 213 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: What are we doing? 214 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: So one more, you asked what are the big stories 215 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: of the day. One more that's getting extremely little attention. 216 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, I want to make sure I'm not lying 217 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: to you here, as I so often am shameless. 218 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm just scanning. Let's see. 219 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it is cruelly underreported. And the reason I 220 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: bring this up is partly because I've been saying for 221 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: a very long time, and I've been a bit of 222 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: a lonely voice on this. The question of radical Islam 223 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: versus the West is far from decided. 224 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it took a bit of a little break, 225 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: you know, the post post nine to eleven thing. 226 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: But you've got the Huthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and 227 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: their Iranian proxies, and everybody talks about that and describes them, 228 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, with words like that, and it's accurate, but 229 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: their Islamic supremacists, that's at the core of their being, 230 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: and so much of the mainstream and sometimes even the 231 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: conservative Ish media is uncomfortable describing them with that sort 232 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: of term. And the reason I bring it up is 233 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: yesterday Islamist terrorists killed more than twenty five tourists in India. 234 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: The number of folks who've died is the count is ongoing, 235 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and some folks are clinging to life. More than twenty 236 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: five tourists in India slaughtered by Islamist lunatics. The attack 237 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: took place in Kashmir, a region that many in the 238 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: Muslim majority Pakistan say, is occupied by Hindu majority India 239 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: and ought to be part of Pakistan. If you don't 240 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: know the story of the partition of Indian Pakistan among. 241 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: Or along sectarian lines. 242 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Back in this was it the fifties or the sixties? 243 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: I can never remember. There's too much history anyway. Just 244 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: there's bloody history, bloody and horrible and like a perfect 245 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: example of what happens when you divide societies based on 246 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: religion or color of skin or whatever. 247 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: I got a good story from being the San Diego 248 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: Bay to get back into that as Lamas thing. 249 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: Whenever you decide to talk about it, I'm. 250 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: Gonna use that line for the rest of my life. 251 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: I can't remember something, you know, there's too much history. 252 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so many people doing so many things. How can 253 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: you remember it? I told my teacher, that's just so 254 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: many things, too much history. You're in charge of ending this, 255 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: all right. We've got a lot of good stuff to come. 256 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: Hope you can stick around it. See Armstrong and Getty Show. 257 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for tuning in. See Armstrong and Getty Show. 258 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Big news on the border, court battles, immigration numbers, etc. 259 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Coming up in a couple of minutes. 260 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Next segment, first, a couple of stories from the world 261 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: of science. We are joined at least temporarily by the 262 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: co host, mister Jack Armstrong. 263 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: Jack, glad you're here. I saw a scientist yesterday. That's 264 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: what a doctor is basically, right. 265 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in a very real way. Some are better 266 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: than others. But I got a question. I don't want 267 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: to derail what you got planned, but I do have 268 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: this way. Yes, I'm so sick. They finally get me 269 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: on antibotics. 270 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: If antibotics didn't exist, if I had the exact thing 271 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: I have now one hundred years ago, would. 272 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: I die from this or what would happen? Be touch 273 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: and go promatly? I wonder. Yeah, I don't know nearly enough, 274 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: but there are examples of that. Yeah. 275 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will never forget this. It still gives me chills. 276 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: My wife's almost certainly would have died in childbirth giving 277 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: birth to our first child because of extremely difficult birth. 278 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: And I won't go into the details, but it was 279 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: an incredibly long labor and exhausting and it's the sort 280 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: of thing that people died from without proper medical care. 281 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I thank God every day for America's medical 282 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: system is screwed up as it is, and it is 283 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: very screwed up. 284 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's possible. Anyways. 285 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of science and Jack, I'm glad you're here because 286 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: you are much better at physics and that sort of 287 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: stuff than I am. I don't even try of realized time. 288 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: You might as well explain some of the stuff to 289 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: my dog is to me. But in a potential landmark discovery, 290 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: scientists using the James web Space Telescope, which is an 291 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: amazing piece of hardware, have obtained what they call the 292 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: strongest signs yet a possible light beyond our solar system. 