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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to have our listeners grade are our

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Speaker 2: You don't want to want You don't want that answer

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Speaker 2: I've seen in the comments. You don't want that answer.

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Speaker 1: I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Unless you want to be done with the responsibility of it.

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Speaker 2: You don't want that answer in the chat. Who's better

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Speaker 1: I gotta redeem myself today. I'm back in studio and

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Speaker 1: I gotta be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I saw the comments last week.

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Speaker 1: I think the people decided.

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Speaker 2: I saw the YouTube comments last week.

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Speaker 1: And this is an ongoing This is an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not over. It's not over. It to seven game series.

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Speaker 1: That was just game one.

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Speaker 2: So do I get a redemption shot for answering the phone?

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Speaker 1: You know you were terrible at that. You're horrible at it.

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Speaker 1: You're done? Evan Lazar, Alex Bark Patriots Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Here with you for the next couple of hours. Back

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Speaker 1: in studio, back from the Senior Bowl. Had a really

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Speaker 1: fun trip down there to Mobile. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit of Senior Bowl leftovers today. I am sure a draft.

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Speaker 1: I know all you guys want to want to chat

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Speaker 1: with us about that I'm doing. I'm getting I'm getting

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Speaker 1: some headway with my draft prep right now. Between the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and the Combine, it's usually a little bit

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Speaker 2: So I've got some recncy bias takes, bias players.

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Speaker 1: I've got some you know, just some draft takes that

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Speaker 1: in my mind. But I do want to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit off the top here about some of the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff updates. We didn't talk about it last week

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Speaker 1: because we focused on the Senior Bowl, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, Thomas Brown, Doug Moron, Todd Downing like

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Speaker 1: to that. And I also have to get something off

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Speaker 1: get to that here in a second as well, but

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Okay, So can I get this

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Speaker 1: off my chest real quick about the Super Bowl? And

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Speaker 1: you don't have to partake, because I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: little subtle jab at your station maybe in this rant.

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Speaker 1: But I just got to say, and this is not

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are getting all these flowers this week. They're in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, They're a dynasty. They deserve their flowers.

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Speaker 1: I just gotta be honest. I do not find it

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Speaker 1: at all entertaining to discuss Patriots Chiefs, Belichick, Reid, Kelsey, Gronk, Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: So it's not just your station, it's everywhere and right

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why we have to constantly do it.

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Speaker 1: It's nauseating. There's other things to talk about in this

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna take away from either team. Whether you

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Speaker 2: That's the reality. It looks like, I'll give him this.

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Speaker 2: If you're there, you're getting talked about, and they're there,

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Speaker 1: He didn't know I wanted him.

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Speaker 1: It's not even about the Chiefs still, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, I think people felt this way about the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: a week. Like I get it. I like you if

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Speaker 2: you're there that much. There's the fatigue that the Warriors.

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Speaker 2: Felger did this. I don't know if you heard this

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Speaker 2: interesting conversation. Are dynasties good for sports? So?

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Speaker 1: And Felger's think a villain is good for sports.

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Speaker 2: But that to me is the more interesting conversation this week.

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Speaker 2: Are the Chiefs good for the NFL? Like three years

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Speaker 2: and years, is Alabama football good for college football? And

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Speaker 2: and it was a very exciting season. So that's the

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Speaker 2: more interesting conversation to me this week, you know, and

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Speaker 2: if the Chiefs lose, maybe that kind of changes it.

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Speaker 2: But like is it good and it's you don't want

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Speaker 2: You want some sustained success because you want people to

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Speaker 2: be familiar with the elite teams. But I do think

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Speaker 2: there's a tipping point where again that fatigue kicks in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we spent nine minutes on this. That

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Speaker 2: We are a football show, super Bowl, we should.

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Speaker 1: I just keep coming back to the same thing, and

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Speaker 1: I'll throw a little straight at your show, at your station,

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Speaker 1: which I listened to your your station a lot, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of your station, so this isn't me

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Speaker 1: coming at it like screw sports radio. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I listened to it all day in the car. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that I'm I come back to is as

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Speaker 1: in the car driving home from here yesterday, for forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes, they spend forty minutes talking Chiefs Patriots dynasty comparison,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. I just I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. Well, yeah, if we wrap it

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Speaker 1: just let Jalen Hurts kind of be a point guard,

433
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Speaker 1: like he's just kind of a sidecar to what they're

434
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Speaker 1: really doing offensively, and in a lot of ways, I

435
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Speaker 1: would say Drake May has a higher ceiling than Jalen

436
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Speaker 1: Hurts as a passer. I think Drake May has more

437
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Speaker 1: physical talent in terms of his throwing ability, So maybe

438
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Speaker 1: he doesn't need all that help. But I just why not, right, Like,

439
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: why not build the offense around that and why not

440
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Speaker 1: have that much help. It's obviously takes a while to

441
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Speaker 1: build out, but I think the way the Eagles do it,

442
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Speaker 1: the way that they allocate their resources, the way they

443
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Speaker 1: spend over the cap, the way that they bring in

444
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Speaker 1: guys in all avenues, I think if you're trying to

445
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Speaker 1: model yourself after one of these franchises, it's absolutely the

446
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. And what Howie Roseman's done with Dad in mind,

447
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Speaker 1: I want to segue to the coaching staff a little

448
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Speaker 1: bit and talk some patriots. We'll take some emails, Oh, take.

449
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Speaker 2: Some talk about this tremendous defense they've built Phillies.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I'm not that interested.

451
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Speaker 2: The defense is unbelievable.

452
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Speaker 1: It's good defense. I don't know if it's unbelievable, it's

453
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Speaker 1: good defense.

454
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Speaker 2: That front's awesome.

455
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Speaker 1: Man, come on, it's good front. They've done a nice

456
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Speaker 1: job and obviously Vig Fangio has really put it all

457
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Speaker 1: together for them. I would say that, you know, some

458
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Speaker 1: of the bigger players that have stood out to me

459
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Speaker 1: from the Eagles though, is in their back end. You know,

460
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Speaker 1: Quinjon Mitchell has been an awesome rookie for them. Cooper

461
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Speaker 1: dejen a guy that all of us liked a lot

462
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Speaker 1: in the draft, has been very very good. And Zach Bond,

463
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Speaker 1: who's going to be a free agent, has really put

464
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Speaker 1: it all together in terms of the middle of the

465
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Speaker 1: field for them at linebacker. You know, can cover, can

466
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Speaker 1: cover a lot of space from that linebacker position, whether

467
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Speaker 1: it's dropping back in coverage or it's going sideline to

468
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Speaker 1: sideline against the run. And obviously they have the guys

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Speaker 1: up front, but they always kind of had the guys

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Speaker 1: up front. To me, Yeah, they always had had good

471
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Speaker 1: defensive lines in Philadelphia, even going back to the when

472
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Speaker 1: the Patriots played them in the Super Bowl in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: But they've now evolved, I think, to having a much

474
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Speaker 1: stronger secondary, so that yeah, they have a great well.

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Speaker 2: I guess my point is, you know, you went, you

476
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Speaker 2: broke down how they built the offense. Gadian Mitchell first

477
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Speaker 2: round pick, Jalen Carter first round pick. But you have

478
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Speaker 2: you know Zach Bond, who was a fine free agent.

479
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Speaker 2: You know you have to It's that same thing with

480
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Speaker 2: Josh Sweat was kind of a fine Where did he

481
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Speaker 2: get He was like, what third fourth round pick?

482
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Speaker 1: I have to look at? I always get him in

483
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Speaker 1: Montese Sweat confused.

484
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Speaker 2: Montes first round pick. Check that. But it's like, by

485
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Speaker 2: the way, Josh Sweat free agent, you're not gonna get you.

486
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Speaker 2: There needs to be a balance. You can't build the

487
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Speaker 2: entire thing through splash and free agency. You can't build

488
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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick eighteen. So he's been around for

489
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: a while well because draft and develop. Yeah, and I

490
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Speaker 2: know people probably don't want to hear that phrase as

491
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Speaker 2: it relates to the Patriots, but they were able to

492
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Speaker 2: hit on first round picks immediately. They were able to

493
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Speaker 2: get mid round guys to grow into their roles. They

494
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Speaker 2: were able to get big name free agents to step

495
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Speaker 2: in and make plays, and they were able to find

496
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Speaker 2: guys in free agency too. That's how you're gonna do it.

497
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Speaker 2: So as we go through this offseason and talk about

498
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Speaker 2: like you know, if the Patriots are gonna really accelerate this,

499
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Speaker 2: It's not just gonna be all right. We signed Josh

500
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Speaker 2: Sweat and Tech McMillan free agency, and we drafted you know,

501
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Speaker 2: Will Carter and Jayan Higgins at the top of the draft. Right,

502
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: you are going to have to find guys in free

503
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: agency in the draft. That shouldn't be your plan. You're

504
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: playing going in shouldn't be all right, We're gonna get

505
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: all these sleepers. But like, you have to be able

506
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Speaker 2: to do that. Belichick was amazing at that. Guys like

507
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: Kavin Noy's a trade but I'd consider him like a fine, right, Yeah,

508
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: Vin Noy was a guy that was a fine. Getting

509
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: Wes Welker in the nature they did was a fine.

510
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: Guys like that, You're you're still going to need to

511
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Speaker 2: be able to do that in order to really hit

512
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Speaker 2: that apex. If you want to speed this thing up,

513
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: and you have to be able to focus on both

514
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Speaker 2: sides of the ball. You can't just hammer offense. You

515
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: can't just hammer defense. There needs to be a balance,

516
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Speaker 2: and you hope you get guys, you know, with premium

517
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Speaker 2: assets that can carry their side and give you that

518
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Speaker 2: time to spread the assets out more.

519
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Speaker 1: And I also think at this point with the Eagles too,

520
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: you get to a point where you're such a well

521
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: oiled machine, and we know this with the Patriots as well,

522
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: that now they can take some risks, like Jalen Carter

523
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: was a risk right where they especially where they drafted him.

524
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Speaker 1: You know, he felt these probably should have been the

525
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Speaker 1: number one overall pick in his draft, and he fell

526
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Speaker 1: because the off field stuff. But that was a risk

527
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: like that could have gone either way, and if you

528
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Speaker 1: don't have the infrastructure to support that kind of player,

529
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: then that could go the bad way, right like that,

530
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: and maybe he's you know, not on the team anymore

531
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Speaker 1: because he gets into another situation and now he's one

532
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: of the best defensive tackles in the league, and that

533
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: goes a long way too. With some of these flyers

534
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Speaker 1: that teams like the Eagles can afford to take, I

535
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Speaker 1: would also put in a much different way, but in

536
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Speaker 1: a similar category, like paying a running back like Sakwon

537
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Speaker 1: Barkley is a luxury item, and you can do that

538
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Speaker 1: when you're a team like the Eagles. When we talk

539
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Speaker 1: about the Patriots moving forward, like this is why I

540
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: won't even entertain a running back. When we discuss running

541
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Speaker 1: backs like Ashon Dentji, I won't entertain it because you

542
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: can't be taking luxury items when you're the Patriots. You

543
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: need to be taking players that are foundational elements of

544
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Speaker 1: this team. Dropping Sakwon Barley because you've made fun of

545
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Speaker 1: me for saying great running back earlier. Dropping Saquon Barkley

546
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: into that team is how you maximize a great running back.

547
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Speaker 1: That's how you truly have a great running back. Makes sense? Well,

548
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Speaker 1: I Missian McCaffrey with San Francisco forty nine ers like

549
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Speaker 1: it's the same situation.

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Speaker 2: Also meant that you acknowledging that running backs can be

551
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Speaker 2: great instead of saying they're all interchangeable.

552
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Speaker 1: I think they can be great, but I don't think

553
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Speaker 1: they move the needle unless they're put into situations like

554
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey and San Francisco, Barkley with the Eagles, I mean, right,

555
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: another good one, Derek Henry with the Ravens. And that

556
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Speaker 1: is where I feel like the league is caught up

557
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: in understanding they don't have zero value, but they just

558
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: have to be put in situations where they can make

559
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Speaker 1: an impact, like like the examples that be just named

560
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Speaker 1: all right, let's talk a little coaching staff and then

561
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Speaker 1: I will open it up to your phones eight five five,

562
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Speaker 1: pats five hundred. We got plenty of emails coming in

563
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Speaker 1: as well at podcasts at Patriots dot com. I want

564
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: to start with Thomas Brown. I think you know, and

565
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: again I should put this out there. This is all

566
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: reportedly that none of this is official, All these titles

567
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: or reports, none of it's official yet with the coordinators,

568
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: just the coordinators, So we're all going off of reports

569
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Speaker 1: here in terms of titles. But it sounds like Thomas Brown,

570
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: who is the interim coach for the Bears last year,

571
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Speaker 1: interim play caller for the Bears last year as well

572
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Speaker 1: midway through the season taking over there in Chicago, has

573
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Speaker 1: been an offensive coordinator, has been an assistant head coach,

574
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Speaker 1: has been an interim head coach, is going to be

575
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Speaker 1: the past game coordinator and tight ends coach for the

576
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Speaker 1: Patriots under Josh McDaniels and Mike Rable on the offensive

577
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Speaker 1: side of the ball. What I'm interested about with this

578
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: Thomas Brown higher is which tree of West Coast the

579
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Speaker 1: offense that he's been involved in is he tapping into.

580
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Speaker 1: Is he trying to bring Shanahan McVay elements from his

581
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Speaker 1: RAMS days with Sean McVay, Or is he trying to

582
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Speaker 1: bring Frank Reich Andy Reid elements from his time in

583
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Speaker 1: Carolina with Frank Reich. There's only one year barely with

584
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Speaker 1: Frank Reig. I don't even think he made it the

585
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: full season right in Carolina Thomas Brown, so I don't

586
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Speaker 1: know how much experience he really has in that. But

587
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Speaker 1: the one element that I look at with Thomas Brown

588
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Speaker 1: that I'm hoping for is that he is going to

589
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Speaker 1: bring some of those Kansas City, Philadelphia Frank like Andy

590
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: Reid elements to this offense. Because I do think that

591
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Speaker 1: Drake May is at his best in the gun I

592
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's at his real comfort level as an

593
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Speaker 1: under center quarterback. When you talk about a lot of

594
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Speaker 1: the elements that you bring in from a Shanahan West

595
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Coast offense, you're talking a lot of under center elements,

596
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, outside zone boogleg motion, play action, that kind

597
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: of stuff. I would like to see a lot more of,

598
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: like the Philadelphia Kansas City version of RPO, you know,

599
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: gun run, that sort of thing with the motion and

600
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: window dressing than the McVeigh offense necessarily, and I am

601
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Speaker 1: hoping that maybe that's where Thomas Brown comes in with

602
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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. And we've heard a lot of Josh mcdaniels's

603
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: offense is gonna bow all the doors all of our

604
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: socks off here with all the new innovations and things

605
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: like that. But what are your thoughts on Thomas Brown

606
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: and what he's gonna bring to the table here, So

607
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Speaker 1: just you.

