Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition.
Speaker 1: And folks, this is a real treat because, uh, something
Speaker 1: special is happening today. We have in his own home
Speaker 1: studio our new ish producer Seth Johnson, who I don't
Speaker 1: even really know aside from emailing. This is the first
Speaker 1: time I've seen your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hello, Nice
Speaker 1: to meet you, Nice to meet you. Happy to be here.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a pleasure. I genuinely love this show,
Speaker 1: so it's been great to work on it. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was very excited when you asked me to be
Speaker 1: a guest, so here, I am, let's do this. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean this is something that I was wanting to
Speaker 1: do anyway, because I thought it would be a fun
Speaker 1: way to get to know you and for the listeners
Speaker 1: to get to know you and for you to become
Speaker 1: more a part of the show. And then I also, um,
Speaker 1: you know how kind of close we've been playing it
Speaker 1: these days. I looked up and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't have anything ready for Friday, and
Speaker 1: I said, this might be the perfect time, and you
Speaker 1: stepped right in so I appreciate it, absolutely happy to
Speaker 1: do it. Before we get going on the movie, I thought, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we should get to know each other a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't even know anything about you. I
Speaker 1: don't know where you're from or what your story is.
Speaker 1: So where are you from? Born in Eugene, Oregon, from
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, and then, um, I moved around a
Speaker 1: lot as a as as a youth. So uh, I've
Speaker 1: lived basically everywhere on the West coast. Uh. So I
Speaker 1: lived in Portland for a while, by a Seattle, lived
Speaker 1: in a town called Spokane for a while. Then I
Speaker 1: moved down to Los Angeles, lived there for a while,
Speaker 1: and then, um, then I moved here probably when I
Speaker 1: was gosh, thirty ish, maybe like five or more years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know, a while ago, but I basically here's
Speaker 1: here's a very long story short. You're ready, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: childhood in Oregon, teenage slash high school years in Washington,
Speaker 1: twenties and whatnot in Los Angeles, and now I've been
Speaker 1: spending my thirties here in Atlanta. That's that's that's a
Speaker 1: very quick version of that. What years were you in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? That would have been around two thousand eight
Speaker 1: ish until who knows, maybe two thousand fifteen, sixteen, something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, I was wondered if we had any overlap,
Speaker 1: But I left l A in like two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I've heard uh glimmerings of your stories
Speaker 1: through through podcasting you've done. Uh do you miss it
Speaker 1: at all? Because my wife misses it like crazy. She
Speaker 1: she wants to move back all the time. Really, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't miss living in l A. I certainly you know.
Speaker 1: I ended up back in Atlanta, where I'm from after many,
Speaker 1: many years of about twenty years of being away, and
Speaker 1: so this is like, this is it for us. But
Speaker 1: I do love to visit l A. And I have
Speaker 1: a lot of really good friends in l A. And
Speaker 1: I miss visiting l A of course right now more
Speaker 1: than ever. But um, where did you guys live out there? Um?
Speaker 1: Let's see, we lived in East Hollywood when I first
Speaker 1: got there, a right like Los Felis or oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not nowhere as fancy as that, like like a real
Speaker 1: dirt East Hollywood, like the kind of like um place
Speaker 1: where you wake up and someone has siphoned your gas tank.
Speaker 1: You know that that kind of East East Hollywood, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all right. And then we lived there for
Speaker 1: for a while. My wife and I got married while
Speaker 1: we were still living down there, and then we moved
Speaker 1: into our own place and more like the like a
Speaker 1: Palms region kind of your like um Culver City kind
Speaker 1: of that that zone. Than we lived there for a
Speaker 1: while and that was wonderful. Uh, there's you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there's a lot of great things
Speaker 1: about living in that city, especially if you're there for
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, which which was why I was there.
Speaker 1: I've been working before my podcasting career. Recently, I worked
Speaker 1: as an animator for like, I don't know, ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen years, so that's that's actually part of why I
Speaker 1: ended up in Atlanta was for more animation work. Wow,
Speaker 1: Now tell me about animation, Like, what what was your
Speaker 1: history there? What did you work on? Um? Lots of
Speaker 1: things you've heard of and lots of things you haven't
Speaker 1: heard you know. Um, so, like, for example, my most
Speaker 1: famous shows that I worked on would be like UM Archer,
Speaker 1: Um Aquitine, Hunger Force with Billy's um Fargo, Legion, um. Oh.
Speaker 1: Most recently, UM, I did a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: on that new show. Um, Cake, I have many little
Speaker 1: the stuff with your friend John Hodgman on there. So
Speaker 1: that that's that's a wonderful show and I really love
Speaker 1: all the things that contributed to that. And um, you
Speaker 1: know the way the system works, I still have a
Speaker 1: movie coming out next year, and let's see here, what
Speaker 1: else do I have? Oh and one more superhero themed
Speaker 1: TV show coming out on f x X at some
Speaker 1: point in the future. But you know who knows. That's awesome?
Speaker 1: Now what did what did you do? I mean, were
Speaker 1: you drawing stuff? That's how it started. I started as
Speaker 1: as an animator and did whatever anyone asked of me,
Speaker 1: and then, um, you know, you move up, you become
Speaker 1: a lead. And when I left, I was the director
Speaker 1: of short form programming and that's why I was working
Speaker 1: on Cake. And Um, even as a director, you're still
Speaker 1: doing a lot of drawing this so I was still
Speaker 1: doing lots and lots of animation, even as a director
Speaker 1: towards the end. Now, what brought the career change over
Speaker 1: to podcasting and how did you come by us? Uh?
Speaker 1: It did a couple of things. One, UM, I'm sure
Speaker 1: many people have experienced this in whatever field there in.
Speaker 1: But you reach a certain age and you look around
Speaker 1: and you realize that, like everyone around you, was just
Speaker 1: getting younger and younger, and perhaps this isn't the kind
Speaker 1: of career path where you want to grow old in,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's of course no offense to anyone
Speaker 1: who has made an amazing career in animation, But um,
Speaker 1: I noticed for myself when I reached a certain plateau
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, I did it, like I
Speaker 1: I did it. I reached the top. I'm very happy,
Speaker 1: and I guess there's nowhere else to go if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be living in Atlanta do in this life, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm done. And so it just felt very natural
Speaker 1: just to be like, well, I've I've accomplished what I
Speaker 1: want to accomplish, and I'm I'm done now. And um,
Speaker 1: very very luckily, I'm the kind of guy where I
Speaker 1: do something for free for a decade and then someone
Speaker 1: eventually offers me to do it for money and then
Speaker 1: it becomes a career. Like that's how I became an animator,
Speaker 1: and then that's how I became a podcaster, because the
Speaker 1: whole time I was working as an as an animator.
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of independent podcasts on my own time.
Speaker 1: And then a buddy of mine who I'm sure you
Speaker 1: know u A how Ak Andrew Howard. Andrew Howard, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he he works at the studio A how produces, Um,
Speaker 1: let's see Sminty is Saber and a couple other shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, he's a wonderful dude. And um, he
Speaker 1: said to me one day, Hey, my my boss Jerry
Speaker 1: is looking for some new audio producers. I know you've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a decade on your own. You
Speaker 1: want to come, like do it for real? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why not, you know? And so I popped over just
Speaker 1: just on a whim. And it's been so much fun.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this with you guys for about a
Speaker 1: year and a half now and I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean to a great world now that I see you.
Speaker 1: I have noticed your face around the office, but I
Speaker 1: feel like they were always Um. I kind of gave
Speaker 1: me a picture Andrew in my head, but I know
Speaker 1: I would kick myself if I did see him. Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all these people in the office that
Speaker 1: when we when we all end up going back, I'm
Speaker 1: just not going to recognize them anymore. You know, all
Speaker 1: of our hair will all be grown out. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Now how have you, um, how have you enjoyed the
Speaker 1: transition to the audio side? Is it? Uh? Is it fulfilling?
Speaker 1: Is it more or less challenging? Um? Honestly, I I
Speaker 1: love most of all how how easy it is to
Speaker 1: get something on the air. You know what I mean? Like, like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, as you know to from living in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: you have the world's best projects, that everything going for them,
Speaker 1: and then one little thing goes wrong and then millions
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars are gone, you know. And I well, hmmm,
Speaker 1: I'm debating whether or I should give you specific funny
Speaker 1: examples to the end of my animation career. I'll give
Speaker 1: you one. I'll give you one. This one's very very public, okay. UM.
Speaker 1: I was working on a UM pilot for a show
Speaker 1: about these two police officers. They got these two stand
Speaker 1: up comedians to play these two police officers, just legends
Speaker 1: in their field doing their thing. You can probably see
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. And it was starring Albert
Speaker 1: Brooks and Louis c. K And it was a wonderful show.