293 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: They detected in an alien planet's atmosphere. The chemical fingerprints 294 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: of gases that on Earth are only produced by biological processes. 295 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: I will just tell you very briefly. 296 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: The two gases are dimethyl sulfide also known as DMS 297 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: sounds like ara and dimethyl die sulfide or dmds a 298 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: better rapper. 299 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. 300 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: The idea that you could detect trace gases from light 301 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: years away using a telescope so blows my mind. I 302 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: can't even believe it. I don't disbelieve it, but I 303 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: feel like I'm being told that. Yeah, I've got a 304 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: pet gorilla. He knows the alphabet up to why we're 305 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: trying to get him to the end. 306 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's say. I don't think so. I have 307 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: a lot I could say about this. 308 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that since the zeitgeist had turned 309 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: toward there's no life anywhere in the universe in the 310 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: last couple of years. 311 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: I think this might just be a coincidence, or I 312 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: just wonder. 313 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: If there's like a real effort at pushback from the 314 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: other side of the argument, because the other the no 315 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: life out there argument had been winning recently for the 316 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: first time and a very long time. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah, 317 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: I was gonna say. That's another topic that you had 318 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: much more experience than me in is the question of 319 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: grants for you r at universities and scientific studies. If 320 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: there is life out there, field is dying because a 321 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: lot of the zeitgeist is going in the other direction. 322 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: If I'm in that field, I find study as fast 323 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: and loud as I can keep the funding going. Yeah, 324 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: see climate change. Now, I don't know that this is 325 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: what's happening. It could just be, you know, they finally 326 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: discovered something and the other thing being as listening to 327 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: a really really smart astronomer scientist dude on a podcast 328 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: recently talking about how if we ever can discover that 329 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: there's been any biological life. It goes from there's no 330 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: life anywhere, there might not be any life anywhere, So 331 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: there's life everywhere. I mean, because you only need to 332 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: replicate it once somewhere in space to go with, Okay, 333 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: it's all over the place. It's got to be yeah, yeah, 334 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: it would have to be yeah, and in another story 335 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: that we really don't have time to squeeze in. 336 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: But also at least CAUSEI scientific. For many years during 337 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: the illegal immigration debate, people have been saying, well, who's 338 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: going to pick the crops? Well, the answer is increasingly robots. 339 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: They're getting better and better farm robots stay with us. 340 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: Plus a border update, don't go away, Armstrong and Getty. 341 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: We're getting them out. 342 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 6: And a judge can't say, no, you have to have 343 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 6: a trial, that the trial is going to take two years, 344 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 6: and no, we're going to have a very We're going 345 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 6: to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed 346 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 6: to do what we're entitled to do. And I want 347 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 6: an election based on the fact that we get them out. 348 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of cloudiness on this issue 349 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: if you take in you know, a lot of the media, 350 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of ideas being expressed that weren't expressed only 351 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: a few months ago when the other guy was in charge. 352 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: And we're going to try to get to some to 353 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: the bottom of this. But there's no question that Trump's 354 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: numbers on the border are sky high popularity. 355 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: Wise, So unlike the economy, is two big issues, the 356 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: economy and the border where he's taking a big hit. 357 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: People are loving what he's doing on the border. 358 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and interestingly, the economy stuff could turn around quickly. 359 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: I think if he eases up on the tariff plans 360 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: and the well, he's already said he's not going to 361 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: fire Jerome Powell, so the markets are heading back northward again. 362 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: I haven't checked lately, but that's fine. We don't do 363 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: that minute to minute around here. So I think those 364 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: numbers could turn around in a big hurry in a 365 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: way that previous administrations never could have dreamed of, because 366 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: what was going on was like massive, you know, at 367 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: least half unavoidable changes in the global economy, as opposed 368 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: to depending on who you ask, some interesting and creative 369 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: or ill advised and hasty talk on tariffs. Anyway, getting 370 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: back to the topic of immigration, Brett Barre on Special 371 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: Report last night, in his panel segment, had some really 372 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: interesting statistics that will lead us into a discussion coming 373 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: up in a moment. The truth the bottom line on 374 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: old Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the was he or wasn't he? 375 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: An MS thirteen marilynd father and little league coach who 376 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: was sent down to Al Salvador, to that nasty prison. 