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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nola.

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Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 4: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 4: they don't want you to know. A fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 4: let us be the first to officially welcome you to Monday,

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Speaker 4: December twenty third, twenty twenty four. This is a pretty

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Speaker 4: big week for adherents of Christianity, people who celebrate Christmas.

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Speaker 4: This is also a big week for cyberg cockroach armies.

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Speaker 2: Finally, yeah, Eve, with the cockroaches.

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Speaker 5: O man, I've been waiting for their arrival as our

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Speaker 5: new cockroach overlords.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is just what we can do pretty quickly.

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Speaker 4: You can now take a single cockroach, one of the

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Speaker 4: most resilient creatures on the planet, and you can give

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Speaker 4: them a little cyborg backpack. You can do it in

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Speaker 4: a little less than two minutes. Now, way less than

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Speaker 4: two minutes. And the reason we're talking about this is

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Speaker 4: because we are not fans, but we're perhaps interested parties

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Speaker 4: in the world of global surveillance. I gotta tell you, you know,

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Speaker 4: I had someone gift me with a rumba from our

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Speaker 4: earlier conversations, and I'm not sure if I want it

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Speaker 4: out there.

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Speaker 3: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 5: You know, I've got a sort of sub rumba, kind

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Speaker 5: of bargain basement rumba and asumba, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, I think. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 5: We named him something anthropomorphis him and put giant googlely

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Speaker 5: eyes on, which will come up later. But he's not

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Speaker 5: very smart, and I kind of just stopped using him

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Speaker 5: because he kept getting stuck under this understuff.

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Speaker 4: Right, So shout out to Zoo Ahmed writing for tech Spot.

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Speaker 4: Cyborg cockroach armies can now be mass produced at a

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Speaker 4: rate of one every sixty eight seconds to the earlier point.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's a weird thing to lead with, but it's

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Speaker 4: because we have so much other stuff to get to.

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Speaker 4: We're going to learn about some uber scams. We're gonna learn,

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Speaker 4: like you said, Noel, about Google eyes, googly eyes, excuse me, alphabet.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have some talks about federal rules that

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Speaker 4: maybe we can all agree with some secret conspiratorial payments.

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Speaker 4: So much more. Right after this break and we have returned,

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Speaker 4: we're returning with two purportedly mysterious deaths which we have

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Speaker 4: all separately read about, we imagine before we went to air.

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Speaker 4: The first one concerns the tragic story a guy named

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Speaker 4: Souchir Balaji. Have we all heard of Soucher's recent events?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, unfortunately the broad strokes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, he is a former researcher for a company

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Speaker 4: called open Ai. He has passed away. The authorities say

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Speaker 4: he passed away due to suicide in November, So the

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Speaker 4: public release of this guy's death and his cause of

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Speaker 4: death didn't hit the airwaves until maybe sixteen seventeen days afterward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The stuff that is weird about this whole situation

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Speaker 2: right that are just imminent about to happen, and then

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Speaker 2: they've taken their own life, and then it's left up

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Speaker 2: to us to decide. Well, I guess you just read

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Speaker 2: that's what happened. But it feels like there's something more

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Lloyd Lee and Katie Balavic writing for

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Speaker 4: Business Insider. They're talking about the case that we're referencing.

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Speaker 4: So eight days before Sucher Bilagi is found dead. At

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Speaker 4: this point important to note he is a former open

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Speaker 4: a little more than a week before he is found dead,

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Speaker 4: his name appears in a lawsuit against open Ai. It's

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Speaker 4: The New York Times in December of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It accuses open Ai, as well as Microsoft, of cribbing notes,

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Speaker 4: And they asked on November eighteenth to add Bilagie as

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Speaker 4: a custodian in the lawsuit. So not a defendant, right

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be culpable for damages. The idea

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Speaker 4: infringement case. But every time someone in this situation, this

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Speaker 4: guy's a proper whistleblower. Every time someone in this situation

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Speaker 4: the United States? I don't know what do you guys think, conspiracy,

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Speaker 2: I would say the open AI the.

