1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: a bed and we are joined as always with our 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: super producer Paul mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is no secret, fellow 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, that this is one of our favorite times 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: of the week. We put a lot of time into this. 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Always always say that you are the most important part 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: of the show. And this is a Thursday where we 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: put our mouths where mouth is whatever, where our money 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: maker is five yes, yeah, why not? And uh so Noel, Matt, 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: Doc Michigantrol Scully over there behind me. We're always so 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 1: excited for this part of the week because we combed 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: through voicemails. We read every email we get. We find 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: um anonymous sources that have reached out to us through 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: any variety of means, and the only problem that we 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: will always have with this is that we we can 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: only choose so many stories for today's show for the 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: listener mail segment, but we have got so much great 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: stuff lined up and we cannot wait to share it 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: with you. Today. We are traveling through time. We're traveling 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: through more than just a universe. We're traveling through a metaverse. 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: And we got an excellent question from a certain Puts 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: who was and that's not being mean. You'll see why 29 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: and certain puts who um was asking a question that 30 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: I think more people should be asking. But let's you 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Let's go big. Let's start big today. 32 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: Let's start with a boom. What do you think, Matt? 33 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Should we start with a boom? Yeah? Boom? Oh yeah, 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: um to a slim Jim, So remember those. We're gonna 35 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: vegin uh in New Mexico with a message from big Boy. 36 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is a big Boy over here in 37 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Alama Gordon, New Mexico. So about two weeks ago, we 38 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: had four sonic booms, one right after another, which is 39 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: a fairly common occurrence because we lived right next to 40 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: the Hall and Air Force Base and the White Sand's 41 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: Missile where they frequently break the sound barrier and shut 42 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: the highway down for missile tests. But what was weird 43 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: was the timing. He was later at night, typically when 44 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: they have a no fly time, and I have a 45 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: friend who works on the flight line and he was 46 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: working that night and he said not a single plane 47 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: had left the air way. And he also said the 48 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: nearest airbase was in Albuquerque, and typically if they didn't 49 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: take off from here, they would have come from there 50 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: and they would have had to have landed in Hollman 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: unless they did some midflight refueling. But there was no 52 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: one around. There was no planes taken off. And then 53 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: right after it happened, all the military police were gone 54 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: around doing basically like street checks just to kind of 55 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: well some confusion. He was asking some guy, one of 56 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: the MPs, what was going on, and he said, you know, 57 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And the first thing you think 58 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: when someone says don't worry about is something suspicious. So anyways, 59 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I thought you guys might like to hear that. I 60 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: love the show. Take care. Oh you know, we love 61 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: to hear it. Big Boy. Sonic booms usually go like 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: one after the other when it happens, like aren't they 63 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: sometimes like big one followed by a smaller one. It 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: depends on the the speed uh and the nature of 65 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: the aircraft. They're overwhelmingly but not always caused by aircraft 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: who are like the most cop who are who are 67 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: the most common objects capable of traveling faster than the 68 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: speed of sound? Also shout out to Royce five nine 69 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: boom DJ Premier. Check it out. If you haven't heard it, 70 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: not you would especially would love it. No, you would 71 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: love the beat too, duck, I love a good beat. 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Oh snap, Well, speaking of beats, let's talk about that 73 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: percussive sound of seven hundred and sixty one miles per 74 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: hour being broken, which is the barrier? Guys, um, It's 75 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: an interesting thing that humans can create vehicles that can 76 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: travel that fast, that can do this feat right, create 77 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a sonic boom that sends out a massive pressure wave 78 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that makes everybody's house go just a little bit, can 79 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: break windows. Sonic booms cannot be great for you know, 80 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: structural integrity, depending on how close the boom is. But 81 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: even then it doesn't he doesn't have to be that 82 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: close because it is a pressure wave. Oh yeah in 83 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: your ears. Not great for your ears, thank you, ben. 84 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh and I'm a big dummy. Sonic booms only happened 85 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: once when the when the sound barrier is broken, So 86 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: if there were multiples, they would have to be like 87 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: multiple planes, or the speed could vary and happen multiple 88 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: times because of acceleration and deceleration. M Oh, yeah, you'll 89 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 1: see it often. I don't know if you guys remember 90 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: watching air shows with like f sixteens or some of 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: them back in the day. Sure, yeah, I love it. 92 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: I love it. Um. But that's also you're raising a 93 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: really important point there, because since like the early nineteen seventies, 94 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: it has been illegal in the US to fly a 95 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: craft such that it makes a sonic boom over a 96 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: densely populated area. It's one of those rules that is 97 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: so specific it feels like it's for billionaires. You know. 98 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: It's like a lan please or Bill Gates or whomever 99 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: was around in the seventies. They were like, don't fly 100 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: these things over Chicago or whatever. But here in the 101 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: fair metropolis of Atlanta, we were quite I don't know. 102 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a controversy during the 103 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: pandemic when the Blue Angels flew over this city. It 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: was part of UM like a recognition ceremony, like a 105 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: morale booster, and people were also asking valid questions about 106 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: why this expend spectacle was taking place, but in their defense, 107 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: it was already a training exercise that was scheduled, So 108 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: just BLUs that real quick. Well, And the air shows 109 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: they're like morale things. They're almost like military parades. They're 110 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: they're like a show of of might in a certain sense. 111 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: But also masquerading is like a fun family event. And 112 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: when a show of force like that is going to happen, 113 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: or you know, a spectacle like that's gonna happen, and 114 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: there's an announcement, Hey, this is going to be happening, generally, 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: that's how it occurs, even when they're when they're going 116 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: to be sonic booms occurring due to the flights at 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: an Air Force base like out there at Holloman a 118 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: FB where our caller Big Boy is around, like in 119 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a terror which is right over there. Yeah yeah, Otaro County, 120 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: New Mexico, right near the White Sands National Park near 121 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the missile range and all of that. Uh, there will 122 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: be a warning issued such as the one that was 123 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: posted on k r w G dot org, which is 124 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: a local NPR station out there affiliate and PBS station 125 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: they put out a notice on January two thousand ten. 126 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: This is just an example. Uh, they said, Hey, Uh, 127 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: officials with the forty nine Fighter Wing have announced that 128 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Holloman the Air Force Base is hosting an aerial exercise 129 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: involving a number of aircraft. And it lets you know 130 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: when it's happening. It's going to continue, um this week 131 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: until January then in two thousand ten, and it gives 132 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: you details. You know, you may experience sonic booms. And uh, 133 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: the sonic boom that was experienced on the evening of 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: January four was related to the exercise. So letting the 135 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: people who live in that area know this kind of 136 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: thing happened and we'll continue to happen. Well, something very 137 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: similar occurred on January of this year in a couple 138 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: of places, not just in the area immediately surrounding the 139 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: White Sands Missile Test area in the Holloman Air Force Base. 140 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: If you head on over to Alma Gordo News dot com, 141 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: you can read the story quote sonic booms heard in 142 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: Otaro County were from Holloman Air Force Base night flights. 