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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number one sixty

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Speaker 1: two taine the show. We've got a special episode recorded

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Speaker 1: in front of a live in person audience, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about how to plan and execute d I Y

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Speaker 1: deer hunting trips with my friend and super successful deer

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Speaker 1: hunter Andy May. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by six Gear, and today

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Speaker 1: we have a very very special episode for you. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode was actually recorded last week in front of a

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Speaker 1: live studio audience down New Orleans as Louisiana for the

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Speaker 1: Quality Dear Management Association National Convention, and man it was

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Speaker 1: it was a super super cool event. Myself, my nine

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Speaker 1: Finger co host, and our special guest all flew down

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Speaker 1: to the Big Easy and at am last Friday, we

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Speaker 1: got up in front of a crowd of I guess

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Speaker 1: maybe a couple hundred people and we throw on our headsets.

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Speaker 1: We attempted to act semi professional even though I was

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Speaker 1: wearing flip flops, and we talked about planning and executing

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Speaker 1: a do it yourself whitetail hunting trip, and then when

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Speaker 1: we wrap that up, we answered some audience questions and

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Speaker 1: then spent the rest of the day checking out the

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Speaker 1: Sports on expo, talking to other deer hunters, eating some seafood,

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Speaker 1: and then later that evening we actually got to go

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Speaker 1: out with a bunch of Wired Hunt listeners at our

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt meetup, have some cold beverages, catch up, talk

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Speaker 1: about all sorts of good stuff. So overall, it was

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Speaker 1: just an awesome time. And Dan Dan is not on

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Speaker 1: the two of us will talk more about this experience.

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Speaker 1: But in short, I think we both had an absolute blast,

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Speaker 1: and you know, after doing the live recording, both of

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Speaker 1: us were so kind of jacked up about it. We

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Speaker 1: got us thinking about doing more of these kinds of

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Speaker 1: live events, So keep your ears tuned for more info

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Speaker 1: on stuff like this in the future. I think there

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Speaker 1: may be some cool things in store. But with that said,

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Speaker 1: for you guys listening today, for this episode, we brought

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Speaker 1: on a guest I've wanted to have on the show

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Speaker 1: for a very very long time, so I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: actual in studio recording or the in I don't know,

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Speaker 1: in front of an audience recording. But very briefly, if

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Speaker 1: you follow the wire hunt website for any amount of time,

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Speaker 1: you've probably seen some of the articles that this guest

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Speaker 1: I Y Dear hunter profile series he's been putting together

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Speaker 1: for us. But this guy is just a machine. And

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about my friend and d I Y Big

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Speaker 1: buck killer Andy May, So you know, if you're not familiar,

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Speaker 1: you are in for a treat on this one. As Andy,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I discuss all sorts of different topics related

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Speaker 1: and pulling off a successful hunt, and I think, honestly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff we talk about will actually be

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna enjoy this. So finally, before we

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Speaker 1: And now, without much further ado, we're going to take

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Speaker 1: about a memorable white tail hunt in Michigan where he

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Speaker 1: wasn't even behind the trigger. Okay, last fall, um, I

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Speaker 1: me happy. Um, I'm I'm perfectly happy. Uh, you know,

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00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: chasing good representative bucks for the area, and and there's

431
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: there's hunting pressure all you know, everywhere, but you know,

432
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: kind of go to those areas that are a little

433
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: less popular, a little less uh you know, kind of

434
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: more overlooked, not as publicized. You might find yourself, you know,

435
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: maybe not hunting quite a big as bigger bucks, but

436
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 1: you might have a little less pressure and you can

437
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: really kind of there's some areas that I've I've been

438
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: hunting for years and years and years, and it took

439
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, trial and error, but I

440
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: have them. Really, I'm really zoned in out a few locations,

441
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 1: and now I know that these properties, you know, when

442
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: the timing is right, um, through experience, through trail cameras,

443
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Now I know if I go

444
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: down at this time period with these conditions, you know,

445
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: I've I've routinely now been able to have success. So

446
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: then over years and years of experience, I've just been

447
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: able to kind of map that out in time, that

448
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: out over several different states. And I started looking into

449
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, started doing Kentucky to try to get something early.

450
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: And now I'm looking into some August seasons which aren't

451
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: really white toe related, but you know, I'm gonna do

452
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 1: my first antelope before school starts, so I start trying

453
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: to to find those. And then I always kind of

454
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: bank on, you know, io when I draw that tag,

455
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: that kind of takes precedence. And when I have hunted

456
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: Illinois a bunch, so I think, you know, jumping in

457
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: real quick, I think one of the things I look

458
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: forward to your point you mentioned earlier. You know, Iowa

459
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: get a lot of press obviously, great state. You're lucky man, um.

460
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: But some of these big name states that are always

461
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: on TV and everything, they have a lot more nonresident pressure,

462
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: more people trying to go in there where they have

463
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: a lot of outfitters, so it's harder for someone to

464
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: come in and try to get free access. UM. So

465
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: I've tended to do the same thing, trying to hunt

466
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: some of these states that aren't quite at that upper

467
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: echelon but still dramatically different than my home turf in

468
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: Michigan or even within like Iowa. Uh. The southern units

469
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: of Iowa famed for their big bucks and for the

470
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: opportunities down there, but that's also where all the outfitters are.

471
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: That's also where a lot of a lot of pressure is.

472
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: So I've tried to find different units within that state

473
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: that aren't nearly as popular but are still incredible, so

474
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: I can hunt there a lot more often. I can go,

475
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: and I can get access and hunt places for free,

476
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't think is possible. But

477
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: there's if you go these places where there's not hunters

478
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: of outfitters dozens of outfitters, you can still find free permission.

479
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: You can find public land with good hunting, and I

480
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: think you know we've demonstrated that in our own experiences.

481
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 1: That's absolutely possible. It just takes some work. Um, it's different,

482
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely possible. I think we can elaborate a

483
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: little bit on that to the gaining access right. And

484
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: one thing I am really good at is talking, schmoozing

485
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: schmoozing and talking to landowners and getting my foot into

486
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 1: a door and you know, in a way that they

487
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: can learn who I am. They can, you know, because

488
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: even though Iowa is a big buck state, there's still

489
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: and they're still high pressured public land. And I will,

490
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: believe it or not. So I don't own property. I

491
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: don't lease property. So I knock on doors and I

492
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: talk with these landowners. I ask them, you know, first off,

493
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm only a bow hunter. I don't I don't take

494
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: advantage of the gun season. So I tell them that

495
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: straight off the bat. I asked them if I could

496
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: shed hunt. I asked him if I can maybe turkey hunt,

497
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: or you know, I think that's just a great little hack,

498
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: right or or gaining access for mushrooms, which is the

499
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: hardest of everything, but you know, getting your foot in

500
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: the door, proving to your to them that you're a

501
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: good person. You're not gonna go drive on their wet

502
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: field destroy their property. And then at that point, year two,

503
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: you know you're one. You don't get permission. Year two

504
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: you do, year three you do establish that relationship. That's

505
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: a crusted That is such a great way to start

506
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: getting access to these places outside of your normal area. UM.

507
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I think it probably it goes a long way. Yeah,

508
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: like just just you know, being personal with them. UM.

509
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: I've we've had good luck just getting permission. You know,

510
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely gotten a lot harder. But um, you know,

511
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: especially kind of the older population, Like you know, people

512
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: are rude now and you know, don't really take the

513
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: time they want they want the land hunt and you

514
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: know they'll ask if they say no, then you know,

515
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: see you later, or you know they might just offer

516
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: a you know, a sum of money or something. But um,

517
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: you know what I found is that you know, if

518
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: if you're very polite and um, you know, you might

519
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: get told no, but you just take the time to

520
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: kind of to be personal with him. I've gotten permission

521
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: on an Iowa farm for a one day of chopping

522
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: wood for their wood burning. Um. I got permission on

523
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: an incredible um three hundred acre piece in Iowa. Um.

