1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: What's up? 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Its way up with Angela Yee, And what a day 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: for you to be here today, Joyne Reid is here 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: with me. 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 3: It's so good to be here, Angela. 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Listen. 7 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: Yesterday I was saying to myself, man, there is so 8 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: much going on right now, and how appropriate that Joyanne 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: Read is going to be here because you are the 10 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: person that was like the go to person to watch 11 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: on the news, but now you're the go to person 12 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: to watch with your very own show. So congratulations on 13 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: the Joyread Show. 14 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 15 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 4: I'm like so excited about how well it's doing and 16 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 4: how many people are vibing with it. 17 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: It makes me feel good. 18 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: Over a million people have viewed it like in the 19 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: first you know, one week and the first week that's huge. 20 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: That has to feel good because no matter what, when 21 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: you start something new that's yours, you always are like 22 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: a little nervous, like what's gonna happen? 23 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: How will people receive this? 24 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 4: I was totally nervous. I was in a complete, like 25 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: one week panic attack. I mean because every day it's 26 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: a different level of intensity because I don't have a 27 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 4: fifteen person staff and a you. 28 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: Know, thirty person crew. 29 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: I don't have all of the resource versus it's you know, 30 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: my husband or mine. We have a production company, our 31 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 4: girl Adrian or small group. We were sort of a. 32 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 3: Like little band of determined people. 33 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: You know. It's half a dozen people as opposed to 34 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 4: you know, fifty people, and so it's all on us, 35 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: and so the pressure is all on you know, it's 36 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: on us. And so when we launched it, we were 37 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: betting on ourselves, you know. And it just makes me 38 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: feel good that so many of my people, my folks, 39 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: are still here for me. 40 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: It's interesting because it also gives you the opportunity to 41 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: kind of say what you want to say. 42 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I remember you talking about. 43 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Like your tweets were a big problem just tweeting how 44 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: you know, just expressing things, and that was something that 45 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: you were getting cause about. 46 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: But now you can do what you want. 47 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: I can do what I want. 48 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you need that push, though, to get that freedom. 49 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: I think. 50 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: So I think sometimes things that you look at as 51 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: a negative are just God saying no, you need to 52 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: do this in a different way and you need to 53 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: be your authentic self. And look, I mean, they really 54 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: did hate my tweets and my social media. They hated 55 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: my Instagram. They would literally, I mean I would literally 56 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: get call in for liking a post, not reposting it, 57 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: just hitting a like on something. I'm like, you guys 58 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 4: are policing me that seriously, that you're looking at what 59 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: I'm liking and I'm not liking like I mean, we've 60 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: got Nazism happening in America, I'm not liking that. I mean, 61 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 4: if I knew that somebody was liking like a Nazi 62 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: post or like a you know, super racist post something 63 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: like that, that would be one thing. 64 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: But these were just. 65 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: Posts about Gaza. These were just posts about things that 66 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: were happening in the world. These were just posts about 67 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: Trump or you know, or liking a post that was 68 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: mocking him. 69 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: We can't mock the president of the United. 70 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: States, the free country. Right. 71 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: He's posted about you, and he's sam and I listen, 72 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: I always say it's a compliment if he has some 73 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: negative things to say about you, because he basically was 74 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: saying you're not a star, you're not this, you're not that. 75 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: I remember that too, and I was like, Okay, good, 76 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: because the last thing you want is for Trump to 77 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: be like I really like her, right. 78 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: And also, Donald Trump, I'm saying to myself, I'm like, 79 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: if you were logical about this, Donald, you wouldn't do it. 80 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: Because what you've done is you've told the whole world 81 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: and all your two hundred and fifty million followers that 82 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: you know who I am. You're not supposed to if 83 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 4: I'm untalented, unimportant. 84 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: Why do you know who I am? And why do 85 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: you know my Twitter handle? 86 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: Yeah? 87 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And you know, I know that the trolls 88 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: have been coming. But what I love that you did 89 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: is you've turned it around and said, look, you can 90 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: watch my stuff for free, but if you want to 91 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: leave a comment, you got to pay to subscribe. 92 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: So the trolls have to pay if they want to 93 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: leave a comment. 94 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: That's correct, and you can feel free to troll. It will, 95 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: but it will cost you eight dollars a month. 96 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: Now, tell me about this whole process, because no matter 97 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: what I know, you know, there could be some misconceptions 98 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: about things that happened. 99 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: I saw Steven A. 100 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Smith went and did this whole thing where he complimented you, 101 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: but then at the same time he was like, your 102 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: ratings went down, you know, forty seven percent, and no 103 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: matter what, and after the election, and da da da 104 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: da da. 105 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: So what did you think when you saw that? 106 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: First of all, I just did the math. Steven A. 107 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Smith is very successful at ESPN, But the last I checked, 108 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: it's about half a million people watch that show. I 109 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: had double that on a bad day at MSNBC. So 110 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: if you're going to talk numbers, let's talk all the numbers, 111 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: including your own, Stephen. And the second thing I would 112 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: say is, yes, we went down by about forty six 113 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: percent at on the readout on my show, the network 114 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: overall went down about fifty one percent. Okay, So we 115 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: had just had a ratings meeting saying after the twenty 116 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four election, we were riding high. I mean 117 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: there were nights we had one point seven million people 118 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: watching just one night of our program because people were 119 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: high on Kamala. So in the months leading into the election, 120 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 4: everyone was watching MSNBC. We were going live to her events. 