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed Albert Brooks of course, legend among legends,
Speaker 1: the greatest, and um, the show got picked up, it
Speaker 1: was gonna be airing on TBS, and right in the
Speaker 1: middle of the production, Luis c. K gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble, right, So yeah, and therefore the entire show,
Speaker 1: the entire production, completely out the window. You can google
Speaker 1: this and you can still find like still shots on
Speaker 1: on the internet of them getting ready to promote this
Speaker 1: show and it's just never gonna happen, you know, period.
Speaker 1: That's it. Did you years? Did you complete episodes and everything? Yeah? Um, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I loved it. I absolutely loved it, mostly because I
Speaker 1: love Albert Brooks. Yeah. And then another one too. Again
Speaker 1: I debate saying this stuff out loud, but when it
Speaker 1: reaches like the public sphere, I believe you can talk
Speaker 1: about it. The other one is um, myself and my
Speaker 1: my bunch of my friends, my co workers. We're working
Speaker 1: on that Donald Glover um uh Deadpool animated series, the
Speaker 1: one that was getting all kinds of hype and everything.
Speaker 1: Some of my favorite animation I've ever done was for
Speaker 1: the pilot for that, and no one will ever see
Speaker 1: it ever. Heartbreaks so that kind of stuff, like the
Speaker 1: fact that I spent don't know fifteen years as an animator,
Speaker 1: maybe seven of it actually made it to fruish. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: podcasting is very quick, like you said, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously the no brainer example is we're recording this
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, it's out on Friday. But you can
Speaker 1: also get a get a show going and if it's
Speaker 1: an easy lift in a matter of weeks if you
Speaker 1: want to Yeah, no, no, I mean again, as an animator,
Speaker 1: there are shows that I pitched when I was oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, foof maybe maybe six years in and
Speaker 1: I'd be like pushing it for like half a decade
Speaker 1: and then you get real close, then it falls away
Speaker 1: and real close, then it falls away. Um, I know
Speaker 1: you're close with um John Hodgman. Do you know Jesse
Speaker 1: Thorne as well? Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse's a good friend.
Speaker 1: Me and Jesse had an animated series we were pitching
Speaker 1: together and it was so good. I loved it more
Speaker 1: than anything. It was me, Jesse and Jordan's it was.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest. And um no, it's just bad timing,
Speaker 1: multiple times, bad timing. Just it never it never connected.
Speaker 1: And you know what what and you do Yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. It's like, you know, I used to want
Speaker 1: to write movies, and I still dabbling that stuff sometimes
Speaker 1: just for fun. But it's like, why would anyone want
Speaker 1: to get involved in that business. It's it's just heartbreak
Speaker 1: after heartbreak, and it's rare that anyone breaks through it all.
Speaker 1: And even when you do, like I have plenty of
Speaker 1: friends who write for TV and stuff that uh, you think,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I got a job writing on television,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm set as a writer, And that's just not
Speaker 1: the case. It's it's always just you're always scrapping unless
Speaker 1: you really get to a certain point where you're always working,
Speaker 1: or you're always someone's first or second call and sought out.
Speaker 1: But otherwise it's just a grind man. Even even actors
Speaker 1: just auditioning and getting constantly rejected. It's it's brutal. Why
Speaker 1: does anyone even want to do it? The finish line,
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist either. Like I used to feel when
Speaker 1: I was younger, that I'm like, oh man, when I
Speaker 1: reach these certain these certain hallmarks, like for example, um,
Speaker 1: when I was working on Archer, super duper proud of it.
Speaker 1: I won my first Emmy, and I was so happy.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I did it, Like this is
Speaker 1: like the pinnacle right everyone? And no, nothing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you still don't get like residuals
Speaker 1: as an animator. You don't like, you know, suddenly get
Speaker 1: like a big pay boost you're still working for, like
Speaker 1: you know, a cable evening TV show. Like it's just there.
Speaker 1: There is no end points, Like as soon as the
Speaker 1: show that you are so proud of happens, it ends,
Speaker 1: you're unemployed and you start over. Yeah, exactly what you
Speaker 1: never could get. Jesse on Archer, I know that's kind
Speaker 1: of a running joke for him. I mean, not joke,
Speaker 1: a real dream. Oh yeah, no I tried. I absolutely
Speaker 1: tried that. That's definitely how Jesse and I first met was.
Speaker 1: Um I drew some fan art of John Hodgeman because
Speaker 1: John had ruled on a case of mine for Judge
Speaker 1: John Hodgman. Oh, like you were an actual litigan or
Speaker 1: was it a was a litigant? Which one? He? He
Speaker 1: actually wrote it up for one of his New Yorker
Speaker 1: magazine one and Um I lost it was I love
Speaker 1: music more than anything, and so I haven't absolutely astronomical
Speaker 1: sized um music collection. I like to just have it
Speaker 1: out on display, so I grabbed from it whatever I want.
Speaker 1: My wife wanted to move it to the basement, and
Speaker 1: uh that that the honorable Judge John Hodgman decreed that
Speaker 1: I had to move my collection to the basement, which
Speaker 1: is where it is so interesting. I wonder were you're
Speaker 1: the one who set precedent of his uh of his
Speaker 1: now multiple rulings on collections. I can't remember how he
Speaker 1: words him, but it's like, if you actually display it,
Speaker 1: then it's a collection. If you don't display it then
Speaker 1: I don't think he calls it hoarding, but yeah, something
Speaker 1: about like being in use, in use or something like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been many cases that have followed
Speaker 1: down the same but so yeah. I drew some fan
Speaker 1: art of John Judge John Hodgman. Jesse Thorne contacted me
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, hey, I I love this image.
Speaker 1: Can I use this on the A poster? And like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course, of course. And I was like, oh, and
Speaker 1: by the way, I work on the show Archer and
Speaker 1: we appreciate how often we talk about the show. And
Speaker 1: he was like, really, I love Archer. Can I be
Speaker 1: a voice. That's great. And I've tried. I've tried, but
Speaker 1: it's never come up. If it happens for him, He's
Speaker 1: actually gonna be on next week, so he'll be Uh,
Speaker 1: you'll be hearing Jesse. We're gonna record next Wednesday. Nice.
Speaker 1: He's He's a great dude. I love Jesse Thorne for
Speaker 1: every reason in the world. Yeah, he's he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: I just in fact, I just finished listening to his
Speaker 1: Bull's Eye interview with David Letterman today. Yes, which, why, man,
Speaker 1: it was so good. I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1: it yet. Yeah, it's it's wonderful and and just I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I I feel Jesse's excitement when he
Speaker 1: lands an interview like that. You know, it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: But he still manages to be a professional, whereas I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a professional interviewer. I do all the wrong
Speaker 1: things by gushing and telling people how much I love
Speaker 1: him and all the things you're not supposed to do.
Speaker 1: But uh, they're they're conversations. On my end. Jesse's a pro.
Speaker 1: He's a real pro. Oh he's I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even call myself a friend of his. He and I
Speaker 1: worked on a project once, so I feel free to
Speaker 1: gush and be very excited about Jesse Thorne. Um, he's
Speaker 1: one of the best interviewers. He's so good, but like
Speaker 1: just not not only making the guests feel comfortable, make
Speaker 1: them feel like appreciated, you know, like so many times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really really great. I love that series he did.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what he called it, but where he
Speaker 1: was interviewing other interviewers. Yes, I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really very insightful stuff. Also, before you get
Speaker 1: going to when I talk to you a little bit
Speaker 1: about Noel kind of gave me a little insider thing
Speaker 1: that you actually cut and make vinyl LPs yourself. I do.
Speaker 1: I do technically. Technically what I do is lathe embossing,
Speaker 1: which is slightly different from cutting. But but yeah, I
Speaker 1: know it's it's all I make records. Um, I I
Speaker 1: run a small record label, and UM I'm in the
Speaker 1: room right now where I do it, looking at the
Speaker 1: machine over there. Um. Basically that I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: this as musician and this person who like music. When
Speaker 1: you go to get a real vinyl record pressed at
Speaker 1: a vinyl pressing plant, you it costs so much. You know.
Speaker 1: Mostly it's because you have to make that stamp, you know,
Speaker 1: that has like the two record sides on it. So
Speaker 1: when you're pressing that vinyl, you gotta like make the
Speaker 1: cost of creating this giant stamp worthwhile more or less.
Speaker 1: So you need to order at least three hundred to
Speaker 1: five hundred copies of this record, and you have to
Speaker 1: wait like three months for to get back to you
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and just like that, that barrier
Speaker 1: of entry for musicians is just too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but nine percent of the musicians,
Speaker 1: z though we're unpopular, we are, we do it for
Speaker 1: fun and it's it's it's not because it's a money maker.