143 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: And it's a situation where there was not notice given 144 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: to the surrounding area. This is an after the fact 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: situation where a bunch of people went on Facebook and 146 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: read it in other places and said, Hey, did y'all 147 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: hear that crazy loud series of booms last night? Right 148 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: right right? And you know, maybe not everybody has a 149 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: friend the way big boy does who happens to work 150 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: at Holloman who knows when flights are coming and leaving. 151 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: Uh So, everyone was just freaked out, well, at least 152 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: on in this case, on January twenty round January so 153 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: probably January. Uh it was, in fact, at least according 154 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: to the news and official sources, a series of flights 155 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: night flights of F sixteens that were flying around making 156 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: big booms at night in place. Let me just give 157 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: you a quote here from this article. Quote we did 158 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: confirm with h A f B. That's all in an 159 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Air Force base. They are flying nights. If you see 160 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: an explosion or fire, please call nine one one. Jeez, okay, 161 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: get right to it. No, no, you know, it's a 162 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: group effort. I like that involve your local community, right. 163 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: Uh So posted on next door, you know, like at 164 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: the the Air Force in there, just like posting on 165 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: next door, Yeah, next door US official post post here 166 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: everyone fire last night, and anyone to tell us what 167 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: happened to this jet? And someone responds, hey, because people 168 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: on next door are always atrocious, similar responds, Hey, the 169 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: real question is who is pooping in my yard? I 170 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: was literally going to say that, Ben, get out of 171 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: my head, because I don't. I don't think it's the 172 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: chihuahua down the street anymore. It's just too big. I did, 173 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: are too big. But this is but this is important because, 174 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: like a sonic boom is something that we talked about 175 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: this with the the problem of satellite surveillance. A sonic boom, 176 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: like a satellite, cannot at this point really be disguised 177 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: if people want to know about it. There's not really 178 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: a way to hide it. Um. I think sonic booms 179 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: are pretty impressive because it's kind of cool that humans 180 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: have reached that point where they can beat the speed 181 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: of sound. You know, it makes me optimistic about some 182 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: workarounds from the speed of light. Um at some point. 183 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: But with this, like like you're saying, Matt, due to 184 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: the inherent transparency of a sonic boom, if you are 185 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: around the area when it happens, you're going to hear it, 186 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: unless you are unless you have a medical condition that 187 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: damage has damaged your hearing, You're you're gonna know, You're 188 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: gonna know something happened. And because of that, the people 189 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: in charge or the institutions in charge of creating these 190 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: sonic booms, do you have to like it is now 191 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: in their best interest to be accountable for it. Uh, 192 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: the only time that I don't know. Maybe we'll get 193 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: to this in a second, but missiles also creates sonic booms. 194 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: You may ask why you're not hearing them. We have 195 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: an answer later, I imagine is it because of the 196 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: altitude or is it I don't know, I don't know 197 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the answer that question. It is it is? Uh, we 198 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: can answer now. So when a rocket is launched vertically, 199 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: like it comes up from the silo. I love that 200 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: we mentioned Dr Strangeloves, So it comes up from the silo. 201 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: It's over now, the war is hot. Uh, something went 202 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: wrong in Ukraine? Right, And then you'll see the you know, 203 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: the I'm doing prop work here with my hands, but 204 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: you'll see the silo open up, you know, and then 205 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: boom boom, boom, boom boom, the I, C, B, M, 206 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: S or what have you start flying and once the 207 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: when the missile initially launches, it's subsonic. Subsonic is just 208 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: a fat, an easy way of saying, it's not breaking 209 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: the speed of sound. And then once it goes supersonic, 210 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: once it breaks the speed of sound, and it's like 211 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: angling toward whatever whatever country happens, And I hope the 212 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: nukes never launched. But when it goes supersonic, that shock 213 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: wave is created the same way you see like water 214 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: ripple behind a boat at speed, but this by the 215 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: time this hits supersonic level, that wave, if you can picture, 216 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: that wave is propagating above your heads, above your hearing range. 217 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: Unless you are insanely tall, like unless you are Kaiju 218 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: level tall, you're not gonna You're not gonna hear it. Uh. 219 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: And if you hear The scary part is if you 220 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: hear one of those rockets zoom horizontally past you or 221 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: it's directly over you, once it goes from vertical to horizontal, 222 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: you could probably hear it if it's large enough, if 223 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: it's close enough. Um, it's fun. Fact, dude, bullets are 224 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: technically supersonic, right, Like the speed of a bullet is 225 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: faster than the speed of sound. Sure, but just tiny 226 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: little guys. Okay, I'm just trying. I don't know anything 227 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: about physics. You think about all those ripples they cause 228 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: in bullet time, you know, like they literally cause ripples 229 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: and time space, right, that's all real? Right, Well, I 230 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: mean this is this is somewhat tangential. I'm just if anything, 231 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: I just find this science fascinating. You can check out 232 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. What causes a sonic boom? 233 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: If you want a pretty great explanation. That's awesome, and 234 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: it's actually good that we're talking about that, about altitude, 235 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: about pitch and all that, because I'm gonna read a 236 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: tiny bit more from the Alma Gordo Daily News here. 237 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: Quote there were F six teams from Holloman Air Force 238 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: Base flying over the Tolarosa Basin last night around nine 239 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: pm that did produce sonic booms. The F six teams 240 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: were flying in airspace at an altitude authorized for sonic events. 241 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: And that's important because again, generally, when these things are happening, 242 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: it's in a place where they should be happening, where 243 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: it may lessen the impact on surrounding citizens, and at 244 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: times generally that aren't going to impact the citizens. Um 245 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: in many of these, like the late night booms that 246 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: have been heard, not just in this New Mexico area. 247 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: It is at different times. It is when there are 248 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: not confirmed air Force base operations. Think about this. That 249 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: same day January in Tucson, Arizona, there were sonic booms heard. 