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Speaker 4: Company, yes, Sam Altman, Yes.

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Speaker 2: The company and the individuals who created it, and you

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Speaker 2: know other people like I don't know how to say

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Speaker 3: You say it.

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Speaker 2: But these people are potentially facing billions of dollars in

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Speaker 2: it's not hard to see that there would be reason

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Speaker 2: to want the lawsuit to fail. Right, And how would

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that's not saying that's what's happening here, but it

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Speaker 5: Well, It's also like, you know, with this assassination of

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Speaker 5: a single CEO doesn't change that, nor it does killing

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Speaker 4: It's the right question again, agreed. You know, if you

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Speaker 4: having a whistle blower die puts a target on you,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It raises suspicions by any measure,

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Speaker 2: Well, and I genuinely wonder if you remove the human

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Speaker 4: And what were any possible intervening variables. We know that

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Speaker 4: the human moment. This kid, he's twenty six years old,

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Speaker 4: Will this affect the case going forward? That's why it's

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Speaker 4: strange news. That's what we're keeping an eye on because

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Speaker 4: open AI is at the center of I would advance

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Speaker 4: to you guys what will be a proliferation of conspiracy

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Speaker 4: theories in the very near future. Not the only mysterious

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Speaker 4: you guys probably colocked it too. A guy named General

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Speaker 4: Igor Kirolov from the chief of Russia's Radioactive, Chemical and

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Speaker 4: Biological Defense Forces. He is very dead right now. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it. This is a particularly creepy one,

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Speaker 3: Door right, the entryway right, it's close.

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Speaker 2: But it's not that close.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's strategic, is it not. It's yeah, it

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Speaker 4: We assassinated this guy. And again it's our It's one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we even see it in pop culture. Someone close

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Speaker 3: Was talking some shit right.

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Speaker 4: A day before the general was assassinated, the Nation of

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Speaker 4: I think I can Charlie Day a little bit of this.

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Speaker 4: Let's look at the DHL, the sabotages. We'll have some

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Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists talking about that in our listener mail

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Speaker 4: segment later this week. I would also ask about the drones,

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Speaker 4: think these things are unrelated. I do have to ask you, guys,

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Speaker 4: does killing a bureaucrat matter? This is different from assassinating,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a message, clearly, right, you

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Speaker 2: It is one of those things where for me, the

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Speaker 2: far as how it changes the battlefield.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're saying, Right, is there a

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Speaker 4: tip for tat an escalation? Will a NATO general get

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Speaker 4: It's it's unclean stuff. Speaking of unclean, we can end

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Speaker 4: this part of our show. On one of two things.

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Speaker 4: The choice is yours, gentlemen, fellow conspiracy realist. Do we

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Speaker 4: They're certainly not evolving to feed from it. They're evolving

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Speaker 5: Potentially, this fungus would like soak up radiation, right.

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Speaker 5: And we're back with more strange news, and guys, I'm

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Speaker 5: The case involves a woman named Giselle Pelicot who for

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Speaker 4: both the unclean nature of these crimes, wherein I believe,

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Speaker 5: I move on to something maybe a little lighter.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly. There's a striking thing at the end of

437
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Speaker 2: a BBC News article written by Laura Gauzi.

438
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Speaker 3: Excellent piece as well.

439
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can look it up, titled new Name, No Photos.

440
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Giselle Pelicott removes all trace of her husband and if

441
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: you go all the way to the bottom of the

442
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: art article, it's part of the trial.

443
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: There.