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Speaker 2: Know, to what you said, I based on the other

609
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: people they've hired and talked to, doesn't it seem like

610
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: it's going to be the Frank rag Andy Reid direction

611
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: of things. So, yeah, the report right now is that

612
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Speaker 2: Thomas Brown's gonna be the pass game coordinator. Yeah, And

613
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Speaker 2: so I wonder if and I like that they're doing that.

614
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: He's the first, you know, pass or run game cordinator

615
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: in the history of the Patriots. They've never done that before.

616
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: If he's going to be the one kind of helping

617
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: to tie the traditional McDade like tie that stuff to

618
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: the traditional McDaniel stuff, and if he's going to kind

619
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Speaker 2: of end up being we use this term a couple

620
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, that translator right for for Drake may

621
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Speaker 2: to help tie the two together. So yeah, I think

622
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Speaker 2: he's a good hire. I think my big reaction was, like,

623
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: he has an impressive resume, and obviously the last few

624
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: places he's been it hasn't worked out. But by all

625
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: accounts that was it didn't work out, Like it wasn't

626
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: because of him that it didn't work out, right, So

627
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: this is a guy that you would think is gonna

628
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: have another shot at being a coordinator soon and for

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Speaker 2: for all we talked about when we did the Mike

630
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: Rabel Ben Johnson thing about you know, you don't want

631
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Speaker 2: a coordinator that's gonna jump ship right away. You want

632
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, and McDaniels gives you that stability. The flip

633
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: side of that is when you have a coordinator that's

634
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: kind of a roadblock, it can be harder to hire

635
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: positional coaches because they know there's no room to move

636
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: up internally and you can always go elsewhere and get

637
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: a new job at who likes to move right there?

638
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: You know there's room to move up internally. So to

639
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: get a guy like Thomas Brown, who has that runway

640
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: ahead of him, and it's not down the road, it's

641
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: right there, has that runaway ahead of him, to get

642
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: him to come here. With Josh McDaniels in place, I

643
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: think speaks very strongly to Mike Vrabel's program. It tells

644
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: you that this is a program what he's selling, whatever

645
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: it is he's saying in these meetings that guys want,

646
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Speaker 2: and I think to Drake it speaks to Drake may

647
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: Two like guys want to be here. Guys feel like

648
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: this is a good situation and even if that immediate

649
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: advancement isn't in front of them internally, they still feel

650
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: like this is the right place for them to be.

651
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: So I think being able to hire a guy like

652
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: Thomas Brown and as impressive as Thomas Brown is for

653
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: who he is and his resume and all of that,

654
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: I think speaks to what Mike Grabil is pitching and

655
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: coaches and players are different. But is that something that's

656
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: maybe indicative of what's ahead and free agency?

657
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely feels a little bit like Thomas Brown

658
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: is overqualified for the Jets, That's.

659
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

660
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: But he's here but pass reportedly, Yeah, pass game coordinator

661
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: and tight ends coach though, is a pathway to offensive coordinator.

662
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Tommy Reaves had that title with the Cleveland Browns last

663
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: year and now he's their offensive But it's not.

664
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Speaker 2: You know, pending something crazy that's he's not going to

665
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: be able to do that here, correct.

666
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: But he's going to interview I would think next cycle,

667
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: next year, he'll have interviews for offensive coordinator jobs. And

668
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: this title keeps him in that pipeline, whether it's here

669
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: or it's elsewhere. He's gonna his name is going to

670
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: continue to be in that pipeline. But what I go

671
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: back to again, just schematically with all this, because he

672
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: is going to be the past game coordinator, is can

673
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: they bring in some of those Kansas City Chief Philadelphia

674
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: elements to this offense and get some of that stuff

675
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: in here?

676
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: For say, RPOs, you're talking about RPOs?

677
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, why why does it matter because you.

678
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Got all excited about RPOs? What was it last week

679
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: two weeks ago?

680
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Love RPOs?

681
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake?

682
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: I just I think the biggest reason why I liked

683
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: him for Drake May is just watching teams like Kansas City,

684
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: watching teams like Philadelphia, watching teams like Buffalo. It always

685
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: puts the defense in a position where they have to

686
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: guard six guys, right, they have to guard the five

687
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: skill players and they have to guard the quarterback. So

688
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: you're putting the defense in this position where now all

689
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody on the field that's eligible to

690
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: touch the football is a threat. And that is really

691
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. I understand that it's not it's not

692
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: a cure all. They're not gonna all of a sudden

693
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: start running a bunch of RPOs and be the number

694
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: one offense in the league, right, That's not what I'm

695
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: getting at. But until they start to really leverage Drake

696
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: May's athletic ability, whether that's moving pockets, whether that's RPO,

697
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: whether that's readoption, whatever the case may be. And I

698
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: get to I hear like a lot of pushback on

699
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: this about keeping him healthy, and my rebuttal to that

700
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: is is this is how he's got to play like

701
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: if he he's got to figure out a way to

702
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: keep himself healthy. That's ultimately what it comes down to,

703
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: because if you take away this element of his skill set,

704
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: then he's playing left handed, like he's playing with one

705
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: hand tied behind his back. So in order for him

706
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: to be great, I do think that he's got to

707
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: have these types of elements within an offense. That doesn't

708
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: mean you have to turn him into Cam Newton and

709
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: turn him into a battering ram and have him run

710
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: inside the tackles ten times a game. You have the

711
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Joe Milton package for that, sure, but you just you

712
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: have to you have to be cognizant of what you're

713
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: calling and in terms of that kind of stuff. But again,

714
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: I go back to that Eagles, this Eagles offense. Go

715
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: watch the Eagles in the NFC Championship game, or go

716
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: watch the Eagles what we're going to see on Sunday

717
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and watch, like, how many real

718
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: hits Jalen Hurts takes on these types of schemes. I'm

719
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: not talking about hits in the pocket, you know, when

720
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: he's under pressure, but real hits in terms of running

721
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the football. In terms of running these type of schemes,

722
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: it's not as many as you think. So as long

723
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: as Drake May is cognizant of it, and they're cognizant

724
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: of how they're where they're putting him into those types

725
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: of situations, then they'll be all right. I in a

726
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways, I think it's better than having him

727
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: just run around scrambling like he did at times last

728
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: year because it's it's planned right, It's it's coordinated. There's

729
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: a scheme to it of where he's going to be

730
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Speaker 1: going and what direction is going to be going in.

731
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: So I think that's big, and I just I keep

732
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: coming back to how to you maximize his skill set?

733
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: The only way to maximize his skill set is to

734
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: use them like all these quarterbacks. Use them like Hurts,

735
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: use them like Allen, use them like Mahomes.

736
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: Like.

737
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: If you don't do those types of things, I just

738
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to get the most out of

739
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the players. So it's on everybody to keep them healthy.

740
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: But I think you have to if you're really going

741
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: to get this offense going where it needs to go.

742
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Next one Doug Maroon offensive line coach. It sounds like

743
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna be his title, or at least that it's going

744
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: to be where most of his involvement's going to be in.

745
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: I know there are some mixed reviews from his last

746
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: couple stops Alabama, New Orleans with the Saints. Wasn't great

747
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: in either one of those stops, But this is another

748
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: veteran coach that's been around football for one hundred years,

749
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: that's coached offensive line for a very, very long time.

750
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: So this isn't going to be a guy that's new

751
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: to the gig. This is not Scott Peters who's never

752
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: coached an offensive line room before, experience coach. I understand

753
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: that maybe his track record recently is spotty, but everything

754
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: that I've heard about Doug Moron is overwhelmingly positive about

755
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: his ball knowledge. Just his knowledge of the game is

756
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: knowledge of offensive line play and all those types of things.

757
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a small thing that how

758
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: dealing is also coming with him who is coaching with

759
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: the Titans, with Rabel, who's also been a head offensive

760
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: line coach. So you're essentially going to have two guys

761
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: in that room now that have both run the room before.

762
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's really a lot of brain

763
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: power to coach the offensive line. And there is a

764
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: tie there with Josh McDaniels with you know, through Bill

765
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: O'Brien with Doug Moroon, and that's big in this offense.

766
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: You have to have the coordinator and the offensive line

767
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: coach in unison in sync because a lot of this

768
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: offense is this is how we're going to design the

769
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: game plan, how are we going to block it up?

770
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: And the coordinator and McDaniels is going to rely a

771
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: lot on Doug moroone to help him with the schematics

772
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: of how they're gonna block things and all that kind

773
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. So it's an important relationship. I think that's

774
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the most important in my mind in this system especially,

775
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: is offensive coordinator an offensive line coach.

776
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he's a good higher.

777
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Look.

778
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: I think Peters did a good job last year, but Marone,

779
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: like you said, he's experienced. He can't have a ton

780
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: of talent to work with the New Orleans that last stop,

781
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: like it's gonna come down to if they don't give

782
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: him any talent, it's not gonna look good, just like

783
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: it did with Peters. But as a guy that's been

784
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: around a long time, he's done it in the track

785
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: record speaks for itself. So I thought that was a

786
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: good hire. We'll see if like you had said, you know,

787
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: is he gonna be the offensive line coach, is gonna

788
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: be a consultant working with the offensive lineman something like that.

789
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: We'll see, but we know he can do it. They

790
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: just got to get him the talent to work with.

791
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I come back to with him. I think

792
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: that Doug Moroon is probably going to be more big

793
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: picture schematic x's and o's again, and this is the

794
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: game plan, this is the opponent, these are the runs

795
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: we want to put in, These are the past plays

796
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: we want to put in. How are we going to

797
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: block these things? I think that's where Doug Moron's expertise

798
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: comes in. Jason Hodling is gonna probably be the assistant

799
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: offensive line coach, but might be the offensive line coach

800
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: with Doug Moron as like a senior assistant. We'll see

801
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: how that all shakes out. He to me is going

802
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: to be the technique guy, like I think he's going

803
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: to be the guy that's going to be trading up

804
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: Will Campbell or is going to be training up Arianta

805
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: or Soi or whoever ends up being the pick for

806
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: the Patriots and Cayden Wallace and the leftovers from last year.

807
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: Like those guys, I feel like from a technique standpoint,

808
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: are going to more work with Howdling and Doug Moron

809
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: is going to be more in terms of the big

810
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: picture overseer. And I think the similar thing with the

811
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: wide receivers coach Todd Downing is the reported higher for

812
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers coach. I have some reservations about this one.

813
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I think you do too. Yeah, this is probably my

814
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: least favorite hire of the entire staff so far, with

815
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: doubting it's not necessarily because of his reputation as a

816
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: play caller, because I don't really care because he's not

817
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: going to call plays. In fact, I think he's probably

818
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: at best third in line to call plays if God forbid,

819
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario happens, I would assume that Thomas

820
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Brown would be.

821
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he has a coordinator title, he should be.

822
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: I also wonder if even Doug Moron would be out

823
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: of him.

824
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm not too concerned about him touching that

825
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: aspect of it. What I am concerned about is his

826
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: lack of experience coaching wide receivers specifically and just in general.

827
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: They have really struggled with the development of that position,

828
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: not just the mental development, but also in a lot

829
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: of ways physical development as well. So a guy that's

830
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: never coached wide receivers before is now going to come

831
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: in here and he's going to have Jalen Polk, He's

832
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: maybe as Javon Baker, depending on if he makes a team.

833
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: He's probably going to have a draft pick that they

834
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: use a pretty high draft pick on a wide receiver

835
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: as well. My expected vision with Todd Downing McDaniels' offense

836
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: is very conceptual. They run a system that has a

837
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: lot of conversions. There's a lot of options, there's a

838
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: lot of sightedjusts and reads and things like that that

839
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: are involved in this route tree. And then there's also

840
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of concepts, Like you know, you have to

841
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: know who the what the other guys in the concept

842
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: are doing. Everything has sort of a domino effect on

843
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: each other. It's not just go run a nine route, right,

844
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: you have to understand what the guy next to you

845
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: is doing. My guess is that Downing, with his coordinator experience,

846
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: is probably coming in to teach the concepts of the

847
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: system and teach the big picture kind of like we

848
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: were just talking about with Doug Morone. And maybe there's

849
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: another shoot a drop in terms of a hire that

850
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: has the technique expertise the Taekwon Underwood type higher, right,

851
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: is it Wes Welker? I would love that. I don't

852
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: know if Wes Welker needs to take a demotion of

853
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: that magnitude going from a wide receivers coach with Miami

854
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: to now basically an assistant wide receivers coach, But I

855
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: would like to still see them bring in somebody that

856
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: has an expertise in technique fundamentals at the wide receiver position, releases,

857
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: top of the route, catch point, all that kind of stuff,

858
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: and then allow Todd down and to kind of run

859
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: the room.

860
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you right there. Like, this is a

861
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: team that has struggled with wide receiver development for a

862
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: long time. It's been quite the roadblock, So you'd hope

863
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: that they get somebody with experience in talent development. Downing

864
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: teaching the offense makes sense, but you need a player

865
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: developer in the building working with those guys, especially if

866
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: you play on taking a wide receiver high in the draft.

867
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: I've said this, and this higher kind of reinforces it

868
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: for me. As things stand right now, I don't know

869
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: that I want them to take a receiver in the

870
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: top one hundred because I just don't know that the

871
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: pieces are in place to bring that guy along. It

872
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they don't need a receiver. They absolutely do,

873
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: but it has to be in the veteran market. It

874
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: has to be a guy that has already developed has

875
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: proven himself in the league can come in on Day

876
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: one and be ready to go. And there's not a

877
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: receiver in this draft that's going to be able to

878
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: do that, even Ted McMillan or Travis Hunter. So like

879
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: if they were to add like a Wes Welker as

880
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: an assistant, that changes it a little bit for me.

881
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: But they need somebody who can who has experienced developing

882
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: players at that position. They've kind of used that coach

883
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: through multiple head coaches here now in different iterations as

884
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: sort of a schematic guy. That's not a coach where

885
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: you want a schematic guy for where this team is

886
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: at right now. You need a teacher, and they they've

887
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: got to find somebody to be that assistant who can

888
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: be that guy.

889
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: It's a good point really with McDaniel's going back, you

890
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: had Mick Lombardi, had Chad O'Shea. You had to your

891
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: point they had schematic guys in that role.

892
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: Remember was it Nick at one point?

893
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: Maybe going back aways? And Joe Judge was there.

894
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: For I know Joe Judge while being the special teams

895
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: coordinator made no sense.

896
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Michail Harry's rookie season. I don't Casario, I might have been.

897
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: That's they had some fun office guy who was like

898
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: also the wide receivers coach for a season, So yeah,

899
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: it was Nick Cassario in two thousand and seven while

900
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: he was mac Oys. But yeah, I think there was

901
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: one other job, might be forgetting better So.

