Speaker 1: Cool zone media.
Speaker 2: I don't know how else to describe this except as
Speaker 2: it's just funny that there's no I cannot honestly right
Speaker 2: now fathom any actual repercussions or lessons learned from what
Speaker 2: I'm about to talk about that has happened.
Speaker 1: I'm sure now a few weeks.
Speaker 2: Ago we are at this point because I actually timed
Speaker 2: it out this time. I can't believe I'm so prepared
Speaker 2: shout out Ian for like whipping us into shape in
Speaker 2: a cool zone. So we about a little over a
Speaker 2: week before former President Donald Trump is going in for
Speaker 2: his sentence hearing for his poty felonies, and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to take a second before this sentencing to give
Speaker 2: some predictions and to explain what had happened was. But
Speaker 2: I think it can be sewed up in a phrase
Speaker 2: that if you black, or if you love hip hop.
Speaker 1: You've heard this phrase before. Y arms are too short
Speaker 1: to box with god hood politics, y'all. So this week
Speaker 1: is a rare occasion.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Trump being a whole feeling, like
Speaker 2: I just intro. But before we get into that, we
Speaker 2: get to talk about it's like this, and it's like this,
Speaker 2: It's actually about the same time that we fit to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh I got it's like kids, bull. Look, it's like this.
Speaker 2: Bull looks like this, So let me get the easy
Speaker 2: stuff out first. Well it's not easy, it's just the
Speaker 2: quick stuff. Ken You're not playing around. They done already
Speaker 2: broke into they park. They like, look, we tired of
Speaker 2: this new budget planing. Y'all talking about this is ridiculous
Speaker 2: and y'all finna do this. So there is an episode
Speaker 2: on it. It could happen here. Feed about all of
Speaker 2: the Kenyan protests. I'm gonna interview when I got some
Speaker 2: homies out there, I'm gonna bring them on to the
Speaker 2: show and let him talk about it from on the
Speaker 2: ground on his perspective. But if you need to know now,
Speaker 2: you could go find that feed. It could happen here
Speaker 2: and hear about exactly what's going on down there. But listen,
Speaker 2: they not playing at all, and I stand in solidarity
Speaker 2: with them, fools. But what we hear now about is listen, Joe,
Speaker 2: it is good to see that you know that boy,
Speaker 2: you got your tail handed to you. That man whooped
Speaker 2: your ass.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for everybody who slid into
Speaker 2: the live feed we did on YouTube. I now know
Speaker 2: I need to get better streaming equipment because I literally
Speaker 2: just used what I had.
Speaker 1: I ain't live.
Speaker 2: I've done that before, but now I know I gotta
Speaker 2: get some equipment to make sure that the sound and
Speaker 2: stuff was But thank you for everybody who checked in
Speaker 2: and like kicked it with us during that.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: At some point, I am gonna do an entire episode
Speaker 2: about if Okay, if I were to have coached Joe,
Speaker 2: here's how I would have answered.
Speaker 1: Some of them questions.
Speaker 2: Listen, because what we saw was Trump, despite not speaking
Speaker 2: a single truth, not actually answering any question.
Speaker 1: He just knows that was a masterclass on riz media training.
Speaker 2: He just kept getting his bars off Biden and stumbling
Speaker 2: over his words. Can't figure out what he's trying to say.
Speaker 2: And if you was trying to save everybody from thinking
Speaker 2: you old, mission not accomplished because.
Speaker 3: Big dog.
Speaker 1: You like you gotta get your bars off, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me get let me give you
Speaker 2: an example. Let me give an example. They asked Trump
Speaker 2: about my favorite part is the black jobs, like the
Speaker 2: black jobs.
Speaker 1: They asked him about January sixth, and they asked him
Speaker 1: about the black jobs.
Speaker 2: I can't even First of all, we was like, man,
Speaker 2: what the hell is a black job?
Speaker 1: Wait? What did you mean by that? And of course
Speaker 1: black Twitter took it over and we just took it everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's the funniest thing ever. But this man over here
Speaker 1: talking about no, no, no, no no, it was that
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the childcare tax or like like
Speaker 2: paying for childcare, Like, what are you gonna do about that?
Speaker 2: This man over here talking about firing people. He was like, Joe,
Speaker 2: you ain't never fired nobody, Like, how come you've never
Speaker 2: fired nobody?
Speaker 1: That man got fired because he wasn't doing his job,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Right, So, if if if I were coaching Joe, here's
Speaker 2: how I would answer that. This is just I'm just
Speaker 2: dropping in on one scenario. Okay, it's real simple. You
Speaker 2: let Trump talk is two minutes, and then you go, well,
Speaker 2: here's how I would respond, Well, mister Tapper, he ain't
Speaker 2: answered the question. I don't even know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: But since he hasn't even answered the question, he's talking
Speaker 2: about firing, So I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Let me answer the question and then I would back
Speaker 2: up and say, you know, it's real simple. Then I
Speaker 2: talked my trash. I'll be like, look, man, childcare costs
Speaker 2: so much much in relation to how much people are making.