444
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: They had one of the family members go up on

445
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: the stand who was not, you know, immediately in the family,

446
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: but was pretty closely related somebody who helped Giselle go

447
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: to you know, doctor's visits, and one of the attorneys,

448
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: the defense attorney says basically, well, how could you not

449
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: have known that this was happening? And this person says,

450
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: and this is just a crazy powerful quote quote, you're

451
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: forgetting one thing. You cannot imagine the unimaginable, which is

452
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: what this entire thing feels like to me.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I recently this is a different

454
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: type of story, but it's in this fiction. But I recently,

455
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned on the show a film that

456
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 5: came out last year and really just started getting attention

457
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 5: this year called Red Rooms. And it's a French Canadian

458
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Speaker 5: film about a trial involving a man who allegedly committed

459
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Speaker 5: horrific murders on camera. What are kind of these fabled

460
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Speaker 5: red rooms of sort of like dark web lore, you know,

461
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Speaker 5: the idea of these like snuff films. Yeah, for the Internet,

462
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Speaker 5: And I can't in my mind this is you know,

463
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Speaker 5: a sexual assault version of that.

464
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Speaker 3: There are websites that trade in this kind of material.

465
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Speaker 5: It's a chat room that's referencing that BBC article called

466
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: Without her Knowledge. I mean, this is the kind of

467
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Speaker 5: stuff that does exist. This is currency, you know, on

468
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Speaker 5: the internet, in these dark, depraved kind of corners of.

469
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Speaker 3: The Internet and the dark web and all of that.

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Speaker 5: And so I just couldn't help but think of that film,

471
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 5: because it is an excellent, excellent film, by the way,

472
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: and it's a different type of crime, but it does

473
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Speaker 5: ring similarly in my ears as far as like the

474
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Speaker 5: level of meticulousness of cataloging these videos and like potentially

475
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Speaker 5: selling them or streaming them or what have you. It's

476
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: just the just the mind kind of recoils in horror

477
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 5: at this sort of stuff. And you know, and I

478
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: think another point that the BBC and the Public Radio

479
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 5: Peace make that I think is really important here is

480
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: that the men that are on trial here seventy one

481
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 5: men in fact, many of whom are named and on trial.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fifty that are actually on trial.

483
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry if I'm getting some details not quite right,

484
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: but it's in that neighborhood. I don't think every single

485
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: one of them was found, but they're all on trial

486
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 5: for up to twenty years imprisonment. But the point is

487
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: that these are not people you would look at and

488
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: say these are monsters.

489
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Speaker 3: These are boogeymen. You know, these are pure evil.

490
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Speaker 5: These are working class French Men, and many of them

491
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: are part of this misogynist kind of culture. And there's

492
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: even you know, a historical, you know thing in French

493
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: culture that I think was only sort of overturned legally speaking,

494
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: the idea of the man being established as the head

495
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: of the household. And a lot of these people who

496
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 5: were you know pulled in and you know, put on

497
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: trial for these crimes. Their argument was that they didn't

498
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: rape her because her husband gave them permission. I mean,

499
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: come on, like, that's it's wild that someone would think

500
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: that that's an argument.

501
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's clearly it's an argument, but it is a

502
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: morally fraudulent and insidious attempt at an argument. It reminds me, Nolan,

503
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: I think many of our fellow conspiracy realists of the

504
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: related cases involving widespread sexual abuse in the in room,

505
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: the Inthroom affair in South Korea, a criminal case involving

506
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: cybersex trafficking sexually exploitative videos, often with the victims drugged,

507
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: as we're describing in this French case, across multiple demographics,

508
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: and the reason this calls to mind a relationship between

509
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 4: these same abominable things. Is how you have, like how

510
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: you've described or chosen to describe the criminals, the monsters

511
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: doing this stuff. You know, it's important to know again,

512
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: it's important to know that the monsters may move amid you.

513
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: You know, they don't always have a big sign that

514
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: says sexual assaulter on them. That's why Gavin de Becker's

515
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: The Gift of Fear is a must read book, and

516
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: it's a really important point, I think beyond just France.

517
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: It's a human experiential point.

518
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole banality of evil kind of thing. And

519
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 5: then I know this is not like some sort of

520
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 5: new point. And then we all know that monsters move

521
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: among us, and that serial killers are often described as

522
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: being Oh he was so nice, he's quiet, he kept

523
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: to himself. So this isn't some sort of like hot take.