377 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: Anyway, here's Brett bear from. 378 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 7: Last night, the previous presidents on the migrant removals and 379 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 7: the numbers that we were talking about. Here, look at 380 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 7: this Bill Clinton over eight hundred and sixty million, two 381 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 7: million plus for George W. Bush three million, sixty two 382 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 7: thousand for President Obama. There you see the first Trump term, 383 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 7: President Biden at sixty sixteen. The twenty seven thousand is 384 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 7: from January twenty fifth. In March eighth, it's more than 385 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 7: that now. But you look at the non judicial removals 386 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 7: from ninety five to twenty twelve. 387 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: Significant. 388 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 7: So, in other words, all of these removals have happened 389 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 7: in previous administrations. Each one of those people did not 390 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 7: yet a trial or an adjudication in front of a judge. 391 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: Had they done that, we would. 392 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: Still be hearing Obama migrant removal case. 393 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: Wow. How interesting. 394 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: So more than three million by Obama, handful by Biden 395 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: just because the numbers of people he let in were 396 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: so astonishing, inflated the number, but it was still a 397 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: very very low number. But yeah, I thought Brett's point 398 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: was excellent. 399 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: That's amazing. Nobody's nobody's talking about that. 400 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Everybody gets, you know, a week's long trial or whatever. 401 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. And then Annie Lynsky, who's the Wall Street 402 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Journal's White House reporter, weighed in with a thought that 403 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: dovetails nicely. 404 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 8: I mean the number that stands out is really the 405 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 8: three million from Barack Obama's terms two terms. And I mean, 406 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 8: this is how this issue has just changed so much 407 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 8: that everything that Trump does, the Democrats are against. And 408 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 8: when Barack Obama was doing it, we didn't see you know, 409 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 8: massive marches and hugh and a cry. He removed three 410 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 8: million people from this country, and so you know, the 411 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 8: politics has certainly changed. I think it's a great example of. 412 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: How the left has just moved, you know, much further 413 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: to the left. 414 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: There was some hue and cry the left of the lefties, 415 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: you know, calling him the deporter in chief. 416 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: They were pretty unhappy about it. But it wasn't It 417 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: wasn't what the mainstream media was worried about. Right, I 418 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: would agree completely. 419 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Here is for more historical examples of how the left 420 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: has just shot leftward. Well, the right has stayed much 421 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: more consistent on this issue. It's old Billy Jeff Clinton 422 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five. 423 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 9: Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more 424 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 9: by hiring a record number of new border guards, by 425 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 9: deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, and 426 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 9: the budget I will present to you we will try 427 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 9: to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens 428 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 9: who are arrested for crimes. We are a nation of immigrants, 429 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 9: but we are also a nation of laws. It is 430 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 9: wrong and oughtimate self defeating for a nation of immigrants 431 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 9: to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws 432 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 9: we have seen in recent years, and we must do 433 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 9: more to stop it. 434 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: Wow, if anybody claims to you that the case is 435 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: anything but that the left has moved miles to the left, 436 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, as many Democrats from you know Bill Maher 437 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: and there are one hundred names have said I didn't 438 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: leave the party, The party left me. If anybody ever 439 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: denies that's true to you, they're either gaslighting you or 440 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: they're a fool. 441 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: It's absolutely true. That is amazing. 442 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: So that's I don't know what year that was, sometime 443 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: between ninety five years so. 444 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: Thirty years ago. 445 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: Obviously, even as a Democrat, a criminal, illegal gets booted out. 446 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: Obviously, all right, how could you what's the counter argument 447 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: to that? The counter argument is you get free healthcare 448 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: paid for by taxpayers. Well, and that's you know, not 449 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: to get off on a tangent that could be like 450 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: a a book. But the triumph of emotionalism over logic 451 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: on the left is one of the greatest effects that 452 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: nobody talks about of a lot of the DEI stuff 453 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: and the microaggression stuff, which was all designed to take 454 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: over institutions to shame people into silence. Then the neo 455 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: Marxists can take over the institutions. 