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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ Bucky here, Move the sticks and

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Speaker 1: uh Buck, we got a fun episode coming up today

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Speaker 1: with another great guest, great guest man. We're please and

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Speaker 1: honor to have on Brian Kelly Hey, coach of the

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Speaker 1: University of Notre Dame. He's gonna go on to share

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Speaker 1: then you know, we have a fun discussion because I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about this Urban Meyer Dallas Cowboys thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating because we've talked about Irban Meyer

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Speaker 1: privately being a great coach, but to hear him talk

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Speaker 1: Then this week we're talking about the college football players

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Speaker 1: all right, let's jump right in here and uh start

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Speaker 1: Um that Josh Gordon being placed on I R. It's

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Speaker 1: And and now they've decided to move on. It looks

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Speaker 1: a It's so it's Emmanuel Sanders and a fifth in

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Speaker 1: This is a perfect fit because Emmanuel Sanders can be

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Speaker 1: to see how Kyle Shanahan scripts and diagrams some of

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Speaker 1: these home run shots to get him Manuo Sanders not

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Speaker 1: only his normal receptions, but look like Manuor Sanders to

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan does a great job of creating home run

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Speaker 1: You know they're gonna run play action those over routes.

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Speaker 1: this was a topic that I thought of, but because

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Speaker 1: stay locked in and stay focused and if you don't, um,

429
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Speaker 1: you better find ways to refocus. And that's okay, that's okay.

430
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as long as you understand how

431
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Speaker 1: to refocus. And it's like a place six seconds long. Right,

432
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: So we talked about our guys. You know, if there's

433
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Speaker 1: a bad play in there just refocus and having the

434
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: skill and having the ability to focus and refocus is fine.

435
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that that you are so

436
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: laser focused for an hour and fifteen minutes. There are

437
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna be times where we all do it that that

438
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: we have to really lock in it at periods of time,

439
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 1: and so I think understanding it, being aware of it

440
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 1: is so much more important. But giving them a pass

441
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: that they need a twenty minute break or excuse me,

442
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: a break after twenty minutes, Um, I don't think that's

443
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: fair to them, to be quite honest with you, because

444
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 1: I think that they can refocus during that time and

445
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 1: get the information they need to coach. Has Those are

446
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: terrific points. Uh. And it brings me a little bit

447
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: to coaching and how the coaching profession has changed. Uh.

448
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: And yes a year when Daniel and I and even

449
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: when you first started coaching, there was a term called

450
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: hard coaching where you could coach gas hard. Well, now

451
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: it seems like hard coaching is frowned upon. Could you

452
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of define how you can be tough on your

453
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: players will still having the every for relationship that they

454
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: know that you're coaching to get the best out of

455
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: them as opposed to demeaning them. Well, I think that's

456
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: the whole point, right, you can be demanding. I don't

457
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: think you can never be demanding demeaning. I think that's

458
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: the line right there, Bucky, is once you become demeaning,

459
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: you can't coach anybody hard because you don't have a

460
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: relationship with anybody, and one that's not worthy of you

461
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: even having the ability to coach somebody. So I'm all

462
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: for demanding as long as it's never demeaning, and that

463
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: means it gets personal, uh, and that you're you're attacking

464
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: the person itself. What you're really working at it demanding

465
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: is setting a standard for which what is acceptable in

466
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Speaker 1: the way that we go to work every day. So

467
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: we're very demanding because we have standards, Um, because we're

468
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Speaker 1: here for for our players, and that is to win

469
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: a championship. And to win a championship, it's kind of

470
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: what I talked about earlier. Um, you've got to have

471
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: a great attitude when you come to work. Um, you've

472
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: got to have great focus. You've got to have obviously

473
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: attention to detail. So if a guy comes to practice

474
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have a great attention to detail. We

475
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: can be demanding about those things. We can be demanding

476
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have grit and he wants to check

477
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: out after you know, three or four tough periods of practice. Um.

478
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: But the demeaning part um that has no place in

479
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: any teaching environment, and it certainly has no place for

480
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: for what I believe to be really good coaching coach.

481
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: One of the questions that Ozzie knewsoon would ask every

482
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Speaker 1: single player that came to the combine when I was

483
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: with the Ravens, he would ask him, uh for an

484
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: example of some adversity that they've been through in their

485
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Speaker 1: life and how they've come out the other side. And

486
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about one particular player that

487
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: you had a chance to coach there and Jalen Smith

488
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: was at that game at the Fiesta Bowl with that

489
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: horrific knee injury, and to see how he's come back

490
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: from that and what he's become for the Dallas Cowboys.

491
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Speaker 1: Were there were there hints? Were there were there uh

492
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Speaker 1: evidence early on his career Notre Dame that you knew

493
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: this kid was was pretty special. Oh, the recruiting process,

494
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: I knew he was special in that Um, you know

495
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: he had every opportunity to go somewhere else, and he

496
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: chose to come to Notre Dame because he wanted to

497
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: challenge himself in so many areas outside of the classroom.