524
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: This there's this older gentleman and you know, he his

525
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: his family had his his wife had died, his kids

526
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: were out of state, very lonely. He lived in this

527
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: called an old Rundown house and a buddy and I

528
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: went up there and we knocked on his door, and

529
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, he he didn't say yes right away, but

530
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: he was very talkative. He could tell he just wanted company.

531
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: He wanted the company. So we sat there and we

532
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: talked with him, and he's talked. He's just talking about

533
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: a fence out back that was broken down that he,

534
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, couldn't get back to to repair it. So

535
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: my buddy Mike and I we helped him fix that up. Um.

536
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: And then you know, after that, he invited in his

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: home and he's telling us, you know, his life story,

538
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a hot situation. But you know,

539
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: he was showing pictures of his family and stuff, and

540
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: he could just tell he just really wanted there, you know.

541
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: And and then and then after that, he invites us

542
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: out for burgers in town. So we went and got

543
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: some burgers. We noticed that he, you know, he was

544
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: an avid sprite drinker. So he long story short, he

545
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: ended up giving us permission. You know at the end,

546
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: at the end, you know we did, uh we threw

547
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: him a little out of money, um, not much, and

548
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: we we brought him a bunch of sprite, and you know,

549
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: he was just was just really happy. Um he was.

550
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: He welcomed us onto his property, excited for us to

551
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: have there, and he had actually turned down several outfitters

552
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: that had offered him money. And uh, so you know,

553
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: there is still opportunities out there to get permission if

554
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: you're persistent about it. I actually go into those situations

555
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: with a very long list of people that I want

556
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: to ask permission, but also with the public lands that

557
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: you know that I'm in a key on and that's

558
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of where I I focus my area, so so

559
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: on the private land piece. Really quickly, I want to

560
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: run through kind of my process for how and I

561
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: think we all kind of use a similar process. Um. Basically,

562
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at is if I pick a general area,

563
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: Let's say, all right, I want to hunt southern Ohio

564
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and somewhere in this neck of the woods. Because I've

565
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: got a friend nearby that says it's good. Let's just

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: hypothetically say, then I'm gonna go and there's a lot

567
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: of online resources right now where you can go, and

568
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: you can see a plat map basically that shows all

569
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: the property parcels, the property owners, the border information, and

570
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: you can have that overlaid over an aer aerial map,

571
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: so you can see what these properties look like from

572
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: a cover standpoint, from a terrain standpoint, and then you

573
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: can see, okay, which properties actually hold this cover I

574
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: want or whatever it might be that looks like it

575
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: could be, you know, positive for deer um. And then,

576
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: like you said, I'll put together a long list of

577
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: these landowners and their addresses. And then for me, the

578
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: way I like to do it is I need, I

579
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: need to get wrong with it. I'm not like you

580
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: like I get. I get nervous before having to go

581
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: on there knock on the door. And I think a

582
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of people that's uncomfortable, that's intimidating. So for me,

583
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: that first door knock is kind of brutal. But if

584
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: I have a list of fifteen of them, and I

585
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: just tell myself today I'm doing it, knock on fifteen

586
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: doors today, I don't care. How lous do you feel

587
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: about it? Mark, I don't care that you've got pit stains.

588
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna knock on fifteen doors and you're just gonna

589
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: do it. And so the first one I'm like, oh jeez,

590
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: and they that's fine. And the second one is a

591
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: little better, and the third one is a little better,

592
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: and then it's snowballs and by like twelve thirteen four.

593
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: It's a long day. It's a lot of work, but

594
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: it's a numbers game. I think getting permission these days,

595
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people get frustrated because

596
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: they hear, okay, yeah, you can get free permission if

597
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: you knock on the doors and still knock on a

598
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: door and they get to know and I'm like, this

599
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: is it was horrible. If I had your face, I

600
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: would get every door that I knocked at now if

601
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: you had this go so. So for example, in Iowa

602
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: several years ago, I know I know where to hunt,

603
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: but I want to try to get access. So I

604
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: did this. I took good day. I had fourteen addresses

605
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: on a list, and I took you know, it was

606
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: like twelve hours. I knocked on fourteen doors and had

607
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: also of situations like that. I had lots of nose

608
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: but then I had lots of people who just want

609
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: to chat and we started talking and we kept talking

610
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: and talking. By the end of it, two different farm

611
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: owners said yes, and I had a total of actually

612
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: acres to hunt for free in Iowa, and it was

613
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people think that's possible,

614
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: but it is. UM. So that's kind of a process

615
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: from a private land access standpoint, getting that list. Knocking

616
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: on those doors another thing I always do. I don't

617
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: know if this has worked for you, Andy, but whenever

618
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: you're talking to someone, even if they say no, I

619
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: always ask do you happen to anyone else I should

620
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: chat with? Is there anyone else in the area would

621
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: be worth, you know, catching up with? And so many

622
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: times like wow, Joe around the corner, might he lets

623
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: one guy in gun season? Most of my leads have

624
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: come from something like that, gaining knowledge of the area.

625
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: And one more thing to touch on that before we

626
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: move on is keeping that relationship. So I have a

627
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: in Iowa. I have had permission on this one farm

628
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: UM for probably going on eight to ten years, and

629
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I call him on the phone. I sent him a

630
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Christmas card with usually like a Walmart gift card because

631
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: that's where they do their shopping. Um, when we go

632
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: down there, we're you know, we go into their home.

633
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: We spend an hour or two talking to them and

634
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: seeing how they're doing, and uh, you know, you kind

635
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: of take care of them and and and show them

636
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: how much you appreciate that, and that you respect their

637
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: property and and just really appreciate, you know, the kindness

638
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: that you're given. And that goes a long way. There's

639
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: been several other people on many, many parcels that have

640
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: had permission with me that are gone. But you know,

641
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: I rarely lose one, unless like something gets leased out

642
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: from rom or something like that. But you know, you

643
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: take the time, you know, several times a year to

644
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: stop in and talk to him, bring him some fresh walleye,

645
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, caught out a lake eries, you know, stuff

646
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: like that. Just people don't do that anymore. And I

647
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: think to that point an important thing to know when

648
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: it comes to try a trip like this and out

649
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: of state hunt, whether it's hundred miles from home or

650
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: from home, there's something to be said for the prep

651
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: work and that Let's say you've got seven vacation days

652
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: to the year, you're gonna work with. You could either

653
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: take all seven of those days for the actual hunt,

654
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: or you could take one of those and go out

655
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and February or March or June and do a day

656
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: like this where you try to get access or where

657
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: you scout the land on foot. And I think you'd

658
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: be much better set up if you take that, if

659
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: you find a way to make the trip beforehand and

660
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: get access or look at public land or whatever it

661
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: might be, UM, versus trying to show up on day one,

662
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to get permission by phone or

663
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's very difficult to really figure out

664
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: a property, UM without seeing it. Now you can't do

665
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: it with with maps these days. UM. But that's what

666
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk about next. I want to talk about.

667
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's say we we found an area we went

668
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: down in in February, knocked on a lot of doors,

669
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: got permission, or there's a piece of public land that

670
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: looked good on the map. UM. I'm curious next, how

671
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: you go through this, how you start that scouting process. UM.