902
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right, it is notoriously been eschematic coach,

903
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: like a guy that's coming in to coach the x's

904
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: and o's of the passing game. Almost they almost used

905
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: that role judge by the way, Yeah, you're almost used

906
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: that role in a lot of ways, like as like

907
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: a pass game coordinator, right, And they never gave that

908
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: official title out like you mentioned, but in a lot

909
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: of ways, that was what the wide receivers coach was here,

910
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: especially with Chad O'Shea, who was basically their red zone coordinator,

911
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: like he did a lot of the red zone work

912
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: when he was in New England. So I think they

913
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: can kind of ran into a little bit of some

914
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: roadblocks with some of these hires. Some of the guys

915
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: that were McDaniel's guys are under contract with other teams,

916
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: and I think that that did potentially add some kind

917
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: of roadblocks or issues with staff. I do think they

918
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: would have had interest in Chad O'shay coming back, but

919
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: he's under contract with the Browns, seems happy in Cleveland,

920
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, didn't want to move Carmen Brisillo with the

921
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: Giants running the offensive line with the Giants right now

922
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: under Dable. He obviously wasn't available contractually as well. So

923
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: guys like that maybe were part of the reason why.

924
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: And I'm interested with those two in particular. I bring

925
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: them up because we don't know what the future is

926
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: for Dabel or Kevin Stefanski in their head coaching position.

927
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: So is there a chance that this is what they

928
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: do this year and then come next year those guys,

929
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: their head coaches get blown out and then they end

930
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: up coming back and being McDaniel's guys. I think that's

931
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: definitely possible. I want to move over to the defense

932
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: side of the ball with one hire in particular that

933
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: I thought I was worth bringing up, Scott Booker, who's

934
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: the reported safeties coach secondary coach. I'm not exactly sure

935
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: what his title is going to be, but Scott Booker

936
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: was in Tennessee with Mike Rabel and Terrell Williams for

937
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: basically the whole time. I believe that those guys were there.

938
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: And I look at Scott Booker, who was with Buffalo

939
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: last year by the way, coaching up their nickel corners

940
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: and their secondary He to me is tying now together

941
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the front end and the back end. We talked about

942
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: this a little bit with Terrell Williams. Terrell Williams a

943
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: front seven guy, He's a defensive line guy. Those types

944
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: of guys don't usually get super involved in coverage and

945
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: things like that. It looks to me like Scott Booker

946
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: is being brought in to basically be the pass game

947
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: coordinator of the defense, and then you're gonna have Terrell

948
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Williams running the front seven and running the pressures and

949
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: things like that. So those two guys working together on

950
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: marrying back end and front end, you know, coverage with

951
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: rush and things like that, I think is your brain

952
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: trust a lot with Rabel on the defensive side of

953
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: the ball. So I think Scott Booker is an important

954
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: higher I think that's a name we should all know

955
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: in terms of essentially, I wouldn't be surprised if he.

956
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I think he had a senior assistant title in Buffalo,

957
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a pretty

958
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: high title here once it gets announced.

959
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that sets up.

960
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: I like his experience working with multiple spots in the

961
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: secondary because they have so many guys in that secondary

962
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: that play multiple positions. I think he's the kind of

963
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: guy that can kind of maximize they need to add,

964
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: but the personnel that they have, I think he's a

965
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: good fit for the personnel that they have. And yeah,

966
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: you have that through line of experience from Rabel to

967
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: Williams to Booker and everybody should be on the same

968
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: page day one.

969
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: It's cool that side of the ball is getting the

970
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: band back together from Tennessee essentially in more or less,

971
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good thing for the Patriots.

972
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: I think Vrabel's gonna now be able to truly run

973
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: his defense. It's gonna be a lot like what we saw,

974
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: i'm sure from the Titans over the years when he

975
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: was there, and he's got his guys, Unlike on offense,

976
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: where it's a little bit more of a mixed bag

977
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: of who experiences and places that people have been in

978
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: things like that. I'm not overly concerned about that part

979
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: of it from the offensive side, but it is worth noting.

980
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: I think that that there is a little bit more

981
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: of a mixture there. Defensively, this is Rabels guys, this

982
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: is his staff on that side.

983
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: Which I'll go back to what I say when they

984
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: hired Williams, I wanted to be Mike Rabel's defense. Yeah.

985
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: It's not to take anything away from Williams, like he's

986
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: a good coach, but at the end of the day,

987
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: this was one of the things with girod Mayo we

988
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: talked about when when it got rough, you know, you

989
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: hired Drod Mayo in theory because the job he did

990
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. Would he step

991
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: in and correct the ship that's we want a defensive

992
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: coach to do. He never did it. Rabel seems like

993
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: he's just going to be hands on with it from

994
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: day one, and then that's sets up Josh McDaniels to

995
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: run the offense. And I think this is essentially the

996
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: setup they wanted last year. But now they have guys

997
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: who have done it, yeah, and it's just gonna make

998
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: it a whole lot easier.

999
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Last thing on the coaching staff, Greg Madard had something

1000
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: out there as well about the I think it was

1001
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Greg that Rabel could call plays on defense, and I'm

1002
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: interested in that element of it because Terrell Williams has

1003
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: never called plays at least that I know of, on

1004
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Rabel has obviously at

1005
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: Ohio State and in Houston as their defensive coordinator. How

1006
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: would you feel of Rabel was the primary play caller?

1007
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: Do you like that? Do you like the CEO approach?

1008
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Because you just brought it up, and I think it's

1009
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: a great point. Girod Mayo never took ownership of that defense.

1010
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: He never took ownership. Last year, we pounded the table

1011
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: on this show early, early, early, early, like first month

1012
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: of the season. Why isn't Girod calling the defense? Why

1013
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: isn't Girod calling the defense? Now? Rabel has that experience

1014
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: to tap into as a former head coach to be

1015
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: the CEO. He certainly has more chops and experience in

1016
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: that regard to pull it off in that respect. But

1017
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: you look at the way that a lot of these

1018
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: models are working now. There's a lot of that going

1019
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: on where even if you're a defensive guy, you're a

1020
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: defensive guy calling your defense and you have the Josh

1021
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: McDaniels head coach offense, calling the offense and running the

1022
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: show on offense. How would you feel of Rabel's calling

1023
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: the defense.

1024
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. I don't know a problem

1025
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: with Like I said, I wanted to be his defense,

1026
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: so that's definitely him putting his mark on it. I

1027
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: wonder if it's a situation where maybe he does that early. Yeah,

1028
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: and maybe eventually Terrell Williams, you know, and when I

1029
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: say eventually, I mean over the course of a couple

1030
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: of years. Terrell Williams or somebody else is kind of

1031
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: groomed to that, so verybel once this thing's really built out,

1032
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: can focus more on the play to play of it,

1033
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: and you know, on both sides of the ball, but

1034
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: to get it started, I have no problem with it.

1035
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would actually entertain it. I think there's a

1036
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: lot to be said about having experience as a play caller.

1037
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a tough job, and I think it's

1038
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: a unique job in this sport that not everybody is ready.

1039
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: For, especially on defense.

1040
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: It's very unique.

1041
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Actually think it it might be harder to call defensive

1042
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: plays and offensive place Well, you're reacting right exactly offensive

1043
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: plays like you're setting the tone calling defensive plays is

1044
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: almost purely reactionary.

1045
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of what's cool about colin plays early

1046
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: on in games is that most of the time the

1047
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: offense the script like the opening script. A lot of

1048
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: people always chalk the opening script up to like, what

1049
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: are the best game plan plays that you have to

1050
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: get off to a fast start, And that's certainly an

1051
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: element of it. But a lot of the opening script

1052
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: from the offensive standpoint is information gathering of how the

1053
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: defense is gonna it's gonna handle things. So if we

1054
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: show this formation, if we show this motion, if we

1055
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: show this look, how is a defense gonna cover that?

1056
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: How are they gonna react to that? And if they react,

1057
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: if they do A, then do we have what's B? Right,

1058
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: do we have a counter to that? Or if they

1059
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: do B, can we counter with A? And so coordinators,

1060
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: good offensive play callers will call plays early on in games,

1061
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: and every play that you want you call, you want

1062
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: to work. Like I'm not saying that they're calling plays

1063
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: to have them not work, but a lot of coordinators

1064
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: will call plays early on in games and it might

1065
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily go off great, right, it might not necessarily

1066
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: be a great play, And to the fan, you might say, well,

1067
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: why the heck did they call that play? But they

1068
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: might have called that play early in the game just

1069
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: to see what the defense was going to do and

1070
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: how they were going to defend it so that they

1071
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: could call a compliment to it later on. And that's

1072
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: what you get into that chess match, and defensively that

1073
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: that can be difficult. You know, you're reacting a lot

1074
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: to defense. On defense, to personnel grouping formation, and then

1075
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: obviously play design and on offense, you're kind of dictating

1076
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: those terms, right, all right, anything else on the coaching

1077
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: staff stand out to you, and that's pretty much.

1078
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: I just want to see who that other wide receivers coaches.

1079
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that that would be good for them,

1080
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: if they can hire a true technique assistant offensive assistant

1081
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: to Todd Downing. I'm trying to get this the.

1082
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not so easy, is it. Huh? The freaking

1083
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: works not so easy to answer?

1084
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's not my fault. I don't have a mouse.

1085
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Marine can pull up the calls for us,

1086
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: because this thing is not working. Apparently, is it turned on?

1087
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: I can't hear you.

1088
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: Is it turned on?

1089
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: Yes? I flipped the switch the other way too, to

1090
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: see if it will turn on that way, and hello, Hello,

1091
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: can you pull them up and we'll figure out the moss. Patty?

1092
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: I pull up, Patty. What's up, Patty? How are we doing.

1093
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 5: Good?

1094
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 6: How you guys doing this? Afternoon? I been? I get

1095
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 6: a task for you. Okay, you have to convince the

1096
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 6: rest of the TU guys that will Cable is a

1097
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 6: good pick.

1098
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: At number four.

1099
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be difficult, Patty.

1100
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 6: I know, but just from my perspective, I mean I

1101
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 6: don't know who's going to be there. I don't know

1102
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 6: who we're getting in free agency. I mean this this

1103
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 6: whole thing is hung up on or contingent upon, like

1104
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 6: what we do in free agency. But I think, uh,

1105
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 6: you know, the line's bed's so bad. I think you

1106
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: gotta do the what is it the draft one? Draft one?

1107
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, our company slogan.

1108
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 6: But also like what I when I failed to stay

1109
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 6: last week, when I called it the PEU was like

1110
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: what Jeremiah said? What he is right up on him?

1111
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 6: Like there's I don't think there's another guy, like another

1112
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 6: national draft guy that's out there whose opinion I respect

1113
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 6: more than the Jeremiah's you guys obviously too, but you

1114
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 6: guys aren't really national guys. But I really just wanted

1115
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 6: to see what you guys thought of were really Alex,

1116
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 6: because everdon I know, you kind of went over thoroughly

1117
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 6: which thought of Will Campbell if he measures out you

1118
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 6: want him, And That's kind of where I'm at right

1119
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 6: now to I just wanted to get Alex's perspective on

1120
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 6: him and just.

1121
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 7: What would be.

1122
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: Probably his biggest drink playing in this offense, and what

1123
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 6: would be his biggest weakness. And I'll take it off there, guys.

1124
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Thanks, Thanks, I'm.

1125
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 6: Picking the I'm picking the Eagles to win thirty one

1126
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 6: to twenty.

1127
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, nice, Well, I ended on a prediction of

1128
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Thanks for the call of Patty. So

1129
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, I've gone back and forth with Will Campbell. Yeah,

1130
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be consistent. I'm starting to really believe

1131
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: in Will Campbell as an option for the Patriots, not

1132
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: that I didn't before, but I'm trying to be consistent

1133
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: this year with it. And the main thing that I

1134
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: look at with Will Campbell that would give me any

1135
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: concern about playing tackle is that he does have a

1136
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: tendency to overshoot his landmark in his passet and then

1137
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: open up the inside. We see that a lot with

1138
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: like inside counters getting to him and giving up that leverage.

1139
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: But how much of that is coachable? How much of

1140
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: that is him overcompensating for the lack of length and

1141
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: him having to get out to those poles?

1142
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: How much of that is having a quarterback that has

1143
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: zero consistency your pocketbus?

1144
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Right? Those are the high level questions that people that

1145
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: are more nuanced with offensive line play than me need

1146
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: to answer in this organization, Right, how much of is

1147
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: that coachable? Is that correctable? Is that compensation for lack

1148
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: of length? That's where the lack of length, to me

1149
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: shows up with Will Campbell. I don't see a big

1150
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: issue with him in terms of like establishing first contact

1151
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: and things like that being a major concern. I don't

1152
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: see that with his film. What I see is is

1153
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: that he gets out of his set aggressively, overcompensates, and

1154
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: then gets beat to the inside by those twitched up

1155
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: pressures that he's going to see at this level. There's

1156
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: the one time that Kyle Kinnard got him in that

1157
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: South Carolina game was with a little crossover to the inside,

1158
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: So that that's an element that if you wanted to

1159
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: be anti Will Campbell, that you'd have to point to.

1160
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: But there's so many pros with his athleticism and his

1161
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: makeup that I feel like if it's if it's correctable,

1162
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: if it's coachable, then it will get corrected and fixed.

1163
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: And this isn't a guy that is like proportionally small.

1164
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: Right right right, Like yesterday, not to cut you off, yesterday,

1165
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: Paul got under my skin as he normally does, because

1166
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: he brought up Isaiah Win, and I'm like, this is

1167
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: a totally Noah.

1168
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Isaiah Win was a guard in college.

1169
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win was tiny by by NFL standards, inside, outside, whatever.

1170
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win was a small human handle six six three

1171
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: twenty yeah, something like that.

1172
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: So no, he like he's big, he's powerful, He's so

1173
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 2: advanced technically for his age, which, to your point, Evan,

1174
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: if that issue is coachable, this is a guy that

1175
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: can take coaching. This is a guy that knows how

1176
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: to improve his game. You mentioned that Kyle Gnard move

1177
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: that beat him in the South Carolina game. That was

1178
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: I remember for his first play, but his first drive,

1179
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: he comes back and he adjusts and he handles that

1180
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: move three or four more times later in that game.

1181
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: He is a quick learner, which you want at that position.

1182
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: So does he come without faults? No? But if I

1183
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: were to tell you right now, Will Campbell's arms are

1184
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: thirty three quarter inches and you're sprinting that card up

1185
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: at four, I don't even know you're trading down. You're

1186
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: sprinting that card up at four. We'll see what the

1187
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: number is. If if he comes in at thirty two

1188
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: and a half, okay, we'll have another conversation. I would

1189
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: even say, like the tough one. So this is what

1190
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: it's gonna because, is gonna be anoy thirty two and

1191
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: seven eighths.

1192
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in two. If you're if you're getting

1193
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: all caught up on one eighth of an inch of

1194
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: arm length and you're missing the plot, it's.

