WEBVTT - The OTP | Planning for Training Camp

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells

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<v Speaker 1>and we are joined by Tennessee Titans head coach Brian Callahan. Coach,

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<v Speaker 1>We're so happy to have you here. It's a holiday weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of time for relaxing and slowing down,

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<v Speaker 1>and we want to talk about all of that. But

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<v Speaker 1>first we've got to do some football stuff. Early, early, early,

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<v Speaker 1>early in the off season program, you established that competition

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<v Speaker 1>was the name of the game throughout the whole process.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it that you saw or noticed about the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four season that you felt like a little

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<v Speaker 1>more competition could solve that problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's probably more layers to it than that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly after the season, from feedback from coaches and players

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<v Speaker 2>as we left, and obviously whatever whatever we did prior

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't quite good enough. And so how do you know

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a leader, you have to sit there

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<v Speaker 2>and you got to take a lot of different viewpoints

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<v Speaker 2>and criticisms, and you have to be open to that

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<v Speaker 2>because at the end of the day, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make make you better, it's going to make our team better,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to make our process better. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different things that that some coaches and players

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<v Speaker 2>and people had sort of gave me feedback on that

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<v Speaker 2>I reflected on for a long time, and it's how

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<v Speaker 2>do you take all this information and how do you

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<v Speaker 2>make it actionable? How do you how do you take

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<v Speaker 2>a comment here and an idea here and another idea

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<v Speaker 2>over here, and so how do you manage all those things?

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<v Speaker 2>So I spent a lot of time going back through

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<v Speaker 2>all the things that the conversations I had at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year with a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 2>and I sort of came away with like three or

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<v Speaker 2>four main points of emphasis. One is how do we

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<v Speaker 2>win football games? That's that's the goal, right, how do

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<v Speaker 2>we better put ourselves in position to win in doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>When you're saying how do we win football games? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we keep ourselves first and foremost from losing

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<v Speaker 2>football games? Because that's a huge part of NFL football

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<v Speaker 2>is that you can lose a game a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier than you can win one. And so we went

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<v Speaker 2>through and looked at and as part of yourself scout

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<v Speaker 2>and all that, all the different things that we did

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<v Speaker 2>and where we can actionably improve the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>can control, right, what are what did we do in

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<v Speaker 2>games that don't doesn't have anything to do with talent,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't anything do with scheme. What are the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we can very actionably be better at that we can

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<v Speaker 2>control on a regular basis, And then how do we

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<v Speaker 2>measure it and verify it? That's kind of the theme

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<v Speaker 2>of what you what I'm going to talk about ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the first thing. How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Then the second thing was, we need more connection on

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<v Speaker 2>our football team from top to bottom coaches and players.

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<v Speaker 2>Coaches and coaches, how do you how do you players

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<v Speaker 2>to players? How do you foster connection? I thought we

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<v Speaker 2>had okay connectivity on our team, but it just needed

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be more, It needs to be better.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do we do that? And for pro athletes

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<v Speaker 2>generally speaking, the thing that they connect over the quickest

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<v Speaker 2>is competition. Yeah, and so how do you how do

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<v Speaker 2>you make something that they're going to that doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, Kitchie and in high schooling and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but still but still gets to the core

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<v Speaker 2>of what you're trying to accomplish, which is is to

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<v Speaker 2>ramp up the level of competition, which should also then

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<v Speaker 2>in turn ramp up the level of connection those are

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<v Speaker 2>that that was kind of the core of what I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at over over the course of the leading

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<v Speaker 2>up to the off season program is that how do

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<v Speaker 2>we do those things? How do we win football games?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we take take command of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we can control, and then how do we connect our

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<v Speaker 2>football team better? And a lot of that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be through competitive drills, competitive practices, competitive games for

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<v Speaker 2>lack of a better term. And it really sort of occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a Peyton McCollum, who's who's our assistant wide

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<v Speaker 2>receivers coach. He had came to me and said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there's here's something you should here's the thought. And I