498
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: He wanted to challenge himself in an environment that was

499
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in so many ways to him, uncomfortable in a

500
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: sense that you know, he was somebody that wasn't a

501
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: great communicator, and he wanted to build himself up to

502
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Speaker 1: be a better communicator. He wanted to be able to

503
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: be somebody that could could build a network that when

504
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: he left college that he was going to be able

505
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Speaker 1: to tap into a large network. So he did a

506
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Speaker 1: lot of things in choosing to come to Notre Dame

507
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Speaker 1: that I would have never thought of at that age

508
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: that were remarkable and that we knew that it was

509
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Speaker 1: going to pay off for him after football. So when

510
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Speaker 1: he decided that he was going to play in the

511
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: game and had, um, you know, the resolve to say, look,

512
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Speaker 1: I did this because I'm playing with my brothers, and

513
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: I would do it again because that's why I play

514
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: this game. It's not it's not an individual sport. It's

515
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: a team sport. And I could never not play with

516
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Speaker 1: my teammates. Uh, it's said all about his character. Uh,

517
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: and that's why, UM, you you cheer for guys like

518
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: this when when you see them have success. You know,

519
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: coach Jayleen Smith is one of many guys. And one

520
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: thing that Notre Dame is kind of developed a reputation

521
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: for his developing offensive lineman. Everyone who's around football understands

522
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: that the game is won in the trenches. What is

523
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: it about Notre Dame and the developmental process that has

524
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Speaker 1: allowed you guys to produce so many NFL caliber players. Well,

525
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: there there's a number of you know, traits that that

526
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: I've looked for. UM. You know, you take McGlinchey and

527
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley, both those guys were basketball players. UM. You know,

528
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: first of all, they've got to fit a profile. UM.

529
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: Certainly long athletic. Um, you know, meet a profile. They've

530
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: got to be obviously, UM, very smart to to be here.

531
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Speaker 1: So so they've got a high i Q from that perspective. UM.

532
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: But but we like guys that have athleticism at the position.

533
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: And maybe you're not ready to play, if you will, Uh,

534
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: these guys are going to develop in time, UM, through

535
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: the weight room, through through the development process. UM. And

536
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: and I think that that has has proved to be

537
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: a very good recipe for success UM on film. We

538
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: like finishers, guys that finished plays, that finished blocks UM

539
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: and and have a little edged to them when they

540
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: finish it. UM. We like a motor at the offensive line.

541
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Speaker 1: And as I mentioned McGlinchey and Stanley, just to sit

542
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, name a few. But but going back, you know,

543
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: you know I moved you know, Jason Kelsey from defensive

544
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: tackle to center because we love this his quickness and agility,

545
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: and you know, at the center position to have that

546
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: kind of quickness and agility served him well, you know,

547
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Joe Staley, you know, it was a tight end for

548
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: me at Central Michigan. And and you know obviously a

549
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: long athletic guy. So you can see the prevailing theme

550
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: here in terms of athleticism, quickness, smarts. Uh. And then

551
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: we developed them all, you know, physically over a period

552
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: of time. These guys weren't ready made UM. It took

553
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: some time for them to develop. Coach I want to

554
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: touch but you mentioned a name there. I was in Philadelphia,

555
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: we drafted Kelsey. But I'd love to know having coached

556
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: both Kelsey brothers, and we've got a chance to see

557
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: not only their play on the field, but their personalities

558
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: off the field. I have to believe you have maybe

559
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: maybe one PG Kelsey brother's story that you could share

560
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: with us. Oh man, Um, well, I was just with

561
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: Travis uh this weekend. You know, we are two thousand

562
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: in the nine team got inducted into the Hall of

563
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Fame or Cincinnati team. So I was just Travis this weekend.

564
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna divulge are a few minutes there.

565
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: But Jason, we were practicing and we didn't have a

566
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Speaker 1: we we didn't have a practice facility at Cincinnati. We

567
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: practice in the stadium and Uh he was struggling, uh

568
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: in a practice and he took his helmet off and

569
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: threw it fifteen rows up into the stands. And UH

570
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: and coach Coach Quinn, our offensive line coach, went up

571
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: to Uh Kelsey and said, Uh, you know, coach is

572
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna make you still practice. He goes, what do you mean?

573
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: He goes, you still have to practice? He goes, okay,

574
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm ready. He thought I meant practice without the helmet.

575
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Uh he went right back in the huddle without a helmet,

576
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and Uh, Christine go right back out so, uh, that's

577
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that's a Kelsey story. Uh. They're tough, they're animated, they

578
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: love to play football, and uh, I'd love to have

579
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: both of them on my team anyday. Hey, coach, that's

580
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: an awesome story. And you've seen a lot of great players,

581
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: not only S. S S Natty and such a Michigan and

582
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. The thing, We've asked a bunch of coaches this,

583
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be a player that you

584
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: have personally coaching. Could be someone that you've seen. But

585
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: who is the best high school player that you've ever

586
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: watched pawn tape? M hmm, gosh, there's been so many. Uh.

587
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so enamored with quarterbacks right because they

588
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: usually keep you in this business long longer. Um. I

589
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: remember watching Chase Daniels out of South Lake Carol High School.