1195
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: It's Rashawn Slater, right. It was like it was thirty

1196
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: four inches for years. Yeah, and then Rashaun Slater with

1197
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: thirty four inch arms came in and was great, and

1198
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: then all the all the people who just stick to

1199
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: the spreadsheet, well, oh no, it was always thirty three.

1200
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 2: There was just never anybody good enough and if Will

1201
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: Campbell's thirty two and seven eighths and he comes in,

1202
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: you'll hear a bunch of people saying, oh no, it

1203
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: was always thirty two and a half. There was just

1204
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: never anybody good enough. So this team needs a left tackle.

1205
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't care where he would have ranked in last

1206
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: year's draft. I don't care, you know the standing of

1207
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: these other guys. Look, Abdull Carter's not gonna be on

1208
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: the board. Yeah, If Abdul Carter's on the board, it's

1209
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: probably one guy take ahead of Campbell, Travis Hunter two.

1210
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: But I don't think either of them are gonna be

1211
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: on the board. I think it's gonna be one quarterback,

1212
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: Hunter and Carter or Hunter Carter and maybe Mason Graham, Yeah,

1213
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: or maybe Ted McMillan. So this team needs a left tackle.

1214
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: They need a left tackle. You know my little spiel

1215
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: that I like to give here. We've covered the two

1216
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: of us. This is our eighth off season. We have

1217
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: never once done an off season, and don't don't focus

1218
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: on that part. We have never once done and off.

1219
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: The first show we ever did together.

1220
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it was, Do you remember what

1221
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: it was? It was the sixteen draft.

1222
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: No, it was nos later that it was reacting to

1223
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 2: the Isaiah Win Draft.

1224
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay, literally the first show we did I was living

1225
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: in New York at the time.

1226
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: The first show we did together back in the day

1227
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: for ce L and Hass was hoping that the Patriots

1228
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 2: had found their left tackle for the next ten years.

1229
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: Here we are eight years later, and we are that

1230
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: guy was not the answer, and nobody since has been

1231
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: the answer. They need to fill this spot. Will Campbell

1232
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: is a quarter to a half an inch away from

1233
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: being a franchise left tackle. And there's no assuming Carters

1234
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: off the board, assuming Hunter off the board, there is

1235
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: no other clear cut player that you're taking him over.

1236
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: I think he has to be the answer, assuming his

1237
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: arms checkout.

1238
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: I have no notes like I totally agree. I I

1239
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: just feel like in this draft, in particular, you're looking

1240
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: to solve problems. Right. You have major problems on the

1241
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: offensive line. You have major problems. You could argue in

1242
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: terms of wide receiver and defensive line help as well,

1243
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: but nothing is more painstakingly obvious than the need on

1244
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: the offensive line. And you have a guy in Will Campbell,

1245
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: And I know people don't want to hear this but

1246
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it anyway. He's gonna be a great

1247
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I don't even down, but he's gonna be great.

1248
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: It's just giving. I know, the worst case. Now he's

1249
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: a guard, but he's.

1250
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Gonna make the line better no matter where he plays.

1251
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: He really is and people, So you're gonna take a

1252
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: guard at four it I know you create. You started

1253
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: it with all these people about the anti guard different look.

1254
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: That would That was what we were talking about.

1255
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: It's it's so easy in this draft to knock down

1256
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: any potential pick because it's not a great class. And

1257
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: there are legitimate arguments against Will Campbell. There are legitimate

1258
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: arguments against Tet McMillan. There are legitimate arguments against Calvin Banks.

1259
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: There are legitimate arguments against Travis Hunter, against Abdull Carter,

1260
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: against Mason Graham, a missing one. Who am I missing?

1261
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: Will Johnson, any of them? I think with somebody else

1262
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: any there's legitimate arguments against all these guys. And we did.

1263
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: This was a couple months ago. We were texting as

1264
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: you were kind of getting familiar with the top of

1265
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: the class, and you know, you're talking about Will Carter's

1266
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: arms and Kevin Bank, Kelvin Banks, Power and Teed McMillan's

1267
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: speed blah blah blah. And it's like I think I

1268
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: said to you, they have to take somebody. You can't

1269
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: just say no, thanks, we'll take you know, we'll pick

1270
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: fourth overall next year. Instead.

1271
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice?

1272
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: Right, all right, so you want to just trade the

1273
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: pick for a future for like, no, no, you you.

1274
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear the idea that, well, you

1275
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: know this is where these guys would have ranked this year.

1276
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: Well look at them in next year's clut You didn't

1277
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: have the fourth overall pick. Last year, you don't have

1278
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: the fourth. Maybe you will, but for now, you don't

1279
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: have the fourth overall pick. Next year, you have the

1280
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick in this draft. To say, oh, well,

1281
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, none of these guys are worth a fourth

1282
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: overall pick in twenty twenty four or in twenty twenty one,

1283
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: or in twenty twenty six or in twenty twenty six.

1284
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: That's not the draft they're in.

1285
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: No one's gets them so funny because it's it's annoying.

1286
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: I don't it's such a lazy taste.

1287
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: So so here's my here's my not even rebuttal but

1288
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: here's my response to that, because I do I have

1289
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: done that.

1290
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: You can only take the players that are on the board.

1291
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: So if I'm only if I can only take the

1292
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: players on the board, because I can, that's the only option. Like, look,

1293
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm hitting it down the fairway, right, That's what I'm doing.

1294
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: And my point about bringing up Will Campbell and that

1295
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be good and no matter where he plays,

1296
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: is that I don't I don't see a bust like.

1297
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't see a bust factor with him where they're

1298
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: going to be put in a situation where in an

1299
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: admittedly down year of a draft, especially at the top,

1300
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: and in a year where there isn't those types of

1301
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: blue chip talents, the safest thing to do is to

1302
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: just take the guy that's hitting it right down the fairway, right.

1303
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: So I look at Will Campbell and I think he's

1304
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hit it down the fairway no

1305
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 1: matter where you end up playing him on the offensive line.

1306
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say the same thing about

1307
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: some of the other guys that we've tossed around at

1308
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: number four, Carter and Hunter aside.

1309
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: But like for they even have their questions.

1310
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any questions about those two. But

1311
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: those two aside Mason Graham. I know he's kind of

1312
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: getting a lot of buzz right now on Patch Twitter,

1313
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: like he's the popular guy right now. My biggest concern

1314
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: with Mason Graham concerns I have two. One is I'm

1315
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: not as high on Mason Graham as a run player

1316
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: as everybody else is. I think he makes plays against

1317
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: the run, and he flashes against the run, But if

1318
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask him to consistently hold the point of attack,

1319
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: take on double teams, and play a three down role,

1320
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily watch him do that consistently with his

1321
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: pad level and with his ability to anchor in the trenches.

1322
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he's an all purpose player,

1323
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: like I don't know if he's an every down player. Now,

1324
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe in their defense that they're gonna go to with Rabel,

1325
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna be more four down and be more aggressive.

1326
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: He will be. But the comparison that I keep making

1327
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: with him and I is it Fisk or Fisky. This

1328
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: is gonna drive me up. But Braiden, I'm gonna say

1329
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: Fisk because Deuson Paul made fun of me yesterday. Marine

1330
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: and said that I say it wrong. So I'm gonna

1331
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: say Braden Fisk with the Los Angeles Rams, who came

1332
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: in this year with the Rams and was one of

1333
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: the most prolific, efficient interior pass rushers in the NFL

1334
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: as a rookie, just excellent rushing the passer as a rookie.

1335
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: But he's not a run player, at least not yet.

1336
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: Like he's not consistently good against the run. Same thing

1337
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: with Christian Barmore, like it took him a few years

1338
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: to develop as a run player as well. Mason Graham.

1339
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: That element of it worries me a little bit. The

1340
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: second element that worries me a little bit with Mason

1341
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: Graham is more big picture, and I think we're in

1342
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: agreement on this, the value add of adding another interior

1343
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: pass rusher who is more disruptor than he is production, right,

1344
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: Like who's getting the quarterback on the ground. The interior pressure,

1345
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: I get it, Hurt Brady. We hear it all the time.

1346
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: Pressure at guy's feet, pressure up the middle, all those

1347
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: types of things. I'm not saying it has no value,

1348
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: but if you're building your team and you're building your

1349
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: defense around two interior pass rushers in Christian Barmore and

1350
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: Mason Graham. If you go out in free agency, you

1351
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: absolutely now need to find the finisher. You need to

1352
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: find the Matthew Judon, the guy that's actually gonna have

1353
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: the double digit sax season. Maybe that's Josh Sweat. I

1354
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe that guy exists. But if Mason

1355
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: Graham is your plan at four, and this is why

1356
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: everything connects from free agency to the draft, if that's

1357
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: your plan is that you're gonna build with two inside

1358
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna push the middle of the pocket,

1359
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: and that's how you're gonna build out this defensive front,

1360
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: then you have to have somebody on the edge that's

1361
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna finish the play. And so that means going out

1362
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: in free agency and finding that guy through free agency.

1363
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree with you on all that. But again,

1364
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: just to get back to the point, like we can

1365
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: nitpick all these guys and we're gonna do it. That's

1366
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: what we do. But they got to take somebody. They

1367
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: can't unless you want them to trade down so far

1368
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: that they add a future first, like or like a

1369
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: valuable future first, something like that, which they need talent now,

1370
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: they can't do another year I'm okay with them doing

1371
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: that moving down to like fifteen sixteen.

1372
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay with them doing that.

1373
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: And you need players, you need to start building this

1374
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: thing up.

1375
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, but how's that?

1376
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 7: Like?

1377
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: You you are building this.

1378
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: Thing like I because they need to turn it around

1379
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 2: now they can't do why?

1380
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: Like what what's the rush?

1381
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: Like?

1382
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: Is there a huge drop off between in this draft

1383
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: who you're gonna get in foreign who you're gonna get

1384
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: at twelve?

1385
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: I think Abdul Carter or it's Will Campbell. Yes, they're

1386
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: absolutely sure.

1387
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm not making that trade ahead of the draft

1388
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: because I want I want to see how the board

1389
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: shakes out.

1390
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: What's the difference between Campbell and Ursery?

1391
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: But but you're not talking about Ersery at twelve. If

1392
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: you're going down to twelve, you're still in range for

1393
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: a Calvin Banks, you're still in range.

1394
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: You Thinkvin Kelvin Banks gets out of top ten?

1395
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: I think you will. I I've kind of gotten when

1396
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: I was down at the Senior Bowl. I I talked

1397
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,479
Speaker 1: to some people down there that know way more about

1398
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: offensive line play than me, and I I think that

1399
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: we and and and the outside might be a little

1400
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: bit higher on Calvin Banks.

1401
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: I just think, look, they need impact players. Are those

1402
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: players are gonna get at twelve good prospects? Yes? Are

1403
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: they impact players?

1404
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 4: No?

1405
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: It's not this draft depending on way to board falls like,

1406
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: is a guy at four going to be an impact player?

1407
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: I think Campbell can be, yes, Carter obviously can be,

1408
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: Hunter can be. Like, it's not you got to take somebody.

1409
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: You have to take somebody and they can't do another year.

1410
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't take anybody. I'm just saying that

1411
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm not in a hue.

1412
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: So okay, But to your point, is some if it's

1413
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: not a quarterback. If it's a quarterback, that's different. If

1414
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: there's a team down there that wants a quarterback and

1415
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: it's going to give you multiple future first fine, is

1416
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: a team going to give you the package you would

1417
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: want to move down outside of.

1418
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: The top ten, I don't know.

1419
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: And that's a fairst draft, right, You're not going to

1420
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: get it, so you can't. It's as you know the

1421
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: Coley micktweet that I love. You can't tell Roger Goodell

1422
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: you're drafting Jeremiah Smith fourth overall and tell them to

1423
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: meet you in the parking lot right, you got to

1424
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: take somebody in this draft, and this is a team

1425
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: that needs impact players. There's not that many of them

1426
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: in this class.

1427
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 1: I just wonder why not. I'm not in any huge rush,

1428
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: and I understand that we're all starving to see a good.

1429
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: They need to They need to be a little urgent.

1430
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: They need they why Like they just hired Mike Vrabel

1431
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: Drake Mayson the year two like what they what?

1432
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: They've made the playoffs once in the last five years.

1433
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: They haven't won a playoff game since February twenty nineteen.

1434
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: Sure, but they all wasn't built in a day. You're

1435
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: not gonna all.

1436
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 6: I know it was.

1437
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they need to contend for Super

1438
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: Bowl this year, but they need to win more than

1439
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: four games.

1440
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: Of course, they need to win more than four games.

1441
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna win more than four games,

1442
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: just because Rabel's is a much better coach than girod Mayo. Like,

1443
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get there organically.

1444
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: The roster needs significant improvements.

1445
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: If they want to be if they want to be frisky,

1446
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: then the roster needs significant improvements. They just want to

1447
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: win more than four games.

1448
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: I think they need to be closer to that frisky category.

1449
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: Sure, I hear that, but they're not firing Rabele after

1450
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: one year.

1451
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: I know they're I know, I know, but that shouldn't

1452
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: mean complacency.

1453
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying complacency. I just I look at this

1454
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: draft and it's not a strong draft at the top.

1455
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what the big drop off is there

1456
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: necessarily if Hunter and can't and Abdul Carter off the

1457
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: board in the first three picks, Like, is there a

1458
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: huge drop off from four to twelve, from four to eight,

1459
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: from four to ten, Like, I'm not advocating for them

1460
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: to go down to twenty five.

1461
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: Are you gonna get the pick that justifies it? Are

1462
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: you gonna get the return that justifies it for a

1463
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: team that needs premium positions in the reality like you're

1464
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: in You're in a position right now to draft a

1465
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: left tackle who is a premium prospect at that position,

1466
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: right Yeah, And like you said, they're gonna win more

1467
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: games this year. Just Mike Rabel's better there. You know,

1468
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're gonna make some mosing free agency

1469
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 2: things like that. You you punt on that position again,

1470
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be at the top of the draft

1471
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: to draft.

1472
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: If not, why do you why are you automatically punting

1473
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: on that position? Again?

1474
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: Who else are you getting?

1475
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: Like there's not you can go into free agency and

1476
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley's going back. You can sign like an Aleric Jackson,

1477
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: who's a solid NFL left tackle. Is he a stud?

1478
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: Is he gonna come in here and be a top

1479
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: five left tackle in the league. No, but he's gonna

1480
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: be a service NFL f tackle.

1481
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 2: And I just then they they have to get that guy,

1482
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: like you you understand.

1483
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying bring Venerian lowback.

1484
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: There's there's gonna be one, maybe two left tackles in freegency, right,

1485
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Jackson and Robinson. Yeah, and that's it.

1486
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: Like you can't with on those guys. Then if if

1487
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: that's and I guess the orders backwards because freedencies first,

1488
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: but like you can't leave that position unaddressed. And by unaddressed,

1489
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: I mean like not all right, Here's three guys who

1490
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: are all fringe starters, and you know one of them

1491
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: is moving over from right tackle and one of them

1492
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: is really a guard, and you know maybe no, no,

1493
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: no one's saying a top contract, top pick.