Speaker 2: Because we have a problem with minimum wage. What I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to do is rage minimum wage. Now, why
Speaker 2: minimum wage hasn't been raised, it's because corporations, they're not
Speaker 2: trying to pay their fair share, and we as middle
Speaker 2: class citizens, are paying way too much percentage of our
Speaker 2: of our income to taxes. Right, we make enough money,
Speaker 2: it's just the government's taken all of it. So you
Speaker 2: ain't got enough to take care of your kids so
Speaker 2: you could continue to go to work. So here's my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Rather than taxing y'all, I'm a tax these wealthy. The
Speaker 2: wealthy people don't need nobody right to watch their children.
Speaker 1: They can afford it. You you the one. You can't
Speaker 1: afford it.
Speaker 2: So I think y'all should be paying more taxes on
Speaker 2: this that relieves the tax burden from our middle class
Speaker 2: people and our businesses. Our small businesses are losing so
Speaker 2: much because they not getting a tax break that the
Speaker 2: big corporations is getting. So here's the thing, So we
Speaker 2: lower them taxes like that, that means that they could
Speaker 2: pay these people more. And I'm gonna make them pay
Speaker 2: these people more by hiring minimum wage. So now that
Speaker 2: I hire minimum wage and I lower your taxes, you
Speaker 2: can now afford healthcare, or now you can now afford childcare.
Speaker 2: And if you can't afford childcare, listen, that's the government.
Speaker 2: We got money because like the Homegirl's the kid Jackson
Speaker 2: told us in the last Terrorform episode is that your
Speaker 2: budget is a moral document. Your budget tells you what
Speaker 2: you value. And what I'm trying to say is I
Speaker 2: value our families. I value our children. So I'm not
Speaker 2: we got the money if you can't handle.
Speaker 1: It, like government cover the shortfall.
Speaker 2: There's no reason you should not be able to work
Speaker 2: because you have nobody to watch your kids, and you
Speaker 2: can't afford to go to work because you can't afford.
Speaker 1: To have somebody watch your kids. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Trump over there talking about talking
Speaker 2: about firing somebody. I ain't firing nobody because I hire
Speaker 2: good like you hire people based on their loyalty to you.
Speaker 2: That's not a criteria, like I don't need to be
Speaker 2: loyal to me you're supposed to be loyal to the mission,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be loyal to the nation. But if
Speaker 2: you just hiring people because you want to make sure
Speaker 2: they loyal to you, the yeah, you have to fire
Speaker 2: a lot of people because they realize you're not worth nothing.
Speaker 1: What is he talking about?
Speaker 2: Answer the question? So can we get missus Tapper? Can
Speaker 2: we let him answer the question again? And can you
Speaker 2: make sure he answers the question because I just gave
Speaker 2: you answer his man ain't give you no answer.
Speaker 1: That's what I would have done. I mean, it seems.
Speaker 2: Anyway I can find five of those examples the January
Speaker 2: sixth joint and I'm like, hey, bro again, sir, you
Speaker 2: have not answered the question, but let me answer it
Speaker 2: for you based on all of your interviews. That's what
Speaker 2: I would say, sir, if you haven't answered the question.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what you've said before. What
Speaker 2: you've said before is on your Twitter, on your little video,
Speaker 2: you said, please everybody go home, and that you love
Speaker 2: them and you're thankful for him. You had the power
Speaker 2: to stop it, and you didn't. You said these are
Speaker 2: beautiful patriots and that you're gonna and you're gonna pardon
Speaker 2: all of them. When you get in the thing which
Speaker 2: says to me, you have no problem with what they did.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's that's what your words are saying.
Speaker 2: And instead you talking about what now seeing them talking
Speaker 2: about like no, they asked you why, why why you
Speaker 2: can't say what they did?
Speaker 1: And then about about about his felonies and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, no, no, sir, sir, sir, sir sir.
Speaker 2: You answer, Your answer is about what everybody else did?
Speaker 2: You have not you have not talked about what you've done.
Speaker 2: You keep talking about or what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: You keep talking about this judge and this and what
Speaker 2: everybody Why why you're so worried about what everybody else does?
Speaker 2: Mister Trump? The question is about like that's so, that's
Speaker 2: what I would say now. I would say, now if
Speaker 2: it were me right, when he brings up when he
Speaker 2: brings up my son, I would be like, here's how
Speaker 2: I would answer this one.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're right.
Speaker 2: My son has gone through horrible tragedies and he made
Speaker 2: some bad decisions, just like a lot of Americans have.
Speaker 2: He turned to substance abuse. But I love him, and
Speaker 2: that's my boy. And I'm gonna stand by him through
Speaker 2: this hard time. But also he's not running for president,
Speaker 2: and he was found your and he's gonna have to serve. Look,
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to serve his time. And I would
Speaker 2: hope that every American who loves their children and when
Speaker 2: their kids fall on hard times, that they would stick
Speaker 2: by them. And that's what I'm gonna do. I'm a dad. First,
Speaker 2: I just then and it'd be done. But remember but
Speaker 2: and then also be like, but also, he's not running
Speaker 2: for president. He could be a felon. He not running
Speaker 2: for president. You are, and you won't take a responsibility
Speaker 2: for your actions my son has.