590
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal in high school. I mean he just

591
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: it looks so it looks so effortless with him throwing

592
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: the football around and um, he made the game look easy.

593
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: But I would say him and and probably Lee, Um

594
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: Teddy ginn Jr. Uh, it was like there was nobody

595
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: that could touch Teddy gin Jr. On the football field.

596
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Those guys really stood out to me on film. Yeah,

597
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: Ted Ginn, coach, We've had We've had Ted Ginn. I

598
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: think mel Tucker might even mentioned he talked about him.

599
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: But we've had answers to this. Oh yeah, we've had

600
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: some Oh you know, Sammy Watkins got a bunch of love. Uh.

601
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: And then we had we've had Alan Iverson, Alan Iverson,

602
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: Lebron James got some love for watching him. Who else

603
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: do we have? Buck was the name has come up repeatedly.

604
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you another freak was Dorio Green Beckham. Oh yeah, yeah,

605
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: d G B. The big, the big wide receiver. He

606
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: just would I mean it wasn't fair in high school

607
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: with him just going up and and he scored like

608
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: six seven touchdowns a game. It was like, this guy's ridiculous.

609
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's so many guys I could point to,

610
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: but those guys really stood. I remember Charles Rogers out

611
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: of Saginaw High School. UM ended up. I didn't have

612
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: a great career, but Michigan State, Uh, some really great players.

613
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: First round pick. Oh yeah, absolutely, Hey, coach, you know

614
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: this is a big week for you guys. You've got

615
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: a big game coming up, so we know your time

616
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: is precious. We can't thank you enough for taking some

617
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: time for us today and best of luck this weekend.

618
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Bucky, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. Good

619
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: luck coach well Buck. It's it's great to catch up

620
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: with these coaches and feel like you learned something, absolutely

621
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and it's also good to have a little laugh there

622
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: at the uh. That Jason Kelsey story is a beauty

623
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: one of the best we've heard on here. Absolutely one

624
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: of the best that we've heard. But I think it

625
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: speaks to a little bit of what coach talked about

626
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: and what he desired in offensive lineman, guys that have

627
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of an edge, guys that were finishing guess,

628
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: guys that had that nasty temperament outside of being athletic,

629
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: H high, I q uh tough in those things. So uh,

630
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey certainly fits that mode. He is a bit

631
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: of a character, but he does have outstanding football character,

632
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: which is probably more important. Yeah. No, And I thought

633
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: the conversation we had just talking about focus and his point,

634
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, being, hey, look, it's okay if you have

635
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: a breaking focus, but it's important for these athletes they

636
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: can refocus. So if you have a little blip, a

637
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: little slip up um, and that's really kind of on

638
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: the field. You have a bad play, being able to

639
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: then refocus and not get caught up and really let

640
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Speaker 1: that lull continue. I thought the ability to refocus was

641
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: an interesting point. Yeah, I think it's a great point,

642
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of those things that that

643
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: is probably a more doable deal. To set the expectation

644
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: where you expect guys to be completely locked in twenty

645
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, that's an impossible asking my estimation. I

646
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: think you have to train them to, Okay, I've lost

647
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: my focus. How can I get back on tasks? I

648
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: think that is something that has to be worked on,

649
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and he alluded to mental performance coach. I think that

650
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why we're seeing more of

651
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: these top programs bringing guys who can help their players

652
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: understand how to prepare for games, how to visualize, how

653
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: to kind of set their mindset and get the focus

654
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: that they need to perform at a high level. Um,

655
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: As the game becomes increasingly competitive in terms of the

656
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: talent being the same, the talent being comfortable, you have

657
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: to be able to separate yourself with your mental and

658
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly is speaking of that when he talks about

659
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: focus and really providing the tools for his players to

660
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: refocus on a consistent basis. How do you do it

661
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: at the high school level? Buck, you hope that they

662
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: have it every day? Um, I think some of it

663
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: is them. I think you have to demand it. I

664
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: think you have to demand it and do it over

665
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: and over and over again. I think you have to

666
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: set the standard where they understand and you don't relent

667
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: off that standards. So if you're doing a walk through

668
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: and it's not up to too far, you started over

669
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: and you make them repeated uh, you constantly tell them

670
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: and provide a running dial law for a here's where

671
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: we ad Here's where we need to get better. If

672
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: we want to be the championship team that everyone talks

673
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: about being, here's what we need to do, and you

674
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: you don't really relent off that standard. And I think

675
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: that speaks to what coach um have talked about being demanding,

676
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: not demeaning, being demanding in terms of setting the standard,

677
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: making sure that players understand what the standard is and

678
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: they're performing up to the standard. That is what coaching is.

679
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Coaching is demanding and being hard on your players and

680
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: being tough on them because there are things that you

681
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: see in your players that they can't see in themselves.