672
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I do a lot of scouting, like I said, online,

673
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: looking at maps, figuring things out from a high level UM,

674
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: and then you go from there. You go you kind

675
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: of ground trouth it. But what's your process andy, Um,

676
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm definitely a map freak. Um. I have

677
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, uh binders of each state with the properties

678
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: that I hunt, the properties that I plan on hunting,

679
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: and the proper backup properties you know, public, you know, private,

680
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I have you know, the aerials,

681
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and then I have, um, the the topo maps and

682
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I do I really zone in

683
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: on that. But for me personally, I can find out

684
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: the obvious stuff, like the stuff that probably everyone in

685
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: this room can find, which is what your your typical funnels. Um.

686
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, you' somebody. It's very easy to to see

687
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: like river crossings um. Now with Google maps and stuff,

688
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: you can zone and you can actually find deer trails

689
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: um you know, and see where there's a lot of

690
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: intersecting trails um, you know, betting areas you know, and

691
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: depending on the type of habitat, very easy to see

692
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: and predict. Um. So what I find more for me personally,

693
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I get I get more um detail with boots on

694
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: the ground. So I always try to and it helps

695
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: because these states aren't terribly far from me. Montana would

696
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: be hard to do this, um, but I like to

697
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: get out there in the spring, early spring, you know,

698
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: after the snow melt, but before green up, especially if

699
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm planning like a rut, a pre rut rut trip

700
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: late October, you know, early November, maybe that second week

701
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: in November. That's when that sign is really visible. You know.

702
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: You can see the rubs, you can see the scrapes,

703
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: you can see the trails. Everything is, you know, was

704
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: just made a few months ago. You can really dial

705
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: in and see where kind of everything comes together and

706
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: really pick out those high percentage spots. So for me,

707
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: boots on the ground is as as a kind of

708
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: a necessity, and to be honest with you, for me,

709
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: that's like just part of the enjoyment of it. I

710
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: like that as much I like trying to scout and

711
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: figure out dear and going on these adventures in brand

712
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: new areas where I don't even know what's their success

713
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: or not. I actually enjoy that maybe more than actually

714
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: getting getting a buck on the ground, you know what

715
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean. I just I've really come I've just become

716
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: addicted to that constant stimulation of new you know, put

717
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: me in an unfamiliar area with the bow in my

718
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: hand and the wind in my face, and it's like, yeah,

719
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm always impressed of all the people I know, I

720
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: hear that. Oh and he's going a new spot and

721
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: it's like within three days or four, bam, he's got

722
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: one down. Like you're you seem very adept at finding

723
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: those high as locations very quickly and being able to

724
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: key in on them at the right times. And you

725
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to a few of the specific things,

726
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: but can you give us like a specific example of

727
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: a time where you showed up at a property you

728
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: did you're scouting, you said, Okay, X and Y are

729
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: the right spots for my rut trip or whatever, and

730
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: how that worked out. Okay, So like if I was

731
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: going on a rut trip, you know, again, I picked

732
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: the you know, on the map, I kind of zone

733
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: in on some obvious spots. But by getting boots on

734
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: the ground, and I think, just, um, you know, well,

735
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: by boots on the ground, I can really zone in

736
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: on an area. We talked a little bit about the

737
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: spot within the spot, like guys can pick out funnels, um,

738
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, and they're they're great spots. They produce UM

739
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: and what I found is a lot of times there's

740
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: there's there's funnels or or downwind of like a dough

741
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: betting area during the rut can be dynamite, but there

742
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: will be an actual like a tree or a very

743
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: small location that is the spot within the spot. When

744
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: I say that, like, for instance, I'll give you an example. Um,

745
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: there's a spot in There's a three of them that

746
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: come jump right into my head, but one in Iowa. UM.

747
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: When we went in the spring and we scouted, um,

748
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: we found this. Um, there's this ridge system that kind

749
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: of there's you know, a ridge point that comes down

750
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: this way, a ridge point that comes down this way,

751
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: at a ridge point that comes down this way. So

752
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: we got a lot of things converging. Typically you don't

753
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: want to hunt low in a ridge type country because

754
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: the wind swirls. Well, this situation was different and I

755
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: found it out through you know, hunting it and a

756
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: lot of trial and airror. But the bottom was so

757
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: wide that I could with a certain direction get some

758
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: pretty steady wind. If it was coming over the ridge,

759
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: you get all kinds of you know, every deer that

760
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: comes down in that area will smell you. But this

761
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: one direction, because of the wide bottom. It would blow

762
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: me right up this way. Now it would cut me

763
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: off this way, which deer would come from sometimes. But

764
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: again I'm I'm in the in the rut in Iowa.

765
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: You know, deer coming from a lot of different directions. Um. So,

766
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: but this this spot in scouting that really stood out.

767
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: There was a lot of big rubs, so we knew

768
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: so there was some big deer in the area, and

769
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: there was a very big, giant primary scrape right there

770
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: surrounded by perimeter coverter our perimeter cover, um just kind

771
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: of your your text book, um, like early November, late October,

772
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: big big scrape and perimeter where it's like, man, this

773
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: is this is the spot. I'm gonna kill him here.

774
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: So you know, we hunted that spot and we we

775
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: killed deer. They're like, you know, we'd see we'd see

776
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: some bucks come down the ridge and about half of them,

777
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: half of the deer we saw came by the spot.

778
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: But then what I noticed over experience, and it took me,

779
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: it took me some some time to develop this. What

780
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: I noticed is that fifty percent of the deer we're

781
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: coming through here, but right over there, fifty yards away,

782
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: nine pent of the deer went by that and there

783
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: was no sign there that pointed that out. There was

784
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: no rub or scrape or anything like that. It was

785
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: the way the terrain worked. And you know, you go

786
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: in there in the spring because these bucks are cruising,

787
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: there's no beat down trails. Really, there's some faint stuff,

788
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: but this is stuff that happens very briefly in the season,

789
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, during the during the cruising phase and um

790
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: of the rut, so you don't get that beat downside.

791
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: But what it was is that's the terrain. The way

792
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: the terrain worked. It funneled everything down that point, even

793
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: though there was no specific sign there that screamed out

794
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: at you. So what we did is we moved a

795
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: tree stand over there and that you know, that was

796
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the trip um where I think you were in Ohio

797
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: and I was in Iowa. This is exactly one of

798
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: the scenarios. I was frustrated in Ohio. You're having a

799
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: tough time and and frustrated, and um I sat for

800
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: the first day in Iowa. UM sat in that spot.

801
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: We waited for the right timing. It was November six

802
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: and ten thirty in the morning, a nice twelve point

803
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: was split. Brows came down and just like just like

804
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: every other buck cruising through that area, almost every other

805
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: buck crossed her that spot, and you wouldn't know it

806
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: if unless you were really observant. You thought back, um

807
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: about a lot of previous hunts and what you saw

808
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: and what my hunting partners had saw and told me, I,

809
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm able to um. One thing that

810
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: I've noticed that I'm that I'm able to do is

811
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: like the information kind of stays in here, I'm able

812
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: to pull it back pretty quickly. Good recall, Yeah, good recall.

813
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: And then you know, when a friend sits there or

814
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: or anybody that hunts down that area, I'm I'm constantly

815
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: asking questions because I want to learn turn from them too.

816
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: So and what we found out is just that spot,

817
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: it just kind of everything came together there and uh,

818
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: it's turned into one of those spots. If you if

819
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: you go there November five, it's November ten and you

820
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: sit in that spot with that wind, you're you're going

821
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: to kill a good buck. There's no I mean, you're

822
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna get a crack at one. I mean you might

823
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: blow the shot, but there's a It's just one of

824
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: those spots and now and now you know, I've found

825
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: several of those in different different areas. I think something

826
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned though, is really important uniquely on one of

827
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: these types of trips, because I think when you're hunting

828
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: your own land and you hunt there often, you can

829
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: learn this stuff over a long period of time and start,

830
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: like you said, like you're in the process on your

831
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: Eyowa property, you're fine tuning. You know that, Okay, next year,

832
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shift it a little that way. I saw

833
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: this and that when you're on a trip like this,

834
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: when you have four days or seven days, you go,

835
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: like you said, you do some pre game scouting if

836
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: you can, and then you start out and you have

837
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: to make game time decisions very quickly. You have to

838
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: be much more aggressive on a type of trip like

839
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: that because you have a short time for him to

840
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: get done. So I think your example there, you've got

841
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: a great spot. You're thinking this is terrific, and you

842
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: though see that a significant percentage is there. It's only

843
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: maybe a fifty yard difference. And maybe if this is

844
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: my own property that I was gonna be hunting a lot,

845
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'll stick it out here a while longer.