Speaker 1: It's because it's a great time, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I wanted to find an option that could let let
Speaker 1: an artist release one or two records if we wanted to,
Speaker 1: or or you know, ten fifty whatever, anything less than
Speaker 1: three hundred and um. So yeah, I bought a machine.
Speaker 1: It's one of those very old timey um like like
Speaker 1: my machines, like a hundred years old, back in like
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineteen thirties, like the radio days. What they
Speaker 1: would do is you know, if they had to rebroadcast
Speaker 1: cast something either for a later time or if they
Speaker 1: had to um, you know, send it overseas for like
Speaker 1: a an army radio station or something, they would make
Speaker 1: these quick records that sound terrible, honestly, like that's that's
Speaker 1: what they would make them for and just just they
Speaker 1: have something some some duplication device. And those machines obviously
Speaker 1: went um became obsolete when like you know, uh, real
Speaker 1: to reels and then later digital files and all that
Speaker 1: came into play. So people just started going out there
Speaker 1: and buying up these machines wherever they could and turning
Speaker 1: them into basically their own home mini record pressing plants.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I do now, and it's it's
Speaker 1: so much fun, and it's it's just great to be
Speaker 1: able to help artists because you know, really famous, popular
Speaker 1: artists don't need the help. They're fine. You know, if
Speaker 1: if they can afford to make five hundred copies of
Speaker 1: a record, they're obviously doing just fine on their own.
Speaker 1: I I get to support all the artists who have
Speaker 1: zero for fans, you know, and and have zero money
Speaker 1: and just like, oh, hey, can I make fifty copies
Speaker 1: because I really really really want just this one scene
Speaker 1: to know that I've made a physical record that I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of. Like absolutely, let's do it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's great. I love it. That is so cool.
Speaker 1: So someone records something, I mean, how does that process work?
Speaker 1: In a nutshell, it goes like this, um, basically my machine.
Speaker 1: It goes through a couple of you know, like a
Speaker 1: little daisy chain of electronics down into a little UM
Speaker 1: one eighth inch headphone jack like like yeah, and basically
Speaker 1: you can turn that into um, you know, a guitar cable,
Speaker 1: you can turn into whatever you want, and you just
Speaker 1: whatever you put into there. It will then go through
Speaker 1: a system it's just like a graphic equalizer and like
Speaker 1: a pre amp, and then it just goes into a
Speaker 1: a little magnet thing of a jig that has a
Speaker 1: little ruby stylus. You press into a thing and then
Speaker 1: it's got a little you know, a gear thing and
Speaker 1: it moves across the record and it it embosses the
Speaker 1: song through vibration into it and it's it's really simple.
Speaker 1: But then like the hard part is just trying to
Speaker 1: make it sound good, you know, like to get it
Speaker 1: to work isn't that difficult? To make it sound good
Speaker 1: is nearly impossible. And that's the fun part, you know,
Speaker 1: is to like kind of fight the machinery and fight
Speaker 1: the music and fight it works so cool. Well, when
Speaker 1: the end times are over, I'm gonna invite myself over
Speaker 1: to see this in person, absolutely some time. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a grand old time. And I
Speaker 1: know you make music too, So if there's anything you
Speaker 1: feel like doing, just let me know, because it's it's
Speaker 1: great to just kick out something just for your own
Speaker 1: collection to like, Like, I've had friends who have like
Speaker 1: what what am I? I've had a couple of really
Speaker 1: sweet things were Like a friend of mine, he had
Speaker 1: a recording of his wife ultrasound, and then he has
Speaker 1: sound from her birth, and then he has sound from
Speaker 1: like her first words. He edited them all together. I
Speaker 1: put it on a record for him and he gave
Speaker 1: it to his wife an anniversary present. Stuff like that
Speaker 1: is just interesting, wonderful. That gives me some eas then yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I'll plug it anyway, go to
Speaker 1: Haunted Birthday dot com. That's my record label. But I'm
Speaker 1: checking it out it's fun. I'm gonna put that in
Speaker 1: my computer right now, check it out later. I have
Speaker 1: a little side story to that. My mom. I grew
Speaker 1: up in Memphis, Tennessee, and she uh before uh Suns
Speaker 1: Studios with Sun Studios, it was the Memphis Recording Company
Speaker 1: I think it was called, and you could come in
Speaker 1: off the street and record something and my mom my
Speaker 1: mom played I think a saxophone maybe when she was
Speaker 1: a kid, and my granddad took her in there and
Speaker 1: she actually cut a record at what would become Sun
Speaker 1: Records later on when it was the Memphis Record Studio
Speaker 1: or I don't know if I'm getting that name right.
Speaker 1: But it's very cool, cool little story, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: have the record. I wish she did. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: It's um, it's it's the technology is not too dissimilar
Speaker 1: even from you. Ever been to a Third Man Records
Speaker 1: up in Nashville. Yeah, I did go in there and
Speaker 1: I wanted to record something, but I got nervous and didn't.
Speaker 1: But but but the the the technology of their record
Speaker 1: your own record booth and they're a little like gift shop.
Speaker 1: The technology is not too dissimilar from that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: made me want to buy those booths? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Well that's so cool man, I love that. Where do
Speaker 1: you guys live here in Atlanta? Kind of near East
Speaker 1: Atlanta village? Okay, yeah, you're not far. I mean he's
Speaker 1: like you had kids. Oh no, no, I have my
Speaker 1: wife and I who have been together for a very
Speaker 1: long time. But but now we have we have no
Speaker 1: children nor plans for children. All right, Well that's the
Speaker 1: right way to do it. No. I love my daughter,
Speaker 1: but I get it. You can't make your own records
Speaker 1: when you get a kid around. Yes, that's true. Well
Speaker 1: that's cool man. Uh, it's good to meet you, and
Speaker 1: we we're gonna talk a little bit about Got Pilgrim
Speaker 1: versus the World. You sent over a kind of a
Speaker 1: quick list Hard Day's Night, which actually already did on
Speaker 1: the show with Kim Jennings. Uh pre you and um
Speaker 1: the other one? How do you pronounce the other? Kana
Speaker 1: Scotzi Right. I didn't know anything about that, and I'm
Speaker 1: definitely definitely gonna watch that after I did a little
Speaker 1: bit of research on it. It looks very very cool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and the whole trilogy is good to
Speaker 1: Koyana Scotzi Pookatzi and not Kwai Kotzi. All three of
Speaker 1: them are wonderful. I love them. Um Um. I know
Speaker 1: you're a big music guy too. And it's basically watching
Speaker 1: the world's best visualizer for a Philip Glass album. That's
Speaker 1: what it is, and it's it's, it's it's it's actually
Speaker 1: turned into a game amongst my friends and I where
Speaker 1: we just called it Katzi, where we were so excited
Speaker 1: just to listen to music all the time. But you
Speaker 1: kind of don't want to just like sit in a
Speaker 1: chair and stare at each other when you listen to music,
Speaker 1: so you turn on the TV and mute it, and
Speaker 1: then you listen to albums and you wait for it
Speaker 1: to sync up to games like that. So it is
Speaker 1: generally a bong involved as well. Yes, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: it's the social lubricants in that situation. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I do want to see that. Um yeah. I watched
Speaker 1: the trailer for it and it looks right at my
Speaker 1: alley and now it's it's a bit of a time
Speaker 1: capsule as well, which is kind of cool, Yes, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. But Scott Pilgrim Versus the World a movie
Speaker 1: that is hard to believe is ten years old that
Speaker 1: I really loved and saw it. Uh, watching it again today,
Speaker 1: I really was mad that I never got to see
Speaker 1: this in the movie theater. I think I came on
Speaker 1: a little bit late and saw it when it came
Speaker 1: out on DVD or maybe even a streaming service. And uh,
Speaker 1: my wife and I both loved it, and I think
Speaker 1: I saw it a couple of times back then. But
Speaker 1: this seems like a movie that would have been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to see in a theater from the
Speaker 1: great Edgar Wright. Um, what was what's your history with
Speaker 1: this movie? How did you come about it? I definitely
Speaker 1: remember seeing it in theaters, and you are correct in
Speaker 1: that I bet it would have been fun to see
Speaker 1: with an audience, but I did not because I saw
Speaker 1: in theaters you didn't perform that well did it know, which,
Speaker 1: which still to this moment astonishes me. I don't understand
Speaker 1: that in the least. Um. But but yeah, I was
Speaker 1: really excited for it. I had read the comics, and um,
Speaker 1: I I obviously was a big fan of everyone involved
Speaker 1: as an actor, but it was also really really excited
Speaker 1: about the music involved. Like I I'd heard that Beck
Speaker 1: was writing the music for sex Ba bomb and that
Speaker 1: Metric right he did, Oh yeah you know here here,
Speaker 1: so I'll throw it down a few um deeper music
Speaker 1: things in this uh So, all of the sex Ba
Speaker 1: Bamba songs were written by Beck and that's kind of
Speaker 1: why they're so good. Yeah, and this movie wouldn't have
Speaker 1: worked if they weren't really good songs exactly. And then
Speaker 1: um the Clash of demon Head all of their songs
Speaker 1: were written by Metric. Then um Crash and the Boys
Speaker 1: all their songs were written by Broken Social Scene and
Speaker 1: so um I had heard about that, and so that
Speaker 1: that's initially what drew me in. And I saw how
Speaker 1: good this soundtrack was, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: obviously this is gonna be good if they're putting this
Speaker 1: kind of effort and energy into the soundtrack, you know.