682
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: And so when Brian talks about the development of his

683
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: offensive line, I think because they've been so demanding of

684
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: those guys, they've been able to kind of raise up

685
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: to the standard and meet the standard, which is why

686
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: those guys have also gone on to play in the

687
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: National Football League. No, dounb't um all right, Buck, what

688
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: you're taking this whole Urban Meyer thing? Man? You know, DJ,

689
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinated by right because we talked about UM,

690
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: we would like to have guys that come to the

691
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: league who have a proven track record of turnarounds. Last week,

692
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you and I probably talked about Matt Rule and how look,

693
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: if you're in an NFL team and you're looking to

694
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: the college rains, I mean, I think Matt Rule has

695
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: to be one of the top guys on your list

696
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: because not only has he done it at Baylor, but

697
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: he's used the same formula and done it at Temple.

698
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: So at Temple and Bailey, we have two examples of

699
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: him having a plan, him executing the plan, and the

700
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: plan being prosperous. Now, if you think about giving him

701
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to come to the National Football League, if

702
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: he implements the plan which features toughness and all those

703
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: other things, I mean, we know that he is being

704
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: able to do it. And so with urban Meyer, I

705
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: mean Urban Meyer maybe one of the godfathers of the turnaround.

706
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: We saw Urban Meyer go to Bowling Green having media success.

707
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: He then went to Utah headed media success goes from

708
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Utah to Florida. Past success goes from Florida Ohio State success.

709
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: So why would I think that if Urban Meyers my coach,

710
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: we're not going to have success? Because the resume proves

711
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: that he is a successful coach. The thing that he

712
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: would have to do, and I wonder about this, does

713
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: he have enough CEO in his game to allow others

714
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: to kind of lead while he is managing the whole

715
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: entire operation. He has done that in my estimation at

716
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State. He empowered his coordinators on offense and defense

717
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: to do things while he handled the special teams. What

718
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: would be his approach in the pros. I do believe

719
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys would be a great fit because the

720
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: one thing that we know about coach Meyer, he understands

721
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: how to coach talent. If you give him a very

722
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: talented team, he understands how to push him over the top.

723
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Some coaches can't coach very talented teams. They can't get

724
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: a loaded roster to the promised land. I think Urban

725
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: Meyer understands how to do that. He's done it repeatedly.

726
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: I think you'd be a terrific NFL coach. Doesn't matter

727
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: does he want to do it? And with the Cowboys

728
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: be willing to move on from Jason Garrett to give

729
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: him that opportunity to get it done, they actually got

730
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism for this comment because Jason Garrett

731
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: is the coach of a first place team at this

732
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: point in time. Um, and I believe he's kind of

733
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: walked it back a little bit about his own interests

734
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: there that he doesn't have interest in that and kind

735
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: of walked that on back. But it did leave us

736
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: definitely with the thought he definitely planned had that thought.

737
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, we'll see what happens if

738
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were to fall apart. We'll see. I mean,

739
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: can you can you I mean you can plan the

740
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: flag all many different places. I mean, he put that

741
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: one in the middle of the star. Uh. He knew

742
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: to that comment would get a lot of attention. I

743
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: think a look deep down the side he he would

744
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: have a desire to maybe coach at the NFL. Make

745
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: coaches are coaches. And if you've had an opportunity to

746
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: watch him on Saturdays, he is terrific at what he

747
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: does broadcasting. But it's hard for me to imagine that

748
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: guy staying in the TV booth when he has so

749
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: much to offer on the field. I just think it

750
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: will be hard for him to continue to set him

751
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: the sidelines when he knows he has a proven recipe

752
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: that bakes a really, really tasty cake. Yeah, well, we'll see,

753
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. You know, urban Meyer is only

754
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: fifty five years old, so we think about line. He's

755
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: been coaching all the national championships. He's still young in

756
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: coaching years, um, So that'll be interesting to see what

757
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he decides to do in the off season. A bunch

758
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: of big college games this weekend, Buck Auburn, um L

759
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: s U. This week we've got a Notre Dame who

760
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: we just talked to, Coach Kelly Notre Dame Michigan. There's

761
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: a really really good football games. It's a good schedule. Um,

762
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: what else do we have? We had another couple of

763
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: good ones. That Wisconsin plays Ohio State. Oh yeah, Wisconsin,

764
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Ohio States a goomer. Obviously you can't forget about app States,

765
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: South Alabama. That's gonna be a fun one. But no,

766
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a good slate. But I want to

767
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: know if you've I've watched a couple of guys lately,

768
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: and so I'll just throw out a couple of names

769
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: and if there's anybody else that's can't interest you, uh,

770
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: let me know. But I'll tell you what. Ohio State,

771
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: you gotta break it up. You can't watch all their

772
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: guys at once because they've got so many NFL guys.

773
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Trying to just grab a little pack of them would

774
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: be a two day or a three day visit. It's

775
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a two day or I think

776
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: you can get it done in two It ain't a

777
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: one day. I can promise you that you're gonna party.

778
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: You can get it done. You do the offense, next day,

779
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: you do the defense. Yeah, I think you can do

780
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: it in two days. Money staywheard for a game. So

781
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: maybe it's two visits at the school and in the game.

782
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: So it's Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yeah. Um. The general

783
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: rule is for me seven plates loaded seven players. If

784
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: if I get more than seven players, I require another day.

