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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sound, Light, and Frequency. We're coming to you

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Speaker 1: right now from Austin, Texas, where we've just recorded an

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Speaker 1: episode of American Alchemy with our friend and podcaster extraordinary

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Speaker 1: Jesse Michaels. More on that in a moment. The thing

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Speaker 1: is Steven Spielberg making a movie called Disclosure Day is

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Speaker 1: really more than just a summer release. This is the

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Speaker 1: filmmaker who has shaped modern UFO culture, going back to

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Speaker 1: Close Encounters of the Third Kind in nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: moving on to et Taken and of course War of

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Speaker 1: the Worlds, with a lot of other projects in between.

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Speaker 1: So when he has returned to the subject in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, at a time when UAPs have moved from

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Speaker 1: the fringe to congressional hearings, people start to pay attention. Now.

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Speaker 1: The film's reception tell us an important story. It certainly

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Speaker 1: opened solidly. It has sparked debate. Some viewers they see

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Speaker 1: it as a thoughtful exploration of contact, wonder and fear

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Speaker 1: a little bit Close Encounters like, but others wanted to

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Speaker 1: see something closer to actual disclosure. They wanted facts and

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Speaker 1: evidence and answers. So that divide so far is mirroring

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Speaker 1: the UFO community itself, and that's why Disclosure Day belongs

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Speaker 1: on sound, light and frequency. Our question has never really

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Speaker 1: been whether every UFO movie is part of a government plan.

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Speaker 1: It's more like, what about specific movies. It's why Hollywood

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Speaker 1: keeps returning to this subject decade after decade. Is it entertainment, preparation, distraction,

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Speaker 1: or really something in between. So whether Disclosure Day succeeds

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Speaker 1: as a film is almost secondary. It succeeds as a

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Speaker 1: cultural event because it pushes the disclosure conversation into the

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Speaker 1: mainstream and it reminds us that sometimes big ideas reach

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Speaker 1: the public through movies before they really do reach us

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Speaker 1: from Washington. So let's get started. Even though Brent Friedman

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Speaker 1: and I are both in the same city and we're

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Speaker 1: even in the same hotel, we are coming to you

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Speaker 1: from different rooms. So let's hook Brent up in here.

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Speaker 1: Let's get started, and Hey, good to see you. Let's

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Speaker 1: start by disclosing how many times we've seen the film

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Speaker 1: and where I'll let you go first.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, glad to be here. This is fun doing

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Speaker 2: a show on the run. I saw the movie Thursday

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Speaker 2: night when it opened, or I guess at the night

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Speaker 2: before official opening with a group of work colleagues, and

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Speaker 2: that was quite an interesting experience because some people didn't

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Speaker 2: even know what the movie was. They just wanted to

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Speaker 2: come and be part of the group. So that tells

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Speaker 2: you that not everyone is not only not aware of disclosure,

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Speaker 2: but weren't even aware of this movie. The second time

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Speaker 2: I saw it was Friday night, after I'd flown to

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Speaker 2: and your interesting screening.

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Speaker 1: I did have a couple of great and we've both

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Speaker 1: seen it twice, that's for sure. I started with a

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Speaker 1: screening in Las Vegas because I was there to record

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Speaker 1: the WHI Files with another friend of the show, Ajgentile.

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Speaker 1: I was recording WI files there and that night, after recording,

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Speaker 1: I went to the screening and ended up sitting next

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Speaker 1: to George Knapp, who, of course, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: George Knapp, that's pretty good stuff, and I thought that

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Speaker 1: gets me started. We got to go out afterwards have

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Speaker 1: It was the kind of movie where George and I

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Speaker 1: are talking about it and both of us are like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I have to sit with this

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We both ended up saying that to

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Speaker 1: on a deep level, but on the other hand, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, by the way, I was not ready to

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Speaker 1: I ended up recording something after it, and I almost

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Speaker 1: want to buy back some of it because I sort

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Speaker 1: of been evolving in my thinking about it. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: I get to Austin a few hours before you on

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Speaker 1: screening in an IMAX theater that starts arted with a

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Speaker 1: So that was a very cool way to start it. Thanfully,

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Speaker 1: is a little bit like that Rorshock test. We always

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Speaker 1: big ideas in this thing. Obviously, people have spent a

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Speaker 1: There is a lot to like, and there are a

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Speaker 1: and I think this being sound like in frequency. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to review the movie in a standard form.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm excited to do a deep dive into

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Speaker 2: what is actually being disclosed, if anything, into the movie,

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Speaker 2: and what are some of the ideas that Steven Spielberg,

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Speaker 2: as the author and the director and the producer of

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Speaker 2: the UFO and movies and series that he's made. As

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Speaker 2: about the case he presents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and he is presenting a case, folks. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the thing. The bar for this film was

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Spielberg here, that really raised it as

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Speaker 1: high as you possibly can get it. Two things. First,

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Speaker 1: he called it disclosure Day. Now, I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of friends who don't really know that disclosure as a

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Speaker 1: listening to us right now, we all know disclosure is

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Speaker 1: a thing, right. I wrote that book with Dolan ad

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Speaker 1: after Disclosure, this is disclosure Day, the one that sets

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Speaker 1: number two from the point of view of what Spielberg

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Speaker 1: in all of them he basically implies or states outright

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Speaker 1: And as we said when we were preparing to even

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Speaker 1: I called it Spielberg's closing argument question mark, I think

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt it is his closing argument. So guard

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Speaker 1: he has asked us and everyone else has seen it

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brent Friedman. Have you ever wondered if there's a

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Speaker 2: secret connection between Hollywood and UFOs?

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Speaker 1: I'm Bryce Abel. You're listening to sound, light and frequency.

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Speaker 2: Before we start talking about the movie itself, what the

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Speaker 2: story around the movie, because there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: lot of trailers and even interestingly, one of the things

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Speaker 2: That gave everything more of a gravitas, especially when Spielberg

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Speaker 2: said this is not pure science fiction, this is a

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Speaker 1: That mentioned our evolving reality, but his evolving reality, his

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Speaker 1: beliefs prepared to have shifted a little bit. If you

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Speaker 1: third time, which obviously if the Disclosure Days his closing statement,

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Speaker 1: that was his opening remarks in the trial, right those encounters.

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Speaker 1: Here's one way to look at it. We are remember

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Speaker 1: this point, talking about this subject, he's gone, wouldn't it

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Speaker 2: Yes, And he said in interviews as well that he

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Speaker 2: feels that there is overwhelming evidence right now that we

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Speaker 2: are not alone. And what he has said is that

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Speaker 2: he had a belief about certain things, he wanted to

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Speaker 2: him that was a tip point where he said, okay,

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Speaker 1: Very interesting, Brent, because either it was a tipping point

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Speaker 1: least he's portraying it as his tipping point. The interesting

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Speaker 1: to encourage empathy, which is a big word. And we

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Speaker 1: going any further, folks, and you have not seen the thing, right,

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Speaker 1: then we are going to be talking about what's in

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Speaker 1: where we are. But everybody else is more. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to talk about it. And to finish my thought there,

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Speaker 1: empathy is his big theme, yes.

