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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. A beautiful seven year old

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Speaker 1: little girl drowns and a hotel pool. Where's mommy drinking

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Speaker 1: at the bar? On Nancy Grace, This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: in Sirius XM one eleven. Exactly how did little Caitlin

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Speaker 1: lose her life drowning in a hotel pool? Nobody was

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Speaker 1: there to watch her? What the hey, where's mommy drunk

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Speaker 1: in the bottle? As we say at the hotel bar? Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WABC also know

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Suffolk County Police are investigating after a seven year old

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Speaker 2: girl was found unresponsive in a hotel pool. Official say

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Speaker 2: a family member found Caitlin Paneda at the Marriotte Melville

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Speaker 2: Long Island Hotel yesterday afternoon. The child was taken to

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Speaker 2: the hospital in critical condition. She was then transferred to

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Speaker 2: Cohen Children's Medical Center in Queen's and Moore.

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Speaker 1: Nar cut one from crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 3: It was forty eight degrees outside on January thirteenth the

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Speaker 3: Melville Long Island and Erica BIA's daughter Caitlin wanted to swim,

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Speaker 3: an unusual request normally, but at this particular moment not

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Speaker 3: so much. They were staying at the Melville, Long Island

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Speaker 3: Marriott Hotel, where the indoor pool was perfect for swimming.

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Speaker 3: The pool wasn't open and there was no lifeguard on duty,

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Speaker 3: so Erica Bias asked the staff if they could open

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Speaker 3: the pool so they could swim. The staff said, since

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Speaker 3: there was no lifeguard on duty, her daughter could not

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Speaker 3: stay with her daughter at all times in the pool area.

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Speaker 3: Bias agreed, and little Caitlin was able to hop in and.

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Speaker 1: Swim with us an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now? Well, but first to

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Speaker 1: Ash Short, senior editor for the Daily Wire at dailywire

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Speaker 1: dot com and you can find Ash on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Ash show scchow her maiden name Ash. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: with us. What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, So this was.

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Speaker 5: January thirteenth, twenty twenty two. And this is a Marriott hotel, right,

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Speaker 5: this was a this is a three star hotel, the

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Speaker 5: nice hotel. They let her daughter into the pool and

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Speaker 6: A watch her.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Erica Bias has a five month old son that

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Speaker 5: she left alone in the hotel room. So five month

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Speaker 5: old boy left alone in the hotel room. Seven year

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Speaker 5: to the bar allegedly to have alcoholic beverages. After thirty minutes,

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Speaker 5: Bias went to check on her daughter and then left

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Speaker 5: her again and went to check on the baby, then

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Speaker 5: allegedly returned to the hotel bar, had another alcoholic beverage,

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Speaker 5: on the little girl, she found her quote floating lifeless

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Speaker 5: in the pool, according to the district attorney, But instead

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Speaker 5: of leaping right in to get her daughter, Bias took

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Speaker 5: her time, allegedly removing her shoes and socks and making

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Speaker 5: sure her phone wouldn't get wet before jumping in to

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Speaker 1: Right right, Ash Short, Senior editor Daily Wire. I knew everything,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know about the shoes and the socks

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Speaker 1: and the fun. Would you just tell me, Ash, if

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Speaker 1: you don't mind, just start at the beginning. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: have to hear things more than once. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear every single fact, because you know, James shell Nutt,

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: over twenty years on Metro major case detective former swat

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Speaker 1: at Shell not law Firm dot Com. No fact, shall

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Speaker 1: nutt is too small. No fact is too small. Right

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Speaker 1: down to what ass Short just told us about. She

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Speaker 1: went to go get some drinks, checked on the children, went, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm Thursday again. It's only been thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: But boy am I Thursday? Okay, shall Nut, that's an

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Speaker 1: important fact. Would you agree?

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Speaker 7: It shows that shows the middle intent of her as

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Speaker 1: Said, lack of concern. I'm not talking about a murder

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Speaker 1: ash Short, joining us for the Daily Wire, where she

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Speaker 1: is senior editor. Ash I want to hear this, Socks

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Speaker 5: So her and her eric Obia's and her boyfriend were

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Speaker 5: About three point thirty pm, January thirteenth, two.

