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Speaker 2: If you ever have feelings that you just won't maybe

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Speaker 2: and Cat got your cob and locking no brother lady's bolts.

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Speaker 3: You just follow an the spirit where.

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Speaker 1: It's all the front.

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Speaker 2: Over real stuff to the chill stuff and the.

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Speaker 4: M but swaying.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the best thing you can do it just.

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Speaker 2: Stop you feel things.

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Speaker 4: This is feeling things with Amy and Cat. Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to feeling things. I'm Amy and I'm Cat, and

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Speaker 4: my feeling of the day is grateful.

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Speaker 3: I think, what do you mean you think?

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Speaker 4: Okay, hear me out. Maybe I'm trying some reverse psychology

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Speaker 4: on my body, but my back is in a lot

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Speaker 4: of pain. However, I'm grateful because it could be worse,

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Speaker 4: like I'm having trouble walking. But like, so you're grateful

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Speaker 4: because I'm grateful. I feel like it could be worse

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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go see my chiropracture and I know

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Speaker 4: it will be better. So I'm grateful that I have

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Speaker 4: that resource. Okay, yeah, what my other way didn't make sense?

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Speaker 3: No, it makes sense, but I just.

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Speaker 4: You struggled with it. There's a stretch.

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Speaker 3: It just is like you don't have to be grateful

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Speaker 4: I know, I get it, you know, I guess I

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Speaker 4: just don't want I don't want the vibe or the

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like the types of feelings we like to discuss.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, how how do I turn that? Because like,

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Speaker 4: all I can think about is my back right now?

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Speaker 3: When did that start?

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Speaker 4: Christmas Day? Oh my gosh, so a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: But it went away for a little bit. I thought

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Speaker 4: and then maybe it was inflamed. And then it didn't

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Speaker 4: You know, the things you put on your furniture to

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Speaker 3: I know what the little things are. They put on

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Speaker 4: No, okay, it's cat. How do you move furniture?

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Speaker 3: I call my dad I lived it, or I call

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Speaker 4: which shot out out he is strong for fifteen. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I definitely could not do a skater, do you know.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not those things that they have the little

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Speaker 4: It's just a stick, oh with like a rubber so

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Speaker 4: so I'm grateful. Okay, well that's my feeling.

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Speaker 3: You're grateful. I'm feeling shook and I'm feeling shook for

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know your thoughts on Beth's Stead, so

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Speaker 4: I'm very curious about those. I do know the voicemail,

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Speaker 4: So let's just go ahead and get the voicemail out

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Speaker 4: of the way, because I too, am a little shook

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Speaker 4: a voicemail that came in about why you should always

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Speaker 4: wash your underwear well and more.

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Speaker 3: Well, wash your underwear new underwear.

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Speaker 4: Right because Kat has admitted she doesn't wash swimsuits, underwear

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Speaker 4: And now after you hear this voicemail that we got

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Speaker 4: you know, she's like, don't say my name. She just

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Speaker 4: if you're listening now, thank you for you know, changing

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Speaker 4: Cat's life because now she's gonna start washing everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this scared me.

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Speaker 4: Here's the voicemail.

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Speaker 2: So I used to be with Cat on the not

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Speaker 2: washing my clothes or anything after I bought them, until

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Speaker 2: washed all my clothes, especially my underwear. Cat, please think

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Speaker 2: about creepy people out there. Hey, love you guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, she lost me when she said sucking on it,

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Speaker 3: Like why was he not even mean he was sucking

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Speaker 4: Like he grabbed the underwear and.

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Speaker 3: Put the whole thing in his mouth, And it was like.

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Speaker 4: But why, like what I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but honestly, I'm sort of like, okay, at least

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Speaker 4: he was like, I'd rather it be that or fish

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's actually that is better because then it's wet, right,

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Speaker 3: So like, just don't I guess it would drive ventually

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Speaker 4: like the mouth is it's not okay, but it's better

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Speaker 3: Also, he's doing this in public where she was able

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Speaker 4: See something?

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Speaker 3: Say something exactly you wouldn't because you'd be afraid of

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Speaker 4: You know, if I knew he wouldn't. He didn't know

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Speaker 3: I wonder if this is somebody that worked there. Listener

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Speaker 3: Anonymous told somebody I wish.

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Speaker 4: I could ask her some questions about now, like we

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Speaker 4: need more details. Where all is that you can give

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Speaker 4: us some more details about it? Did you get the underwear?

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Speaker 3: What kind of underwear was it? Where were you say something?

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Speaker 3: Were other people watching? Yeah? Because like if it's like

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Speaker 3: a full butted underwear, that's a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of If it's like granny panties, it's like a lot.

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Speaker 4: If it's just like a little string, Okay, Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm shook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'd love it's just like the little nugget

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Speaker 4: that that was like such a simple voicemail that was entertaining, perplexing, educational, Yes,

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Speaker 4: and educational and is going to likely encourage change to you, Yes,

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Speaker 4: because yeah, you're now going to become a washer, you

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Speaker 4: know what.

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Speaker 3: Patrick, I'm just thinking about this. We just went to

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Speaker 3: Target and got them some new boxers didn't wash them.

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Speaker 3: They were folded into package though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's unlikely that someone you can't suck it

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Speaker 4: in your mouth, right, Okay, I vow to you know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to go buy some new underwear today

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Speaker 3: just to prove that I can wash them before I

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Speaker 3: wear them. Stand by that. Okay, do you do that?

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Speaker 4: If you report back, see if you just feel anything different? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: So why else are you shook? I mean the voicemail shook,

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Speaker 4: And she said that, yeah, yeah, so and she also

437
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: there's a reason why she wasn't filling her husband on everything.

