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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day at the State.

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Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the Salid Verbo Boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 2: ty Hildebrandt. You will hear from Dan Rubinstein momentarily. This

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Speaker 2: is another excerpt from College Football Thursdays. It's a show

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Speaker 2: we do live on Spotify every Thursday evening five p m.

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Speaker 2: Eastern Time. In the clip, you're about to hear Dan

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Speaker 2: and I are pondering the question are we buying? Are

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Speaker 2: we selling? We've talked so much about these teams at

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Speaker 2: this point, we're in week eleven. Now are we buying

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Speaker 2: or are we selling a certain team's trajectory moving into

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Speaker 2: the final couple weeks of the season. Again, we do

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Speaker 2: the show every Thursday, five pm East, two p m West.

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Speaker 2: If you weren't able to join us this week, please

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your week eleven as always, stay solid. TCU at

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Speaker 2: Texas Texas favored by seven Georgia minus sixteen and a

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Speaker 2: Ducks favored by thirteen and a half points. Case State

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Speaker 2: got shootout written all over it. The Deeks favored by

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Speaker 2: Texas A and M at Auburn. I saw a line

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Speaker 2: in our chat, I believe from Emery who said that

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Speaker 2: if I sell Texas A and M, do I get

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Speaker 2: eighty five million dollars to the fair question? To Emory,

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Speaker 2: thank you for bringing that to our attention. The obvious

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Speaker 2: headliner here is TC you at Texas, and that's a

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Speaker 2: big line. Seven points is a big line to me.

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Speaker 2: I saw it. I kind of raised my brows and

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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit on our show, and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a writer from CBS I

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Speaker 1: just on top of it, posted that Texas I think

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Speaker 2: That's not great.

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Speaker 1: Not great. And as you know, TCU has gotten stronger

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Speaker 1: not just Undefeated's seven to one and one eighty seven

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Speaker 1: And in the way that perhaps the implication was initially

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you, to let me ask you

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Speaker 2: this specifically about TCU. Are you buying or selling TCU's

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Speaker 2: ability to be competitive in a playoff game? Tell me

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Speaker 2: who they're playing, Well, it could be Ohio State, It

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Speaker 1: Probably not, he says, probably not, sell, sell, sell, So

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Now, I don't think Texas is that team. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I'm with you. I don't think if

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Speaker 2: This team has defied gravity otherwise so far the season, though,

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Speaker 1: As do I I'd feel better if Mississippi State's defense

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Speaker 1: I think they can cover the spread comfortably. Now it's

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Speaker 1: situationally it's tricky. I still think Georgia does too much

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Speaker 2: All right, These other games here quick to I want

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Speaker 2: The Washington Oregon game, I do want you to give

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Speaker 2: one for Ty versus the world. The Wake North Carolina

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Speaker 2: I think there'd be so many points in that game.

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Speaker 2: I think I would take North Carolina. I trust Drake

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Speaker 1: The turnover issues, the lack of a run game for

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Speaker 2: Before we get to tie versus the world, give us,

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Speaker 2: give us a minute on Oregon. Washington Oregon favored by

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Speaker 2: It's actually kind of a tricky slate. Washington this week,

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Speaker 2: Those are three good deals three Bowl teams. Right. Both

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Speaker 2: Oregon State six and three. Don't know where they'll be

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Speaker 2: How do we feel in a game like this against

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna ben uphill climb. If this game

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Speaker 1: be nothing hanging over this team. With Dan lanning statement

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Speaker 1: with that on sidekick, so they know they can't fully

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Speaker 1: depend on this defense all the time. DJ Johnson. They're

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Speaker 1: starting Ed Rusher missed their last game against Colorado. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what his status is, but certainly they need

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Speaker 1: all the help they can get rushing the passer. I

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Speaker 1: just think it's an underthink express game. I think Oregon

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Speaker 1: can run straight at Washington and succeed. We saw Washington

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Speaker 1: play Oregon State, which I think Oregon State's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: especially on defense, but we saw Washington with a complete

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Speaker 1: inability to separate themselves from a team who couldn't throw

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Speaker 1: the ball downfield. Oh Nicks can throw the ball downfield.

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Speaker 1: He is a Heisman caliber quarterback this year against a

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Speaker 1: schedule that has not been the most challenging. Mind you,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if Washington's defense is all that

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Speaker 1: different from the defense's Oregon's face thus far