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Speaker 10: She's a complete and utter psychopath. There's no woman on

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Speaker 1: Did you know there was such a thing that unique?

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, think about how many hundreds of

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Speaker 9: I mean, people who are completely non swimmers will jump

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Speaker 9: So the fact that she didn't jump in is not reasonable.

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Speaker 1: Good question? Do we ask now? Although she could have floated,

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Speaker 9: Well, it only takes a few inches. And children have

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Speaker 9: so you don't even have to be in water to drown.

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Speaker 9: You know, one of the things we would do is

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Speaker 1: And Jackie points out that a lot of children that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for about thirty minutes each time, plus the time

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gorniac, the little girl, Haitlin had irreversible brain damage.

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Speaker 1: How do you get that from drowning? I mean, she

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Speaker 1: So it's curious that she went to ask about going

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Speaker 1: the way it all went down to. Andrew's a fairness

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Speaker 9: Oh? Absolutely? And I mean we would want to track

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Speaker 9: So that's another thing. I want to look at her

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Speaker 9: whole history. What's her history with swimming with this child

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Speaker 9: and this child have swimming lessons? And was there anything

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Speaker 9: that made her feel comfortable that this child would have survived?

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Erica Baiez, a mom of two whose

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Speaker 1: daughter drowns in the hotel pool while mommy is drinking

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Speaker 1: at the bar. Not once, but twice. One of you

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Speaker 1: asked earlier what mom in her right mind would leave

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Speaker 1: the child in a pool to go drink. Well, take

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at w FRD.

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Speaker 11: Goma mother has been convicted in the death of her

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Speaker 11: seven month old son. According to court records, twenty four heroes,

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Speaker 11: Cheyenna Whiterix pleaded no contest to the drowning of her

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Speaker 11: baby in a bathtub. She originally pleaded not guilty. A

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Speaker 11: criminal complaint says Wyrix admitted she was watching YouTube while

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Speaker 11: her kids were bathing. This was for several minutes. Her

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Speaker 11: other son was the one who found the baby drowning.

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Speaker 11: Her seventh thing is set for May the eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: That mine wasn't even drinking, she was just scrolling through

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Speaker 1: YouTube and let the baby drown. So I'd like to

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Speaker 1: hear you your response to that, dodre Angie Arnold, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: People, there are people who are stupid, Okay, I really

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Speaker 10: mean that. And if we don't want to go down

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Speaker 10: the postpartum depression thing, Nancy, there there are people who look.

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Speaker 10: I've heard of cases where somebody has put a child

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Speaker 10: in the jacuzzi and left them alone, and excuse me,

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Speaker 10: I mean a newborn, and they wonder why the newborn dies.

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Speaker 10: The fact of the matter is, you never leave a

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Speaker 10: baby unattended, not for one second.

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Speaker 6: Don't.

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Speaker 10: You don't run in the other room to get something,

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Speaker 10: because they can slip down in that tub and drown.

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Speaker 10: Anne has and has been brought up. The babies can

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Speaker 10: even drown if they if they've been underwater like that

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Speaker 10: in the nighttime, after they've had all of that water

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Speaker 10: in their lungs.

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Speaker 9: We should talk about that.

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Speaker 10: But the fact of the matter is you never leave

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Speaker 10: a baby unattended. And I think that there's some people

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Speaker 10: that just don't know that, Nancy, I really do.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, James shell Nutt, it's really interesting

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Speaker 1: that Angie phrased doctor. Angie phrased it that way, because

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Speaker 1: ignorance of the law is no excuse. And here's a

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Speaker 1: perfect example, James shell Nutt, longtime Metro major case detective,

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Speaker 1: now lawyer, here's a perfect example. You may bring a

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Speaker 1: semi truck full of turnips across the state lines and

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Speaker 1: I thought it was turnips. It turned out to be cocaine.

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Speaker 1: The turnip defense is not going to work. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't know that it is negligent to leave a

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Speaker 1: child in a jacuzzi or alone and a pool by

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Speaker 1: themselves for at least one hour, correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: ass short, but thirty minutes the first time drinking at

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Speaker 1: the bar, then leaves again to go check her chot

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Speaker 1: her other babies. She left alone in the hotel room,

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Speaker 1: the five months old, and then back to the bar.