785
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: And so at Ohio State, I think I would be

786
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: there for I think I had to pitch a tip.

787
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: There's more than seven. The three that I watched, Look,

788
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I've already done with Kuda, who's a big time, big

789
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: time premier corner prospect. I've done Chase Young, He's in

790
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: the books. He was easy. Um. So the three guys

791
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: that looked at this time, I looked at a couple

792
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: more guys in their secondary. Damon Arnette, the corner who

793
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: is really really he's a you know, pretty twitched up, aggressive, explosive. Um,

794
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: a little bit tight, uh, but I can find the ball.

795
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: He's a good player. I mean I gave him a

796
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: grade that puts him kind of in that early second

797
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: round range. Sean Wade, who plays the nickel for them,

798
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: is silky smooth. I don't know how twitched up, explosive

799
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: fast he's gonna be. Um. It looked more kind of

800
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: like a mid four or five guy when you watch

801
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: him just that way, but fluid, very instinctive, tough, works

802
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: through blocks in the run game. Um, he's a good blitzer.

803
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a good nickel. I mean

804
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: he's six pounds, so he's good sized kid. Um, and

805
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: he's a he's another one. I think probably you're talking

806
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: about second third round type player. And then Devon Hamilton

807
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: had got some buzz their defensive tackle, so I watched him.

808
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: Thought he's a little bit more of a down the

809
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: line guy, more of a line of scrimmage player. Uh,

810
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: strong hold the point of attack, but just not a

811
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of not a lot of juice as as a

812
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: rusher there. But that's just three more guys in Ohio State.

813
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: Bucket's just you gotta kind of take him up in chunks.

814
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: There's so many of these guys take him over with chus.

815
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: But the whire you why are you there and you're

816
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: making your visit, Uh, keep your eyes on number one

817
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: to quarterback because the quarterback is really playing really well

818
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: for them. Uh Like he's athletic, he's kind of freakish

819
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: with some of the stuff that you can do. And

820
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I think what is very impressive about what Ryan Day

821
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: has done. Ryan Dave really hasn't run him like he

822
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: was being used and utilize it at at Georgia. In

823
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: terms of as a running he makes his plays kind

824
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: of as an improvisational playmaker, but from the pocket he's

825
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: been terrific. I would like to go on the other

826
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: side in this game, and I think this game is

827
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: going to be kind of the measuring stick game for

828
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, the running back. Jonathan Taylor, to me is

829
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: a really good player. I still don't know what he

830
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: is as a prospect, and I think for me what

831
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: happens is my mind is still clouded. Because every running

832
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: back that plays at Wisconsin gains a ton of yards.

833
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen guys like John Clay game yards.

834
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: We've seen some of these nondescript players international Football League

835
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: half reduction at Wisconsin, and part of that is driven

836
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: by the fact that they always appear to have a

837
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: dominant offensive line um even though they run a pro

838
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: style system. Some of the production is systematic in the

839
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: way that is derived. And so what I want to

840
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: see in a game against a loaded NFL caliber defense,

841
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: what does Jonathan Taylor give me that is beyond the ordinary?

842
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Can he give me more than just a three or

843
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: four yard game. Can I see him pop some runs?

844
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: Can I see him display some creativity where look, there's

845
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: nothing there, but he finds a way to get five yards.

846
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: Those are the things that leave me to believe that

847
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: he could be a dominant player at the next level.

848
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: But if he is only given me what is blocked,

849
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: then I know that. Look, I need to go easy

850
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: on him and not give him credit where credit isn't

851
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: due because the offensive line of Wisconsin is always dominant

852
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: into big tent. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to watch him.

853
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: And also, I would say another running back in the game,

854
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: j K Dobbins there at Ohio State, UM, who was

855
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: talking with somebody in the league of the day that

856
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: felt he was gonna end up being one of the

857
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: top three or four running backs in this year's class. So, um,

858
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I've got to do him again. There's always more Ohio

859
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: State guys to watch if you do want to get

860
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: at a little field though, for what the best defensive

861
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: player in the country looks like. Um, I think I

862
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: tweeted out I think was tweeting on it was an

863
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: Instagram tweeted out a little video of Chase Young against

864
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: Northwestern you can see what that looks like. Uh, he's uh,

865
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: he's easy, you know, he's he's pretty easy to scare,

866
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: very very difficult, I mean very very easy, very easy,

867
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: very easy to all Right, we gotta get to some

868
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: We gotta get some questions here. We we've encouraged people.