1494
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: Why can't they go out and sign alerc Jackson If

1495
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: they don't love any of these times, right, they also

1496
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: any of the options at four? Like, I don't understand

1497
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: why you're you're so anti trading down, Like I think

1498
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: this is a team that needs as many bites at

1499
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: the Apple.

1500
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm not anti trading down. I'm not and I've said that,

1501
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: like they need more than one good player. I think

1502
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: moving so far down in a weaker draft, like you

1503
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 2: you still need you have to get the return that

1504
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: makes that worth it.

1505
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: Sure, but I think the rebuttal to that is is.

1506
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: That I can't believe I talked myself into being the

1507
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: anti trade down guy.

1508
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: Well, but the real thing in your point of who

1509
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: what is a team trading up for? Is a fair right? Okay,

1510
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: But let's just operate in a world where let's say

1511
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: it goes Carter Hunter and then the quarterbacks start, right,

1512
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: and so a team is looking is sitting there at four,

1513
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: The Vegas Raiders are sitting there at four, you know,

1514
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: looking at the patents on the clock at four, and

1515
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they get youa door Sanders,

1516
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: All right, then, okay, or let's let's let's push it

1517
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: back just a little bit, just for the argument's sake. Right,

1518
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Let's say Saint set nine, the Saints at nine call

1519
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: up and say we're not We've got it's gone far enough.

1520
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: We're not taking any more risks, because I do think

1521
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: there's a really good chance that that cam ward picks

1522
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: up a lot of steam. Now, could it end up

1523
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: being twenty twenty two all over again, where Malik Willis

1524
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: is looked at as a top five pick until a

1525
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: day before the draft like that, that's absolutely possible. But

1526
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of love right now for cam Warden

1527
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: being a top five pick in this draft. So if

1528
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: you do get you're probably not gonna get like the

1529
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: RG three trade. It's going to be a discounted version

1530
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: of that. But if you get that kind of trade package,

1531
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: then you go from four to nine and a draft

1532
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: that I believe is deeper than it is top heavy,

1533
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a great draft in general.

1534
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: But if there's a strength of the draft, it's in

1535
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: the depth, Like it's in the fact that there is

1536
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: a decent run of players I would say, from like

1537
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: fifteen to sixty or so that are all kind of

1538
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: comparable and all pretty good in certain ways. I would

1539
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: just much rather do that and try to get a

1540
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: pick next year and have all this AMMO to move

1541
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: around or to trade the one of the picks for

1542
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: a player.

1543
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: So I guess what pick, Like, are you getting the

1544
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 2: Saint's future first? Then I'm in if it's the future.

1545
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: Second, if you're trading down in there, take it's a

1546
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 1: quarterback pick, you're trading a quarterback pick, then you're expecting

1547
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: to get a future.

1548
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: So I would say so if it's you know, like,

1549
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: if it's all right, we're gonna give you nine this

1550
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: year second and future second, No, that's not worth the drop.

1551
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: I just I think the idea that and then at

1552
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: nine people are gonna have the same complaint. This was

1553
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: more my point, right. It wasn't because I'm not against

1554
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: trading down. I'm not. Let me be clear, I'm not.

1555
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm just said I'm gonna be clear I'm not. But

1556
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 2: you can't trade down and then complain they got the

1557
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: lesser player. Like there, it was more you have to pick.

1558
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: I kind of threw that comment in and I didn't

1559
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: think it out right. There are people who were just

1560
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: like not gonna be hat you did. There are people

1561
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: who are not gonna be happy with whoever they take

1562
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 2: in the first round because blah, bad draft.

1563
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 7: Right.

1564
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was more so saying like, you can't just say, no,

1565
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: we're not gonna pick this year, just book mark us

1566
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: for the fourth, fourth overall pick and we'll make it

1567
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: next year.

1568
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 1: When the draft patter, why like, why are you defaulting

1569
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: to that? Nobody is saying that they're not gonna make

1570
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: a I.

1571
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: Know they're not saying that, but I feel like that's like,

1572
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: deep down, people are in this pretzel of they don't

1573
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: like any of the players, so they're just not gonna

1574
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 2: be happy with whoever they take, and they're just gonna

1575
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: call it a bad pick whoever they take, because they're

1576
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna say he's not a prospect worthy of the fourth

1577
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: overall pick. Is that is the guy you take it

1578
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: nine gonna be worthy? And I think this is a

1579
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: dumb thing to do because everybody's in different drafts, but

1580
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 2: to use your kind of benchmarks, is the guy you

1581
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 2: take at ten gonna be worthy? Or the guy you

1582
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: take it nine gonna be worthy of the ninth pick

1583
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: in this generic NFL draft that people like to talk. No,

1584
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily, but so is there.

1585
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: Some more comfortable to.

1586
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 2: Is there something to be said, Well, if I'm not

1587
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: gonna get the guy who's worth the value of the pick,

1588
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: I'd rather pick lower and get future assets. That's where

1589
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, fine, if that's what you want to do,

1590
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 2: trade down. But to say, well, you can't take Will

1591
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 2: Campbell at four because he wouldn't have gone fourth overall

1592
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: last year, or you can't it take at nine because

1593
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have gone ninth last.

1594
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: Year, But that's a thousand either or, right, Like, would

1595
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: you rather so take Ted McMillan at nine, but then

1596
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: you have a future first round pick, another midday pick.

1597
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: So sure if you if you want to, and this

1598
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: is where this is where I framed it poorly. Yeah,

1599
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: that either or is fine, and we're gonna spend a

1600
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: lot of time on that on the next four months.

1601
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: If you're just gonna tell me individual prospects aren't the

1602
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: Patriots shouldn't take them in the first round because they're

1603
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 2: not actually slated for that spot in this generic universal draft,

1604
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: Well then then you're not gonna be able to Then

1605
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: then all right, let the clock run out like the

1606
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 2: Vikings did, and just wait, I guess just wait until

1607
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: you're I would just.

1608
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: Feel I would feel a lot more comfortable. But a

1609
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of these players taking them a little bit laer.

1610
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: That's fine. Like I feel like people think that I

1611
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: don't like Tech McMillan as a prospect. I don't hate

1612
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: Tech McMillan as a prospect. I just don't think that

1613
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't like taking him at four. So if I

1614
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: took him at nine, I'd feel a lot better about

1615
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: it because I'm taking him and I'm getting the package

1616
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: from what I traded down.

1617
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: So honestly, my ideal world, my ideal world is assuming Hunter,

1618
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: and my deal world is take at Carter. But assuming

1619
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: Hunter and Carter go in top four, you move to six,

1620
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: you get Campbell at six, and you get.

1621
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't, So it'd be a smaller package.

1622
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: It's a smaller package the one I looked at. And

1623
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, I love to do this. I go back

1624
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: and look at the pass trades and try to find

1625
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 2: what the equivalent would be. There isn't a great one

1626
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: in recent memory. The closest is the twenty eighteen trade

1627
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: when the Jets moved from five to three to get

1628
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. Yeah, and if we were there. Now, the

1629
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: Jets had two second round picks that year, which the

1630
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: Raiders don't have, so you have to kind of get creative.

1631
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: But you also have to consider the level of prospect

1632
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: that Donald was vers Sanders, and that there were other

1633
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: quarterbacks on the board the closest equivalent to me. You

1634
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: go from four to six, you get thirty eight, and

1635
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: you get the Raiders future seconds. So you don't get

1636
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: the future first in this one. You're only moving down

1637
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 2: too spots. But the beauty of that trade is you

1638
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: now have thirty seven and thirty eight. You now have

1639
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: two seconds and two two thirds. I'm gonna package one

1640
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 2: of the seconds, thirty seven or thirty eight. I'm gonna

1641
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: package that with one of the thirds, and I'm gonna

1642
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: move up into the into the twenties. And that's the

1643
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 2: ideal scenario for me. Now, who can you still get

1644
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 2: Campbell at six? That would really put the bow on it.

1645
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 2: If not, now it becomes another conversation. Maybe you trade

1646
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: down again. So I'm not anti trading down, but just

1647
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: understand they're gonna take somebody in the first round. You

1648
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: said he didn't probably gonna be slotted over where they

1649
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: were habit take somebody at four, and I'll have to

1650
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: take somebody at four me, I have to take somebody

1651
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: in the point is making you don't trade Like, Let's

1652
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: say somebody came to you. I guess here's the hypothetical

1653
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: that these people might like, and this is we're getting

1654
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: nuts here. Let's say, and I hate when I do that,

1655
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: such a pretzels. Well, no, because I say I say

1656
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: these people, and then people on Twitter think I'm talking

1657
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 2: about them.

1658
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: You people.

1659
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: Let's say, who's all right, the Saints at nines perfect example,

1660
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 2: or no, who's a quarterback team that's even lower? The Steelers?

1661
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: Where Steelers picking like eighteen nineteen something like that?

1662
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: Right, Oh god, that we're moving down. Well, no, hang on.

1663
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: Let's say the Steelers come to you and say, we're

1664
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: gonna we want to hold on to our first round pick,

1665
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: but we want four. We're going to give you our

1666
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: first round pick in the next three drafts. What do

1667
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: you do that you don't get a first round pick

1668
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 2: this year, you're picking at thirty eight, but you get

1669
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: the Steelers next three first round picks. Yes, so that

1670
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: might be the that's kind of the thing I'm talking about.

1671
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: The way I look at it and then we can

1672
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: move on because we've gotten.

1673
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, now, the other thing about I might do that too,

1674
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: But the way I.

1675
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: Look at it is that in it to go back

1676
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: to your your analogy of this generic NFL draft that

1677
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: we always talk about, I feel like this draft in

1678
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: a lot of ways is like starting at in a

1679
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: good year like last year. We're really starting at like

1680
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: four or five with the best players, right, like Abdul

1681
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: Carter would have been after the quarterbacks last year, He's

1682
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: probably like somewhere in that four to six rate into

1683
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: that draft in the competition with like a Joe Alt

1684
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: and the Milik Neighbors and all those guys. So if

1685
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: you trade down into that five to ten range, you

1686
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: are now taking a player in that range that probably

1687
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: belongs somewhere in that range because you're cutting off the

1688
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: top of the draft.

1689
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: But are they gonna go like who's going ahead of them?

1690
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: If there's nobody worth going ahead.

1691
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: Of them, well you're gonna lose out, probably on Campbell.

1692
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: Like I'm not losing any sleepover losing out on Mason Graham,

1693
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: So maybe that's just a meeting. I'm not eight, so

1694
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not losing any sleep over that. So I guess

1695
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: that that's where I'm at with that sort of Saints

1696
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: pick at nine being where I would like to be

1697
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: at because I think a lot of the times, once

1698
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: you get to nine, ten, eleven, twelve, you are talking

1699
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: about prospects that are not perfect, right, No prospects perfect,

1700
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm I'm getting at. So I

1701
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: just like the idea that a lot. I like the

1702
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: idea of trying to trade down in this draft to

1703
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: put your self in a position where I can talk

1704
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: myself into Ted McMillan at nine plus plus all the

1705
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: picks that you got in the trade down, I can

1706
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: talk myself into, you know, Will Johnson. I can talk

1707
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: myself into a lot of guys at in this draft

1708
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: that feel comfortable taking them there. Plus you get the

1709
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: package from trading down. You know Tyler Warren, Like, you know,

1710
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: is he available still at nine? I could, I would

1711
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: be down with that. I just watch them the other

1712
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Speaker 1: day at diet he was terrific. Like I I'd be

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Speaker 1: down with that. But I'm not taking Tyler Warren at four. Sure,

1714
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Speaker 1: but it might take Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Warren at nine if you get the correct package. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could be into that I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: let's get to these calls. Mike is in San Diego.

1740
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Speaker 1: What's up, Mike? Mike is still there? Mike, Mike? All right, Mike,

1741
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: call back in. Sorry for keeping you on hold for

1742
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: so long. Jesse is in Virginia, what's up? Jee?

1743
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 3: Hey guys, A little long one here, but just two

1744
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: thoughts that like your opinion on, or at least I

1745
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: think it's worth discussing. So first, this idea that we

1746
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 3: stick at four in take Travis Hunter, Okay, I'll play

1747
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 3: with it for a minute. If your plan is to

1748
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 3: put him at cornerback, because you, guys, get in the weeds.

1749
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 3: I think you can appreciate this. Look down the road.

1750
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: If you flex someone at four, you're planning on giving

1751
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: them a second contract. Are we really going to put

1752
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: two cornerbacks on with massive deals in a second contract

1753
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: when you already have Christian Gonzales I just don't think

1754
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: it's realistic, And a lot of people are saying he

1755
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 3: had the higher ceiling at corner. I just don't know

1756
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: why the Patriots would draft him and put him at

1757
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 3: corner when you already have Christian Gonzales. If you're gonna

1758
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 3: take him, you better well make him a wide receiver.

1759
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 3: And two, I like this theory of hitting it down

1760
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: the fairway finding starters in a draft that is deeper

1761
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 3: than stacked with high level talent. Let me ask you

1762
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: this question. In the scenario trading back with the Raiders,

1763
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 3: would you trade back up and take a Gray Zabel

1764
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: if I told you he was Patriot level Joe Sony

1765
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 3: where you just solved the problem the left side of

1766
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: the line with Will Campbell, who is a good Matt

1767
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 3: like comp Andoe and crazed Abel who is a good

1768
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 3: Joe Touny. Top question, what do you guys think?

1769
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Jesse, thanks for the call. Uh yeah, I mean

1770
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: that's a great start. Yeah, on your left side. I

1771
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: mean you have to really nail some things in freedom.

1772
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: So you've got to get a pass rusher, you got

1773
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: to get a receiver in the veteran market. But if

1774
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: they were to like land those two and I think

1775
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 2: offensive line is the hardest to add. And then you Yeah,

1776
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: you move down a six and then you maybe it's

1777
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: the trade I just talked about thirty seven, thirty eight,

1778
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: sixty nine, seventy seven package two of those move up

1779
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: you take Zabel at Yeah, I'd be in for that.

1780
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: He also makes an interesting point there about Hunter and

1781
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: that are you going to have two corners on big

1782
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: contracts and you know maybe the Patriots and one of

1783
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: these teams have used him as a receiver.

1784
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, for that reason. Yeah, I've I've been pretty consistent

1785
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: with Travis Hunter being a receiver. I would play him

1786
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: at receiver.

1787
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 4: I just.

1788
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: To me, it's just a value thing, it's a value

1789
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: add thing. I think he's more significant. He's going to

1790
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: move the needle more for you being a great receiver

1791
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: than he's going to be a great corner. And I

1792
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: think his receiver tape is really good. I think it's

1793
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: definitely good enough for him to play that position in

1794
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I look at it in too. The

1795
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: caller's point not necessarily worried about Christian Gonzales and all

1796
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: the contract side of it, but just like where you're

1797
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: allocating your resources, you know, and I look at wide

1798
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: receiver as a much bigger need for this team than corner.