Speaker 1: They seem easy to me. Anyway, Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, casually takes headphones off, becomes a little self congratulatory.
Speaker 1: Prop. I'm very proud of you for.
Speaker 2: Staying focused and ahead and making sure that stand diligent
Speaker 2: on being ahead of the game and making sure your
Speaker 2: projects are turned in and even adding that it's like
Speaker 2: this section, man, it's just man, you're really growing your podcast.
Speaker 1: Good job, Prop. I'm glad my workday is done.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna peruse social media and see if anything
Speaker 2: new has happened since I have not checked my phone
Speaker 2: in any way because I've been working. Oh, looks like
Speaker 2: a new thing has popped up that has made this
Speaker 2: entire episode irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Now, ain't that about some got okay breaking news. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: So, it turns out the Supreme Court of the United
Speaker 2: States has decided about this immunity situation. Apparently they have
Speaker 2: decided that when performing official acts, the US president can
Speaker 2: be immune from criminal charges. So if he was acting
Speaker 2: in an official capacity, then you can't be prosecuted for
Speaker 2: your choices. M hm. So now it's up to Trump
Speaker 2: to convince them that his meddling with the election was
Speaker 2: an official act.
Speaker 1: This is gonna take some Oh okay.
Speaker 2: So, so as long as you commit a crime on
Speaker 2: the clock for the company is not a crime. But
Speaker 2: if you commit a crime off the clock is a crime.
Speaker 1: I look wow.
Speaker 2: And they're saying it's to protect the president from worried
Speaker 2: about criminal charges later.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody dig up Richard Nixon.
Speaker 2: They'd be like, hold on, hold on hold, I need
Speaker 2: a retrial, homie.
Speaker 1: W lord.
Speaker 2: This is having effects that the Stormy trialty he was
Speaker 2: supposed to get the sentencing for which is for which
Speaker 2: what we talk.
Speaker 1: About today, Hey gonna happen till September. Listen. Okay, the
Speaker 1: finesse King has struck again.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess if you won't, you could
Speaker 2: listen to the rest of this episode, which I'm still
Speaker 2: proud of. But the question has already been answered. Back
Speaker 2: to the episode is like this. Now, this is a
Speaker 2: phrase that has been I know Exhibit has said it
Speaker 2: many times.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You may only know Exhibit as Pimped My Ride Exhibit,
Speaker 2: but I know Exhibit as the Liquid Crew. I know
Speaker 2: Exhibit as part of Death Roll. I know Exhibit as
Speaker 2: one of the dopest rappers out West ever and with
Speaker 2: one of the best vocals, like his voice is perfect.
Speaker 2: He has said that a couple of times, like you
Speaker 2: can't hot box with God, which is like a wordplate.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: The point is it is a phrase that did not
Speaker 2: come from hip hop. It comes from much more than us.
Speaker 2: It comes from an earlier place than us than hip hop.
Speaker 2: And I honestly think that if you sit down and
Speaker 2: thought about it for a second, it would be pretty
Speaker 2: self explanatory.
Speaker 1: Your arms are too short to box with God. What
Speaker 1: we're saying is there are some fights that you will
Speaker 1: never win. One of those fights, to use a theological term,
Speaker 1: is sovereignty. Now, church folk, you know what sovereign means.
Speaker 1: You know, anarchists, even atheists, you know what sovereign means.
Speaker 1: It means that at the end of the day, what
Speaker 1: that fool say goes. These people sit high and above you.
Speaker 2: And so the turn of phrase that we're giving is
Speaker 2: when you are in a position to where ultimately your
Speaker 2: choices are gonna catch up with you and you can
Speaker 2: rage against the machine as much as you want. Your
Speaker 2: arms are too short to box with God. These are
Speaker 2: things that if God decided, this is his will, and
Speaker 2: this what's gonna happen. It's what's gonna happen. I don't
Speaker 2: care what you I'm just trying to explain to you
Speaker 2: the phrase, I don't care what you think you could do.
Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you got. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I mean cars you got, I don't care, I mean
Speaker 1: women you I don't care how much power. I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't care how much prestige you could have a trillion, kajillion,
Speaker 2: bazillion dollars. The way the old folks say is you
Speaker 2: can't make the sun rise. Your arms are too short
Speaker 2: to box with God. So when you see situations like
Speaker 2: this where the rich and the powerful believe that forever
Speaker 2: they can never get touched. Oh, sweetie, your arms is
Speaker 2: too short to box with God. You can't change the weather, baby,
Speaker 2: that's what the old folks try to tell.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Think Steve Jobs for crying out loud. He could do everything,
Speaker 2: change the world, except couldn't cure his own cancer. Your
Speaker 2: arms are too short to box with God, and I
Speaker 2: think Trump experienced it.
Speaker 1: Now will it matter? Will?
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll know soon as far as the immediate repercussions.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, brothers don't know what twenty twenty five looks like.
Speaker 2: Brothers don't know what twenty thirty looked like.