869
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: If you want us to answer some questions, go to

870
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. Leave us a little rating there. We appreciate

871
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: the five stars, trust me, we do um and then

872
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: throw a comment in there, drop a question in there

873
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, and we'll do our best to answer

874
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: it each and every Thursday. So, Nabile, you've got some

875
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: more questions for us, fire away. First one, can you

876
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: guys expand upon the necessity to match a QB's playing

877
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: style with the nature of the play caller. A great

878
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: aggressive play caller can only get so much out of

879
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: a conservative QB and vice versa. Oh, Buck, can I

880
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: take this one? You get it. I'm curious to see

881
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: what the Oakland Raiders do next year for this very reason,

882
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: because I get the sense that John Gruden would like

883
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more aggressive and a little

884
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: bit more vertical with his passing game. And right now,

885
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Derek Carr while very efficient, everything is is underneath and intermediate,

886
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: and he's not, you know, one that likes to take

887
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot of shots down the field. So that is

888
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: going to be a great test um between what is

889
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: the core philosophy and belief of the play caller versus

890
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: what the skill set and style of play is of

891
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And you know, if you if you're looking

892
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: at different quarterbacks that could fit different guys. Let's say,

893
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: look and maybe Derek Carry. They you know, win enough

894
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: games and they feel good about it and they move

895
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: forward and that's their guy. But I would love to

896
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: see this marriage of player and uh and coach. You

897
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: ready for this book? Yeah, I'm trying to who you

898
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: possibly could be? No, how about a re a semi

899
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: reclamation project. He's playing a little bit better this year.

900
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: What if Jamis Winston was paired up with John Gruden.

901
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: I would like to see that. I would like to

902
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: see how that would work. I would be very curious

903
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: because John Grewden I believe that as core wants to

904
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: run the ball and be aggressive down the field, and

905
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, you ain't gonna have to teach him to

906
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: be aggressive. You're gonna have to rerain him in a

907
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: little bit because that's what he wants to play the game. So, um,

908
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: if for some reason, who knows, maybe Derek Carr is

909
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: still that guy for the Raiders, and maybe Jamis Winston

910
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: continues to blossom under Bruce arians and that's their guy

911
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: going forward in Tampa. But I would just be curious

912
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: to see that marriage between Winston and Gruten. Well, I mean,

913
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly like when you think stylistically, um,

914
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: how Gruden wants to play, it matches up. They want

915
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: to run the ball downhill, they want to take shots

916
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: down the field. In Oakland, you have to remember that

917
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: the history of the Oakland Raiders is all about the bomb.

918
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: It's all about the deep shot, not about checkdowns and

919
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: these little things. It's about we're gonna throw it over

920
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: the head of the defense. We don't care what covers

921
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: you're in. That's what we do. Uh. Jamimes Winston and

922
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: John Gruten. I think the relationship would be one of

923
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the more roller coaster relationships that we've witnessed, because I

924
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: think Bruden would love him on his highs and would

925
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: absolutely despise him on his loads because he's going to

926
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: turn the ball over, but I wouldn't mind saying it.

927
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: I think coaching matters, scheme, location, all that stuff matters

928
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: more than we ever can imagine. Uh, it'll be interesting,

929
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: interesting situation to kind of see play out. Give us

930
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: another question, what do we got? All right? Love the

931
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: hits and MRS segments? Have the mrs changed your evaluation process,

932
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: criteria and what have you learned from each? Taken forward?

933
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: There's some talk of how your notes did identify some issues,

934
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: but what made you discount those and how do you

935
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: rebalance your criteria in the future. Well, I'll tell you what.

936
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can be stubborn, um, and other times you

937
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: you're you figure things out and I can give you

938
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of examples of both. Buck.

939
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: There's been rules that I've set in place after seeing

940
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: a player I've missed on and I've said I'm not

941
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: going to do that again. And then sure enough you

942
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: get lolled and you get fooled, and you get tricked

943
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: and you find yourself making the same mistake. But absolutely, um,

944
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: you need to go back and self evaluate. I always

945
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: encourage anybody if you're if you're working in college recruiting, UM,

946
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: don't just look at the at the guys you brought in,

947
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: go back and look at players that went elsewhere and

948
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, I was I was too high on

949
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: this guy, I was too low on that guy, and

950
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: you better figure out the reasons why. That's how you grow.

951
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: There's no magical there's no magical mentor that's over your

952
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: shoulder that's going to tell you, oh, you you need

953
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: to learn from this mistake or you did this right

954
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: and that No, no, no no, You've got to do it yourself. UM.

955
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: So I think I've always felt the self scouts very

956
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: important and that's why we have you know, we have

957
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: some fun on it. Hits the mrs thing and I

958
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: hope that um try and explain what some of the

959
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: warning signs were there and what was missed and how

960
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: you corrected. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's tough because

961
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: when I when I go back and I look at

962
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: all of these things, and I think it's important that

963
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: you can consistently do this. You try to figure out,

964
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: like where where did I mess up? Where what did

965
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: I miss? Is this something where I missed completely on

966
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the player? Did the player drastically change and improve? Is

967
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 1: this something where I couldn't project how a guy would

968
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: play in a certain system. Um is it where I

969
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: just look, I just hell too tight to what my

970
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: initial reaction was, and I should have relented on the grade.

971
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: Um and I'll used was it the twenties seventeen? What

972
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: quarterback class? Deshaun Watson and Mr r Brisky and all

973
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: those guys are in. Yeah, so the seventeen class, I

974
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: can say, Look, I had a couple of misses. Um.

975
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: One of my misses I like Deshaun Watson, and I

976
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: knew Deshaun Watson was a great player based on everything

977
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: that I knew about him watching tape but also knowing him,

978
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: and I put them first, But I didn't do it

979
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: with the kind of conviction that I probably should have

980
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: done it with. I held on too long to Deshaun Kaiser.