121 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: You know, when Megan these Statue was performing, we were live. 122 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: Nicole Wallace was getting nearly two million people watching. That's 123 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: Rachel Maddow numbers right, And Rachel Matta was in the 124 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: two millions. Like these numbers were huge that we were 125 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: getting leading into the election because I think the Democratic 126 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: base was on a high, and MSNBC is their channel. 127 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 4: As soon as Kamala Harris was declared not the winner 128 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 4: of that election, the bottom dropped out of all cable 129 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 4: news ratings other than Fox. Fox ratings swored CNN, which 130 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: had already been in the toilet. Their ratings were horrible. 131 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: They didn't have a single show with a million viewers 132 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: on it, and this had been for over a year, 133 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: ever since they did that town hall with Trump. It 134 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: really angered their audience and they really had not come back, 135 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: and so they didn't have many bright spots on there show. 136 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 4: Even Anderson Cooper didn't have a million people watching. And 137 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: MSNBC was now routinely beating them. We were beating them 138 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 4: every night. We were beating them even in the demo 139 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: most nights. So the thing about we have to understand 140 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: about cable news ratings is there's the big number. There's 141 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: the total number. We called the P two, and that's 142 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: how many people totally are watching. So it would be 143 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: like for me, you know, on a good night, you know, 144 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: post election, one million, one point one million at Fox, 145 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: their P two is like two million. It's like three million, 146 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: you know, like three million people watching. Now, you know, 147 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: in a country of three hundred fifty million people, it's 148 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: not that many people, but it's a lot for news. 149 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 4: Rachel mattaw on a good Night would get two million 150 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: people watching, but in the demo, of their six hundred 151 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 4: thousand people watching a show on CNN, a third of that, 152 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: Joe would be in the demo. So their strength was 153 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: in the money demo people who were twenty nine to 154 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: fifty four in that demo. CNN was still competitive, but 155 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: not in the big number. After the election was over, 156 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: we were still either matching or defeating our person that 157 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: we were up against in the CNN ratings in the demo, 158 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: and we were crushing them in the total number. 159 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: Right for an entire matters. 160 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to ask you about that, because 161 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: I remember that a lot of people did come to 162 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: your defense and it was a shocking move, I think 163 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: for all of us, and I mean most certainly for 164 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: you more than anybody, you know, because I was like, 165 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: that is as far as what I watched on television. 166 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 2: You know, you're one of the people that I'm going 167 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: to tune in for, and I know a lot of 168 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: people were. I told you right before we said I 169 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: saw when Plies had been posting you, and he was like, 170 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, tell Joyanne Reid. I said, keep fighting that 171 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: good fight. And you know, he's always in support of you, 172 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: and he's posted you numerous times. 173 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: It's a badge of honor. 174 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: I'm a super fan of Flies, and when he the 175 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: first time he reposted me, I was like, okay. But 176 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: between that and like, you know, anytime that's somebody that 177 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of, you know, is like reposting me, 178 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I can retire. 179 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: I love Flies. I think he's great. 180 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: All right, now, let's talk about what's going on now. 181 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: This is why I'm so glad you're here, because this 182 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: is what I'll be watching you to find out about. 183 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: So we're watching everything that's happening right now right with 184 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and New York City is on high alert. 185 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: A lot of places are on high alert right now 186 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: because we don't know what's about to happen. And so 187 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: can you just kind of break down for me as 188 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: far as Donald Trump bombing three different places in Iran 189 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: where there were I guess nuclear bases, and then now 190 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: they're firing back at some of the US bases in 191 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: the Middle East. Can you just tell us what's going 192 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: on in Layman's terms. 193 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, basically, we launched an unprovoked attack on 194 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: a country that had not attacked us. 195 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: To be very much like we did and. 196 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Down Hump had said there'd be no wars and corect Okay. 197 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: He ran for officing he would not start stupid wars. 198 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: He criticized George W. Bush for the Iraq War. He 199 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: and I agreed on that. Although he was four before 200 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 4: he was against it, but he eventually was against the 201 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: Iraq War. He said that when he if he became 202 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: president again, not only would he end the stupid foreign 203 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: wars we were in, but he would not start another one. 204 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: A lot of people voted for Trump because they thought 205 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: he was the peace candidate. There were a lot of 206 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: Muslims who voted for him over Kamala Harris because they 207 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: said he would bring peace to the Middle East, specifically. 208 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: So Donald Trump comes into office claiming to be the 209 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: peace candidate, pushing actually to get a Nobel Peace Prize 210 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: because he said he would end the Ukraine War. 211 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: He didn't do that. Then he said that. 212 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: He would turn the Middle East into a resort. It 213 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: would be so peaceful and wonderful, everyone would want to 214 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: build hotels on Gaza on the Gaza Strip because he 215 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: would end that war. He didn't do that. Literally two 216 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: weeks ago, Donald Trump said that he wanted to give 217 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: diplomacy a chance with Iran because all of the West, 218 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 4: the Western world, believes Iran does not have a right 219 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: to have nuclear weapons. There used to be a deal 220 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 4: that was going to stop them from getting nuclear weapons. 