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Speaker 2: And what I find fascinating is that he was going

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Speaker 2: for a unifying message. But so far, if you go

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Speaker 2: online the reviews, the reactions that are very polarizing. There

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Speaker 2: opening weekend. I think it did something like forty five

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Speaker 1: At the time when we reviewed that, and I know,

434
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Speaker 1: people are like, the guys are making a mountain out

435
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Speaker 1: of some of the are saying that. But remember they're

436
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: only two options. The first option was okay, or at

437
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: least we thought there were two. One is it's a

438
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Speaker 1: time frame situation that obviously somehow the movie is set

439
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: in the past when there are only seven billion people.

440
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Speaker 1: But the other was what they say in that trailer

441
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Speaker 1: is are they people? He says, he says.

442
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Seven billion people, and then eight billion people deserve to

443
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: know the truth.

444
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Speaker 1: But then the other question is we're a billion people hybrids.

445
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Speaker 1: Those were the two things we were playing around with. Anyway,

446
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Speaker 1: floor as yours again.

447
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the point here is that a

448
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: change was made that's irrefutable why it was made. I'm

449
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: saying it could not have been a mistake. I just

450
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: absolutely refused to believe that, which means it was intentional.

451
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Speaker 2: What was the intention? And let's say that the intention

452
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Speaker 2: was to get people talking to mislead us, to start

453
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: a conversation. Okay, fair enough. But if the as you

454
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: said before, the point of the movie for Spielberg was

455
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: to create a unifying message to bring everyone together, then

456
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: why would you do something that's deliberately manipulating people up front?

457
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: It feels antithetical to the intention of the movie.

458
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Speaker 1: What is your personal take at this point?

459
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Speaker 2: Then I have to believe that if it was intentional,

460
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: it was to get a conversation started and to get

461
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Speaker 2: people thinking that who are the billion people out there

462
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: that already know the truth? Right, and to make it

463
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: seem like, wow, there is a billion again, either deep

464
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: state or elite that already know the truth, and or

465
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Speaker 2: there are some mix of a billion aliens and elites

466
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Speaker 2: on the planet. The whole point is that seven eighths

467
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Speaker 2: of us don't know the truth and one eighth of

468
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Speaker 2: us do. And I think maybe that could be part

469
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Speaker 2: of his message. It just seems that to do it

470
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Speaker 2: in the form of a manipulation where people are going

471
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Speaker 2: to how many people must have thought this was the

472
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Speaker 2: Mandela effect and been confused. Yeah, that does not feel

473
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Speaker 2: like let's all come into the tent and be talking

474
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Speaker 2: the same story. That feels like we gained you to

475
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Speaker 2: start a conversation and to get some marketing traction.

476
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Speaker 1: I don't know before we get into I guess it's

477
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: an open question at this point, although maybe by the

478
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: time this airs somebody will have pen Spielberg down and

479
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: asked him for a naked cap and somebody will say

480
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: something before we plow ahead into a very interesting observation

481
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Speaker 1: that we've got to make here. I think let's just

482
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Speaker 1: take a second and explain what the essence of the

483
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: film is, because we said there were spoilers in it,

484
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: so let's go ahead and tell the story. So when

485
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: we talk about the next section, people can say, Okay,

486
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: I know what's your tirement. So basically, this is a

487
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Speaker 1: chase movie that's about disclosure. There are two main characters,

488
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: of course, and the Daniel character is the guy that

489
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: has been working for a cover not governmental organization, but

490
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: a COVID cutout organization. In the private enterprise world called Wardex.

491
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: And these are the people who basically have gathered all

492
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Speaker 1: the information about the reality of NHI contact over seventy

493
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: nine years, as they say several times in the movie

494
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: since Rosalow, and that these people have suffered kind of

495
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: a rebellion from within. They're a breakaway group already, they

496
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: have broken away from the government. There is a sub

497
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: breakaway group within the breakaway group that is now stealing

498
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: this information because it's all classified and heavily guarded. But

499
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Speaker 1: stealing this information and his plan, as he says in

500
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: that first trailer, is full disclosure everywhere, all at once. Yes,

501
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: that's the plan. That's the disclosure to the plan. So

502
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: he goes on to run. Now, probably we said we're

503
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: not going to review the movie, but a little bit

504
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: goes a long way here. For me, the thing that

505
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: alienated me on the first viewing was just the idea

506
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Speaker 1: that if these people were in charge of a seventy

507
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: nine year secret, the Award X people, there's a little

508
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: bit of the gang who can't shoot straight. They have

509
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: multiple chances to shoot in and can't seem to land

510
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: a bullet. They chase and are eluded multiple times, and

511
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: there's some Spielberg has given a lot of credit for

512
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: being a master director staging things. There's an incredibly clumsy

513
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: moment along a fence line that I don't need to

514
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: go into, but where you just go like, what is

515
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: this guy thinking? This character? Why is this scene being

516
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: played this way? And I don't buy it at all?

517
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: And so I ended up feeling, gosh, I wish there

518
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: was a little more disclosure and a little less chase movie.

519
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: That was my first take. On the second take, I'm

520
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: willing to just say, you know what, Okay, it's not

521
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: a perfect world. I'm just going to have to allow

522
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: that to be part of my experience and I'm not

523
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: going to get hung up on it. So what happens,

524
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: of course, is that the second character played by m Blunt,

525
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: who is Margaret, Margaret Fairchild, a fair Child, and she

526
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: is a weather caster in Kansas City. And by the way,

527
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: it's in a side brand. I don't know if you

528
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: and I have even spoken about this. When I'm starting

529
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: out in TV news, I literally was doing the weather

530
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: in addition to anchoring and reporting, and I literally did

531
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: do a seven to twenty five cut in every monthing

532
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: to the Today Show as she is late for So

533
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: when I was watching her racing to get to the

534
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: station to do her cut in, I was like, boy,

535
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I've been there, I've done that. That felt very similar

536
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: to me anyway. So what happens is she has been

537
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: triggered by seeing a red cardinal, a red cardinal, and

538
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: suddenly she's speaking different languages. This is the spoiler cart

539
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: She's speaking Russian, she is speaking Korean, she is speaking

540
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: alien right, and she's reading minds and she's doing the

541
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: mind meld trick from Star Wars where she's able to

542
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: tell people how to think about things. She's actually able

543
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: to render certain things invisible. And that was, to be

544
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: quite honest, my first viewing reaction was, this feels like

545
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: a Marvel origin story movie. To me. This is the

546
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: movie where the main character gets their superpowers. So these

547
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: were the things I was saying it more as a movie.