846
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: See how it goes next year and make a shift.

847
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: When you're on a trip like this, you don't have

848
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: that luxury, right you have to, at least in my

849
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: opinion and from a lot of people I talked to

850
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: have similar experiences like this. You need to get aggressive

851
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: with making that decision now and moving because you're on

852
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: a short time frame. Everything needs to be accelerated on

853
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: a trip like this, so at least from real quick.

854
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: At least when I'm starting a trip like this, you know,

855
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: whether it be early season or the rut, I'll start.

856
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll scout if I can. In the Montana situation, I

857
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: didn't get to do any physical scouting. I just looked

858
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: at maps and did a drive by, and then I

859
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: went into it, said, okay, first hunt of that trip observation,

860
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be somewhere I can see as far as

861
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I possibly can and try to learn something by way

862
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: of that um and then I'm gonna all right. I

863
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: know that I'm gonna hang a stand the first night,

864
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: and if it's not exactly where I need to be,

865
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: I know that day two I need to shift. In

866
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: day three, I need to shift and keep moving. Or

867
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I know some guys that do trips like this where

868
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: day one they don't even hunt, they just do a

869
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: full day of scouting, and they'll do stuff that a

870
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: lot of people would think is crazy, that managed landing.

871
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: If you let's say, you know my ninety acre farm

872
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: in Michigan, I hunt the most. I keep like half

873
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: of that like completely off limits, have a sanctuary. I'm

874
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: not going to go in there. But if I only

875
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: had four days to hunt this property all year, and

876
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: if I never went into more than the property with

877
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: only four days of AWL, well I'm probably not gonna do.

878
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to see those opportunities. So

879
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: what this guy, Eric Piser I'm thinking of right now.

880
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: He'll go on day one, he'll walk at all, specifically

881
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: during the rut, so he knows he's gonna bump some deer,

882
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: and that's gonna make a lot of people cringe's people

883
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: just don't go through the betting ears. But he does

884
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: that knowing that, yes, I'm going to damage something within

885
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: this area, but there's other people hunting already, maybe it's

886
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: public land. But he's able to learn really important data

887
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: that he can use over the next four days and

888
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: in a rut hunt situation where you've got a lot

889
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: of deer coming in now you can you can get

890
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: away with that, So you need to know what you

891
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: can get away with. Like I knew in my my

892
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: Montana trip. It was early September, and I knew that

893
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: they would be very sensitive to pressure. So I was

894
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna stay off on the edges. I was gonna watch

895
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: and then make very calculated moves every day. But I

896
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: knew if I blasted into the bedding air or something,

897
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: it became over. So Day one I set up, I watched.

898
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Day two went from a different angle start of fine

899
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: tune where I had beaten on day three, and the okay,

900
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: based on what I learned day one and two, I

901
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: gotta be just a little bit closer into the spot

902
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: set up in there and four thirty here he came

903
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: filled the tag um. But I think a lot of

904
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: people would be afraid to make those moves. And and

905
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: that's what I mean, even that biggest on the shorter hunts,

906
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: whether it's a spot in stock or a tree stand hunt,

907
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: I've always been on a conservative type hunter. Set up

908
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: those observation stands and try to wait him out or

909
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: sit in a pinch pointer of funnel and wait him

910
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: out right, not necessarily in all day sit because I

911
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: hate sitting all day year old have bad knees. But um,

912
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: you know time it's from a day standpoint, all right,

913
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: this buck hasn't been in here for two days. The

914
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: third day he might come in or you know, making

915
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: sure my access route it is right. But on a

916
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: on a those shorter hunts, it's gonna be let's say

917
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: it's a four day hunt. Day three, you haven't made

918
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: a move. You're you've just realized that, oh crap, I

919
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: need to get something done, or this was just another

920
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: scouting mission. So it forces you to be aggressive and

921
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: developed different hunting skills. Absolutely, and like we like we

922
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: said the earlier, I think forcing yourself into these situations

923
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: makes you better hunter back home because you're constantly working

924
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: on a new puzzle, right, and you learn things throughout that.

925
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: So so what else for you when you're when you're

926
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: figuring out these new properties when you're in there, you

927
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: mentioned doing that pre preseason scouting and you're kind of

928
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: launching it rate you're you're trying to spot your adjusting.

929
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: Are there any other common setups or things that you're

930
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: thinking about? Maybe maybe we haven't talked about trail cameras,

931
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: how you might may or may I use those on

932
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: these types of hunts. Is there anything else as far

933
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: as executing this hunt that is important to how you're

934
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: you're having success? Um? I think the biggest The biggest

935
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: thing is is getting out there and doing it and

936
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: over time, pick pick an area, um, you know, make

937
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: sure that there's some quality here there that you're gonna

938
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: be happy pursuing. And then and then really learn that

939
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: area and and go go as often as you can,

940
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: scout as much as you can. Um that some of

941
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: those farms in Iowa and Kentucky and in Illinois, like

942
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: I know them, I've hunted them, and I've I've killed

943
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: big deer on them. Yeah, I still want to go

944
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: scout him every year in the spring because there's that

945
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: that one thing that might get me in just a

946
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: little bit better spot or or find another spot that's

947
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of like this. So, you know, when you start

948
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: to learn those properties intimately, I think that's when you

949
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: can really you know, dial it in where you can

950
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: get it done on a on a shorter hunt. Now,

951
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: like you brought up eric pics are and being aggressive

952
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: and stuff like you know, I hunt very SIMI learned

953
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: to him. And you know, when we're on these trips,

954
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: we're not hunting a specific buck. So you know, if

955
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: you own ground and you're you know, you got you know,

956
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, Big Louis, that's one a d and you

957
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: don't you you probably don't want to do that, right

958
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: but so but but like I said, I go there

959
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: um with the attention. I'm very happy shooting a good

960
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: representative buck, a nice pope and young buck. You know,

961
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: we've we've killed much bigger. But you know, a good

962
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: solid deer you know, makes me happy. And and that's

963
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: what it's all about. You know, you just gotta find

964
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: what type of hunter you are and what what what

965
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: kind of drives you and what stimulates you and makes

966
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: you happy. So you mentioned Kentucky and last year at

967
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: the same time I was on that hunt, I just

968
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Montana. You were in Kentucky and you got thrown

969
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: into a situation where you had to hunt new areas

970
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and you had to figure it out. We kind of

971
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: had sort of similar hunts and and that you were

972
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: able to figure it out and things came together. Can

973
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: you describe that situation a little bit? How you know,

974
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the challenge you had there and how you adjusted and

975
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: were able to get some spots and make it happen. Yeah.

976
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: I started out um with on public land, UM and

977
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: I was literally this was a kind of different than

978
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: most of the time. Most of the time I would

979
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: I would go and do some pre scouting be because

980
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: but because it was early season, um, and I didn't

981
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: have time to uh at you know, at home and everything,

982
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to really go out and do

983
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: much like glassing and that kind of thing. So I

984
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: just kind of went and I just was like, you know,

985
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just do this. I went to I was

986
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: planning on going to an area that I was somewhat

987
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: familiar with, ended up in a different area because this

988
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: one public piece that I had hunted in the past

989
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: actually moved there opening day back, which was kind of weird.