221 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: Barack Obama signed it beaming at in Yahoo, who was 222 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 4: the Prime Minister of Israel for fifteen years running. He 223 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: didn't want that deal done. Obama did it anyway. Trump 224 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: came into office, undid it. Joe Biden came into office, 225 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: did not put it back in. So now Iran was freedom. 226 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: You enrich uranium, and you have to enrich uranium to 227 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: a certain point where you can actually take it from 228 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 4: being just something that can power your energy grid to 229 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 4: something that can make a weapon. And the goal of 230 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: the Western world is to stop Iran from getting to 231 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: that weapons grade. They don't mind if they have it 232 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: just to power their lights, But Iran has never said 233 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 4: they wanted it to be weapons grade. They need to 234 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: power their country. They're an oil rich country that should 235 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: be independent in terms of generating electricity. So they want 236 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: nuclear energy and they've never said they wanted nukes, and 237 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: there's no proof that they've been trying to get nukes, 238 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: but beibing at in Yahoo, the leader of Israel is 239 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: determined to make sure that not only do they not 240 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: get nukes, but that they new to them as a power. 241 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: They don't want Iran to be a powerful country in 242 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: that region because they want to be the big dog 243 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: in the region. Been trying to get president after president 244 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: after US president to get into a war to destroy Iron. 245 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: No president was sucker enough to debate until Trump. 246 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: I saw a Nanaya who praising course Donald Trump for this, 247 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: And so now what does this mean for us? Because 248 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: as we're thinking about this as like chess, obviously everything 249 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: that you do has multiple reactions, and I see Russia 250 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: saying that no matter what, there's supportive not of us 251 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: at all. 252 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: So what does this mean now for the United States? 253 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: I saw Donald Trump, you know, posting about making sure 254 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: that we don't that the price of oil doesn't go 255 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: up and to keep the price like he can really right, 256 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: you know, can have any control over that. But what 257 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: now does that mean for us, like what type of danger? 258 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: Because this is the main thing I'm trying to figure 259 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: out as I'm seeing all these things. I was in Detroit, 260 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: I traveled back home. We're in New York, you know, 261 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: we're near Times Square, and I really think about these things, 262 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 2: like is this something that I need to. 263 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: Make sure that I'm prepared? Like should I not be here? 264 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: I just, you know, I don't want to be in 265 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: a state of panic, but I was when I saw 266 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: all this this transpiring. 267 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: I mean, the irony is New York voted very decisively 268 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: against Donald Trump. But New York City is the most 269 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: iconic city in America, and when people want to commit 270 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: terrorist acts, they tend to go to the iconic cities, 271 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: and all the iconic cities are Blue City, San Francisco, 272 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: New Orleans, New York City, Washington, D C. And so unfortunately, 273 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: the very people who voted not to have Donald Trump 274 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: be president are the most vulnerable if Iran decides to 275 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: use one of its proxy forces. So despite them having 276 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: their own army and air force and Navy, etc. They 277 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 4: financially control and prop up a group of terrorist organizations. 278 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: Hez Belah, the militant wing of Hamas. They get money 279 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 4: from them, and they use them in different countries in 280 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: order to influence politics locally. But they also have the 281 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: ability to use those forces against us because we have 282 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 4: military forces station all over the Middle East. And if 283 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 4: they decide they wanted to bomb one and cut in Katar, 284 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 4: for instance, or bomb one in you know, Israel or 285 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 4: somewhere else, our troops are vulnerable, which is. 286 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: What they have been doing right now. 287 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, see this is and by the way, it's not 288 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 4: even just bombing our forces in the Middle East, if 289 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: they really I mean when Osama bin lad and decide 290 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: to wage war against the United States, he did it 291 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 4: by attacking the most iconic buildings he can find, the 292 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: World Trade Center, the Pentagon. And I worry being in 293 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: if I would be worried if I were in New 294 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: York that if they decide to send a message, and 295 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: send a message not just by attacking our troops and 296 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: have one of their proxies attack an iconic city. There 297 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: is no city more iconic than New York City. 298 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: That's exactly why I'm like, I'm right here, you know. 299 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: And then as far as congressional approval, because I see 300 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: that going, that debate going back and forth, like what's 301 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: he supposed to get a congression approval? But then I 302 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: see people saying and it's hard because you get all 303 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: these different messages and I don't know what's true and 304 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: what's not. And so then I see them tell about 305 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: Barack Obama and he didn't get congressional approval when it 306 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: was time to bomb, Like, what is going on? Was 307 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: he supposed to get congressional approval or is this something 308 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: that the president has the authority? Well, clearly, you know, 309 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter if he has the authority to 310 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: do something or not if he's not going to abide 311 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: by the rules. 