548
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Speaker 1: We're both screenwriters. One of the negative parts of being

549
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: a screenwriter is it's hard to give yourself over to

550
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: an experience because you're seeing. It's like, you can't work

551
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: in a sausage factory and eat a sausage afterwards without

552
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: thinking about how it got made. So there's a bit

553
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: of that. Anyway, what ends up happening, of course, is

554
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: that ultimately they're going to succeed at that, and we

555
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: can get into that later.

556
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Speaker 2: Let's just connect two more dots here. One is the

557
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: story is running in parallel. At first it's Daniel's story

558
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: along with his girlfriend Jane, and then there is the

559
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: Emily Blunt's character Margaret and her her boyfriend played by

560
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Wyatt Russell, son of Kurt Russell. And so these two

561
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: stories converge maybe about a third of the way halfway

562
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 2: through the movie, I don't remember, But when they converge,

563
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: both these two characters come to realize they have a connection,

564
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: and that connection was they were both abducted when they

565
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: were children, and during their abduction process were given some

566
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: sort of alien upgrade. We'll leave it at that. We're

567
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: going to go into this in a deeper level in

568
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: a moment. And then they went on to live their lives.

569
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: Now they've both been activated because disclosure day is upon

570
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: them and they are going to play a part in it.

571
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: And so this leads us to something that I found

572
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: interest in going in, was I wonder who's going to

573
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: disclose in this movie. There's a lot of options on

574
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: the table. It could be the government finally disclosed a

575
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: little bit like the Trump administration is doing right now.

576
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: It could be that the deep state wants to disclose

577
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: who came to us JC out of Office of Naval

578
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Intelligence saying slow drip disclosure. Maybe they were going to

579
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: just pull the band aid off finally. It could be

580
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: the aliens themselves were wanted to disclose. It could be

581
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: public crusaders, which seems what the story was going to be, because,

582
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: as you said, the Daniel character is part of a

583
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: human faction that has broken away, that wants to become

584
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: crusaders and pull off that band aid. So all of

585
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: these were on the table, and I think it's interesting

586
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 2: that what we ended up getting was not one of

587
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: those lanes, but more of a combo platter. What we

588
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: really have is we have that breakaway faction of humans,

589
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: but what we find out is that they are being

590
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: driven secretly, not to be revealed until later in the movie,

591
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: by an alien.

592
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Speaker 1: I want to go there because this is such a

593
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: fascinating Thank folks, you don't want to hear this, but

594
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: a couple of other lunch pins here Spieler is saving

595
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: his big reveal for the end, so he's got more ending. Yes,

596
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: you give us just a couple of teases to say

597
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: that what this Daniel character has on it isn't just

598
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: a single hard drive. He's got these little sticks that

599
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: are probably gigabye or terabytes by themselves, and he's got

600
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: dozens of them. So there's a lot of shit, right,

601
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: And he's got it, and they show us a couple

602
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: of things. He shows it to his girlfriend who's demanding answers.

603
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: Two scenes that I thought were pretty interesting. The first

604
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: is something that has only been a smile thing in

605
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: eufology over the years, and it is the fact that

606
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon in February of nineteen seventy three took the

607
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: comedy star Jackie Gleeson to Homestead Air Force Base and

608
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: showed him alien bodies, which Spielberg is saying actually happened. Now,

609
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I have no direct knowledge that actually happened. I think

610
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: it possible, but Spielberg is saying this is the truth.

611
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: He puts it in as the first piece of evidence

612
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: that anybody sees. Now, that's a strange choice if he

613
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: doesn't know for sure that actually happened, and granted we.

614
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: Do not know for sure, but what we do know

615
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: is that obviously Jackie Gleeson has passed on his wife,

616
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: though said in later years that it was absolutely true.

617
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: And Jackie Gleeson built a home that was shaped like

618
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: a UFO.

619
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Speaker 1: Right, apparently was deeply disturbed for weeks after this event.

620
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, there's that.

621
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Speaker 1: And then the next part, of course, is the one

622
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: that we haven't heard about. Right that first, the Jackie

623
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Gleeson thing. It's like, Wow, you're confirming that, of all

624
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: the things that you could confirm, Steven Spielberg, that's your

625
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: opening gambit. Kind of interesting choice. As I said, The

626
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: next piece shows us an alien that has been recovered

627
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: from a crash. I believe the medical people are abusing it.

628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: It's screaming and obviously in pain, and they don't care.

629
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Two things come out of that. The first one, based

630
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: on Jackie Gleeson is he did something with the Jackie

631
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: Gleeson thing that has no one's ever perfectly connected, which

632
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: is the idea that if Richard Nixon, a president, could

633
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: show bodies to a comedian, then the people who are

634
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: in charge of maintaining the secrecy have a problem. And

635
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: the problem is the president. This guy who is elected

636
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: for eight years maximum. This employee of the government can't

637
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: be trusted. You sort of understand where the Wardex private

638
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: enterprise thing comes from, because they say, we got to

639
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: get this out of the government. Fascinating conclusion. The second

640
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: thing is Spielberg is saying, with the second piece of

641
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: video that gets shown that it isn't just the aliens

642
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: being bad to us. We've been bad to aliens. We

643
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: should feel bad about how we have treated aliens. Now,

644
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: that was another place I sprint, to be quite candid,

645
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: where my first viewing made me say, what really, what

646
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: about the hundreds of thousands of people who have been

647
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: abducted and who are traumatized by the abduction? What about

648
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: the many thousands of structural sightings by pilots and police office,

649
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: the things we always talk about, What were they for?

650
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: What was that all about? And why haven't they told

651
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: us who they are? So these were things that raised questions.

652
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: So having said that and teed it up.

653
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: Go forth, Yeah, And I just want to I want

654
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: to jump on one thing you just said there, which

655
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: is yes, as we kind of alluded to, the movie

656
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: didn't address the wider spectrum of the UFO experience. Or

657
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: specifically the abductees stories. But on that point, I think

658
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: this is where the movie took its own liberties. They

659
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: needed an emotional hook, and I think one of the

660
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: things that if you think about it, we talked about

661
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: this going all the way back to Dark Skies. When

662
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: you have your main character say humanity deserves to know

663
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: the truth about aliens and UFOs, that's just very ideological

664
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: and a bit abstract. But when you say there are

665
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: alien beings and they're beautiful, gentle creatures and they are

666
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: being tortured by humans, suddenly you have that kind of

667
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: feeling of animal activism, right, and you know how most

668
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: people feel about hurting animals. So I feel like the

669
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: emotional core of the movie, as stated by Steven Spielberg,

670
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: is that empathy is a superpower, and so this was

671
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: all part of the theme and at that moment a

672
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: plot mechanic. Somehow Josh saw this and was so hurt

673
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: by this image that he decided to do what he

674
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: was going to do and felt that because these aliens

675
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: are being tortured and they're beautiful beings, then we need

676
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: to get the word out to stop this from going on.