250 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: Now in Tucson, Arizona, which is about a seven hour 251 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: eight hour drive from Otero County from where the Holloman 252 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Air Force bases there in New Mexico, we're talking five 253 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: hundred between four and five miles depending on which route 254 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: you take. Um not as the crow flies. That's a 255 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: long way away for a sonic boom to be heard. 256 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: And it was happening at the same time, and there 257 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: were the same booms. If you go to k o 258 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: l D dot com, which is CBS Channel News, you 259 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: can read the story more mysterious rumbles reported in Tucson area. Now, 260 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: whether or not you believe these are actually the sonic 261 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: booms or not, that's up to you. I don't necessarily 262 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: think they were related. There are people going to Facebook 263 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: saying things like, quote, it sounded like something fell on 264 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: my roof. It rattled my house. Another person said, quote, yes, 265 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: I heard it and it sounded like a boom, and 266 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: it seemed like the top floor of my house shook. 267 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: It also happened sometime last week, maybe Friday. Um, there 268 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: were just a bunch of people talking about this and 269 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: giving their own experience of some weird booms that occurred 270 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: in their area. But a sonic boom wouldn't necessarily like 271 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: have physical repercussions unless it passed directly over your house, 272 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: right because it would require like a proximity effect. It's 273 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the same way of thinking about microphones, Like, I mean 274 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: a proximity you know, you can't a microphone won't pick 275 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: something up unless something's like, you know, within a certain 276 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: distance of it, and it lessens the further away from 277 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: it you get. And depending on you know, which side 278 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: of it you're on or front to back. Yeah. Just so, Uh, 279 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: the thing is, a sonic boom can affect. It can 280 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: damage hearing, definitely. Uh. It can also Yeah, it can 281 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: have physical repercussions. Think about think about how if someone 282 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: has a rollicking base system, you can feel it because 283 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: you feel the vibrations. Air is a medium. An explosion 284 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: causes a shock wave of the can damage internal organs. 285 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: If proximity is close enough. Yes, correct. So in this case, 286 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: we have some interesting stuff here, big boy, because it 287 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: sounds like we have multiple confirmations, multiple people heard this sound. 288 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: It must have been close, you know, relatively speaking, must 289 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: have been close. We're able to physically cause vibration. Does 290 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: that mean that there is a conspiracy of foot I 291 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: mean possibly, But again we run into the problem of transparency. 292 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: There's there is, at this point not an effective way 293 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: to hide a sonic boom if people are close enough 294 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: to sense. Does that make sense? Yeah, I agreed, And 295 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little bit more from the 296 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: Channel thirteen article. Here from k O l D. And 297 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: this is Dan Mary's or Marie's writing. He says, these 298 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: mystery booms have been happening for years. They've been described 299 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: by many like an earthquake, but don't register as one 300 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: on the sizemometer at the University of Arizona College of Geosciences. 301 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: And that's the case with Monday's boom, which is the 302 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: one we're talking about. Um And here is a quote 303 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: from Fort Wachuka, which is they're fairly close to them, 304 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: they said. Quote the Air Force Thunderbirds, which are planes 305 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: capable of supersonic flight arrived here from New Mexico for 306 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: two weeks of training, but there were no sonic booms, 307 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: as supersonic flight is prohibited in this air space. What 308 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: they likely heard was a little after burner as we 309 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: did a site survey upon arrival. Possibly it's just after 310 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: burner sounds. Maybe. But here's the last thing. We got 311 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: a message from someone named Jess several weeks back, about 312 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: three weeks ago, who lives in New Orleans, who was 313 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: also reporting, as were many people around her, that there 314 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: were strange, loud booms occurring in that city. And again, 315 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: this is about three weeks ago today, so I think 316 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: that was I don't know exactly, but it was mid 317 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: January when we received the message from Jess, and she 318 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: sent us several um that was all those booms were happening. 319 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: The message that we got from Big Boy came to 320 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: us on the eighth of February, so about like last week. Uh, 321 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: that's a pretty large span of time where there are 322 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: many booms. There are many aircraft out there that that 323 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the that the United States actively flying. We don't know 324 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: if it's those, we don't We just don't know yet. 325 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: But this is an interesting thing that I want to 326 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: look more into. And I'm definitely on on the rabbit 327 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: hole train. What what's the like? I mean, maybe no 328 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: one's implying there's any nefarious implication here, but what's the 329 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: like secretive weird implications in here? The secretive weird implication 330 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: would be that there is there are non publicized test tests, operations, 331 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: or training exercises which all the militaries do. Yeah, And 332 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: and the spooky thing about that would be that for 333 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: that to be true, there would have to have been 334 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: a cost benefit analysis that concluded it's fine to just 335 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: ignore the sodic booms, to bury them under history, and 336 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: just and just gaslight people, which has happened so many times, 337 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: shut out operation large area coverage where innocent people were 338 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: victimized by Uncle sam in Uh in an experiment in 339 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: a training exercise to see what would happen if you 340 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: just sprayed a bunch of stuff over a city. That's 341 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: a true story. UM, can't wait to tell you more 342 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: about it. But with this, you know what this makes 343 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: me think of the The issue here is that we 344 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: to determine this, we need help from our fellow conspiracy realist, 345 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: because years and years ago we looked into a mysterious 346 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: phenomenon called the hum. Uh and the hum right, the 347 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: hum was easier to hunt because it was a relatively 348 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: continual sound or sensation. A sonic boom is I was 349 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: thinking about this the entire time leading up to this, 350 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Like a sonic boom can occur with a non man 351 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: made thing, but for that to happen, it would have 352 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: to be exceedingly rare. That and that means that if 353 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: there is a sound of that magnitude, and if it 354 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: is indeed created by an object surpassing the speed of sound, 355 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: there are people behind it. They're usually going to be 356 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: people behind it. But because it's not do check out 357 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: our episode on the hum. We did find the answer, 358 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: but do do like ask yourself who would do this 359 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: and why? I don't think there are any like pro 360 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: sumer pieces of equipment that any of us could own 361 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: that cause sonic booms yet street Fighter too, Well, we've 362 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: done our bit for capcom Uh. That doesn't that seem 363 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: where we go with this next? Like when we hear 364 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: one thing that's beautiful about being part of a crew 365 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: that rolls this deep us and and all our fellow listeners, 366 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: is that we can kind of we can attempt some 367 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: crew triangulation and we can do like if you give 368 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: us some more information about your neck of the woods 369 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: than we can kind of crowdsource things. That's how amateur 370 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: astronomers and star gazers figured out what was going on 