524
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 5: But I do think that the the interesting angle on

525
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: this sort of cultural thing that is pretty strong in

526
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 5: France and other places. To your point, Ben, but I

527
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 5: see the conversation around this particular part of the world

528
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: is particularly interesting and heartbreaking. So I don't know, guys,

529
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 5: I feel kind of dumb following this up with a

530
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 5: story about a Google eye bandit in Oregon.

531
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Speaker 2: It would make us feel better maybe.

532
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Well, okay, fair enough, I'll yeah, please, Matt, please.

533
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: Before you do that, I'm gonna do a shameless plug

534
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: because we're talking about monsters coming in January. There's a

535
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: new season of Monster following Atlanta Monster, The Zodiac Killer,

536
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: d C Sniperla Monstra, Freeway, Phantom, all those, so look

537
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: for that. And it's about a very particular fellow that

538
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: walked among us and nobody expected.

539
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: Can we say the name for the people.

540
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: That no, we cannot not yet?

541
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Speaker 5: All right, you keep your secrets, Matt Frederick, you keep

542
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: your No, it's true, and all these high quality reporting

543
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 5: in those series. So yeah, I'll just really briefly, you know,

544
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 5: button that one up, and I think there is more

545
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: to discuss moving forward, but end with just a diametrically

546
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: opposing fun story out of Oregon. Public works of art

547
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 5: all throughout the city of Bend, Oregon have been being

548
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 5: defaced by a googly eye bandit. That's so I'm describing

549
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: him who was taking googly eyes of varying sizes and

550
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: putting them on these public works of art. There's some

551
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: pretty fun ones, one called big Ears. That's like a deer.

552
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: It really looks cute with those big Google eyes. There's

553
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: this like orb this kind of sphere. Let's see a

554
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 5: public sculpture that is the sort of like porous sphere

555
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: that's sitting on top of a rock.

556
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: It's got these Google eyes on.

557
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: It reminds me of the rocks from everything everywhere all

558
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: at once. So, you know, a bit of mischief seems

559
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 5: relatively harmless, but the powers that be in Bend, Oregon

560
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: are saying that this not only costs money, you know,

561
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: from the city from the taxpayers to remove, but it

562
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 5: has the potential to actually damage.

563
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: Some of these works of art.

564
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 5: Outdoor art, whether they be made of bronze or other

565
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: types of materials, are often coated with kinds of lacquer

566
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: that protect them from the elements. And when you use

567
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 5: adhesives on that, it can pull the lacquer off, and

568
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 5: that can cause areas that could be prone to rust

569
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 5: and potentially, you know, damaging the sculpture on a larger scale.

570
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of different perspectives.

571
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: Because you know, there's a Facebook post that gets referenced

572
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 5: in this piece from the ap mysterious Google eyes go

573
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 5: viral after appearing on Public Art in Oregon by Claire Rush,

574
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 5: and she cites this Facebook user saying, my daughter and

575
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: I went past the Flaming Chicken today and shared the

576
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: biggest laugh. This comes from a user with the name

577
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 5: Phoenix Rising. We love the googly eye. The town is

578
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: getting to be so stuffy. Let's have fun. This actually

579
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 5: also made it to a segment on The Late Show

580
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: with Stephen Colbert where he kind of poked fun at

581
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: this and maybe poked fun a little bit at the

582
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: city officials who are sort of poopooing the whole thing.

583
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: So let's just end with a quote or a statement

584
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: from some of these city officials, including Renee Mitchell, Ben's

585
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: communications director, and she had this to say, we really

586
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 5: encourage our community to engage with the art and have fun.

587
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: We just need to make sure that we can protect

588
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 5: it and that it doesn't get damage. There was no

589
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: intent to be heavy handed, and we certainly understand maybe

590
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: how that was taken. We own this large collection of

591
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: public art and really want to bring awareness to the

592
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 5: community that applying adhesives does harm the art. So as

593
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: stewards of the collection, we want to share that on

594
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: social media, and so far the city spent about fifteen

595
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: hundred bucks removing these googly eyes from seven of the

596
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 5: eight public sculptures that they were placed on.

