1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Surveillance Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at seven am Eastern 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: on Apple CarPlay or Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts, or watch 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Shabana Versacci is with Bloomberg Television all of our media 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 2: worldwide to say that she is someone doing Horizons, doing 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: Daybreak Middle East. She is definitive on her Middle East, 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: and as Robert D. Kaplan talks about from Morocco to Persia, 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: we are honored that she would join us this morning 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: from her Dubai Jubani. I think the war coverage, particularly 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: over the weekend is almost wrote almost cursory in the 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: United States. Let us start with the airports. Do you 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: have an airport in Dubai by the you have another 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: airport towards Abu Dhabi being built out as well. The 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: distance maybe it's a forty fifty minute drive to the two. 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: What is a state of tension at the Dubai airports 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: this morning? 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 3: Hi Tomboll, good morning, Good to be on your show. 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: Let me just run you through what happened specifically with 21 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Dubai International Airport DXP. That is the main one that's 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: operational right now. It was hit in the early hours 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: of the morning. A fuel depot exploded into flames. Later on, 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: the Dubai Media Office came out to say that it 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: caused limited damage and no injuries. But for a while 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: the Dubai Civil Aviation Authority moved to suspend flights temporarily. 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 3: They have resumed now, a lot of them have resumed. 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: Many flights were canceled that the state owned airline Emirates 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: has resumed travel now. But I think what you're referring 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: to is the fact that some of those flights were 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: redirected to a new air that's being built, as you say, 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: around forty five minutes away Dubai Mactoom. But again, you know, 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: this is just part of parts of the bigger picture here, 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: which is that Iran continues to strike not necessarily US 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 3: assets in the region, but key transportation on the dist 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: six hubs. 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: What is the tension in Dubai, I think within the 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: media coverage in America, do we don't know the tension 39 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: in Kuwait? We don't know the tension in Cutter across 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates. What is the tension in Dubai 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: or is it just a random missile that may come in. 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: Let me tell you that UAE alone have received two 43 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: thirds of the projectiles that Iran have fired over so 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: more than any other Gulf nation. They have successfully intercepted 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: around one thousand, six hundred drones around three hundred missiles. 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: The interception rates is anything between ninety two percent and 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: ninety four percent, depending on whether you're talking about drones 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: or missiles. So the interception rate is very high. But 49 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 3: that's not to say that some debris or interceptions of 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: debris is causing a damage to some Skyrise buildings, as 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: you may have seen reports of that. But increasingly, I 52 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: would say what has happened in the last twenty four 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: to forty eight hours is Iran seem to be targeting 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: a lot more strategic assets in the region that aren't 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: necessarily linked to US bases or US control centers. And 56 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: this I think is perhaps marks a new chapter in 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: this war, because they have attempted to strike at the 58 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: Fugeaport a couple of times of the course of this weekend, 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: a key strategic port not on the Strait. I should 60 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: also remind viewers this is a port that is on 61 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: the Gulf of Aman, a key outlet to get UAE 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: oil out of the region. The fact that they keep 63 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: going after it suggests that not only is Iran focusing 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: on that one choke point around the Strait of Hormas, 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: but there also begins to target some of the key 66 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: ports around the Arabian Gulf and the Gulf of Aman 67 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: as well. 68 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: Jumana. 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 5: The Strait of Humus is clearly one of the areas 70 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: of focus here. President Trump has asked other nations to 71 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: help secure the passage through the Strait of Hormus. What 72 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: do we know about any responses from any of our allies. 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: I guess. 74 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: That's right. So that was the main us overnight. He's 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: calling on what he says around seven nations to join 76 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: in on this coalition to help secure the safe passage 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: of vessels through the straits, including the likes of UK 78 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: and France, obviously NATO allies. In an FT interview, he 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: hinted that there would be diplomatic repercussions if the NATO 80 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: allies did not join in on these efforts. He's also 81 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: suggested that South Korea Japan join in we've heard from 82 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: the Japanese Minister of Defense overnight. He said that the 83 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: threshold for them to get involved is super high. And 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: then the big one is China. Of course, the lion's 85 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: share of the oil that's transported through the strait ends 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: up in China's hands. From an economic perspective, of course, 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: they have a prerogative to ensure the safe passage of vessels, 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: but they so far have not put out any official 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: commentary suggesting that they're willing to sign up to this. 90 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: Jaman One final question here into your busy afternoon and 91 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: into the evening in Dubai. Are the Arab nations together 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: in a you know, ancient view against Persia or is 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: it every tribe for themselves. 