312 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: And that's the thing is that the Congress of the 313 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: United States has become so weak, not just recently but 314 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: over the course of decades. We have not declared war 315 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: on another country since World War Two, when we declared 316 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: war on Japan, not on Germany, but for on Japan 317 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: because they bombed Pearl Harbor and so then we declared 318 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: war on Japan. Since then, the US has engaged in 319 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 4: multiple wars Korea, Vietnam, Iraq twice when we kicked them 320 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: out of Kuwait and then went and invaded and occupied them. 321 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: And now this war none of them was declared. When 322 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: Barack Obama bombed Libya to kill Moremar Kadaffi, their leader, 323 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: there was no war declared against Libya, but for sure 324 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: bombing Libya was an act of war. When Donald Trump 325 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: bombed and killed a man named Sulimani in Iran by 326 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 4: dropping a bomb on him inside of a foreign nation, 327 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: that was an act of war, but we didn't treat 328 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 4: it like a war. We've made it so routine for 329 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: American presidents to attack foreign nations in acts of war 330 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: but not call it a war, call it a special 331 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: military operation, or whatever we call it. We've embolden presidents. 332 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: It's not just Trump. There's something wrong with our system 333 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: when you can do an act of war against the 334 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: country and not call it a war. 335 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: They do it all the time. He isn't the first. 336 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: And besides just that, it does feel like Trump has 337 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: been embolded and given power to do a lot of 338 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: things that previously it's like, okay, there's a system in 339 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: place of checks and balances that someone can't just do 340 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: whatever it is that they want to do, and rolling 341 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: back a lot of things that in particular, it shows 342 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: me that he wants to make sure that black and 343 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: brown people continue to be oppressed. Women continue to be oppressed, 344 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: but somehow people don't see it that way. 345 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: And it is. 346 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: Confusing to me because I feel like these are like 347 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: specif And I know you have not been a fan 348 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: of Donald tup since the Central Park five, right, which 349 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: you've been very clear on, and I agree with that. 350 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: That's something that he's still to this day will not 351 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: admit that he was. 352 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: Seeing him for defamation because he won't stop. 353 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: And the fact that people think they have no rationality, 354 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: like you ruin these people's lives here, you know, and 355 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: now yes, fortunately you know people, but it's still something 356 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: that the trauma from that is never going to be 357 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: a race from their childhood. 358 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: And there's people who still. 359 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: Think that they did something wrong and you know it's 360 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: already been. 361 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: You know, these were fourteen and fifteen year old boys 362 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: and they spent up to thirteen years in prison for 363 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: something they did not do. They were called rapists, gang rapists. 364 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 4: People wanted to kill them, and Donald Trump wanted to 365 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: kill them. He put an ad. 366 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: I remember that ad. I remember his own money. He 367 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with nothing. 368 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: Nothing to do with it. And so the reality is 369 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: since I have no use for him. Didn't watch the Pants, 370 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: no interest because I think he's a criminal. I think 371 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 4: he's a fiend, and I think he's a racist, and so, 372 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: you know, I don't care that people like him on 373 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: The Apprentice. 374 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: I don't care. 375 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: That also doesn't make him qualify to be president of 376 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: the United States. And he's shown malignant hatred of black 377 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: people his whole life. People like, no, he didn't. He 378 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: used to get awards from the NAACP. Yeah, because it 379 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: was good for his business to pretend to like black people. 380 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: You know, sure he likes boxers, but he thinks that 381 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: our worth is confined to athletics. Donald Trump, of course, 382 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: loved being around boxers because to him, we're thoroughbreds. We're 383 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 4: supposed to run, jump, playball, and box. Other than that, 384 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: we're not to do anything. I did a book on Trump. 385 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: I interviewed a lot of people who know him. He 386 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: didn't want black people quote unquote counting his money. He 387 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 4: only wanted Jewish people counting his money, which is also 388 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: defaming Jewish people. He did not want black people in 389 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: the front office of his buildings so that they would 390 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 4: be visible when people walked in. He believed all the 391 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: visible people at his businesses needed to be white. He 392 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: hired on documented immigrants, most of them were brown. He 393 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: hired lots of people who were brown. The guy who 394 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: took the fall for the document theft at mar Lago 395 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: is from Guam. 396 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I remember that. 397 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: So he loves having brown people around, but he thinks 398 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 4: they're flunkies. He thinks they're fall guys, and he doesn't 399 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 4: want them to be seen by the public. He wants 400 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: white people to be visible. Look at his administration. 401 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: It's almost qualify people that are loyal to him and 402 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: white and white. 403 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: And his purpose is that he thinks that the United 404 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 4: States was better in a time in the nineteen fifties 405 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: when anyone powerful was a white man. So he's created 406 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: and look at when he walked out and gave his 407 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 4: announcement about this war, it was Marco Rubio jd vance 408 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 4: him and Marco Rubio, who I think in his mind 409 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 4: might be a white guy as well, even though he's okay, 410 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: I mean, but it's like, the purpose is he that's 411 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: the visual he wants, right, He's like, it's not even 412 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: just me, this is my army of conservative white men, 413 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 4: and this is the way America should look, this is 414 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 4: the way it should feel, and we should exert power 415 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: over brown people with this look. 416 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: And he's clear about that. 417 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: What did you think did you think that him and 418 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: Elon Musk would fall out for a period of time 419 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: the way that they did, Because I had thought that 420 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: as soon as he announced, you know, and they were 421 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: so chummy, I was like, this is probably not gonna end. 422 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I didn't either, because these are two egoistical, needy, 423 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: seventh grade girls who were never going to be able 424 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 4: to live in the same locker room for long because 425 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: they both want to be president. They both want to 426 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: be the boss. They both want the attention, and they're 427 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: both attention hogs, and so I thought and eventually they 428 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: were going to get on each other's nerves. But they 429 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: also need each other. And to me, I always said, look. 430 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: He wants those contracts, you know, he wants to make 431 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 2: share financially, everything is good. He wants the power that 432 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: Donald Trump can afford. Donald Trump loves people with money 433 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: or with money. 