597
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a shame. This is an exciting new silly

598
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: Banksy artist that is emerging. Have we thought that maybe

599
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: this is the work of the production team at last

600
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: week tonight for some episode that's gonna come out later.

601
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: You know, you said you were gonna be cool. You know,

602
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: it's it's a good theory, Matt, It's a good theory.

603
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: But let's let's close up this segment of strange news

604
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Speaker 5: from me. I hear a word from our sponsors, and

605
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: then come back with one final bit of strange news for.

606
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Speaker 2: You breaking news guys. This just came in. I didn't

607
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: even put it into the dock. Remember disease X that

608
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: we briefly mentioned.

609
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: The DRC, And again I object to the postcolonial shadow

610
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 4: of calling something disease X.

611
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: But I get it. I get it.

612
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: There was there was a mystery you brought this story.

613
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't know what you mean by that,

614
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: the postcolonial disease X. I think it was just saying

615
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: it's there. It's unknown what disease it is.

616
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 4: I feel like they call it disease X more often

617
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 4: on the African continent, especially when Western authorities are reporting

618
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: it is that's what I'm saying.

619
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I didn't know that. Well, the thing that

620
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: they are calling disease acts. There was an unknown thing

621
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: that had affected hundreds of mostly children. When we talked

622
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: about it, it was identified at least several of I

623
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: think two dozen roughly of the children to be malaria.

624
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: Well now, according to Congo's Health ministry, who declared in

625
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: a statement yesterday as we're recording this that quote, the

626
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: mystery has finally been solved. It's a case of severe

627
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: malaria in the form of a respiratory illness, which is

628
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: still sounds really scary to me. You don't want that.

629
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: You never want to get that. And it was there

630
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: were five hundred and ninety two cases when the alert

631
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: was first raised, and that was back in October, like

632
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: late October. So this is just a messed up thing,

633
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: this happening. But at least the disease has been somewhat identified,

634
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: so it can now be treated at least better than

635
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 2: it has been for the past several months. So there

636
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: you go. Oh, guys, did it? There's more stuffs coming in.

637
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: This is from This is a story about someone we

638
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: mentioned recently, Hanna Kobayashi. This is a young woman who

639
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: went missing after she flew from Maui to Los Angeles.

640
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Her family lost contact with her. She was supposed to

641
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: fly to New York City in a connecting flight. She didn't.

642
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: Then we saw that there was footage of her walking

643
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: into Mexico via the border there at San Diego. We

644
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: heard a terrible and tragic story about her father flying

645
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles searching for her, who was found appeared

646
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: to be that heat had taken his own life. Horrible stuff. Well,

647
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: as of right now, guys, she is back. She is

648
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: back in the United States. As of December fifteenth, she

649
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: has returned earned That is according to a letter that

650
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: she wrote and gave to her aunt, who then distributed

651
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: it out to media. And everything appears to be okay,

652
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: other than, of course, the tragedy that occurred with her father.

653
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: But the family is now recovering and figuring everything out.

654
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: It's one of these stories, guys, that feels like there's

655
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: way more to it, Like there's a puzzle that needs

656
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: to get solved. Still, Like what happened? Why did she

657
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: go no contact, you know.

658
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 4: A timeline at the very least.

659
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that way. But I guys, I wonder if,

660
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: like personally for me, if that's how my brain has

661
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: been primed for these kinds of things. And what happens

662
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: when a giant media spotlight gets shown on any individual life? Right?

663
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: You find too many things, is what happens.

664
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: But you're cherry picking circumstances, right, So narrative, Yeah, exactly,

665
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: So I think I feel like shining on anybody's life,

666
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: there's stuff going on that that person probably would rather

667
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: not everybody know about. So then it becomes this miss of, oh, well,

668
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: what's actually happening? We have to find out, And then

669
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: it becomes more and more and more and more, and

670
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: it snowballs into what we saw here with Hanna Kobayashi,

671
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: where the media appeared to be obsessed with it, and

672
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: I know that I was thinking about it. There were

673
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: YouTube and TikTok videos coming out all over the place

674
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: about this, speculating on every possibility of what could be happening.