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<v Speaker 2>take thoughts and ideas from everybody, and and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this. You know, there's a there's a coach that

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<v Speaker 2>that I've kind of gotten familiar with over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a guy named Anson Anson Durants who's the head

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<v Speaker 2>women's soccer coach in North Carolina. He's written now multiple

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<v Speaker 2>books and you know they've been North Carolina women's soccer

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<v Speaker 2>has been one of the highest they're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best programs in sports. And he was like, you should

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<v Speaker 2>just breath this. It's pretty interesting on how they structure

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<v Speaker 2>practice and how they compete, and so I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>dove down this rabbit hole of all the things they

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<v Speaker 2>did there and it's super fascinating. They do an unbelievable job.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I come to find a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>can from Dean Smith, who was obviously legendary coach for

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina men's basketball, and how they charted and uh

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<v Speaker 2>tracked practice. Uh So there's there's a whole and act

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like that's really fascinating. Well, how do I

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<v Speaker 2>how do we do something? Here's all the things I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, here's some ideas, and how do you

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<v Speaker 2>meld them together? That's sort of how the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>was born. And it was again a lot of thought

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<v Speaker 2>and effort and time and energy put into it. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we divided our That's the first step was

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<v Speaker 2>dividing the locker room back into into not just by

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<v Speaker 2>position groups, so we weren't siloed in the positions, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where we spend all our time is with our position.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mixed the whole locker room up, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, let's mix the whole team up and

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<v Speaker 2>So the idea was this, we come up with these

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<v Speaker 2>eight different teams they have captains, and now you have

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<v Speaker 2>eight captains, and then you have a bunch of guys

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<v Speaker 2>that are competing for something other than just an offensive

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<v Speaker 2>defensive win. You know, in practice, so an offensive player

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<v Speaker 2>might get a point for a touchdown, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>might have a defensive player on his team that he's

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<v Speaker 2>playing against that has a negative because he just had

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<v Speaker 2>bad leverage and he gave up the touchdown. And so

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<v Speaker 2>there's this sort of points back and forth that really

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<v Speaker 2>the guys as it went on, they really bought into

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<v Speaker 2>and the competition amongst the players that wasn't just offense

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<v Speaker 2>and defense. That was truly about they wanted their team

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<v Speaker 2>to win. And so we again points, we points are

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<v Speaker 2>assigned for a million different things. But the idea was

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<v Speaker 2>is how do we how do we connect more through that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it was a really cool offseason program. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>the players will probably tell you their perspective on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but for me, it felt like the intent of what

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to do we got out of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's encouraging and exciting for me as a head coach.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for our football team is that we found

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get all of those things kind of

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<v Speaker 2>packed into a very short amount of time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we got value from it and we're better for

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<v Speaker 2>it because of the of how we went about our business.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that's a kind of a long roundabout

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<v Speaker 2>way of talking about the whole process, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to have the context in the background of

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<v Speaker 2>where it came from and why we're doing it. And

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, the one of the first videos I

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<v Speaker 2>showed the team and the team meeting was a video

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<v Speaker 2>from Steve Kerr from the Quarter Gold documentary, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really fantastic about all these other, you know, the other

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<v Speaker 2>basketball teams for the Olympics, and Steve cur said he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been around a bunch of winning, He's won a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>he's you know, first and foremost good players. That's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, he goes, but there's two things that matter most,

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<v Speaker 2>and what wins its joy and its competition. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the third part is it's the joy in the success

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<v Speaker 2>of others. And that sort of was like, that makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me, And I think that's what we got

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<v Speaker 2>out of our off season program, is that was those

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of joy and a whole lot of competition,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we're better for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because conventional wisdom would say there's a five

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<v Speaker 1>in line when instilling competition in something where you want

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<v Speaker 1>guys to compete, but not compete to the level where

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<v Speaker 1>you then fracture a locker room like you go too far.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like throughout this whole off season you've

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<v Speaker 1>done a really good job of minding that line and