371 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: with the Corona satellites, which again, you know, I got 372 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: my opinion about the CIA and the key whole program, 373 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: but just objectively, that was really impressive. Um So I 374 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: guess we we would need we would need the help 375 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: of everybody in the area to figure it out. But 376 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I have to ask it, Matt, Matt, just on record 377 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: on air, between us, the n Essay and everybody listening, 378 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: just us, what do you think is going on? I 379 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: think the n listening to the podcast, that's Sweeten, It's 380 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: like listening to this they're listening to this part. They 381 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: don't actually listen to the podcast. The capture the key 382 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: words pop up. Okay, what do you think that? Do 383 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: you think? I'm so interesting? I don't know what. I 384 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: don't know what to think right now. Honestly, I don't 385 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: have a viable best candidate other than just undisclosed flights 386 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: of maybe in an aircraft that we're not supposed to 387 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: know about because you can if you look at the 388 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: flight records, you know, you could prove, oh, that wasn't 389 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: an F six team that was flying, unless the flight 390 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: records were flubbed by you know, like hallam An Air 391 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: Force Space or one of these places that just pretended 392 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: like the experimental aircraft was in F sixteen. I don't know. 393 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: It feels like the best move would just to say, no, 394 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: that wasn't us, that wasn't a thing. Nope, right right, 395 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: it wasn't. Oh they lied to us, They lied to 396 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: Channel thirteen. So what I mean it's made a powerful 397 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: regional enemy in the local cable market. I mean, it 398 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: sucks to think about that. But let's uh, let's take 399 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: a break. Thank you so much for calling us big boy, 400 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: and leave us that message letting us know about this. 401 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more messages from you, and 402 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: we're back. Um. You know much ado has been made 403 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: about this whole metaverse. One of the biggest social media 404 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: company is the originator of the concept of social media. 405 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: Facebook changed their name to Meta got a lot of 406 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: skin in the game, it would appear. Um companies like 407 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: Microsoft have thrown their hat in the ring and there's 408 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of chatter about this being, you know, the 409 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: next big thing, and there's reasons that that likely could 410 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: be true. The question is how soon and what is 411 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: it gonna look like? Um. But in our conversations about 412 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: this previously on previous episodes, apparently we happened upon something 413 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: that piked a listener's interest. Uh. Listener Chip wrote in 414 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: and had this to say, Hello, I'm a regular listener 415 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to your show. Stuff that it wants you to know. 416 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: And recently, in a few discussions about the metaverse, you 417 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: have unknowingly or knowingly hit upon some interesting theories that 418 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: have made me think of the possibilities of virtual time travel. 419 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: With people having all their info and likes, dislikes, and 420 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: regular daily happenings posted on Facebook or their social media 421 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: and in combination with Google Earth, is it possible that 422 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: Facebook or meta could be building a complete time relative 423 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: model of the world, including the people and their personalities. 424 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: According to Facebook routines and records, so years from now 425 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: or centuries from now, even um, it would be possible 426 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: to virtually go back in time in the metaverse and 427 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: see and perhaps even talk to your ancestors or your 428 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: virtual younger self those that are more involved in social 429 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: media would have a larger footprint in their meta Scary stuff, 430 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: but also interesting to think that several hundred years from now, 431 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: a future relative could step into a meta suit or 432 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: helmet and virtually walk into the town I live in, 433 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: see where I lived, where I worked, and perhaps even 434 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: meet a virtual meat and have a conversation. Thanks for 435 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: getting me thinking, I love the show, Keep up the 436 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: good work, Chip, And then he gave us permission to 437 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: use his email and his name as we saw fit. 438 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: I love this um. It makes me think of a 439 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: very web one point oh technology called the way back 440 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: machine UM or the Internet archive. There was also something 441 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: called I think the Internet Graveyard was a thing for 442 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: a while, but it essentially is a record of like 443 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: a snapshot sort of like you know, you've got your 444 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: time machine backup on your Mac if you're a Mac person, 445 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: and you can theoretically go back to any point in 446 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: time and recreate the way your hard drives and file 447 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: structures existed at that exact point. Uh. And that's what 448 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: the way back machine theoretically allows you to do, to 449 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: to look at a website as it existed on a 450 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: certain day. Um. You know, in a certain year, in 451 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: a certain minute. Theoretically, and given what we know about 452 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: the way the metaverse could operate, the idea that this 453 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: is taking the web as we know it and making 454 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: it fully four dimensional three freedom. I mean, I don't know, 455 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: like what is the fourth dimension? Smell uh three dimensional 456 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: at the very least, um, explorable in much more of 457 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: an immersive way at the very least. And if you 458 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: could capture this data in a similar way, you could 459 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: conceivably do something like this. It really reminds me of 460 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: an episode of Black Mirror. I can't remember the name, 461 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: but it involves bringing back a loved one from the 462 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: dead essentially using their social media footprints. Um, and of 463 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: course the inevitable Black Mirror moment of that episode. The 464 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: kind of Twilight Zone Monkey's Paw situation is that like, 465 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: it's not really that person, it's just it's fed by 466 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: how much of that person fed the internet algorithm, fed 467 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: the social media algorithm. And it happens that the character 468 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 1: in the show was super active on social media. So 469 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: to Chips point, some people that have a more robust 470 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: footprint are going to have a more true to life 471 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: recreation of themselves in this you know, theoretical concept here. Um, 472 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: but at the very least, you could recreate the world. 473 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, think about how all these Google cars that 474 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: that roam around and and take footage of your neighborhood, 475 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: or capturing a moment in time like you've ever if 476 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: you've ever tried to look at your address on Google 477 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: Earth or Google Maps or whatever. Um, you'll you'll see 478 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: the moment that they they caught you, and you'll be like, oh, 479 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: that was when I had this lawn chair outside that 480 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: I was painting. That was that one day, you know. Um, 481 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: And so they're capturing that moment in time. But if 482 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: you could like accelerate that, or run them more frequently, 483 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: or you know, deploy a larger, um, you know, fleet 484 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: of these types of capture devices, you could conceivably go 485 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: back in time to some semblance of like a real 486 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: depiction of a moment in time. At the very least, 487 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like the layout of a 488 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: location and the way things look. Because we all know, 489 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: we've all been back to our hometowns after having not 490 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: gone for a while, and things change. You know, things 491 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 1: that you remember from when you were a kid are 492 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: no longer there. They're replaced by Applebee's presumably, And it's weird. 