Speaker 1: Brother's day. I don't even know if he gonna see
Speaker 1: twenty thirty like. We don't know. All we know is
Speaker 1: if death come for everybody, and your arms is too
Speaker 1: short to box with God. Now, but let's be specific, okay.
Speaker 2: Now, us who are a little more familiar with the
Speaker 2: criminal justice system, we understand the difference between jury cases
Speaker 2: and judge cases. Right where the judge gets to find
Speaker 2: whether the defendant is guilty or innocent versus the jury
Speaker 2: finds the defendant guilty or innocent. So let's just already, like,
Speaker 2: if you ain't figured this out already, let's just go
Speaker 2: and throw out Trump's argument about like, this is Joe
Speaker 2: Biden and he picked these judges and they doing his bidding.
Speaker 1: Because this was a jury case. He could make that
Speaker 1: claim and it might not be true, but he could
Speaker 1: make that claim if this was a judge case. Was
Speaker 1: no judge case. It is a jury case.
Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong, I for one, am a
Speaker 2: part of a people group who have been on the
Speaker 2: wrong side of this system many a times, so I
Speaker 2: understand even in a jury situation, the judge can sway
Speaker 2: the jury. Don't get me wrong. Them people is not
Speaker 2: our friends. However, this was a state case that that
Speaker 2: man decided he was gonna choose to take the court
Speaker 2: because the Feds could have and they did not. You
Speaker 2: know the case the Feds picked up, the one on
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, the one on the president's son, that's the
Speaker 2: one the Feds picked up. So it's just gonna be
Speaker 2: hard you hard pressed to convince me that this was
Speaker 2: some sort of Joe Biden's thing or that that man
Speaker 2: was able to get a hold of all twelve of
Speaker 2: them jurors and tell them what to vote. Listen, in
Speaker 2: a jury case, you and your lawyers and the prosecution lawyers,
Speaker 2: y'all all agreed on who Twelvey, who these twelve people are?
Speaker 2: Now you and I notice now when you talk about
Speaker 2: a fair trial, which is an argument he's making too,
Speaker 2: he was like, there's no way in the world I
Speaker 2: could get a fair trial in New York, Nigga, you
Speaker 2: was the president and you was a television star. Where
Speaker 2: you think you was gonna get a fair trial? First
Speaker 2: of all, let me answer that question for you. The
Speaker 2: same answer that all y'all know is he don't want.
Speaker 1: A fair trial. He just want people that like him.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, that's what we all want, which is
Speaker 2: why I tell young homies, all my black and brown
Speaker 2: community people, all my people that are involved in the struggle,
Speaker 2: stop ignoring your jury duty, sentence, jury duty summonses. We
Speaker 2: need us on the jurys like so that's real. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, I'm gonna give him that one. However,
Speaker 2: the idea of a fair trial in the sense that
Speaker 2: he's trying to present to us, which is a neutral one, bro,
Speaker 2: you was the president and you was a reality of yours.
Speaker 2: That's not possible, fam y'all. And not only that, y'all
Speaker 2: agreed on these people. You can't call foul. Now this
Speaker 2: who y'all agreed on. Now it's in the hall of records.
Speaker 1: It's done. He had thirty four times over felon. Here's
Speaker 1: what we know about felons.
Speaker 2: They came on guns, they came vote, and you really
Speaker 2: be having a hard time getting a job. But you can, however, obviously,
Speaker 2: run for president. You know, you could be the president
Speaker 2: in jail. Mumia and Lennard Pelziya they run for president
Speaker 2: every year. You could be a president in jail. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you could do it, but there's no
Speaker 2: law that says you can't. You're a citizen. You over
Speaker 2: thirty five, you can run for president. You're a natural
Speaker 2: born citizen.
Speaker 1: My bad.
Speaker 2: You're a natural born citizen. You're over thirty five, you
Speaker 2: can run for president.
Speaker 1: That's it. Then it's up to the people. Now, no
Speaker 1: how you're gonna do your job in jail. But you can.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, there's a Florida law that says that
Speaker 2: if you have completed all of your time from your
Speaker 2: sentencing and now you're out, and you show a certain
Speaker 2: level of good behavior, you're now allowed to vote. That
Speaker 2: is a law, which is again one of those weird
Speaker 2: twists of fate where you can't you as the listener.
Speaker 2: Now I'm jumping from the analogy to you as the listener.
Speaker 2: This is why you can't pick the category, like I'm
Speaker 2: a progressive, I'm an anarchist.
Speaker 1: I think, I want to.
Speaker 2: Say, Margaret from Cool People did a great example of this,
Speaker 2: Like you don't start with the category and then say
Speaker 2: what does my category believe about this?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to say what is this? What do I believe?