990
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't on the traditional Kentucky opening day, so I

991
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: was forced into a new area. UM and you know,

992
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: stand on my back and I was just kind of

993
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: scouting and I was going off, you know, just prior

994
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: knowledge looking, you know, trying to get in deep where

995
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: you're a little unpressured, moving a little more freely looking

996
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: at sign that was right now signed because it is

997
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: early season, like the sign that I was seeing is

998
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: is right now and by a little island air. On

999
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: day two, UM, in the evening, UM, I saw a

1000
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: very large buck UM. I don't know how big. He

1001
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: was a very large buck on public land. UM. And

1002
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: then I set up on him the next evening and

1003
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: he didn't show up. And then I kind of had

1004
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: had a couple of slow hunts in between, so I

1005
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: was kind of regrouping and I was driving down. I

1006
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: got out of there, and I was regrouping, and I

1007
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 1: saw some deer crossing this like CRP type ground UM,

1008
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of rolling hills, large CRP and I could just

1009
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: see and I could see one of them had a

1010
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: rack and it looked like they were going into this

1011
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: piece of timber kind of angle back towards this river bottom.

1012
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, you know what, I had

1013
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: the on X maps. That's a great tool. UM could

1014
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: immediately find the landowner's name address. Oh, it's right here.

1015
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: So I just stopped UM, asked permission, UM, and he

1016
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: said that there's some guys that come down that that

1017
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: that hunt during the rut, but no one is there

1018
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: during not right now. So he he said he would

1019
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: work with me on like a kind of like a

1020
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: daily trespass fee, very four wild, very cheap, and I

1021
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, Okay, I just figured I'll

1022
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: try it, so gave him a little bit of money.

1023
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Um got to stand on my back, kind of headed

1024
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: back towards where I saw those deer going and there

1025
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: was a secluded hayfield that was freshly cut there probably

1026
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: maybe a week of growth, and there the deer were

1027
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: really hammering. I was immediately saw like a lot of

1028
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: deer tracks, so I started kind of circling the field,

1029
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: seeing some dough and fawn tracks. Then I saw a

1030
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: couple of buck tracks while as I was getting around

1031
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: in this backside. Then the tracks really started accumulating and

1032
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I saw some really good sized tracks, so I know there,

1033
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: I knew there was a an older buck hitting this field. Now,

1034
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: knowing what I know about you know, food sources and

1035
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: the way thermals work, you know, dear like to enter

1036
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: those types of fields in the low spot typically, So

1037
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: there was a low spot across the field. I started

1038
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: edging my way there and checked the wind the whole time.

1039
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: I found a spot where the wind was iffy. Um,

1040
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: But I thought I could make it work. It was

1041
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: going to be kind of a risky deal. I found

1042
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: a tree set up and um, that evening had some

1043
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: deer come out, and the wind was kind of just

1044
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: teetering on like busting me or being just off and

1045
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: that that that deer came out and he literally he

1046
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: had the wind. He was smelling the field and I

1047
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: was twenty five yards this way and he was I

1048
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: was just missing him. I mean, it's it's what you want, um,

1049
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: I kinda I got a little lucky with the stand

1050
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: location and and but he he came out of that

1051
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: field right in that low spot, and I arrowed him

1052
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: in the field. And I'm not a field edge hunter typically, um,

1053
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: but it's Kentucky. It was early season. No one had

1054
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: been out there. I didn't see a single boot track.

1055
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: I knew the pressure was low, so I had a

1056
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: good feeling I was going to see some deer and

1057
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want I didn't know how being familiar with

1058
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: the property, didn't know how far in they were betted,

1059
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to go in there. Too far,

1060
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't have have anything trimmed. I didn't want to go

1061
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: in there hacking. So I sat where I had a

1062
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: little shot into the woods, a little shot to that

1063
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: low spot. And I think you were conservative in that

1064
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: because you didn't know you wanted hang back a little

1065
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: bit observed, but you're also willing to take a risk

1066
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: from the windsday point, which usually if I'm in a

1067
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: premier location, I'm you know, I don't want to risk

1068
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: blowing deer out. But when you've got four days, you

1069
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: need to work with what you've got, and sometimes that's

1070
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: hell Mary's. Sometimes that's swinging for the fences. In this case,

1071
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: it worked out. I'm very I think, you know, on

1072
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: these short trips or out of state trips, like being aggressive.

1073
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: You know you you gotta be aggressive, and you know

1074
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: out of the deer I've shot, you know, I was

1075
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: trying to work it out in my head, but it's

1076
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: something like n or killed on that first sit. So

1077
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: I like fresh sits and I like aggressive sits. I

1078
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: don't do a lot of observation sits on those out

1079
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: of state trips because you know, I'm just now. If

1080
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna go early season, ideally i'd get there

1081
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: a few days early, trying to identify a deer to

1082
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: go after, but just the way that the thing worked

1083
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: last year. It was like I was going and I

1084
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: was hunting that next morning. So that's that's an important point.

1085
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: And I think Dan, you can speak to this too.

1086
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, all three of us utilize this type of technique.

1087
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: And when you're hunting in this kind of way new

1088
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: properties where you don't, you're not able to go in

1089
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: there and have a bunch of tree stands pre hume,

1090
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: you're not able to have the property mapped out just

1091
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: the way you want it. So you need to as

1092
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned, going with a stand on your back, running gun,

1093
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: running gun and make it happen. Um, we all utilize

1094
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: that type of setup. I'm curious maybe, Dan, if you

1095
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: want to walk through first your your thoughts on how

1096
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: you manage that. How do you what kind of basic

1097
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: equipment or how's your setup to be able to get

1098
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: in hanging stand the day of and not spook every

1099
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: deer out there? Right? I am a you know, just

1100
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: like you guys first time in best time in title

1101
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: of hunter. Uh. And then from there, if you go

1102
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: back to the same stand, you're gonna see less dear

1103
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: and less dear and less dear. So from an equipment standpoint,

1104
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: something light, something that's gonna get me, uh high enough

1105
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: to shoot but not too high that and it a

1106
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on the time of year. So

1107
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: if let's say it's early season and I do a

1108
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: running gun on a buck, maybe I saw still on

1109
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: a summer pattern. Um, I need to get and I'm

1110
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: not gonna go high as yeah low, So I'm not

1111
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: trimming so many shooting lanes because they're still leaves on

1112
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: the tree. As the season progresses and the leaves start

1113
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: falling off off the tree, I'll go up a little

1114
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: bit and I'll make sure I'll have have a pulse

1115
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: all with me right or a saw where I don't

1116
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: necessarily need to shoot. I mean some there's some guys

1117
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: in Heroes cut shooting lanes. Is why does this room.

1118
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I won't do that little pockets and focus on maybe

1119
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: one trail or two trails you know in that in

1120
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: that pinch point, but a lightweight hang on stand with

1121
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: sticks and uh, I'm a huge fan of the lone

1122
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Wolf tree stand in the stick system that they have.

1123
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: There's others out there that can do similar things. And uh,

1124
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, for me, first time in best time in

1125
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for, uh a good area where I'm

1126
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: looking for the right tree. So my setup has to

1127
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: be able to fit. You know, some times those trees

1128
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: are crooked. Sometimes those trees are not telephone poles, right,

1129
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: So I I want to have equipment that's going to

1130
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: allow me to set up in the not ideal tree.