677
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: That was really the emotional engine driving the train in

678
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: this movie.

679
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: And if anything, I believe that is the core issue

680
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: Bret for why the UFO community has split on this. Yeah,

681
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: that is something Spielberg has been floating mostly in his

682
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: work over time, certainly Close Encounters. They're space brothers, They're

683
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: coming out, they come to peace. It's beautiful. Et he's

684
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: a cuddly scientist. He's just a nice guy who would

685
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: want to beat up on ET. Right, that's terrible. Now

686
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: he's explored other themes in of course Taken, although he

687
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: gets to some of the same space he gets in

688
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: Disclosure Day and Taken, and of course the War of

689
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: the World Is. He always said that was an exception

690
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: to his rule and he was just doing it.

691
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: And also to update that movie, if you remember, which

692
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: we've just talked about in a recent episode, they were

693
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: no longer martians, they were no longer they were biomechanical

694
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: machines that bury under the earth for a long time.

695
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: So that's very different premise than what he's positive.

696
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: Well, but he has done his share of invasion. He

697
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: did that with War in the Worlds. But if you

698
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: think about it, Falling Sky Is his TV series, is

699
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: a nasty don't be nice to aliens because they do

700
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: not come in peace kind of invasion thing. So I

701
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: do think that there are people who think he's naive,

702
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: and I would describe my own opinions about whoever these

703
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: occupants are, and I think there may be multiple varieties

704
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: of them. I just feel like I go with Reagan's

705
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: nuclear policy, trust but verify. So I want to believe

706
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: aliens are here for good reasons or whether they're aliens

707
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: or something else. But I haven't seen the evidence myself,

708
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: so I'm not ready to cut him that slack. And

709
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: that's part of the issue of the movie. This movie

710
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: cuts the slack. It totally makes.

711
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably for the sake of entertainment. I think

712
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's Steven Spielberg's day job. Yes,

713
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: whatever he might be trying to accomplish her, we hope

714
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: he's accomplishing with actually being a disclosure crusader. His number

715
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: one job is to make blockbuster movies. So there's been

716
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: some reductionism in terms of what the agenda is. I think,

717
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: now let's go back to that elderly gray. The elderly

718
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: gray who is driving disclosure behind the scenes is they've

719
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: named it it's called in vivo seventeen. So it's two words,

720
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: I NVO number seventeen. And he is the one that

721
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: apparently convinces Hugo character played by Colman Domingo, who is

722
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: part of that breakaway faction from Wardex to hire Daniel,

723
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: who's a hacker out of prison because why Daniel is

724
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: an experiencer and Daniel is going to be one of

725
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: the ambassadors like Margaret who gets activated to play their

726
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: role in Disclosure Day. But all of this is being

727
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: orchestrated behind the scenes in the Shadows Offspring, you don't

728
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: learn this until much later in the movie by an

729
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: elderly gray alien named in Vivo seventeen.

730
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: My Latin, by the way, is not so good. So

731
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: let's in vivo all about Yes.

732
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: So the technical definition is within the living and what

733
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: it refers to is the biological processes or experiments or

734
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: tests that are conducted inside a complete living organism such

735
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: as a human, animal, whatever, usually done in a laboratory setting.

736
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: So how does this apply to the movie. Both of

737
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: these kids, as we talked about, Daniel and Margaret, were

738
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: abducted as children, and we see a flashback or a

739
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: memory recall of that scene later in the movie where

740
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: they are both inside a ship now with a strange

741
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: alien device coming down that's looking into their eyes and

742
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: doing things that are changing their retinas. We're seeing all

743
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: sorts of downloading going on, and what we find out,

744
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: of course, is that they are being upgraded. So in

745
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: Vivo seventeen was the alien that is conducting this insperiment,

746
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: and so he is the one that, for whatever reason,

747
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: they've named in Vivo. And I think you and I

748
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: talked about this, but why seventeen? What does the seventeen

749
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: refer to?

750
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will say this on the

751
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: most basic level, it means they're probably sixteen before him,

752
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: whether they were failed or they're somewhere else. But you

753
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: don't get to seventeen without one through sixteen. So there

754
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: is that, Yeah, And you could think, was it in

755
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: Vivo seventeen? Did they capture him in twenty seventeen? By

756
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: the way, there is a question that will be raised here.

757
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: I just want to address it so we don't get

758
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of comments when you say that the alien

759
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: who is looking over them while they're abducted is in

760
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Vivo seventeen. How do we know that?

761
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: Because he's speaking the same clicking language. We don't. I'm

762
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: inferring it because never saw any other aliens in the movie.

763
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I think you're correct. By the way. I'm just saying

764
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: there will be somebody going, you don't know that of

765
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: another theory or whatever, but for purposes of our theory,

766
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: we're inferring that they have. The key thing here, of course,

767
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: is we think of grays as about ya high, right

768
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: and small and spindly. Seventeen as ultimately revealed, is going

769
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: to be what we call a large gray. Yeah, like

770
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: probably seven or eight feet and towered above both Emily

771
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: Blunt and Josh O'Connor.

772
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: Yes, And in the current kind of uphology depictions of grays,

773
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: the larger grays are the ones in charge, and the

774
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: smaller grays are apparently their worker bees. So granted, there

775
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: are no smaller grays that we've saw in the movie.

776
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: And yet there's an interesting thing later that we learn

777
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: that the animals that the grays can present themselves as

778
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: animals to make us calm. But there's several of them.

779
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 2: There is like a deer, a fox, a raccoon, a bird.

780
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: So clearly there were more than one gray, but it

781
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: seems that the elderly gray in Vivo seventeen was the

782
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: one in charge, because of course he's the one that's

783
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 2: brought out at the end of the movie as the

784
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: evidence of biologics that everybody.

785
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: When you describe the elk, the bird, the fox, the whatever,

786
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: whatever was the fourth one. But the cardinal, the cardinal,

787
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: they described that they can be perceived by humans, the animals.

788
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: The thing is one of the criticisms of a as

789
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: a film people had made is they seem very cgi.

790
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: They don't feel authentic. Really the fox. People are just

791
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: freaked out that the fox looks so fake, and they're thinking,

792
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Spielberg's got all the money in the world, why doesn't

793
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: he do a better job giving us these animals? So

794
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I tend to so some people are criticizing the movie

795
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: for that. I tend to take the position that is correct.