Speaker 1: Um So, I mean my friends went and saw it,
Speaker 1: and man, I I still remember. Um So, there's the
Speaker 1: opening uh universal logo with like the eight bits, and
Speaker 1: that's real cool and fun. And then when they start
Speaker 1: playing that very first song and you see knives Chow's
Speaker 1: face just like pure bliss and discovery, and the room
Speaker 1: kind of falls back into lightning. Bolts are coming off
Speaker 1: and then it goes to this beautiful animated sequence for
Speaker 1: the opening credits, Like I just felt chill chills all
Speaker 1: over my body and like, oh, I'm experienced some something
Speaker 1: incredible for the first time right now, and I'm realizing
Speaker 1: how good it is in the moment. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: right now, you know, Yeah, I mean it was it's
Speaker 1: it's really a movie unlike any other. I think it's. UM.
Speaker 1: I was sort of trying to categorize it, and here's
Speaker 1: what I came up with. Is a comic book, fantasy,
Speaker 1: video game, martial arts, romantic comedy. It's it's sort of
Speaker 1: all those things. And it wouldn't have worked if it
Speaker 1: hadn't have been funny. It wouldn't have worked if there
Speaker 1: hadn't been a great love story at the heart of it.
Speaker 1: And it's also a hero's journey. It wouldn't have worked
Speaker 1: as well if the martial arts scenes weren't so fucking amazing. Um,
Speaker 1: all the all the video game, and it's it's maybe
Speaker 1: the most comic bookie uh, comic book movie I've ever
Speaker 1: seen too, Like they really nailed up and then yet
Speaker 1: they succeeded. So many people have tried, but they really
Speaker 1: succeeded in making it feel like a comic book with
Speaker 1: all the all the graphic flourishments, and just like the
Speaker 1: action and the way the shots kind of progressed the
Speaker 1: storyline like with their visual you know, like where it
Speaker 1: mirrors what a comic panel would do, but in a
Speaker 1: completely different medium, which is just astonishing that he accomplished it.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Like I'm trying to like, this is
Speaker 1: a movie that is very much built in an edit room,
Speaker 1: but it's also a movie that I can't imagine how
Speaker 1: meticulously it was storyboarded Um, it's not a movie where
Speaker 1: you just you know, you shoot your wide and you
Speaker 1: shoot your over the shoulders and you get your coverage
Speaker 1: and move on. Like I imagine, Edgar Wright was very
Speaker 1: very specific and how like everything how one shot went
Speaker 1: to another, and even little small shots like that that
Speaker 1: one where uh, where Scott just twirls around and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's not him, but it's uh, who's
Speaker 1: the lead singer while Steven stills, which is pretty funny. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: just little things like that. It just everything married together
Speaker 1: so well that the split screens and all the different
Speaker 1: stuff that looks like a comic book page. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: just so lively and energetic, and like all his movies
Speaker 1: are that, but this one really just like is an
Speaker 1: assault on the senses and all the right way, I think,
Speaker 1: oh for sure. And and to what you're saying, here's
Speaker 1: what I've heard about Edgar Wrights. Obviously I don't know
Speaker 1: the man who knows, but from what I've heard is
Speaker 1: that he likes to plan his animatics down to the millisecond,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's the way he gets his like
Speaker 1: music just right. And then he basically he breaks down
Speaker 1: everything from his antimatics into just a shopping list. And
Speaker 1: then he he says, at least for him, that it's
Speaker 1: not too difficult to film a movie because he already
Speaker 1: knows exactly what he's looking for, so like the big
Speaker 1: question to him is did I get it? Or did
Speaker 1: I not get it? And that's it, you know, It's
Speaker 1: just it's just a shopping list. And from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: that was very valuable when he was making Baby Driver,
Speaker 1: because that is so reliant on hitting these musical beats
Speaker 1: and having these moments so exact from yes, exactly. And
Speaker 1: I think I would assume that he learned a lot
Speaker 1: about sinking music too scene to telling a story from
Speaker 1: Scott Pilgrim that he used in Baby Driver. No, absolutely
Speaker 1: you can. Um. I mean the movies aren't really anything alike,
Speaker 1: but the DNA is there, and uh it's for sure
Speaker 1: like a one point oh version of what Baby Driver
Speaker 1: would become as far as sinking and marrying music to film. Uh,
Speaker 1: like like I've never seen before in Baby Driver. But um,
Speaker 1: the I know Nigel Godrich actually worked on did he
Speaker 1: did the score for this? He did, He did the
Speaker 1: score and he was the executive music producer. So I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's astonishing. Um. I mean obviously he's got all
Speaker 1: kinds of credit from his Radiohead production stuff and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but also him as a musician. He's got this really
Speaker 1: amazing band called Ultra Easta that I love so Like
Speaker 1: it's it's great when you see people who don't get
Speaker 1: the credit for being a musician get these huge like
Speaker 1: gigs like who check it out? Look at your score?
Speaker 1: And I I also love how often Nintendo themes are
Speaker 1: woven into the score. It it feels so good, um
Speaker 1: from what I heard. Um, basically, uh, Edgar Wright had
Speaker 1: to write to Nintendo and wrote this big gushing letter
Speaker 1: about how, um the Nintendo songs from Legend of Zelda specifically,
Speaker 1: but also Mario and Ted Person, etcetera. Um, they are
Speaker 1: the lullaby of this generation. And without that that kind
Speaker 1: of like glue to like bind things together, he felt
Speaker 1: like the story would be false, and Nintendo, to their credit,
Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, go go for it, totally. It's great
Speaker 1: for them. I mean he could have I'm sure they
Speaker 1: could have written some stuff that would have subbed in nicely.
Speaker 1: But there's something about using those real music stings like
Speaker 1: you said that everyone UH is so familiar with, Like
Speaker 1: it really hit a generation in just the right way. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you know the songs the needle drops on
Speaker 1: some of these songs too, from other artists, some of
Speaker 1: my favorite artists, like the the Perfection of I heard
Speaker 1: Ramona saying from Frank Black and Uh, Beechwood Sparks, who
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite bands when I lived in
Speaker 1: l A. That's when they were big. Saw them a
Speaker 1: couple of times back then. And that cover of Chard's
Speaker 1: By Your Side is you know, I was waiting for
Speaker 1: someone to use that in a movie, and someone finally
Speaker 1: did in Beechwood Sparks got a little recognition, and they
Speaker 1: were they were a pretty small, you know, fairly regional band,
Speaker 1: I feel like in that southern California scene back in
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's. But I just love seeing them
Speaker 1: get a little love in this movie too. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And um one of my favorite jokes
Speaker 1: from this movie was one of those needle drop moments. It's, um,
Speaker 1: let's see they're they're all doing their thing. They sex
Speaker 1: bomb is facing off against the two twins and they're
Speaker 1: having that big, like amp to amp battle. They literally
Speaker 1: blew the roof off the place, and so like some
Speaker 1: snow is coming in through that hole in the roof.
Speaker 1: Scott is walking through the crowd, he passes by knives Chow.
Speaker 1: She's looking extremely sad and dejected, and she's standing in
Speaker 1: this little like almost like spotlight of snow and sadness.
Speaker 1: And then the song um Owed for a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old girl starts playing by broken social scene. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's such a subtle joke because you need to know
Speaker 1: the name of the song to know that it's talking
Speaker 1: about Nie Chow in that moment. And then they don't,
Speaker 1: they don't call attention to it. It's just a complete
Speaker 1: one percent joke, and then they just keep going and
Speaker 1: then and then oh, then that follows it with another one.