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Speaker 1: You add that all together, that's at least one hour plus.

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Speaker 1: She had the wherewithal to lie, which is in dishall

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Speaker 1: of guilt, guilty, conscience, lying to police. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if she'd he was neglect or not metcy.

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Speaker 7: Part of that is that they're not going to have

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Speaker 7: to prove that she knew that. Most of the time,

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Speaker 7: when these statues are written, they say knew or should

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Speaker 7: have known. Whether she knew it or not is going

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Speaker 7: to be irrelevant in her prosecution. She should have known

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Speaker 7: that leaving a baby in a room was reckless. She

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Speaker 7: should have known that leaving a seven year old daughter

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Speaker 7: in a pool while she drank was reckless, and that

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Speaker 7: that could easily result in her death. And we haven't

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Speaker 7: even mentioned the fact that she didn't know if there

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Speaker 7: were sexual predators staying at this hotel. She wouldnt leave

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Speaker 7: a seven year old little girl alone on the playground,

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Speaker 7: much less in the water unaccompanied with no whack or

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Speaker 7: she should have known that that could result it in

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Speaker 7: her death.

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our cut three from our

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Speaker 1: friends a crime online.

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Speaker 3: Erica Biaz is drinking and eating at the hotel bar

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the afternoon, while her five month

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Speaker 3: old baby is back in their hotel room all alone,

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Speaker 3: and her seven year old daughter is all alone in

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Speaker 3: the swimming pool. Trying to heep an eye on the children.

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Speaker 3: She drinks and eats for thirty minutes, and then she

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Speaker 3: makes her rounds to make sure the children are okay.

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Speaker 3: Thirty minutes earlier, Caitlin was swimming in the pool by herself,

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Speaker 3: but now as Erica Biaz approaches the indoor pool, she

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Speaker 3: doesn't see any splashing or swimming. She finds her daughter

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Speaker 3: floating lifeless in the pool. Rather than jump in and

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Speaker 3: try to save her immediately, this forty one year old

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Speaker 3: mother takes the time to take off her shoes and

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Speaker 3: socks and puts her phone off to the side. Then

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Speaker 3: she pulls her daughter out of the pool and more.

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Speaker 3: In our cut five, Caitlin Pineda, the seven year old

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Speaker 3: daughter of Erica Biaz, pulled from an indoor swimming pool

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Speaker 3: on a cold January day without a pulse and in

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Speaker 3: cardiac arrest, is alive when she arrives at the pediatric

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Speaker 3: Intensive care unit at Cohen's Children's Hospital. However, while the

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Speaker 3: EMTs were able to revive her and get a pulse

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Speaker 3: on the way to the hospital, the brain damage caused

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Speaker 3: by the oxygen deprivation is irreversible. Caitlin would now be

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Speaker 3: kept alive by a ventilator and a feeding tube.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Night to doctor Jean Gornia

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Speaker 1: or now medical examiner joining us out of Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: What was his child's life like in that physical condition,

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Speaker 1: living off of a feeding tube.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I can only imagine obviously in a productive life.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't a life of a second grader third reader.

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Speaker 6: She was confined to a bed, a hospital bed, and

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Speaker 6: being taken care of around the clock because of being

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Speaker 6: on a ventilator and a feeding toobe, So she didn't

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Speaker 6: have a quality life of a statis seven year old

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Speaker 6: should have had being able to play with her her

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Speaker 6: younger sibling, to go to school, to have friends, you know,

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Speaker 6: take ballet lessons, whatever her desires were. She was confined

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Speaker 6: to a hospital bed being taken care of.

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Speaker 1: Guys. We're talking about a beautiful seven year old little girl, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: who dies alone in a hotel swimming pool. When amts arrive,

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Speaker 1: she has no pulse. They managed to revive her and

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Speaker 1: get her to the hospital in the hope she could

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Speaker 1: be saved, and she lived in the condition dot Regine

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Speaker 1: Gorniac has described until she died. Andrea Zepharis is joining

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Speaker 1: US Aquatic Death and Abuse investigator. Why Anne, Andrea, Well.