493 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: It can feel very like you're stepping into a dream 494 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: or something. And that's what this makes me think of, 495 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, like the idea of being able to kind 496 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: of explore, you know, the past. It's not really time 497 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: travel per se. It's just a recreation. But if the 498 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: more data. I mean, that's the thing too about the metaverse. 499 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: It's all about the volume of data that can be 500 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: captured in the highest fidelity possible, right like in all respects, 501 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: in terms of um pixels, in terms of audio, in 502 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: terms of like literal data that feeds these algorithms. It's 503 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: all about the volume and the ability to just like 504 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: have a more robust recreation of whatever it is that 505 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: you're experiencing, whether it's a website or you know, walking 506 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: through a street. Um And this is really fascinating and 507 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought of this, but it really is 508 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: something that's very comparable to the way Back Machine. It's 509 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: wanting to chat about this, I think it's really fascinating. 510 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 1: Well let me let me wait, and I've got thoughts. 511 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: But this would of course, so I'm probably technically older 512 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: than most living humans. Uh So, the the concept of 513 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: social media goes back to the the old telephone game 514 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: of oral folklore. Right, the stories we tell are ultimately 515 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: always stories about ourselves. The human species is inevitably obsessed 516 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: and has such a crush on itself. This everything you described, 517 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: Noll is I would say, not only a fascinating thought experiment, 518 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: but also increasingly plausible. However, there are problems with this chip. 519 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: I I don't know if you've how far you've walked 520 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole, but I'd like to pin some 521 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: things because I thought your letter was so awesome. So first, 522 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: first off, yes, the idea of recreating someone or their 523 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: personality is a huge deal, and it is going to 524 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: happen at some point. It's one of the first things 525 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: we talked about in our episode on the potential future 526 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: paths of immortality. The idea of a facsimile of something 527 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: that has very similitude such that it can reliably answer 528 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: the way that living person would have answered when they 529 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: were organic. That is a thing that is on the way. 530 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: Um And because even the most powerful, wealthy people in 531 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: the history of people in are still just people, it's 532 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: going to be something they want to do. Uh. Then 533 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: then that will here's what's gonna happen. Part of that 534 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: leads into the idea of sentience. Right when will this 535 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: will this copy of a person be able to go 536 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: to court and say, you know, like, um, like, well 537 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm not Ted Turner, prim but Ted Turner one a 538 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: god damn it, and I do have control of TBS 539 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: Like is that like that legal case? Something like that 540 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: can plausibly occur now, and it's something sci fi writers 541 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: have been thinking about for a long time. But the 542 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: second thing, and the thing that doesn't get reported a 543 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: lot about this, is the idea of Okay, yes, we 544 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: will create this amazing thing. We will create that moment 545 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: in Black Panther where T'Challa is able to go speak 546 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: with all of his elders. Throughout history, we have been 547 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: Black Panther at some point have been the king of Wakonda. 548 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: That that's a very very close, um, it's a very 549 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: close accurate interpretation of what this situation you're talking about 550 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: chip could look like. However, in this case, since these 551 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: things are created by private entities, we must always ask 552 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: the question and what happens if they just decide to 553 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: edit history? They can do it now, right, you don't 554 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: have to hunt down every physical book. If you have 555 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: a metaverse, you can just say Martin Luther King's comments 556 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: when correctly sanitized or all well and good, but we 557 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: don't want him talking about class war. So I mean 558 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: like they do with history books exactly. But now it is. 559 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Now it is a book that has no like now 560 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: in a in a metaverse, and the kind of metaverse 561 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: we're discovering in this thought experiment, there's no need to 562 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: inform people that history has been changed in a way 563 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: that benefits you know, folks important to those private industries, 564 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: and that is endangerous. Well, it's also a question of intent, 565 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: like is this all just for a lark? Is this 566 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: all just for funzies to be able to Oh, I'm 567 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna go back and talk to my great grandpapa, Steve. 568 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: You know that's cool and like quirky and like any 569 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: thing to be able to do. At what point does 570 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: it transition from a lark to like the way history 571 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: is recorded? Because that's I think what Chip is getting 572 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: at big picture. Is this the way history is remembered 573 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: and re experienced and uh and captured you know while 574 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: it lasts uh last history or the metaverse? Yeah, yeah, history. Uh, 575 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: the ability to record history. Uh so I'm sorry. Sorry, 576 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I guess I told me to be that pessimistic. Um. 577 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: My point is, why would they face backwards and record 578 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: all that stuff and spend all the time and resources 579 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: to create this model of the past for for my money, 580 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: and I think for Meta's money, they're more interested in 581 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: the future. What perhaps collecting that stuff in the past 582 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: will help them figure out what each individual person or 583 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: what major trends will occur in the future, which is 584 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: essentially what they're doing right now. But like the sell it. 585 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: They can sell it though as like a neat feature, 586 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: and then people are on board because who wouldn't want 587 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: to go back and talk to grand Grandpapa Steve and 588 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: tell me more about myself Grandpa Steve, you know what 589 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I can't wait for you to talk 590 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: about me to me. I'll pay for that on a 591 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: month's basis. Hidden intent with this kind of data gathering, 592 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: but you have to sell it as a fun experience 593 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: to make people okay with it. You know, Well that's 594 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: not You're acent spot on, dude. As Ever, the the idea, 595 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: so long as these are private entities for profit entities, 596 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal will be to build a predictive model, 597 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: a series of predictive models that enables you to address 598 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: the concept of time and moments that have not yet 599 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: occurred with an unprecedented degree of sophistication. I've alluded earlier 600 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: to like old contacts at DARPA who are um technically 601 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: going to be like government, academic, industry folks. They're much 602 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: further along with this stuff than you think. You might 603 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: be surprised, folks. You might be surprised to know that 604 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: sometimes experiments like that are not turned off or aborted 605 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: because they don't work. They're aborted because at certain points 606 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: people involved have had that I'm cursing a lot in 607 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: today's episode, but they've had that ocean moment. What are 608 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: we letting out into the world and further think of this, 609 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: So the idea of something like the metaverse branding aside, 610 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: the idea of the thing is already on the way. 611 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: And we know not everybody agreed with us with our 612 