1131
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty consistent thing with a lot

1132
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: of people that do these kinds of trips is that

1133
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: they utilize that set up and they have the sticks

1134
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: and stand climbers can work, but you're a little bit

1135
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: more restrained trees, so having a hang on, a lightweight

1136
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: hang on stand you can throw on your back, having

1137
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: climbing sticks, and I think something we all do as

1138
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: well is we try to silence those tree stands in

1139
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: some way and your sticks, so put duct tape or

1140
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: hockey tape or some type of cloth to find where

1141
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: those contact points. So before we move on, we need

1142
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: to pause briefly for work from our partners at White

1143
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: Tail Properties, and today we've got a great segment on

1144
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: a topic that really related to what we've been talking

1145
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: about here with Marcus Spencer. New Heart will take it

1146
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: from Noise and you obviously don't want to be spooking

1147
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: the doughs that are better right there that you're hoping

1148
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: are going to pull on that buck. Let's say. So

1149
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: you need to be able to go in there with

1150
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: as best as a possible chance to do it quietly, stealthily.

1151
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: And so I think preparing your equipment, having a process.

1152
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: I think practicing doing this kind of thing is good

1153
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: if you don't hunt this way often, Like go out

1154
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: there in the summer with your sticks and stand and

1155
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: practice setting up. Have a have a plan of how

1156
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all four of your sticks up there,

1157
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: how you're going to get them off your backpack, how

1158
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull up your tree stand. Because it is

1159
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: different than doing it in it's June. Yeah, it's all

1160
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: about eliminating mistakes and uh, you know a little clank

1161
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: on your tree stand that could be the end of it.

1162
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: You know, conficiency could ruin your hunts. So um, like

1163
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: Mark said, you know a light tree stand, um sticks,

1164
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: some guys use a tree saddle. I use a tree

1165
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: saddle quite a bit. Um and then silencing your equipment.

1166
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: There's a great company called Stealth Outdoors Um, and they

1167
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: make these things called stealth strips and they're pre cut

1168
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: strips that are are there kind of spongy and they're

1169
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: they're pre cut to fix fit your sticks. And he

1170
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: sticks you have, he makes several different sizes your low

1171
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: wolf tree stands. You know, I have all my gear.

1172
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's, there's enough, and that's gonna if

1173
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: I drop something or it swings down, and it's gonna

1174
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: be adulphood, it's not gonna cost me a hunt. And

1175
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I eliminate those mistakes. Um. And then, like Dan said,

1176
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: you know a process of hanging your sticks, hanging your stand,

1177
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: being able to do it efficiently with very little movement,

1178
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: very little um chance of noise, and efficiently quiet, very quiet.

1179
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: I practiced that, and I've gotten real good at being

1180
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: able to get up in a tree stand. Once you

1181
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: find that tree, it should be you should be on

1182
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: autopilot from there and you don't have to think. All

1183
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: you have to do is go up the tree. Yeah.

1184
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: I think it's funny. Um, when you think about this

1185
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: kind of trip compared to like the when you think

1186
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: of the amount of preparation and work that someone puts

1187
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: into a property hunt every year, I mean food plots

1188
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: and hinge cutting and clearing out access lanes and hanging

1189
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: fifteen tree stands. That's a lot of work. And maybe

1190
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: you might assume that when you're going on a d

1191
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I Y trip. Well, these guys sound that they're running

1192
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: out their haphazard throwing tree stands up the day of.

1193
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like the same amount of work and

1194
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: amount of preparation goes into it. But this is different.

1195
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: It's different. You need to prepare your tree stand ahead

1196
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: of time. Um In these types of ways, you need

1197
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: to do a lot of scouting, but in a different way.

1198
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: It's back home on your computer. Um Or it's six

1199
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: months ahead of time on that one day you can

1200
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: drive out there. Um Or it's thinking through a game plan, knowing, Okay,

1201
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm showing up on November three, and I have a plan.

1202
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: I know that day one, I'm gonna try here, and

1203
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna iterate and I don't adjust, just and

1204
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: you and you go into it. I think knowing these things,

1205
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: being prepared, however, you possibly can to know. Number one,

1206
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: there's gonna be adversity, there's gonna be challenges. Things aren't

1207
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: gonna go the way I want them to, probably, But

1208
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: I have a plan for what to do. I love

1209
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: the idea of the fact that you have backup properties.

1210
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: I think that's really smart. Go like, if you're gonna

1211
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: drive ten hours to go to Nebraska and you only

1212
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: have one place to hunt, and you show up there

1213
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: and have have backup problem. There's been plenty of times

1214
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: where I've went out and uh, you know, the property

1215
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: was getting logged or it was overrun with hunters and

1216
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: then and then then what do you do? You know,

1217
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: you're kind of like WHOA, So you have those backup properties,

1218
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you always have something to kind

1219
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: of plan and be probably plan for plan C two

1220
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: because things are constantly changing. You know, those those landowners,

1221
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: Uh they don't always let you know when something gets

1222
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: leased out. You know, they're just you know, they just

1223
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: live there and there they give you permission, so which

1224
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: is great, but it could change. Things can change there.

1225
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: There's there's so many little details and little as aspects

1226
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about that like are important to understand.

1227
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: I wish we could get into all of them, but

1228
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: we kind of are in a pretty tight time frame here,

1229
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: so we have to wrap this up much much sooner

1230
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: than I wish we had to, but I want it

1231
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: really quick, try to do some rapid fire things here.

1232
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I think a big question a lot of people have

1233
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to a trip like this is is

1234
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: kind of afford it? You know? Can I afford to

1235
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: go and travel out of state and do all this

1236
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: kind of stuff? And I found that a lot of

1237
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: times you can um but it comes out choices, just

1238
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: like anything else. I think. You know, you can choose

1239
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: to invest in hunting, or you can choose to invest

1240
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: in a new best boat, or you can buy a

1241
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: new big screen TV or a big new truck. If

1242
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: try and like something this is important to you and

1243
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: you'd like to do that, make some choices. But I

1244
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: do think it can be much more affordable when people realize.

1245
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: And three really quick ways that I have managed to

1246
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: make this pretty affordable, and I've alluded to a number

1247
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: of them. But number one, hunt low cost states sometimes.

1248
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: So there's a your states like Kansas or Iowa or

1249
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: Illinois that are five six hundred bucks to get at

1250
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: tagged to buy points over a couple of years, that

1251
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: that's a significant cost. But you can go to Ohio

1252
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: or Indiana, Kentucky for hundred fifty bucks or two and

1253
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: fifty bucks and still have a great experience. UM. Lodging

1254
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: is a huge expense for a lot of people. A

1255
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of people want to be in a hotel being

1256
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: nice and comfortable. Nothing wrong with that, But if you're

1257
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: trying to pinch pennies, camping is a great option to

1258
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: do this, UM. And I've done that in a lot

1259
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: of trips and had a lot of fun with it.

1260
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: It's not for everyone, UM, but I've never had a

1261
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: more enjoyable experience in waking up at four thirty in

1262
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: the morning in the back of my pickup truck and

1263
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: I opened up the back cab and it was frosty outside,

1264
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: and there's anteal open the field, and I had a

1265
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: little backpacking stove, hot coffee, and just like there was

1266
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: no one four miles. All I can hear is like

1267
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: these little crickets and there's a river, and I can

1268
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: see snow covered mountains and I'm hunting white tails. A

1269
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: day like that is an awesome feeling. And I didn't

1270
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: pay a dime for it. I didn't pay for access.

1271
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: I was on public in I didn't pay for lodging.

1272
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: It was I mean, that's an opportunity available to us

1273
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: that's pretty neat. And then finally food. If you can

1274
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: plan your meals ahead of time and not go out

1275
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: to dinner every day, you can save a ton of

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Speaker 1: money in that. So we my wife and I well

1277
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: cook a bunch of meals and frees them up throwing

1278
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: the cooler and then I know, just every night I

1279
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: come back and I can just heat him back up

1280
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: on the little stove. My Nebraska trip was the cheapest

1281
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: mayonnaise I could find with white bread and ham loaf.

