WEBVTT - Disclosure Day: “Listen.” 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to Sound, Light, and Frequency. We're coming to you 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.480 right now from Austin, Texas, where we've just recorded an 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.600 episode of American Alchemy with our friend and podcaster extraordinary 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.240 Jesse Michaels. More on that in a moment. The thing 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.439 is Steven Spielberg making a movie called Disclosure Day is 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.279 really more than just a summer release. This is the 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.040 filmmaker who has shaped modern UFO culture, going back to 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.240 Close Encounters of the Third Kind in nineteen seventy seven, 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.479 moving on to et Taken and of course War of 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.000 the Worlds, with a lot of other projects in between. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.080 So when he has returned to the subject in twenty 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.120 twenty six, at a time when UAPs have moved from 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.199 the fringe to congressional hearings, people start to pay attention. Now. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.560 The film's reception tell us an important story. It certainly 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.280 opened solidly. It has sparked debate. Some viewers they see 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.160 it as a thoughtful exploration of contact, wonder and fear 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.560 a little bit Close Encounters like, but others wanted to 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.440 see something closer to actual disclosure. They wanted facts and 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.520 evidence and answers. So that divide so far is mirroring 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.000 the UFO community itself, and that's why Disclosure Day belongs 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.600 on sound, light and frequency. Our question has never really 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.160 been whether every UFO movie is part of a government plan. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.920 It's more like, what about specific movies. It's why Hollywood 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:27.080 keeps returning to this subject decade after decade. Is it entertainment, preparation, distraction, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:32.120 or really something in between. So whether Disclosure Day succeeds 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.760 as a film is almost secondary. It succeeds as a 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.880 cultural event because it pushes the disclosure conversation into the 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.800 mainstream and it reminds us that sometimes big ideas reach 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.800 the public through movies before they really do reach us 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.960 from Washington. So let's get started. Even though Brent Friedman 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.280 and I are both in the same city and we're 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.600 even in the same hotel, we are coming to you 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.360 from different rooms. So let's hook Brent up in here. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.240 Let's get started, and Hey, good to see you. Let's 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.680 start by disclosing how many times we've seen the film 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.080 and where I'll let you go first. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.280 Thank you, glad to be here. This is fun doing 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.440 a show on the run. I saw the movie Thursday 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.839 night when it opened, or I guess at the night 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.119 before official opening with a group of work colleagues, and 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.560 that was quite an interesting experience because some people didn't 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.359 even know what the movie was. They just wanted to 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.200 come and be part of the group. So that tells 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.280 you that not everyone is not only not aware of disclosure, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.240 but weren't even aware of this movie. The second time 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:36.040 I saw it was Friday night, after I'd flown to 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.120 Austin and got into late to see it with you 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.639 and your interesting screening. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.280 I did have a couple of great and we've both 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.359 seen it twice, that's for sure. I started with a 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.960 screening in Las Vegas because I was there to record 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.800 the WHI Files with another friend of the show, Ajgentile. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.639 I was recording WI files there and that night, after recording, 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.560 I went to the screening and ended up sitting next 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.000 to George Knapp, who, of course, if you're going to 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.280 watch a UFO film from Steven Spielberg, watching it with 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.560 George Knapp, that's pretty good stuff, and I thought that 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.080 gets me started. We got to go out afterwards have 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.960 a beer and talk about it, and he liked it. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:18.520 It was the kind of movie where George and I 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.200 are talking about it and both of us are like, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.200 I don't know, man, I have to sit with this 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.400 a little bit. We both ended up saying that to 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.040 each other. I want to have a discussion about this 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.320 on a deep level, but on the other hand, I 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.960 need to sit in my own head for at least 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.280 overnight to figure out what I even want to say 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:34.640 about it. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.200 Yeah, so, by the way, I was not ready to 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.440 talk about it after the first viewing. I needed that 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.440 second viewing exactly. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.440 I ended up recording something after it, and I almost 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.280 want to buy back some of it because I sort 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.640 of been evolving in my thinking about it. Anyway, So 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.800 I get to Austin a few hours before you on 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.920 the plane schedule, which allowed me to attend a second 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.840 screening in an IMAX theater that starts arted with a 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.400 live interview of Steven Spielberg and Emily Blunt. They weren't 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.080 actually in our theater, but apparently they were doing this 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.240 live thing throughout the North American continent, so there were 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.040 Imaxes in Canada, imax is in the US, and at 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.760 the same time we were all watching the same interview. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.400 So that was a very cool way to start it. Thanfully, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.360 that was eclipsed by who I was sitting next to you, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.080 because I was sitting next to Jesse Michaels, and so 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.960 George Knapp and Jesse Michaels. It was pretty wild. Jesse 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.640 loved it. We got done, I said, so, what's your take? 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.840 And he didn't have to think about any went. I 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.920 loved it. So everybody's got different responses to this. It 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.560 is a little bit like that Rorshock test. We always 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.640 say about things and listen as we prepare to get 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.320 started here, I see why. There are a lot of 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.240 big ideas in this thing. Obviously, people have spent a 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.080 lot of time writing and directing and acting in it. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.520 There is a lot to like, and there are a 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.560 lot of ques raised. So that's my starting take here. Yeah, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.080 and I think this being sound like in frequency. We're 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.920 not going to review the movie in a standard form. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.760 There's plenty of reviews online. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.800 I think I'm excited to do a deep dive into 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.559 what is actually being disclosed, if anything, into the movie, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.920 and what are some of the ideas that Steven Spielberg, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.680 as the author and the director and the producer of 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.160 this movie, wanted to communicate with us after all of 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.280 the UFO and movies and series that he's made. As 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.040 we talked about, this is his closing argument. Let's talk 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.320 about the case he presents. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:40.320 Yeah, absolutely, and he is presenting a case, folks. I 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.279 think that's the thing. The bar for this film was 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.200 already going to be high, but Brett, when he did 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.440 I'm talking about Spielberg here, that really raised it as 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.240 high as you possibly can get it. Two things. First, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.440 he called it disclosure Day. Now, I got a lot 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.320 of friends who don't really know that disclosure as a 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.599 special UFO meeting. But for the lol people who are 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.919 listening to us right now, we all know disclosure is 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.360 a thing, right. I wrote that book with Dolan ad 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:14.000 after Disclosure, this is disclosure Day, the one that sets 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.880 the mark. This is him saying this is how it 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.160 might actually go down. So that was number one. And 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.600 number two from the point of view of what Spielberg 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.680 set for anticipations is I have seen dozens of interviews 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.720 with him, including the one in that Imax theater, and 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:36.200 in all of them he basically implies or states outright 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.200 that this is the truth. That he called close encounter 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.200 speculation and I guess informed speculation. And that's when he 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.440 was a young man. Now he's seventy nine years old. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.760 And as we said when we were preparing to even 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.359 talk about the height leading up to the movie, and 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.440 I called it Spielberg's closing argument question mark, I think 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.320 there's no doubt it is his closing argument. So guard 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.240 he has asked us and everyone else has seen it 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.960 to have a dialogue about it, and I'm ready to 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.279 do that. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.800 I'm Brent Friedman. Have you ever wondered if there's a 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.800 secret connection between Hollywood and UFOs? 0:07:32.080 --> 0:08:03.840 I'm Bryce Abel. You're listening to sound, light and frequency. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.520 Before we start talking about the movie itself, what the 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.040 story means and all of that, Let's talk about the 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.560 story around the movie, because there was a lot of 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.600 hype leading up to it, As Bryce alluded to a 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.400 lot of trailers and even interestingly, one of the things 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.560 that we saw, which I can't remember the last time 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.960 I'd seen it in a movie trailer, was the director 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.280 doing an interview or having sound bites within the trailer. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.640 That gave everything more of a gravitas, especially when Spielberg 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.880 said this is not pure science fiction, this is a 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.480 movie that he saw as an inevitable reflection of our 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.720 evolving reality. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.120 That mentioned our evolving reality, but his evolving reality, his 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.760 beliefs prepared to have shifted a little bit. If you 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.400 think about his earlier work, you get close Encounters to the 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.520 third time, which obviously if the Disclosure Days his closing statement, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.760 that was his opening remarks in the trial, right those encounters. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.480 Here's one way to look at it. We are remember 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:08.000 the tagline for close encounters, we are not alone. It 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.240 was the first time people had that put into their 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.520 thought pattern. And so now with Disclosure Day, he's moved 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.440 the ball a little bit, and in fact, he's moved 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.960 from I guess you could say, over the course of 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.160 his career, which is almost a fifty year career at 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.640 this point, talking about this subject, he's gone, wouldn't it 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.640 be wonderful at all if it all turned out to 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.760 be true? And now he's sort of believing and telling 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.400 us all of this is true. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.480 Yes, And he said in interviews as well that he 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.160 feels that there is overwhelming evidence right now that we 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.079 are not alone. And what he has said is that 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.800 he had a belief about certain things, he wanted to 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.360 believe certain things. But with the twenty seventeen New York 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.120 Times article that came out where we saw the first 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.960 actual disclosure of the tic TAC videos. I think for 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.240 him that was a tip point where he said, okay, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:02.640 now this is confirmation. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.400 Very interesting, Brent, because either it was a tipping point 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.720 for him, or it's what he is saying was a 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.840 tipping point for him, because there's a lot of people, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.520 including some that you and I have talked to, who 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.720 have said no. I think he's known a lot more 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.120 than he's led on for a long time, but at 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.360 least he's portraying it as his tipping point. The interesting 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.960 thing about what Spielberg has been saying also in those interviews, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.080 something I feel very strongly is also the case he 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.360 has viewed the phenomenon as something that transcends political and 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.599 cultural divides. Now I believe not that it does necessarily, 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.520 because I think the jury is still out on that 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.160 we might have a very political way to look at this, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.439 and we'll keep us divided, but it ought to transcend 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.160 all those things. So in that regard, I wouldn't call 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.040 it saccharin. But the Spielberg who wants to believe everything's 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.839 going to be okay, I hope he's right. He has 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.600 stated on the record that he made this film to 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.600 bring humanity, to get other through a shared belief that 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.440 the as he put it, the impossible is possible, and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.560 to encourage empathy, which is a big word. And we 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.480 said we're gonna this is a potential spoiler thing. So 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.080 I think what we want to say that we possibly 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.760 have not said yet is if you don't want us 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.679 going any further, folks, and you have not seen the thing, right, 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.680 then we are going to be talking about what's in 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.240 this film, and maybe you want to stop what you're doing, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.800 go away, see the film, come back and pick up 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.760 where we are. But everybody else is more. We're not 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.120 keeping a secret here about what's in the film. We're 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.120 going to talk about it. And to finish my thought there, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.199 empathy is his big theme, yes. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.680 And what I find fascinating is that he was going 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.880 for a unifying message. But so far, if you go 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.480 online the reviews, the reactions that are very polarizing. There 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.559 are admittedly a lot of people that love the movie 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.800 that say it's one of Spielberg's best You've seen that 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.360 in some of the reviews, and a lot of people 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.120 are saying that online as well, and the reviews overall 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.640 are generally favorable. It's had a very encouraging box office 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.080 opening weekend. I think it did something like forty five 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.080 domestic ninety five million global for those of you that 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.959 don't know those numbers. That's on track to break even 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.480 or make money, which in the movie business is a hit. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.480 So it looks to be a positive overall reception. But again, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.040 if you drill down in, people have very different opinions 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.040 about the movie. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.719 I think the headline probably of Disclosure Day weekend, if 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.520 you will, is polarization, which I guess is not surprising. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.040 We live in a country that is so deeply polarized, 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.200 in a world that is so deeply polarized. Probably no 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.200 huge surprise. I will tell you this. I walked out 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.160 of the first film, but when I saw with George 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.320 Knapp and I just felt, you know what, I need 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.560 to get on the board. Everyone else is reviewing this thing. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.000 I'll write a little short review and put it up. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.560 And I did. One of the things I said in 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.560 that one, I was a little disappointed that I wanted 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.240 more from it, So I kind of laid that out 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.520 there and as I said, and we'll get into this later, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.560 and reevaluating that position a little bit the more you 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.760 and I have talked about it, et cetera. I will 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.959 say this based on what people said in the comments 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:21.240 to what I had said, extremely polarized. There are a 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.720 number of people who schooled me mightily and said, maybe 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.040 you should consider this isn't a documentary, it's just a film, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.680 and why don't you get over yourself, which, okay, that's 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.880 a fair comment. But then there were a whole lot 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.240 of people that also said, hey, thank you for that, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.320 because that's how I feel, and I don't feel like 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.760 this was the movie that I was promised, and I'm 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.200 a little pissed off about it. I tried to sort 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.720 of move down the center a little bit, and what 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.760 I just to say, it wouldn't have been bad if 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.680 he had been a little more on the truth thing, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.400 because what the truth he's saying in his film is 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.760 actually what he thinks is the truth, then I may 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.760 beg to differ a little bit. I'm not sure that 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.440 it is. But if the bigger truth that he's saying 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.439 is all that he means by truth, the bigger truth 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.360 would be the same thing that he said in nineteen 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.040 seventy seven, The truth that he has gone back to 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.320 is we are not alone. And with that, if that's 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.679 what he defines truth as, then maybe I do need 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.880 to get over myself because I totally do believe we 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.240 are not alone, and he's made that point again and 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.000 he's sticking with it, and why not. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.200 I had a similar reaction to your comments, which was 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.720 I saw the movie with eight people, and I would 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.400 say four of them loved it, two of them really 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.800 liked it, and two of them had more substantial problems 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.080 with the movie. So even just in that sampling, what 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.640 I think set it apart, Like I did some questioning 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.640 afterwards to hear why people had certain opinions. The people 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.480 who tended to love it the most were the ones 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.880 that went in with no expectations. Right. One or two 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.520 people actually did didn't know what the movie was about. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.400 They didn't they hadn't heard of the movie, and they 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.280 came out of it going, Wow, what an incredible wild ride, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.720 What a great Spielberg movie. Then the further you went 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.960 on the spectrum of people who knew what the movie was, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.600 we're looking forward to maybe some actual disclosure. They kind 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.040 of liked it to they had some issues. The one 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.720 who disliked it the most was the one who went 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.920 in with the greatest expectations, probably the way you and 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.440 I went into it, thinking, oh wait, so we're going 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.760 to get truth. There's going to be like real disclosure 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.600 in this movie, of a substance beyond what we would 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.560 consider disclosure one oh one that we are not alone, right, Okay, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.040 I think we're all past that. So I think that 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.520 really depends. That's the lens that determines how much you're 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.840 going to enjoy this movie. If you completely put aside 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.880 all expectations and just go in for a great summer blockbuster, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.280 you'll probably enjoy it. It's Spielberg, It's a fun ride. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.920 If you go in hoping it's going to change your worldview, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.480 and you already come into it with a pretty informed worldview. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.640 If you're one of our audience, you might be disappointed. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.640 It's so true, but it's not just the UFO issue. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.800 That's how people looked at it. Again, I saw with 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.520 two audiences. The first audience in Las Vegas was a screening, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.280 so people only got into it if they were able 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.400 to get a screening pass to a June screening of 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.720 the thing. The second movie was literally the night of 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.360 and frankly, they started showing it on June eleven, so 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.240 this is the night of June twelfth at Imax. So 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.840 the first people were the serious minded, I know what 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.080 this movie is about. I am here to look at 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.720 it and potentially review it. The second night was people 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.960 that are like, I can't wait to go see a 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:50.360 big summer blockbuster Spielberg movie on Imax screen So again 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.320 taking UFOs out of the equation. The first night screening 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.160 in Las Vegas, when things that were supposed to be 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:03.120 humorous happened, I didn't hear much laughter. That nobody was laughing. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.200 It was these We were all a group of serious 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.480 people going what is he about to say? Here? What 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.919 does everything I'm looking at make me think about? And 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.479 I think a lot of people were like, I'm not 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:19.680 here to laugh, I'm here to observe this cultural event. Now. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.520 The next crowd at the Imax, they were there for 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.440 a good time, and there was a lot of laughter, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.040 particularly at the Wyatt Russell character and his reaction to 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.280 the Emily Blunt character. People were laughing at the things 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.600 that were specifically supposed to be jokes. So that was 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.119 an interesting thing. They had a whole different expectation. Some 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.960 of them probably didn't even know what Disclosure Day technically 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.119 was about, because a lot of them hadn't seen a 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:51.520 trailer or whatever. However, it wasn't just a completely naive audience, because, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.399 like I said, I was sitting with Jesse, and afterwards, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.840 Jesse Michaels is getting everybody under the sun coming up 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.280 that talk to him because he's well known in Austin 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.119 and at the same time, he's well known for what 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.560 he knows about this topic. So a lot of people 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.840 wanted to hear what he had to say, wanted to 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.240 shake his hand and give his autograph or whatever. A 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.720 mixed bag, but again, different reactions based on the expectations 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.320 that you brought into it, and I have to admit, Brent, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.000 that applies to me as well. Certainly had my expectations, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.280 and I reacted the first time one way, the second 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.760 time I reacted in another way. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.520 Absolutely, I had two quite different reactions, even though both 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.280 audiences that I saw it with were general public. So 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.680 I had laughter and enjoyment and some applause at the 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.600 end in both screenings. And so really the only thing 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.120 that changed for me was the expectations I brought in 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.600 the lowered expectations I brought into the second screening. So 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.280 that's been the reaction. I want to get into something 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.240 specifically and personally my reaction to the movie, which is 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.720 something very specific, but it annoyed me, and so I 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.680 want to talk about it. In the trailer, the very 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.239 first trailer, I think the teaser trailer that you and 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.159 I did a whole breakdown on for me to know, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.480 we went deep into the weeds. And in that trailer, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.320 I remember we talked about this. We talked about the 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.440 fact that there was a scene in which Josh O'Connor's 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:21.280 character I believe his name is Daniel says seven billion 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.640 people deserve to know the truth and that was his 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.600 motivation for disclosing to the public all in one day 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.880 with whatever media that he seemed to have stolen. And 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.520 I remember we talked about that and went, wait, hold 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.879 on a second, Okay, there's a couple. And this was 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.800 the first teaser trailer, so we didn't really have a 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.959 lot work on, right. We had a few puzzle pieces 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.399 here and there. We talked about the possibility Wait a minute, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.600 is this set in the nineteen nineties when or two 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.040 thousand and nine, when the population was only seven billion. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.359 Around Wait a minute, there was something that looked like 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.960 a flip phone in the movie May that's around the 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.760 same time. So there was that whole line of thinking. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.040 And then there was the thinking, oh, wait a minute, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.760 what if the seven billions in reference to the fact 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.280 that this Daniel character might know there's a billion people 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.520 on the planet that already know the truth. Maybe the 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.000 deep state maybe spread across the planet. There's a billion 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.720 deep Staters and the leaders that know the truth they 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.240 don't need to be disclosed to so that would account 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.359 for the seven billion instead of eight billion. Or the 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.640 third choice was what if it's hybrids? What if there's 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.480 a billion hybrids on the planet. Because everyone was theorizing 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.880 that this is what the story was about. So take 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.000 all of that. That's the opening trailer in the movie Bryce. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.480 The line has changed absolutely. I thought there's a Mandela 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.960 effect for you. It's wait, no, I thought it totally. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.080 Absolutely So now in the movie what he says is 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.679 eight billion people deserve to know the truth. And I 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.720 sat there and had that exact thought in the movie theater, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.760 going wait, is this a Mandela effect? Did I completely 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:08.080 misremember us doing that? Breakdown six months ago. I'm not 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.560 losing my mind. You weren't there to talk to, so 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.760 I'm just sat there for a lot of the movie going, wait, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:17.120 I'm so confused. What did I see? Okay, so how 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.080 do we explain that? Why did that happen? 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.200 Well, before you explain it, well, this is how did 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.639 that happen? Moment? Because I felt the same thing. I 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.480 practically fell back in my seat when I heard the 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:33.880 eight billion. It raises a practical question about the production. Okay, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.680 First of all, in order to get seven billion people 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.280 into the trailer, hundreds of people had to look at that, 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.520 not the least of which were David Kep who wrote 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.840 it and Steven Spielberger directed it, and then the entire 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.840 marketing teams. Somebody had to be able to say, I 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.200 don't think that's right. I think there's eight billion people, 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.880 and yet there it is in the trailer. And then 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:58.000 in the movie the same exact scene is Josh, who 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.240 plays Daniel, saying eight The question I have is was 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.920 it recorded incorrectly at seven billion? And then basically somehow 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.800 it got through the trailer and then somebody came along 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.440