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<v Speaker 1>getting peak performance and peak competition. So you're right at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of that curve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anytime now there's when you're competing for something there

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<v Speaker 2>you're always risking that that you're tipping over the edge

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<v Speaker 2>right where it goes a little bit too too far.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't had that issue, I think partly because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not it's not just a offense defense competition that there's

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<v Speaker 2>that there's more involved in it, and there's more things

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<v Speaker 2>that they're competing for with their team of guys as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to our side of the ball. Because then you

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<v Speaker 2>do sides of the ball sometimes and it just becomes

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes almost irritating and personal. Is that they just

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<v Speaker 2>they just want to beat the hell out of each other,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Right, This wasn't that This

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that style of competition necessarily. It was more about

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<v Speaker 2>the connecting and the building up of the players and

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<v Speaker 2>the building of the relationships with guys maybe they hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been around a lot previously, and I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>kept it from being more than what we were looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>So in your first year, you build a foundation to

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<v Speaker 1>your football team what it's going to be. In your

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<v Speaker 1>second year, you're adding this layer of connecting, of competition

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of establishing that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation going forward, that we handle ourselves in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you hoping that that creates in your team

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<v Speaker 1>as you go through training camp and beyond through the season.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, you're trying to create

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<v Speaker 2>You're trying to create your culture of what you want

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<v Speaker 2>your team and you're building to look like and act

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<v Speaker 2>like to the point where what you hope happens is

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<v Speaker 2>you get to you get to a spot where you

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<v Speaker 2>bring somebody in and they do something that isn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in line with how we operate, and people go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't do that here, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not how were that's not how we

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<v Speaker 2>do business here. That's what you're trying to get to,

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<v Speaker 2>is you're trying to get to something that's so ingrained

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<v Speaker 2>in the locker room in the building that that's what's expected,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your that that is what your standard is. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to go earn our standard. You know, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't just get to say what your standard is.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to earn it right, and and you earn

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<v Speaker 2>that through At the end of the day, you your

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<v Speaker 2>culture and your standards and your expectations are are ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>built through winning, because that's what we're all trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get done is win football games. But there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>other part of that that as you as you win

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<v Speaker 2>and you build through the culture, through the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you're emphasizing and expecting, you hope that that's ultimately what

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<v Speaker 2>takes hold and then it becomes who you are, It

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<v Speaker 2>becomes what your organization is, your football team is that

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<v Speaker 2>when you walk in that locker room, there's no there's

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<v Speaker 2>no confusion on what's expected and what works for us here.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're not a part of that, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't buy into that, then you won't be here.

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tennessee Titans. Now back to the OTP. This

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<v Speaker 1>team looks very different in twenty twenty five than it

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<v Speaker 1>did in twenty twenty four. A lot of new faces.

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<v Speaker 1>This roster has just experienced a lot of change. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make some sweeping generalizations about this team

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<v Speaker 1>and you can let me know if I am heading

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<v Speaker 1>down the right path here. The first one is that

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main characteristics you guys were looking for

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<v Speaker 1>in free agent acquisitions over the twenty twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>offseason was durability. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's hard to It's hard to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and pay players that you don't know if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to play seventeen games for you, because you're at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day. It's, you know, you to take

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<v Speaker 2>a step back from the personal side that you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the business part of it. It's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're making an investment in in a player, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're making investment in in performance. And it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>perform if you can't play. And when you're when you're

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<v Speaker 2>investing money and you're spending the money of the organization

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<v Speaker 2>to upgrade your football team, you look at how does

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<v Speaker 2>this how does this player impact our team? And when

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<v Speaker 2>they're healthy, they are impactful. But you know this player

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<v Speaker 2>acts only played forty of his games and player be

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<v Speaker 2>as played ninety and so you're you're essentially betting on

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<v Speaker 2>the durability and that they're going to be there to

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<v Speaker 2>help us longer more often than you know another play