438
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 4: So I think you'd have been like, bab, what are

439
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 4: you doing?

440
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: So thankfully we can both see our email accounts, so

441
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: if you were doing that, unless you were deleting them,

442
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: I'd be like, hey, so we're going a little too far.

443
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 4: You did see an email that I sent the other day.

444
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: It's something I won't ever bring up on couch Talks,

445
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 4: but someone sent in an email asking about something sort

446
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 4: of private, and it's one I could have ignored. But

447
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 4: for whatever reason that day, I was feeling like, I'm

448
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: going to give this person an explanation because I don't know,

449
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 4: I feel like it and I can do it in

450
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 4: a thoughtful way. So I replied to them and gave

451
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 4: them an explanation. And you saw it.

452
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the person responded in a very healthy way too.

453
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 4: If they responded in a healthy way too, I know

454
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: it was a healthy exchange. But you were like you

455
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: were like I saw you replied to that listener, and

456
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 4: I was shocked, and I was like, yeah, you know,

457
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: she could have emailed, or I could have read the

458
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 4: email the next day and probably not had the energy

459
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 4: to respond, But for whatever reason, in that moment, I

460
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: decided to send a response, and I'm glad I did.

461
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 4: And it was Yes, it was a healthy exchange and

462
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: then poop poop, we ended it and it's all good.

463
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: But you did see that that.

464
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I had continued to correspond and there was

465
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 4: some back and forth and a little weird and crazy,

466
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: you might be like, Amy, stop, we got to pull

467
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: the plug on this. Yeah, that was an example of

468
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: like a healthy exchange of a very parasocial relationship type.

469
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: Question and that person was respectful, very Yeah. So anyway

470
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: to kind of round out this story so I can

471
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: get to my thoughts on the ending, turns out Beth

472
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: didn't die because Beth didn't exist.

473
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's so that man.

474
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one person that was like these they

475
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: know of like five to seven people. There could have

476
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: been more of them that the host was emailing all

477
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: of these people, and then they ended up doing some

478
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: investigative work of their own because they were kind of

479
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: scared when they when all this happened, and they thought

480
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: I was scared for them.

481
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was like, Wow, they must be so

482
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 4: sure about what they're about to do, because I couldn't

483
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: believe it.

484
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 3: When they confronted and they did the zoom or just like.

485
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 4: Putting the whole even at the beginning of the whole podcast,

486
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 4: when I was like, wait, I don't know where this

487
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: is going, but how they're able to talk about all

488
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: of this is crazy. And before we continue, I think

489
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: it might be cool to just define parasocial in case

490
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: and be listening doesn't know exactly what that means, because

491
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 4: I've only become familiar with it in the last couple

492
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: of years or so. It's a one sided relationship where

493
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: a person feels a strong emotional connection with the media

494
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 4: figure like a celebrity, influencer or fictional character who is

495
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: unaware of their existence, involving feelings of friendship or intimacy

496
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: despite the lack of real interaction. It was coined in

497
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties who knew.

498
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So yeah, they find out this person's not none,

499
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: these people are real. Then they are trying to figure

500
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: out who it is because they want to. I don't

501
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: know what they really wanted to do. I mean, what

502
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: can you do. You can't like sue this person like

503
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of stock. It was kind

504
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: of stalking. But they thought it was this one prominent figure,

505
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: a professor on the East Coast in religion or spirituality

506
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: or theology or something like that. And in my head,

507
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, they're basically giving this person's identity.

508
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to Google to try to I

509
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: looked on Reddit. Oh did they say it was?

510
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: I will say it was kind of overwhelming for me

511
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: to read all the Reddit comments, so I kind of

512
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: eventually stopped once I So, I don't know. I don't

513
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: think they figured out who was. I think there were

514
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: like two people they thought it was. But then I

515
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: don't know that anybody. To me, I'm like, we could

516
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: have it feels like it could have been figured out.

517
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 4: But well, they did say they changed things to make

518
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 4: sure nobody they weren't dropping clues, So I'm like, well,

519
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: when did they go when did they go edit and change? Yeah,

520
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: like did they purposefully say East coast when really it's

521
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: Middle America.

522
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: That's a good point, that's actually the West coast, you know. Yeah.

523
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: So then they end up deciding that they're going to

524
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: confront this person that they think it is. And this

525
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: is when I was like, this is going to get

526
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: so good, because it kind of went like, Okay, we

527
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: found out it's not a real person. The podcast should

528
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: be ended. But now they're dragging this podcast on there

529
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: like we're going to confront this person. Can I keep going, Okay,

530
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: why are you asking me? Because I know if there's

531
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: anything else you wanted to say before I give this away.

532
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 4: Oh no, I could combine with that. I'm actually looking

533
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: up to see and read it.

534
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: Read it.

535
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: They were speculating, I.

536
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: Will say on Reddit people are ready long they have

537
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: like a parasocial relationship with with this yes, And I

538
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: was like, I can't read all of this, it's too much.

539
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: So they decided to conront this person. They had a

540
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 3: phone number that this person had given them. They end

541
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 3: up calling the person agrees to do a interview with

542
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: them as long as they would change his voice, which

543
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: was shocking to me. I was like, there's no way

544
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: this person's going to do it. And then they end

545
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: up doing it and it's not the person they thought

546
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: it is his son. M hm. This is where they

547
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: lost me.

548
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 4: Okay, see why did they lose you? And what do

549
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 4: you think?

550
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: Because I think it was the sun?

551
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: You think you do?

552
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: I do not think it was. Then I think it

553
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: was the sun. I don't think it was. Now I

554
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: will say and the last tie, I'm just.