1282
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: With that, those little cheese nuggets that are in it,

1283
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: oh man, they're horrible, but they give they give me energy,

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: all right. So so do you have any other cost

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00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: savings or any other like, uh, you know, just if

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: you find the right partner. Um, yeah, it's a good one,

1287
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, split and cost. There's there's a state that

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I go to with three guys, um, you know, two

1289
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: of my best friends, great guys. Um we sack her face,

1290
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe some big bucks and some better hunting for the

1291
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: sake of just going together. You know, we've had some

1292
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: great luck. We killed deer, we killed good deer. And

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01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: it does it makes the trip affordable that that, you know,

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: those Illinois and Iowa texts you can get pretty expensive.

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: But that's one way. UM, and I think I think

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: you pretty much kind of touched on everything else. That's

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01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 1: kind of what I do to cut costs as well.

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Speaker 1: I'll throw in one more lesson learned. And you've heard

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01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: this story, and some listeners of our podcasts in the

1300
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: past have. But I'll just say, if you are going

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: and your significant other isn't gonna be there with you,

1302
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: make sure you have a communication plan in place. I

1303
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: didn't do this on one of my trips. I didn't

1304
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: have a good sound schedule of when I'd be checking

1305
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: with my wife, and I happen to get caught up

1306
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: in the experience. I was having so much fun I

1307
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: forgot to check in with her for a day or two.

1308
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: She called the cops, had people searching searching for me,

1309
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: and I was like five hours away fly fishing because

1310
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: I had filled my tag. So I have a plan

1311
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: in place, because you didn't talk to me for a

1312
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: while after that, so I don't make that mistake. And UM,

1313
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: and then I'll just say to other quick things. UM,

1314
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, we we've talked a little bit about this,

1315
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: the fact that there are these opportunities either for free

1316
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: from permission or public land. And there's a lot of

1317
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: things going on right now in the in the country

1318
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: related to public land where there's some politicians that are

1319
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: toss around is crazy idea of selling off our public lands.

1320
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: And if you want to try something like this someday,

1321
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: that's not gonna bode well for you if we lose

1322
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: these places. So I just encourage everyone to try to,

1323
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, google public land transfer or something like that.

1324
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: Learn a little bit about what's going on right now

1325
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: with this whole deal, and um, if you're interested in

1326
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: exploring these places a hunter or hiking or backpacking or

1327
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: try anything else, um, learn a little bit and stand

1328
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: up to try to make sure that doesn't happen. I

1329
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: think that'd be a good thing. And then finally I'd

1330
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: just like to say, yeah, thank you, Lindsay. I thought

1331
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: that was like the clapp in the off stage. I

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01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: get out of here, you're done that. And then I

1333
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: finally just say, UM, try this if you if it's

1334
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: something intrigues you, if it's something that you've always thought, man,

1335
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: I'd always love to try something that maybe but next

1336
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: year or some nail do it um or gosh, it

1337
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: just seems like a lot of work or just yeah

1338
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: I got my thing. Um, I would just encourage you

1339
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: to take the leap, give it a shot once. It

1340
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: may not be the perfect trip that you see on

1341
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: TV that everyone has and you kill the giant buck

1342
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh perfect, But I guarantee you if

1343
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: you try something new like this, the experience itself will

1344
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: be will be well worth it. You'll have great memories,

1345
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot, and it's something to look back

1346
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: on and say, hey, I did this, Yeah, getting outside

1347
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: of that box. So that's those are my couple of

1348
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. I know that we're tight on time.

1349
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: If we still have time, we'd love to take some

1350
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: questions from the audience if if anyone has them. Um,

1351
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: we go from there. Okay, So in the second here,

1352
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to some audience questions, but first we

1353
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: need to break for a quick word from our partners

1354
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: at White Tailed Properties and the White Tailed Institute of

1355
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: North America. Now, in our White Tailed Property segment, we're

1356
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna hear just a little bit about the unique challenges

1357
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: of targeting the churr bucks in heavily hunted areas. Something

1358
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, I can definitely relate to and a lot

1359
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: of people that might want to go on a d

1360
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: I Y trip like we're talking about, I imagine they

1361
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: might be able to relate to this, So that's pretty

1362
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: relevant to what we're discussing. And then from White Tail Institute,

1363
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear just a little bit about a great

1364
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: forage blend for your fall food plotz. This here something

1365
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: that could come in handy for those of you working

1366
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: on your own properties. So long story short, this is

1367
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna be some interesting stuff and we will quickly get

1368
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: back to our audience question and answer as soon as

1369
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: we get done with us, and from here I'll throw

1370
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Speaker 1: it over to Spencer new Hearth. This week with white

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Speaker 1: Tail Properties, we are joined by Tony Hanson, a land

1372
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: specialist out of Michigan, and Tony is gonna be telling

1373
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: us about how hunting strategy changes in pressured states like Michigan.

1374
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I'd say the biggest difference is that just the availability

1375
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: the number of older deer is much much lower, so

1376
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: you don't have, you know, a bunch of them to

1377
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: pick from, so you've got to be pretty you do

1378
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: have to hunt, and you know me, it's it's all

1379
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: about trying to manage to the growing that I've got

1380
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: so that I do have that AH structure because it's

1381
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to be there on the neighbors.

1382
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

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Speaker 1: properties that Tony currently has listed for sale, visit white

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Speaker 1: Tail properties dot com. Backslash Hanson that's h A N

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: s e N. This week with White Tail Institute, we're

1386
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: talking to consultant John Cooner about their special blend of

1387
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: Imperial white Tail Peer Attraction, which will have deer hammering

1388
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: your food plot all season. Pure Attracts is one of

1389
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: our annual Forge products that's designed for planning in the fall.

1390
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: Uh and I would not be overstating it to say

1391
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: that it has brought us a lot of customers. It's

1392
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: dynamite stuff. There are two main parts to it, and

1393
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: the advertising guys say it's a one to punch, but

1394
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,479
Speaker 1: basically you've got early fall uh and primarily that's gonna

1395
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: be white tail white tail oats, which is an old

1396
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: variety that we were alerted to by some some researchers

1397
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: that was so they were doing a grain production trial

1398
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: and so attractive the deer that they had to had

1399
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: to pull it out of the trials and we tested

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Speaker 1: it and also found it to be very cold tolerant.

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: That's for early fall, moves into the later fall, and

1402
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,959
Speaker 1: then uh, the other part of it is the white

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: tail Institute Braskas, which come up very quickly and the

1404
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: deer will start hitting them. Uh, they'll get even sweeter

1405
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: with the first frosts of fall. So it's the one

1406
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: two punch that takes you from fall all the way

1407
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: through the dead of winter. It is. It is absolutely

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: one of our our big sellers and one of the

1409
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: neat things. Other neat things besides it being extremely attracted

1410
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: deer is with the droughts we've been having in the fall,

1411
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: people have realized that the white tail oats oats plus

1412
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: will will come up and provide a good nurse crop

1413
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: with perennials. And for that reason, we've had folks asking

1414
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: us can we take the oates and take white tail

1415
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: Institute Braskas and plan them together. And the neat thing

1416
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: about this is you don't have to. We've already done

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: it for are you, And we've are testing has shown

1418
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: that the ratios in that product are optimum to provide

1419
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: maximum attraction. If you'd like more info, on white Tail

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Speaker 1: Institute's forage products. Check out white Tail institute dot com

1421
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: where they also carry some of the top supplements, attractants

1422
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: and herbicides available. Okay, we're gonna go over there to Kyle, right. So,

1423
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: so for those who couldn't hear, the question was how

1424
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: far ahead of time do you need to plan these trips?