456 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: But I feel offended. 457 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: Therefore I'm right would have been laughed at, for like 458 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: all of American history, all of American history would have said, 459 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, no, his intentions were fine. It's perhaps 460 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: you are offended, but talk it out and you need 461 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: to calm down because he didn't say anything wrong. But 462 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in the last few years, as 463 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: people like Bill Clinton were left here on the center 464 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: right saying what the hell just happened, emotionalism has taken over. 465 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: I think the Democratic Party is still more what you 466 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 3: just heard from Bill Clinton than what's been going on 467 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: for the. 468 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: Last several years. 469 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: I just don't know why somebody doesn't have the freaking 470 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: guts to stand up to the lunatics and be that 471 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: candidate and win in a landslide, I think. 472 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the whole problem. If you've got that outward, 473 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what is it. What percentage of the party, 474 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: thirty percent whatever? Are there the crazy activists and they 475 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: have so much energy our freedom loving Quote of the 476 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: Day Jack was from Eric Hoffer, the great twentieth century author, 477 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: who said, passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to 478 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: an empty life. Thus, people haunted by the purposelessness of 479 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: their lives try to find a new content, not only 480 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: by dedicating themselves to a holy cause, but also by 481 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited 482 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: opportunities for both Wow and again the key sentence, passionate 483 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. 484 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: And yes, so then is how much is it about 485 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: the issue or is it just expressing your misery in 486 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: your life and having someone to blame. Did you see 487 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: that video I tweeted out about the transact Stavists with 488 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 3: the people screaming at some young women who were, you know, against. 489 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 10: You had this crowd mostly men just I mean not 490 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 10: just chanting, but like they were gonna lose their minds 491 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 10: screaming at these women. And you look at that and 492 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 10: you have to think, how would you ever get that 493 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 10: worked up about anything other than maybe defending your own family. 494 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: Because it's not about an issue, it's religious fervor of 495 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: a cult. 496 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. Who would suck down what was? It? 497 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: Wasn't kool aid? I always try to get this right. 498 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: It was actually flavor aid that the Jonestown cult sucked down. Anyway, 499 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: everybody says drinking the kool aid, so just go with 500 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: the flow, Joe, Okay, but how can you explain people 501 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: sucking down poison to go to heaven with their their 502 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: two bit would be cult leader, Yeah, I mean cult 503 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: fervor anyway. 504 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's what you saw there. 505 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: And I want to get back into the radicals and 506 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: the defacing Tesla dealers and that sort of thing in 507 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. But uh, here are a bunch of 508 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: Marylanders reacting to the deportation of the Maryland father of 509 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: two or whatever in the Little League coach Abrego Garcia 510 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: sixty six. 511 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: He was living in Maryland designated MS thirteen terrorists and 512 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: Donald Trump deported him. 513 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: And how does that make you feel? I feel safer. 514 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: He gotta go, He gotta go, He need to go. 515 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: But he was a father, but he's still a terrorist. 516 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: He should have picked the cheese, so he picked to 517 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 6: be a terrist instead of worring about his children. 518 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: The Democrats they want him back. They say he was 519 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 5: wrongfully deported. He has a wife and a kid who's 520 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 5: a citizen. They're calling this a national emergency. Is this 521 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 5: a national emergency? I wouldn't call it national emergency. We 522 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 5: have more things going on? 523 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: Do we have more things? More fish to fry? What 524 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: kind of national emergency for? What? What is the emergency for? 525 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: Ain't no national emergency. 526 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: No, a bunch of white people being racist. Oh excuse me, 527 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: control rooms trying. Oh they were mostly black people. 