555
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: Gonna keep repeating you you don't think it was the sun.

556
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: I don't.

557
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: I wonder if Cindy does.

558
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: I don't.

559
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: I maybe because Cindy is flabbergested.

560
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: So I will give the credit that Monica said. Because

561
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: they changed the guy's voice, you lose some of the

562
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: intentionality and the sincereness of this guy because they had

563
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: to do voice altering. So his voice is kind of

564
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: just like kind of monotone and blah. And they were

565
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: saying like he was so sincere, he was so authentic,

566
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: he was like so apologetic and all of that. Here's

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: my thing, here's my main thing. He didn't remember like anything.

568
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: But then he would kind of remember some stuff. Yeah,

569
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 4: it was like what and That's where it got me

570
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: where I was like, well, why do you remember this

571
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: one thing but you don't remember other things?

572
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: And like, you don't remember one of the main things

573
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: was the money that he donated, so he gave them

574
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: a thousand dollars and he goes, I'm like, you remember

575
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: if you were And this is judgmental for me. My

576
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: thoughts are, if you are heavy in addiction, you probably

577
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: are spending a lot of money on stuff and hurting

578
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: for money, and a lot of times people have to

579
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: end up taking money from others, Like you don't have

580
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: like a thousand dollars just hanging out that you would

581
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: give to a podcast when you probably want to be

582
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: using it on.

583
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: Other stuff and you're living in your parents you're living

584
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: in your parents base it.

585
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: So that's what I about that.

586
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: That that part, I will say, did perplex me. I

587
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: was perplexed at a lot of the the when he

588
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: would remember stuff and when not. But I was like, well,

589
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: I guess it might depend on how drunk he was.

590
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: But then if you see his drug of a chy.

591
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying alcohol, but it could have been other things.

592
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: If he's under the influence of whatever I said, drunk

593
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: but could be drugs. So how is he able to

594
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: keep all the characters? You know, because there was multiple listeners,

595
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: emailers character he was able to keep them straight.

596
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: And his emails were like coherent.

597
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: So like maybe at the time when he's in the addiction,

598
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 4: like he remembers it all. It's sort of like you know,

599
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: you're living in a like you're little that time frame,

600
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 4: and then maybe when he comes out of that into sobriety,

601
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: could it be that he blocks some of that time.

602
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: It's very possible. But my thing is not even that,

603
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: like he wasn't an addict. I very well think this

604
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: man could be an addict and he's in recovery and

605
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: all that. I think he's covering for his dad.

606
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: But part of recovery is honesty.

607
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know all. I haven't worked

608
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: this whole thing out.

609
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: Well because I'm just thinking like that, being like living

610
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: like a how do you explain an alignment?

611
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: But how do you explain the IP addresses? So at

612
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: the way they found out who this guy was is

613
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: because they traced the IP addresses. Don't ask me to

614
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: explain an IP address.

615
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: Well, it's where you can find out where some thing

616
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: is being sent from at any given time, and he

617
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: was in Europe.

618
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: Yes, in these very specific places, and that's when these

619
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: emails were sent. And like, I don't think this.

620
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: Well, the son said sometimes he would travel with his

621
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: dad or on his own. He said that he did

622
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: he did because I too was wondering, and he did

623
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: say that, however.

624
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: What's convenient that is?

625
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: But he was acting as if he doesn't agree with

626
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: a lot of what his father says and does.

627
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: So why is he going with him to his academic Well.

628
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: You can still have a relationship with your because yeah,

629
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: if your dad's like, hey, I have to go to

630
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: Europe for this, you want to go? Maybe say no?

631
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: Maybe if he's like heavy an addiction, his dad does

632
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: want to leave him at home, maybe okay.

633
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: But but my question to you is on with this

634
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: theory which you could be totally onto something, but say

635
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: it still is the dad and the son is covering

636
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 4: for him is part of the act, Like, hey, if

637
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: you're going to cover for me and you do, it's

638
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: probably makes more sense that we have conflict in our relationship,

639
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: Like you should act as if you don't align with

640
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: me politically, religiously, and that will seem more real, yeah,

641
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: because he's like, look, I don't really and then he

642
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: really wanted to leave his dad out of it. He's like,

643
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: my dad knows nothing about this, like he didn't.

644
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Do this, which is shocking, shocking.

645
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: I need to know who this family are.

646
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: I know. I have a strong feeling that the dad

647
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: had more to lose if he was found out and

648
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: they found out who it was. So this is a

649
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 3: very convenient, like, hey, son, you cover for me, and

650
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: you know I'll pay for your anything, any Like, I'm

651
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: sure there's a trade off there. And hear me when

652
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: I say this, I'm making all this is all my speculation, yeah,

653
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: and so I don't want like I could be totally wrong,

654
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that, but it just seems a

655
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: little fishy. And what bothered me I think about the

656
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: last two episodes is they were so easily convinced by

657
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: this guy. They didn't question it at.

658
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: All, And don't you think off air though behind the

659
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: scenes they probably did.

660
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if they're like they have to be

661
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: politically correct, so they're like, oh, like he was an addict,

662
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: like he's was going through tough times. They don't want

663
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: to like sound hardher judgmental. It's part of my thought

664
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: of like why they were so easily like, Oh, he's

665
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: a good guy, we forgive him everything. This is great.

666
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad this happened. The last episode really got me

667
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: when they were like more concern which if he really

668
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: was an addict and this really was because he was

669
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: in his addiction, he was sick, then I get it.

670
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: I guess my thing is I want more of the

671
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: conversation of them questioning it, or like how did they

672
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: get there so quickly?