796
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: Spielberg had all the money in the world to make

797
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: a great looking fox and chose not to, And the

798
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: only reason not to is he's trying to give us

799
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: a cue. I think that they're not perfect. They're just

800
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: these comfortable representations of animals in the human con art.

801
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Almost like averis.

802
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: Yes, that's they're advertised.

803
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so staying on in vvoh seventeen to connect some

804
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: dots you've all seen in the trailer if you haven't

805
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: seen the movie yet, the famous now scene where Margaret

806
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: is doing a newscast. She can't get through the first

807
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: sentence or two and she starts speaking in a clicking language. Right.

808
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: We learn later that the message that she's imparting to

809
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: everyone that's watching in that clicking language is don't be

810
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: afraid of what you don't know. So it's a I know,

811
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: aliens look scary, I know we're big and confusing and

812
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: the other, but don't be scared of us. That was

813
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: the preamble message, if you will. But this already feels

814
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: at odds with one of the main ideas of the movie.

815
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: How did that alien speak through Emily Blunt or Margaret

816
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: the Margaret character. The only word that comes up, and

817
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: everyone said it from the very first trailer was possession.

818
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: So you're already showing the mechanics of something that people

819
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: call demonic. Because Emily Blunt hadn't been activated yet to

820
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: the extent that she knew what was going on, she

821
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: had already started having weird speaking other languages and whatnot.

822
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: But she didn't understand what it all meant. And so

823
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: this in Vivo seventeen is speaking through her body, using

824
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: her body against her will, and there is no other

825
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: way to interpret that than possession. You could say, what

826
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: it's a benign message, it's for the good, that's great,

827
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: But nobody asked her about it.

828
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: Now, what's interesting about what you just said about the possession?

829
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It is true, it looks like somebody The phrase they

830
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: use in the movie is dive on dive. Yeah, she's

831
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: been dived on and possessed by clearly an alien force.

832
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: But what's potentially another point of confusion or explanation is

833
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: that there's this device that is used in the film,

834
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: This Little about Ya device, a metal device that you

835
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: hold in your hand like this and allows you, particularly

836
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: the Colin Firth character who runs Wardex the Secret Keeping Organization,

837
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: it allows him to take technological possession of other people.

838
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: So his name is scan One, by the way, and

839
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: he takes control of Eve Houston's character Jane and tries

840
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: to make her kill Daniel. Yes, there are a few

841
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: moments just from a film viewing thing where her eyes

842
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: are doing what I can't do it. But whatever She's

843
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: making eyes at the guy that look like, Hey, I'm

844
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: in a killer movie and I've been bessd by the

845
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: devil and I'm going to take you out now. So

846
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: what's the deal with this device? What's your take?

847
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: They really don't explain it in the movie, Wardex seems

848
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: to have Like before the movie starts, Wardex has three

849
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: of these devices. Two of them are stolen by the

850
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Hugo led faction that recruits Daniel, so they take two,

851
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: they leave one behind. I'm not sure if you're going

852
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: to start stealing stuff, why don't you steal everything? But

853
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: they leave one behind. And so what it seems to me,

854
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: because they really don't give any exposition on this, is

855
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: that these gray aliens, like in Vivo seventeen, have the

856
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: ability without a device, to jump into people's minds take

857
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: control of them in the same way that Colin Firth

858
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: does or Scanlon does with the movie. But he needs

859
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: the device. So humans, even activated humans like Margaret, need

860
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: that device to have these extra powers. The aliens do not.

861
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: So I feel that what they did was somehow along

862
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: the way they gifted humans these kind of training wheels,

863
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: these little devices that would allow them to experience the

864
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: powers that they have, So again, how those ended up

865
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: with wardex They never explain why only three. They never explain.

866
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: There is an interesting thing where at one point in

867
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: the movie, so many bad things are happening, and the

868
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: Margaret character is using one of these devices to make

869
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: everyone invisible that she's trying to protect and turn on

870
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: power and do all sorts of other things, and the

871
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: device essentially gets spent, like this thing that looks like

872
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: a technological kind of baton ends up just crumbling into

873
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: dust because it's been used up like a battery.

874
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: That's very strange, and I don't think we're ever going

875
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: to get the complete answer, although the screenwriter, David kepp

876
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: I believe did say in an interview that if he

877
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: had given even one more power to this device, and

878
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: it would be too much because it would have become

879
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: the magic wand so that he has deliberately in this screenplay,

880
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: which is based on the story from Steven Spielberg, he

881
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: has made clear that the humans in the film don't

882
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: understand how it works except for the two things it

883
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: seems able to do, which is act as a weapon.

884
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: We've seen you possess somebody and can do what you

885
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: need and also other things it's done, but also it's

886
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: a means of discovery, so it's multifaceted already, and it's mysterious.

887
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So one thing I want to drill down on here,

888
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: which is a key plot point in the movie, is

889
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: this device that you can dive on people you learn

890
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, and that they cannot do it to the

891
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: Daniel character. That would be the obvious way to literally

892
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: eliminate the whole plot of the movie is if Scanlon

893
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: and Wardex could just zoom in and take control of

894
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: Daniel's body like they later do with Jane, then the

895
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: movie would be over. But they can't do it. Do

896
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: you remember why? No, because Daniel was an experiencer.

897
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, yeah.

898
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: Somehow we find that this dive process will not work

899
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: on experiencers. Being an experiencer myself, this feels completely counterintuitive, right.

900
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: The whole idea of being an experiencer is that you

901
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: are more open to things, right, You have a more

902
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: kind of just philosophically open mind, but you are also

903
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: probably more open sensitive wise to different frequencies and different

904
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: realities that are out there. And so that would in

905
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: my mind make it more that you would be much

906
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: easier to dive into or dive onto than an ordinary person.

907
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: But they're flipping the whole idea around.

908
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I got to ask the one question that I

909
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: just even with the two viewings, I don't understand it

910
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: exactly and I don't even know if I agree with it.

911
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: But the idea is Colon Domngo again, who is leading

912
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: the breakaway group from the breakaway So in other words,

913
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the breakaway group is trying to keep it all secret.

914
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: The breakaway group from inside the breakaway group is trying

915
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: to get the secret out. But somehow these two main

916
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: characters have been brought together and they are part of

917
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: the Disclosure Day plan. The Aliens plan are using them

918
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: somehow in concert with the sub breakaway group to get

919
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: disclosure out. And one of the things that Coleman Domingo

920
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: says to me, because it's about YouTube, it's always been

921
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: about the two of you, Okay, I get that from

922
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a chosen They even call themselves chosen, right, So that's

923
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: something that shows up in stories all the time. People

924
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: are chosen to be given their special powers and all that.

925
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: But I think it's very clear over time, many people

926
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: have claimed to be abducted. So my question is, if

927
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: these two were the chosen one, what about Betty and

928
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: Barney Hill, What about Travis Walton, what about Whitley Strieber.