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: characterization of the possible problems with the metaverse, and that's fine, um, 613 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: but we were we were raising some of these red 614 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 1: flags because we currently live in a time where people 615 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: still can raise those red flags and the ability to 616 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: edit history, the ability to dictate the future. Yes, it's 617 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: classic orwelliant dude called it a while back, but he's 618 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: not the only one calling it. And this is not 619 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: just um a bunch of fun what if ery not 620 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: me more, it can happen, and to me, you know, 621 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: the thought experiment now is like, what happens. Let's say 622 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: this current house of cards collapses, ecological disaster means that 623 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: humans are no longer around. Uh, you have for a 624 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: couple of centuries, maybe you have something like a really 625 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: good safe satellite, or you have like a hoover damn, 626 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 1: you know, providing power. It is something, and then Earth 627 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: doesn't need people. That's pretty clear. So so after the 628 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: age of the anthropist eine, some other thing, fast forward, 629 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: fast forward, fast forward, some other sentient thing either arrives 630 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: on this planet or evolves on this planet, and they 631 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: can you imagine what a head trip it will be 632 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: for those folks to find a copy of human civilization, 633 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: like they can go and talk to you know, very 634 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: heavily documented like celebrities and politicians of note, and they 635 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: won't know what celebrity is, they won't know what politics are. 636 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: Humans are going to be confusing. It would be as 637 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: if we could travel back and like kick it with 638 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: a velociraptor. Grill that velociraptor, you know about his preferences 639 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: and what kind of toothpaste he likes to right right, 640 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: Like that's amazing and I want to make this. I 641 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: wanted to be a movie or dan if you're listening. 642 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: In episode, future Species evolves on planet Earth and they 643 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: discover they come upon this AI replica. It's the only 644 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: AI replica that exists, the only one that was ever 645 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: fully manufactured, and it's of Kanye uh. And it's just 646 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: that's the only human they ever experienced. It's just Kanye. Well. 647 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: There's a concept in marketing, specifically Internet marketing called a 648 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: lookalike audience, and it's where you create, essentially like using 649 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, the clicks and likes and what what have 650 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: you of a of an actual engaged audience and like 651 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: create almost a copy of it so you can reach 652 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: new people that have the same exact interests. And this 653 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: is just a long tail version of that, you know 654 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: what I mean, like the most And I might be 655 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: misrepresenting this concept a little bit. Any marketers out there, 656 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: let me know, but I think I kind of get it. 657 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: And and this is why to your point, Matt, this 658 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: would be brilliant to be able to do this, and 659 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: the only reason that it'd put any resources into doing 660 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: something like this is because it creates this long tail 661 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: kind of ability to create historical like lookalike audiences, you know, 662 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: the way people's tastes and things have evolved over time. 663 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: And that's the only reason to do it for real monetarily. 664 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: And then they sell it as a fun time machine. 665 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: We're killing it with like thematic through lines here, uh, 666 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: and today's today's segment because we're talking about the importance 667 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: of history and we're we're gonna see even more of 668 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: that as it evolves. But yeah, I'm super into the idea, 669 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all civilization becomes as a 670 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: time capsule, where like, uh, I love the idea. I'm tickled, Chip, 671 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: there is a great letter. Uh, and know your exploration 672 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: you're spot on, man. I'm grateful for this one. I'm 673 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: grateful for y'all's participation in this exploration. Your exploration participation. Um, 674 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: I knew it would be a fun conversation. So on 675 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: that note, let's take a break and we'll be back 676 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: with another piece of listener mail, and we have returned. 677 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: We have one more story to share with you, a 678 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: conversation from our fellow conspiracy realist. This call left me 679 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: with some questions not necessarily related to the content of 680 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: the call, but I do want everybody know the call 681 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: cuts a little short. It goes right up to the 682 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: three minutes. But send off aside sound send off, I 683 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: think this is going to be something that's very exciting 684 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 1: for us to explore together and off air. Matt Noel, Uh, 685 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: there are some similarities to this person that gave me 686 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: just a bit of a conspiracy theory. Let's see what 687 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: you think. Let's hear. Let's hear from Lionel Putts. Um. 688 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: You can call me the well read red neck. Um. 689 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: You can use my voice and uh my name uh 690 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: And anyway, I'm calling because of all of everything going 691 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: on with the critical race theory, the sixty nineteen project, 692 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: and then backlash of course, but we see burning books, 693 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: et cetera, that there is what seems to be at 694 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: least in increasing divide um. I call myself well read 695 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: because I've read into the past and so forth, and 696 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: one of the very distinct parallels I see is my 697 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: readings about colonialism in Africa. When you read about it 698 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: and really get into depth, you realize that most of 699 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: the ground soldiers were simply working a job as they 700 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: saw it, under what they believed to be noble intentions 701 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: of spreading Christianity and ending the slave trade. As Europe 702 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: was getting out of the slave trade, but since um 703 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: some of Central Asia and so forth was still and 704 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: parts of Africa were still very much involved in the 705 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: slave trade, so they saw it as a noble intention. 706 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: Though while they were doing that, of course, they were 707 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,479 Speaker 1: affecting the tribes in different ways while they didn't see 708 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: it um that way because of what they were being 709 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: taught and so forth. And now we go into the 710 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,240 Speaker 1: modern and we see how um obvious oppression of black 711 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: and other minorities I think is pretty undeniable to most 712 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: who actually take a good look into to it. But 713 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: we are seeming to have this backlash. Um, we are 714 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: definitely having this backlash of people who are not understanding 715 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: that they're just being taught what the upper people want 716 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: them to think. And I worry from everything I read 717 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: and undershame about these different critical race that we are 718 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: not addressing that these people poor white people that I 719 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: grew up like as why I called myself a redneck. 