1799
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: I look at Travis Hunter as a pretty good wide

1800
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: receiver prospect. I wouldn't necessarily I hate throwing around the

1801
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: word elite, like I think elite is thrown around a

1802
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: little bit too easily these days. But a high end

1803
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospect, let's put you that way, and I'm

1804
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: willing to play him there. And if he wants to

1805
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: play both ways, it's harder in that way. I would

1806
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: say to play him, you know, maybe you play him

1807
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:05,879
Speaker 1: third downs on defense.

1808
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't ye kind of thing.

1809
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: It's harder. I think it's harder than having him play

1810
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: full time corner and moonlight on offense, kind of like

1811
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones does. I think it's harder to do it

1812
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: the other way. But if I was Travis Hunter, and

1813
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: I've said this before, I would want to play receiver

1814
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: because it maximizes my value in terms of gaining the

1815
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: most money in the league.

1816
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't know that it does that.

1817
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Do you think it does well?

1818
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 4: So?

1819
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: In short term? Yeah, but just with his build and

1820
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: you know the Derbilly issues had in college, what's worth more?

1821
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Call it two wide receiver contracts or three cornerback contracts.

1822
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: Two wide receiver contract.

1823
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna be in the league longer as a corner.

1824
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: He's going to be if he gets if he gets

1825
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: paid twice at wide receiver, we're talking upwards of one

1826
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars.

1827
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 2: And you don't think he can get that. Corners are

1828
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: getting the cornerback.

1829
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 1: Contract sixteen eighteen somewhere around there.

1830
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 2: That's no twenty million dollars Corners, You sure.

1831
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: That might be the very top of the market, but

1832
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: there you're not gonna get five for twenty. Like you're

1833
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: not gonna get a hundred million dollar contract playing corner,

1834
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: Like maybe Patrick Surtan will, but like you'd have to

1835
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: be that good.

1836
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Well maybe I think he's that good, maybe the corner

1837
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: in the league.

1838
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, let's uh say.

1839
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey and certain or twenty four av all right,

1840
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 2: I thought it was a liar.

1841
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: Now, all right, Rob is in Virginia. What's up? Rob?

1842
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 7: Hey?

1843
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 8: Guys, can you hear me?

1844
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

1845
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 8: Hey? Starrya to uh keep going on with this with

1846
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 8: this previst hunter talk. But I've had this thought for

1847
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 8: a long time, and I was thinking, if we're gonna

1848
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 8: play him, if you know, if he if he's allowed

1849
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 8: to play both ways, why not play him as like

1850
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 8: a deep safety. I feel like you maximize his value more.

1851
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 8: You know, he's further away from the ball, you can

1852
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 8: play longer in the NFL. You know, safeties play longer

1853
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 8: traditionally than corners do. Again, if we're just talking about

1854
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 8: season to play both ways, but I haven't heard anyone

1855
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 8: ever bring that up, and I just I don't understand why. Yeah,

1856
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 8: I mean, corner obviously, you know you have a more

1857
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 8: direct impact on the game. But I mean again, if

1858
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 8: we're talking about him playing both ways, I just feel

1859
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 8: like the way to maximize both ways him on defense

1860
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 8: and offense is to put him as like a deep safety.

1861
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 8: So what do you guys think about that?

1862
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Rob. I think you hit it

1863
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: though in your own response of value to the team.

1864
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: Having a guy that shuts down his side of the

1865
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: field or goes man to man all game long, like

1866
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales does, it's just a lot more valuable. Unfortunately,

1867
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: unless you're Ed Reid right playing up top at safety

1868
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the game, you're not making an impact.

1869
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: And I understand you are in conceptually in theory as

1870
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: a help defender and all that good stuff, but you're

1871
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: not around the ball and the game.

1872
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 2: One of Hunter's best traits is his ball skills, his

1873
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: ability to win at the catch point, and then his

1874
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: closing speed. You're you're not utilizing that at safety as much,

1875
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 2: nearly as much as you are a corner.

1876
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, It's not a bad point though, in terms

1877
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: of like durability and all that. But I don't think

1878
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: there's a ton of fear in my mind in terms

1879
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 1: of attrition at corner, you know, I think it's the

1880
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: attrition part of it. For Travis Hunter comes more in

1881
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: at receiver. You know, when he goes over the middle,

1882
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: when he you know, takes the big hits as a

1883
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: ball carrier after the catch, Like, is he gonna have

1884
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: the durability to do that and then also play a

1885
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: little bit on defense? Like that's asking a lot? All right?

1886
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Don is in Philadelphia? What's up? Don?

1887
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 9: Big guys, third time caller, a long time listener here

1888
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 9: love quick question for you guys. What is your ideal

1889
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 9: off season in terms of specific players, in terms of

1890
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 9: draft and free agency. You know, in draft, including first

1891
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 9: round pick, second round pick, you could trade back up,

1892
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 9: you could trade your second round pick, and then ideally,

1893
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 9: who are you guys wanting to sign in free agency?

1894
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Don, That is a lot to

1895
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: unpack on a radio show, but I'll just throw out

1896
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: a couple of names in free agency. I mentioned Aleric

1897
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 1: Jackson already. Alec Jackson to me is a target regardless

1898
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: of what their approach to the draft is, because I

1899
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: think they need two new starting tackles, and even if

1900
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: he ends up playing on the right side, I think

1901
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: he can start on either side of the line for you,

1902
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: and so he's a starter somewhere on the offensive line.

1903
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I would look at signing him. I would definitely make

1904
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: a run of T Higgins. I think you have to.

1905
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you can be picky there. You have

1906
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: no choice.

1907
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: In my mind, what about some of the like the

1908
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 2: trade guys, like like a DK Metcalf or something gaff

1909
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: if whatever have A J. Brown's name has been thrown

1910
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: out there. I don't see why he's requesting a trade,

1911
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 2: but that's right.

1912
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I would. I would skew more towards T Higgins because

1913
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: I don't love giving up the capitol. Like I don't

1914
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: love having to give up significant draft capital in the

1915
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: spot that they're in right now. What if if it's

1916
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: a great and I like DK and you know that

1917
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: if we're talking about it being a hot like a

1918
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, then obviously you know you I'm opening it.

1919
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: What if it's what if it's the Brandon I you

1920
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 2: trade so second or fourth and call it a future pick.

1921
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather have T Higgins.

1922
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd rather have Metcalf. And then you do like

1923
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: I said, you do that trade with the Raiders, you

1924
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 2: move down from four to six, you get they have

1925
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 2: what thirty eight? So you get thirty seven with the

1926
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: from the Raiders. So now you've replaced that, You've basically

1927
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: traded DK Metcalf. You've moved down two spots in the

1928
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 2: first round to get DK Metcalf. You replace that pick

1929
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: in that trade.

1930
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: I would I mean second, second, and fourth. I would

1931
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: know it's a lot of moving parts. Like I don't

1932
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: know if we if they could actually pull something like

1933
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: that off. I guess maybe if you if you did

1934
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: all of those things, then than sure, But I don't rather.

1935
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: You know what, even without that, you're gonna get a

1936
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: bet player better than DK Metcalf thirty eight.

1937
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I would just rather pay T Higgins like, oh, you're not.

1938
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: It's Metcalf's a much better. I think Metcalf's is like

1939
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 2: a significantly better receiver.

1940
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as much better as you do.

1941
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: I think he is.

1942
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I think they're both good.

1943
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: He's been playing opposite Jamar Chase is over he.

1944
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Has been playing Tyler Lockett and JSN aren't scrubs.

1945
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: Like or not Jamar Chase. No, but they're he just

1946
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: got with against that.

1947
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: I think Higgins' injuries are overblown. I think Higgins this

1948
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: past year didn't have any long term security on his contract.

1949
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I'll give you this here. I agree with you on that,

1950
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: but I just you know I feel about this. I

1951
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: thought met Calf over Higgins for a while, and I'd

1952
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: give up the draft asset.

1953
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I I think Metcalf in a vacuum

1954
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: is probably a better player than to Higgins. But I

1955
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's so much better that I I want

1956
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: to give up all this, all the draft picks to take.

1957
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 2: Me all the draft kept picks. I'll give up thirty

1958
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: eight and what is it like I'll do that.

1959
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Seattle will do that I don't know

1960
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: what's in it for. I don't know if it's why

1961
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: they're trading Dk Metcalf. I still don't get it because he.

1962
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: Needs a new contract and they're so why build the

1963
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 2: English team? And are they like why why are they quarterback?

1964
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Why are they interested in trading one of their best

1965
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: players on their team? I just don't know.

1966
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: This is because this is what it is now, want

1967
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: to new contract?

1968
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: You request, But we haven't gotten to that point yet

1969
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: where he's like disgruntled, Like we're not at the Miles

1970
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: Garrett point.

1971
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: If I told you two weeks before Tyree Tyreek Hill

1972
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: got traded that he's getting trade, he would call me nuts.

1973
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: That happened like that.

1974
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say the whole pre agen agree. I think

1975
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill's situation was different.

1976
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: It's the whole pre agent thing. But I think I

1977
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: think Tyra Kill's situation was when when a but we've

1978
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 2: seen it across leave with all these guys. When a

1979
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 2: receiver is entering the final year in his contract, there

1980
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 2: the team's always start taking offers and the idea is

1981
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 2: he make him an offer good enough that they make

1982
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: the deal.

1983
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I I just I look at DK Metcalf and T.

1984
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Higgins in a similar tier. I think DK Metcalf might

1985
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: be higher in that tier, but I don't think that

1986
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: they're like I don't think we are comparing like Jamar

1987
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Chase to T Higgins, right, I think we're comparing more

1988
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: comparable players than that. And if it's just mister Craft's money,

1989
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: they were just cutting check, right, we felt different.

1990
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 2: I think about Higgins then, but yeah, I want I

1991
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: go for the better player.

1992
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: All right, Will is in New Jersey. What's up Will?

1993
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 2: Hey?

1994
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 7: Guys are hey?

1995
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: Good?

1996
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 5: Hey?

1997
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 7: I just got a question. While you guys are talking

1998
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 7: about receivers, what do you guys think of Trey Harris

1999
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 7: from Old Next I saw that he scared the Higgins

2000
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 7: from Iowa State. Obviously old myth wonky offense is just

2001
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 7: a sucker for a decent amount of games. But I

2002
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 7: thought he might be like a good day two day

2003
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 7: three prospect for him.

2004
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, yeah, we got an email about Trey Harris too.

2005
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: Where the email is just Trey.

2006
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Harris's and is your question marker?

2007
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Just nope, It just literally says let me find it.

2008
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: It just says that's the entire email. Trey Harris that's it.

2009
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: So a lot of Trey Harris talk here today. I

2010
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: haven't done a complete review of Trey Harris yet, I

2011
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: have seen a little bit of him. The one thing

2012
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: that I did like about his game is that he

2013
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: does separate at the top of the rat a little

2014
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: bit better than I was expecting. He's got some build

2015
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: up speed. He's not a burner per se, I would say,

2016
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: but he's got some build up speed. But his hands

2017
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: are really inconsistent. His ball tracking is really againstays. He

2018
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: had a really really bad drop in the game against

2019
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: LSU that I watched of his So I'm not anti

2020
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: Trey Harris. On day two. I think that's the perfect

2021
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: time for him. If he's the thirty eighth overall picked

2022
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: by the Patriots, I'm not going to be, you know, angry,

2023
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to be pissed at them for that.

2024
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: But that's where about where it starts for me with

2025
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: Tray Hairy.

2026
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it goes back to the development thing

2027
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 2: after that, Right, are they going to be able to

2028
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 2: develop him? Who's the wide receivers coach? You're going to

2029
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 2: hear a lot of people point out that the last

2030
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 2: time Mike Rabel took one of these big, physical outside

2031
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: receivers from Old Miss. It went pretty well for him,

2032
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 2: and I think they're very different players. I think so too,

2033
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 2: You're and hear a lot of people talk about that.

2034
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the development as a whole, just any

2035
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 2: receiver thirty eight. I kind of already said that, but

2036
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 2: Trey Harris doesn't treat.

2037
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that those two guys are very different players.

2038
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't see Trey Harris as the yak monster that

2039
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: AJ Brown is like. You know, I think that Trey

2040
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 1: Harris is more He's going to get his yards on

2041
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,480
Speaker 1: air yards. He's not going to get his yards.

2042
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 3: On A J.

2043
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: Brown viewed as that guy coming out.

2044
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, a J.

2045
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 9: Brown.

2046
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: I can never remember what A J. Brown's pre draft.

2047
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 2: Everybody was in on Metcalf. AJ Brown was the other guy.

2048
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 2: So A J.

2049
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Brown was always considered like a running back playing wide receiver.

2050
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Always very good in that way. I think a lot

2051
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: of the draft conversations with him were actually against like

2052
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry and Deebo Samuel because those members were pretty

2053
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: similar in terms of their skill sets. Obviously it did

2054
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: not go the Patriots way, but yeah, that that was

2055
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: one of them, just really quickly. And I know we

2056
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of calls and I'm going to get

2057
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to all of them on this an email Jake emailed

2058
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: in here, a very long winded email claiming that, yes,

2059
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm unfiltered. I said that I would take Will Campbell

2060
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: over Travis Hunter if Will Campbell checks out as a tackle.

2061
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that if I did. If I

2062
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: did say that, then I misspoke or something like that.

2063
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to read your whole email, Jake,

2064
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: which is very thorough. I appreciate that, because I'm just

2065
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna say that that was not the take. But I

2066
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: would take Will Campbell at four of his if his

2067
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: arms check out. But no, I have Travis Hunter and

2068
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: Abdull Carter and a tear of their own in this draft.

2069
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's get to some of these emails, because

2070
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, we got emails and we got calls, so

2071
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here. There's the other one

2072
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring up. Oh man, all right,

2073
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: So this person emailed and about Todd Downing. He said,

2074
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: probably my least favorite higher of this is Todd Downing

2075
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: and how hard this system is to coach wide receivers.

2076
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: We went over that a little bit earlier on in

2077
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the show. I think we're we're both an agreement. I'm not.

2078
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: We're not saying that. I think it's gonna be an

2079
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible hire necessarily, but if we had to pick,

2080
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: if I had to pick, I would say that was

2081
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: my least favorite higher of this class. All right, we've

2082
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: heard a lot of this as well. I'm sure you

2083
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: have as well, about trading Joe Milton and what the

2084
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: Patriots could potentially get for Joe Milton. Where do you

2085
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: stand on that? Do you see them shopping Joe Milton?

2086
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: You know what's your temperature on that?

2087
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be in a rush to do it.

2088
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: I look, there's teams that want quarterbacks, and they have

2089
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 2: their rankings, and you know, Sam Darnold's going to be

2090
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 2: out there, we think, and Kirk Cousins might get traded

2091
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 2: from Atlanta, and you got the guys in the drafts

2092
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: and all that and slowly, but there's gonna be more

2093
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 2: teams I think that want quarterbacks and quarterbacks available, so

2094
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 2: teams are gonna have to go further down that list.