94 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: Well, let me just point you to a call that 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: took place between the Saudi Crown Princes Royal Highness MBS 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: with the President of the UEE MBZ. And you know, 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: for anyone who's been following the news in the region, 98 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: even before this war erupted, there had started to be 99 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: some more regional friction between the UAE and Saudi Arabia 100 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: over there differing objectives around the war in Yemen, also 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: in Sudan, as well, what we see in since the 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: inception of this war is a reproshment of sorts, and 103 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: what you are getting are these United Communicats from GCC 104 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: foreign ministers, more and more of these calls taking place, 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: all of them at condemning the attacks, the Iranian attacks, 106 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: and in fact going so far as calling them terrorist 107 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: attacks in their territory, also reiterating the right to self defense. 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: But none of them, and I should say, have gone 109 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: so far as to suggest that they would get militarily 110 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: involved in this war. For the time being, they're just 111 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: emphasizing their right to self preservation and to self defense. 112 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: And then of course later on down the track they're 113 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: going to have to do maybe a little bit of 114 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: soul searching about the types of strategic alliances that they have. 115 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: A terrific brief, Thank you so much. Giovanni Briscacci is 116 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: shoes of course, driving all of our Middle East coverage 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: with Bloomberg Horizon out of Dubai. Stay with us. More 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: from Bloomberg Surveillance coming up after this. 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast catch us Live weekday 120 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: afternoons from seven to ten am Eastern Listen on Applecarplay 121 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: and Android auto with the Bloomberg Business app or watch 122 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: us live on YouTube. 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: We agree with true Excellence and hydrocarbons at an LC 124 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: operational research. Julian Lee is definitive with Bloomberg News and oil. 125 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: What's the story Julian right now? In oil that's not visible? 126 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 6: I think what's not visible at the moment is exports 127 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 6: out of the Persian Gulf. What we're seeing is a 128 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 6: near total closure of the straight offor moves. Yes, there've 129 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 6: been a couple of small Indian oil tankers going through 130 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 6: over the weekend. They were likely carrying liquefied petroleum gases, 131 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 6: which are popular as a cooking fuel in India. One 132 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 6: thing I think that's interesting about those vessels is that 133 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 6: they took a much more northerly passage through Hormus than 134 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 6: is usual, much closer to the Iranian coast, outside of 135 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 6: the normal shipping lanes. They could mean a number of things. 136 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 6: I mean it could mean that those shipping lanes have 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 6: been mined, as the Uranians would like us to believe. 138 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 6: It could simply mean that the Uranians want to keep 139 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 6: a better eye on what's going through Hormos. Most of 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 6: the rest of what's gone through is either Iranian owned 141 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 6: or linked to China, but that the movements to Hormus 142 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 6: are very very small. 143 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: Paint the window in Singapore, the Straits of Malacca of 144 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: the transformation of oil to naphtha, naphtha to ethylene in 145 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: ethylene into all the plastics and petrochemicals that are out there. 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: That sequence of what we do with oil is that 147 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: shattered as well. 148 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 6: I think it's certainly coming under strain. You know, this 149 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 6: is perhaps the other side of the oil market that 150 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 6: we don't appreciate quite so much. We're very used to 151 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 6: crude oil going into refineries being turned into gasoline and 152 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 6: diesel fuel and jet fuel and heating oil. The other 153 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 6: side of that, on the side where all the sort 154 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 6: of longer term growth is is in feedstocks for plastics, 155 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 6: but that is perhaps less the sort of base load 156 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 6: coming out of the Middle East. A lot of that 157 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 6: is heavier crude that tends to go into refineries for 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 6: processing into fuels. But at some point this is going 159 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 6: to pinch perhaps, And you know, the big problem I 160 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 6: think at the moment is just that the amount of 161 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 6: oil that