720 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: I grew up in a poor white rural area. They're 721 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: not addressing that these people aren't understanding that they are 722 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: just pawns and they are being told noble intentions. What 723 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: it's not is there an effort being made that I'm 724 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: not aware of to try to better educate these So 725 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: the last line there would be better educate these people 726 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: or these groups. Uh. Let me let me first start 727 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: by saying, Lionel, thank you so much for taking the 728 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 1: time to drop us a line. You're raising some some 729 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: fantastic points here and some valid arguments. And secondly, I 730 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: don't think that's your real name, dude. I have some suspicions, 731 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: but they will be a fair you can call to 732 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: confirm if you wish. Uh. In this case, though, UM 733 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: critical race theory called c RT is something that has 734 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: ruffled a lot of feathers recently in the United States, 735 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,399 Speaker 1: and I think this goes line and line with the 736 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: dangerous possibilities of private entities controlling virtual history. Because we 737 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: we've done a number of examinations on the idea of 738 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: controlling the past. Right, the fact that history is not 739 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: just a conversation, but it's often an acrimonious conversation. In 740 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,239 Speaker 1: some cases, it is very much like a war. Like 741 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,479 Speaker 1: the history books you are gonna read about World War 742 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: two are gonna be wildly different depending on which country 743 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: that high school has located it. And that's something everyone 744 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: is accepted as normal. So with all of that, you have, 745 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: if you've lived in the US, you have heard different 746 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: comments about what's called critical race theory. From an objective standpoint, 747 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: before we get to before we get to the point 748 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: you raise lannel. From an objective standpoint, the theory or 749 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: the kind of argument. The observation of critical race theory 750 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: is that so many aspects of modern institutions and society 751 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: and groups and communities, uh, these institutions have race as 752 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: a baked within them. They are part and parcel of 753 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: the thing somehow. And that is why it is so 754 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: difficult to try to abolish racism. It's because, like obviously 755 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: anybody who has been around human children, you know that 756 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: the kids themselves don't start off liking one one kind 757 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: of person more than another, or disliking one kind of 758 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: person more than another. They just get taught this stuff 759 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: in ways yeah, in ways that are non consensual, in 760 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: ways that are often insidious and subtle, and to your point, 761 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: you can feel bad about the fact they're subjected to 762 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: that to a point, right, and then they become adults 763 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: and are just racists at that point. Right. Well, you know, 764 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: also a lot of people, I I would I would 765 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: posit that a great many of the billion currently rooming 766 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: together on this planet don't think of themselves as racist. 767 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You always say that you're the hero in 768 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: your own story, right, right, Yes, yeah, everybody's their own 769 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: main character, and at least in my experience. Your mileage 770 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: may vary, folks, but in my experience, most people on 771 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: some level want to think of themselves as the person 772 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: who's figured it out. You know, you're a bit of 773 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: a maverick, right like, oh yeah, yeah, you you like 774 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: one kind of music. But you're saying to yourself, I 775 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 1: have surprising things about me. You know, a lot of 776 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: people don't know that I'm really into the history of 777 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,439 Speaker 1: spoons in the eighteenth century or whatever. I'm just making 778 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: up a thing, right, fascinating history. It is a fastinva 779 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 1: so uh, Cutler itself is a fascinating history that was accurate. 780 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: But so the idea here is something that has become 781 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 1: a rallying cry for various especially state level politicians in 782 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: the US. The idea is that it is well, the 783 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,240 Speaker 1: laws go here in places like Idaho, are laws written 784 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: to ban the concept of teaching critical race theory because 785 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: it is considered by those who object to it to 786 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: be unfairly calling one sort of people or another UH 787 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: inferior or superior. And this does well, it's a bad 788 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: faith argument obviously, And and the the issue here is 789 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: that if you look at the history of systems objectively, 790 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: if you take a structural approach. We mentioned this in 791 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: our mentioned this briefly another conversations, but you guys, remember 792 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about so called eco terrorism. Earlier we talked 793 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: about the disadvantage that a lot of developed countries UH 794 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: push upon developing countries where they say, Okay, we have 795 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: historically made so much money, so much profit out of 796 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: all these things that put us where we are we are, 797 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,720 Speaker 1: and we're telling you that you cannot do it. Of course, 798 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,439 Speaker 1: folks are going to be ticked to hear that. And 799 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: the you can you can hear arguments where people say, like, hey, 800 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: that's unfairly putting a lot on me. You know, I 801 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: wasn't alive in the sixteen hundreds or what have you. 802 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 1: Or I wasn't alive in the eighteen hundreds, right right, Yeah, 803 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,760 Speaker 1: that's an appropriate time to sigh. I think I'm sorry. 804 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: I just mean it's history, like is it critical race 805 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: theories about accepting the wrongs of of of past versions 806 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: of ourselves and learning from those mistakes really quickly. I 807 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: didn't know how to define critical race theory in my mind, 808 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: and relatively step that's been thrown around, I mean not 809 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,720 Speaker 1: new new, but like in terms of like the politicization 810 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,840 Speaker 1: of it, I think it is a bit divisive. I 811 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: would love to hear what the official, you know, version 812 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: of what what it is is. I mean, I would 813 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: just be reading from Britannica if that's okay, you guys. 814 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of long totally as I can hear. Uh. 815 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,279 Speaker 1: Britannica dot com says critical race theory is it is 816 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: a intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of 817 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: legal analysis based on the premise that a race is 818 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups 819 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: of human beings, but a socially constructed, culturally invented category 820 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Yeah, yeah, 821 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 1: like that's that's the other thing this is, This is 822 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: an academic legal concept. It is more than forty years old. 823 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: Like again, as we see so often, the eggheads, the boffin's, 824 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: the really really smart people, the boths, yes, thank you, 825 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: United Kingdom have been talking about this for a long time, 826 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: and people in positions of political or corporate power just 827 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 1: didn't want didn't want to talk to about it, and 828 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: sometimes in positions of spiritual authority, which that one especially 829 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: is kind of gross, right, doesn't that position the kind 830 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: of fly on the face of people that do want 831 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: to have a racial identity like culturally, Like isn't that 832 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: like sort of like denying that two people? You know, 833 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: I'd love to have an expert in the field on 834 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,439 Speaker 1: for an episode in the future. But from from what 835 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm understanding, the primary issue is that folks 836 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: are trying to explore intergenerational detriment that occurs, like you know, 837 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 1: to respond to that, to respond to that criticism like, hey, 838 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't alive in the eight hundreds. Guess what most 839 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: people weren't most things that you would consider human and 840 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: are not from that time period, but they are benefiting 841 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: or they're suffering from the long tail consequences of the 842 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: events that occurred at that time. So, like what one 843 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: great example would be to take the concept of mortgage 844 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: interest deduction. Shout out to everybody who didn't fall asleep 845 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 1: right as I hypnotized you with those three very boring words. 