Speaker 1: Then they get outside and Gideon Graves, Um, he's kind
Speaker 1: of showing off that he is in control of Ramona
Speaker 1: and so then playing outside the speakers of his car
Speaker 1: is under my thumb by the rolling stones. It's just
Speaker 1: such fun, like like they bothered to be clever. That's
Speaker 1: kind of all I can ask of anyone. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sitting down and giving you my time.
Speaker 1: Are are you grateful for my time? And you're going
Speaker 1: to bother to actually think about this and give me
Speaker 1: back something that's clever and fun? Yeah. Yeah. And the
Speaker 1: attention to detail and just the density of his movies
Speaker 1: is really like he's not phoning it in man like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really it makes you respect him, like you love
Speaker 1: the movies, but you also really respect him as a
Speaker 1: filmmaker because he does care about that thing and about
Speaker 1: the you know, the five people who know that that
Speaker 1: broken social scene song title. Uh, and I've got some
Speaker 1: of my favorite lines here too, um and little stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Sarah is so great, Like the cast
Speaker 1: is just unbelievable in this movie, but he feels like
Speaker 1: he was born to play um. From what I've heard, basically,
Speaker 1: Edgar Wright was a huge fan of Arrested Developments, like
Speaker 1: we all were in their early two thousands and um
Speaker 1: when he saw him, he was like he had just
Speaker 1: gotten the rights to make the movie, and so he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, if Michael Sarah was just a
Speaker 1: little bit older, he would be this perfect Scott Pilgrim. Then,
Speaker 1: of course the movie went into production hell, and it
Speaker 1: got delayed by like five years. And then yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh perfect, I can have my first choice
Speaker 1: now he has aged into it. Well. Of course, May Whitman,
Speaker 1: she was from Arrest of Development and she plays Roxy.
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of funny lines in this movie
Speaker 1: actually because she's kind of dumb and says things wrong.
Speaker 1: But the you punched me in the boob pair to
Speaker 1: die obviously, Uh, that's a great line from her. And
Speaker 1: then uh, geez, what was the other one? Oh? Here,
Speaker 1: and this is such a great dumb joke, but it
Speaker 1: gets me every single time. I literally laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: Your BF is about to get f in the b Yes,
Speaker 1: so simple. I'm the sucker for word play like that,
Speaker 1: and There's a lot of great word play in the movie,
Speaker 1: and a lot of really subtle lines for Michael Sarah
Speaker 1: because he's so low key whether or not he's saying, uh,
Speaker 1: she's America instead of she's American, just like little bitty
Speaker 1: jokes like that, or break out the L word lesbian,
Speaker 1: the other L word lesbians. Big Kieran Culkin fan two.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fantastic, perfect in this It was. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously everyone loves McCauley, but you know, watch more Biggy
Speaker 1: Goes Down and watch this movie and you're gonna love Karen.
Speaker 1: He's the best. I love, I love be Goes Down.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites too. Um. Brandon Routh was
Speaker 1: very surprisingly money. Yeah yeah, I did not know he
Speaker 1: had it in him, but he That was one of
Speaker 1: the funnier sequences was was him. And then of course
Speaker 1: Thomas Jane is part of the Vegan Police. Yes, very
Speaker 1: very funny stuff. You punched the highlights. He punched the
Speaker 1: highlights out of her hair. Uh. Here's two more favorite lines.
Speaker 1: If I peed my pants, would you pretend I just
Speaker 1: got wet from the rain. That's like a great song
Speaker 1: lyric or something. And then Kim has a great line too,
Speaker 1: and say something about a secret can we play a
Speaker 1: secret show? And she just throws it in there, all
Speaker 1: our shows or secret shows, and it moves so fast.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many lines coming at you there,
Speaker 1: these little quick insert lines, especially from Kim, these little
Speaker 1: asides that, uh that just really really hit home and
Speaker 1: in the best way. Alison Bill is great, Oh, just
Speaker 1: so good. Well. One of my favorite gifts that I've
Speaker 1: used my I guess for the past ten years, um,
Speaker 1: is the one of Alison Pill bringing her fingers up
Speaker 1: to her head as if she's gon shoot herself in
Speaker 1: the head and squeeze the trigger and then the word
Speaker 1: bang comes out the other side falls down. I use
Speaker 1: that gift far too often, but it's so perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: and everyone has a nice little arc too. Um. You still,
Speaker 1: you can make a movie like this that's fun and
Speaker 1: kind of bet ship crazy and visually just bonkers, but
Speaker 1: you have to have good story and good character arcs.
Speaker 1: And everyone has one, you know. I feel like Knives
Speaker 1: has one. I feel like Kim has one. She gets
Speaker 1: her a little moment at the end where there's a
Speaker 1: there's an understanding between she and Scott when he apologized
Speaker 1: to her. Um, Ramona certainly does Scott. Does I think
Speaker 1: Julie albrey Plaza is Julie never really? I mean she's
Speaker 1: she's great in the movie, but she she doesn't have
Speaker 1: much of an arc No, Um, yeah, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. It's um. It also to me just feels good,
Speaker 1: like I know, it actually has a lot in common
Speaker 1: with the movie did Last Week Still Crazy? Because it's
Speaker 1: it's a music centric band related etcetera, etcetera, And there's
Speaker 1: I would wonder, I know you and I both play music.
Speaker 1: I would wonder people who have never been in a
Speaker 1: band and like never gone to those dive venues and
Speaker 1: never done those kind of just like to me like
Speaker 1: essential parts of my childhood in my life, if it would,
Speaker 1: if it would strike as as as like close to
Speaker 1: the heart as it does with people like you and I.
Speaker 1: I would like to think so because I can watch
Speaker 1: you know, Remember the Titans, and I know that it's
Speaker 1: a good film despite the fact that I didn't play football.
Speaker 1: But but I I don't know if um, perhaps it
Speaker 1: was a world you needed to live to feel its
Speaker 1: authenticity Like I don't know, but but I I do
Speaker 1: know that like that feeling of playing music with with
Speaker 1: friends and being in sync with one another and actually
Speaker 1: creating something larger than yourself with this group of people.
Speaker 1: It just it feels good when you're doing it. And
Speaker 1: I think watching this movie makes you feel that feeling
Speaker 1: as well. And it's just a good feeling. It feels happy.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. And um, the band, the band stuff
Speaker 1: really works. Like we already said the music was great,
Speaker 1: but they they look the part, it's they pull it off.
Speaker 1: It feels like I didn't look it up. But is
Speaker 1: is a guy who plays Steven Stills? Is he really
Speaker 1: singing that stuff? He is? Yeah, all of the band
Speaker 1: had to learn their instruments, except for Michael Sarah. Michael
Speaker 1: Sarah already knew how to play bass, but but the
Speaker 1: other members all had to learn it and then do
Speaker 1: it for real. Yeah, it comes across. And now that
Speaker 1: you say that beck wrote the songs, it makes a
Speaker 1: lot more sense. They sound a little Becky. That sort
Speaker 1: of beat her acoustic guitar makes more sense now. I
Speaker 1: like that effect of that, that sort of beat up
Speaker 1: acoustic that's run through a distortion pedal a power amp,
Speaker 1: Like that's not something people do generally in a band,
Speaker 1: but it's got a cool sound to it. Um. What
Speaker 1: what you should look up when we're done here is um.
Speaker 1: There are versions you can hear of Beck performing his
Speaker 1: songs wrote for Sex. Yeah, they're wonderful, really good stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen as I'm sure you haven't seen Back a
Speaker 1: bunch of times over the years, and I always tell
Speaker 1: people you gotta go see Back. And even if people
Speaker 1: are like, well, that's sort of just like him, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, just go see him live, He's like, uh,
Speaker 1: the it's a weird comparison, but if you see him live,
Speaker 1: you get it. He's like the James Brown of our time. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I feel like when you see him live, dance moves aside,
Speaker 1: because he has killer dance moves that I've tried to
Speaker 1: replicate my whole life and never once come close to,
Speaker 1: but he pulls them off effortlessly, you know. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and just what he's been doing for the past like
Speaker 1: fifteen years with doing stuff like Sea Change in Morning Phase,
Speaker 1: which are two of my favorite albums of all time
Speaker 1: by anybody, but then coming back and doing something like
Speaker 1: uh it was the album Colors, the one, two albums
Speaker 1: Ago two, albums Ago right, just like hyper Space, Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah and hyper Space both just like serious party albums.
Speaker 1: And he's just sort of floating in between these were worlds.
Speaker 1: And that band that he plays with live is just
Speaker 1: so fucking kick cass Or able to just seamlessly kind
Speaker 1: of go back and forth. When they did you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of the sea change morning face stuff, it
Speaker 1: was like they had been replaced by different people. They
Speaker 1: were just so lithe and able to bounce around between.