673
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: So I guess there's an armchair expert thing on Reddit

674
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 4: because I just googled and now I'm on some Reddit

675
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: page and there's stuff that's been redacted, so I can't

676
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: see it all, Like did you know you could redact

677
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: on Reddit?

678
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: No, he was redacting it.

679
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 4: I don't know.

680
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Maybe I do you think that's the guy's name is

681
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: right there?

682
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, but someone replied to a redacted statement.

683
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: From the reply, you can kind of guess what maybe

684
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: the statement was saying. But they're I think they're thinking

685
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: more of what you're thinking, and they're sort of feeling

686
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: crazy because they listened the last episode and they're like, wait,

687
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: what this is how y'all are responding because they said,

688
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: I don't know do you give Reddit handles?

689
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: Okay, there are anonymous handles anyway, and I think that

690
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: that's somebody wants credit for it.

691
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: Okay. So glad to find this here. As I thought

692
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: I was the one losing my mind after the Zoom

693
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: call with the Sun, I expected the team to reconvene

694
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: and have a wtf was that reaction? The OMG, I

695
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: believe him now I have closure. I guess the police,

696
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: the private investigator and everyone else was wrong. Reaction was

697
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: totally unexpected and kind of blew me away. The guy

698
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: was so vague about everything, really said nothing specific about

699
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: the podcast that would give any indication that he was

700
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: a regular listener, couldn't remember pretty big details like emailing

701
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: a question in as Natasha had to be prodded to

702
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: remember that he occasionally would take trips with his dad.

703
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: Were also, as others have mentioned, supposed to buy that

704
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: this guy is enough of an alcoholic and drug addict

705
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 4: to not remember large chunks of details about this timeframe,

706
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: but that during the midst of his addiction he was

707
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: able to keep track of the intricate plot details of

708
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: multiple fictional characters he had created, as well as right

709
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: an academic level of that you're at that was that

710
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: was crazy. Now, the whole piece about religion, and he was.

711
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 3: Like tripping on something like a hallucinogen. I can see

712
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: how he could write that. I could see because it

713
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: sounded like he's in la la land when he was

714
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: writing that. Okay, if you were drunk or just like

715
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: high off of whatever, you're not writing that. So this person,

716
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: thank you because they put how I feel into beautiful words.

717
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: I just feel like, huh, you took us on this ride,

718
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: and then this is how you're going to end it.

719
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: The Sun literally didn't know. It's like he wasn't even

720
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: prepared enough to have that interview because every time they

721
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: ask him something, he's like, I don't know, I don't remember.

722
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

723
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: Oh it says here and I forgot to think about

724
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: this as well. They said, don't forget his emails had

725
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: double spacing at the start of new sentences. Considering the

726
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: professor's age, I imagine that the Sun is a millennial

727
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: at most. I believe the last generation of people who

728
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: did that was the typewriter type spacing generation.

729
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: Well, I did that in college. But that's just because

730
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: it made your page longer. Oh well, how to be

731
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: like three pages? I would double space.

732
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think he was headed for a page

733
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: count because I know we needed that. And then another

734
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 4: person is with you too, Kat here they say, also,

735
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: how do you not remember a thousand dollars?

736
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that when he doesn't have a job or anything.

737
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: Maybe he did have a job then, but I think

738
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like disappointed, not that it was him

739
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: that like it. We went on this ride and then

740
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: we're just gonna be like, Okay, this seems right. When

741
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: everything all evidence pointed to his dad.

742
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: I am shocked. I had not looked up anything online.

743
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: I I think I was listening to it. I was

744
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: on a walk and I was thinking, oh, I need

745
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 4: to look this up when I get back, and then

746
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: I moved on with life and forgot about it. But

747
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: most people here are thinking it's still the dad. Yeah,

748
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: they're like.

749
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: You, which I will say, good on. I mean, that's

750
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: smart on the dad. If if that's.

751
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, if like my mom or dad

752
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: came to me, they would either have something that they're

753
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: blackmailing me with. Yeah, like the dad is either like hey,

754
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: here's I'll pay for this, or if you don't do this,

755
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: then I have this information about you and it's gonna

756
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 4: ruin your life.

757
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: But actually, no, because I thought about that if this

758
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: was my parents and they got themselves in this situation,

759
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: and I could take the fall. But no, because we're

760
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: never going to know who that guy is. There's no

761
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: way to find out who he is, so I could

762
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: take the fall, but the only people that would know

763
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: were Monica and the two podcast hosts. So I think

764
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: if I realized that my parents, like royally messed up

765
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: and that got themselves in this huge thing, I might

766
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: have the compassion for my parents to fall on the

767
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: sword for him. That guy's getting no consequence, like I

768
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't get a consequence for taking the blame. It's not

769
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: like people, it's not like we got to see his

770
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: face or know who he is. So he's really not

771
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: even taking the blame. It's just shifting the blame off

772
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: of the professor.

773
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know how something else that's coming up,

774
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: and what I'm reading from people is he did his

775
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: research to know how to connect with the podcast host.

776
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: Like you mentioned one of the first emails that he

777
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: wrote in about was a body image type question, right,

778
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: so he was calculated in that like likely trying to

779
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: tug on the hosts heartstrings because she had mentioned her

780
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 4: issues with her mom growing up, so he did certain

781
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 4: things to manipulate and that relationship with her right well

782
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: with Monica because she has walked through it with Dax

783
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 4: and maybe other people. If he's done his research on Monica,

784
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: he knows that one way to pull at her heart

785
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: strings and manipulate her would be to be an addict

786
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: in recovery and now have remorse. And I wanted to

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: make amends, but I didn't want to open up that wound,

788
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: like if y'all had moved on, like you know, or

789
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: how would I go about doing it? So they're saying

790
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 4: that just like he manipulated Elizabeth the podcast host, he

791
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: then did the same thing to Monica, which who knows,

792
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but it is a theory.