981
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser uh fascinated me with his size, his arm, talent,

982
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: and then when he talked, I was like, man, this

983
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: guy is smart, he gets it or whatever. But the

984
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: warning signs were there, because what did Brian Kelly said?

985
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: What did other coaches say? Like people talked about that

986
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire, and I probably should

987
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: have heated those warnings a little bit, and then when

988
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: it comes to the Pat Mahomes thaying, because I think

989
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: that Pat mahomes evaluation is fascinating on the outside of

990
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: the media type. We had a lot of people that

991
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: were claiming him and said like, hey, man, we knew

992
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: he was gonna be this or whatever. But I couldn't

993
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: get anybody to a man, you know how you call

994
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: your buddies, just for a different set of a little validation,

995
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: a little confirmt confirmation. I couldn't get anyone to say, hey,

996
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a stud in the league. What I

997
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: got a lot of was man, and he's really talented,

998
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: but while he's raw, I don't know if you can

999
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: corral that and get it going. And so because of that,

1000
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: I never fully jumped in on the Path Mahomes experience. Now,

1001
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: if I had known that he was gonna be paired

1002
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: with Andy Reid and some of the things where the

1003
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: game is involved, who knows, But I feel like I

1004
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: could have gone a little hard with Path Mahomes. And

1005
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: then the Mitchell Drobisky thing, which is interesting because they

1006
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: have to have this conversation soon with the Chicago Bears.

1007
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: I knew it. I knew it in my gut that

1008
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't a guy I knew in the same conference

1009
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: in the A. C. C. Mitchell Drobiski Deshaun Watson. If

1010
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: you pulled all the coaches who was the most feared quarterback,

1011
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: they always say Deshaun Watson. So it made sense to

1012
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: me that Deshaun Watson should be the top one, whereas MITTERR.

1013
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: Drobiski to me, kind of caught the way because he

1014
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: was different than what was offered and people thought in

1015
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: those thirteen games. I think sometimes we oversell it. We've

1016
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: seen this with underclassman Sometimes we oversel the potential rather

1017
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: than look at what the production really was when he

1018
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to play. I'll tell you what It's

1019
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I look, I have told everybody

1020
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: that has ears to listen that, you know, Pat Mahomes

1021
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: a huge miss on my part in that draft, and

1022
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: and like you, I had Deshaun Watson as my top quarterback,

1023
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: but should have had him much higher than I had

1024
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: him rated um that year. But to me, the Mahomes

1025
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: lesson and what I've taken from that and and hopefully

1026
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: you can use it with these evaluations at that position

1027
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: going forward, when you need to to really reserve ultimate

1028
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: judgment in terms of where you slide somebody on your

1029
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: list until you meet with him. At that position, it's

1030
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: so important. It's so important to get a feel for

1031
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: these guys, to talk with him. And what we knew

1032
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: about Mahomes. You talked about the incredible talent. We knew

1033
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: it was incredibly raw. Um, what I did not know

1034
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: until we met with him, which I believe was maybe

1035
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: before the draft, but late last minute, and he came

1036
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: in the studio and we we quizzed him and his

1037
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: recall was outstanding. He was engaging. Um, you could tell

1038
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: this guy isn't intelligent. Man, this is an and I

1039
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: mean I'm just talking like book smart. I'm talking football smart. Understood.

1040
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: The guy gets it. So so now I've got all

1041
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: these tools and then now I've got somebody that's football

1042
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: intelligent and has you know, work ethic based off of

1043
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, talking to him and talking to more people.

1044
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: So it was like, okay, that was the kind of

1045
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: the missing piece. Once we got that, it was too

1046
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: late in the process for us to uh to really

1047
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: vault him all the way up there. At that point

1048
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: in time, when you have been talking about the guy

1049
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: the old draft process, So that was a lesson to me.

1050
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: You gotta meet these guys. You gotta meet with them,

1051
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and hopefully sooner rather than later. And that's why it's

1052
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: been great for us at the at the All Star Games,

1053
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: at the Combine to really really uh take the time

1054
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: to get to know these kids and get a chance

1055
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: to do it some pro days as well. Yeah, DJ,

1056
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: it's funny you talked about that because the Pat Mahomes

1057
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: thing when he came in. I remember he said in

1058
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: the season we were talking to him and he was

1059
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: uh being able to recall plays on the spot. But

1060
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the recall or the football i Q.

1061
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: I think the thing that stood out to me and

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Speaker 1: at interview and we talked about reading body language, it

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Speaker 1: was the eagerness and the desire to want to learn

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Speaker 1: learn more about the position, to want to be great

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Speaker 1: that came out. And I just think that if I

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Speaker 1: had been around him earlier, I would have been a

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Speaker 1: little more willing to bet on the kid as opposed

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Speaker 1: to the prospect, Like, look, man, this kid wants it.