2095
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: So wouldn't trade Joe Milton right away. I'd let the

2096
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 2: market kind of set itself. If somebody were to offer

2097
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: a top one hundred pick, which for Joe Milton, which

2098
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 2: might sound out landish, but given the lack of quarterbacks

2099
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 2: available this offseason, I don't think is impossible. If somebody's

2100
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: gonna give you, like a third round pick for Joe Milton,

2101
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 2: i'd probably do that. Anything less, I think i'd wait

2102
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: another year unless there's maybe like a package or somebody's

2103
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: gonna give you a bunch of picks because they.

2104
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: Need a back.

2105
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna need a backup quarterback, Like that's still a

2106
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 2: spot you need, and if you trade Joe Milton for

2107
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: what a fifth round pick, you're probably just gonna end

2108
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 2: up turning around and using that pick on a backup quarterback,

2109
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: and I don't know that that's worth it at that point.

2110
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 2: I'd hold on Milton developing for another year, and maybe

2111
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 2: he gets another showcase game or just a really good preseason,

2112
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 2: and now maybe trading him for a top one hundred

2113
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: pick becomes more realistic. So I'd continue to let you

2114
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 2: know that investment pay out, and I'd let Milton grow

2115
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 2: because they're gonna need It's not like you know if

2116
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 2: Jacobe was coming back, it would be another story. But

2117
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 2: what are you using on a back? What are you

2118
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 2: gonna use on a backup quarterback? If it's just a

2119
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 2: pick you're getting for Joe Milton, that doesn't seem worth

2120
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 2: it to me. I'd let the guy continue to grow internally.

2121
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 2: And how what we think is a good backup for

2122
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 2: Drake may So I'm not against it, but I'm not

2123
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 2: against them doing it. And I think they should take

2124
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 2: calls and consider it and all of that. But and

2125
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, I want to see Joe Milton go somewhere.

2126
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a chance to really start. But I

2127
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't be in a rush to move him either, you know,

2128
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 2: if a team's gonna get desperate. Sure, I think if

2129
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: you let this play out another year or two and

2130
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 2: Joe Milton balls out in preseason, I do think you

2131
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 2: can get a top one hundred pick for him eventually.

2132
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,799
Speaker 2: I think that's possibility. I don't think it's a guarantee,

2133
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 2: but I think it's a possibility. I would take my

2134
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 2: time and wait and see.

2135
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trading Joe Milton unless I get absolutely blown

2136
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: away by an offer. I think it's extremely valuable to

2137
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks that you think can play.

2138
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: So would you trade him for a third.

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01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: That one? I'd have to think about it. That's a

2140
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: good question.

2141
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 2: So you're maybe even a little more hesitant than I am.

2142
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna give me like the eightieth pick in the draft.

2143
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:52,560
Speaker 2: I probably do that.

2144
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 1: So I want to table this with saying that I

2145
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody's gonna give you the AIH overall.

2146
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so either. For I don't think so either.

2147
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: I think we're getting way ahead of our You said

2148
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: blown away, I have to get blown away. Yeah, so

2149
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 1: is that blown away? It's right on, that's like that,

2150
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: that's over under, like that's like right there for me.

2151
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:12,600
Speaker 2: Let me pull up the draft order, we'll see you.

2152
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, and you know you know that

2153
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: I I've sort of come over to this side of

2154
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: the street. Uh, I'm not. I'm not a big draft

2155
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: picks guy. Like I'm not as enamored as I used

2156
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: to be because we go into in depth in the

2157
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: draft as much as anyone. I've seen the Patriots. Just

2158
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: how many times are they So we're gonna take the

2159
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,919
Speaker 1: eightieth overall pick, and he's gonna turn into Chase Winovich,

2160
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: like I I'd rather I'd rather have Joe Miller. Right,

2161
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna take the eightieth overall pick, and

2162
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna be Kaden Wallace, and I'd rather have Joe Mill.

2163
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: I think you can.

2164
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 2: And now we're getting into kind of the NBA philosophy,

2165
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 2: have it. You can package the picks. Let's see here,

2166
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 2: so top of the fourth round, Cleveland, Tennessee, New York.

2167
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: All they're gonna have a chance to get quarterbacks, though,

2168
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 2: so they don't.

2169
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: Let's see, he's still he's still an early Day three picks.

2170
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 2: The Saints at ninety three, Saints call off for ninety

2171
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 2: three for Joe Milton.

2172
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: No, I'm Joe Milton.

2173
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 2: The Jets at ninety two. No, I also would't trade him.

2174
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 2: Who else needs a quarterback here? The Steelers at eighty three,

2175
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: send them to Pittsburgh.

2176
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm kipping them all right. I think it needs

2177
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 1: to be. I think I think blown Away all right

2178
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: is second or high.

2179
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: The Raiders at seventy three, The Raiders at sixty eight,

2180
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 2: How about the Raiders of sixty eight? No, No, you're

2181
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 2: you're staunching me. I want to find where you're lying

2182
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 2: is hang on, Yeah, No, Panthers is a new quarterback.

2183
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 2: What am I talking about? Steelers at fifty two would

2184
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 2: be the next quarterback back.

2185
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing, I'm att.

2186
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: So there you go.

2187
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: There's so much value.

2188
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

2189
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: There's so much value in having a cost controlled backup

2190
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: that you think has upside. Like I think that's the

2191
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: that is the ideal backup quarterback rookie contract with upside. Yeah,

2192
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 1: we're not talking about Chase Daniel, talking about a guy

2193
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: that has a ceiling. And I think there's a ton

2194
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: of value in that. And as much as I love

2195
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Drake May, we love Drake May, I'm not crowning Drake

2196
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: May yet.

2197
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 2: Right, So, And and the other thing is Joe Milton's

2198
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. Yeah, if he was, if he was

2199
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 2: entering the final year of his contract.

2200
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: When we get to like the Jimmy G Jacolia Brissett

2201
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,799
Speaker 1: situation three years from now, then.

2202
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 2: We'll if Joe Milton's entering the final year of his

2203
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 2: contract to be a very different conversation. If Matt Castle,

2204
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 2: they held on to Matt Castle all the way through,

2205
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 2: right he was, I think he had one or two

2206
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: years left on his seal at that when I was

2207
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: before the preset rookie contracts. But no, I'm with you.

2208
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 2: I'd have to be I think you'd have to be

2209
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 2: blown away more than me. But I have to be

2210
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 2: blown away to trade Joe Milton. I'd take the calls.

2211
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 2: I would take the calls, and I'm like, make calls,

2212
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 2: but but not just giving him away.

2213
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: But to your point, then how are you addressing backup quarterback?

2214
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you at the end of the day, then

2215
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 1: I have to just use another draft pick on a

2216
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: backup if I'm.

2217
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 2: Getting if I'm getting a third round draft pick, and

2218
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 2: I can draft my backup in the fifth. Okay, So

2219
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: I moved up two rounds like that, you know, you

2220
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 2: move up seventy spots. Now I'm in if I'm trading

2221
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 2: Joe Milton for a fourth and I'm getting a fifth back,

2222
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 2: and then I'm taking the backup with the fifth. All right,

2223
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 2: I moved up maybe thirty five spots if it's the

2224
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: full round, like that's it. On day three, that's completely different.

2225
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you.

2226
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 2: So there is a point where it's like, oh, I

2227
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 2: have to replace my backup quarterback. Final do it for

2228
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 2: the pick you're giving me, yes, yeah, or maybe it's

2229
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 2: what if you get like you know, so maybe this

2230
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 2: is the way you do it. I get a third

2231
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: and a fifth, so now I get the fifth to

2232
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: replace my backup quarterback, and now I have the third.

2233
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 1: I just I I never give away quarterbacks that have upside.

2234
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 1: If I'm a team, if I'm the GM, I'm doing that.

2235
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right.

2236
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: Steve here emails in and says that he's a little

2237
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: bit concerned with all of the different philosophies and coaching

2238
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 1: trees on the offensive side of the ball. We touch

2239
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 1: on this briefly a little bit, you know, and he's

2240
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: his concern, which I think is valid, is that he's

2241
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,919
Speaker 1: worried about wires getting crossed and you know, mixed signals

2242
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and things like that with with all the different languages

2243
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: and things like that. So to that, Steve, I I

2244
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: think that's a valid concern. Thomas Brown, West Coast guy,

2245
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Doug Morone, I would say, Sean Payton, you know, Bill.

2246
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 2: O'Brien, like he's also just been in the league long

2247
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 2: enough that.

2248
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he's had a lot of overlap with this

2249
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: kind of offense. But Thomas Brown is the past game

2250
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: coordinator is a West Coast guy, Ashton Ashton Grant, right,

2251
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: the reported quarterbacks coach is coming from Cleveland. He's a

2252
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: West Coast guy. I get all that this the buck

2253
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: stops with McDaniels and Mike Rabel, Like this is on

2254
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: those two guys, especially Rabel, to say, this is the playbook,

2255
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: this is the language, this is what we're speaking. You

2256
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: guys have to adjust like that. It's not on McDaniels

2257
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: to adjust. It's not It's on Ashton Grant, and it's

2258
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: on Doug Moron, and it's on Todd Downing, and it's

2259
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: on Thomas Brown, and that's we'll see how that works out.

2260
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: We'll see how that works out. But it's on those

2261
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: guys to do that. And we also got an email

2262
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 1: from Henry here with a couple of names that he

2263
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: wants to throw out there, and one of them we've

2264
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: talked a lot about, Mason Graham today, Josh Simmons, we've

2265
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 1: talked a lot about. But one guy that he does

2266
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: mention here too that I wanted to talk about was

2267
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker from Georgia, who I also watched in my

2268
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: last batch of watching prospects I think that there's a

2269
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: really windy road to get to the point where Jalen

2270
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Walker is a Patriot, Like it involves a trade down

2271
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: and it evolves free agency getting hit out of the

2272
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: park where you really don't have any holes, which is

2273
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: hard to believe that we're going to get to that'd

2274
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: be nice. And so there's a lot of different ways

2275
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: and avenues and windy roads that you have to get

2276
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 1: to to get to Jalen Walker. That being said, Jalen

2277
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 1: Walker just in a vacuum really screams like a Rabel

2278
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 1: Patriot linebacker because he kind of plays a little bit

2279
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 1: like Mike Rabel, like he can play.

2280
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 2: On the line five the line, you're the third. So

2281
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: I've only heard three comps for Jalen Walker from three

2282
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 2: different people, and they've all been Patriots linebackers, but they

2283
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 2: were all different. I heard grod Mao, I heard Kyle

2284
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 2: van Noy, and now Mike Rabel.

2285
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: So if I had to comp him to a Patriots

2286
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: linebacker from all avenues, it's grod Mayo. I think from size,

2287
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: he's going to measure out roughly like girod Mao did,

2288
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: and he can play inside, he can play on the line,

2289
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He can blitz. From everything that you've heard,

2290
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 1: he's like this very lauded leader and captain and all

2291
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff as well. Uh Rabel did did

2292
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 1: it similarly to Mayo, but it was different eras kind

2293
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 1: of and they got lighter and with Mayo than with Rabel.

2294
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna be as quite as big as

2295
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: as Mike Rabel is. He's probably gonna come in at

2296
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: like six two, six three and forty five pounds from

2297
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: that standpoint, a lot like Gid Mayo, a lot like

2298
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: Dante High Tower, just in terms of role. You know

2299
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him on the defensive front. I

2300
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: just look at a guy like Rabel though, and and

2301
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: just everything that Jalen Walker can do for you defensively

2302
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: in the front seven, play the edge, play in sideline, backer,

2303
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: rush in line, blitz up the middle, drop into coverage,

2304
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: cover running backs like that. Those types of guys are

2305
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 1: the types of guys that typically, you know, Belichick guys

2306
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: gravitate towards.

2307
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know if we're gonna do recency bias

2308
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 2: players today, but I have one that I guess would

2309
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 2: be day two. Jalen Walker. Yeah, I can give it now,

2310
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 2: just give it. Chris Paul from Old Miss, who was

2311
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 2: one of the best players at the Shrine Bowl, is

2312
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 2: a little bit smaller. I think he came in and

2313
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 2: he's like six one twenty six, so he's on that

2314
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 2: smaller side. But if you're playing him next to Juwan Bentley, right,

2315
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 2: this is a guy that can play sideline. A sideline

2316
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 2: is a plus player in coverage. You can get after

2317
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback. He's not a great run defender, but he

2318
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 2: can like be out there. Yeah, he's a second round

2319
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, projected second third round pick, middle of the

2320
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 2: day two because just people don't take linebackers high anymore.

2321
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 2: But I think he's tremendously talented. He might trying to think.

2322
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm missing somebody. He's definitely like a third,

2323
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: top three to four linebacker in this draft. You know,

2324
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put him ahead of Walker, who else? I'm

2325
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 2: blanking on a name, but I'll remember it. But I

2326
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 2: think that kind of player works if you like Jalen Walker.

2327
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 2: But like you said, just the how that works out

2328
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 2: with where he's projected to go and where the Patriots

2329
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 2: are is tough. Chris Paul is a guy to know

2330
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: and then you know he was my recent guy a

2331
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 2: couple of months ago. Barrett Carter from Clemson is another one. Yeah,

2332
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 2: I was missing the kid from UCLA Swessinger.

2333
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2334
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 2: Those are probably the four best linebackers.

2335
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 7: In the draft.

2336
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: So Jalen Walker just to wrap it up on him.

2337
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had, oh, g Hod Campbell, that's why

2338
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 2: I was missing g Campbell from Alabama.

2339
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2340
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: If I had to pick a Patriot from the past

2341
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: to content, it would be drawn. I think you was

2342
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot like Dirod Mayo, and it's probably gonna go

2343
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 1: in a similar spot of the draft. Is Girod Mayo?

2344
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 7: Uh?

2345
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 1: The other one that I had mentioned quickly from Georgia

2346
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 1: is Mikel Williams, who again, if you're gonna do that

2347
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: trade down to nine or ten, really raw, really raw.

2348
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Now Georgia always has that issue. I hate how Georgia.

2349
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: Uh they they they new to their ed rushers at Georgia.

2350
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: They don't let those guys rush. It's annoying, but they'll

2351
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 1: line them up head up over the tackle, and it's

2352
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: it's obviously tougher to get on the edge head up

2353
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 1: over the tackle, so it hurt it hurt Trayvon Walker

2354
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 1: a lot. It hurt Mikeel Williams a lot. But Mikeel

2355
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: Williams is one of those guys that's really toolsy, really raw. Uh.

2356
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: Not quite as as like freakishly athletic as Trayvon Walker was.