929
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: What about the hundreds, if not thousands, if not tens

930
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: of thousands, if not more than that, people who have

931
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: claimed some form of experience through abduction. Not all of

932
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: those people are happy they were abducted. Not all of

933
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: them were given powers, not all of them were given insight.

934
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: Some of them were just messed with. So I don't

935
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: understand what the movie is saying about the entire abduction plan.

936
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: What was that all about?

937
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: And one other thing to add to that list of

938
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: what abouts? What about everyone outside of America, all of

939
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: those characters that you talked about in all place in America? Right,

940
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: this is a global phenomenon we're talking about by all accounts,

941
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: and the two chosen for disclosing to the Toll World,

942
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: we're from the same town in America.

943
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: It's coincidental, the American idea. That is also something because

944
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: every time I'm interviewed by a news organization, I always

945
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: make it a point to say, this is not just

946
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: a US situation. This is a global phenomenon, and If

947
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: it's a solution, it's global. If it's a problem, it's global. Okay,

948
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: as we know. As we said, Spielberg has given a

949
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: lot of money to make this movie, but it basically

950
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: takes place in New Jersey, Kansas, rather but shooting in

951
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: New Jersey. If you have a lot of money, why

952
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: didn't you know the Bourne identity with the same kind

953
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: of budget has shot all over the world. I just

954
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: feel like, why wasn't one of these characters abducted from

955
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: another part of the world, this world and they're brought together,

956
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: and why? Because the chase feels small and ineffective, and

957
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a guy beating a dead horse.

958
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: But that is the number one thing that undermines it

959
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: as a great film because the very basic things that

960
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: you say, Spielberg's got that covered, baby. There are some

961
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: plot points holes where you just say, these wardex people

962
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: would easily have found them, and instead of firing multiple

963
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: bullets and missing them every time, they'd have had one

964
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: bullet and put it in his head and intoed it.

965
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: So there's an undermining effect to it. That's all same.

966
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you. I think we could go

967
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: through the plot pretty closely and find a lot of issues.

968
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: But I think let's focus for a moment on the

969
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: bigger picture here some of the messages and implications in

970
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: the movie and evaluate that we talked about before this

971
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: idea of seven billion to eight billion, was that to

972
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: get people having a conversation about hybrids. I know one

973
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: of the people I talked to after my first screening was,

974
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: in this movie, are they hybrids? It are Margaret and

975
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: Daniel hybrids because they're not entirely human. They're not all

976
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: human because why they were abducted and their whole DNA

977
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: was seemed to have been rewritten. They were upgraded, so

978
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: now they're humans or in a human body, but they

979
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: have a whole alien intelligence and capabilities. So is that

980
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: a new form of hybrid? Right Where it used to

981
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: be thinking that, oh I've got a little bit of

982
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: alien DNA and I've got a little bit of human DNA,

983
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: and I grow up and look at me, I'm a hybrid,

984
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: this was more no. So these were kids that were

985
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: ten years old, so pretty, you know, well formed humans

986
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: that were then altered. Does that constitute being a hybrid?

987
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: By the way, what's the movie is it? District nine

988
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: is that the one that you're right, that guy ends

989
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: up getting alien stuff in a minute. It ain't good

990
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: right now, This is the sweetness and light version of

991
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: being abducted and messed with by aliens, because they both

992
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: are upgraded and life is good. In fact, if I

993
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: could get that kind of upgrade, bring it on, because

994
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: that would be a lovely upgrade to have.

995
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: So then the implication, though, is that these two that

996
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: were activated, that got these two upgrades represent now the

997
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: aspirational bar that all humanity needs to get.

998
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: Correct.

999
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: So is the message of the movie. Everyone needs to

1000
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 2: just bite the bullet and get abducted. Everyone's going to

1001
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: have to go through that same really terrible In proceed.

1002
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: We're going to get into the message of the movie.

1003
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: I think we need to work backward from the actual

1004
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: final ending of the film. Yes happens at the ending

1005
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: is they end up at the Kansas City television station, where,

1006
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: without getting into all the details, they come and dear

1007
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: the feed and manage to feed out these many terabytes

1008
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: of data on a multi faceted video stream that seems

1009
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: to go everywhere, as he said, all at once. Okay,

1010
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: and this takes you to your in vivo seventeen because

1011
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: and again this is deep spoiler. If you've been with

1012
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: us so far and you're like, hey, I don't maybe

1013
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: I should go. Yes, if you haven't seen it, go

1014
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: watch it, because this is deep spoiler. Because what's the

1015
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: one thing people have said during the government tranches being

1016
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: released and everything, Brent, They always say, you know what,

1017
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: show us the saucers and which is the video feed?

1018
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: They also say, show me a freaking alien. Yeah, so

1019
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: that's what the director does.

1020
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, I was just going to say. At

1021
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: the very end, in the backdrop of the Daniel character

1022
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: has downloaded all of the media that he stole. So

1023
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: you see on this big wall of screens all of

1024
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: these videos, all of the video evidence is being disclosed

1025
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: to the public. It's all streaming right all around the world, seemingly.

1026
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: But then the piece de resistance that's going to close

1027
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: the deal. Because of course, anyone can look at videos

1028
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: now and say, well, that's fake, that's AI. But it's

1029
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: much harder when you roll out an eight foot alien

1030
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: that's arrive in a TV studio.

1031
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: That's what they do, and this thing is in a

1032
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: whole contraption and they it stands up and that It's

1033
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 3: like an old man getting up out of a chair,

1034
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: and it stands up, it towers over Daniel and Margaret, and.

1035
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: Then it leans down to Daniel and it speaks in

1036
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: the clickety clack language to him. Why because his superpower

1037
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: is that he can understand the alien language. Why because

1038
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: it's meth It's mathematical somehow. And then Daniel, having gotten

1039
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: this message imparted from in Vivo seventeen, who's behind all

1040
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: of disclosure, turns to Margaret and whispers the message to her.

1041
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: This whole time, we cannot hear it, right, so unless

1042
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: you speak clickety clack language, you did not, just checking.

1043
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: And then so, now imbued with this new message that

1044
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: she is meant to impart to mankind, she has a

1045
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: glow on her face like Okay, I know what I'm

1046
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: supposed to say. She walks back over and the final

1047
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: shot of the movie is her looking straight into the

1048
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: camera like she's addressing the world, and we as the audience,

1049
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: are now part of that world. And she says one word,

1050
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: and the word is listen roll credits. Listen.

1051
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, listen, let's pack that there. I

1052
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: just did it instinctively. Listen Okay, lots of questions raised

1053
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: by that. Okay, if someone tells me to listen, that

1054
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: doesn't impart information to me. That's hey, listen up, Okay,

1055
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: what are you here to tell me? But then we

1056
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: go to black and so we don't tell anybody anything.

