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Speaker 1: to the Piketon Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and Katie Studios.

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Speaker 1: In April twenty sixteen, when eight members of the Roden

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Speaker 1: the sleepy town of Piketon, Ohio, the community clearly shaken

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Speaker 1: after this morning's multiple homicide. People in this small community

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Speaker 1: being told to me on alert tonight. As news of

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Speaker 1: the unthinkable and gruesome killing spread, the small rural community

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Speaker 1: murder scenes are now advancing the theory the killings could

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Speaker 1: be related to a drug cartel. Authorities aren't commenting on

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Speaker 1: whether they have any potential suspects. Everybody thinks all the

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Speaker 1: incompetence came to law enforcement in that county. There's nobody

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Speaker 1: watching the watchers in these small communities, and in many

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of murders here that have not

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Speaker 1: been solved. But if I say what I think, I

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Speaker 1: could probably end up in the river. This is the

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Speaker 1: Piked and Massacre Episode five, air and Opportunity. In the

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Speaker 1: days after the killings, the road and murders became an

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Speaker 1: international headline and it was a sensational story, a series

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Speaker 1: of murders, multiple potential motives, all taking place in a

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Speaker 1: small town in Ohio. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a TV producer

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Speaker 1: at Katy Studios, where I work with Stephanie Lydecker and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Shane. We've been following the case for a long

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Speaker 1: time and through the course of our investigation learned that

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Speaker 1: I haven't been home since July a year before last,

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Speaker 1: get go. It was one all them after another. Nearly

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Speaker 1: a month after the bodies were found, Sheriff Frieder had

429
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Speaker 1: key pieces of evidence, including the Rodents, mobile homes and automobiles,

430
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: moved to a warehouse in the nearby town of Waverley.

431
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: Jodi Barr was on the scene and told Jeff what

432
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Speaker 1: he saw. So I'm out of the warehouse where they

433
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: moved these vehicles, the equipment from all the Rodent properties

434
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Speaker 1: where they moved the four mobile homes where these murders happened.

435
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: There's a large fence around this huge outdoor lot and

436
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: it is full of cars and ATVs farming equipment, back

437
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: hosed huge tractor trailers. So, as a reporter with you know,

438
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: at least a small knowledge of the chain of custody

439
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Speaker 1: of evidence. I know that with all this evidence just

440
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards away from me, that you've got

441
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: to have it's secured somehow. There's got to be a

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Speaker 1: peace officer someone there with a gun and swore who

443
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: swear an oath to uphold the laws in the constitutions

444
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: of the State of Ohio. They're guarding that that was

445
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: not the case. Yeah. So it's the largest in criminal

446
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: investigation in state history, right, and the main evidence is

447
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: not getting watched. There was no one in that parking

448
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: lot watching that evidence. So when you drive up to

449
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: a warehouse and you look and there's nothing between you

450
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and hundreds of pieces of evidence except air and opportunity,

451
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: if that doesn't raise a red flag, I don't think

452
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: you're doing your job. I knew at that point in

453
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: time that there was something to explore here because potentially

454
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: this evidence, if it's unguarded, they can't establish a chain

455
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: of custody. This entire investigation could be jeopardized. So that's

456
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Speaker 1: why we took them. We took Mike Allen, the former

457
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: Hamilton County District Attorney. We took them to Pike County.

458
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I called him, I said, hey, I want to take

459
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Speaker 1: you to Pike County. Here's what I found. I don't

460
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: want to show you what I found yet, I just

461
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: want to take you to this way house and you

462
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: give me your impressions of what we see there. Through

463
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Speaker 1: the eyes of a prosecutor. Here's Mike Allen. Jody was

464
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: on this thing like white on Rice and I went

465
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: up there with him, and that's what I noticed. It

466
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Speaker 1: two and you know, you've got it. Seems to me

467
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: it was close to thirty forty, maybe even fifty vehicles

468
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: that had a fence around them. Well that's fine, but

469
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Speaker 1: it would have taken an old man like me about

470
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Speaker 1: ten seconds to climb over that fence and take something

471
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Speaker 1: out of one of those vehicles, plant something, put something

472
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Speaker 1: in one of the vehicles. It just was not done right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, anybody involved in law enforcement, from that first

474
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Speaker 1: week that you're at the police academy, you learned that

475
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Speaker 1: you must preserve the evidence, and you must preserve that

476
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Speaker 1: chain of custody of the evidence. And I don't know what,

477
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Speaker 1: if anything, they pulled out of any of those cars,

478
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: but if I were defending this and they tried to

479
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Speaker 1: introduce any of that evidence, I would be all over

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Speaker 1: and I would move to have the evidence excluded because

481
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: it just was not properly secured. So Jody began preparing

482
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Speaker 1: a report about the evidence fiasco for a new station

483
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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen in Cincinnati. Soon after, Jody and his crew

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Speaker 1: were approached by Sheriff Charles Reader, who presented them with

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Speaker 1: a curious offer. The Sheriff's office declined to comment, but

486
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Speaker 1: here is Jody's side of the story. He tried to

487
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Speaker 1: make a deal with us to not hear that that

488
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: warehouse story. Yeah, and the deal was that he was

489
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: going to give us this unfettered access where we could

490
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: do this first hundred hours with Charlie Reader after he

491
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: learned the murders. If we wouldn't do this, that always

492
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: That still sits for me today. It pissed me off

493
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Speaker 1: then because I'm like, you know, what do you think

494
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Speaker 1: we are? We don't make deals. Well, photographer, now we're

495
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, we got back in the car after then

496
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Speaker 1: we're going, what the hell just happened here? Never have

497
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Speaker 1: Reader was indicted on eight felonies and eight misdemeanors. These

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Speaker 1: felony charges are not directly related to the road and investigation.