has been prevented from coming out of the 162 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 6: Persian Gulf is bigger than the amount that can be 163 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 6: divert elsewhere by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and 164 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 6: to some extent to Rock Julian Lee. 165 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: Please stay with us right now. We've got to get 166 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: to the market open, and we're going to come back 167 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: with doctor Lee in London, of course, expert on all 168 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: that we see here in hydrocarbons. And we do that 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: with oil under one oh two barely one oh one 170 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: point ninety three, generally signaling what we see in the 171 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: equity markets, with futures up sixty one previcts under twenty 172 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: five earlier. A better take on a Monday morning with 173 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: our market opening, Alexis. 174 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 7: Christophorus, Thanks so much, Tom, And we had a nice 175 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 7: rally for stock futures heading into this Monday morning opening 176 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 7: bell and it looks like it's dipping over into regular trading. 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 7: S and P five hundred up now about sixty points 178 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 7: at sixty six ninety one. Dow Jones industrial leverage right 179 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 7: out of the gate, up three hundred and seventy seven 180 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 7: points level at forty six nine fifty four. NASDA composite 181 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 7: climbing two hundred twenty eight points now twenty two thousand 182 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 7: and three twenty nine. The Russell two thousand coming along 183 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 7: for the ride, up now thirty three points. We do 184 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 7: have oil pulling back a bit. Brent is at one 185 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 7: oh one ninety the barrel, WTI crewed ninety four to 186 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 7: seventy one the barrel. We've also got precious medals mixed 187 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 7: spot gold now at fifty twenty two the ounce, and 188 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 7: bitcoin at seventy three nine hundred and sixteen dollars. Early 189 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 7: movers shares of Nebius up thirteen and a half percent 190 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 7: after Facebook parent Meta said it's going to pay up 191 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 7: to twenty seven billion dollars over the next five years 192 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 7: for access to AI infrastructure from the Neo Cloud company. 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 7: That's your Bloomberg opening bell report, Tom and Paul Alexis. 194 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Right now around 195 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: the world, across this nation, it is Bloomberg surveillance. Paul 196 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: Sweeney with Julian Lee at Queenten Victoria Street. 197 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: Julian, just for argument's sake, let's assume they were ended today. 198 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 5: Where would Brent be, would Brent get back to its 199 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 5: pre war levels and over what time frame might that occur? 200 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 6: Well, you know, fortunately I'm not in the business of 201 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 6: price forecasting any longer. I gave that up twelve years 202 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 6: ago and when I came to Bloomberg, so I you know, 203 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 6: I can't give you a forecast. If you look at 204 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 6: the market fundamentals, if you get the flow through hor 205 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 6: moves normalized, the market was relatively weak. There's nothing significant 206 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 6: that has changed in the supply demand dynamics other than 207 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 6: the closure of hor Moos. We haven't had significant damage 208 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 6: to oil production installations in the Middle East or in Iran, thankfully, 209 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 6: so you know, the supply side in time would get 210 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 6: back to where it was. But I think that would 211 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 6: take time. I mean, it's it's not a matter of 212 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 6: simply turning on a tap and everything's back to normal. 213 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 6: There's there's all sorts of logistics that have to be 214 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 6: sorted out. And if we look at right at what's 215 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 6: happening now, Saudi Arabia has said it will divert crude 216 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 6: to the Red Sea. It has a pipeline that has 217 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 6: the capacity to take seven million barrels a day. The 218 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 6: CEO of Saudi Aramco said last Tuesday that they were 219 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 6: ramping up to that capacity. But that's a seven hundred 220 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 6: and fifty mile pipeline. Oil doesn't move very fast through pipelines. 221 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, perhaps not much faster than a 222 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 6: decent runner can run. So that means it could take 223 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 6: anywhere from you know, four to ten days for an 224 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 6: additional input into that pipeline to turn up in increased 225 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 6: volumes coming out at the other end. So that's the 226 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 6: sort of logistical disruption or the sort of time frames 227 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 6: that we're looking at just to make that switch from 228 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 6: east to west. Putting the whole thing back together would 229 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 6: perhaps take even longer. 230 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: Julian Ly, thank you so much in London, writing for 231 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News. Stay with us more from Bloomberg Surveillance coming 232 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: up after this. 233 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast. Catch us live 234 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: weekday afternoons from seven to ten am Eastern. Listen on Apple, 235 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Karplay and Android Otto with the Bloomberg Business app, or 236 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: watch us live on YouTube. 