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe isn't that's not part of their strengths. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we invested heavily in availability. You know, guys that

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<v Speaker 2>have been available and performed at a high level over time,

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<v Speaker 2>and you want as many of those guys as possible

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<v Speaker 2>because there's also a mental toughness and a character, a

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<v Speaker 2>defined character to guys that are available, if that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's hard, it's very hard. It's hard to play

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<v Speaker 2>that many snaps over your course of your career because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a physical it hurts these guys. But there's part

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<v Speaker 2>of there's part of what drives these guys to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to suit up on Sundays. And you want as many

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<v Speaker 2>guys like that as you can find.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, another broad generalization, but this rookie class is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most sure groups of rookie football players

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<v Speaker 1>that has ever existed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really impressive class when it comes to professionalism, maturity,

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<v Speaker 2>those things. It's they've they check all of those boxes.

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<v Speaker 2>That was intentional, I know. I know Mike was very

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<v Speaker 2>adamant about it. The same with Chad and even for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I like him back at some point in the draft

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<v Speaker 2>process to really what turned you know, you just your

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<v Speaker 2>your product of your experiences. And so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>my experiences with building of a team was through Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>when I was there, and I thought about the draft

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<v Speaker 2>class that sort of flipped our football team, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was our twenty twenty draft class, and that was it

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<v Speaker 2>was Joe Burrow and T Higgins and Logan Wilson and

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<v Speaker 2>Keem Davis gaither those guys that were I think of

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<v Speaker 2>that draft class. I think seven of the eight picks

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<v Speaker 2>were captains. They were super high level character players. They

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<v Speaker 2>became the foundation. That draft class and that free agency

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<v Speaker 2>class that we signed that year became the foundation of

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<v Speaker 2>of what was back to back AFC championship games and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of success over two seasons. Mike had similar

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<v Speaker 2>experiences in Kansas City. And so when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>go when you and you were very intentional about the

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<v Speaker 2>character you're drafting, and you do all the work and

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that these are the kind of guys that

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<v Speaker 2>love playing football, that are intelligent football players, that have people.

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<v Speaker 2>When you draft a player and everybody you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>at the school says, this is this is the guy,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is and maybe it's not their best player,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like that's the guy. Like that's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to succeed. And so you you bet on

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<v Speaker 2>those characteristics that that's going to allow them to succeed. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is ultimately very challenging and difficult profession to

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<v Speaker 2>succeed in. And that the class in and of itself

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<v Speaker 2>has been fantastic when it comes to those things, But

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<v Speaker 2>it was all very intentional. We we sought out those

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<v Speaker 2>characteristics and players, and we drafted guys that fit that

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<v Speaker 2>profile for us, and uh, it has certainly paid off.

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<v Speaker 1>We've made it this far without saying the name cam Ward,

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<v Speaker 1>which feels pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Just for us.

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<v Speaker 1>So this feels like the appropriate time to ask what

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<v Speaker 1>has surprised you the most about cam warden the time

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<v Speaker 1>that you've been.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to work with him? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Really, he is as advertised.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nothing is surprised me. Because the more when we

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<v Speaker 2>went back to the beginning and we start watching this tape,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that we were probably we were probably

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<v Speaker 2>pretty early on the process because we knew we were

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<v Speaker 2>picking first, so we kind of jumped into that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little more in depth than some teams would have

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment. And the more you watched him, you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this guy's got real talent. And what matters

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<v Speaker 2>most in playing quarterback in the NFL, though, is the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of guys that got talent, it's just the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it. How do they process, what's their ability

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<v Speaker 2>to relate with their teammates, how do they lead? What's

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<v Speaker 2>the toughness like all the other things? Is what really

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<v Speaker 2>matters in quarterback play, and at every point that we

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<v Speaker 2>met with Cam, we learned more and more about him

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<v Speaker 2>as a person. And the more people you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you learn about him as a player. In the locker

0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.560
<v Speaker 2>room and everything that we heard and all of our

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<v Speaker 2>own experiences, and once we got him here, everything was