Speaker 1: Because he's a genre hopper anyway, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: he's always done. But uh boy, it was just so
Speaker 1: so great to see him live. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: go see live music again. I I agree. I I
Speaker 1: still have a big pile of concert tickets and UM
Speaker 1: bracelets from festivals just sitting around my house that that
Speaker 1: are that I couldn't go to obviously that I just
Speaker 1: can't bear to throw away. Had. Yeah, but like I
Speaker 1: had some noise pop UM festivals as things. I had
Speaker 1: big years up in uh Tennessee. I UM I had
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of tickets for UM. I live right
Speaker 1: here by the Earl, so I go to the Earl
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Well, I went to the earl
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and um, yeah I have to.
Speaker 1: I have some shaking near knees stuff, and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I can't throw it away because it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, almost like admitting that it's gone. It's
Speaker 1: never gonna happen again. I don't know, now, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of big show tickets. Um, I
Speaker 1: had the um Guns and Roses at grant Field, had
Speaker 1: tickets for that, and that didn't happen. And then I
Speaker 1: had tickets for Roger Waters, had really good seats for
Speaker 1: Roger Waters, and I was so looking forward to that,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, hopefully he'll come back. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, with with all the news of vaccines, I'm
Speaker 1: much more optimistic today than I was a week ago.
Speaker 1: You know, totally absolutely. Chris Evans pops into the movie,
Speaker 1: just Evans as Lucas Lee, and he has that I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of the funniest sequences in the movie, I
Speaker 1: think because he's so perfect for that part skateboarding onto
Speaker 1: the set. Uh, that one line where he where the
Speaker 1: stunt doubles come out and he goes Sometimes I let
Speaker 1: him do the white shots when I feel like getting
Speaker 1: Blaze back in my winnie. He's so great. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just a national treasure man. Everything that guy does
Speaker 1: is perfect. I think, oh yeah, no. And it's it's
Speaker 1: fun to see him being himself too, because I remember,
Speaker 1: relatively early on in his success of his career, he
Speaker 1: would still do things like show up on like Doug
Speaker 1: Loves Movies and stuff like that all the time, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, good for you, buddy, Like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: You're just a likable guy and you're playing that role
Speaker 1: in life as well as in movies, and we all
Speaker 1: appreciate it. He seems like a totally cool dude. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of mad at him because of like how handsome
Speaker 1: and perfect he is while also being super cool and
Speaker 1: up for anything. Yeah yeahing for the cracks that there
Speaker 1: should be something but yeah, no, no that yeah there,
Speaker 1: there's there's those John Hamm people in the world. We're
Speaker 1: just like, come on, be be bad at something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, have been missing a hand, I don't know something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I met John him once, very briefly, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to kiss him. Yes, of course I wanted to kiss
Speaker 1: that sweet handsome face. Uh. There was another very funny, funny,
Speaker 1: very quick, subtle joke. Um. Another great example how Edgar right,
Speaker 1: just like it's just overstuffed with little quick lines that
Speaker 1: you've got to see this movie a few times to
Speaker 1: really kind of get everything. But when he's when Chris
Speaker 1: Evans is grinding that rail on the skateboard, and then
Speaker 1: that's really funny, super long, uh long lin shot where
Speaker 1: he just burst into flames at the bottom and yeah,
Speaker 1: the first thing you hear is, wow, that's a wrap.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the background, it's it's it's fantastic. And I
Speaker 1: feel like Edgar Wright has done this again and again,
Speaker 1: and I'm up for it every time. Like like um,
Speaker 1: the jokes from his Corneto trilogy, Uh, Shaun of the Dead, Um,
Speaker 1: Hot Fuzz and the one I was get confused with
Speaker 1: all the other movies about the end of the world, Um,
Speaker 1: the end of the World, the World's end, at World's End.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the only one I haven't seen.
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen that one. It's solid. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's of course it is, you know, it's called
Speaker 1: all the Great Players. Yeah, but but just think about
Speaker 1: how dense and structured Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the
Speaker 1: Dead are like, you're just their perfection. Every single little
Speaker 1: off comments comes back in the end and like it
Speaker 1: just all pays off. It's all so funny. Edgar Wright
Speaker 1: really is a treasure. Like like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he gets enough credits for what he does. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's one of those guys that's working
Speaker 1: sort of he's leveled up and he's working on a
Speaker 1: different plane than a lot of other filmmakers. Um Like,
Speaker 1: like what's going on inside his brain to be able
Speaker 1: to make any of his movies or to be able
Speaker 1: to visualize in storyboard a Baby Driver or a Scott
Speaker 1: Pilgrim or any of them. They're just, uh, it's really
Speaker 1: really impressive stuff and it looks and it feels effortless.
Speaker 1: They're just so easy to watch. Yeah, no, no, um Like, like,
Speaker 1: for example, you know there's um when you were asking
Speaker 1: me which movie to pick, there's to me, there's a
Speaker 1: big difference between what you think is the best movie
Speaker 1: and which you consider a favorite movie, as I'm sure
Speaker 1: most people do. Like absolutely, if someone were to ask
Speaker 1: me what do I think is the best movie? I'd
Speaker 1: probably say The Master that that Paul Thomas Anderson. Yea,
Speaker 1: just you know, the acting, the decisions, the mastery of
Speaker 1: every single medium being delivered into like a solid chunk.
Speaker 1: I mean, The Master is probably the best movie. But
Speaker 1: how often do I watch it? Not that often. I
Speaker 1: can watch Scott Pilgram with ease. It's it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's a nice, you know, warm cup of tea in
Speaker 1: the morning. It's it's it's perfect, you know. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was. It's one of those that back when I
Speaker 1: had cable and you would just flip around. You can
Speaker 1: watch any part of it for fifteen or twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: and that is fifteen or twenty minutes of your life
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna want back, you know. Definitely you
Speaker 1: can jump in there and just appreciate, uh, any part
Speaker 1: of this movie. Um Jason Schwartzman unbelievable, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite actors. A thing about Jason Schwartzman in this I'd
Speaker 1: love to know. I don't know if this story is public.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine knew him, and um or still
Speaker 1: does know him. I don't know. I don't know him.
Speaker 1: And from this friend he told me he was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: Jason's really excited about this movie, because this is gonna
Speaker 1: be his first big blockbuster and I'm like, what, No, No,
Speaker 1: obviously he's been in tons of big blockbusters. He's like,
Speaker 1: think again, Like, think about every movie Jason Schwartzman has
Speaker 1: done pre Scott Pilgrim, and I'm like, yeah, very popular films,
Speaker 1: beloved cult classics, but never like a blockbuster. So he's more,
Speaker 1: wasn't some huge movie? No, no, none, None of his
Speaker 1: films have been. They've all been great. Of course I
Speaker 1: love Jason Schwartzman, but this was gonna be his big breakouts,
Speaker 1: Like this was gonna be his big studio film. I'm
Speaker 1: an all star now. And so what's funny was after
Speaker 1: the movie came out, I was like, Oh, I have
Speaker 1: have you spoken to Jason? Did? Did you find out?
Speaker 1: He was really excited. He's like no, like why, He's
Speaker 1: like it flopped. I'm like, it didn't flop. He's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it flopped, Like no, no, it's a great movie. It's
Speaker 1: really goes like everyone loves it, but it flopped. And
Speaker 1: I I'm still baffled by that, but whatever, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's definitely a movie that has had
Speaker 1: a tremendous second life post theatrical run. Um, and you
Speaker 1: know that happens. It's just one of those things where
Speaker 1: whether it was back in the VHS days or DVD
Speaker 1: or now streaming, where a movie can just I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's timing, uh, because it is strange how how
Speaker 1: that that many people can love this movie because I
Speaker 1: feel like it is a very beloved movie. But maybe
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that I didn't even really know
Speaker 1: much about the comic at all going in, Like so
Speaker 1: when it when it came out in the theaters, it
Speaker 1: wasn't something that grabbed my attention like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this Got Pilgrim movie is out right, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it does come down to marketing. That's always such
Speaker 1: a dangerously yeah Ellen Wong as knives Chow so cute,
Speaker 1: so endearing. Um, this movie does a thing where it
Speaker 1: kind of leaves you guessing up until the very end,
Speaker 1: like and and not only guessing on what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I think makes you conflicted as a viewer of
Speaker 1: whether or not who you want Scott to be with,
Speaker 1: Like you're kind of going back and forth between Ramona, Uh,
Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth win said, who was fantastic and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like every every person whoever saw this movie has like
Speaker 1: a huge crush on her after this of course, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that cool hair and just like her like a loof persona,
Speaker 1: Like every guy in the world is just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was like my dream girl, you know,
Speaker 1: because uh, we all want to be hurt, I think
Speaker 1: deep down. But even watching it today, I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: do I want him to be with Ramona or Knives
Speaker 1: Nice as great? Yeah? Well, did you know that there
Speaker 1: is an alternate ending to this film where he ends
Speaker 1: up with Nice? Really? Doesn't the DVD in the blue ray?