793
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: You bringing that up made me remember, and this is

794
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: a question I have for you, like a what would

795
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: you do situation? You know that. And for people who

796
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: didn't listen to the podcast, there was one storyline where

797
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: this person wrote in and she was engaged to this guy,

798
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: and she had posed for nude photos before she was

799
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: with this person, I think make money to get through

800
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: school or something like that. And these photos ended up

801
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: being mass distributed and I guess we're very popular, and like,

802
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: if you went to certain websites that she didn't know

803
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: that were they were going to be on, you could

804
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: see them. And so she was like, they're so popular

805
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: that like my, my, now fiance's family's going to find out.

806
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: Like do we get in front of it and tell

807
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: them or do we just act like it never happened. Now, Well,

808
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: my one question is I want to know what you

809
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: would do. But also they he took that storyline so

810
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: far where he sent the photos to the podcast host.

811
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: And she she looked at them.

812
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: I want to know what you would do in both

813
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 3: those situations. Okayd you ever click that link?

814
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: No? No, nope, no, Well, first of all, I'm not

815
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: going to be engaging that much back and forth to

816
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: where I'm never go Yeah, like I think I would

817
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 4: be way too. I mean, who knows if I had

818
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: communicated at that level, then maybe I would look just

819
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: to like try to understand, because she seems like, yeah,

820
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: really emeshed in the situation. Now, but I don't think

821
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that point, right, Okay.

822
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: And then I think, what would you do if you

823
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: were there?

824
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 4: I just want a healthy boundary of like I don't

825
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: think I should be looking at these nude pictures or

826
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: whatever they are. I don't know, like the whole thing

827
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: just looking back. I mean, I even think Elizabeth realizes now, like,

828
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, yeah, that was really weird.

829
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: I guess when she was in it, she was just

830
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: so immessionate.

831
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what I mean she was often up late

832
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: at night, she was breastfeeding, like she could have been

833
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: very tired. Like there's a lot of reasons why she

834
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: was trying to get lost in this world world as well.

835
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: And she felt needed and yeah, all that.

836
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: And that can feel really good. Like she felt like

837
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: she was helping Beth. Yeah, Elizabeth helped felt like she

838
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: was helping Beth.

839
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Now here's the the other part of that question is

840
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: if you were that fake person, would you tell your

841
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: fiance's family that you have nude photos or would you

842
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: just act like it never happened.

843
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: I would just act like it never happens, like surely you're

844
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: going to.

845
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: Photos photos. Oh, then the fake ended up breaking up

846
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: with her, and then Beth felt really bad and I

847
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: had the brother.

848
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I mean yeah, there was a lot of

849
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: characters that he was having to keep up with when

850
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: he was high or drunk or whatever.

851
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so now where are you have? I I don't know.

852
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I typically don't believe anything I see on Reddit,

853
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 4: but I mean interesting.

854
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: I think I'm open to anything being real. I just

855
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: wish that there is more dialogue around the inconsistencies.

856
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: You know, someone put a name on here. I'm about

857
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: to google this person.

858
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: Don't say we get sued.

859
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: We really, I don't know.

860
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I don't want to falsely accused.

861
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's on the Armchair Expert Reddit thing about it?

862
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: Is this the guy from Canada?

863
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: No, this is an American philosopher. Maybe does he have

864
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: an adult son. He's sixty ish, so yeah, he could.

865
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: I have no idea if he has kids yet. I

866
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 4: haven't gotten that far into his Wikipedia, but I'm sure

867
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: he can head on over to his personal life.

868
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

869
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: He has an academic career literary writing.

870
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: Literary writing, isn't.

871
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: It Biblical interpretion influences personal life? He does?

872
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: He does? He does does does that son say he has? Yes,

873
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: so they give information about the son's life a little

874
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: bit an addict, A little bit.

875
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: No, I don't know about that far. No no, no, no, no, sorry,

876
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying they share a little bit, but I don't know.

877
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: But that's where I found it. It's on that Reddit page.

878
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: So it's interesting. I did not know that you were

879
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 4: like that. It's not him, Like I was like, oh man,

880
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: he really is making amends here and feels terrible. But

881
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: you're right, some of this, the two plus two is

882
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: not for here, right, And.

883
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: I do think part of it could be their point

884
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: to say that, like you couldn't hear his voice, to

885
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: see his face, so like they got a different experience

886
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: than we got.

887
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: Did you pay for any of the Patreon or you

888
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: waited for the free?

889
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: No? Thank god, I'd be so mad if I paid.

890
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: That, because that's what someone just put. I can't believe

891
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: they duped me into Patreon. I feel like I got

892
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: catfish by the host. Lol.

893
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: Lo what literally?

894
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: Someone goes, Is it possible that the entire story is fiction?

895
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: Elizabeth is a writer after all.

896
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: Oh that would be good if this whole thing was.

897
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: Fake, because it's entertainment.

898
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we could never know that would be the ultimate,

899
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: like honestly would give him an award if this whole

900
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: thing was fake. Can you write things off as real

901
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: that are fake?

902
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: What can you what? Can you write things off that

903
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: are fake that are real? Can you write I'm trying

904
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: to guess what you were gonna say.

905
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: If I wrote a memoir about my life and made

906
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 3: a movie about it, but it was all made up?

907
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: Can I get sued for that? Isn't that what that

908
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: guy from Running with Scissors did? Or something about sprinkles

909
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: sprinkles scissors? But isn't a memoir supposed to be true? Yes?

