1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott and this is 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: We had an awesome weekend. 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: Hannah, My goodness, that was I think the most fun 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: I've had at a car event ever. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so fun. I would I would wholeheartly agree, 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: actually for sure at an event for cars and maybe 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: even in motorcycles, that was, oh wow, the coolest for me. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: I mean, the star studded guest list that we had 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: was just insane. 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: I know, everything came together so well, and I have 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: to say the access I thought was incredible, both for 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: us as media but also for spectators. Yep, I mean 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: it felt it made an F one race feel a 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: little bit difficult to navigate. Like the access I thought 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: at Lamal was just really good. 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 3: Yes, we should explain for you know, people who aren't 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: regular listeners what we're talking about. So Hannah and I 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: went to Lamal, France to see the twenty four hour 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: race last weekend, and we had a star studded guest 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: list of CEOs and market movers. We had Tom Wagner, 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: who runs Nighthead, which owns the team there Hurts team 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: Joda Cadillac. He also owns Singer as well as Revology. 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 3: Obviously Hurts what we had the CEO of Hurts, Gil 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: West join us. We had the CEO of Ford, Jim 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: Farley join us. We had the CEO of Aston Martin 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: Adrian Hallmark. By the way. So, and in terms of 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: the race results, right, Ferrari one, everybody was telling us 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: the whole time they were sandbag and it turns out 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: they kind of were. 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: They would all say, we're not allowed to tell you this, 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: and we don't. We're not allowed to talk about the 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: balance of power. Butt. 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ferrari sand bags, and so does Toyota. 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Well, no, Toyota got sand bagged. So Toyota was given 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: an eleven kilogram penalty, right because they won so much 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: at the beginning of this decade, and Ferrari was just 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: given a pass. And I think the impressive thing was 40 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: that Porsia took second, Ferrari was first, third, and fourth. 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: And then this is. 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: A third year in a row Ferrari one. So three 43 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: years in a row. 44 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and amazing their driver Robert Kubica, right, who is 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: basically one handed. 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable story. 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: Truly an amazing story. But if you think about it, 48 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: Cadillac Actually, if you take out the Ferraris, which they 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: were given a huge advantage, then Cadillac comes in. I 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: think third. They were they were no. Second because they 51 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: were fifth the number twelve. Yeah, car finished fist. 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: I have to say, Cadillac is really developing into a 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: fascinating story and it was so great to be, you know, 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: around that team in their hospitality, around some of their 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 2: drivers Jensen Button of course, and some of their executives 56 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: Mark Royce. Because the vibe is good. The vibe is 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: really good. I think there is a nice little ground 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: swell happening, and of course that's great timing going into 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: Formula One as a race team next year. That is 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: a team to watch just out of a human interest 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: story alone. 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I also think I can't remember who which 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: media outlet wrote collection of the winners and losers, and 64 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: they included Aston Martin as one of the winners, even 65 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: though Aston Martin's hypercar team was one of the biggest losers. 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: At the end of the race, they only beat Pougeot, 67 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: which was really the biggest loser. But I also agree 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: that Aston was a winner because they're new to this right. Also, 69 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: they were the only non hybrid entry and for me, 70 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: like watching the race, it was the sound again that 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: was the most important thing, and the Cadillacs were the 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: most amazing, like deep rumble. They made everybody else sound 73 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: like nothing except for the Aston Martin Valkyrie. That thing, 74 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: the v twelve screams. 75 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: Screaming is the right word for it. It is unbelievable 76 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: to feel that. I mean, you hear it and you 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: feel it in your body when it goes by. It 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: was so so cool, and I think for me, the 79 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: takeaway is that Lamon is it's about the racing. Really, 80 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: It's about that moment that you just described feeling when 81 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: a Valkyrie goes by. There were no not a ton 82 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: of like influencers and just hordes of celebrities at this race, 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: which was I thought it was really nice. You know, 84 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: F one has become all about status and really bringing 85 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: you know, Hollywood stars and musical stars and all of 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: that is really great, but Lemon doesn't have that quite yet. 87 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 2: I think it probably will in a couple of years. 88 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: I think we're headed in that direction. And that's great, 89 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: that's totally fine, but it's it was nice to be 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: at this old French race in this little old French 91 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: town and not have a total like Instagram influencer circuit. 