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Speaker 1: He was accused of conflict of interest, deft in office,

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Speaker 1: and tampering with evidence, among other nefarious activities. According to reports,

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00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: we are also allegedly still cash sees from drug arrest

560
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: to fund a gambling problem. Here's investigative journalist James Pilcher. Yeah,

561
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: he had a gambling addiction and he decided I'll just

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00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: use my own forces money to feed it. Yeah. Man,

563
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: in places like this, and I'm not going to say

564
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: it's necessarily a lack of journalistic outlets keeping tabs or whatever,

565
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: but there's no accountability. There's nobody watching the watchers in

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00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: these small communities, and in many cases that can lead

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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: to major corruption. It's definitely worth noting that Sheriff Reader

568
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: has pled not guilty to all of these charges. However,

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: to Jody Barr, it's just another surreal event to what

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00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: seems like a never ending bizarre story. Reader was, you know,

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00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with Mike DeWine, the now governor who

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00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: was then the attorney general when these murders happened, that

573
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: they together were updating the nation about what happened here

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00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: in those days after the murders and where you going?

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: Is this real? Then you read what the indictments alleged,

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Speaker 1: and you read what the grand jury handed up, and

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: then you know, you just have to assume if a

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00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: grand jury is handing up an indictment, that there's been

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00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: an investigation conducted, there have been facts gathered, a prosecutor

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00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: has reviewed that, I mean evidence tampering and tampering with records.

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy who led the sheriff's office

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00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: and who for a time, a moment in time when

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00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: this first happened, these murders first happened, who was also

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: leading that investigation until the state came in and took

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Speaker 1: it over. You just sit back and go, man, let's

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00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: see where this ends. I mean, Pike County has been

587
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: a crazy ride ever since the end of April of

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00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and it's still right now. You've got people

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00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: awaiting trial facing the death penalty on eight murders. The

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: sheriff and diedd removed from office. It has been an

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00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy half a decade. There still the people of

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: pikes and are torn about Chaiff Reader. He put this

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00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: town before him. He cared about Pike County. Here's road

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Speaker 1: and family friend Brittany talking to Stephanie Lydecker. If it

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Speaker 1: wasn't for him, he for Charlie Reader, they wouldn't have

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00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: came close to even finding out about the Wagners. Honestly,

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00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. How come because he worked his ass

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: off to find like that's all he did was to

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: investigate all of that. He didn't like, he didn't like

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00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: he had done his job. Like he went and you know,

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00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: like he was doomed really well in Pike County, like

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00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: keeping this like getting the drugs off the streets and whatnot.

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00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: But he still made effort a lot of effort into

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: the rod In case. Charlie had dedicated himself to getting

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00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: justice for the Roden family and then he was booted,

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00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: not that that long ago. Apparently he was taking the

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00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: money from the rod In case for gambling. But honestly,

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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't believe it because I don't know. I just

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: don't believe that they just were finding reasons to get

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00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: him out of office. Aie Montgomery holds a much different

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: view of Saraff Reeder. You know, now he's blaming his

612
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: gambling habits on because what he's seen is the crime

613
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: scenes have haunted him so much he couldn't sleep, so

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00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: he would go gamble. Well, I've known Charlie for thirty

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00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: years and he's been gambling way before this happened. And

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00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: that's just that, just to me shows you his character.

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00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to I'm gonna use the death

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00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: of eight people to try to smooth over, and I'm

619
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: still in money off my county and gambling and that

620
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: is disgusting to me. I just think there's a lot

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00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: of dirty deeds that going around here, and I think

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: that they will do anything they can keep them covered up.

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Speaker 1: Do we have a lot of crime here? Yeah, because

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: of drugs. Do we have a lot of drug activity here? Yes,

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00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: way more than there was fifteen years ago. Is it

626
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: safe here? I'm more scared of law enforcement than I

627
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: am of the people that killed my cousin. You're afraid

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: to say anything when in all reality, yeah, some things

629
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: are out there that you think because you go down

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00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: a ton of rabbit holes. When when you talk to

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00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: two and three hundred people like I have over the

632
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: course of two and two years, you find out a

633
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of crap and it does take you down those

634
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: rabbit holes. Is it true? You don't know, but by god,

635
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: it looks like something isn't right. Pike County isn't It's beautiful,

636
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: it's far as landscape. It's a beautiful place. You know.

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00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: We're full of farmers and just down to earth people.

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00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of dirty people here too, and

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00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: most of them are in power So with Sheriff Reader's

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Speaker 1: ethics being brought into question, does this impact the charges

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Speaker 1: you know, the charges against Reader, the felonies and the

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Speaker 1: misdemeanors about being you know, through and through corrupt and

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Speaker 1: when it came to both law enforcement and financial dealings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would assume this is going to affect a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. In fact, the prosecutor for the Pikedon area

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Speaker 1: also just resigned. This just sort of makes you start

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Speaker 1: thinking about everything that happened at beginning. Now you're seeing

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Speaker 1: speak well about finding any answers to this thing. Every

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Speaker 1: these other crimes did official zero went on the Wagoners?

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Speaker 1: Police received over eleven hundred tips, They conducted over five

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Speaker 1: hundred interviews, tested about seven hundred pieces of evidence, served

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Speaker 1: close to two hundred church warrants, subpoenas and other things.

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Speaker 1: So this was something that was huge. So when you

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Speaker 1: read these indictments, you know they were talking about the

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Speaker 1: Wagner's movements, even months before these murders happened. Four months

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Speaker 1: hacking computers and there was surveillance cameras on those properties.

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Speaker 1: If we are to believe the prosecution as alleged, you know,

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