910
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: But that's my point. It's like if I'm in a

911
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: memoir but I just made it up. There was a

912
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: guy somebody's gonna notice a million.

913
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: Little pieces, yes, yeah, a little skills, a million little scissors.

914
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: There with scissors that I was also similar y Yes,

915
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: he got Oprah, Yes, and Oprah promoted him and then

916
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: it found out that he was it was it was rebricated. Yes,

917
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: So do you get sued for that or you just

918
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: get like publicly.

919
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: Shamed, probably shamed.

920
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 3: I suppose, okay, because I can't be like you lie

921
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: to me, and I got emotionally invested. I'm gonna sue

922
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: you for emotional damages.

923
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, when I read green.

924
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: Light, I could not get through that.

925
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 4: Matthew mcconnoughey not. I was like, wow, he remembers so

926
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: many details about his child?

927
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: Why I couldn't get through it?

928
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: But he did say he's an avid journaler, So think

929
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: about if you were to write down in journal, which

930
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: I wish that I did, because I'm like, I know

931
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 4: I have some other good stories that I've just forgotten about,

932
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: but he has so many, and I'm like, how many

933
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: of these are?

934
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: Just we talked about this ever came up though when

935
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: it came out, because he knew the exact conversations of

936
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: certain things that I'm.

937
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 4: Just like, like, for real, Which.

938
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 3: Is okay that you had to like improvise a little bit,

939
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: But I had to stop because I didn't when it

940
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: was like Greenland, I didn't like it. Maybe I'll go

941
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: back one day. So my question was, can you abricate

942
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: something and sell it as truth and get away with it?

943
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure people do that.

944
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, it's been like, why am I not doing that?

945
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: I mean because you have integrity, I answered that as

946
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: it was coming on my mouth. Yeah, integrity though.

947
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: She does, and I think she has a lot of compassion,

948
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: and I think that he tugged at her heart strings.

949
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: So either he is telling the truth and she is

950
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 4: acting as exactly as she should or supported me, or

951
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: she's been completely manipulated and they got duped. Yeah, well

952
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: I have to find out. When Beth's dead too comes out,

953
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 4: I will.

954
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: Say I've got an affinity for or how do you

955
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: say that? Developed an infinity for Monica, Like I really

956
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: do respect her, unlike her because I listened to her

957
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: podcast SYNCD that she did and it was just about

958
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: like her freezing her eggs, but you learn about like

959
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: she talks about her personal life and it just is

960
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: like a sweet thing that she did that. I think

961
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: anybody who's going through that listen to it because you

962
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 3: learn a lot, not just about her journey. She also

963
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 3: interviews all these different people And now I'm thinking about it,

964
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: she might have interviewed Elizabeth and and Andy Andy I'm

965
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: going to call them Anders because that's a character and Andy.

966
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: She might have interviewed them on Well.

967
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: They started out as a parasocial relationship because she listened

968
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 4: to their podcast.

969
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 3: And emailed them crazy. That was cute. It was cute.

970
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: I know. I was like, oh cute. Well, it's like,

971
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: how did you think of us?

972
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.

973
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: But you weren't emailing me as a parasocial. You were

974
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: emailing me as an opportunity.

975
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: I think that I didn't I offer just like resources.

976
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: Now, you heard from your friend's mom that we were

977
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: looking for therapists that specialized in eating disorders. So you shot.

978
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: You decided to shoot. Shot.

979
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: You weren't like, oh I'm a big fan. I listen,

980
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: like I love you.

981
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: It was like my friend's mom told me about it.

982
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: You're like, I don't even know who you are. Quite frankly,

983
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: you heard from a bird that you're looking for a therapist,

984
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: and I am qualified, and guess what, I work right

985
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: around the corner. Yeah, that's crazy, perfect see you mosying

986
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: on over.

987
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Thinking about that.

988
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: But that, yeah, that's cute.

989
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: I did.

990
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 4: I was like, that's okat, and I began here we

991
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: are speaking of emails. We got an offer a fendom.

992
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: They keep coming in.

993
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: I know, Cryocat's like, hello, send him my way.

994
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: Wait, I got one on my Venmo too, somebody messaged

995
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: me on Venmo and I have a request for how much? Well,

996
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: it's just like, let me pull it up. It's like

997
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: some kind of sugar daddy that's asking to connect with

998
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 3: me or something.

999
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: Does he listen to the show? Is it Fendom or

1000
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 4: just random?

1001
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It could be just a coincidence.

1002
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 4: But okay, So this is in reference to last year.

1003
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 4: We talked about financial domination on an episode, and it's

1004
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 4: this fetish of sorts. No, it is. It's just a

1005
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: fish where you demand reney, you demand money, and they

1006
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 4: like to give it to you. The pigs, the pigs

1007
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: like to pay. The pay pigs, they like to pay.

1008
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: I've seen say pay pigs.

1009
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: Get it right.

1010
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: The pigs like to pay, and they're called pay pigs.

1011
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: And then just like doms, Like if Kat.

1012
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: Was a pay pig and I was a Fendom, you're

1013
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: a Findom or a dom or whatever, I'd be like, Kat,

1014
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 4: give me fifty dollars and Cat would be like okay,

1015
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: because that's what she likes to do. She likes to

1016
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: be demanded to pay.

1017
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

1018
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: We keep getting this email, and we got another one.

1019
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: The most recent one says, hey, I reached out a

1020
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: couple of times on your Findom episode. Are either of

1021
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: you interested? Sorry if that was just a passing reference

1022
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 4: and you were not serious slash interested things. Which did

1023
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: we put a call out that we were No?

1024
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: Okay, no we didn't. We just were talking about it

1025
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: and then we made a reel about it that was hilarious.