1425
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: Especially if you're going to go somewherehere you need to

1426
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: draw a tach. I think that's a great point where

1427
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: we didn't really touch on that. Um, but there are

1428
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: a number of states that require, you know, several points

1429
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: and our ladder systems. I would definitely like January be

1430
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: like thinking about this, like try to read the regulations.

1431
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: Some of these states can be a little bit complicated.

1432
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: I was a little bit tougher. Um. So yeah, I

1433
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: think a year ahead of time, well ahead year ahead

1434
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: of time. Make sure you read through everything like that,

1435
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: because I would take several years of applying for points.

1436
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: I would for you know, I was an example. There's

1437
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: several other preference points states where you're not going to

1438
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: hunt that state year one. But Ohio and I believe

1439
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: Illinois talking all over the counter states, Michigan yep, yep,

1440
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: so nobody's coming there, so so well that takes is

1441
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: reading regulations, finding the stats to say, Okay, I want

1442
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: to go hunt Iowa, I want to do it with

1443
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: a bow, I want to hunt this part. Look at

1444
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: those stats and then say all right, I'm gonna do

1445
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: it in three years, I'm gonna do it in four

1446
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: years or whatever. That that magic number is anything you'd

1447
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: quickly had on that or yeah, there's a couple out

1448
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: West states too, if you if you if you want

1449
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: to go that route, that do require a couple of

1450
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: points even to get in general units that there's plenty

1451
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: of that over there that are over the counter as well,

1452
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: but Iowa's is the one that kind of comes to

1453
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: mind that you do have to play ahead. If you

1454
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: do your research. There's some zones where you can go

1455
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: more often. You don't need to wait for or five years,

1456
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: need to wait four or five years, So you just

1457
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: kind of you know there might be if you look

1458
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: in the record books, there might be less Boone and

1459
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: Crockett deer there, but a lot of that has to

1460
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: do with the habitat. There's less cover there, there's a

1461
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: few less deer. But if you can get on some

1462
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: ground or find some decent public ground tune these there's

1463
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: still great hunting. Yeah. Yeah, so this is a reverence

1464
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: to your Montana trip if you're in that campaign campaign situation. Yea, yeah,

1465
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: So sending control is an issue and it is a challenge. Um.

1466
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, if a perfect situation, you've got a camp

1467
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: or something that has a shower or something because of course,

1468
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: and you want to do your best to minimize your owners.

1469
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: In my case, I didn't truck camping. So what I

1470
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Speaker 1: do is is is follow everything else I can to

1471
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: the t So I'm still all my clothing and stored

1472
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: in a send free tote outside of the truck, around

1473
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: of the truck or somewhere. I'm only getting changed when

1474
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm actually about to go hunting. I'm spraying down with things.

1475
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: I use a couple of different ozone related products to

1476
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: help me out. I use that nosonics in field generator. UM.

1477
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: I know there's different bags he like sent crusher bags

1478
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: of different things like that where you can use utilize

1479
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: ozone to to take care of some of that bacteria. Um.

1480
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: So those are some options I also do kind of

1481
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: like a couple I don't know hill billy shower options.

1482
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: I guess either with scent free wipes, there's being out

1483
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: there's full wipe down in front of my truck, or

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Speaker 1: I mean just a big old bucket of water over

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: my head twice, you know, once rants, so get done.

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01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily the most enjoyable shower, but try

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01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: to do that a few times. I I had a

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01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: guy I interviewed for an article and he lived in

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01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: his truck on public land in Iowa for six weeks.

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01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: I believe he he didn't he must quit his job.

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01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't married. He quit his day job in like

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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: Kansas or I don't know where he was, and went

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: to this public land spot. And what he would do

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: He would literally wait till big storms and would go

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: out of this truck and just stand the rain and

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: take showers. So maybe I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it,

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01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: but it's an option. Yeah, state, Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: And just for anyone who didn't hear her, the question was,

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Speaker 1: what do you do in a situation where you've got

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Speaker 1: vast amounts of area, like a western state, very different

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: than maybe midwestern small parcels um and and so I've

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: experienced some things like that, like in the Montana hunts

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01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: we talked about um, and I've hunted other species out

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: there a lot, and I think you just have to

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: you can be overwhelmed by the vastness of it. So

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: I think, at least in my opinion, I would try

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01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: to zero in on a on a on an area

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: that looks promising, either based off of your own intel

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: or talking to people locally, talking to biologists in the area,

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: talking to a game wardening there and they say, hey,

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: you know what, oh, by the way they drainage or

1512
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: this river bottom tends that we sent tend to see

1513
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, and just get a starting point

1514
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: and then say, okay, I know that this. Even though

1515
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: I've got this and this and this and this, all

1516
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: these different areas, you can really get lost in that.

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: So I would try to pick a core area and

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: then focus your time and learn that zone it down. Yeah. Um,

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01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: but to your point, tremendous amounts of public land out

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: west that is underutilized in a lot of cases, especially

1521
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: from the white tail front um. Unbelievable white tail opportunities

1522
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: in some of these Western states, amazing adventure, great deer numbers,

1523
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: great dear quality, the age structure in some of these

1524
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: states is like astounding, UM, and I had the most

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: fun I've ever had my life out there. So hopefully

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: we'll into the good story this year. Anything else mm

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: hmm yeah. So in a lot of the low like

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: the valley type situations out west, you what you are

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01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: going to have cell phone service, but I have found

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01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: myself in circumstances where I don't. And so because of

1531
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 1: because of the aforementioned communication issue I had with my

1532
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: wife last year, UM, I did get a GPS slash

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Satellite UM device that gives me UM the base of

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: GPS functions. It gives me an s OS function, So

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: if if things go badly and I fall out of

1536
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: my tree standard, if I'm el kunning and I break

1537
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: my leg or something, I can hit a button and

1538
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: that calls out to emergency responders. And then there's also

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: a said like text message option, so even without cell

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: phone service, I can text my wife or someone and

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: say hey, I'm alive, I'm doing okay. UM that type

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: of thing, and that specific device is the Garment in

1543
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Reach Explorer UM that I just picked up recently, and

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01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: so far it's been great. UM. I haven't somely been

1545
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: half a year, but so far, so good. Well, thank you, Mark,

1546
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: how about one more running for them? Thank you? And

1547
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: that's it our first podcast in front of a live audience,

1548
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: And like I said, it was just a really cool experience.

1549
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: One quick heads up though you might have noticed that

1550
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: in this conversation sation because we are limited by a

1551
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: strict time block that we had there, we had to

1552
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: keep things pretty high level. We were not able to

1553
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: dive into a lot of the topics I really would

1554
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: have liked to have covered with Andy. So with that

1555
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: being said, Andy has actually agreed to come on for

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: another episode, which I'm pumped about, and we'll be diving

1557
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: much more deeply into all of Andy's tactics and deer

1558
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: hunting philosophies, whether that be on one of these d

1559
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: I Y trips, or on the properties he's hunting near

1560
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: his home in Michigan or all over the country. He's

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: got a lot more share. I'm excited to be able

1562
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: to dive into that, and I know you're gonna find

1563
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: it very very interesting. So keeping out for that episode

1564
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. And with that said, we will

1565
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: wrap things up here with the big thanks to our

1566
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: partners at Sick Gear, Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics,

1567
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: White Tail Institute, North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terra maps.

1568
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: And finally, of course, and most importantly, thank you all

1569
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks to those of you who were down

1570
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 1: in New Orleans and who are actually in the live audience.

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01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: That was awesome and I hope you all enjoy this

1572
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: special episode. Hopefully we're gonna see many more of you

1573
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: at future live events, and until next time, stay wired

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01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: to Hunt M M