237 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: Tricia Scarlatta joins us a diverse get out the calendar 238 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: Paul March College admissions. If you're not early decision or 239 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,359 Speaker 2: whatever the other eight kinds of decision are. Tricia Scarlatta 240 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: has the worst worst job at JP Morgan has Jamie 241 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: Diamond ever called you up and said, how about that 242 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: tuition I'm paying? 243 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 8: Jamie has not, but I've had have other senior executives 244 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 8: who have called me for some advice. 245 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: For sure, for someone Jamie Okay, Jasuine Lee kills it 246 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal this week and the four 247 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: zillion East Coast brats going to Saint Andrews. They go 248 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: out on the pier walk there with their red robes 249 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: and all that give us an update on the insanity 250 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: of the college process. As you see it at JP Markets. 251 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 8: The process is insanity. And I love that you mentioned 252 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 8: the international schools because they are certainly more cost effective. 253 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 8: And as I mentioned earlier, I had a nephew that 254 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 8: went to Saint Andrews and did tremendously well. You know, 255 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 8: I wish I could tell you that I thought costs 256 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 8: were coming down. They are not coming down. They historically 257 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 8: have never come down. They are up five to seven 258 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 8: percent every year. Even during COVID, costs continued to go up, 259 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 8: So I don't see that changing. I think what we 260 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 8: need to make sure we tell families is they need 261 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 8: to start early and do it as often as they can. 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 8: Make those contributions. You know, look The reality is we're 263 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 8: getting less international students come to the US. Right those 264 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 8: were the people paying the full vote because they didn't 265 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 8: get aid. We also just have less kids, so that 266 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 8: means less tuition being paid. These schools have created institutions 267 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 8: that are so expensive because they have so many programs. 268 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 8: When we went to college, there weren't two hundred three 269 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 8: hundred programs. They have to pay for that. They've got 270 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 8: to generate revenue, so the costs are not going to 271 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 8: come down, and unfortunately there's just not enough free money 272 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 8: to go around. 273 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: And having sat on a university board, I'll tell you 274 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 5: right now, cut your costs by fifty percent. 275 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: Start there. Then come talk to your students and the families. 276 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: But they won't do that. Now talk to just about 277 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: five twenty nine plans? What are they? How do they 278 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: help parents? 279 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 8: Very very simple. The best thing about a five to 280 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 8: twenty nine account is the fact that you can actually 281 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 8: save on taxes. So you're going to take your after 282 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 8: tax dollars, make a contribution into a five to twenty 283 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 8: nine plan, and that's going to grow tax deferred over 284 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,239 Speaker 8: the lifetime of the account till you start making those withdrawals. 285 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 8: And there are tons of qualified draw withdraws that you 286 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 8: can make, and as long as it's qualified, there are 287 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 8: no taxes to be happening. 288 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: Use a five twenty nine not enough? 289 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 8: So about forty percent now, so we're you're and if 290 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 8: you look at it, about fifty percent of Americans don't 291 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 8: even know what a five to twenty nine account is. 292 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 7: Can I just interject, because. 293 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: We're wonderful, here's the rule days. You just butt in. 294 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: You don't ask the politenesses out here, ladies and johnman 295 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: the rules. 296 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 7: I love the fact that you can roll over a 297 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 7: five twenty like, let's say, yeah, since my kids don't 298 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 7: use all the money in there, which fat chance, Yeah 299 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 7: I can. I can send it to my grandkids. 300 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 8: Absolutely, Look, everybody worries they're going to overfund these accounts. 301 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 8: Trust me, you are not going to overfund. We just 302 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 8: all talked about it. You're not overfunding. The average account 303 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 8: size is somewhere in the forty to fifty thousand dollars range. 304 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 8: Families are not oversaving. But yes, you can change beneficiaries. 305 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 8: There's so much flexibility in these accounts. And we just 306 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 8: did a survey on LinkedIn. What's your biggest reason why 307 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 8: you're not opening a five to twenty nine account, And 308 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 8: the biggest reason was because we don't think it's flexible. 309 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 8: You've got tons of flexibility now you are. So if 310 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 8: you have too much money, you can roll over to 311 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 8: a roth Ira up to thirty five thousand dollars. There's 312 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 8: so much flexibility in terms of the withdrawals. It's not 313 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 8: just college anymore. It's K through twelve, it's credentialing, it's tutoring. 314 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 8: It continuously expands. Yes, can you use. 315 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: Five twenty nine for SAYT prep? 316 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 8: Yep, you can. You can think about all the money 317 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 8: we spend as parents on SAT prep exactly. 318 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: How about just aid? A lot of schools offer a 319 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 4: lot of aid. 320 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 5: If you know where to look for it, you bet 321 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 5: talk to us about how that factors into the equation. 322 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 8: Listen, I adore the families that have the conversation and 323 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 8: say we can't pay ninety thousand dollars a year. There 324 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 8: are tons of state institutions that are wonderful that you 325 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 8: could pay in state tuition. There are also things called 326 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 8: a safety a safety school. So if you're somebody who 327 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 8: because of your income level, which is probably somewhere around 328 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 8: two hundred plus you're not really going to get anything. 329 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 8: It's probably a little bit lower than that. The key 330 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 8: is to be to be applying to safeties because that 331 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 8: school will give you money off the top because you're 332 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 8: still more attractive than somebody getting financially Okay, just. 333 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: As a decide, she mentioned full Bote. I saw full 334 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: Boat play at the Cave at Durham is a great band. 335 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is there's all this media 336 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: blather about schools giving out tons of scholarships. Anybody who 337 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: makes over fourteen thousand a year gets to go see 338 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: and all sort. What I hear from our listeners and 339 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: viewers is at the travesty, we're all paying full tuition, 340 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: room and board. What percentage of people that in your 341 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: research are paying. 342 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 8: Full bote about about forty percent, forty to fifty percent. Yeah, 343 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 8: what's the good percentage? Now that number is going to 344 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 8: come down again because our international students are going to 345 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 8: come down. International students coming up just because of the 346 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 8: whole thing with people coming into the country, so I'll. 347 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: Feel comfortable coming that is correct. 348 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: When does this end? I mean I mentioned today at 349 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: some point Marlborough cigarettes became too expensive. I don't know 350 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: we at a point where this just becomes too expensive. 351 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: I don't know. 352 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 8: I mean I have not seen it. If we look 353 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 8: at history, history has not shown it at all. And 354 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 8: we're looking at now. So eighteen years from now you 355 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 8: want to send three kids to college. I mean it's 356 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 8: you know, you're looking at millions. 357 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: Have you ever had two pages in Jamie Diamond's annual 358 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: report letter? You deserve that? 359 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you. 360 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: I appreciate that you'll work on that. 361 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 7: It's a crisis. 362 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 8: It for sure is a crisis. It is the family's 363 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 8: biggest expense. 364 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: Within the Vatican. I mean you can get two pages 365 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: in or two paragraphs in to his work. I appreciate 366 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: that this has been great. Don't be a stranger. Tricia 367 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: Scarlatti here full vote for Alexis Christopherus and everybody else. 368 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: That's what she's going to ring out of education savings 369 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: at JP Morgan Asset Management. Stay with us. More from 370 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Surveillance coming up after this. 371 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast. Catch us live 372 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: weekday afternoons from seven to ten am, or live on YouTube. 373 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Giving us a lighter touch, Miss Pistopherus, what. 374 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 7: Do you have this morning, I went, I went digging, 375 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 7: and I found this one in the Wall Street Journal 376 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 7: that says, when it comes to income tax red and 377 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 7: blue states, they're growing further up. 378 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: So that yeah, don't choices little charts. 379 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, it's actually quite there's a love, lovely 380 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 7: visual with this. So Republican led states are looking to 381 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 7: entice new residents with lower taxes. Democratic led states are 382 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 7: looking to hire taxes on top earners because they need 383 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 7: to plug those budget gaps and also to fund social services. 384 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 7: So in just the past five year, okay, twenty three 385 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 7: states have lowered their top income tax income tax rates, 386 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 7: Mississippi and Oklahoma looking to eliminate it all together. And then, 387 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 7: of course here in New York City, we've also got 388 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 7: Washington State looking to raise income taxes on high income households. 389 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 7: And here's another. I mean, I just looked at this stat. 390 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 7: I think this says it all. According to the Tax Foundation, 391 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 7: the middle ground is quickly disappearing. Twenty years ago, fifteen 392 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 7: states had top income tax rates on wage income below 393 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 7: five percent, and just one exceeded ten percent. Today, more 394 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 7: than half of the states have gone below five percent 395 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 7: over the week, and. 396 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: The guy I can't pronounce it runs uber dearra. I 397 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: just can't. Yep, Yeah, I can't. I gave up. Okay, 398 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: you know Mark Crumpton yelled at me Dari's movement. He's 399 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: moving in California some point. 400 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 7: That's right, another executive. 401 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: You just see it. 402 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 7: You're fleeing from Seattle from California, and they're actually thinking 403 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 7: New York is a haven. I mean that's telling you something. 404 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: Why is New York a haven? I think that would 405 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: be surprised to people at Bloomberg eleven three yo. 406 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, because I think relative to where income tax 407 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 7: can go. When the states of Seattle in California looks. 408 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: Like and we turn to a gentleman from Seattle, yeah, 409 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: and he said, it's tangible. 410 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: I mean, if you take there's state taxes down that, 411 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 5: that's great, But how do you plug that hole? So 412 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: if you're in Mississippi, where does I guess you just 413 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 5: lose that revenue and there's less money for schools and social 414 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 5: services and stuff like that. 415 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 4: I don't know. 416 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: It don't help. 417 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 7: I don't know how they've thought it out. 418 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: Asta has all different types of things that can take. 419 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: You know it. 420 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 7: It's definitely on the ballot in the midterm elections, that's 421 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 7: for sure. 422 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: Yep, all right, you had another one, of course I do. 423 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 7: This is from the New York Times. Some Olympic officials 424 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 7: want to have the Winter Games played in fixed cities, 425 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 7: so no more, you know, I mean it's not this 426 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 7: is just a proposal right now, but fewer cities are 427 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 7: actually bidding for the Olympics because they can't accommodate every event. 428 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 7: You just look at the Milan Games. So we have 429 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 7: them in Courtina as well. It was sprawled out, spanning 430 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 7: eighty five hundred square miles. It did work though, Yeah, 431 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 7: but you know a lot of the they spend so 432 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 7: much on the infrastructure and then they sit, you know, 433 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 7: weeds grow in between, like the ski slide, you know, 434 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 7: years later. 435 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 5: So also an issue about the snow. Not every pay 436 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 5: place that has historically hosted Winter Olympics. I feel like 437 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 5: they can do it reliably with this lack of st 438 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 5: But with. 439 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: Snow, do they look at it as a one off 440 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: year or is it is one off? 441 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 5: It was a one off year that so they say, 442 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 5: And you know, but we were up there twelve thirteen 443 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 5: thousand feet snow is great. 444 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 445 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 6: One more? 446 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: What do you do? 447 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: All right? 448 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 7: Oh, this one made me so happy. 449 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: Tulips. 450 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 7: Have you seen tulips? I saw on Park Avenue. I 451 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 7: can see they want to come up and they're so 452 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 7: confused that it's not warmer yet. But this year, for 453 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 7: the first time ever, on the National Mall in DC, 454 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 7: this was from the Washington Post, people were able to 455 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 7: come out. They got free tickets, over twelve thousand people 456 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 7: to come and pick ten tulips and make a little 457 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 7: bouquet for themselves. This is sort of reminiscent of what 458 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 7: like you see happening in Amsterdam and Berlin because they 459 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 7: have big tulip celebrations. This was the first one on 460 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 7: the National Mall in DC, and it was a big hit. Apparently. 461 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: All right, those free tickets, what like that? Did they know? Okay, 462 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 4: what's the Washington Mall. That's the cherry blossoms. 463 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 7: Yes, the cherry blossoms. So now they have another thing. Okay, well, 464 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 7: the cherry blossoms are happening. They're going to be happening. 465 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 7: That haven't happened yet. 466 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: Can I editorialize please? I love the tulip bulbs on 467 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: Park Avenue. Yes, that's what they do. Is just building 468 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: up the charity there. The government services except Park Avenues 469 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: become Third Avenue because they ruined Third Avenue in the 470 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: last six months, all most some of the traffic on 471 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: Third Avenue Park Avenue for a whole bunch of blocks. 472 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: Now every day is bumper to bumper yep. 473 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 7: But at least you still don't have the stores on 474 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 7: Park right, they're free of like the commerce and the 475 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 7: way that Third Avenue is used to be. 476 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: You know, that's the way it was, Alexis Christopher's thank 477 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: you so much the newspapers. 478 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, 479 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 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