92 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: Yes, it was pretty cool. I actually went over to 93 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: the Portie Hospitality looking for you. At one point I 94 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 3: was there. Well, I didn't see you, and I stopped 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: out on the patio because Mark Weber was giving a 96 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: talk about how you know, WEK works and how endurance 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: racing strategy. And then he went inside and sat down 98 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: next to I thought his twin brother. I didn't know 99 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: Mark Weber had a twin brother, and I realized it 100 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 3: was Eric Banna. 101 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what's really funny is I was sitting 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: behind them. I actually went upstairs in hospitality to sort 103 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: of hide out. This was after we'd wrapped taping and everything, 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: and I was just like, I just wanted I honestly 105 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: just want to watch the race. I don't want to 106 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: have to talk to anyone. I want to sit and 107 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: watch the TV and watch the race. So I went 108 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: upstairs and Portia Hospitality. This is after the race had started. 109 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: There was no one there because everyone moved closer to 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: the track, and I just sat down behind these two 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: dudes and it was like the three of us and 112 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: a couple other folks in the room. That was it 113 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: for an hour, and then eventually some other people came 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: into the room, some Porsche executives and puffers, and they 115 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: get the guy to turn around and I realized it's 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: Mark and Eric. 117 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had. 118 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: No idea and they were just chilling it was. It 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: was actually really cool. 120 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very very cool. I watched most of 121 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: the race upstairs in the in the Cadillac Hospitality and 122 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: just because there was a collection of bros there that 123 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: knew so much about racing. Dario Franchiti was sitting up there. 124 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: Rajnaire formerly a Ford, was up there now, the CEO 125 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: of singer Brian Burke was up there. He's an executive 126 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: vice president at Multimatic. There were just a ton of people. 127 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: Gil West was there, so like every time I had 128 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: a question, and I had so many, I would just 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: lean over and be like, yo, Dario, what's the pitting strategy? 130 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: You know? And then he would like explain to the room. Yeah, 131 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: it was awesome, so cool. 132 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: I love I love it, I love it. 133 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: I also think we should give a shout out to 134 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: David Clark, who really made a lot of this happen. 135 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: David is kind of a king. I feel like he's 136 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: kind of a king maker in this world. And we 137 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: sort of. 138 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: I saw him. 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: We saw him in Cadillac, we saw we kind of 140 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: saw him everywhere. 141 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: Yep. 142 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: That's another one that like when you're listening off these names. 143 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: These are people who have been in the business forever 144 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: and they know everyone. There's nobody they can't call to 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: get something done or you know, just to talk to 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: her whatever to get insight from It was really cool 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: to be a part of that, and yeah, I definitely 148 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: hope we can do it again next year. 149 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: Speaking of kings, we have one on this program today, 150 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: truly a king if his kingdom is not having its 151 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: best year. In twenty twenty five, we're gonna talk to 152 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: Toto Wolf, who is the CEO and co owner of 153 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: Mercedes their Formula One team Mercedes AMG Patronis. He's the 154 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: team principal. He's a billionaire from Austria and I mean 155 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: speaking of highly connected, this guy is married to Susie Wolf, 156 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: so she started the Formula Academy. 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they talk about a power couple. Also, Toto 158 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: has transcended motorsports become famous in culture, I think in general. 159 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: And I know that's true because my gay best friend 160 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: who doesn't care for motorsport at all but loves music. 161 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Like he loves Toto. 162 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: You know, I've got some girly friends who are not 163 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: involved in cars at all, they all know all about 164 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: Toto and are big fans. So he has transcended cars 165 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: and he is now on another level. So we're excited 166 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: to have him. 167 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: Let's talk about race weekend, because you guys had a 168 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: good one. Tell us what happened. 169 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: Yeaha was a good one. We finished first and second 170 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: wonder Race with George Russell and excitingly with eighteen year 171 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 4: old Kimo Antonelli. We finished third, So double podium. 172 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: And how did you get there? Because it's been a 173 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: tough it's been a long slog, right. 174 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 4: Well, it hasn't been such a slog. I think you're 175 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: being a bit harsh with us here because we've won 176 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: of a bunch of races last year, we've been dominant 177 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: in Las Vegas, but we haven't competed for a championships 178 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: since a while, and in that respect, this this season 179 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: we had many podiums but no victories, and yesterday it 180 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: was on complete merit. We've been strong throughout the race 181 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 4: on all tires. There was not you know, the lack 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: of a safety cow, so it was us really, you know, 183 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: being the being the benchmark. 184 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: Then Jimmy is I think the third youngest driver ever 185 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: to take a race podium, which is huge. 186 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: Can you tell us just. 