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<v Speaker 2>exactly as advertised when it came to those things. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I mean by like nothing has surprised me,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's incredibly focused. He loves playing football. He only

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<v Speaker 2>cares about playing football at a high level. He works,

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<v Speaker 2>his work ethic is off the charts, and then his

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<v Speaker 2>ability to connect and relate to his teammates. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>an easy way about him, but he is He's also

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<v Speaker 2>highly competitive, hates to lose in anything he does. So

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<v Speaker 2>all these things are all things we knew about him

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<v Speaker 2>in the process, and then once he got here, as

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<v Speaker 2>you get to know him better, it's all real. That's

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<v Speaker 2>who he is. And so that's why nothing about Cam

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<v Speaker 2>has surprised me, because I feel like we had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good idea of who he was, and then he's

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<v Speaker 2>shown that to be accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the offseason. But specifically, I think it was the

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<v Speaker 1>most pronounced during the mandatory mini camp. You could tell

0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.240
<v Speaker 1>that cam Ward was going to do cam Ward things,

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<v Speaker 1>and the defense as a whole collectively was determined to

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<v Speaker 1>remind everybody that he is still a rookie. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>you like that? I know you're an offensive guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're a quarterback guy, but is that what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see on your defense?

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<v Speaker 2>That?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Cool, we appreciate your eighteen in a row completions.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming for you now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's what he needs, That's what our team needs.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the mark of a good football team

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<v Speaker 2>is when you do have You do have back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>You have offense has good days, defense has good days.

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<v Speaker 2>Defense makes plays. Offense makes plays because you're competitive. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>if the defense is consistently beating you drill the drill

0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.040
<v Speaker 2>day to day, that probably means you're not very good

0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.399
<v Speaker 2>on offense and vice versa. And so that competitiveness and

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, I think is is great. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, all the defensive players want

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<v Speaker 2>to know is is this a guy that we can

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<v Speaker 2>count on? And is this a guy that's gonna gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do what we think he can do? And they're testing him.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to find out because I think the ultimate

0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.960
<v Speaker 2>mark for pro football players is it doesn't really matter

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<v Speaker 2>where you come from, doesn't really matter what what anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else thinks of you when you walk in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 2>The players in the locker room want to know can

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<v Speaker 2>you help us win? And that is ultimately what they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find out. And that's why they they test

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<v Speaker 2>and they poke, and they prod and they and and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't care. They're not They're they're not trying, No,

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<v Speaker 2>They're just they're just trying to find out if this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's for real. And that goes the same way for

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<v Speaker 2>for for Elk and Strepo and Chim and all these

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 2>young players. They're just trying to find out are you

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to be able to help us? And

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to find out are you made of the

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<v Speaker 2>right stuff? Do we think as veteran players and older

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.920
<v Speaker 2>players or defensive players that all these young players are

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<v Speaker 2>able to help? And they go through their own process

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<v Speaker 2>of finding out. And that's really what you saw sort

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<v Speaker 2>of in real time, is that they're trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>to the OTP. Is that why it was so important

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<v Speaker 1>to do as many joint practices with other teams as

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.359
<v Speaker 1>you could to get that experience, to get that adversity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly what you hope for. And it's good

0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.119
<v Speaker 2>because you get tired of playing against the same scheme.

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've played all spring against an Arnge defense,

0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and he's played all spring against us, and you get

0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.320
<v Speaker 2>tired of just the day to day back and forth,

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you just want to go play something different.