Speaker 2: And now who out there is talking that talk? But
Speaker 2: if you start with the category, you only get stuck
Speaker 2: in quandaries like you're about to be in right now. I,
Speaker 2: for one, am very much for the idea of felons
Speaker 2: being able to be rehabilitated. They still live here. You
Speaker 2: should be able to vote. Absolutely, you paid your debt
Speaker 2: to society. I'm leaning towards the Angela Davis world of abolition. Also,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if I'm all the
Speaker 2: way off that cliff, but abolition in the sense of
Speaker 2: ending the prison system, because the prison system we have
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly affects black and brown communities, and it has no
Speaker 2: desire to rehabilitate. That's not what you're doing. You're just
Speaker 2: throwing people away. It's not like so I have no
Speaker 2: love for the jail system. Now I've said this before
Speaker 2: many times on the show. Every nigga in jail ain't
Speaker 2: Nelson Mandela, Like, you know what I'm saying, y'all not
Speaker 2: all political prisoners.
Speaker 1: Let me be real about that.
Speaker 2: But that being said, we incarcerate more of our citizens
Speaker 2: than every other country. Like there's something we doing ain't
Speaker 2: right now, the racist in your world will try to
Speaker 2: quote some statistics that say it affects black people because
Speaker 2: black people commit more crimes.
Speaker 1: Look at all the statistics.
Speaker 2: They get convicted for more felonies than any other group.
Speaker 2: Black and brown people get convicted more felonies than any
Speaker 2: other group in the country. And I'm like, listen to
Speaker 2: the word you just said, they get convicted. That don't
Speaker 2: mean they do more. That just means we get found
Speaker 2: guilty more, which has a lot to do with the
Speaker 2: ability to lawyers, That has to do with implicit bias,
Speaker 2: that has to do with infrastructure that is already designed
Speaker 2: to view black and brown men and women as more
Speaker 2: dangerous than everyone else. So if you really take apart
Speaker 2: those statistics for which the Center of Justice has already
Speaker 2: said them, statistics is wrong because they're not taken into
Speaker 2: account the amount of crimes that actually happen versus the
Speaker 2: amount of crimes that are prosecuted and convicted. We are
Speaker 2: prosecuted and convicted at a vastly larger number than everyone else.
Speaker 2: That is why that statistic says that. That don't mean
Speaker 2: that we something wrong with us. Everybody commit everybody commit crimes.
Speaker 2: Everybody commit everybody commit pretty much the same amount of crimes.
Speaker 2: It usually has to do with survival and poverty. It
Speaker 2: ain't got nothing to do and opportunity. Now the convictions
Speaker 2: is because of race. So you can't even say this.
Speaker 2: So that's why we don't want to talking about abolition,
Speaker 2: because we like y'all not even if you're not even
Speaker 2: gonna enforce the laws justly, then I can't call your
Speaker 2: system just now. I can't say that only when it's
Speaker 2: my people getting locked up. I have to say that
Speaker 2: about if I believe in abolition. I believe in abolition
Speaker 2: now that it's old Trump. I can't be like, put
Speaker 2: that man up under the jail, like no, and y'all,
Speaker 2: let's be real, at least off this case.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna know in a few days.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna do any jail time for
Speaker 2: this one. Now, the highest he could get is four
Speaker 2: years for this case this New York is four years
Speaker 2: or probation, community service, or some sort of combination of that.
Speaker 1: That's that's the heist and get.
Speaker 2: But again, we from the city, we understand the criminal
Speaker 2: justice system a little better here. First time offender, as
Speaker 2: far as felonies are concerned, your first time offender. The
Speaker 2: man is in his mid seventies. It's a white collar crime.
Speaker 2: I cannot now. Now they put they put Weinstein, they
Speaker 2: put Epstein, and they put Bill Cosby into jail. But
Speaker 2: most of the time, you that old you, that first
Speaker 2: time offender, they don't really be giving you a lot
Speaker 2: of time. Now, add the ability that Trump has to
Speaker 2: make gravity not work, it's possible that that man don't
Speaker 2: see a second of prison time in this particular case.
Speaker 1: However, he also got a rico in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Now, if he gets convicted in that rico, that's forty
Speaker 2: one charges. If he gets convicted, okay, if he has
Speaker 2: found guilty, when he goes for sentencing, the judge is
Speaker 2: going to look at this case and say, okay, I
Speaker 2: can show you leniency and not say give you jail time.
Speaker 2: And what is the first thing All y'all who've been
Speaker 2: in trouble a few times, what's the first thing the
Speaker 2: judge gonna say? I heard you? Do you have any priors?
Speaker 2: Are you already a felon? Now, in California, we have
Speaker 2: something called a three strikes law. You get three felonies,
Speaker 2: you going to jail? Like that's just it, It's mandatory. Now
Speaker 2: the three strikes law is over. This is not California.
Speaker 2: But you stand up in sentencing and that judge know
Speaker 2: you already got a felon, and you'd an already not
Speaker 2: done any time for a prior felony.
Speaker 1: They are less likely to.
Speaker 2: Show you any leniency if you standing up in their
Speaker 2: face in the courtroom like he is just as defying
Speaker 2: as he always is.
Speaker 1: With a prior. Judges be taking that personal.
Speaker 2: Now again, the caveat is Trump bends reality all the time.
Speaker 2: So let's remember that that man be bend in reality.
Speaker 2: There is no doubt in my mind that that man
Speaker 2: can't bend reality. However, the more felonies he racks up,
Speaker 2: the more convictions he racks up, and the more times
Speaker 2: he skirts jail time, the higher the chances that one
Speaker 2: of them judges is going to be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I didn't had enough. This is again, this is just
Speaker 2: our folks been in the system for a while.