434 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: And so at the end of the day, I don't 435 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 4: care if they don't personally get along. They still want 436 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 4: the same things, right, They both want to get rid 437 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 4: of DEI. They both don't believe black people should be pilots. 438 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 4: They both don't believe black people should be military leaders. 439 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: They both don't believe women should have freedom over their 440 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 4: own bodies. They think they should be baby machines. They 441 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: think they should shut the hell up and make them 442 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: a sandwich. They agree on all the things are important 443 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: to me. So if they're fighting individually, I don't care. 444 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: They don't get along for now, they get along tomorrow. 445 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: They're still both getting rich off of us. 446 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: What do you think about elections going on right now? 447 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: Like I know in New York we have a big 448 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: one for the primaries, Yeah, for you know who's gonna 449 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: represent us in the for the Democrats, for mayor actually tomorrow. 450 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: I gotta vote tomorrow because that's the last day that 451 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: I can vote. But it feels like a lot of 452 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: what people are talking about is Trump, which kind of 453 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: sucks because I feel like we're not talking about things 454 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: that we need to do to be able to move forward. 455 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of this is based around 456 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 2: conversations or what are we doing about this president? And 457 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 2: then there are really important conversations like about ice and 458 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: immigration and really scary things that are happening in this country. 459 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that the challenge with just keeping 460 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: it local is, you know, the New York's the New 461 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: York metro area in terms of its GDP has a 462 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 4: larger GDP than Canada. So if you do the metro 463 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 4: area that goes from Jersey City to New York City 464 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 4: to Connecticut to was it sam for Connecticut, that that 465 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: that metro area, it's it's the d top of Canada. 466 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: So if you're the mayor of New York City, you're 467 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: essentially the mayor of a nation state. You're like the 468 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 4: president of a nation state. New York City could be 469 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: its own country in terms of its economic power, and 470 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: so you have to essentially have a global view and 471 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 4: a national view to be the New York City mayor. 472 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: And you saw what it looks like when that fails. 473 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: Eric Adams got led around like a donkey by Donald 474 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: Trump because he's his corruption set him up to be 475 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 4: played by the President, and he gave in on some 476 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: really important things that make New York New York. My 477 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: parents are immigrants. They came here as immigrants. They came 478 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: to New York. The idea that you can be rounded 479 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: up at home depot in New York, that you could 480 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 4: go to your immigration hearing and have ice waiting for you, 481 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 4: that you could be dragged off the streets of New 482 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 4: York for writing an op ed that New York would 483 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: become like the center of a fascist takeover. 484 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: Soils when you're scared to go to school, correct, there's 485 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: schools that are like a lot of the kids aren't 486 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: coming in because they don't know what's going to happen, and. 487 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: They don't know if their parents will be there when 488 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 4: they get home. Can you imagine being a kid right 489 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: now in the Bronx and wondering if when you get 490 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: home your mom, your dad, or your abuela will be there, 491 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 4: because they might get dragged off and you'll never see 492 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: them again. That should not be happening in New York, 493 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: sanctuary city, in a sanctuary state, it shouldn't be happening. 494 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: But it's happening here because Trump wants to punish here 495 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 4: because this is the city that rejected him. It's the 496 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: city that he wanted to be the king of and 497 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 4: they wouldn't let him. It's the city that keeps rejecting 498 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: him in terms of elections. It's where he was born 499 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: and raised, and he thinks that he should be popular 500 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 4: and loved here and he's not, and he's deciding to 501 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: punish these blue cities because they hate him. And so 502 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: I think, to be the mayor of New York City, 503 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 4: you are almost the president of a country that has 504 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: to fight Trump. But at the same time, you know, 505 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: we had Zohr Mamdani on the show on The Joy 506 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 4: Reid Show, and he talked a lot about the stuff 507 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 4: he wants to do that is local because he knows 508 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: that he has to balance fighting Trump on immigration, letting 509 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: people have the freedom to ride and off d or 510 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: go to home depot and not get snatched, but at 511 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: the same time, make it so people can afford to 512 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 4: pay rent here, make it so people can afford to 513 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 4: live here, because people are leaving because they can't afford 514 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: to be in this great city. So he had a balance, 515 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 4: and I think Brad Lander we also interviewed same thing. 516 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: He's like, on the one hand, I can't let this 517 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: become like Nazi Germany. But on the other hand, we 518 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 4: gotta make sure people can eat and be afford to 519 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 4: ride the subway and be afford to be safe on 520 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 4: the subway. 521 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: We got to do the basics. 522 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: What do you think about Cuomo also running good? 523 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 3: God help us Jesus. I was thinking this of me 524 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: the other day. 525 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: New York is like, it's like a girlfriend that you 526 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: have that meets the most amazing men all the time 527 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 4: and goes right back in dates the asshole every day 528 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: in time. 529 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: New York is like that girl who. 530 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: They're like, oh my god, this guy was so good 531 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 4: to me, took me out, we had a great time. 532 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 3: Or are you gonna go out with the band now? 533 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out with Andrew Cuomo. 