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:22.960
<v Speaker 2>You want to play different players with a different color

0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 2>jersey on and a different scheme and then see where

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you stack up. And I think I got a lot

0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>of respect for Todd Bowles and what he's done in

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Tampa and the defense style that they play there and

0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.240
<v Speaker 2>how well they've been able to build that offense, and

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 2>they've went through a couple of different iterations because obviously

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Tom was there Brady and they had some success and

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>had some They've had success with Baker. I just think

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 2>they do such a great job and so to go

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>compete against a team like that is something I'm very

0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.439
<v Speaker 2>much looking forward to. And then you know, Atlanta's got

0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a ton of young talent, they got a young team

0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.920
<v Speaker 2>or Hem Morse is I think a really fantastic football

0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 2>coach and so it's a and does things the right way,

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and so you want to go practice against people like that,

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm excited for it. I think it's going to

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.160
<v Speaker 2>be great for our football team as as a as

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<v Speaker 2>a barometer for us to see where we're where we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to help us get ready for September. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's also going to be hard. It's going to be hot, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're on the road and we're not coming home,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's going to be a whole part of the process.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all very intentional, but that's why we do it.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you turn this you, I guess You've been

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 1>working so hard to infuse as much competition in every

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>situation that you can for months. Now, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>turn that off for these next four weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we don't. I hope. I mean, I'll everyone

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 2>want to take a step back because it's been it's

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>been a really good, hard offseason. It's been great. Guys

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>have bought in. I'm appreciative of their effort. I'm appreciative

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 2>their attendance, their their intensity, all those things. And so

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>it's an eight week program, and and now we got,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, roughly five ish weeks before we go back

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 2>for the real thing here the end of July. The

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the idea is that this really isn't a vacation, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a break, and they should take a little bit of

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 2>time because they've they've earned that. But you know, fourth

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of July weekend, a little bit after that, we should

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 2>we should be ramping back up, and guys should be

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>ready to come report in shape, you know, not losing

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>any of the things that we accomplished over this offseason

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<v Speaker 2>program and being able to hit the ground running right

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<v Speaker 2>back at it when we come back, when we come

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>back at the end of the month. So that's The

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>idea is that this this really isn't it's a break,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a vacation. You know, this isn't like

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>end of the season where you just like go away

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and unplugs. I will unplug, I'll rest and I'll but

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.880
<v Speaker 2>my mind is always on what's coming. When you get

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<v Speaker 2>to this point and you rest.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't unplug, though, how how do you slow

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<v Speaker 1>it down?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to miss You have to try hard.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're trying to rest, are you resting?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, not really No. I try to take a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of time and just kind of step back.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I get to I get to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the fourth of July, and it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>you can just feel it coming and and and and

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 2>my mind gets is sort of always on it from

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<v Speaker 2>that point on. So I try to take a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time, but it's it's to me, it's already

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<v Speaker 2>it's here, so it's in it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you physically have to go to a different

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<v Speaker 1>place or can you just go home or be in

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville and still like feel like you're stepping away.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to go I try to get away a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but really where being my kids are in

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<v Speaker 2>some camps this summer that that they that they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be in and so we're just kind of hanging

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<v Speaker 2>around here, which actually for me is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>usually I like take off for the summer and we

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<v Speaker 2>go family and all that stuff. It helps it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom and dad are here, which is nice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't we aren't going to do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>this summer, and I'm kind of hopeful that that that

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<v Speaker 2>does help a little bit where it's just you're not

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<v Speaker 2>kind of on the go for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just here. I'm at my house, I with my

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<v Speaker 2>kids and and just hanging out and join Nashville a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. And that's we'll see if that helps. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll take a little bit of time and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>go see my in laws and my wife's family. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a place up in Lake Georgia, New York. So

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<v Speaker 2>little lake life. Yeah, go jump on a boat and

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<v Speaker 2>puts around, and that's sort of that's sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>my one escape that I usually take.

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<v Speaker 1>So your parents are here, your dad's on your staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys, are you able to have conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>not talk about work? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Not for ver long.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there it is. Yeah, not for.

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<v Speaker 2>Very long, but yeah we can. Yeah, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it's usually centered around the kids and I'm brothers

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<v Speaker 2>and sisters and all that stuff, but yeah we can.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do it for a little bit, but inevitably

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<v Speaker 2>it always kind of like leans right.