Speaker 1: And um and yeah, because um from what I have heard,
Speaker 1: basically because there are I think six the other six
Speaker 1: books in the actual series, only the first two were
Speaker 1: finished when the when the first draft of the script
Speaker 1: was written. So, um, I know Brian Lee O'Malley, the
Speaker 1: guy that wrote the comics and drew the comics, he
Speaker 1: was very involved just because Edgar Wright really wanted to
Speaker 1: involve him. So I'm sure he got all kinds of
Speaker 1: notes from Brian Lee O'Malley, like oh, where do you
Speaker 1: think the story is going? Etcetera, etcetera. But that that's
Speaker 1: also it makes a lot of sense if you read
Speaker 1: the comics and watch the movie where it's got kind
Speaker 1: of a game of throne syndrome, were like clearly the
Speaker 1: ones where they are basing it on the book. It's
Speaker 1: real stretched out and he got tons of time and
Speaker 1: energy spent there because think about it, like the first
Speaker 1: three Evil x Is take up like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: three quarters of the movie, and then like the last
Speaker 1: few are in rapid succession all at the end. That's
Speaker 1: because those books weren't written yet, so so those stories
Speaker 1: hadn't been fleshed out, and there wasn't there wasn't there
Speaker 1: wasn't anything there like so so for example, Um, you
Speaker 1: can tell the timeline of the movie by Ramona's hair
Speaker 1: because Ramona says she changes her hair every week and
Speaker 1: a half, so it changes three times, so it's approximately
Speaker 1: four weeks. You know. That's that's what we know that
Speaker 1: it takes place over a year in the books, So
Speaker 1: you see so much more of their lives. You see um,
Speaker 1: Scott getting a job, You see Ramona like you know,
Speaker 1: going back and forth on how she feels about Scott's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: this real growth you see Knives Turn eighteen. Like all
Speaker 1: these things happen in the books, and so it kind
Speaker 1: of makes um one thing, which is like the reason
Speaker 1: why they're all kind of like as dedicated to each
Speaker 1: other as they feel like they are in the movie.
Speaker 1: It makes a little more sense in the book because
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, it unfolds more slowly
Speaker 1: and realistically. You know. Yeah, but it didn't suffer from it.
Speaker 1: I don't think either, especially because at that age infatuation
Speaker 1: was so strong. Yeah, like totally, it feels absolutely I
Speaker 1: I fully agree. But boh, but but back to the
Speaker 1: alternate ending with Knives chow Um, it's fascinating because it
Speaker 1: makes just as much sense, like you were saying, like
Speaker 1: like it really does feel because ultimately it's the same scene,
Speaker 1: but instead of him walking off with Ramona, Ramona goes
Speaker 1: you know, you two really were good together, and then
Speaker 1: Ramona walks off alone and those two walk off together.
Speaker 1: You know, that almost feels like the more natural ending
Speaker 1: to this movie. Because Ramona is a loner, she has
Speaker 1: a hard time committing. It's probably Knives is probably the
Speaker 1: better choice. I mean, Scott's really immature, so maybe he
Speaker 1: should be with someone about five years younger than him maybe, so. Uh,
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny what a big deal they
Speaker 1: make about that at the beginning, that you know, she's seventeen.
Speaker 1: She's seventeen, and he's what I guess, like twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's twenty two. Yeah. The actor who plays with though,
Speaker 1: Ellen Wong, I'm not sure how old. Oh she was
Speaker 1: twenty five when they when she filmed this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew she was a little bit older because she's thirty
Speaker 1: five now, Like she's older than Bree Larson by four
Speaker 1: or five years. Yeah, yeah, she's currently young face though,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure. Um. A lot of the actors
Speaker 1: swapped up. Their age is a lot like for example,
Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick is actually older than Michael Sarah but plays
Speaker 1: his little sister. Um, there's's apparently several things like that.
Speaker 1: But you know they're they're all around that twenties age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Anna Kendrick is also just in this movie
Speaker 1: for a minute or two. Uh. And Bree Larson just
Speaker 1: a little actor named Bree Larson. I mean she's blown
Speaker 1: up since then. But when you look at the cast,
Speaker 1: it's really really pretty astonishing. I mean, basically everyone is
Speaker 1: an all star in this Like even the people where
Speaker 1: I don't know their names, I still really like them
Speaker 1: in other movies, Like the the guy that plays Young Neil.
Speaker 1: He was really wonderful in Jennifer's Body. Did you ever
Speaker 1: see that movie? Yeah, And just like dumb stuff like
Speaker 1: that where it's just like, oh, yeah, no, that's a
Speaker 1: great actor. That's a great actor. That's a great actor.
Speaker 1: Like they're all good you know, no, no, there there's
Speaker 1: there's no um, there's no weak chain on this movie
Speaker 1: at all. Everyone's perfect and what they're doing. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I feel like he's sort of, um, he broke some
Speaker 1: of these people. I mean some of them were in
Speaker 1: other movies. But like I said, Bree Larson wasn't that
Speaker 1: huge then. Anna Kendrick had yet to kind of really
Speaker 1: blow up I think at that point. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: pre Twilight, pre Pitch Perfect. So yeah, yeah, um the
Speaker 1: guy like you were talking about, um, Young Neil Johnny Simmons.
Speaker 1: He has another very very quick little joke that is
Speaker 1: so easy to miss. Um early on in the Battle
Speaker 1: of the Bands when he is side stage singing, Um,
Speaker 1: he's singing along with the band and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about he goes, oh no instead
Speaker 1: of saying oh my, and he does that thing where
Speaker 1: that where everyone's done it, where you mess up a
Speaker 1: word and he goes oh no, and then he goes
Speaker 1: my yes. Because I I do think there's something very
Speaker 1: instinctual in all of us when we go see a
Speaker 1: concert that inside our bodies we want to feel like
Speaker 1: we're involved. And that's why we sing along, that's why
Speaker 1: we clap along, that's how we dance along. And and
Speaker 1: then those moments happen where you think something's happening, but
Speaker 1: you're obviously wrong, and you're quickly reminded and embarrassed by
Speaker 1: the fact that, oh wait, I'm not involved. You're not
Speaker 1: a part of this. I'm not My contribution is not
Speaker 1: a part of what's making this great. I only feel
Speaker 1: that on the inside. Yeah, although you know and you
Speaker 1: know this too, and I know this isn't what you meant.
Speaker 1: But I've been to shows where the crowd has clearly
Speaker 1: taken things up a nuch. Yeah, I went to a
Speaker 1: U And the one that most recently then I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of and even had him on movie Crush was Albert
Speaker 1: Hammond Jr. Um played at Terminal West here and it
Speaker 1: was you know, I mean, I'll go to a show
Speaker 1: any night of the week, but those there's something about
Speaker 1: a Friday night show. People have gotten off work. It's
Speaker 1: the beginning of the weekend. They're always better. Um, people
Speaker 1: partying a little harder and it's just a little bit
Speaker 1: more intense. But he uh played on a Friday night
Speaker 1: on his last time through town, and it was just
Speaker 1: just unbelievable how much more energy that show had because
Speaker 1: of the crowd, and you could sense it in the band,
Speaker 1: you could, and he even said something, he was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on in Atlanta tonight? And he was like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing and you could tell they were feeding
Speaker 1: off of it. And I talked to him afterwards he
Speaker 1: and I was like, that seemed like a great show.
Speaker 1: And I always whenever I have the few times have
Speaker 1: been able to like meet and know a musician and
Speaker 1: go backstage and stuff, I'm always like, was that a
Speaker 1: good show? Like, because it felt great? But what do
Speaker 1: you think? Um? And the same thing happened to a
Speaker 1: Doctor Dog show I went to. Both times. They were like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: that was one of the best shows on the tour
Speaker 1: so far, and you can you can tell you know,
Speaker 1: it's infectious. I had one of those moments last year
Speaker 1: obviously pre covid uh Slater Kenny was playing here in town,
Speaker 1: and actually me and Nol went together to that show.