534 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I see it that they're saying that mom 535 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: Donnie is actually doing better than Cuomo so far. 536 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: So I hope. 537 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: So what they're saying. 538 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 4: The history of New York is like the other David Dinkins, 539 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: Damn new York. 540 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 3: It elects the worst people. What is happening? 541 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: You know what? 542 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: I want to ask you? What have you learned from like? 543 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: Cause I know you know, when you look back in 544 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: things in retrospect, it's different when you're in it. But 545 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: now that you look back on your time at MSNBC, 546 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: what are some things you would say you learned about 547 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: yourself and decisions. 548 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: I definitely learned and by the way, I can talk 549 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: about New York like that because I'm from Brooklyn, So 550 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 4: don't don't come at me. 551 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 3: Y'all out Brooklyn. 552 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 4: We can say, well, we've on Okay, use flat Bush. 553 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: The biggest thing I learned, and I thought about this 554 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 4: a lot since I left there. I learned that I 555 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 4: was all the way in the bubble, and that I 556 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: had encased myself in the bubble and I was not 557 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 4: seeing outside the bubble. 558 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: I am. 559 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 4: I pride myself on being a pretty savvy political analyst, 560 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: and I'm pretty clear eyed most of the time. But 561 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: I was not clear eyed going into twenty twenty four 562 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 4: because I was allowing the things I was seeing on 563 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: my MSNBC screen convinced me that that was the world 564 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: I was living in, Okay, and I wasn't seeing the anger. 565 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: Pece people had the real deep anger at the Democratic 566 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: Party on an existential level that would make them reject 567 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris. I thought, yeah, they're angry at Biden. I 568 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: didn't understand the deep anger was for the party itself 569 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: and its failures, especially on Gaza. I didn't see that 570 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: people were literally looking at Trump, not as the fool 571 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 4: that I was portraying him as and that I saw, 572 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: and that I could see in the uncut videos of 573 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 4: him talking that it seemed clear to me. But all 574 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 4: they were seeing was him as a paycheck, right, they 575 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: were seeing him. 576 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: As a check and also like a savior. 577 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: And a savior he was great at marketing himself correct 578 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: specific way. 579 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, a million people died because 580 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: of this dude. He was responsible for a million dead Americans. 581 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 4: No one's gonna lect him again. In my mind, I'm like, 582 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 4: they're never going to put him back again. They would 583 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: be crazy to do that. But people looked past the deaths. 584 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 4: They looked past their grandma's dying alone with an iPad. 585 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: They looked past his foolishness, his dumb foreign policy, his 586 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 4: treacherousness on Ukraine, all the things that we thought were important, 587 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 4: and all they saw with survival. And then for them, 588 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: he was their key to survival, and the Democrats were 589 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: their key, were the key to just. 590 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: The same old shit. 591 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: And if you give people the choice between ugly survival 592 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: and sort of like safe demise, they'll take ugly survival. 593 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: Right at least they feel like they have a chance somehow, 594 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: some way, do you consider yourself an activist because I 595 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: see people saying she is not a journalist, she's an activist, 596 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: Like you can't be both. 597 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: Right, I consider myself an activist journalist. In the frame 598 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: of Ida b Wells, Ida b Wells was a whole journalist. 599 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: She was uncovering lynchings that the New York Times wasn't, 600 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 4: uncovering the fact behind lynchings that the Chicago Tribune was missing. 601 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: She was picking up things that major national journalists could 602 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 4: not figure out. And she was doing that as an 603 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 4: activist and a journalist. And I think that, particularly in 604 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 4: a time of autocracy and fascism, if you're not an 605 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 4: activist journalist, you're not doing it right. 606 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: That's right, can you? 607 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I know on MSNBC, some things are we're 608 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 2: opinionated and it's not just straight reporting because people want 609 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: that right, they also want to hear that it does 610 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: help you sometimes look at things from a different point 611 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: of view, and so I think that's also a distinction 612 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: that you've had to make so that people can understand 613 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: sometimes it isn't just straight reporting. 614 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 4: Well, it's so the difference between us and Fox is 615 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 4: Fox or just I don't even know if it's their opinions. 616 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: They're just giving you Trump's opinion. They're doing whatever they 617 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 4: think that Trump voters will want to hear, right, And 618 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: they're doing that even when they paid had to pay 619 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars in a lawsuit 620 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: because they knew the election wasn't stolen. They're the ones 621 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: who called it first, but they lied to their audience 622 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 4: because they know their audience needs the dopamine. They need 623 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: the drug of Trump is right. 624 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 3: Trump is right. Trump is right, even if they don't 625 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: believe it. 626 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: I mean, Tucker Carlson says I love Trump, but he 627 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: was texting I hate Trump. 628 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: I hate him existentially. 629 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 4: I don't know which is true, because he'll say whichever 630 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 4: thing is the most important. 631 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: At the time, right that paycheck, keep that paycheck. 632 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 4: Whereas at MSNBC, we had a standards department and we 633 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 4: weren't just yapping. We actually were And then now we 634 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 4: were giving analysis and it was fact based based on facts, 635 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 4: based on facts. So we couldn't just get up and lie. 636 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 4: We weren't allowed. And I'll give you a perfect example. 