675
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: We talked about some of the speculation even when we

676
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: just mentioned it. And then she comes back and here's

677
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: the quote from Hannah herself. I was unaware of everything

678
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: that was happening in the media while I was away,

679
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: and I'm still processing it.

680
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 4: All.

681
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: My focus is now on my healing, my peace, and

682
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: my creativity. I'm deeply grateful to my family and everyone

683
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: who's shown me kindness and compassion during this time. And

684
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: then basically, but also leave us alone, please. And that's

685
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: not a direct quote, but that's like a it's the feeling. Well, yeah,

686
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: and I can imagine that feeling. But I can also

687
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: imagine the families feeling of we can't get in contact

688
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: with this person that we love and we're terrified. I

689
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: can imagine the police officers who are out there searching

690
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: and you know, hunting down leads to figure out what

691
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: the heck happened. It's something that becomes a media storm

692
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: that I think is probably disruptive and destructive. All attractive,

693
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: oh very much.

694
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Speaker 4: And this is There's there's one interesting wrinkle I'd like

695
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: to share here, which is very small. I don't think

696
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 4: it matters. But Kobyashi is also also very well known

697
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 4: in the West for two things. First, the Kobyashi Maru,

698
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: the famous unwinnable scenario and Star Trek, and then second

699
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: Kobyashi has a made up name in usual suspects. We're

700
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: not going to spoil it more. But it's another investigatory

701
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: or investigative missing person's case. Just leaning on fiction a

702
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: little bit to argue the name Kobiyashi pops in certain

703
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: areas of the brain in the Western world. Right, if

704
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: the person's name had been different, would as much attention

705
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 4: have been paid? Had their socioeconomic or their demographic makeup

706
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 4: been different, would as much attention have been paid. It's

707
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Speaker 4: a troubling question.

708
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: It is. It appears that it was the family's tenacity

709
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: that got the media attention rolling. They didn't. They didn't

710
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: stop raising their hand and saying, hey, we need help,

711
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: Hey we need help. Something is wrong. We don't know

712
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: what's happening.

713
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 4: We need help, reaching out to the law, reaching out

714
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: to media, perhaps even more importantly, to push the law

715
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: to do more arguably than they might in other similar instances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is weird because this, Eh God, I

717
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: don't even want to say it out loud. I had

718
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: the thought that this is a viable way to make

719
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: yourself extremely famous, and then let it calm down, And

720
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: especially if you're an aspiring artist or someone who is

721
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: going to use their talents to make money in the future. Now,

722
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: everybody knows your name, and if you you are putting

723
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: let's say you've put together some art and you want

724
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: to do an art show, you put your name to

725
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: you know, somebody who has a gallery and they're like, oh,

726
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: I know that is Yeah, we're doing an art show.

727
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: Quite possibly.

728
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

729
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: Other people come in and go, oh, I can get

730
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: a I can get a an h. Kobayashi and you like,

731
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't look. And that's I'm not saying that's what

732
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Speaker 2: she did. I'm just saying this is a troubling way,

733
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: a potential way to get that kind of attention.

734
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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, my palm Matt here is not ascribing motive.

735
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: We are gaming through what, to your point, Matt, is

736
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: quite viable strategy, Uh, one that historically has occurred in

737
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 4: the past. Just saying and this is again, in no

738
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: way at any point are we alleging that conspiracy. I

739
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: feel like what you're saying.

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00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: No, I am not alleging that conspiracy. Matt Frederick is

741
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: not saying that. Matt Frederick is exploring ideas. But hey,

742
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: we just wanted to put out there because it did

743
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: seem like a possibility. Uh, not in this case, but

744
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: in maybe the future, because I couldn't find any specific

745
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: instances of that occurring in the past, where like somebody

746
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: disappeared on purpose for fame and eventual fortune or something

747
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: like that. Moving on, guys, there is an exciting new

748
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: federal regulation that we just have to talk about federal regulations.