528 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So. 529 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: According to Rich Lowry of The National Review, who is 530 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: one of the smartest and most reasonable people in journalism, 531 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: he says Kilmar Obrega Garcia should not be in prison 532 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: in l Salvador, and he gets into why, and I 533 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: agree with him, But he also should never have been 534 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: in the United States and should never have been given 535 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: relief from deportation. The White House is trying to make 536 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: the alleged MS thirteen gang member a symbol of illegal 537 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: immigrant crime, while the anti Trump opposition is seeking to 538 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: make the Maryland man a symbol of the administration's disregard 539 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: for due process. What's got less attention, Rich writes, is 540 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: that his case is an example of the self defeating 541 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: absurdities of our immigration system, and in particular of how 542 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: it hands out humanitarian protection. When Abrego Garcia avoided deportation 543 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, he didn't take advantage of asylum, 544 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: which has been a big part of the immigration crisis. 545 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: He used something called withholding of removal. So asylum grants 546 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: you a path to citizenship. Departing from the text here 547 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: for a second, because you know you came from an 548 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: awful place that would persecute you, and we take in 549 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: refugees of that sort, and so we will let you 550 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: stay here and become a citizen. But no, this was 551 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: just the withholding of removal that just prevents a deportable 552 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: alien from being removed to a particular country. In a 553 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: Brogo Garcia's case, El Salvatory. 554 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: Where he is now. 555 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: So he came to the US when he was sixteen 556 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: years old in twenty twelve. He lived here illegally until 557 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: he was picked up by the cops in twenty nineteen, 558 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: put into deportation proceedings. To avoid being removed, he made 559 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: an asylum claim, sought relief under the Unconvention against Torture, 560 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: applied for withholding of removal. An immigration judge did not 561 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: grant him asylum because he hadn't applied soon enough. It 562 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: was just you're supposed to apply in your first year, 563 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: saying hey, here's where i'm here, here's why I'm here, 564 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: and here's why I need to stay. 565 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: He didn't. He just used it as a tool when 566 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: they finally. 567 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: Caught him, and the she didn't know all this, So 568 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: they're like lawyers out there who make their living figuring 569 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: out how to keep these people around. 570 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's probably a reasonably breaky he figured it out. 571 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, and the judge also ruled that there's no 572 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: reasonably you'll be tortured in El Salvador. But the judge 573 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: granted the withholding of removal on some really unconvincing grounds. 574 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: Here's what happened with this guy, and it's funny. I've 575 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: read a version of this story many times, and nobody 576 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: ever explains what the hell of papoosa is. Oh, Brega 577 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Garcia claimed that his mother had a papoosa business. 578 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: I've read that half a times. Sort of like an 579 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: alpaca but with two humps. Yes, no, it half sounds 580 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: like prostitution. That's not it. 581 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: Either it's the national dish in l Salvador or a 582 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: national dish. 583 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: It's like having a hot dog stand. Yeah, so she ran. 584 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: A papoosa business out of the family's home, and a 585 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: gang called Barrio eighteen was extorting and threatening the family. 586 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: It's be a shame of something bad happened to her 587 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: papoosa business. 588 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: That sort of thing. 589 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: Oh, of course it would suck it always protection money, 590 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: they call it, and this included a warning that they 591 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: would take their twelve year old son if the parents' 592 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: payments didn't continue. 593 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: If this is true, it's awful. 594 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: Sure it is, but it's not really a good reason 595 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: to prohibit o Breaker Garcia from being removed to El 596 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Salvador years later, because by the time of the court proceedings, 597 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: the papoosa business had closed. Tell you what, the papoosa 598 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: business ain't what it used to be, so the occasion 599 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: for storting this kid by the gang no longer existed. 600 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: Not only that he wasn't a kid, he was a 601 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: twenty three year old who was more than capable of 602 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: living independently of his family. 603 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: That sort of thing happens with people in the United 604 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: States all the time. Also, though I mean it's not, yes, 605 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: you know, a revolutionary country or something. 606 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. 