846 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,800 Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about math, right, We're not 847 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: gonna talk about math too much, I promise, promise. And 848 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: just to be clear, I was just responding and Matt 849 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: correct me if I misunderstood. The definition that you read 850 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: is saying that race in and of itself is a construct, 851 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,359 Speaker 1: whole whole, like full stop. Right, I left out one 852 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: of the most important things from that definition. I'm so 853 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: sorry you guys that I did that. I just I 854 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: started reading. It is fairly long. The next part from 855 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: Britannica is critical Race series hold that racism is inherent 856 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 1: in the law and legal institutions of the United States 857 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,080 Speaker 1: insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, 858 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: and political inequalities between whites and non whites, especially African Americans. Well, 859 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't like it when people just describe like whites 860 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 1: or blah blah blah. These are all people. If you're 861 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: listening to this, you're a person. Every everybody else is 862 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: surprisingly similar to you, despite the varied circumstances of their history, 863 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: their past, or their future. Like we always emphasize, people 864 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,400 Speaker 1: want the same stuff. People don't like to think of 865 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: themselves as bad. No one wants to be bad, or 866 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: most people don't want to be bad. Um. But this 867 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: is true, right right. That's pretending, um. And they have 868 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: their own history for sure. But the thing is that 869 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 1: if you really look at the big picture, humanity is 870 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: all in some way related, and people have their own 871 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 1: identities that have been at times foisted upon them perhaps, 872 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,839 Speaker 1: or associations or identities that feel like core definitions of 873 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: their prime personality. And if in their experience, and if 874 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: that is the case, people should be able to do that. 875 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: But the problem with racism, and the reason it persists, 876 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 1: is because it for many people, especially people in power, 877 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: it incentivizes a lack of critical thinking. I draw our 878 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: attention once again to that monopoly experiment I referenced in 879 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: does being wealthy make you a bad person? Because people 880 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: are great at rationalizing away their advantages and saying, no, 881 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually just really good. The odds weren't stacked in 882 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: my favor. It's not like the other people were running 883 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: the same race having to carry a backpack of bricks. 884 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: It's just that I'm super like, I'm super good. Uh. 885 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that is While that might be a little bit 886 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: of cognitive oh mommy, for a lot of people, it's 887 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: not true. And civilization inherits these things. I remember. I 888 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: always remember the poem by Philip Larkin, which has a 889 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: terrible title. The title is this be the verse. Ignore 890 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: the title. He was wrong on the title, but the 891 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: But the poem itself, which I hope everybody gets a 892 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 1: chance to read, speaks a little bit about um in humanity, 893 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: demand about intergenerational trauma, and about the effects of it 894 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,840 Speaker 1: that haunts this species like a shadow since the dawn 895 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,959 Speaker 1: of this species. And this means that when we see 896 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 1: we see things that are institutionalized, there's not an isolated 897 00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: incident of some like boss hog type figure, say I 898 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: really hate insert here group, you know, like I really 899 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: dislike the roma, like the Roman town or you know 900 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: these well shure overrunning the v a city hall Lions Club, whatever, 901 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm just picking local Applebee's. They're ruining the applebeas for 902 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: h right, right, Uh. But the reality of the situation this, 903 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: here's where you get to Lionel puts his points. The 904 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: reality of the situation is that class warfare is a 905 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: real thing. We've found numerous examples of this, and the 906 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: people and institutions in power almost anywhere you go are 907 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: glad to exploit those divides. George Carlin, who is often 908 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 1: a great orator, often confused with a stand up comedian. Um, 909 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: I think history will prove my assessment correct. George Carlin 910 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: has a great point where he says, there's a big club, 911 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: you're not in it, you know what I mean? Like 912 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: the it is to the advantage and to the benefit 913 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: of a very harmful status quo and hierarchy to divide 914 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: people and set them in opposition as much as possible, 915 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,680 Speaker 1: because when you keep the great majority of human beings, 916 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,560 Speaker 1: who again all just want the same thing. They all 917 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: want their friends and their loved ones to be safe 918 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,680 Speaker 1: and to think they're cool. If all of those people 919 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 1: had an honest conversation about ways to make things better, 920 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: it would present serious existential challenges to the status quo. 921 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: So are there like not everybody in the field of 922 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: CRT agrees with each other. It's interdisciplinary, which means there 923 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of different voices in the room. But 924 01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,360 Speaker 1: but to shut that exploration down the entire time, it's 925 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: like worse than burning books. It's saying you're not allowed 926 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: to print them, right, um, and we're just gonna We're 927 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: just gonna use firewood for our rallies. But I know 928 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: this can ruffle flat feathers because people also in general 929 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 1: don't like to feel attacked. This is not a people 930 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: against each other people situation. Not really. This is an 931 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for one of the biggest co op multiplayer games ever. 932 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: It is possible, through honest exploration of the past in 933 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 1: an objective way, it is possible to take lessons from 934 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 1: that and apply them to the present, and perhaps even 935 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 1: more importantly, apply them to the future, such that other 936 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: generations who come after humans don't have to don't don't 937 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: have to deal with the same gross injustices. I think 938 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: that's the issue that I'm taking with Like this super 939 01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,080 Speaker 1: overly laser focused academic definition of critical race theory, it 940 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,560 Speaker 1: seems like it's describing something at its heart, very basic 941 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 1: and just like the idea of learning from the past 942 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 1: and printing history accurately. That's that's all I'm saying. At 943 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: this point, I think we have we have, we have 944 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,320 Speaker 1: maybe lit a match. We cannot wait to hear your 945 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: thoughts in this regard. I know today's this week's segment 946 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: went a little long, but we hope that you did 947 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 1: enjoy it. We need your help figuring out mysterious sonic 948 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: booms in Southwestern America. We need your help figuring out 949 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,240 Speaker 1: who should rule the past and whether they can use 950 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 1: those tools to rule the future. That that applies to 951 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,000 Speaker 1: both our conversation about CRT, that applies to our conversation 952 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: about metaverse and virtual history. UM. I think we also 953 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: came up with some good pitches for some trippy animation. Uh, 954 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 1: and who is littel puts? Really? I got some suspicions, 955 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: But at this point we're gonna We're gonna pause. We're 956 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: going to go off into some very strange rabbit holes, 957 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: and we cannot wait to hear from you. If you 958 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 1: want to take a page from your fellow conspiracy realists 959 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 1: and contact us, Uh, we are scooty up to the 960 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,320 Speaker 1: edges of our seats right now. We are so easy 961 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to find online, Oh the Internet. Wherefore art thou the Internet? 962 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,320 Speaker 1: We for art On the Internet. You can find us 963 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 1: under the handle conspiracy stuff, where we exist on Facebook, YouTube, 964 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and Twitter. Also on Facebook you can find our group. 965 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. 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