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Speaker 9: What's really scary is I don't know. The Center for

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Speaker 9: Diseases and Controlled that drowning is the number one cause

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Speaker 9: of death for ages one to four, and when you

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Speaker 9: look at ages five to nine, unintentional injury is number

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Speaker 9: one and drowning is second in that category. So unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: it's really common, but it's not common to be left

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Speaker 9: alone in a pool for that long. And one minute,

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Speaker 9: she's having a good time, she's enjoying herself, and then

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Speaker 9: somehow she's over her airway, or she thinks she's over

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Speaker 9: her airway, and now she's struggling to breathe, and the

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Speaker 9: greatest urge that we all have is to breathe, and

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Speaker 9: is absolutely petrifying. She is going to be splashing with

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Speaker 9: her arms trying to push down, She's going to be

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Speaker 9: trying to get her airway up. And doctor Frank Pia

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Speaker 9: did a study of years ago in New York that

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Speaker 9: the average child takes about twenty seconds of struggling before

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Speaker 9: sinking below that surface. So the fact that she was

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Speaker 9: still on the surface reportedly meant that she had a

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Speaker 9: chance of being saved because she couldn't have been under

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Speaker 9: for that long. And I really want to know, did

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Speaker 9: mom call nine one one, did she start CPR? What

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Speaker 9: exactly happened when she got the child out? Is there

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Speaker 9: a video of this?

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Speaker 1: As sure? What do we know? I imagine that somewhere,

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Speaker 1: somehow there is surveillance video.

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Speaker 5: I would hope so, and maybe that will come out

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Speaker 5: at trial. So Eric Bias, just like the other woman

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Speaker 5: we talked about, she's pleaded, not guilty. Now maybe she

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Speaker 5: changes that later, but right now she's freated, not guilty.

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Speaker 5: So this may go to trial. And I want to

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Speaker 5: caution that she has, you know, been arrested and she's

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Speaker 5: being held without bail. She hasn't been convicted yet. And

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Speaker 5: the information that we have now is all coming from

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Speaker 5: the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office right now. We imagine

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Speaker 5: that the police talk to people at the hotel, talk

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Speaker 5: to people at the hotel board, talk to Bias, you know,

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Speaker 5: talk to anyone that was in the area, to in

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Speaker 5: viewed surveillance video to get this information, right, to get

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Speaker 5: this thirty minute time limit, to get you know, the

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Speaker 5: drinks you ordered, to get all of this information. But

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Speaker 5: we also have to remember that there will be a

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Speaker 5: defense and we don't know what that's going to be.

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Speaker 5: It could and you know, it seems hard to believe,

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Speaker 5: but it could change perception of what happened or who

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Speaker 5: Erica Bias is, you know, So I do want to

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Speaker 5: caution against that. But yes, we would assume that based

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Speaker 5: on what the Stuffolk County District Attorney's Office has put out,

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Speaker 5: that they have viewed surveillance footage, that they have viewed

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Speaker 5: any kind of footage that they have anywhere in the hotel,

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Speaker 5: and spoken to hotel workers, bar staff anyone else.

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Speaker 1: So we would have to assume that you know, curious

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Speaker 1: to James shell Nutt joining us in the shell Nut

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Speaker 1: Law Firm. You can find them at shell Nutlaw Firm

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Speaker 1: dot com. Why do you believe surveill us a video

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Speaker 1: and witnesses from the bar are critical in making this case.

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Speaker 7: Well, because although it is not prooded to leave a

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Speaker 7: child alone for any amount of time, as you just

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Speaker 7: discussed from your own personal experiences, turning back for two

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Speaker 7: seconds something could happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I didn't leave them alone.