1026
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: Have you finnda me and your boyfriend?

1027
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, which he rejected to me. I wanted nothing to

1028
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 4: do with that.

1029
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: But I think people just heard us talking about it

1030
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, here's an opportunity for me to

1031
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: be a pay pick. The Venmo request is just from

1032
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: sugar Daddy Earl Earl Ronald and he wants to be

1033
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: friends and he looks like Santa.

1034
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 4: Claus sugar Daddy Earl Earl Ronald, and I haven't confirmed it, okay, don't.

1035
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: No.

1036
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: I feel like he could like fight Christmas, Happy New Year.

1037
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, can somebody find information about you?

1038
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 3: If you why are you even friends with somebody on Venmo?

1039
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: I don't even get that.

1040
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: I don't know either. I mean, I guess if there's

1041
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: people you're exchanging things and then you can like see

1042
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: you can't see the amount, but you can see what

1043
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: they're paying for. Like, but I can see people I

1044
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: know come up and I'll be like, oh, they have

1045
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 4: a cleaning lady.

1046
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: Okay, but I have all those people on my feed,

1047
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: but I'm not friends with them. I think I just

1048
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: like had their phone number in my phone.

1049
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe you're just connected to your contacts. Oh

1050
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: like whatever that is, I'm not sure. I got so

1051
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: freaked out when I first started Venmo because I didn't

1052
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 4: really understand it. This was years ago. My friend wanted

1053
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: me to pay on Denmo and I was like, I

1054
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: don't know. Way, so mine's even like not even my

1055
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: real name, and my picture is a blanket.

1056
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Oh Amy, what is it?

1057
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: You change it? No, it's fine.

1058
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: They're not to find the blanket and they're gonna know

1059
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: it's you.

1060
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: But it's not my name. There could be lots of

1061
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: well who cares, it doesn't matter.

1062
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: I've sugar Natty Earl Earl Ronald, that's gonna find you.

1063
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 4: I have since I have since found out that Vinmo

1064
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 4: is pretty safe. So like back then I didn't know,

1065
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 4: but now it's just like it's just like a chase

1066
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: or a trust, it's.

1067
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Like a bank.

1068
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like they can't give your information away, right, Okay?

1069
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: And let him and hacked by Earl Earl Donald.

1070
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: John wanna accept it because maybe that just allows him

1071
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: to send me money.

1072
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you're in this weird Venmo relationship.

1073
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: With what's gonna happen? I'm not going to I'm just

1074
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: like playing this out.

1075
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen is he's gonna Patrick is gonna he's

1076
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: gonna tell Pat me he's in a relationship with you,

1077
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 4: and he's gonna be like, check her bank acount. Patrick's

1078
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: gonna be like, what is all this same money? Get

1079
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: divorced and he's gonna be like, what have you been

1080
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 4: doing this for money? And You're gonna be like nothing,

1081
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: And he's like, I don't believe you, and then your

1082
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: marriage is over things to Donald Donald, Ronald.

1083
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: John, what's his name? Sugar Daddy Donald Donald Ronald, Earl

1084
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: Earl Donald.

1085
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: That sugar Daddy Earl Earl Donald Ronald is not It's

1086
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: probably some guy in India that sets up these accounts

1087
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 4: and then start it's these relationships and people.

1088
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: He looks like an American.

1089
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: No, No, that's a cover photo.

1090
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: It can't be. They're catfishing you can I if I okay, wait,

1091
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 3: oh there's writing on his picture. I just clicked it,

1092
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 3: and his name is you know how you have like

1093
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: at and then your redmo name. His name is at

1094
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: text me here and then gives his phone number and

1095
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: his picture says text me here, gives his phone number.

1096
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm legit, sugar Daddy looking for a local sugar baby.

1097
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 3: Kindly text me here if you were interested to get

1098
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: your two thousand, six hundred dollars as your first present.

1099
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: Text me, okay, see this just sounds very foreign and like, oh,

1100
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: this is how we're going to get the American girls.

1101
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 4: Text me here's my text me two thousand.

1102
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you. I'm not going to

1103
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: text you. It's over Ronald Donald anyway, sugar Daddy. Should

1104
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: we not? We're not going to answer the findam either,

1105
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: but like, how crazy that we It's it? It's never

1106
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 3: going to WHI is it?

1107
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: Well?

1108
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: If the podcast doesn't work out, we have a backup option,

1109
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 3: a little whisky, but it's there.

1110
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: I don't know how much he could fork over, but

1111
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 4: you never podcasting. I think we're good. Uh, we have

1112
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: another email from our friend Ari. Oh hopefully it's really Ari. Hey,

1113
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: Amy and Kat. First, I love your podcast. I laugh

1114
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: with you guys while I'm driving, like we're friends in

1115
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: real life, just getting seen. I don't want Beth's Dead

1116
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: to change our relationship with our listeners, because our listeners

1117
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 4: are not there like that. They're cool. We're cool, but

1118
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 4: pretty's cool. We have a cool A pail showed relationship. Sure,

1119
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: I'm listening to the podcast right now. And I had

1120
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: an idea for merch posters, not like middle school posters,

1121
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: but beautiful adult wal art with the phrase have the

1122
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: day you need to have. I'm a supervisor at my job,

1123
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 4: and and I have an office that people I supervise

1124
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: often come into to chat. And I was thinking, what

1125
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: if there was a sign of some sort I could

1126
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 4: hang in my office that said, have the day you

1127
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: need to have? You just design it to look pretty

1128
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 4: and sell it on nice paper it chips rolled up

1129
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: in a tube and then people can frame it just

1130
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 4: the thought. I'd buy it. Thanks for all you do

1131
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: and your vulnerability, your friend Ari.

