WEBVTT - Beth’s Dead: That Ending Left Us Completely Shook 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:04.720 All right, break it down. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.680 If you ever have feelings that you just won't maybe 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:13.000 and Cat got your cob and locking no brother lady's bolts. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.440 You just follow an the spirit where. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.440 It's all the front. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.479 Over real stuff to the chill stuff and the. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:20.639 M but swaying. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.760 Sometimes the best thing you can do it just. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.800 Stop you feel things. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.160 This is feeling things with Amy and Cat. Happy Tuesday. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.480 Welcome to feeling things. I'm Amy and I'm Cat, and 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.720 my feeling of the day is grateful. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.240 I think, what do you mean you think? 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.200 Okay, hear me out. Maybe I'm trying some reverse psychology 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.239 on my body, but my back is in a lot 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.480 of pain. However, I'm grateful because it could be worse, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.000 like I'm having trouble walking. But like, so you're grateful 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.560 because I'm grateful. I feel like it could be worse 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.840 and I'm gonna go see my chiropracture and I know 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.520 it will be better. So I'm grateful that I have 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:14.759 that resource. Okay, yeah, what my other way didn't make sense? 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.240 No, it makes sense, but I just. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.800 You struggled with it. There's a stretch. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.520 It just is like you don't have to be grateful 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.080 because your back hurts. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.800 I know, I get it, you know, I guess I 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.360 just don't want I don't want the vibe or the 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.240 energy to be like uh, I mean that's like a 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:35.040 physical feeling. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:35.480 It's not. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.240 And I'm like the types of feelings we like to discuss. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.480 So it's like, how how do I turn that? Because like, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.319 all I can think about is my back right now? 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.160 When did that start? 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.800 Christmas Day? Oh my gosh, so a long time ago. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.720 But it went away for a little bit. I thought 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.880 it was hormonal, and then after my cycle started, I 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.760 was like, oh, well, that makes sense, Like sometimes my 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.200 back hurts around that time, not always, but sometimes. And 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.800 then it went away, and then I rearranged some furniture 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.919 and it came back. So maybe it was hormonal around Christmas, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.600 and then maybe it was inflamed. And then it didn't 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.520 totally go down, and then I made it worse trying 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:19.040 to move furniture without sliders. But then I got smart 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.960 and I went to home Depot and I got some 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:23.880 new sliders. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.359 I'm not familiar with the sliders. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.720 You know, the things you put on your furniture to 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.360 slide it around. Wait, you don't know, you really don't know. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.120 I know what the little things are. They put on 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.320 chairs so they don't scratch up your floor. Is that 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:35.799 what you mean? 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.920 No, okay, it's cat. How do you move furniture? 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:45.960 I call my dad I lived it, or I call 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.560 somebody to help me. But or if it's a carpet 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.639 or something I slided, I guess, yeah. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.639 Well I guess I've got hard woods and drugs, so 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.280 I can't really just slide and I don't want to 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.320 scratch the floor. So my son was trying to help me, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.560 which shot out out he is strong for fifteen. I'm like, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:09.440 you go, buddy, yay. I'm like you got it. I'm 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.520 encouraging it. I'm like barely so stronging it up. But 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.880 we were really struggling with some of the pieces, and 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.079 I thought, okay, I didn't know where my sliders were 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.960 because I've had them before and I can find them. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.600 So I was like, get in the car. So I 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.639 went to home depot and I got I got upgraded sliders. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.400 Though like these sometimes you can get it with like 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.920 two different surfaces on each side, so that way they 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.440 work on carpet or wood you just have to flip depending. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.480 But I got these came with like little coats, like 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.960 a little coat that you put a little jacket, a 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.040 little fuzzy jacket that you put on the disc, and 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.840 then it really slides across hardwoods like butter. I was 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.600 moving all kinds of things after that. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.080 Those are reminding me of the little discs you have 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:54.520 You ever used those when you work out? 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.640 Yes, those are the devil. That is pretty much what 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.840 the same thing. Yes, actually we could get those, put 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.560 them on our feet and do some lungeons. I don't 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.000 want to or were like some skaters. Is that what 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.560 they're called? Yeah, I know what we're talking about. Pretty painful. Okay, well, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.640 I definitely could not do a skater, do you know. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.720 I was still doing pilates after my back was hurting, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.560 and the instructor came over and asked me if I 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.760 was okay at one point because I was really struggling, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.040 and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.640 think I don't know, just hormonal back pain. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:27.240 I don't really know. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.760 And she's like, here, here's a stick. So she gave 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.200 me this really long pole. And I've never seen anyone 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.360 in class use these. I'm pretty sure they really were 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:37.520 the elderly. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.840 No, they're not those things that they have the little 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.360 base on top of you can put your hand on. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.560 It's just a stick, oh with like a rubber so 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.760 it stays put on the hard floor. But I had 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.800 to hold the stick the entire class because like I 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.400 couldn't bend down all the way. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.800 I don't think that's for the elderly. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.719 I think it's for the elder or the pregnant. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.440 Every time I've been to. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.320 Every time, even where, to strip class. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.200 Every time I've been to a strip class, there's been 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:07.640 a pole. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.719 There's been a pole, right, yes. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.360 No, every time I've been to a ploate's class or 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.719 a lagree class, they have those things and for some moves, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.240 the teacher brings them to everybody. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:19.400 Oh, I've never done a list. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.360 You must go to really advance, because sometimes I'm like 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:23.600 living for that pole. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.560 I've never seen a poll before, and no I go 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.000 to regular, like I don't go to advance. But I've 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.000 never done La grease. So maybe that's why i feel 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.040 like I'm too scared of that. That seems too intense. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.160 Well, I think, no, you can if I can do it, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.720 you can do it, thank you. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.040 I don't have a back paint, right now, so well, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.080 so I'm grateful. Okay, well that's my feeling. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:49.760 You're grateful. I'm feeling shook and I'm feeling shook for 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.080 two reasons. I'm feeling shook because of a voice while 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.000 we got and I'm feeling shook And maybe shook is 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.479 the wrong word for the second one, but it's just 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.760 what came to me. I'm feeling shook about something. We 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.680 start listeners to listen to bethstead podcast about this crazy 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.640 thing that happened. They're all out. I listened to the 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.520 last one. I saved it for today so it'd be 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.919 fresh on my mind. Oh wow, the second to last episode, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.960 I was like so annoyed, and so I was like, 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.360 I'm done with this, so I needed a break. And 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:19.599 then I was like, I listened the last one before 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.039 because surely something what I thought was going to happen 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.000 was going to happen and it didn't. So which one 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.320 do you want to talk about first? 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.600 Well, I don't know your thoughts on Beth's Stead, so 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.640 I'm very curious about those. I do know the voicemail, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.080 So let's just go ahead and get the voicemail out 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.719 of the way, because I too, am a little shook 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:41.839 by that I'm not a little like, I'm disturbed, I'm confused, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:46.760 I'm scared, I'm worried for humanity. Yes, so this is 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.000 a voicemail that came in about why you should always 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.800 wash your underwear well and more. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.440 Well, wash your underwear new underwear. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.520 Right because Kat has admitted she doesn't wash swimsuits, underwear 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.440 sheets like Kathy, She's like, straight out of the bag, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:10.480 straight from the store, rub this all over my body. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.960 And now after you hear this voicemail that we got 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.600 from a caller who is anonymous, but not because we 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.440 you know, she's like, don't say my name. She just 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.560 like didn't say her name. So whoever sent this, like, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.760 if you're listening now, thank you for you know, changing 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.880 Cat's life because now she's gonna start washing everything. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.120 Yeah, this scared me. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:33.560 Here's the voicemail. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.000 So I used to be with Cat on the not 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.520 washing my clothes or anything after I bought them, until 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.160 I saw a video of a guy taking a pair 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.760 of panties in the store, putting the whole thing in 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.640 his mouth, sucking on it, and then setting it back 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.320 down on the shelf. And ever since then, I have 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.880 washed all my clothes, especially my underwear. Cat, please think 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.480 about creepy people out there. Hey, love you guys. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.000 Okay, she lost me when she said sucking on it, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.520 Like why was he not even mean he was sucking 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:07.920 on it? 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.920 Like he grabbed the underwear and. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.560 Put the whole thing in his mouth, And it was like. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.080 But why, like what I don't understand. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.160 Just I wonder if he like does that on the regular, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.559 if he was just trying to like pull a prank. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.840 Okay, but honestly, I'm sort of like, okay, at least 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.320 he was like, I'd rather it be that or fish 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.000 And like I thought she was going to say, he 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.079 grabbed the underwear and like stuck it down his pants. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.520 Yeah, well that's actually that is better because then it's wet, right, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.880 So like, just don't I guess it would drive ventually 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.920 tries he just stuck it down his pants, it would 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.800 never and then. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.400 Like, yeah, see, I'd rather if I had to choose, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.559 like the mouth is it's not okay, but it's better 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:52.600 than the alternative. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.720 Also, he's doing this in public where she was able 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.760 to see it. Who else saw this and did anybody 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:00.840 say something. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:01.600 See something? 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.280 Say something exactly you wouldn't because you'd be afraid of 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.120 somebody retaliate. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.719 You know, if I knew he wouldn't. He didn't know 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.920 that I was the one that said something. You would tell, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.000 ID just go tell like a clerk or. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.400 I wonder if this is somebody that worked there. Listener 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.120 Anonymous told somebody I wish. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.400 I could ask her some questions about now, like we 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.280 need more details. Where all is that you can give 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.040 us some more details about it? Did you get the underwear? 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.720 What kind of underwear was it? Where were you say something? 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.120 Were other people watching? Yeah? Because like if it's like 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.680 a full butted underwear, that's a lot. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:40.200 Of If it's like granny panties, it's like a lot. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:46.520 If it's just like a little string, Okay, Yeah, we 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:47.400 have questions. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.760 Yeah, so I'm shook. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.760 Yeah, but I'd love it's just like the little nugget 0:09:54.760 --> 0:10:03.280 that that was like such a simple voicemail that was entertaining, perplexing, educational, Yes, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:10.800 and educational and is going to likely encourage change to you, Yes, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.160 because yeah, you're now going to become a washer, you 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:15.640 know what. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.880 Patrick, I'm just thinking about this. We just went to 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.440 Target and got them some new boxers didn't wash them. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.360 They were folded into package though. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.880 Yeah, so it's unlikely that someone you can't suck it 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.720 in your mouth, right, Okay, I vow to you know what. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.760 I'm just going to go buy some new underwear today 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.520 just to prove that I can wash them before I 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.320 wear them. Stand by that. Okay, do you do that? 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:45.480 If you report back, see if you just feel anything different? Yeah, okay, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.160 So why else are you shook? I mean the voicemail shook, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.000 but I know it's in regards to Beth's dead. But 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.720 I don't know your thoughts on the final episode, which 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.400 if you didn't get the homework assignment and you didn't listen, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.000 well sorry, that's okay, and we're probably saving your time. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.840 Depending on Kat's feelings, maybe you would say, now don't listen, I. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:09.000 Would say, listen to the big first six or seven episodes. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.400 Okay that were we going to talk about what happened? Yes, okay, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.720 but also like so like don't like I obviously feel like, yes, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:18.959 it's like a waste of time. Now. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.480 Yeah. When I first started listening to it, I thought 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.080 something completely different was going on. Same, so I was 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.319 really invested in it, and I was just like, this 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.400 is so crazy, Oh my gosh, this is like such 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.600 a good idea for a podcast, like I love it. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.079 But then as the episodes went on, we'll talk about 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.679 what the actual content was, but this is my critique 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.280 of the actual podcast, which I know podcasting is hard 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.800 and I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this was 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.960 my thought about it. As it went on, it felt 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.800 more manufactured and less like because it felt at first 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.440 like it was this like organic unveiling of the story, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.840 and then it felt more manufactured and they were just 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.199 trying to like squeeze the lemon and like the story 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.000 was over, but they just I guess they needed ten 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.280 episodes because it was a ten episode series. I don't 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.640 know if I want to say my thought, my overall thought, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:10.480 because it's about the end. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.199 Okay, well then think about that, think about whether or 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.520 not you want to say your overall thought. And I'm 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.880 going to read an email that we got from our listener, Cindy. Okay, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.319 and I love that she designs the email and only Cindy, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:22.320 because what were. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.559 You calling, Cindy? What were you saying? Oh no, I 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.480 get what she's I thought that was a callback from 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.200 when you were talking about Cindy lu who or something? 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:32.880 Cindy who who or something? 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.280 No, no, no, no, she's clarifying that she is Cindy and 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.360 it's just her, she is not someone else. Because Beth's 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.560 Dead has to do with a cat fishing situation. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.040 Okay, that's actually really funny. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:43.280 It is. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:49.080 That's good Sindy, get we get you, even cat she's 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:49.679 a little slow. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:50.400 Hi. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.480 I heard about Beth's Dead from you guys, and I've 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.000 bench it in a couple of days. I'm flabbergasted and 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.480 where the hosts ended up. I cannot wait to hear 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.840 your thoughts on it. I feel like the guy is 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.839 just to master manipulator and they were absolutely duped again. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.760 He came in with the addiction angle, knowing Monica would 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.080 have compassion. Now I feel bizarre emailing podcasts like this. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.720 I swear I'm one human love the podcast and I 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.880 listen weekly. Thanks for being you, Cindy and only Cindy. Which, okay, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.199 to all of our listeners. If you listen to Beth's 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.400 Dead because of us, and then now you're second guessing 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.199 ever sending us a voicemail or an email, don't we 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:31.520 are fine having a healthy parasocial relationship with y'all. I 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.560 think that those can exist. In fact, we have those 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.120 with listeners, and then some have become like where we 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.760 know listeners, we see them out and about and it's 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.760 like or we see them at events and it's like, oh, hey, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:44.160 how are you. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:45.320 I haven't seen you in. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.560 A while, or like we end up knowing faces that 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:52.720 we dm with, but it stays healthy, it's cool, like 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.400 we're not We're not going to go anywhere crazy. But 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.720 if you haven't listened, you might be like, well, what 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.400 could you be flabberated about? And what is she talking about? 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.600 Like addiction angle and Monica having compassion. Well, so Monica 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.120 works alongside Dak Shepherd, who is in recovery, and she 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.760 mentions in the podcast that she knows a lot of 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.040 people in recovery, so who knows who well in her life. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.600 I think relapsed while she was working with him. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.440 He did, so she's walked through that as well. And 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.560 I have walked alongside people with alcoholism in the last 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.200 five years, so I feel like I have learned a 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.960 lot about that. And you can tell Monica knows the program. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.400 She even probably works her own type of program as 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.520 a loved one of someone that is an alcoholic or 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:43.000 an addict, and I highly respect her demeanor towards people 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.920 like she seems like a very caring, compassionate person. I 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.320 gathered that through the episode. I was like, okay, wow, 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.520 and I found myself being very compassionate towards the cat 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.880 Fisher and I did, I did, why are you looking 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:56.640 at me? Crazy? 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:57.200 Okay? 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.240 Okay, see, I feel like you're a few shook, but 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.120 I am like, okay, I can be convinced otherwise, but 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.520 I don't agree with Cindy, and maybe based on the 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.360 look on your face, like y'all don't think he was 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:15.120 being genuine. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.680 Okay. I'm going to preface this with I also very 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.600 I want to be careful. I have a lot of 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.800 compassion for, of course, the addiction community. I've worked in 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.800 addiction for many years. I wouldn't call myself the expert 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.400 of experts on it, but I understand it. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.080 You for sure do, and I can vouch for you 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.360 on that. But I'm wondering how much do we need 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.360 to give people that are listening to us now that 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.280 maybe haven't listened to all of the episode. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.000 I think if you haven't listened to it. You're not. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:41.440 You don't need to. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:42.760 So how do we talk about this in a way 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.200 that's going to be entertaining to them? 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.000 Well, because I'm going to explain what happened. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.560 Sweet Okay, Well, I didn't know how far back we 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.040 were going to go. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:16:02.200 I think I can explain it in a nutshell. So 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.320 basically what happened is, there's back in the beginning of podcasts, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.440 there's this podcast that listeners would just like our couch Talks, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.520 listeners would email questions and stuff and they would read 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.840 them and give advice. So what had happened was somebody 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.200 started emailing these two. It was a husband and a 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.600 wife and you can fill in any gaps that I'm missing, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.880 but started emailing. The first email was about like some 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.200 fat shaming or body shaming of somebody, and it was 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.560 a good question, I think, like good, good for thought, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.600 good for conversation, for the podcast, seemed pretty normal, kind 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:41.360 of tugged on their heartstrings. Then what ended up transpiring 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:46.160 is they started getting more emails from the same person. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.680 And I won't give up the storylines of the emails 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.880 because they're not that important. But just like on couch Talks, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:17:00.320 when like we read an email, and listeners then will 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.760 email us about that email like an update, an update. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.640 But then like even other people will be like, oh, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.159 I heard your email about Susan and I wanted to 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.760 let her know that I'm thinking of her and we've 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.680 had like those connections and I love those moments. Yes, 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.040 They're so sweet and so special. So that was happening here, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.000 and there ended up being like five people that were 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:26.320 emailing the woman of the host, and she was responding 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.400 back like right away, and they were getting very intense 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.760 and it wasn't just like emailing questions for the podcast. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.959 They were emailing personal stuff. So she gets wrapped up 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.679 in this whole thing. She becomes very enmeshed in this 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:48.119 one particular character story, Beth. And then Beth dies by suicide, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.960 I think, right, yep, So that creates a whole other 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:53.520 snowball effect. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.240 It leads to their podcast ending. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.840 Yes, yes, and like this woman is torn up by this. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.359 I thought when I heard that part, because at this point, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.639 when we're listening, we think that Beth is real and 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:07.400 she's really dead. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.960 Yes, oh yeah, I I never thought one other thing 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.919 other than what the story that they were telling us 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.920 was true. And when Beth died. This is the thought 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.360 I had. I was like, this is and I think 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.040 I told you this. This is kind of weird that 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.280 they're reading this dead person's emails as if she's a 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.960 crazy person because she's dead and we should respect her, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.120 and like, what if she didn't want that out there. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.960 Well, I that's sweet of you to think of her. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.680 I was thinking about us and our relationships and listeners 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.240 and like thinking back over emails that we've gotten over 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.000 the years, and like I started to wonder, like, Okay, 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.919 you know how you give the disclaimer at the beginning 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.760 of couch Talks and like, oh, thank god we get 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.160 a disclaimer, Like we're covered there legally, like if someone 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.920 were to like make a decision, do something, or just that, Okay, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.280 we've maintained like healthy boundaries. We don't get too wrapped 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.600 up in things. Yes, we appreciate the core respondence and 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.000 we want it, but also we can't like that was 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.480 cool of her to sit down and start responding to 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.480 every single email. But if you've ever emailed us, you 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.560 may know that your email may end up on a 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.560 couch Talks and then that's where we address it. Occasionally 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.320 we'll write back and maybe that's wrong. I haven't thought 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.440 about it because early in my career I spent time 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.760 replying to almost everybody, even hate mail that I would get, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.280 like I would spend a long time drafting like a 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.879 very thoughtful response, and then I realized I had to 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.560 soon let that go, which then sort of led to 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.400 me letting go in a lot of communication. And I'm 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:39.879 sort of like, there are some like I would love 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.080 to respond to you, but I'm like, if we're going 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.359 to talk about it on couch talks eventually, then I 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.600 may not need to email back or I might be like, hey, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:48.800 heads up, this is going to be on an upcoming 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.080 couch talks, like be on the lookout. But I don't 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.960 engage in a lot of back and forth. But it's 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.000 more of a time thing and not because I don't 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.000 care about our list. I don't want to have grow 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.600