1057
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to throw that out there. When

1058
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: you heard that, what do you think she meets?

1059
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: The first viewing, I was just confused. I was like, Okay,

1060
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm listening, and then I kept thinking, Oh, there's going

1061
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: to be a Marvel scene like that. Will has like

1062
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: a scene that's embedded in the credits, so you stick around,

1063
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 2: you wait through all long set of credits, and there's

1064
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: something else I'm supposed to be listening to. So I

1065
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: was disgruntled upon the first time I saw it, and

1066
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: then a couple days later when I saw it again,

1067
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, this is interesting. Maybe the message is

1068
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: let's go back to what are most people who are

1069
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: our audience, Who are people that are understand ufology? What

1070
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: are they immersed in? They're immersed in all of these

1071
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: facts and figures, and they're watching all of these disclosed

1072
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: videos and media and photo that's coming out of the

1073
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: Trump administration and so maybe the message to them and

1074
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: to everyone else is listen to what is happening in

1075
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: the real world right now, right listen, pay attention. So

1076
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: that was my thought was that this whole movie feels

1077
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: like getting your attention for two and a half hours

1078
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: and now asking you. The call to action at the

1079
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: very end is Spielberg saying, I want you to listen

1080
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: to everything that's happening in the real world. The movie's over. Now,

1081
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: listen to what the Trump administration is saying. Listen to

1082
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: all of the strife in the world, where empathy would

1083
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: be an amazing thing that can help take all of

1084
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: the ideas in here and listen. So I think that's

1085
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: somewhat backed up by some of the stuff that the screenwriter,

1086
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: David Kep said, Did you see that anything that he

1087
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: said in that interview that he gave about the movie.

1088
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: One thing he said that I thought was interesting is

1089
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: that it's the first thing he ever wrote when you

1090
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: got Spielberg's draft, and he put that in there, and

1091
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: so it was in there from every draft on which

1092
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: means both I and Spielberg said this is a great ending, man,

1093
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: this is we should go with this. So I know

1094
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: they loved it. I'm still reading a little bit, don't

1095
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: quite have it all figured out, but I know other

1096
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: people will probably leave comments saying, you idiot, this is

1097
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: so obvious, but it's not obvious to me. I'm sorry,

1098
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: it's just not Yeah.

1099
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: And then there's just even the broader thing of hopefully,

1100
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure in the filmmaker's minds, the film sparked conversation.

1101
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: So go out and listen to the conversations that are

1102
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: happening around the movie.

1103
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: That's a good explanation.

1104
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: You don't understand everything that some people know more about listen,

1105
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: just get engaged, right. I just found the reference. Kep says,

1106
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: it just so happens to be the first word of

1107
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: one of my favorite books, Slaughterhouse five by Kurtin Bockett,

1108
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: which that is a very good book, but it's also

1109
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: the first word of numerous Hebrew prayers. And I believe

1110
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: David Kept is Jewish, so he says, so I wrote listen,

1111
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: and then I just typed the period, because I think

1112
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: when you have one word that says everything you want

1113
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: to say, you should just stop talking.

1114
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: Listen. I love that he put it that way. That's

1115
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful way to put it. I will say just

1116
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: as an observation that given that the high point of

1117
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: the film, at the end of the film is streaming

1118
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: out many terabytes of actual evidence, visual evidence on all

1119
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: these monitors, and then wheeling out an ancient alien who

1120
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: can get up out of his wheelchair and touch them,

1121
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: it's almost felt to me like she should have said look,

1122
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: because watch, look, look, watch listen, because the evidence isn't auditory.

1123
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: The evidence is visual. So it's got to be him saying, Okay,

1124
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: we've laid this all out for you, and now talk

1125
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: amongst yourselves and listen for a change. Stop being the

1126
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: people that have to be heard first. Listen. I am

1127
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: willing to listen. I am listening now. I've been listening

1128
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: for years. And the truth of the matter is a

1129
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: lot of people who are active in the ufology movement

1130
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: or whatever have been saying this for years themselves to

1131
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: their friends. It's all around you. This evidence is already out.

1132
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: This isn't a secret. Just listen. So yeah, I can

1133
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: see that I'm willing to cut him slack on that one,

1134
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to start listening.

1135
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: Okay. One of the things I thought about was what

1136
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: has actually been disclosed in this movie. Was there anything

1137
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: any new information or anything that was being taken and

1138
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: from this could have happened to some degree of certainty

1139
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: Roswell Okay, So he not only comes out and says

1140
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: Roswell's was real, but he reconstructs and recreates a whole scene.

1141
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: Are we done as documentary style at the Roswell crash itself?

1142
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: So that's one. And then another thing that he comes

1143
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: out and says, wasn't it the.

1144
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: Kechsburg, Pennsylvania. Don't have the date in my head, but Kesburg,

1145
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Nixon reason as we said.

1146
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: And then I forget was there some verification of Majestic

1147
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: or Majestic twelve in the movie.

1148
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: If there was, I'm not aware of it. I don't

1149
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: remember it. There is because literally, as we're recording this,

1150
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: and we'll have more to say on this topic in

1151
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: the future, Brett, but there are several documents that have

1152
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: come out supposedly today as we record this, that then

1153
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: credence to Majestic twelve as being an actual organization that

1154
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: existed to manage this situation going back to nineteen forty

1155
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: seven and implicates Majestic in the death of James Forrestall

1156
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,479
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine.

1157
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: As we've talked about it in a previous episode.

1158
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: Yes, so I think we will be having more to

1159
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: say about Majestic. So probably we'll figure out if Spielberg

1160
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: is on our team stake or not. Between now and then,

1161
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: let's bring.

1162
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: This home and let's ask the question, both for us

1163
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: and for the general public. How has Disclosure Day advanced

1164
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: the disclosure narrative in any way in your mind?

1165
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you one word answer, and you have to listen.

1166
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yes?

1167
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: Yes? And what is the way that you feel it's advanced.

1168
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: It just obvious even if you don't like the movie,

1169
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: even if you haven't seen the movie, people around more,

1170
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: people around you are talking about this issue now. And look,

1171
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: Dolan and I first talked about after Disclosure and we

1172
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: said it leading up to be slow dripped disclosure or

1173
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: a hard cut. This isn't a hard cut. He doesn't

1174
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: like Spielberg put a movie out and actually put real

1175
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: authentic evidence inside it, and then everybody went, oh my god,

1176
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: it's not just that didn't happen. So there's no hard

1177
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: cut about this thing. But in terms of the slow

1178
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: drip of which you and I have been a part

1179
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: of for most of our careers and has been picking

1180
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: up intensity in twenty seventeen through the Grush situation and

1181
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: the whistleblowers and the testimony before Congress, the Age of

1182
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: Disclosure documentary and other fine ones like the ones James

1183
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: Fox has done as well. And now this, for sure,

1184
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: this one has delivered to the people something to talk about.