637 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: The night that Biden had his very disastrous debate. Now 638 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 4: we knew what we saw right, and we could have 639 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: come out there and been like he did great, which 640 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 4: is what his surrogates did, right. Kam Lhers came out 641 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: and said he was fine. Gavin News came out and 642 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 4: said he was fine. But they were surrogates. Their job 643 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: was to say he was fine. And it was brilliantly done. 644 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: And some of our analysis was, sure, he didn't seem great, 645 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: but the other side is a Nazi. That's also a 646 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 4: valid point of view. He didn't seem like he was okay, 647 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 4: but the other side bringing fast choosing right. But we 648 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 4: were honest with our audience to the point where we 649 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: were getting beat up. Nicole Holson and I were talking 650 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 4: about were like we were getting the crap kicked out 651 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 4: of us on social media by our fans, by people 652 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: who love MSNBC because we were not carrying water for 653 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 4: Biden and we just weren't going to do that. 654 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: You know, It's different because I feel like when it 655 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: comes to Republicans, they will do that. 656 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 4: They will do that, yeah, and they know what they see. 657 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 4: Trump doesn't make no sense. Trump speaks and all I 658 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 4: hear and then but until they edit it and chop 659 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: that thing up, you do not I promise you will 660 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: not understand anything he says. I challenge people when Donald 661 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: Trump does a press conference or anything, don't listen to it, 662 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: read it, go back and get the transcript. You will 663 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 4: not understand what he's saying. His brain don't work good. 664 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 4: And y'all know it don't work good. You know that 665 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 4: he is sundowning, you know it. But they fix him 666 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: and they make him sound coherent. 667 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 3: When he gave his speech about invading. 668 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 4: I mean bombing and Ron, he said, and you know, 669 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: you know a lot of people didn't know those bombs 670 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: could do it. 671 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: Those bombs really did it. They did the thing, and 672 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: then the bombs did it and they know it. 673 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 4: And he's saying so I'm like, like, what, you're supposed 674 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: to be serious, and then he. 675 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: Goes, yeah, it's like a journalist's dream, but at the 676 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: same time, it's a nightmare because it's real life. 677 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: He's an idiot. 678 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 4: I mean, my Michael Wolfe was on our show. He 679 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: said he's an idiot savant and that's not a compliment. 680 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: No, it's not. And I love that you had Amber 681 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: reffing on the first episode. 682 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: I thought was that felt very like, Okay, this is 683 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: a great way to kick things off. 684 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: It was because she was serious about, you know, surviving 685 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: as a comedian in an autocratic system, and she's hilarious 686 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: and funny. 687 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: But we didn't want to come in just like heavy, 688 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 689 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: We were like, let's at least make you laugh a 690 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: little bit, because you have to laugh at this or 691 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: you're just gonna cry. 692 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: All the time. 693 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you, so what can we 694 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: expect as we're watching this? Because this is now, you 695 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: have the freedom to do whatever it is. And I 696 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: know on Fridays it's a good freestyle Friday, so people 697 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: can engage, ask questions, get those answers. But can you 698 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: just tell me, like what is your goal or what 699 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: would be your dream? 700 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: If? 701 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: Like people, if you could break it down for this 702 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: is what my show is about. 703 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: What my show is about, I would say, is trying 704 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 4: to make the ununderstandable mess that's happening in the world understandable, 705 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 4: right and bite size so you can get it, so 706 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 4: you can get it and move on with your life. 707 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: Right. 708 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 4: I want to make the horrible things that are happening 709 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: digestible so that we can understand what we're dealing with. 710 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 4: Because we got we have to face it. But also 711 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: I think you can't just steep yourself in the hell. 712 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: You have to have some fun. You have to have 713 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 4: some joy. So we're trying to balance facts, analysis and joy. 714 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's got to be some Like you said, 715 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: it does have to be balanced, because sometimes you can 716 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: some people choose not to engage at all, and you 717 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: can't do that, right, You can't not engage, you can't 718 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: not be involved. You have to know what's going on. 719 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it can't be like, you know, 720 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: dooms day feeling all the time. 721 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 4: That's right, en, I mean, and I you know, if 722 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: you've ever been to Cuba, So when President Obama briefly 723 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 4: opened the door for you to be able to travel 724 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 4: to Cuba, my husband and I were working on we 725 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: were doing some research for a documentary about boxing. And 726 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: you really can't do a documentary about boxing unless you 727 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 4: go to Cuba, because Cuba had such a profound influence 728 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: on American boxing in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and 729 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: so a lot of our research was about Cuba. 730 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: So we're like, okay, we'll go. We fined the thing. 731 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 4: We put our visa as research and we went Cuba 732 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 4: is fascinating because the way that people there respond to 733 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 4: dictatorship because they are under a dictatorship, is they don't 734 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 4: seem continuously depressed. They have these moments of joy. They 735 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: have no money, you know, Cuban food is delicious in Miami. 736 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 4: Not so gooding Cuba because they don't have no seasons, 737 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 4: They don't have anything, so you really can't even enjoy 738 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: it as a tourism experience. But they find ways to 739 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 4: be joyful. Like some of the knights in the place 740 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: where we were staying in Old Havana, they would just 741 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 4: throw a party in the middle of the square and 742 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 4: everyone's out there dancing, playing music. They found ways to 743 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: have joy because human beings cannot live in misery forever. 