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Speaker 1: I know him, I feel them, I feel his um energy.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about certain things with the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: his enthusiasm, he had all of those things, and I

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Speaker 1: just didn't give him his proper do when it came

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Speaker 1: to that. Still I had him in. I think I

1074
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: had him borderline first round. I should have been a

1075
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: little more convicted and put him firmly in squarely in

1076
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Speaker 1: the first round because he was Yeah, yeah, I thought

1077
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: it was high risk, high reward. But man, it has

1078
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: been definitely done the reward side of things, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nobil, give us one more what we got.

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Speaker 1: Are there any late round players that have overplayed their

1081
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: draft spot or surprised you? Uh sure, I'll give you

1082
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: two names here. Um won the obvious one. Gardner Minshew.

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00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: You know from where he was in this quarterback group,

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: he obviously got the opportunity there with Jacksonville hasn't been

1085
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: all roses, but he's been, you know, much better than

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00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, what I thought we would see early on

1087
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: in his career. And then I'll give you Max Crosby

1088
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. You know, take Cleanland Farrell with the

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00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick, Max Crosby a little bit later on

1090
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: in the draft. Max Cross has been a better player.

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00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: I know. Farrell has been a little bit nicked up,

1092
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: but Crosby's had an impact for a team that desperately

1093
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: UH needs an edge rusher. So you like, I liked

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00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: his length and his athleticism. I think I had him

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: in the you know, I gave him about a fourth

1096
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: round grader. So and he's played, He's played better than that.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. So so my gay, I would go to

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00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: the running back class, and I would go to Philip

1099
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: Lindsay UH with the Denver Broncos, because I never thought

1100
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: that Philip Lindsay would be able to be a workhorse

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00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: running back, let alone a Pro Bowl caliber workhorse running back.

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Speaker 1: But that's what he was able to do as a rookie,

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00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: and I think the lesson to be learned there. Um,

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00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: he had certain traits that you just can't find. He

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00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: was fast, and anytime you have a running back who

1106
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: we speed, there's always an opportunity for him to maybe

1107
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: make his way in the league. And then the other

1108
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: thing where I didn't see it. I never saw him

1109
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: necessarily cut. So people talking about him being hurt, but

1110
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: he really didn't kind of overcome that until later. In

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00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: terms of just like the physicality and toughness. I just

1112
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: wondered would he'd be able to endure and withstand the punishment.

1113
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: But he's being able to do it, and so that's

1114
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: wrong by me that I didn't have Hi as a

1115
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: draftable player. Yeah, all right, you cheated on me. I thought, well,

1116
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I was assuming we had to

1117
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: do it for this year's draft a year. You know.

1118
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Speaker 1: Just that's that's all. They're all. They're all kind of

1119
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: they're all kind of once once, once drafted hes. They

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00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: all kind of just they're like a jomba juice. They're

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00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: just kind of all a blended, you know. I can't

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00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: say you're right, you're right, um buck, I'm gonna be.

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00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be vulnerable here for a

1124
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Speaker 1: second because we have that type of relationship. I'm getting,

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00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: uh getting my tea whiten tomorrow. And uh, I'm a

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00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: little bit nervous about this. Think about you want to

1127
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: talk about bad but I'm drinking too much coffee. You're

1128
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: getting too yellow. So I'm getting I'm getting them whitened

1129
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. But they said this is bad planning

1130
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: because they said you can't have any like uh marinara

1131
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: sauce or any type of You can't have coffee or

1132
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: anything like that for like two or three days or else.

1133
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I guess that we're staying your teeth buck. I fly

1134
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Speaker 1: to Chicago on Saturday. I didn't even put that together,

1135
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to like the home of the best

1136
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: pizza on the planet, and I literally can't have any

1137
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: that's all time fail on my part. That's a good

1138
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: discipline that you learned. The Appalachian State will really come in.

1139
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Speaker 1: I think you should just go to the hotel room.

1140
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a hot dog when I'm eating plaining

1141
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: white rice. Get your hot dog, Get your Chicago dog.

1142
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Speaker 1: Be careful with to catch up. Catch up Mustard, Yeah,

1143
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: you catch up for mustard about yellow or red teeth. Well,

1144
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: this will beat the opportunity for you to Dave damnae

1145
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: check and see if a hot dog is a sandwich

1146
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: or not, because that's one of his big contentious Okay,

1147
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: oh there you go. I called my our my buddy,

1148
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: Chris Mortenson. I called me the other day and I

1149
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: was real serious in tone. I go, hey, more, I

1150
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: need you to uh, I need to pray for me. Man.

1151
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: I've got a procedure coming up on Friday, and he's like,

1152
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: what's going on? Everything? Okay, what's steal? Good? More? I'm

1153
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna have my teeth white and man, so I don't

1154
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: need to be a little sensitive. They they say that

1155
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: your teeth can get real sensitive when you do this.

1156
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: He's like, you're such an idiot. I'm end up looking

1157
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: like Ross Geller from Friends. It's gonna be nice. It's

1158
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be nice. You love it some pearly

1159
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Speaker 1: whites there, Buck all right, that's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: us today. I appreciate you guys checking us out. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed our conversation with Brian Kelly. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: him for taking the time for us during a very

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