1185
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: And either they're going to say, wholly, this really convinced me,

1186
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: or other people will say what did you think of

1187
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: the movie? They'll end up saying is this stuff real?

1188
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: I've already got friends Brent who are texting me and

1189
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: calling me, going, so what do you think about the movie?

1190
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: And what they're really asking me is this true?

1191
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes? And on that point I want to just and

1192
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: this is my own personal interpretation. If I rewind and

1193
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: I go back and I do what Steven Spielberg asked

1194
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: me to do in the trailers, which is consider this

1195
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: more truth than fiction, then I'm going to just, at

1196
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: face value take the biggest idea in my mind that

1197
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: he's telling us, which is there are aliens on this planet.

1198
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: They are more advanced than we are in many ways.

1199
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: They can control us with our minds through our minds,

1200
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: and they can also take the form of animals. And

1201
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: now I would say extrapolate that into if they can

1202
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: take the form of animals, they can take the form

1203
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 2: of humans. Okay, whether they're hybrids or not. There are

1204
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: aliens here on this planet that can take control of

1205
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 2: us and turn me into an alien inside a human body,

1206
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: or they can mislead us and look like animals or

1207
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: humans to interact with us. Sure, any way that I

1208
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: read that, if that was the truth, it's being conveyed

1209
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: that we need to get ready for I find that

1210
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: unsettling personally, going back to that first message, don't be

1211
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: afraid of what you don't know. Okay, I'd like to

1212
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: not be afraid, but everything that you're just telling me,

1213
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: with my interpretation of it, feels unsettling.

1214
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: It's totally unsettling. And I will, as a closing thought say,

1215
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: I do think he shied away from one key point,

1216
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: which is everything I'm aware of and just my own

1217
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: gut instinct is if there's one, there's several, and if

1218
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: there's several, there might be many. So the idea that

1219
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: it's just the grays out there, including a tall gray,

1220
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: I think is not fully responsive, not to say that

1221
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: he hasn't told truth, but it is to say maybe

1222
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: he has build a whole truth. And then that all

1223
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: final thought would be, because again I wrote a book

1224
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: about it, I can't wait for the sequel idea, which is, okay,

1225
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: if you're going to lay out all this and say

1226
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: this stuff's true, they're here, they've been here a long time,

1227
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: there's been a strange interaction with them over all this time,

1228
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: and all the things that you just stipulated, that's a

1229
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: lot to process for us. And the question would be

1230
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: if I got my hotel TV over there right now,

1231
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: it's on playing some stuff, if what it was playing

1232
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: instead was hardcore contact evidence of the such that Disclosure

1233
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: Day says that they put out an actual video of

1234
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: aliens and crashes and incredible gun camera footage of which

1235
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: there's some really nice shots in his final montage. How

1236
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: would people react to that? And I would say it's

1237
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: a mixed like the movie. They'll react in a way

1238
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: that's a mixed bag. So that's what I think is next.

1239
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: Let's end this with one provocative question work. Midway through

1240
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: our first season, we always talked about this was going

1241
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: to be at the midpoint, which is very exciting. When

1242
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 2: we were back even at episode one, we're at the midpoint. Now.

1243
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: We premised this whole show on the idea that there

1244
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: was a secret connection between Hollywood and UFOs. That was

1245
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: our central premise based on our own experience, and we

1246
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: were going to, through our active investigation, go look at

1247
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: movies and TV shows and see if there was any

1248
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 2: more evidence. And one of those first pieces of evidence

1249
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: that we presented was the idea that Steven Spielberg might

1250
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: have gotten a deal based on interesting stories and anecdotes.

1251
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: There was no proof of it at the time. Now

1252
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: fast forward to twenty twenty six, Steven Spielberg, how's a

1253
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: movie come out? Coincidentally, possibly right in the midst of

1254
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: actual disclosure happening. In fact, the feelings I had when

1255
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: I was watching the movie the second time was up

1256
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: on the screen. There's all of these pieces of media

1257
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: that are being disclosed to the public. And then I

1258
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: come back to my hotel room and there's a new

1259
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: trunch of videos that have just been released by the

1260
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: Trump administration, and it's all overlapping. It's conflating. Where does

1261
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: the movie and reality begin and end? It's all blurred together.

1262
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: So what are the odds that all happened in happy coincidence? Right?

1263
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: It seems hard to believe. In which case is the

1264
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: fact that this movie came out with these messages at

1265
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: this time further evidence that Steven Spielberg must be in

1266
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 2: the know, must be connected in some way, In which

1267
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 2: case he has come forward and said, I'm going to

1268
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 2: tell you the truth. That's what's happening here. So is

1269
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: it a secret anymore? I guess is my question to you,

1270
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: is this connection that we talked about a secret? Not

1271
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 2: to mention the fact we had Brett Leonard come on

1272
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: our show, we have other people that have told us

1273
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: off camera that they have had similar situations. Hopefully they'll

1274
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: be coming on in the second part of our season.

1275
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 2: So do we need to change our premise?

1276
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: I think we are in the midst of changing it.

1277
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: On the topic of Spielberg, the standard is always put

1278
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: is I would not bet my house that he is

1279
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: on the inside, but I would bet your house on that,

1280
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm strong on that. And on your comment,

1281
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: is there an end or a beginning that's happening with

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood UFO connection, I would say this is strong

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Speaker 1: evidence for me that we are most likely watching not

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Speaker 1: an end or a beginning, but a convergence. Yes, Hollywood

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Speaker 1: and UFOs have been involved from the very beginning, from

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Speaker 1: those Flying Saucer movies of the fifties, through the timeframe

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Speaker 1: that we've been working our way through, through our own

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Speaker 1: personal experience, through the experience other people have had, Hollywood

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Speaker 1: and UFOs. There has been a secret connection. There remains

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Speaker 1: a secret connection, and it may not stay secret that

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Speaker 1: much longer either.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great way to end the show.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you've enjoyed our deconstruction of the movie and also

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Speaker 2: what the movie might mean to pop culture. Please, when

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Speaker 2: you watch this episode, leave some comments. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: your thoughts, because this is all part of the discussion.

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Speaker 2: And what are we gonna do? Bryce, We're gonna listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm listening, folks, all right, listen, Listen up, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Sound Light and Frequency is an iHeart podcast produced by

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Speaker 1: Stellar Productions. It's executive produced by Nick Johnson and for

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Speaker 1: Stellar Jackie's Abel. Our show's music was written by Anna

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Speaker 1: Stumpf and Hamilton Lighthauser and your hosts and executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Bryce Abel, That's me and Brent Friedman watch The

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Speaker 1: GUIs