749
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: There's really I don't know that if there's a positive thing,

750
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: they have the potential to be very helpful, especially for

751
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 2: human beings that do things like consume products or use

752
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: services like oh, I don't know, healthcare, or go to

753
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: concerts or get a hotel room. So in this case,

754
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: we're talking about us, the folks who buy things and

755
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: do things well. On Tuesday, December sixteenth, the FTC, the

756
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: Federal Trade Commission, has finalized a rule that will ban

757
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: quote junk fees for live events, hotels, and vacation rentals.

758
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: I believe we've mentioned this before that there was talk

759
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: of this occurring. It is now finalized. You can go

760
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: to ABC News and read the writing of Elizabeth Schulez.

761
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: The title of the article is new federal rule bands

762
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: junk fees on hotels, live event tickets, and the new

763
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: regulation that comes forward or will see the effects of

764
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: it in April, basically makes companies put the full price

765
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: up front, so you won't get a resort fee hidden

766
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 2: in your whatever it is air not an AIRBNBA would

767
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: be a probably hotel in a city somewhere, or you

768
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: won't get at the end of your live event ticket

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00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 2: purchasing a little thing that says, here's an extra five

770
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Speaker 2: dollars that has to go on there for stuff.

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00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: Convenience, yeah, service, stuff like that.

772
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 2: But you're it doesn't mean you're going to be saving

773
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: any money. Those prices now will just be worked into

774
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: the official sticker price that you see when you click

775
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 2: on the first link basically to buy that ticket. Who

776
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: knows if it's actually gonna help anybody out, but it's nice,

777
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: an it's a nice form of bringing a little more

778
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: transparency to some of those transactions that we do online.

779
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: That's super cool too, because you know what this could be, Matt.

780
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: This could signal a precedent for one of the most

781
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: confusing things about physical stores here in these United States.

782
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 4: One of the things that constantly bedevils by otherwise incredibly

783
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: intelligent contacts when they go to the US is They

784
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: always ask me, why is the price on the shelf

785
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: not the price that I pay? And I have to say, well, yeah,

786
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: you know, they bring up some state taxes. Then, you know,

787
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: depending your mileage may vary geographically, there might be some

788
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: local taxes, there might be some tourist stuff, you know.

789
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: And then the question, which is a very good question,

790
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: is why don't you just tell me how much it is?

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00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

792
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: Like what? Why not?

793
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 4: Why you're not paying any more for the sticker with

794
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: the price tag on it?

795
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

796
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: Just do the right price at the top, dude.

797
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: Like so many things in this world that we encounter,

798
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: it's a form of weaponized psychology because when you see

799
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: it and it looks nice and affordable, you go, oh,

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00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: this is good.

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00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 4: Twelve ninety nine. That's not fifteen dollars exactly.

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00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yay.

803
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't honestly, guys, I don't know

804
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: how helpful this this new thing is going to be.

805
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: But I did want to give a very special and

806
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing this on purpose. Shout out to current FTC

807
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: chair Lena Kahan, who, throughout her tenure there has really

808
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: been pushing for quote, a new era of antitrust regulation

809
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: challenging the business models of major corporations in industries ranging

810
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: from big tech to pharmaceuticals. CON agreed, dude, Con uh,

811
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: we we dig all of that stuff. But CON is

812
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: going to get replaced as soon as the nude administration

813
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: comes in.

814
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 4: So if you're hearing us, Con, go fricking nuts right now.

815
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 4: All the all the stuff, all the stuff. Push it through,

816
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 4: Push it through. Don't save anything for the swim back.

817
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: Hear me before they cut off the mic.