607 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But you know, if you had to get me 608 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: out of the hood to my cousin's place in the 609 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: suburbs because a gang was trying to recruit me at 610 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: age sixteen, I have enormous sympathy for that situation, But 611 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: when I'm twenty three, not so much. There's more to 612 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: the story. We've got it for you to stay with us. 613 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: They are winning because they've secured the border and the 614 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 4: Democrats at least the worst border crisis in American history, 615 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: and Donald Trump ended it in a month. And eighty 616 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: seven percent of Americans, according to the New York Times poll, 617 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: show I believe that criminal aliens like this guy should 618 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: be deported. So that's why they're not just focusing on 619 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 4: the legal side. 620 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: God, so a mere eighty seven percent, not even half 621 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: jack in favor of deporting criminal illegal aliens I could write. 622 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: For The New York Times, Mark Halpern wrote that he 623 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: can't believe Democrats are. 624 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: Making this their battle Oh. 625 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I guess their battle cry 626 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: is it's a don't make it about this guy, make 627 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: it about due process. We're actually going to talk to 628 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: some folks from the Center for Immigration Studies next hour 629 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: about the due process thing. 630 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: But dudes and d d debts. 631 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: The guy's a criminal, illegal alien gang member. He is 632 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: not your Rosa Parks, right. 633 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: I realize if you're a lawyer or a constitutionalist or whatever, 634 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: it's the due process is the issue. But politically, politically, people, 635 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: the average voter sees okay, an illegal criminal get him 636 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: out of here. 637 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: Next story. That's it. 638 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: So that was Mark Tieson's voice you heard. Coming back 639 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: back to the story of kill Maar. 640 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: Poor name. 641 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Really, if his name was Jimmy or something, kill Maar, 642 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: it just doesn't sound good. Anyway, the guy who was 643 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: shipped off to Al Salvador blah blah blah, due process 644 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Maryland father. Anyway, So this guy got 645 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: a withholding of removal back in the day because he 646 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: allegedly he was a support sixteen year old who gangs 647 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: tried to extort into joining their gang. But when this 648 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: order was giving given, he was twenty three years old 649 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: and his family's business no longer existed, So the idea 650 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: that he could be blackmailed in joining the gang was 651 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: fairly ridiculous. 652 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: Rich Lowry writes to succeed in getting a. 653 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: Withholding of removal, and alien is supposed to that's the 654 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: legal word alien, Feel free to use it. An alien 655 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on 656 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: his race, religion, nationality, membership in particular social group, or 657 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: political opinion. How did this apply to Abregio Garcia. Supposedly 658 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: his family was the particular social group This is a stretch, 659 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: since the gang presumably would have treated anyone with a 660 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: popoosa business the same way. And he also points out 661 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: that there's the fact that l Salvador's president, naib Bukaley, 662 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: is utterly demolished Brio eighteen. 663 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: The gang doesn't really exist anymore. 664 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: So here we had a man Kilmar Abregio Garcio, came 665 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: here illegally and had at best questionable associations, almost certainly 666 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: Emmerson thirteen living and working in the US based on 667 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: a supposed fere of an all but extinct straight gang 668 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: and its threats over long closed business, and we wonder 669 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: why we can't control the legal immigration. Congress should eliminate 670 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: the particular social group category which is often abused, and 671 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: we should fundamentally rethink how humanitarian protection works and even 672 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: if it makes sense to be in the business of 673 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: granting asylum at all. The Trump administration should not have 674 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: blown by the immigration judges ruling in Bregio Garcia's case. 675 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: But that is no way to run an immigration system, right, 676 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: So they should have shipped them back and dotted their 677 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: eyes and crossed their t's. 678 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: He's right because, as we were talking about earlier. 679 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: You can do the right thing, but if you do 680 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: it in the wrong way, the other side can make 681 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: you the bad guy. 682 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: So you gotta be careful. Right, you're stepping on your 683 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 2: own long tie. 684 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: So you've heard many references into due process. Any American 685 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: who understands the Constitution cherishes due process. But what does 686 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: that phrase mean, and what does it mean in immigration, 687 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: and what does it mean with a guy like Garcia. 688 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: We'll talk to the Center for Immigration Study next. If 689 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: you can't stick around, subscribe to or podcast Armstrong and 690 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: Getty on demand. 691 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: You can listen to it later. 692 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty