Speaker 1: All right, break it down.
Speaker 2: If you ever have feelings that you just won't maybe
Speaker 2: and Cat got your cob and locking no brother lady's bolts.
Speaker 3: You just follow an the spirit where.
Speaker 1: It's all the front.
Speaker 2: Over real stuff to the chill stuff and the.
Speaker 4: M but swaying.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the best thing you can do it just.
Speaker 2: Stop you feel things.
Speaker 4: This is feeling things with Amy and Cat. Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Welcome to feeling things. I'm Amy and I'm Cat, and
Speaker 4: my feeling of the day is grateful.
Speaker 3: I think, what do you mean you think?
Speaker 4: Okay, hear me out. Maybe I'm trying some reverse psychology
Speaker 4: on my body, but my back is in a lot
Speaker 4: of pain. However, I'm grateful because it could be worse,
Speaker 4: like I'm having trouble walking. But like, so you're grateful
Speaker 4: because I'm grateful. I feel like it could be worse
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go see my chiropracture and I know
Speaker 4: it will be better. So I'm grateful that I have
Speaker 4: that resource. Okay, yeah, what my other way didn't make sense?
Speaker 3: No, it makes sense, but I just.
Speaker 4: You struggled with it. There's a stretch.
Speaker 3: It just is like you don't have to be grateful
Speaker 3: because your back hurts.
Speaker 4: I know, I get it, you know, I guess I
Speaker 4: just don't want I don't want the vibe or the
Speaker 4: energy to be like uh, I mean that's like a
Speaker 4: physical feeling.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: And I'm like the types of feelings we like to discuss.
Speaker 4: So it's like, how how do I turn that? Because like,
Speaker 4: all I can think about is my back right now?
Speaker 3: When did that start?
Speaker 4: Christmas Day? Oh my gosh, so a long time ago.
Speaker 4: But it went away for a little bit. I thought
Speaker 4: it was hormonal, and then after my cycle started, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, well, that makes sense, Like sometimes my
Speaker 4: back hurts around that time, not always, but sometimes. And
Speaker 4: then it went away, and then I rearranged some furniture
Speaker 4: and it came back. So maybe it was hormonal around Christmas,
Speaker 4: and then maybe it was inflamed. And then it didn't
Speaker 4: totally go down, and then I made it worse trying
Speaker 4: to move furniture without sliders. But then I got smart
Speaker 4: and I went to home Depot and I got some
Speaker 4: new sliders.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with the sliders.
Speaker 4: You know, the things you put on your furniture to
Speaker 4: slide it around. Wait, you don't know, you really don't know.
Speaker 3: I know what the little things are. They put on
Speaker 3: chairs so they don't scratch up your floor. Is that
Speaker 3: what you mean?
Speaker 4: No, okay, it's cat. How do you move furniture?
Speaker 3: I call my dad I lived it, or I call
Speaker 3: somebody to help me. But or if it's a carpet
Speaker 3: or something I slided, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I guess I've got hard woods and drugs, so
Speaker 4: I can't really just slide and I don't want to
Speaker 4: scratch the floor. So my son was trying to help me,
Speaker 4: which shot out out he is strong for fifteen. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you go, buddy, yay. I'm like you got it. I'm
Speaker 4: encouraging it. I'm like barely so stronging it up. But
Speaker 4: we were really struggling with some of the pieces, and
Speaker 4: I thought, okay, I didn't know where my sliders were
Speaker 4: because I've had them before and I can find them.
Speaker 4: So I was like, get in the car. So I
Speaker 4: went to home depot and I got I got upgraded sliders.
Speaker 4: Though like these sometimes you can get it with like
Speaker 4: two different surfaces on each side, so that way they
Speaker 4: work on carpet or wood you just have to flip depending.
Speaker 4: But I got these came with like little coats, like
Speaker 4: a little coat that you put a little jacket, a
Speaker 4: little fuzzy jacket that you put on the disc, and
Speaker 4: then it really slides across hardwoods like butter. I was
Speaker 4: moving all kinds of things after that.
Speaker 3: Those are reminding me of the little discs you have
Speaker 3: You ever used those when you work out?
Speaker 4: Yes, those are the devil. That is pretty much what
Speaker 4: the same thing. Yes, actually we could get those, put
Speaker 4: them on our feet and do some lungeons. I don't
Speaker 4: want to or were like some skaters. Is that what
Speaker 4: they're called? Yeah, I know what we're talking about. Pretty painful. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: I definitely could not do a skater, do you know.
Speaker 4: I was still doing pilates after my back was hurting,
Speaker 4: and the instructor came over and asked me if I
Speaker 4: was okay at one point because I was really struggling,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I
Speaker 4: think I don't know, just hormonal back pain.
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 4: And she's like, here, here's a stick. So she gave
Speaker 4: me this really long pole. And I've never seen anyone
Speaker 4: in class use these. I'm pretty sure they really were
Speaker 4: the elderly.
Speaker 3: No, they're not those things that they have the little
Speaker 3: base on top of you can put your hand on.
Speaker 4: It's just a stick, oh with like a rubber so
Speaker 4: it stays put on the hard floor. But I had
Speaker 4: to hold the stick the entire class because like I
Speaker 4: couldn't bend down all the way.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's for the elderly.
Speaker 4: I think it's for the elder or the pregnant.
Speaker 3: Every time I've been to.
Speaker 4: Every time, even where, to strip class.
Speaker 3: Every time I've been to a strip class, there's been
Speaker 3: a pole.
Speaker 4: There's been a pole, right, yes.
Speaker 3: No, every time I've been to a ploate's class or
Speaker 3: a lagree class, they have those things and for some moves,
Speaker 3: the teacher brings them to everybody.
Speaker 4: Oh, I've never done a list.
Speaker 3: You must go to really advance, because sometimes I'm like
Speaker 3: living for that pole.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a poll before, and no I go
Speaker 4: to regular, like I don't go to advance. But I've
Speaker 4: never done La grease. So maybe that's why i feel
Speaker 4: like I'm too scared of that. That seems too intense.
Speaker 3: Well, I think, no, you can if I can do it,
Speaker 3: you can do it, thank you.
Speaker 4: I don't have a back paint, right now, so well,
Speaker 4: so I'm grateful. Okay, well that's my feeling.
Speaker 3: You're grateful. I'm feeling shook and I'm feeling shook for
Speaker 3: two reasons. I'm feeling shook because of a voice while
Speaker 3: we got and I'm feeling shook And maybe shook is
Speaker 3: the wrong word for the second one, but it's just
Speaker 3: what came to me. I'm feeling shook about something. We
Speaker 3: start listeners to listen to bethstead podcast about this crazy
Speaker 3: thing that happened. They're all out. I listened to the
Speaker 3: last one. I saved it for today so it'd be
Speaker 3: fresh on my mind. Oh wow, the second to last episode,
Speaker 3: I was like so annoyed, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm done with this, so I needed a break. And
Speaker 3: then I was like, I listened the last one before
Speaker 3: because surely something what I thought was going to happen
Speaker 3: was going to happen and it didn't. So which one
Speaker 3: do you want to talk about first?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know your thoughts on Beth's Stead, so
Speaker 4: I'm very curious about those. I do know the voicemail,
Speaker 4: So let's just go ahead and get the voicemail out
Speaker 4: of the way, because I too, am a little shook
Speaker 4: by that I'm not a little like, I'm disturbed, I'm confused,
Speaker 4: I'm scared, I'm worried for humanity. Yes, so this is
Speaker 4: a voicemail that came in about why you should always
Speaker 4: wash your underwear well and more.
Speaker 3: Well, wash your underwear new underwear.
Speaker 4: Right because Kat has admitted she doesn't wash swimsuits, underwear
Speaker 4: sheets like Kathy, She's like, straight out of the bag,
Speaker 4: straight from the store, rub this all over my body.
Speaker 4: And now after you hear this voicemail that we got
Speaker 4: from a caller who is anonymous, but not because we
Speaker 4: you know, she's like, don't say my name. She just
Speaker 4: like didn't say her name. So whoever sent this, like,
Speaker 4: if you're listening now, thank you for you know, changing
Speaker 4: Cat's life because now she's gonna start washing everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this scared me.
Speaker 4: Here's the voicemail.
Speaker 2: So I used to be with Cat on the not
Speaker 2: washing my clothes or anything after I bought them, until
Speaker 2: I saw a video of a guy taking a pair
Speaker 2: of panties in the store, putting the whole thing in
Speaker 2: his mouth, sucking on it, and then setting it back
Speaker 2: down on the shelf. And ever since then, I have
Speaker 2: washed all my clothes, especially my underwear. Cat, please think
Speaker 2: about creepy people out there. Hey, love you guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, she lost me when she said sucking on it,
Speaker 3: Like why was he not even mean he was sucking
Speaker 3: on it?
Speaker 4: Like he grabbed the underwear and.
Speaker 3: Put the whole thing in his mouth, And it was like.
Speaker 4: But why, like what I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Just I wonder if he like does that on the regular,
Speaker 3: if he was just trying to like pull a prank.
Speaker 4: Okay, but honestly, I'm sort of like, okay, at least
Speaker 4: he was like, I'd rather it be that or fish
Speaker 4: And like I thought she was going to say, he
Speaker 4: grabbed the underwear and like stuck it down his pants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's actually that is better because then it's wet, right,
Speaker 3: So like, just don't I guess it would drive ventually
Speaker 3: tries he just stuck it down his pants, it would
Speaker 3: never and then.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, see, I'd rather if I had to choose,
Speaker 4: like the mouth is it's not okay, but it's better
Speaker 4: than the alternative.
Speaker 3: Also, he's doing this in public where she was able
Speaker 3: to see it. Who else saw this and did anybody
Speaker 3: say something.
Speaker 4: See something?
Speaker 3: Say something exactly you wouldn't because you'd be afraid of
Speaker 3: somebody retaliate.
Speaker 4: You know, if I knew he wouldn't. He didn't know
Speaker 4: that I was the one that said something. You would tell,
Speaker 4: ID just go tell like a clerk or.
Speaker 3: I wonder if this is somebody that worked there. Listener
Speaker 3: Anonymous told somebody I wish.
Speaker 4: I could ask her some questions about now, like we
Speaker 4: need more details. Where all is that you can give
Speaker 4: us some more details about it? Did you get the underwear?
Speaker 3: What kind of underwear was it? Where were you say something?
Speaker 3: Were other people watching? Yeah? Because like if it's like
Speaker 3: a full butted underwear, that's a lot.
Speaker 4: Of If it's like granny panties, it's like a lot.
Speaker 4: If it's just like a little string, Okay, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: have questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm shook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'd love it's just like the little nugget
Speaker 4: that that was like such a simple voicemail that was entertaining, perplexing, educational, Yes,
Speaker 4: and educational and is going to likely encourage change to you, Yes,
Speaker 4: because yeah, you're now going to become a washer, you
Speaker 4: know what.
Speaker 3: Patrick, I'm just thinking about this. We just went to
Speaker 3: Target and got them some new boxers didn't wash them.
Speaker 3: They were folded into package though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's unlikely that someone you can't suck it
Speaker 4: in your mouth, right, Okay, I vow to you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go buy some new underwear today
Speaker 3: just to prove that I can wash them before I
Speaker 3: wear them. Stand by that. Okay, do you do that?
Speaker 4: If you report back, see if you just feel anything different? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: So why else are you shook? I mean the voicemail shook,
Speaker 4: but I know it's in regards to Beth's dead. But
Speaker 4: I don't know your thoughts on the final episode, which
Speaker 4: if you didn't get the homework assignment and you didn't listen,
Speaker 4: well sorry, that's okay, and we're probably saving your time.
Speaker 4: Depending on Kat's feelings, maybe you would say, now don't listen, I.
Speaker 3: Would say, listen to the big first six or seven episodes.
Speaker 4: Okay that were we going to talk about what happened? Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: but also like so like don't like I obviously feel like, yes,
Speaker 4: it's like a waste of time. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I first started listening to it, I thought
Speaker 3: something completely different was going on. Same, so I was
Speaker 3: really invested in it, and I was just like, this
Speaker 3: is so crazy, Oh my gosh, this is like such
Speaker 3: a good idea for a podcast, like I love it.
Speaker 3: But then as the episodes went on, we'll talk about
Speaker 3: what the actual content was, but this is my critique
Speaker 3: of the actual podcast, which I know podcasting is hard
Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this was
Speaker 3: my thought about it. As it went on, it felt
Speaker 3: more manufactured and less like because it felt at first
Speaker 3: like it was this like organic unveiling of the story,
Speaker 3: and then it felt more manufactured and they were just
Speaker 3: trying to like squeeze the lemon and like the story
Speaker 3: was over, but they just I guess they needed ten
Speaker 3: episodes because it was a ten episode series. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I want to say my thought, my overall thought,
Speaker 3: because it's about the end.
Speaker 4: Okay, well then think about that, think about whether or
Speaker 4: not you want to say your overall thought. And I'm
Speaker 4: going to read an email that we got from our listener, Cindy. Okay,
Speaker 4: and I love that she designs the email and only Cindy,
Speaker 4: because what were.
Speaker 3: You calling, Cindy? What were you saying? Oh no, I
Speaker 3: get what she's I thought that was a callback from
Speaker 3: when you were talking about Cindy lu who or something?
Speaker 3: Cindy who who or something?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, she's clarifying that she is Cindy and
Speaker 4: it's just her, she is not someone else. Because Beth's
Speaker 4: Dead has to do with a cat fishing situation.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's actually really funny.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: That's good Sindy, get we get you, even cat she's
Speaker 4: a little slow.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 4: I heard about Beth's Dead from you guys, and I've
Speaker 4: bench it in a couple of days. I'm flabbergasted and
Speaker 4: where the hosts ended up. I cannot wait to hear
Speaker 4: your thoughts on it. I feel like the guy is
Speaker 4: just to master manipulator and they were absolutely duped again.
Speaker 4: He came in with the addiction angle, knowing Monica would
Speaker 4: have compassion. Now I feel bizarre emailing podcasts like this.
Speaker 4: I swear I'm one human love the podcast and I
Speaker 4: listen weekly. Thanks for being you, Cindy and only Cindy. Which, okay,
Speaker 4: to all of our listeners. If you listen to Beth's
Speaker 4: Dead because of us, and then now you're second guessing
Speaker 4: ever sending us a voicemail or an email, don't we
Speaker 4: are fine having a healthy parasocial relationship with y'all. I
Speaker 4: think that those can exist. In fact, we have those
Speaker 4: with listeners, and then some have become like where we
Speaker 4: know listeners, we see them out and about and it's
Speaker 4: like or we see them at events and it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: how are you.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen you in.
Speaker 4: A while, or like we end up knowing faces that
Speaker 4: we dm with, but it stays healthy, it's cool, like
Speaker 4: we're not We're not going to go anywhere crazy. But
Speaker 4: if you haven't listened, you might be like, well, what
Speaker 4: could you be flabberated about? And what is she talking about?
Speaker 4: Like addiction angle and Monica having compassion. Well, so Monica
Speaker 4: works alongside Dak Shepherd, who is in recovery, and she
Speaker 4: mentions in the podcast that she knows a lot of
Speaker 4: people in recovery, so who knows who well in her life.
Speaker 3: I think relapsed while she was working with him.
Speaker 4: He did, so she's walked through that as well. And
Speaker 4: I have walked alongside people with alcoholism in the last
Speaker 4: five years, so I feel like I have learned a
Speaker 4: lot about that. And you can tell Monica knows the program.
Speaker 4: She even probably works her own type of program as
Speaker 4: a loved one of someone that is an alcoholic or
Speaker 4: an addict, and I highly respect her demeanor towards people
Speaker 4: like she seems like a very caring, compassionate person. I
Speaker 4: gathered that through the episode. I was like, okay, wow,
Speaker 4: and I found myself being very compassionate towards the cat
Speaker 4: Fisher and I did, I did, why are you looking
Speaker 4: at me? Crazy?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Okay, see, I feel like you're a few shook, but
Speaker 4: I am like, okay, I can be convinced otherwise, but
Speaker 4: I don't agree with Cindy, and maybe based on the
Speaker 4: look on your face, like y'all don't think he was
Speaker 4: being genuine.
Speaker 3: Okay. I'm going to preface this with I also very
Speaker 3: I want to be careful. I have a lot of
Speaker 3: compassion for, of course, the addiction community. I've worked in
Speaker 3: addiction for many years. I wouldn't call myself the expert
Speaker 3: of experts on it, but I understand it.
Speaker 4: You for sure do, and I can vouch for you
Speaker 4: on that. But I'm wondering how much do we need
Speaker 4: to give people that are listening to us now that
Speaker 4: maybe haven't listened to all of the episode.
Speaker 3: I think if you haven't listened to it. You're not.
Speaker 3: You don't need to.
Speaker 4: So how do we talk about this in a way
Speaker 4: that's going to be entertaining to them?
Speaker 3: Well, because I'm going to explain what happened.
Speaker 4: Sweet Okay, Well, I didn't know how far back we
Speaker 4: were going to go.
Speaker 3: I think I can explain it in a nutshell. So
Speaker 3: basically what happened is, there's back in the beginning of podcasts,
Speaker 3: there's this podcast that listeners would just like our couch Talks,
Speaker 3: listeners would email questions and stuff and they would read
Speaker 3: them and give advice. So what had happened was somebody
Speaker 3: started emailing these two. It was a husband and a
Speaker 3: wife and you can fill in any gaps that I'm missing,
Speaker 3: but started emailing. The first email was about like some
Speaker 3: fat shaming or body shaming of somebody, and it was
Speaker 3: a good question, I think, like good, good for thought,
Speaker 3: good for conversation, for the podcast, seemed pretty normal, kind
Speaker 3: of tugged on their heartstrings. Then what ended up transpiring
Speaker 3: is they started getting more emails from the same person.
Speaker 3: And I won't give up the storylines of the emails
Speaker 3: because they're not that important. But just like on couch Talks,
Speaker 3: when like we read an email, and listeners then will
Speaker 3: email us about that email like an update, an update.
Speaker 3: But then like even other people will be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I heard your email about Susan and I wanted to
Speaker 3: let her know that I'm thinking of her and we've
Speaker 3: had like those connections and I love those moments. Yes,
Speaker 3: They're so sweet and so special. So that was happening here,
Speaker 3: and there ended up being like five people that were
Speaker 3: emailing the woman of the host, and she was responding
Speaker 3: back like right away, and they were getting very intense
Speaker 3: and it wasn't just like emailing questions for the podcast.
Speaker 3: They were emailing personal stuff. So she gets wrapped up
Speaker 3: in this whole thing. She becomes very enmeshed in this
Speaker 3: one particular character story, Beth. And then Beth dies by suicide,
Speaker 3: I think, right, yep, So that creates a whole other
Speaker 3: snowball effect.
Speaker 4: It leads to their podcast ending.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and like this woman is torn up by this.
Speaker 4: I thought when I heard that part, because at this point,
Speaker 4: when we're listening, we think that Beth is real and
Speaker 4: she's really dead.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, I I never thought one other thing
Speaker 3: other than what the story that they were telling us
Speaker 3: was true. And when Beth died. This is the thought
Speaker 3: I had. I was like, this is and I think
Speaker 3: I told you this. This is kind of weird that
Speaker 3: they're reading this dead person's emails as if she's a
Speaker 3: crazy person because she's dead and we should respect her,
Speaker 3: and like, what if she didn't want that out there.
Speaker 4: Well, I that's sweet of you to think of her.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about us and our relationships and listeners
Speaker 4: and like thinking back over emails that we've gotten over
Speaker 4: the years, and like I started to wonder, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know how you give the disclaimer at the beginning
Speaker 4: of couch Talks and like, oh, thank god we get
Speaker 4: a disclaimer, Like we're covered there legally, like if someone
Speaker 4: were to like make a decision, do something, or just that, Okay,
Speaker 4: we've maintained like healthy boundaries. We don't get too wrapped
Speaker 4: up in things. Yes, we appreciate the core respondence and
Speaker 4: we want it, but also we can't like that was
Speaker 4: cool of her to sit down and start responding to
Speaker 4: every single email. But if you've ever emailed us, you
Speaker 4: may know that your email may end up on a
Speaker 4: couch Talks and then that's where we address it. Occasionally
Speaker 4: we'll write back and maybe that's wrong. I haven't thought
Speaker 4: about it because early in my career I spent time
Speaker 4: replying to almost everybody, even hate mail that I would get,
Speaker 4: like I would spend a long time drafting like a
Speaker 4: very thoughtful response, and then I realized I had to
Speaker 4: soon let that go, which then sort of led to
Speaker 4: me letting go in a lot of communication. And I'm
Speaker 4: sort of like, there are some like I would love
Speaker 4: to respond to you, but I'm like, if we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about it on couch talks eventually, then I
Speaker 4: may not need to email back or I might be like, hey,
Speaker 4: heads up, this is going to be on an upcoming
Speaker 4: couch talks, like be on the lookout. But I don't
Speaker 4: engage in a lot of back and forth. But it's
Speaker 4: more of a time thing and not because I don't
Speaker 4: care about our list. I don't want to have grow
Speaker 4: your gratitude. But it's like I also would rather, okay,
Speaker 4: if I saw them in person, like I want to
Speaker 4: connect that way and be like, hey, oh if we
Speaker 4: had a live podcast or I ran into them somewhere
Speaker 4: and they said hi, Like that would be better. But
Speaker 4: I can't have these email relationships with every single person
Speaker 4: that comes in. But it just made me think of
Speaker 4: anybody that's ever emailed us, and have we ever read
Speaker 4: an email that was fake that like someone sent pretending
Speaker 4: to be somebody else.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that there's there's two ways that could happen.
Speaker 3: It could be like Beth dead, like I'm pretending to
Speaker 3: be somebody else, or you could be asking a question
Speaker 3: on like behalf of a friend. And I think they
Speaker 3: addressed this in the last episode, like if something happened
Speaker 3: to my friend and I wanted to ask about it, it
Speaker 3: wasn't my story, I might write an email and act
Speaker 3: like it was my story and vice versa. That's not catfishing.
Speaker 3: That's just like asking the legit question in a way
Speaker 3: that feels comfortable. This is like you're pretend you're making
Speaker 3: up a whole storyline, you're making up whole people, And like,
Speaker 3: maybe that has happened to us, but nothing to this
Speaker 3: extent because we don't have those ongoing said conversations, which.
Speaker 4: That it made me thankful that we kind of have
Speaker 4: things set up the way that we do, or we
Speaker 4: operate in that way.
Speaker 3: But thought, what's happening, I would be like, you gotta
Speaker 3: stop responding, like this girl, this podcast host, and she
Speaker 3: talks a little bit about her story. You kind of
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 4: Be like, okay, like you should have what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Like you're not. I don't want to be rude because
Speaker 3: she had I understand why she got so enmessed into it,
Speaker 3: but like that, I think she needs to address that
Speaker 3: of like some of those.
Speaker 4: And she said that, yeah, yeah, so and she also
Speaker 4: there's a reason why she wasn't filling her husband on everything.
Speaker 4: So I think you'd have been like, bab, what are
Speaker 4: you doing?
Speaker 3: So thankfully we can both see our email accounts, so
Speaker 3: if you were doing that, unless you were deleting them,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, hey, so we're going a little too far.
Speaker 4: You did see an email that I sent the other day.
Speaker 4: It's something I won't ever bring up on couch Talks,
Speaker 4: but someone sent in an email asking about something sort
Speaker 4: of private, and it's one I could have ignored. But
Speaker 4: for whatever reason that day, I was feeling like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to give this person an explanation because I don't know,
Speaker 4: I feel like it and I can do it in
Speaker 4: a thoughtful way. So I replied to them and gave
Speaker 4: them an explanation. And you saw it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the person responded in a very healthy way too.
Speaker 4: If they responded in a healthy way too, I know
Speaker 4: it was a healthy exchange. But you were like you
Speaker 4: were like I saw you replied to that listener, and
Speaker 4: I was shocked, and I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: she could have emailed, or I could have read the
Speaker 4: email the next day and probably not had the energy
Speaker 4: to respond, But for whatever reason, in that moment, I
Speaker 4: decided to send a response, and I'm glad I did.
Speaker 4: And it was Yes, it was a healthy exchange and
Speaker 4: then poop poop, we ended it and it's all good.
Speaker 3: But you did see that that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I had continued to correspond and there was
Speaker 4: some back and forth and a little weird and crazy,
Speaker 4: you might be like, Amy, stop, we got to pull
Speaker 4: the plug on this. Yeah, that was an example of
Speaker 4: like a healthy exchange of a very parasocial relationship type.
Speaker 3: Question and that person was respectful, very Yeah. So anyway
Speaker 3: to kind of round out this story so I can
Speaker 3: get to my thoughts on the ending, turns out Beth
Speaker 3: didn't die because Beth didn't exist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's so that man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one person that was like these they
Speaker 3: know of like five to seven people. There could have
Speaker 3: been more of them that the host was emailing all
Speaker 3: of these people, and then they ended up doing some
Speaker 3: investigative work of their own because they were kind of
Speaker 3: scared when they when all this happened, and they thought
Speaker 3: I was scared for them.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was like, Wow, they must be so
Speaker 4: sure about what they're about to do, because I couldn't
Speaker 4: believe it.
Speaker 3: When they confronted and they did the zoom or just like.
Speaker 4: Putting the whole even at the beginning of the whole podcast,
Speaker 4: when I was like, wait, I don't know where this
Speaker 4: is going, but how they're able to talk about all
Speaker 4: of this is crazy. And before we continue, I think
Speaker 4: it might be cool to just define parasocial in case
Speaker 4: and be listening doesn't know exactly what that means, because
Speaker 4: I've only become familiar with it in the last couple
Speaker 4: of years or so. It's a one sided relationship where
Speaker 4: a person feels a strong emotional connection with the media
Speaker 4: figure like a celebrity, influencer or fictional character who is
Speaker 4: unaware of their existence, involving feelings of friendship or intimacy
Speaker 4: despite the lack of real interaction. It was coined in
Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties who knew.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So yeah, they find out this person's not none,
Speaker 3: these people are real. Then they are trying to figure
Speaker 3: out who it is because they want to. I don't
Speaker 3: know what they really wanted to do. I mean, what
Speaker 3: can you do. You can't like sue this person like
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of stock. It was kind
Speaker 3: of stalking. But they thought it was this one prominent figure,
Speaker 3: a professor on the East Coast in religion or spirituality
Speaker 3: or theology or something like that. And in my head,
Speaker 3: I'm like, they're basically giving this person's identity.
Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to Google to try to I
Speaker 4: looked on Reddit. Oh did they say it was?
Speaker 3: I will say it was kind of overwhelming for me
Speaker 3: to read all the Reddit comments, so I kind of
Speaker 3: eventually stopped once I So, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: think they figured out who was. I think there were
Speaker 3: like two people they thought it was. But then I
Speaker 3: don't know that anybody. To me, I'm like, we could
Speaker 3: have it feels like it could have been figured out.
Speaker 4: But well, they did say they changed things to make
Speaker 4: sure nobody they weren't dropping clues, So I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: when did they go when did they go edit and change? Yeah,
Speaker 4: like did they purposefully say East coast when really it's
Speaker 4: Middle America.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, that's actually the West coast, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then they end up deciding that they're going to
Speaker 3: confront this person that they think it is. And this
Speaker 3: is when I was like, this is going to get
Speaker 3: so good, because it kind of went like, Okay, we
Speaker 3: found out it's not a real person. The podcast should
Speaker 3: be ended. But now they're dragging this podcast on there
Speaker 3: like we're going to confront this person. Can I keep going, Okay,
Speaker 3: why are you asking me? Because I know if there's
Speaker 3: anything else you wanted to say before I give this away.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I could combine with that. I'm actually looking
Speaker 4: up to see and read it.
Speaker 3: Read it.
Speaker 4: They were speculating, I.
Speaker 3: Will say on Reddit people are ready long they have
Speaker 3: like a parasocial relationship with with this yes, And I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't read all of this, it's too much.
Speaker 3: So they decided to conront this person. They had a
Speaker 3: phone number that this person had given them. They end
Speaker 3: up calling the person agrees to do a interview with
Speaker 3: them as long as they would change his voice, which
Speaker 3: was shocking to me. I was like, there's no way
Speaker 3: this person's going to do it. And then they end
Speaker 3: up doing it and it's not the person they thought
Speaker 3: it is his son. M hm. This is where they
Speaker 3: lost me.
Speaker 4: Okay, see why did they lose you? And what do
Speaker 4: you think?
Speaker 3: Because I think it was the sun?
Speaker 4: You think you do?
Speaker 3: I do not think it was. Then I think it
Speaker 3: was the sun. I don't think it was. Now I
Speaker 3: will say and the last tie, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Gonna keep repeating you you don't think it was the sun.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Cindy does.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I maybe because Cindy is flabbergested.
Speaker 3: So I will give the credit that Monica said. Because
Speaker 3: they changed the guy's voice, you lose some of the
Speaker 3: intentionality and the sincereness of this guy because they had
Speaker 3: to do voice altering. So his voice is kind of
Speaker 3: just like kind of monotone and blah. And they were
Speaker 3: saying like he was so sincere, he was so authentic,
Speaker 3: he was like so apologetic and all of that. Here's
Speaker 3: my thing, here's my main thing. He didn't remember like anything.
Speaker 4: But then he would kind of remember some stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like what and That's where it got me
Speaker 4: where I was like, well, why do you remember this
Speaker 4: one thing but you don't remember other things?
Speaker 3: And like, you don't remember one of the main things
Speaker 3: was the money that he donated, so he gave them
Speaker 3: a thousand dollars and he goes, I'm like, you remember
Speaker 3: if you were And this is judgmental for me. My
Speaker 3: thoughts are, if you are heavy in addiction, you probably
Speaker 3: are spending a lot of money on stuff and hurting
Speaker 3: for money, and a lot of times people have to
Speaker 3: end up taking money from others, Like you don't have
Speaker 3: like a thousand dollars just hanging out that you would
Speaker 3: give to a podcast when you probably want to be
Speaker 3: using it on.
Speaker 4: Other stuff and you're living in your parents you're living
Speaker 4: in your parents base it.
Speaker 3: So that's what I about that.
Speaker 4: That that part, I will say, did perplex me. I
Speaker 4: was perplexed at a lot of the the when he
Speaker 4: would remember stuff and when not. But I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I guess it might depend on how drunk he was.
Speaker 3: But then if you see his drug of a chy.
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying alcohol, but it could have been other things.
Speaker 4: If he's under the influence of whatever I said, drunk
Speaker 4: but could be drugs. So how is he able to
Speaker 4: keep all the characters? You know, because there was multiple listeners,
Speaker 4: emailers character he was able to keep them straight.
Speaker 3: And his emails were like coherent.
Speaker 4: So like maybe at the time when he's in the addiction,
Speaker 4: like he remembers it all. It's sort of like you know,
Speaker 4: you're living in a like you're little that time frame,
Speaker 4: and then maybe when he comes out of that into sobriety,
Speaker 4: could it be that he blocks some of that time.
Speaker 3: It's very possible. But my thing is not even that,
Speaker 3: like he wasn't an addict. I very well think this
Speaker 3: man could be an addict and he's in recovery and
Speaker 3: all that. I think he's covering for his dad.
Speaker 4: But part of recovery is honesty.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know all. I haven't worked
Speaker 3: this whole thing out.
Speaker 4: Well because I'm just thinking like that, being like living
Speaker 4: like a how do you explain an alignment?
Speaker 3: But how do you explain the IP addresses? So at
Speaker 3: the way they found out who this guy was is
Speaker 3: because they traced the IP addresses. Don't ask me to
Speaker 3: explain an IP address.
Speaker 4: Well, it's where you can find out where some thing
Speaker 4: is being sent from at any given time, and he
Speaker 4: was in Europe.
Speaker 3: Yes, in these very specific places, and that's when these
Speaker 3: emails were sent. And like, I don't think this.
Speaker 4: Well, the son said sometimes he would travel with his
Speaker 4: dad or on his own. He said that he did
Speaker 4: he did because I too was wondering, and he did
Speaker 4: say that, however.
Speaker 3: What's convenient that is?
Speaker 4: But he was acting as if he doesn't agree with
Speaker 4: a lot of what his father says and does.
Speaker 3: So why is he going with him to his academic Well.
Speaker 4: You can still have a relationship with your because yeah,
Speaker 4: if your dad's like, hey, I have to go to
Speaker 4: Europe for this, you want to go? Maybe say no?
Speaker 3: Maybe if he's like heavy an addiction, his dad does
Speaker 3: want to leave him at home, maybe okay.
Speaker 4: But but my question to you is on with this
Speaker 4: theory which you could be totally onto something, but say
Speaker 4: it still is the dad and the son is covering
Speaker 4: for him is part of the act, Like, hey, if
Speaker 4: you're going to cover for me and you do, it's
Speaker 4: probably makes more sense that we have conflict in our relationship,
Speaker 4: Like you should act as if you don't align with
Speaker 4: me politically, religiously, and that will seem more real, yeah,
Speaker 4: because he's like, look, I don't really and then he
Speaker 4: really wanted to leave his dad out of it. He's like,
Speaker 4: my dad knows nothing about this, like he didn't.
Speaker 3: Do this, which is shocking, shocking.
Speaker 4: I need to know who this family are.
Speaker 3: I know. I have a strong feeling that the dad
Speaker 3: had more to lose if he was found out and
Speaker 3: they found out who it was. So this is a
Speaker 3: very convenient, like, hey, son, you cover for me, and
Speaker 3: you know I'll pay for your anything, any Like, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's a trade off there. And hear me when
Speaker 3: I say this, I'm making all this is all my speculation, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I don't want like I could be totally wrong,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that, but it just seems a
Speaker 3: little fishy. And what bothered me I think about the
Speaker 3: last two episodes is they were so easily convinced by
Speaker 3: this guy. They didn't question it at.
Speaker 4: All, And don't you think off air though behind the
Speaker 4: scenes they probably did.
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if they're like they have to be
Speaker 3: politically correct, so they're like, oh, like he was an addict,
Speaker 3: like he's was going through tough times. They don't want
Speaker 3: to like sound hardher judgmental. It's part of my thought
Speaker 3: of like why they were so easily like, Oh, he's
Speaker 3: a good guy, we forgive him everything. This is great.
Speaker 3: I'm glad this happened. The last episode really got me
Speaker 3: when they were like more concern which if he really
Speaker 3: was an addict and this really was because he was
Speaker 3: in his addiction, he was sick, then I get it.
Speaker 3: I guess my thing is I want more of the
Speaker 3: conversation of them questioning it, or like how did they
Speaker 3: get there so quickly?
Speaker 4: So I guess there's an armchair expert thing on Reddit
Speaker 4: because I just googled and now I'm on some Reddit
Speaker 4: page and there's stuff that's been redacted, so I can't
Speaker 4: see it all, Like did you know you could redact
Speaker 4: on Reddit?
Speaker 3: No, he was redacting it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I do you think that's the guy's name is
Speaker 3: right there?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but someone replied to a redacted statement.
Speaker 4: From the reply, you can kind of guess what maybe
Speaker 4: the statement was saying. But they're I think they're thinking
Speaker 4: more of what you're thinking, and they're sort of feeling
Speaker 4: crazy because they listened the last episode and they're like, wait,
Speaker 4: what this is how y'all are responding because they said,
Speaker 4: I don't know do you give Reddit handles?
Speaker 3: Okay, there are anonymous handles anyway, and I think that
Speaker 3: that's somebody wants credit for it.
Speaker 4: Okay. So glad to find this here. As I thought
Speaker 4: I was the one losing my mind after the Zoom
Speaker 4: call with the Sun, I expected the team to reconvene
Speaker 4: and have a wtf was that reaction? The OMG, I
Speaker 4: believe him now I have closure. I guess the police,
Speaker 4: the private investigator and everyone else was wrong. Reaction was
Speaker 4: totally unexpected and kind of blew me away. The guy
Speaker 4: was so vague about everything, really said nothing specific about
Speaker 4: the podcast that would give any indication that he was
Speaker 4: a regular listener, couldn't remember pretty big details like emailing
Speaker 4: a question in as Natasha had to be prodded to
Speaker 4: remember that he occasionally would take trips with his dad.
Speaker 4: Were also, as others have mentioned, supposed to buy that
Speaker 4: this guy is enough of an alcoholic and drug addict
Speaker 4: to not remember large chunks of details about this timeframe,
Speaker 4: but that during the midst of his addiction he was
Speaker 4: able to keep track of the intricate plot details of
Speaker 4: multiple fictional characters he had created, as well as right
Speaker 4: an academic level of that you're at that was that
Speaker 4: was crazy. Now, the whole piece about religion, and he was.
Speaker 3: Like tripping on something like a hallucinogen. I can see
Speaker 3: how he could write that. I could see because it
Speaker 3: sounded like he's in la la land when he was
Speaker 3: writing that. Okay, if you were drunk or just like
Speaker 3: high off of whatever, you're not writing that. So this person,
Speaker 3: thank you because they put how I feel into beautiful words.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, huh, you took us on this ride,
Speaker 3: and then this is how you're going to end it.
Speaker 3: The Sun literally didn't know. It's like he wasn't even
Speaker 3: prepared enough to have that interview because every time they
Speaker 3: ask him something, he's like, I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh it says here and I forgot to think about
Speaker 4: this as well. They said, don't forget his emails had
Speaker 4: double spacing at the start of new sentences. Considering the
Speaker 4: professor's age, I imagine that the Sun is a millennial
Speaker 4: at most. I believe the last generation of people who
Speaker 4: did that was the typewriter type spacing generation.
Speaker 3: Well, I did that in college. But that's just because
Speaker 3: it made your page longer. Oh well, how to be
Speaker 3: like three pages? I would double space.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think he was headed for a page
Speaker 4: count because I know we needed that. And then another
Speaker 4: person is with you too, Kat here they say, also,
Speaker 4: how do you not remember a thousand dollars?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that when he doesn't have a job or anything.
Speaker 3: Maybe he did have a job then, but I think
Speaker 3: I just feel like disappointed, not that it was him
Speaker 3: that like it. We went on this ride and then
Speaker 3: we're just gonna be like, Okay, this seems right. When
Speaker 3: everything all evidence pointed to his dad.
Speaker 4: I am shocked. I had not looked up anything online.
Speaker 4: I I think I was listening to it. I was
Speaker 4: on a walk and I was thinking, oh, I need
Speaker 4: to look this up when I get back, and then
Speaker 4: I moved on with life and forgot about it. But
Speaker 4: most people here are thinking it's still the dad. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're like.
Speaker 3: You, which I will say, good on. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: smart on the dad. If if that's.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, if like my mom or dad
Speaker 4: came to me, they would either have something that they're
Speaker 4: blackmailing me with. Yeah, like the dad is either like hey,
Speaker 4: here's I'll pay for this, or if you don't do this,
Speaker 4: then I have this information about you and it's gonna
Speaker 4: ruin your life.
Speaker 3: But actually, no, because I thought about that if this
Speaker 3: was my parents and they got themselves in this situation,
Speaker 3: and I could take the fall. But no, because we're
Speaker 3: never going to know who that guy is. There's no
Speaker 3: way to find out who he is, so I could
Speaker 3: take the fall, but the only people that would know
Speaker 3: were Monica and the two podcast hosts. So I think
Speaker 3: if I realized that my parents, like royally messed up
Speaker 3: and that got themselves in this huge thing, I might
Speaker 3: have the compassion for my parents to fall on the
Speaker 3: sword for him. That guy's getting no consequence, like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't get a consequence for taking the blame. It's not
Speaker 3: like people, it's not like we got to see his
Speaker 3: face or know who he is. So he's really not
Speaker 3: even taking the blame. It's just shifting the blame off
Speaker 3: of the professor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know how something else that's coming up,
Speaker 4: and what I'm reading from people is he did his
Speaker 4: research to know how to connect with the podcast host.
Speaker 4: Like you mentioned one of the first emails that he
Speaker 4: wrote in about was a body image type question, right,
Speaker 4: so he was calculated in that like likely trying to
Speaker 4: tug on the hosts heartstrings because she had mentioned her
Speaker 4: issues with her mom growing up, so he did certain
Speaker 4: things to manipulate and that relationship with her right well
Speaker 4: with Monica because she has walked through it with Dax
Speaker 4: and maybe other people. If he's done his research on Monica,
Speaker 4: he knows that one way to pull at her heart
Speaker 4: strings and manipulate her would be to be an addict
Speaker 4: in recovery and now have remorse. And I wanted to
Speaker 4: make amends, but I didn't want to open up that wound,
Speaker 4: like if y'all had moved on, like you know, or
Speaker 4: how would I go about doing it? So they're saying
Speaker 4: that just like he manipulated Elizabeth the podcast host, he
Speaker 4: then did the same thing to Monica, which who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but it is a theory.
Speaker 3: You bringing that up made me remember, and this is
Speaker 3: a question I have for you, like a what would
Speaker 3: you do situation? You know that. And for people who
Speaker 3: didn't listen to the podcast, there was one storyline where
Speaker 3: this person wrote in and she was engaged to this guy,
Speaker 3: and she had posed for nude photos before she was
Speaker 3: with this person, I think make money to get through
Speaker 3: school or something like that. And these photos ended up
Speaker 3: being mass distributed and I guess we're very popular, and like,
Speaker 3: if you went to certain websites that she didn't know
Speaker 3: that were they were going to be on, you could
Speaker 3: see them. And so she was like, they're so popular
Speaker 3: that like my, my, now fiance's family's going to find out.
Speaker 3: Like do we get in front of it and tell
Speaker 3: them or do we just act like it never happened. Now, Well,
Speaker 3: my one question is I want to know what you
Speaker 3: would do. But also they he took that storyline so
Speaker 3: far where he sent the photos to the podcast host.
Speaker 4: And she she looked at them.
Speaker 3: I want to know what you would do in both
Speaker 3: those situations. Okayd you ever click that link?
Speaker 4: No? No, nope, no, Well, first of all, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be engaging that much back and forth to
Speaker 4: where I'm never go Yeah, like I think I would
Speaker 4: be way too. I mean, who knows if I had
Speaker 4: communicated at that level, then maybe I would look just
Speaker 4: to like try to understand, because she seems like, yeah,
Speaker 4: really emeshed in the situation. Now, but I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that point, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: And then I think, what would you do if you
Speaker 3: were there?
Speaker 4: I just want a healthy boundary of like I don't
Speaker 4: think I should be looking at these nude pictures or
Speaker 4: whatever they are. I don't know, like the whole thing
Speaker 4: just looking back. I mean, I even think Elizabeth realizes now, like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, yeah, that was really weird.
Speaker 3: I guess when she was in it, she was just
Speaker 3: so immessionate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what I mean she was often up late
Speaker 4: at night, she was breastfeeding, like she could have been
Speaker 4: very tired. Like there's a lot of reasons why she
Speaker 4: was trying to get lost in this world world as well.
Speaker 3: And she felt needed and yeah, all that.
Speaker 4: And that can feel really good. Like she felt like
Speaker 4: she was helping Beth. Yeah, Elizabeth helped felt like she
Speaker 4: was helping Beth.
Speaker 3: Now here's the the other part of that question is
Speaker 3: if you were that fake person, would you tell your
Speaker 3: fiance's family that you have nude photos or would you
Speaker 3: just act like it never happened.
Speaker 4: I would just act like it never happens, like surely you're
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 3: Photos photos. Oh, then the fake ended up breaking up
Speaker 3: with her, and then Beth felt really bad and I
Speaker 3: had the brother.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I mean yeah, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: characters that he was having to keep up with when
Speaker 4: he was high or drunk or whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now where are you have? I I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I typically don't believe anything I see on Reddit,
Speaker 4: but I mean interesting.
Speaker 3: I think I'm open to anything being real. I just
Speaker 3: wish that there is more dialogue around the inconsistencies.
Speaker 4: You know, someone put a name on here. I'm about
Speaker 4: to google this person.
Speaker 3: Don't say we get sued.
Speaker 4: We really, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like I don't want to falsely accused.
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's on the Armchair Expert Reddit thing about it?
Speaker 3: Is this the guy from Canada?
Speaker 4: No, this is an American philosopher. Maybe does he have
Speaker 4: an adult son. He's sixty ish, so yeah, he could.
Speaker 4: I have no idea if he has kids yet. I
Speaker 4: haven't gotten that far into his Wikipedia, but I'm sure
Speaker 4: he can head on over to his personal life.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: He has an academic career literary writing.
Speaker 3: Literary writing, isn't.
Speaker 4: It Biblical interpretion influences personal life? He does?
Speaker 3: He does? He does does does that son say he has? Yes,
Speaker 3: so they give information about the son's life a little
Speaker 3: bit an addict, A little bit.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know about that far. No no, no, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm saying they share a little bit, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: But that's where I found it. It's on that Reddit page.
Speaker 4: So it's interesting. I did not know that you were
Speaker 4: like that. It's not him, Like I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: he really is making amends here and feels terrible. But
Speaker 4: you're right, some of this, the two plus two is
Speaker 4: not for here, right, And.
Speaker 3: I do think part of it could be their point
Speaker 3: to say that, like you couldn't hear his voice, to
Speaker 3: see his face, so like they got a different experience
Speaker 3: than we got.
Speaker 4: Did you pay for any of the Patreon or you
Speaker 4: waited for the free?
Speaker 3: No? Thank god, I'd be so mad if I paid.
Speaker 4: That, because that's what someone just put. I can't believe
Speaker 4: they duped me into Patreon. I feel like I got
Speaker 4: catfish by the host. Lol.
Speaker 3: Lo what literally?
Speaker 4: Someone goes, Is it possible that the entire story is fiction?
Speaker 4: Elizabeth is a writer after all.
Speaker 3: Oh that would be good if this whole thing was.
Speaker 4: Fake, because it's entertainment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we could never know that would be the ultimate,
Speaker 3: like honestly would give him an award if this whole
Speaker 3: thing was fake. Can you write things off as real
Speaker 3: that are fake?
Speaker 4: What can you what? Can you write things off that
Speaker 4: are fake that are real? Can you write I'm trying
Speaker 4: to guess what you were gonna say.
Speaker 3: If I wrote a memoir about my life and made
Speaker 3: a movie about it, but it was all made up?
Speaker 3: Can I get sued for that? Isn't that what that
Speaker 3: guy from Running with Scissors did? Or something about sprinkles
Speaker 3: sprinkles scissors? But isn't a memoir supposed to be true? Yes?
Speaker 3: But that's my point. It's like if I'm in a
Speaker 3: memoir but I just made it up. There was a
Speaker 3: guy somebody's gonna notice a million.
Speaker 4: Little pieces, yes, yeah, a little skills, a million little scissors.
Speaker 3: There with scissors that I was also similar y Yes,
Speaker 3: he got Oprah, Yes, and Oprah promoted him and then
Speaker 3: it found out that he was it was it was rebricated. Yes,
Speaker 3: So do you get sued for that or you just
Speaker 3: get like publicly.
Speaker 4: Shamed, probably shamed.
Speaker 3: I suppose, okay, because I can't be like you lie
Speaker 3: to me, and I got emotionally invested. I'm gonna sue
Speaker 3: you for emotional damages.
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, when I read green.
Speaker 3: Light, I could not get through that.
Speaker 4: Matthew mcconnoughey not. I was like, wow, he remembers so
Speaker 4: many details about his child?
Speaker 3: Why I couldn't get through it?
Speaker 4: But he did say he's an avid journaler, So think
Speaker 4: about if you were to write down in journal, which
Speaker 4: I wish that I did, because I'm like, I know
Speaker 4: I have some other good stories that I've just forgotten about,
Speaker 4: but he has so many, and I'm like, how many
Speaker 4: of these are?
Speaker 3: Just we talked about this ever came up though when
Speaker 3: it came out, because he knew the exact conversations of
Speaker 3: certain things that I'm.
Speaker 4: Just like, like, for real, Which.
Speaker 3: Is okay that you had to like improvise a little bit,
Speaker 3: But I had to stop because I didn't when it
Speaker 3: was like Greenland, I didn't like it. Maybe I'll go
Speaker 3: back one day. So my question was, can you abricate
Speaker 3: something and sell it as truth and get away with it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure people do that.
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, it's been like, why am I not doing that?
Speaker 3: I mean because you have integrity, I answered that as
Speaker 3: it was coming on my mouth. Yeah, integrity though.
Speaker 4: She does, and I think she has a lot of compassion,
Speaker 4: and I think that he tugged at her heart strings.
Speaker 4: So either he is telling the truth and she is
Speaker 4: acting as exactly as she should or supported me, or
Speaker 4: she's been completely manipulated and they got duped. Yeah, well
Speaker 4: I have to find out. When Beth's dead too comes out,
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 3: Say I've got an affinity for or how do you
Speaker 3: say that? Developed an infinity for Monica, Like I really
Speaker 3: do respect her, unlike her because I listened to her
Speaker 3: podcast SYNCD that she did and it was just about
Speaker 3: like her freezing her eggs, but you learn about like
Speaker 3: she talks about her personal life and it just is
Speaker 3: like a sweet thing that she did that. I think
Speaker 3: anybody who's going through that listen to it because you
Speaker 3: learn a lot, not just about her journey. She also
Speaker 3: interviews all these different people And now I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 3: she might have interviewed Elizabeth and and Andy Andy I'm
Speaker 3: going to call them Anders because that's a character and Andy.
Speaker 3: She might have interviewed them on Well.
Speaker 4: They started out as a parasocial relationship because she listened
Speaker 4: to their podcast.
Speaker 3: And emailed them crazy. That was cute. It was cute.
Speaker 4: I know. I was like, oh cute. Well, it's like,
Speaker 4: how did you think of us?
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.
Speaker 4: But you weren't emailing me as a parasocial. You were
Speaker 4: emailing me as an opportunity.
Speaker 3: I think that I didn't I offer just like resources.
Speaker 4: Now, you heard from your friend's mom that we were
Speaker 4: looking for therapists that specialized in eating disorders. So you shot.
Speaker 3: You decided to shoot. Shot.
Speaker 4: You weren't like, oh I'm a big fan. I listen,
Speaker 4: like I love you.
Speaker 3: It was like my friend's mom told me about it.
Speaker 4: You're like, I don't even know who you are. Quite frankly,
Speaker 4: you heard from a bird that you're looking for a therapist,
Speaker 4: and I am qualified, and guess what, I work right
Speaker 4: around the corner. Yeah, that's crazy, perfect see you mosying
Speaker 4: on over.
Speaker 1: Thinking about that.
Speaker 3: But that, yeah, that's cute.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's okat, and I began here we
Speaker 4: are speaking of emails. We got an offer a fendom.
Speaker 1: They keep coming in.
Speaker 4: I know, Cryocat's like, hello, send him my way.
Speaker 3: Wait, I got one on my Venmo too, somebody messaged
Speaker 3: me on Venmo and I have a request for how much? Well,
Speaker 3: it's just like, let me pull it up. It's like
Speaker 3: some kind of sugar daddy that's asking to connect with
Speaker 3: me or something.
Speaker 4: Does he listen to the show? Is it Fendom or
Speaker 4: just random?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It could be just a coincidence.
Speaker 4: But okay, So this is in reference to last year.
Speaker 4: We talked about financial domination on an episode, and it's
Speaker 4: this fetish of sorts. No, it is. It's just a
Speaker 4: fish where you demand reney, you demand money, and they
Speaker 4: like to give it to you. The pigs, the pigs
Speaker 4: like to pay. The pay pigs, they like to pay.
Speaker 4: I've seen say pay pigs.
Speaker 3: Get it right.
Speaker 4: The pigs like to pay, and they're called pay pigs.
Speaker 3: And then just like doms, Like if Kat.
Speaker 4: Was a pay pig and I was a Fendom, you're
Speaker 4: a Findom or a dom or whatever, I'd be like, Kat,
Speaker 4: give me fifty dollars and Cat would be like okay,
Speaker 4: because that's what she likes to do. She likes to
Speaker 4: be demanded to pay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: We keep getting this email, and we got another one.
Speaker 4: The most recent one says, hey, I reached out a
Speaker 4: couple of times on your Findom episode. Are either of
Speaker 4: you interested? Sorry if that was just a passing reference
Speaker 4: and you were not serious slash interested things. Which did
Speaker 4: we put a call out that we were No?
Speaker 3: Okay, no we didn't. We just were talking about it
Speaker 3: and then we made a reel about it that was hilarious.
Speaker 3: Have you finnda me and your boyfriend?
Speaker 4: Yeah, which he rejected to me. I wanted nothing to
Speaker 4: do with that.
Speaker 3: But I think people just heard us talking about it
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, here's an opportunity for me to
Speaker 3: be a pay pick. The Venmo request is just from
Speaker 3: sugar Daddy Earl Earl Ronald and he wants to be
Speaker 3: friends and he looks like Santa.
Speaker 4: Claus sugar Daddy Earl Earl Ronald, and I haven't confirmed it, okay, don't.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I feel like he could like fight Christmas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, can somebody find information about you?
Speaker 3: If you why are you even friends with somebody on Venmo?
Speaker 3: I don't even get that.
Speaker 4: I don't know either. I mean, I guess if there's
Speaker 4: people you're exchanging things and then you can like see
Speaker 4: you can't see the amount, but you can see what
Speaker 4: they're paying for. Like, but I can see people I
Speaker 4: know come up and I'll be like, oh, they have
Speaker 4: a cleaning lady.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I have all those people on my feed,
Speaker 3: but I'm not friends with them. I think I just
Speaker 3: like had their phone number in my phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe you're just connected to your contacts. Oh
Speaker 4: like whatever that is, I'm not sure. I got so
Speaker 4: freaked out when I first started Venmo because I didn't
Speaker 4: really understand it. This was years ago. My friend wanted
Speaker 4: me to pay on Denmo and I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know. Way, so mine's even like not even my
Speaker 4: real name, and my picture is a blanket.
Speaker 3: Oh Amy, what is it?
Speaker 4: You change it? No, it's fine.
Speaker 3: They're not to find the blanket and they're gonna know
Speaker 3: it's you.
Speaker 4: But it's not my name. There could be lots of
Speaker 4: well who cares, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I've sugar Natty Earl Earl Ronald, that's gonna find you.
Speaker 4: I have since I have since found out that Vinmo
Speaker 4: is pretty safe. So like back then I didn't know,
Speaker 4: but now it's just like it's just like a chase
Speaker 4: or a trust, it's.
Speaker 1: Like a bank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like they can't give your information away, right, Okay?
Speaker 4: And let him and hacked by Earl Earl Donald.
Speaker 3: John wanna accept it because maybe that just allows him
Speaker 3: to send me money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you're in this weird Venmo relationship.
Speaker 3: With what's gonna happen? I'm not going to I'm just
Speaker 3: like playing this out.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen is he's gonna Patrick is gonna he's
Speaker 4: gonna tell Pat me he's in a relationship with you,
Speaker 4: and he's gonna be like, check her bank acount. Patrick's
Speaker 4: gonna be like, what is all this same money? Get
Speaker 4: divorced and he's gonna be like, what have you been
Speaker 4: doing this for money? And You're gonna be like nothing,
Speaker 4: And he's like, I don't believe you, and then your
Speaker 4: marriage is over things to Donald Donald, Ronald.
Speaker 3: John, what's his name? Sugar Daddy Donald Donald Ronald, Earl
Speaker 3: Earl Donald.
Speaker 4: That sugar Daddy Earl Earl Donald Ronald is not It's
Speaker 4: probably some guy in India that sets up these accounts
Speaker 4: and then start it's these relationships and people.
Speaker 3: He looks like an American.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's a cover photo.
Speaker 3: It can't be. They're catfishing you can I if I okay, wait,
Speaker 3: oh there's writing on his picture. I just clicked it,
Speaker 3: and his name is you know how you have like
Speaker 3: at and then your redmo name. His name is at
Speaker 3: text me here and then gives his phone number and
Speaker 3: his picture says text me here, gives his phone number.
Speaker 3: I'm legit, sugar Daddy looking for a local sugar baby.
Speaker 3: Kindly text me here if you were interested to get
Speaker 3: your two thousand, six hundred dollars as your first present.
Speaker 4: Text me, okay, see this just sounds very foreign and like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is how we're going to get the American girls.
Speaker 4: Text me here's my text me two thousand.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: text you. It's over Ronald Donald anyway, sugar Daddy. Should
Speaker 3: we not? We're not going to answer the findam either,
Speaker 3: but like, how crazy that we It's it? It's never
Speaker 3: going to WHI is it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: If the podcast doesn't work out, we have a backup option,
Speaker 3: a little whisky, but it's there.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much he could fork over, but
Speaker 4: you never podcasting. I think we're good. Uh, we have
Speaker 4: another email from our friend Ari. Oh hopefully it's really Ari. Hey,
Speaker 4: Amy and Kat. First, I love your podcast. I laugh
Speaker 4: with you guys while I'm driving, like we're friends in
Speaker 4: real life, just getting seen. I don't want Beth's Dead
Speaker 4: to change our relationship with our listeners, because our listeners
Speaker 4: are not there like that. They're cool. We're cool, but
Speaker 4: pretty's cool. We have a cool A pail showed relationship. Sure,
Speaker 4: I'm listening to the podcast right now. And I had
Speaker 4: an idea for merch posters, not like middle school posters,
Speaker 4: but beautiful adult wal art with the phrase have the
Speaker 4: day you need to have. I'm a supervisor at my job,
Speaker 4: and and I have an office that people I supervise
Speaker 4: often come into to chat. And I was thinking, what
Speaker 4: if there was a sign of some sort I could
Speaker 4: hang in my office that said, have the day you
Speaker 4: need to have? You just design it to look pretty
Speaker 4: and sell it on nice paper it chips rolled up
Speaker 4: in a tube and then people can frame it just
Speaker 4: the thought. I'd buy it. Thanks for all you do
Speaker 4: and your vulnerability, your friend Ari.
Speaker 3: I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 4: And did you see our email from Camille today?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, which we need to meet about that, but
Speaker 4: she does our merch and She was like, Hey, I
Speaker 4: would love to meet in the new year to see
Speaker 4: if we can add anything to the merch line that
Speaker 4: maybe is even at a lower price point. And I
Speaker 4: feel like this could be that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have you know, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: remember this, but in my office, I have that poster
Speaker 3: that says fill your feelings. That's the vibe it's giving me,
Speaker 3: and I have it just on these like this little magnet.
Speaker 3: It was like a ten dollars little magnet thing that
Speaker 3: like hangs it like so it looks like a pendant.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, you know cute.
Speaker 3: I think this could be I know.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, that's why I pulled this
Speaker 4: email because I was like, oh my gosh, we just
Speaker 4: got that email from Camille. Now we have this email
Speaker 4: from our friend Ari, and it could be something that
Speaker 4: is that, like it's still had the day you need
Speaker 4: to have, but yeah, a different option of people don't
Speaker 4: want like a sweatshirt or a shirt, and then it
Speaker 4: definitely would be at a different price point. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love it. So thank you, Ari, thank you for
Speaker 4: your suggestion. We will pass that on to Camilo. We're
Speaker 4: going to be having a meeting with her at the
Speaker 4: end of the month. Cool, did you see that?
Speaker 3: Nope? Oh I didn't read your reply.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, this morning she said she's going out of
Speaker 4: the country but she'll be back, which her company is
Speaker 4: in be Goods, which she's got a lot of really
Speaker 4: cute stuff, a lot of vintage stuff late lately. So
Speaker 4: but she's the one that's been doing our merge and
Speaker 4: all that is that Feeling Things podcast dot com. Yes,
Speaker 4: Feeling Things podcast dot com and y'all can email us. Hey,
Speaker 4: they're at Feeling Things podcast dot com and you can
Speaker 4: call us. We love your voicemails. Twenty twenty six is
Speaker 4: the year of us connecting more over voicemails. Let's take
Speaker 4: our parasocial relationships to the.
Speaker 3: Next one, to the phone, because that is like their
Speaker 3: voice memoing us, and we're doing it back on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Yes, so hit us up eight seven seven two o
Speaker 4: seven two oh seven seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: And then if you really want to connect, then Feeling
Speaker 4: Things on Instagram or tiktook or Feeling Things dick. Is
Speaker 4: it Feeling Things podcast? I think is the handle on
Speaker 4: the TikTok on thek and the Instagram and the YouTube.
Speaker 3: Oh don't forget the YouTube.
Speaker 4: We have so many ways you can be parasocial with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah not even its signing crazy, But thank you for
Speaker 4: your email Cindy about Beth's dead. You and Kat might
Speaker 4: be more on the same page, and I think I
Speaker 4: might have to do a little more research and then
Speaker 4: I might join y'all. I'm very curious.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I feel bad.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't feel bad. I think that you intuitively probably
Speaker 4: have a better handle on this sort of stuff. Like
Speaker 4: I'm sort of like, you know me, like what I
Speaker 4: the last thing I hear I believe. I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: that happened, Oh my gosh, and then like, oh wait
Speaker 4: that happened, Oh my gosh. So that's why I've told
Speaker 4: you i'd be a horrible juror.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if there were two good, so good lawyers, like
Speaker 4: I would just be like, oh, yeah, they did it innocent.
Speaker 3: Not if you are a jur on P Diddy's case, Yeah, no, guilty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't get me started. We already a whole episode
Speaker 3: on that. I know that was before I watched the
Speaker 3: whole documentary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a mess, and I feel like my thoughts
Speaker 4: continued on that I didn't really understand at the time
Speaker 4: which kryle Oka was chiming in a little bit, but
Speaker 4: I forgot about the part like but then went back
Speaker 4: and read some stuff because you know, I multitask when
Speaker 4: I watch things, sometimes I miss details and the juror.
Speaker 4: It later came out that one of the girls, she's
Speaker 4: definitely a fan, like a huge fan.
Speaker 3: You could tell. You could tell any documentary.
Speaker 4: I'm in the documentary she wasn't really And guess what,
Speaker 4: I believed.
Speaker 3: Her now she seemed too on his side. Where the
Speaker 3: other guy, I'm like, there's no way the other juror
Speaker 3: that was on there, I was like, I believe you,
Speaker 3: like he was not. I was older and whatever, I
Speaker 3: can't I worse no speechless.
Speaker 4: Speechless, okay, and shook.
Speaker 3: Talk about shook that girl. Yeah, I was watching. It
Speaker 3: was on the treadmill and I was watching her, and honestly,
Speaker 3: she did put some pep in my step because I
Speaker 3: was like angry walking after her.
Speaker 4: When how big, Like that's what I'm saying, Like you're
Speaker 4: in tune. I think, not that my intuition is correct,
Speaker 4: or like your intuition is better than minement maybe I think,
Speaker 4: and you are a bit like, of course I want justice, right,
Speaker 4: but you are really big on yeah, like all things,
Speaker 4: and I just feel like if you feel like something's
Speaker 4: up with this, Bethstead, then there could be something up.
Speaker 3: Well. Thanks, Yeah, open to being wrong, but also open
Speaker 3: to being right.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, we hope wherever y'all are, you are having
Speaker 4: the day you need to have.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 1: Bye,