Speaker 1: We just know this stuff. Now, how did we get here?
Speaker 2: Because remember, the jury was pretty quick. They were supposed
Speaker 2: to dismiss for the weekend. It was a Friday. The
Speaker 2: team was giggling and laughing and chilling. They was thinking like, yo,
Speaker 2: we're finna go get some salmon and some oysters or
Speaker 2: something and then we'll see what's happening on Monday. The
Speaker 2: jury was like no, no, no, no, no, we good. We got
Speaker 2: the answer.
Speaker 1: We just need another half hour. Just make sure, like wait, nigga,
Speaker 1: what y'all got it? Like, yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about how in the hell this case
Speaker 2: that everybody thought was the weakest case out of all
Speaker 2: of them, brought back the first actual conviction.
Speaker 3: Next, all right, we're back.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring up Kenjick and Drake again, It's just
Speaker 2: is the gift that keeps keeps on given because the
Speaker 2: comparison is perfect what you saw with Part of why
Speaker 2: Kendrick's move was so masterful was he weaved a narrative
Speaker 2: and controlled the narrative the whole time. He was prepared
Speaker 2: for every response, and he told a story from day one.
Speaker 2: You are a colonizer who needs therapy. You are a
Speaker 2: bad father that does not love yourself. And if you're
Speaker 2: gonna make me take the gloves off, you're a pedophile.
Speaker 2: You like miners, and what's prepared at every step. Clearly
Speaker 2: them songs was ready when he got quiet for a while,
Speaker 2: everybody was worried.
Speaker 1: That what that is called is proper preparation.
Speaker 2: When you control the narrative you put He put together
Speaker 2: a cohesive story for everybody to drop their thoughts into
Speaker 2: and final and finalized it with the celebration of day
Speaker 2: Night like Us, where the whole coast got brought in
Speaker 2: to it. He controlled the story, the pace. He would
Speaker 2: not let anybody move him. Drake can drop as million
Speaker 2: times as he wants you. No, I'm not moving until
Speaker 2: I'm ready to move. You will, and I remember you
Speaker 2: could go find my little tweets where I was like,
Speaker 2: Kendrick's attitude is like, you're not gonna rush me. You
Speaker 2: could say whatever you want, you won't rush me. I
Speaker 2: will talk when I'm ready to talk. He controlled the story,
Speaker 2: and Drake as good of a rapper as he as
Speaker 2: he was, it is was chasing Kendrick's narrative, was responding.
Speaker 2: He tried to create his own. It just wasn't compelling.
Speaker 2: The story he was creating was you're short, you don't
Speaker 2: make a lot of money, you beat your wife, and.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're cheating on her.
Speaker 2: But those stories were in response to what Kendrick was
Speaker 2: saying about him. It was you're you're at you're a pedophile.
Speaker 2: I never smashed Millie Brown? What what I didn't What
Speaker 2: are you talking about? You got an other baby? I
Speaker 2: didn't spash. I'm not a pedophile. Right, So you're chasing
Speaker 2: the story. Your story is not compelling, and it's not
Speaker 2: easy for us to follow your narrative. We're following Kendrick's narrative.
Speaker 2: We knew clearly he was ready because family matters to
Speaker 2: meet the grams. You were ready, and I had a
Speaker 2: response for what everything you was gonna say already.
Speaker 1: It's when you slow like when you from the you
Speaker 1: slow walk somebody.
Speaker 2: To the to the driveway. Hey, come here, homie, I
Speaker 2: just want to talk to you. And just as soon
Speaker 2: as you get to the lot drive driveway you get jumped.
Speaker 2: It starts the curve stop for you. I know, I
Speaker 2: know where you're going. I am prepared and I have
Speaker 2: an answer for everything you're saying. Because I'm controlling the story.
Speaker 2: I'm giving the listener, us, the audience, ways to follow
Speaker 2: the narrative and know what you're saying. This is what
Speaker 2: your lawyers should do. Create a cohesive narrative that the
Speaker 2: jury can follow so that it makes sense. Now, if
Speaker 2: you're the prosecution, it's really on you because again, in
Speaker 2: essential proven guilty. If you the prosecution, I have to
Speaker 2: put together. If I'm the prosecution lawyer, I have to
Speaker 2: put together a compelling story, a story that makes perfect sense,
Speaker 2: that's airtight with all of my receipts. You know where
Speaker 2: my facts be factsing and the math be math, and
Speaker 2: I have to put it together.
Speaker 1: The defense's job. You have two choices.
Speaker 2: You can put together a counter narrative that is just
Speaker 2: as cohesive, that is a whole other story where you
Speaker 2: don't even pay attention to the stuff that they talk
Speaker 2: about because what they talk about ain't true anyway, let
Speaker 2: me tell you what actually happened. These people don't know
Speaker 2: what they talking about. Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 2: Or you understand that, you really don't have to do
Speaker 2: all that. All I have to do is cause a
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt, and really only with one of y'all. If
Speaker 2: it's twelve jurors, I really only need one of you
Speaker 2: because it's got to be unanimous. If not, it's a
Speaker 2: hung jury or it's a mistrial. I don't have to
Speaker 2: convince you they're wrong. I just have to convince you
Speaker 2: that maybe they don't have it all together, maybe they're
Speaker 2: missing something, and that's something they're missing us might be
Speaker 2: reason enough to not put me in jail.