Speaker 1: And um, obviously, as as I'm sure you can tell
Speaker 1: from getting to know me now, Nolan and I are
Speaker 1: very similar people. I like Nola lots. He's a great dude. Um,
Speaker 1: So we went to this show and um, I wanted
Speaker 1: to go to that show. Yeah, it was great, it
Speaker 1: was really great. And um then uh, Carrie Brownstein was
Speaker 1: upfront because she was singing her song Modern Girl, and
Speaker 1: the audience was singing along with such fervor and like
Speaker 1: ferocity along with her that she broke down into tears
Speaker 1: turned the end of the song Are you kidding Me?
Speaker 1: And it was just such a beautiful moment, you know,
Speaker 1: of just to like have her experience the love back
Speaker 1: in real time. It's great stuff. So cool. Music's the greatest,
Speaker 1: which is I think what what makes this movie so great.
Speaker 1: Here's a little fun fact. Corn Tucker is uh in
Speaker 1: her whole family or big stuff. He should know fans.
Speaker 1: Oh that's wonderful, that's what she's cool. I've met her
Speaker 1: and I know her husband Lance a little bit. And uh,
Speaker 1: she's actually gonna be in conversation with Josh and I
Speaker 1: on one of our virtual book tour stops. Nice. Uh.
Speaker 1: And she is just super nice and a a wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful human being. So she is exactly how you would
Speaker 1: think she would be. That's perfection. That's that's all I
Speaker 1: want from her, and I'm happy it's true. Uh. And
Speaker 1: great family too, They're just they're just wonderful people. Another
Speaker 1: little quick joke when she's going through the t selection
Speaker 1: so fast Ramona in her apartment. Um, liver disaster. I
Speaker 1: always think twice about liver disaster because because some of
Speaker 1: those are our teas that I genuinely drink in my
Speaker 1: real life. I genuinely genuinely drink Sleepy Time tea pretty often.
Speaker 1: So liver disaster. Well, I'm sure you've had throat coat
Speaker 1: if you, uh, yes, yes, and yeah, you gotta gotta
Speaker 1: keep I have a cup of peppermint big alt right
Speaker 1: here next to me, just in case I need it. Nice.
Speaker 1: I had some English breakfast this morning. Uh. I also
Speaker 1: wanted to comment to on like how good the music
Speaker 1: is is really evidenced in that little acoustic Ramo in
Speaker 1: a song that Michael Sarah in the movie Michael, you know,
Speaker 1: Scott Pilgrim writes for her is that's such a great
Speaker 1: little chord progression. There's something about it. It's, uh it
Speaker 1: feels sort of Frank Blackie and sort of Pixies esque.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't did Beck do that? Do you know?
Speaker 1: He did? He did? Yes? Yeah, And there's a chord
Speaker 1: sequences just gets me there. There's a full length version
Speaker 1: of it on the soundtrack that's wanderful, really good stuff.
Speaker 1: But uh, no, you know, you're you're absolutely right, Like
Speaker 1: there's just this there's this X factor in music that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have kind of like talked about before,
Speaker 1: but when you get it right, it just feels so right.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, um, do you know about the whole
Speaker 1: thing of aesthetic bliss for zon? If you were talked
Speaker 1: about thought about that before, no more or less and
Speaker 1: and this is I'm nowhere and you're smart enough to
Speaker 1: know the science behind this. But for Zon is the
Speaker 1: feeling when you're listening to music or watching a movie
Speaker 1: and you get the chills go up your spine. Okay,
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, it's it's a French term and it
Speaker 1: translates to aesthetic bliss. And um, I'm a person who
Speaker 1: experiences that often music, especially like when when when a
Speaker 1: certain chorus kicks in or certain like change happens, Like
Speaker 1: I'll get that often. I get those chills from this
Speaker 1: movie like five or six times. Like there are just
Speaker 1: so many moments that feel so right and um, and
Speaker 1: like it's I think it's the music. I think the
Speaker 1: music and the tone of music and the feeling of music,
Speaker 1: and I think anyone who's a music fan just feels
Speaker 1: a part of it. And I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the singing along thing where it's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: part of this, I'm involved. You know, it makes you
Speaker 1: want to go grab your guitar and learn that chord sequence.
Speaker 1: I was trying to follow along, but um, I'll hear
Speaker 1: the song later and I'll get up my guitar and
Speaker 1: I will start playing that Ramota song. Totally. It's so great.
Speaker 1: And you know how they fused the music and the
Speaker 1: video game stuff and fantasy and reality in the movie.
Speaker 1: How it's uh, you know, it's definitely a fantasy film
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but it's also grounded in
Speaker 1: that you know, when Scott's doing these fights, uh, his
Speaker 1: sister is just looking like what the fund is he doing?
Speaker 1: Like how does he know how to do that? And
Speaker 1: it just sort of dances between these worlds very definitely. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a bit of a miracle of a movie,
Speaker 1: I think to be able to pull this off. It
Speaker 1: was very risky and it could have gone wrong a
Speaker 1: lot of times, and it just never did. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of things about what you just said. First of all,
Speaker 1: that moment which is wonderful with Anna Kendrick when he's
Speaker 1: doing the first fight um uh in the in the
Speaker 1: club and m Matthew Patellmes in that's thirty minutes into
Speaker 1: the film before we get our first fight scene. Like,
Speaker 1: that's that is gutsy, and I really really appreciate that
Speaker 1: because it's it's kind of like a from Dusk till
Speaker 1: Dawn kind of thing, and you're like, Okay, we're having
Speaker 1: a heist movie vampires, you know, like you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't know the story, it's it feels just like
Speaker 1: a really kind of fun, interesting, romantic comedy with a
Speaker 1: different spin on it. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: at that first plot point, that act break you you
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen is he's got all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the stakes are there. He's got to fight these evil
Speaker 1: x is. And that's when the movie just kind of
Speaker 1: goes up again. It loves it levels up, to use
Speaker 1: a video game term. And I think that moment with
Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick when she she just goes like what you
Speaker 1: just I think she's reflecting the audience there where you
Speaker 1: you acknowledge that the film has acknowledged that this is confusing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Uh.
Speaker 1: I love everything about it. It's a movie that I
Speaker 1: want to see a sequel for. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that is a thing or not. Not not really in
Speaker 1: the books because the books wrapped up there. Um, so
Speaker 1: I would love it too. Yeah, I want that. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get lucky. You know. While I'm reading now,
Speaker 1: it says Edgar Right has revealed he's intentative stages of
Speaker 1: planning a new, possibly animated project with the original material,
Speaker 1: but a big screen sequel is unlikely. Well, I'll take anything, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then totally that would still be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's a little old now. I don't know
Speaker 1: Michael Sarah what he's he's probably too old a place,
Speaker 1: Scott didn't he I mean, unless they did that thing
Speaker 1: where the film jumps forward in time, you know, like, um,
Speaker 1: did you ever read the graphic novel for Fight Club too? No?
Speaker 1: I heard about that though. It's really interesting, and the
Speaker 1: way that they accomplish it is basically they jumped forward
Speaker 1: in time because obviously that if the story continued right
Speaker 1: where they left off, it would more or less be
Speaker 1: the same. But they jumped forward to they're married, they
Speaker 1: have a kid, etcetera, etcetera. Interesting, and so then it
Speaker 1: is much more of like a oh, what could be happening,
Speaker 1: Let's catch up, almost like seven up style, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's something um in in the regard to like
Speaker 1: this movie being just like so strange structurally and being
Speaker 1: kind of a fantasy and kind of all these things. Um.
Speaker 1: I heard Edgar Wright say this thing once where basically
Speaker 1: he considered this film to be a musical, except instead
Speaker 1: of breaking into songs, they've broke into fights. That's great sense,
Speaker 1: you know, It's like I feel that because especially, you know,
Speaker 1: like in most musicals, there's no reason for them to
Speaker 1: break into song. It just kind of happens at like
Speaker 1: a heightened point of emotion. Same thing. There's no real
Speaker 1: reason for these fights to break out, but in the
Speaker 1: logic of the world, it makes sense, you know. Yeah. Uh, well, dude,
Speaker 1: I feel like we could keep talking, but I have
Speaker 1: to go get my daughter from school, so unfortunately we
Speaker 1: have to cut this short. But I think Seth, you
Speaker 1: have worked your way into the regular rotation. If you're
Speaker 1: up for it anytime you need me, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: here for, sweet man. That's awesome. This is a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It's good to get to know you. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the listeners have gotten to know you a
Speaker 1: little bit. And uh, you know, whether you like it
Speaker 1: or not, you're gonna start coming on like a very
Speaker 1: you know, six or seven weeks. Maybe you got it.
Speaker 1: It sounds great, buddy, Thanks a lot. Movie Crash is
Speaker 1: produced and written by Charles Bryant and Meel Brown, edited
Speaker 1: and engineered by Seth Nicholas Johnson, and scored by Noel
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