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<v Speaker 1>Back into the years into it. Well, I mean because

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<v Speaker 1>even when you're like close friends with co workers, when

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you get together socially, you usually end up talking about

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>work anyway, always, and so I would imagine that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. You're at a family barbecue. You you're

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<v Speaker 1>all grilling, but you're also kind of talking about work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty much how it good. Yeah, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no. And when you're in this profession too, like

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just sort of all you ever think about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's not a whole lot of like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to leave this away for a while, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot of not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of separation, but still some time to relax, some time

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<v Speaker 1>to rest. And then everybody comes back for training camp

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<v Speaker 1>and we get this thing going. What is your number

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<v Speaker 1>one goal or priority for the first week or two

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<v Speaker 1>of training camp.

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<v Speaker 2>The first week or two. The first week or two

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<v Speaker 2>has changed so much because you've got to go through

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<v Speaker 2>this acclamation period and so there's there's limits on we

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<v Speaker 2>won't even put pads on until we've been practicing for

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<v Speaker 2>almost seven days eight days. So you just sort of

0:26:54.160 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 2>you're more focused on ramping back into football. And and

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean by that is even OTAs isn't it's football,

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>but it's not. You're ramping into like padded practice and

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>real physical, hard football. And that's the ideas. You're trying

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>to get to that point. And then once you hit

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that point, the process, the intent is to be hard.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 2>You want you have to do hard things. I mean,

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 2>that's part of it. Like you're trying to manage your

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>team and your roster so you're healthy for seventeen games

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're and you got to load manage some guys

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<v Speaker 2>through training camp. But the idea is that the way

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that our practices are scheduled is we come off our

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>off days. We have a jog through day, which is

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of like a primer to get back into it

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>after an off day. It's not as intense, it's a

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>little more mental. We're just moving around a little bit,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and then we have two back to back days and

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>pads and that's sort of our four day block works.

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 2>It's off day jog through two days and pads with

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the intent of when we hit those two days and pads,

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>those are long, hard physical practices and the expectation is

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>that we are at full hill for two straight days

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and then we break and then we start to cycle

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<v Speaker 2>over again. Yeah, and it gets you hardened and ready

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>for the football season, but it also manages the load

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to the point where you're you're not losing guys hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>too often to injury, and you're managing that process the

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>smart and scientific way, which is what we do. But like,

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 2>you need football pads on your body and you need

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to play football, and that's that's training camp, and it

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 2>should be hard, and it should you should be sore

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>and you should feel tired because you're trying to harden

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>your team and you're trying to toughen your team for

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<v Speaker 2>what's to come, which the regular season is is a

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 2>grind and it's it's hard, and so you're trying to

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>get yourself ready for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like that cadence very similarly mirrors the

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>cadence of the regular season where you have some down days,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have some really really hard days, including Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's that's the idea, is that it should

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>we the rhythm should mirror it to some degree because

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<v Speaker 2>really you look at a jog through day sort of

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>like our Wednesday practice and then our Thursday practices and pads.

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<v Speaker 2>This is during the season, Thursday practice and pads. It

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<v Speaker 2>should be long, it should be hard, and then Friday

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of back it back down again. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like this, there's these undulations in effort and intensity,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's scientifically the way that you should be doing.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't be this like max velocity for days at

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<v Speaker 2>a time. There should be it should be ebbs and flows.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's the intent of it is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of bursts of effort and back downs and

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>bursts of effort and back downs, and that's how training

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>camp schedule that it mirrors how we schedule our regular

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>season weeks. And then again you max out on Sunday, Coach.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for sure the first time the word undulation has

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>ever been said on this podcast, and we've had we've

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<v Speaker 1>had this podcast for seven years, so that's pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll take the win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've gotten a lot of words on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the first one for Undulation. Good coach Callahan. We

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<v Speaker 1>so appreciate the time. We hope you get some time

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<v Speaker 1>to relax and sort of unplug. Yeah, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you again and train here. I can't wait for

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Callahan. I'm Amy Wells and this has been the

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