Speaker 1: So what do you do.
Speaker 2: You don't make a whole compelling story. You just poke
Speaker 2: it theirs And that's where they went wrong. That's where
Speaker 2: Drake went wrong. Besides just I can't believe you would
Speaker 2: come at Kendrick, but that's where his defense went wrong.
Speaker 2: They hung their whole defense on well, Michael Cohen is
Speaker 2: lame and trash.
Speaker 1: Well he's trash so you.
Speaker 2: Can't believe nothing. He says, you're chasing the defense's narrative.
Speaker 2: And again this strategy. Let me not like, please understand
Speaker 2: this is a normal strategy, because you really run a
Speaker 2: risk if you're the defense, if you tell this story
Speaker 2: that now needs more questions. You know, you don't want
Speaker 2: to spark their imagination, Like wait, I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: You don't want to implant problems in your own defense,
Speaker 2: So your best bet is to just poke holes in
Speaker 2: the other one rather than giving suggestions, Like that's a normal
Speaker 2: way to run your defense. It's in most cases the
Speaker 2: safest way. It's just if we could be you know,
Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterbacks, his what's going on? Like, what are
Speaker 2: you gonna believe that guy's name's Pecker? You're gonna believe
Speaker 2: David Perrick's dumb?
Speaker 1: It's dumb. I'm just what do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: you mean crushing stories for that? You know, like what
Speaker 1: if I was just embarrassed because I didn't want my
Speaker 1: family to know I was, you know, out here smashing
Speaker 1: what was just?
Speaker 2: You know, it could be that, I mean, it could
Speaker 2: be he's not saying what it is because again, I
Speaker 2: don't have to give you a full narrative. I just
Speaker 2: have to make you question the narrative that's given to you.
Speaker 1: But that's not compelling. He's like, could be.
Speaker 2: Like when you say could be, could be, not that's
Speaker 2: not compelling. That's like, all right, well what are y'all
Speaker 2: saying again? And they went started from the top. Day's
Speaker 2: like when you start a story at the beginning. The
Speaker 2: beginning is you and your bull. It's cooked up this
Speaker 2: plan with your homeboy because you owned because you owned
Speaker 2: a dog on news cycle again, perfectly named David Pecker. You,
Speaker 2: Cohen and Trump sat down and said, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: this catch a kill situation. So they explained the play.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, what that got to do? How is
Speaker 2: this a felon? They're like, no, no, no, no, no, let me
Speaker 2: land the plane. I'm telling you a story here. When
Speaker 2: Kendrick goes, when I see you in sexy red, I
Speaker 2: see two bitches. You don't like women, you want to
Speaker 2: be them. You are jealous of women, and then he
Speaker 2: starts running through watch so no, no, no, let me start
Speaker 2: at the beginning.
Speaker 1: The beginning. Y'all got to play. Y'all was running. That
Speaker 1: may not.
Speaker 2: Seem connected, but let me tell you, let me land
Speaker 2: the plane. You had this play. You done, ran this
Speaker 2: play twice that we know of, and this play was
Speaker 2: to get stories. You buy the story, use your money,
Speaker 2: you buy the story, and you make sure it don't
Speaker 2: come out, while at the same time running stories you
Speaker 2: know that are absolutely false about your opponent. Trump's like, cap,
Speaker 2: it's just campaigning. What do you mean that's cap, come one.
Speaker 2: Everybody does that, so so it's true that's what you
Speaker 2: was doing. I mean, come on, But like why, It's like,
Speaker 2: that's not a it's not a good answer. So it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so okay, well let me well, let me tell you why.
Speaker 2: Because the Access Hollywood tape came out, you was gonna
Speaker 2: lose that election. Nope, Cap, Captain America, Captain Crunch.
Speaker 1: This is whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well, he go to third play. You
Speaker 2: was running because that one came out it didn't work.
Speaker 2: You had a third play.
Speaker 1: You was running. You had to Stormy Daniel situation. She
Speaker 1: was gonna let it come out.
Speaker 2: And Pecker and them was like, we're not paying for
Speaker 2: another story. You ain't paid us back for the other two.
Speaker 2: And since you ain't paid us back for the other two.
Speaker 2: We're not moving like it on. I don't need to
Speaker 2: be a part of this shit like this on y'all, like,
Speaker 2: and that's not just Pecker, that's not just Cohen, that's
Speaker 2: all kind of other people. And then the worst part
Speaker 2: is his home girl Hope Hicks got on that mug
Speaker 2: and was like, trump you my dog. But listen, homie,
Speaker 2: they got you on this one. Cud No, nigga, that's
Speaker 2: what you was doing because you said it to me.