2357
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 1: But in a similar mold, I would say to Trayvon Walker,

2358
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: you give him to Terrell Williams and Mike Rable like

2359
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 1: they they're gonna take that ball of clay and turn

2360
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: him into a good player. Yeah. I know that, but again,

2361
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 1: this is trade down scenarios. This is you know, things

2362
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: fallowing a certain way to get to that point. One

2363
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: last one about the current roster, and then we'll take

2364
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 1: these last calls and we'll wrap it up. Uh. This

2365
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: is a question from Sean and Vancouver, who's a big

2366
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,759
Speaker 1: time listener. I always appreciate that he says he's concerned

2367
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: about Ramondre Stevenson and his fumbling. So what can the

2368
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 1: Patriots do to help Rimandra Stevenson with his fumbling issues.

2369
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not super concerned with Ramondre's fumbling issues because I

2370
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 1: trust Frable. I think that they're going to recognize that

2371
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson needs to be here. He needs to be

2372
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: a part of their offense. He needs to be a

2373
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: big part of their offense in terms of volume and

2374
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: whether it's doing the Kevin fulk where you put the

2375
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: arm the arm bands on or uh, you know, you

2376
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: get him like the program and he's carrying the football

2377
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: around the facility. A Damian Harris tried that whatever it is,

2378
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, holding the ball in a different spot, you know,

2379
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: just in terms of where he holds the football. Remember

2380
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: Tiki Barber used to hold it like weirdly, like all

2381
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 1: the way up here, like whatever the case may be.

2382
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: To get the fumbling issues out, I have confidence that

2383
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: in this coaching staff that they're gonna kind of throw

2384
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink at that.

2385
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 2: I also think some of it, like it wasn't a

2386
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 2: long time issue for Stevenson. He fumbled seven times total

2387
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 2: over his first three seasons and like four hundred something carries,

2388
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 2: and then he fumbled seven times last year alone, So

2389
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 2: I think some of it's just workload. You know, I'm

2390
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 2: huge on this that vermondra Stevenson's been overworked. McDaniel's always

2391
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,919
Speaker 2: very good about making sure his running backs are not overworked.

2392
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 2: So I think that in in you know, some shape

2393
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 2: or formal help take care of it. You just hope

2394
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 2: it's not a mental issue at this point.

2395
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: Yep. Agreed. All right, let's get back to the calls.

2396
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: Andy is in Sudbury. What's up, Andy?

2397
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 5: Hey, guys?

2398
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 2: How are you hey?

2399
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: Good?

2400
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 7: Good?

2401
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Good?

2402
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 6: So?

2403
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 4: I just have a question about wide receivers in the draft.

2404
01:50:54,720 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, go gotch you go U.

2405
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 8: So, yeah, I have a question about wide receivers in

2406
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 8: the draft.

2407
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 4: I mean I would I would like Ted McMillan with

2408
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 4: the fourth overall picks, but I could stand trading down

2409
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 4: to get him or one of Savion Williams, Jack Dick

2410
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 4: or Pray Harris. What are your thoughts on them?

2411
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, nice nice list. I I wish that save

2412
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 1: On Williams participated in the Senior Bowl. I know he didn't,

2413
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: which was a bummer. A lot of that depends with

2414
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: Jack Beck, I think, in particular on what kind of

2415
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: offense they're going to be. If they're really going to

2416
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 1: try to like ramsify this offense and be that sort

2417
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: of scheme, then Jack bec makes all of sense in

2418
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: the world. Like the Rams putting Cooper Cup on the

2419
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: trade block. A couple of days after Jack Beck had

2420
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: a great week at the Senior Bowl. Does not get

2421
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 1: lost on me. Like he is a RAMS wide receiver,

2422
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: he is a Puka Nakua clone. I don't know if

2423
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be as good as Puka is, but he's

2424
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,759
Speaker 1: built like that. He can block, he can play inside

2425
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 1: in those type you know, formations and things like that.

2426
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: He goes over the middle. He's good in at yak

2427
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 1: he's good at at the catch point. Like he's a

2428
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 1: RAMS types of a receiver, he's a Niners type of receiver.

2429
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 1: So if that's the type of offense that you want

2430
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 1: to run, then I think that he's a great fit

2431
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 1: for it. I don't think he's a great fit for

2432
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 1: the traditional McDaniels offense in what role, in either role,

2433
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: because I.

2434
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 2: Just don't think he could be that like Jacoby Meyers power.

2435
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Slot maybe, but I don't. I don't look at his

2436
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: route running as like precise enough. I think he's more

2437
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 1: of what he's a power slot like. I think he

2438
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: wins more with physicality and and with just overwhelming ability.

2439
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,640
Speaker 1: I think that's probably like the difference between him and

2440
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: and Puka to me, Like Puka is a lot more

2441
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: technical than what I saw to Jack Beck. Now maybe

2442
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: Beck gets there, you know with training and things like that,

2443
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would say that that that he's more

2444
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: in that mold. If that's the type of offense they

2445
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: want to run. If they want to run the mcdani

2446
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 1: annuel's traditional Patriots offense, they need IQ players, they need

2447
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,719
Speaker 1: great route runners, they need uh you know, like Diala

2448
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 1: State guys like Restrepo, like Matthew Golden from Texas, Like

2449
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: those are the types of guys that I would grab

2450
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: some of them.

2451
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 2: I got Kyle Williams, who's still like eight hundred something

2452
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 2: on the big bed for some reason.

2453
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2454
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 2: And as for Savion Williams, love the player fascinates the

2455
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 2: hell out of me. McDaniels is not does not have

2456
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 2: a good history scheme touch guys.

2457
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 1: So on a scale of one to Leviska chanal T,

2458
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: where does he fall on that that scale?

2459
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 2: Because he reminds me a little bit of isn't isn't

2460
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 2: isn't the scale really on a scale from Nikhil Harry

2461
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 2: to Cordero Patterson.

2462
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah good, Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

2463
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 2: So I guess that, like if you told me they

2464
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 2: were gonna draft him as Cordero Patterson, they were gonna

2465
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 2: use him as a running back and h you know,

2466
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 2: slot receiver, I'd be a little more in if they

2467
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 2: were going to try to turn him into like an X,

2468
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty worried. He's better than Leviska shanal Okay.

2469
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 2: I just worry that he is one of those He's

2470
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 2: a gadget player, He's a graduet. He's a massive popped

2471
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 2: up clist basically.

2472
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: Right, because well, you read his scouting report and I

2473
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: haven't done a ton of work on him yet, but

2474
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 1: you just read a scouting report and like it's like, oh,

2475
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: well he can play running back, and he can you know,

2476
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: you can use him on scheme touches and so like,

2477
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 1: Cordell Patterson is kind of the comp. I don't think

2478
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 1: he's as explosive on kick returns and things like that

2479
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: as Cordelia. Yeah, yeah, I think that there's that's the

2480
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: comp all right. Uh feels like Mark in Connecticut. Mark,

2481
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you end the show as the last

2482
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: caller every week. I like that.

2483
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys as always just had too quick,

2484
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 5: just had two quick things for you. I am quite

2485
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 5: surprised and shocked and I wanted to know if you

2486
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 5: guys had any intel, why would the organization want to

2487
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 5: relieve these two guys of their duties, Troy Brown and

2488
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 5: Matthew Slater, which they have been great, I think, pieces

2489
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 5: for this organization of all time, and I just don't

2490
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 5: get why they would want to relieve them. And maybe

2491
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 5: they're bringing to Wes Welker.

2492
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2493
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 5: I would love to see that. And then the other

2494
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 5: thing is Josh Simmons. Would he be available at the

2495
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 5: end of the first round if the Patriots try to

2496
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 5: move up into the first round into the back of

2497
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 5: the first round like they tried to last year. And

2498
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys always.

2499
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt Mark, We appreciate the call. So on the

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01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 1: first point with the coaching staff, Troy Brown had quite

2501
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 1: the fall from grace. You know, he was on the

2502
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: up and up, and wide receivers coach didn't go great

2503
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 1: for him. I think he's a really good returners coach.

2504
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: The Patriots have had good returners. Obviously, Marcus Jones is

2505
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 1: a good returner in his own right, but I think

2506
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: he's actually done pretty well. When Marcus joneses been hurt

2507
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,839
Speaker 1: and things like that, with developing returners, but wide receivers

2508
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 1: coach didn't go so well for him and it kind

2509
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 1: of stunted his growth from there. Matthew Slater is an

2510
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: interesting one, but I don't believe that him and Rabel

2511
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: ever really overlapped here, right because Rabel was gone by

2512
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 1: the seven oh eight and then Slater came in as

2513
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: a draft pick, so they don't have a relationship. Now.

2514
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: Could Matthews Slater have stuck on his as a special

2515
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 1: teams coach, Absolutely, but his role on Drod Mayo's staff

2516
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 1: was a lot is more of like an assistant to

2517
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 1: the head coach advisor type of role as well. He

2518
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: was very involved in that sort of thing. And my

2519
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 1: take on that is just I think Matthew Slater is

2520
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: being replaced by people closer to Rabel and more confidance

2521
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: of Abel, like a stretch John Striker or Ryan Cowden

2522
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 1: in the front office or things like that.

2523
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 2: And I also wonder with Slater, like, I didn't he

2524
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 2: say something before he retired to like he didn't think

2525
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 2: he was going to go into coaching right away? Yeah,

2526
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 2: and then obviously he did. We were all kind of

2527
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 2: surprised by that, and maybe just wanting to take a

2528
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 2: step back by the way you mentioned when you read

2529
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: saving on William's scouting report. Yes, the thirty third team

2530
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 2: just put theirs up. You want this, you want to

2531
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm just curious your reaction positives. Powerful frame offer, straight

2532
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 2: line explosiveness and contact balance with the ball in his hands,

2533
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Supreme versatility as a direct snap backfield player, alignment at

2534
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 2: running back and ability to split wide. Impressive contested catch

2535
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 2: resume across entire body of work to win at the catchpoint. Negatives.

2536
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: Drop rate exceeds ten percent for his career, some frustrating

2537
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 2: lapses of routine opportunities. Refinement as a route runner requires

2538
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 2: work played in a college spread system with plenty of

2539
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 2: soft coverage. Does not illustrate desired run blocking contributions on

2540
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 2: the perimeter that his frame may suggest. He's listed at

2541
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 2: sixty five two twenty five unofficial pro comparison Cordero Patterson.

2542
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:28,280
Speaker 1: So the only difference between that scouting report and what

2543
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: Cordero Patterson turned into. Yeah, I wouldn't say Cordell Patterson's

2544
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: a great contested catch guy. So if Xavion Williams is

2545
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 1: going to add that on top of Cordero Patterson's skill set.

2546
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 1: But again, I don't think he's as explosive as Patterson is.

2547
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 1: But if that's the skill set, then I am more

2548
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 1: intrigued by it. But the receiver that you just described

2549
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 1: is anti Josh McDaniels.

2550
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 2: Its completely one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, like that is

2551
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 2: not the guy that's thrived with Josh. Another one draft network,

2552
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:03,839
Speaker 2: diverse release package, explosive, great short area, quickness, position, versatile playmaker, concerns,

2553
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 2: raw route runner concentration drops, lack of production. Do they

2554
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 2: have a comparison, uh, comparison? They mentioned Deebo Samuel in

2555
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 2: the right up, but not as a direct comparison. That's

2556
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 2: probably the ceiling. And then I look Bleacher report as

2557
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 2: a ton of plus and negatives. Their comparison Chase Claypool.

2558
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I think Chase Claypool that would be better at

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01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: the catch point.

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01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 2: That also, like that takes out the whole reason saving

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01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 2: On Williams has all this value is because of the versatility.

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01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 2: So he has Chased Claypool as a receiver. Like, I

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01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:39,280
Speaker 2: can see that comparison, but there is more to him

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01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 2: than that.

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01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, really quickly, super Bowl pick who you got?

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01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Eagles Chiefs.

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01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:47,959
Speaker 2: It's just dumb the pick against the Chiefs at this point.

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01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: But it is.

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01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, heart says Eagles, but I you know,

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01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 2: go birds and all that. But I think the Chiefs

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01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 2: are I've had fun saying go Birds. I slogan yeah,

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01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 2: like co Bird's big always sunny guy too. I yeah,

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01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are gonna win. So this game,

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01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,800
Speaker 2: to me, it's it's it's it's hard without Kyle Shanahan.

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01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 2: It's so easy when I can just be like, oh,

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01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 2: the Niners are gonna get a lead and then lose.

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01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. I don't know why Kyle Shanahan had

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01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 1: to take a stray.

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01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 2: There, because that was my bet last year.

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01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,040
Speaker 1: The Eagles have a better football team.

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01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 2: They do.

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01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 1: The Eagles have a better roster top to bottom. But

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01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 1: what this is going to come down to is two things. One,

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01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 1: can the Chiefs stop Sakuon Barkley. They're not gonna stop

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01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. It's not gonna blow them down, slow them down.

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01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:39,200
Speaker 1: And really what it is is can they limit the

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01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: explosives because Barkley's a really good at turning a ten

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01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:45,080
Speaker 1: yard run into a sixty yard run When you're playing

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01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:46,960
Speaker 1: the Eagles, you gotta get him on the ground. You

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01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 1: can't allow him to take those big runs like he didn't.

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01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: It was like Chris Jones and Barkley's like the best

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01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:53,839
Speaker 2: magic the first.

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01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 1: The first play from scrimmage and the NFC Championship game,

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01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: he takes it to the house. You can't have those

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01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: types of plays against the Eagles. If you you can

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02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 1: get the Eagles into third and pass, then Steve Spagnolo

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02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: is gonna come after Jalen Hurts. We know that Jalen

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02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Hurts is one of the worst passers in the league

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02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,760
Speaker 1: under pressure in terms of how good he is that

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02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,480
Speaker 1: when kept clean versus under pressure, that delta of those

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02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: two things one of the worst in the league at it.

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02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 1: So the game comes down to for the Chiefs, can

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02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: they get Philadelphia an obvious pass? Because if they can

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02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 1: get Philadelphia an obvious pass, Spagnolo can do his thing.

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02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: He can spin the dial in the pass rush and

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02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: he can get Jalen Hurts under pressure, and the and

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02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 1: the Eagles are gonna have a tough time. In conclusion,

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02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Chiefs.

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02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, too much.

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02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,920
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo and too much, Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

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02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,600
Speaker 1: The coaching I just trusted so much at this point.

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02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: It's so consistent, it's so good. I just don't see

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02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: how a Nick Siriani coaching staff, even though I love

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02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, I don't see how Nick Sirianni coaching staff

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02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: out coaches that that brain trust.

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02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 2: I just don't Who wins the next Super Bowl next year? Yeah,

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02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers? No, no way.

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02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 1: And on that note, we will be back next week,

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02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: same time, same place. We might talk a little bit

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02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl on Sunday, which we're gonna watch together,

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02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: so you can get our notes on the super Bowl,

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02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 1: but we'll also get into heavy draft talking offseason, as

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Speaker 1: we always do. So thanks so much for listening and watching,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you guys next week.

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