818
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh man, there's a there's there's a piece at the

819
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: end of this ABC News article that it's a quote

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00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: from Con. And you know people have been asking you, well,

821
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're basically a lame duck FTC chair

822
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: now because you're about to be out the door, like

823
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And she's like, oh, I'm using

824
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: every second I got in here. I was just like,

825
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: it's just awesome, guys. I'm right at the end here,

826
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna say one more thing, one more

827
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: note that I think is worth our time. This is

828
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Speaker 2: on you, though, ye who hear this, check this out

829
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: on your own time if you can. BBC published an

830
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: article by Andy Verity title is Jaguar land Rover electric

831
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: car whistleblower sacked. This is a huge story that we

832
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: all need to be aware of. It is very important.

833
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: It has to do with if it's similar to the

834
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: Boeing story, has to do with a whistleblower coming forward

835
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: within the companies that manufacture electric vehicles. It's for several companies,

836
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: but they mentioned Jaguar land Rover, and I always say

837
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: Jaguar because of those commercials Bagulina Jaguar.

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00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: Fancy. I always want to one just for the hood ornament,

839
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, yes.

840
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: But there are several other companies involved here, including a

841
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: Vietnamese car maker named vin Fast vin Fast, And it's

842
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: specifically about electric vehicles that they are manufacturing that this

843
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: whistleblower is saying have faulty parts, faulty manufactured parts on them,

844
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: very important parts, specifically the shocks on these vehicles and

845
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: the systems attached to those shocks, which as this whistleblower

846
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: is saying and posted some stuff on Reddit and then

847
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 2: that's why you got fired about how they will fall

848
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: apart mid driving, like going very fast, especially going fast

849
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: and you hit a small pothole or something. They have

850
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: the potential to break apart completely to where the tires

851
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: get so misaligned that the person driving that vehicle loses

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00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: complete control. One family of four has been killed due

853
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: to this faulty manufacturing, and there are several dozens of

854
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: other crashes reported to this stuff. But of course the

855
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: companies want to keep it quiet, and this guy is

856
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: trying very hard not to keep it quiet. So do

857
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: look this up, check it out, and I guess, tell

858
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: us what you think. That's it.

859
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: And while you're telling us what you think, you're probably

860
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: wondering how do I reach out and not like KIV

861
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 4: touch these guys, but just in general, how do I

862
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 4: contact stuff they don't want you to know. We've got

863
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: some great news for you. You can find us on email,

864
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: a telephonic device. You can even hit us up on

865
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: various versions of the Internet, your favorite platforms, your favorite

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Speaker 4: social needs. Should you sip.

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Speaker 5: It's right, You can find us at the handle conspiracy Stuff,

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Speaker 5: where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's

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Speaker 5: where it gets crazy. On AXFKA, Twitter, and on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: We have video content golord for your enjoyment on Instagram

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Speaker 5: and TikTok TikTok on TikTok. Though, guys, we are conspiracy

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Speaker 5: stuff show.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 2: three std WYTK. Put it in your contacts if you

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Speaker 2: choose to call it. If you do choose to call it,

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Speaker 2: you'll hear a familiar sound, a familiar voice, and then

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Speaker 2: you'll get three minutes. Within that three minutes, give yourself

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Speaker 2: a cool nickname and let us know if we can

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Speaker 2: use your name and message on the air. Other than that,

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Speaker 2: no rules. If you've got more to say, maybe links,

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Speaker 2: maybe photos, anything like that. Can't really do it that way,

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Speaker 2: but you can do it if you send us a

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Speaker 2: good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 4: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

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Speaker 4: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 4: writes back. Big shout out to Tom by the Way,

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Speaker 4: who recently reached out regarding his story about a dragon,

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Speaker 4: which I would argue prefigures the recent hubbub surrounding droves

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Speaker 4: across these United States. Can't wait to hear your lim

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Speaker 4: If you are anyone but humorous Harry, please send us

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Speaker 4: some jokes as well. Most importantly, give us some leads

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Speaker 4: on new episodes. We're just to step away from the light.

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Speaker 4: Join us out here in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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