744 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: You know, even if you read Anne Frank's diaries, there's 745 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 4: the ways in which she was like being silly and 746 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: finding ways to amuse herself. It's like we as a people, 747 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 4: we will break down and be destroyed as humans if 748 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 4: we're just constantly miserable. And the Trump regime is both 749 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 4: terrifying but alsoridiculous, right, Like it's it's as stupid. 750 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 2: In other countries, like when you travel and people are like, 751 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: who am because you know, we see how to Tourism 752 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: is down. People are not trying to come here. Yeah, 753 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: and so it's going to affect us so much totally, like. 754 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: Totally, I mean, And the thing is what he's going 755 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: to do, And I think this is the reason that 756 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 4: this dictatorship won't last and won't succeed. Tourism is crashing. 757 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: People are not showing up to their farm jobs. So 758 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: it's going to hurt the farm industry. It's going to 759 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: make food expensives, construction more. Companies are not seeing their 760 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: workers show up. 761 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: And housings are already not affordable. 762 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 4: Not affordable, and so it's going to get even worse 763 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: because this country relies on the labor of undocumented people 764 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: and we're about to find out what it looks like 765 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: when they don't show up to work. It's going to 766 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 4: hurt all of us. It's gonna hurt everybody, including a 767 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: lot of people who voted for him. 768 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: Well you know what they say, FAFO. 769 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: Listen, The find out phase is always the hardest, but 770 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 4: it must come because you must find out. 771 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: You know, you ask for it, this is what you got. 772 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: What do you think when you see people like crying 773 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: on social media that voted for Trump, but now family 774 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: members are getting deported and things like that are happening 775 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: because I see a lot of people being like, what 776 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: y'all want from the store, you know, and the comments 777 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: and things like that. But I also feel like it 778 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: tends to be very divisive, yes at a time when 779 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: it does affect not just you know, less people Atlanta's, 780 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: but it does affect us too. 781 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 4: It affects everyone, And when I see that, I get 782 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: it on the one hand, but I think what you 783 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: have to realize is that they are just first. And 784 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 4: whenever this country has persecuted anyone, they always come back 785 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 4: to the Blacks. They always come back to the Jews, 786 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: always come back to the Muslims. You can laugh at 787 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 4: it if you want to, but he said he's coming 788 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 4: for the homegrowns, and the homegrowns means black people. And 789 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 4: so it's I feel sorry for the people getting deported, 790 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: regardless of how their family members voted, because I know 791 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 4: they themselves cannot vote and did not vote for this. 792 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: They are just here trying to live the same dream 793 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 4: my parents came here to live, the same American dream 794 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: my mother got to live to see her daughter, you know, 795 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 4: grow up and go to Harvard and be on TV 796 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: like she could have never even imagined that. She unfortunately 797 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 4: didn't live to see it, but she could have never 798 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 4: imagined it in one generation. Or Barack Obama's father, you know, 799 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: the idea that his baby boy would become president of 800 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 4: the United States. It's something really that could only happen 801 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 4: in the United States. And so there is a kernel 802 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 4: of something good here and Trump is trying to destroy it. 803 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: He's burning down this village because this village would not 804 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 4: give his warmth, give him its warmth. And so I 805 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 4: think that laughing at people who are the subjects of 806 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: a fascist dictator, it's only cute until you're the one 807 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 4: being dragged off into this, you know, dragged off into 808 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: the van, and you will be. He'll come for everyone. 809 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 4: He came for elon his paymaster. He'll come for all 810 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 4: of his maga people, all those people who think that 811 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 4: he's for them and that he loves them and he 812 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: cares about them. He doesn't care about any of them. 813 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 4: He'll burn it all down, including the people who love him. 814 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: And it feel good to say exactly what you want, yes, ma'am. 815 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: It showed it what's the next book going to be about? 816 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 4: So I am working on a book that is actually 817 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 4: about America turning two fifty and what a fascinating two 818 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years that has been. 819 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: M M cannot wait to see it. 820 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: Maybe Jump can have a parade for his birthday celebrating 821 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: that as well. 822 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 4: By the way, I have a working theory that part 823 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 4: of the reason that he's so pissy and bombing Iran 824 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 4: is that parade with a joke. 825 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 3: And he is mad about it. 826 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: I saw you kept being like, now but post a 827 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: little squeaky tank going down the block again one more time. 828 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, It's the only memory I will have of 829 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 4: that parade, the little squeaks. 830 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen joy Henry, Thank you so much, 831 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 2: and take care of congratulations. 832 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: Just so you know, I'm on your seb stack. 833 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: I'm subscribed so I can pay attention to everything that 834 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 2: you have going on and support you because a lot 835 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: of people were upset when that happened. But I am 836 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: excited for you to see your own platform and how 837 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: this is all going to turn out. But it's important 838 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: that everybody goes out and supports too. 839 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and I'm a big support of yours. 840 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 3: I was just telling my team. 841 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 4: I was like, listen, I'm going in there, and I'm 842 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 4: getting ready because this sister she's gonna in it view you, Okay, 843 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 4: she's gonna be prepared, and I'm like, let me get 844 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 4: ready because you are always prepared, a brilliant interviewer. 845 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 3: And I'm a big fan. 846 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. That was so nice. All Right, I appreciate it. 847 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: You got to come back. 848 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 849 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: I need I need you. 850 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 851 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: We need you. It's way up, way up.