Speaker 2: You said, man, I'll show I'm glad this story and
Speaker 2: come out while I was campaigning. Okay, So you just
Speaker 2: told us that's okay. So that's that's what That's what
Speaker 2: it was, wasn't it ain't really I mean, it just
Speaker 2: took it. Okay, Well, then what was happening?
Speaker 1: You ain't had no story? Call and them like, look, nigga,
Speaker 1: you this was the play. We was running the play.
Speaker 1: You decided to change the rules. You we wasn't gonna pay.
Speaker 2: So if we was gonna keep the play going, cause
Speaker 2: calling like, clearly I'm involved, Like I'm shady, nigga, I
Speaker 2: work for you, like you gotta be.
Speaker 1: Shady to work for you, which again is part of
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: That the prosecution is playing, like, of course, Cohen shady,
Speaker 2: you gotta be the work for this food. So he said, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's run the play. You don't want to run the
Speaker 2: play no more? Okay, hell, I'll pay for it, just
Speaker 2: pay me back. Trump's like, oh, I don't worry about okay.
Speaker 2: Actually that's a good idea. I'll get your money. And
Speaker 2: you know what, dude, I'll just listen, don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: I'll just change the paper. I'll just call it like
Speaker 2: a legal fee. So you ain't gotta I got you, homeboy. Hey,
Speaker 2: don't nothing matter but the program.
Speaker 1: I get you. You know what I'm saying. I ap
Speaker 1: preach you. I'll get you.
Speaker 2: Back, calling like a right now, I need my money now, No, no,
Speaker 2: I need my money now.
Speaker 1: I don't play. I don't play with my money.
Speaker 2: Trumping him like he could have thought of doing that himself.
Speaker 2: They had a plan for that answer, I hope was like, uh,
Speaker 2: I know Michael Cohen that that he don't he don't
Speaker 2: if he don't do he don't play by his money,
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna choose to do that on his own.
Speaker 2: She like, that's the most self serving man I know
Speaker 2: ain't nowhere in the world he would do something for
Speaker 2: somebody else out the kindness of his art. What if,
Speaker 2: Lord if that's not a backhand compliment. But God, dog,
Speaker 2: that's what happens when you run with ruffians. This nigga
Speaker 2: want his money back.
Speaker 1: I don't. That is not the man that I know
Speaker 1: coing to be. They had an answer for it. They
Speaker 1: had they meet the grams, They ran.
Speaker 2: The whole thing and said, that's what you was doing,
Speaker 2: and it was obvious that's what you was doing. And
Speaker 2: you did that so that the election could be swayed,
Speaker 2: cause you knew if this shit came out on top
Speaker 2: of the Access Hollywood tape, if this came out right
Speaker 2: back to back, if they went back to back on you,
Speaker 2: that had been it, then you know, Hillary's emails wouldn't
Speaker 2: have mend nothing because you done went back to back
Speaker 2: on trashness. That'd have been over. That's why you did it.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, it's not you don't know why I
Speaker 2: did it. Okay, then why did you do it? I
Speaker 2: ain't want my wife to know that's why. Why did
Speaker 2: it have to be before the election. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, You ain't have no compelling story, bro,
Speaker 2: that's how you lost. So let this be a lesson
Speaker 2: to all y'all, even if you lion. Your arms is
Speaker 2: too short to box with God. If you ain't got
Speaker 2: the answer, sway, you gotta put together a compelling story.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: At some point, I don't care how much dirt you doing,
Speaker 2: It's gonna catch up to you. You gonna catch a stray,
Speaker 2: You gonna catch a bullet. Now will it stick or
Speaker 2: will it go right through it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just know a long arm of justice. It get
Speaker 2: its many, get they people.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: I don't care what you believe about taxes. In the
Speaker 2: name of Wesley Snipes, Listen to me. The taxman.
Speaker 1: He'll let you cheat on your taxes for a while
Speaker 1: until they decide they've done with you. Oh, he'll let
Speaker 1: you fall, He'll let you ignore them things. He'll let
Speaker 1: you do it. He'll wait till your old million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not five million dollars. He ain't gonna get you
Speaker 1: for that good thousand and that five thousand and ten
Speaker 1: thousand you get away with that. You may think you
Speaker 1: got away with it. Your arms is too short to
Speaker 1: box with God.
Speaker 2: My gee, they gonna catch you, and they gonna wait,
Speaker 2: and they gonna wait till the worst possible time.
Speaker 1: Uh, mister, mister, hey it is.
Speaker 2: We see for the last ten years you haven't been
Speaker 2: so we'll just get that squared away from you. You know,
Speaker 2: we need ten million dollars and uh that'sul take care
Speaker 2: of it. Oh you ain't got it, well, well well
Speaker 2: you should because that's our money that you So you've
Speaker 2: been spending our money. Oh man, the taxman undefeated. Baby,
Speaker 2: you can't fly too close to the sun. Your arms
Speaker 2: is too short to box with God. Now we'll see
Speaker 2: in one more week, we'll see how it go. And
Speaker 2: then four days after that, Joe supposed to get his
Speaker 2: official selection as the GOP's choice.
Speaker 1: A whole felon. It's amazing, literally the politics, y'all.
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