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Speaker 7: I turned around, clearly the wronger that it goes on, though,

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Speaker 7: the more culpable this lady becomes. So you know, opinions

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Speaker 7: may vary at two minutes, they may vary at five,

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Speaker 7: but four out of five dentists they're going to agree

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Speaker 7: that a half hour leaving a seven year old alone

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Speaker 7: in a pool is criminally culpable. And that's important. The

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Speaker 7: timeline in this case, in every case, is important, and

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Speaker 7: in this case, it goes to show the level of

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Speaker 7: conscious disregard that this lady had for the life of

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Speaker 7: her daughter and the baby that they had there.

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Speaker 1: And let's overlay that with the warning that she was

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Speaker 1: given by the hotel step. Okay, you can go in

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Speaker 1: the pool, but you've got to stay with her. You

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Speaker 1: cannot leave her alone. That was the directive given to

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Speaker 1: Ericabias before she let the little girl, Caitlin get into

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Speaker 1: the pool. I'm telling you, the most damning, the most

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Speaker 1: damning evidence is going to be how many drinks she ordered,

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Speaker 1: how how long she was really at the bar. Hotel

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Speaker 1: surveillance is well known for having surveillance and elevators in hallways.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to track her leaving the pool,

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Speaker 1: going upstairs to see the five month old who was

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Speaker 1: also alone in a hotel room, left alone. How often,

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Speaker 1: if at all, she went back to the pool. Did

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Speaker 1: she really even go back to check on her during

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Speaker 1: those thirty minute visits to the bar. We're going to

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Speaker 1: find out how many drinks she ordered, what drinks she

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Speaker 1: ordered for all I issue in there and have a

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Speaker 1: soda water. It's possible all that will be uncovered at trial. Guys,

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Speaker 1: speaking of trial, take a listen to our cut six

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Speaker 1: our friends at News twelve.

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Speaker 12: A Bronx mom is expected to face a judge after

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Speaker 12: she was slammed with manslaughter charges following the death of

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Speaker 12: her seven year old daughter. According to Suffolk County Police,

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Speaker 12: the girl was found unresponsive in a hotel pool on

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Speaker 12: Long Island last year. She remained in a coma and

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Speaker 12: sadly passed away on May first. Police say her mom,

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Speaker 12: forty one year old Erica Bias, left her daughter unattended

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Speaker 12: at the pool on the day of the incident. She

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Speaker 12: was arrested in Manhattan yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Now, according to the reports we have gotten, they make

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Speaker 1: it very clear that she was having another drink which

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Speaker 1: she nursed in the bar for half an hour. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is according to the prosecutor. What do we know

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Speaker 1: about the exact charge is ash short.

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Speaker 5: She was charged with one count of second degree manslaughter

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Speaker 5: and two counts of endangering the welfare of a child.

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Speaker 5: So one count for the five month old, one count

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Speaker 5: for the seven year old.

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Speaker 6: One question that.

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Speaker 5: I have is her daughter was on this life support

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Speaker 5: for a year. So did the investigation into this occur

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Speaker 5: right when her daughter drowned or did it only begin

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Speaker 5: after her daughter died? She was only charged after her

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Speaker 5: daughter died, Yet she could have been charged with the

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Speaker 5: endangerment right at the time, so back in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: So my question is why that wasn't happen, didn't happen,

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Speaker 5: or if the district's attorney's office was kind of waiting

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Speaker 5: for the daughter to die before charging her with everything,

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Speaker 5: rather than bringing a manslaughter charge afterward.

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Speaker 1: I'm very surprised they're not charging her with felony murder,

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Speaker 1: which is a much more significant charge because a death

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Speaker 1: occurred in the commission of a felony, and that is

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Speaker 1: child neglect. Felony child neglect.

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Speaker 9: I just say I'm really applauding the Sussa County for

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Speaker 9: making these charges because we are seeing a dangerous trend

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Speaker 9: around the country where we parents are not being charged

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Speaker 9: when these drownings are happening. In Ulster County, which is

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Speaker 9: just two hours north of US, we had a case

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Speaker 9: where a mother left her children in the Hudson River

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Speaker 9: so she could do drugs with their drug dealer. The

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Speaker 9: daughter drowned and no charges were filed, and that is

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Speaker 9: something we're seeing happening more and more. So I think

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Speaker 9: this is an important case and I really applaud to

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Speaker 9: Janey for charging the kid.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and it's also thoughts