1132
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: I think that's a great idea.

1133
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 4: And did you see our email from Camille today?

1134
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1135
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, which we need to meet about that, but

1136
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: she does our merch and She was like, Hey, I

1137
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 4: would love to meet in the new year to see

1138
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 4: if we can add anything to the merch line that

1139
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 4: maybe is even at a lower price point. And I

1140
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: feel like this could be that.

1141
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have you know, I don't know if you

1142
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: remember this, but in my office, I have that poster

1143
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: that says fill your feelings. That's the vibe it's giving me,

1144
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: and I have it just on these like this little magnet.

1145
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: It was like a ten dollars little magnet thing that

1146
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 3: like hangs it like so it looks like a pendant.

1147
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 4: Uh huh, you know cute.

1148
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: I think this could be I know.

1149
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, that's why I pulled this

1150
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 4: email because I was like, oh my gosh, we just

1151
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: got that email from Camille. Now we have this email

1152
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 4: from our friend Ari, and it could be something that

1153
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: is that, like it's still had the day you need

1154
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 4: to have, but yeah, a different option of people don't

1155
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 4: want like a sweatshirt or a shirt, and then it

1156
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 4: definitely would be at a different price point. I love it. Yeah,

1157
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 4: I love it. So thank you, Ari, thank you for

1158
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: your suggestion. We will pass that on to Camilo. We're

1159
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 4: going to be having a meeting with her at the

1160
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: end of the month. Cool, did you see that?

1161
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 3: Nope? Oh I didn't read your reply.

1162
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, this morning she said she's going out of

1163
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: the country but she'll be back, which her company is

1164
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: in be Goods, which she's got a lot of really

1165
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: cute stuff, a lot of vintage stuff late lately. So

1166
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: but she's the one that's been doing our merge and

1167
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 4: all that is that Feeling Things podcast dot com. Yes,

1168
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: Feeling Things podcast dot com and y'all can email us. Hey,

1169
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 4: they're at Feeling Things podcast dot com and you can

1170
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 4: call us. We love your voicemails. Twenty twenty six is

1171
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: the year of us connecting more over voicemails. Let's take

1172
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: our parasocial relationships to the.

1173
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 3: Next one, to the phone, because that is like their

1174
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: voice memoing us, and we're doing it back on the podcast.

1175
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: Yes, so hit us up eight seven seven two o

1176
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: seven two oh seven seven.

1177
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1178
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: Cool.

1179
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: And then if you really want to connect, then Feeling

1180
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: Things on Instagram or tiktook or Feeling Things dick. Is

1181
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: it Feeling Things podcast? I think is the handle on

1182
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: the TikTok on thek and the Instagram and the YouTube.

1183
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: Oh don't forget the YouTube.

1184
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: We have so many ways you can be parasocial with us.

1185
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah you're welcome.

1186
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah not even its signing crazy, But thank you for

1187
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: your email Cindy about Beth's dead. You and Kat might

1188
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: be more on the same page, and I think I

1189
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: might have to do a little more research and then

1190
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: I might join y'all. I'm very curious.

1191
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: Well, no, I feel bad.

1192
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: You shouldn't feel bad. I think that you intuitively probably

1193
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: have a better handle on this sort of stuff. Like

1194
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm sort of like, you know me, like what I

1195
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: the last thing I hear I believe. I'm like, oh

1196
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: that happened, Oh my gosh, and then like, oh wait

1197
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 4: that happened, Oh my gosh. So that's why I've told

1198
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 4: you i'd be a horrible juror.

1199
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1200
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, if there were two good, so good lawyers, like

1201
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: I would just be like, oh, yeah, they did it innocent.

1202
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: Not if you are a jur on P Diddy's case, Yeah, no, guilty. Yeah,

1203
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: I don't get me started. We already a whole episode

1204
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: on that. I know that was before I watched the

1205
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: whole documentary.

1206
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a mess, and I feel like my thoughts

1207
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 4: continued on that I didn't really understand at the time

1208
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 4: which kryle Oka was chiming in a little bit, but

1209
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 4: I forgot about the part like but then went back

1210
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: and read some stuff because you know, I multitask when

1211
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: I watch things, sometimes I miss details and the juror.

1212
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: It later came out that one of the girls, she's

1213
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: definitely a fan, like a huge fan.

1214
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: You could tell. You could tell any documentary.

1215
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: I'm in the documentary she wasn't really And guess what,

1216
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: I believed.

1217
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 3: Her now she seemed too on his side. Where the

1218
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: other guy, I'm like, there's no way the other juror

1219
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: that was on there, I was like, I believe you,

1220
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: like he was not. I was older and whatever, I

1221
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 3: can't I worse no speechless.

1222
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 4: Speechless, okay, and shook.

1223
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: Talk about shook that girl. Yeah, I was watching. It

1224
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: was on the treadmill and I was watching her, and honestly,

1225
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: she did put some pep in my step because I

1226
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: was like angry walking after her.

1227
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 4: When how big, Like that's what I'm saying, Like you're

1228
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: in tune. I think, not that my intuition is correct,

1229
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: or like your intuition is better than minement maybe I think,

1230
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: and you are a bit like, of course I want justice, right,

1231
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 4: but you are really big on yeah, like all things,

1232
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 4: and I just feel like if you feel like something's

1233
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: up with this, Bethstead, then there could be something up.

1234
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: Well. Thanks, Yeah, open to being wrong, but also open

1235
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: to being right.

1236
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, we hope wherever y'all are, you are having

1237
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: the day you need to have.

1238
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: Bye.

1239
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: Bye,