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: A little bit about what you see in him as 188 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: a driver and what you see as he develops, what 189 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: you can expect for the future. 190 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: So, Kimmy has been in our junior program since he 191 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: was eleven, and you can today recognize talent, I would 192 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: say from the age of ten when the kids start 193 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 4: to compete in the International Go Cutting Series and we're 194 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 4: having a good group of scouts. You know, I'm a 195 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: City Spen's junior program and that's important in a way. 196 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: It works like the soccer, soccer or tennis academies that 197 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 4: they identified talent very early on and for a young driver, 198 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: you you know, they start winning races and the really 199 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 4: best ones win championships and the great ones do do 200 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: that every year. And that's why we saw that Kimmi 201 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: was different from the age of eleven or twelve, and 202 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: then he's continued. 203 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: What do you see it in winning championships already. 204 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, already in katting, you have these age groups eight 205 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: to ten, ten to twelve, twelve to fourteen. And if 206 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: a kid starts at the age of eight and is 207 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 4: already competitive against two year elder children, that's already a 208 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: good indication. And if that child wins a championship a 209 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: year younger than everybody else, that's another good indication. And 210 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: he has been winning through these throughout these categories, and 211 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: that's very exceptional. 212 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: I wonder I always think about this kind of feeder 213 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: program that you have, and I think about I've lived 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: in Germany for a long time, so I'm familiar with 215 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: the soccer feeder to they have how many women or 216 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: how many girls are in this Because if we learned 217 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: anything from Lamar this weekend is that you don't need 218 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: to have this kind of dominant alpha male strength to 219 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: win a race like Kuvisa has an injured arm and 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 3: still took the victory over the factory team, So clearly 221 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: women could compete at the top level. 222 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Robert is A is a is an exceptional driver, 223 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: great talent. He had him. He had a Ferrari consigned 224 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 4: Ferrari contract before he had the rally accident, so he 225 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: would have been a world championhip, no doubt about that. 226 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 4: And also the resilience that he's shown because he's driving 227 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 4: with one hand. But in terms of young female is 228 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: just a number game, you know. We when you look 229 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: at Cocating ten years ago of Adred, of one hundred kids, 230 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: there would have been two girls. Now there is fifteen 231 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: or twenty. And that's why we're eventually gonna have young 232 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: females comp think being able to compete in Formula one. 233 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: So we have a young lady in our program. Her 234 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: name is Luna Fluxa, who's winning races, who's winning championships. 235 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: She's going to step into cars in one year, and 236 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: she has she has the talent and the ambition and 237 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 4: the character to be successful. And the obviously the program 238 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: that my wife manages, the Formula one Academy, which is 239 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 4: an old female series, has been inspiring for young girls 240 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: suddenly seeing being a racing driver as a career because 241 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: on the past they went no role models. It was 242 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: Susie was in the last one in Formula one. And 243 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 4: now suddenly there's a Netflix series around Formula one Academy 244 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: that has just dropped, and more girls are starting to 245 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 4: have an interest. 246 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: You know, last week I was with Frank Wallacer with Bidley, 247 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, Frank the former head of Portion Motorsport, and 248 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: we were talking about how long it takes to develop 249 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: young drivers. I'm curious for Antonelli, for instance, how many 250 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: years do you think he would need to really get 251 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: him to the top of his game and maybe at 252 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: the top of the podium. Is that a three year game? 253 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: Is that a five year game or is it shorter 254 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: than that? 255 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 4: So that has changed in the last few years because 256 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: it is so difficult to manage the tires. It's not 257 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: only about speed, how fast can you go on a 258 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: single lap boy in a race, but not sturing the 259 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: tires to drive as fast as you can in the 260 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: same time, not sliding them and not making them overheat 261 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: because it loses you lose tons of lap times and 262 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: that is the limitation for young drivers coming up. A 263 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: good example is Piastre who is leading the championship. It 264 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: took him a year and a half actually to kind 265 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: of catch up to London Norris and it's been the 266 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: first year that he has an edge on him, and 267 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: that is I think just the tire management and with Kimmi. 268 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: He doesn't know all of the circuits. It was the 269 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: first time in Montreal, so you start with a massive disadvantage. 270 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: But the car was good and he was able to, 271 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: you know, be fast. But coming back to your question, yes, 272 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: you probably need to look at the three year program 273 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: and say that's the time it needs for a young 274 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: driver to you know, to challenge the more your more 275 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 4: experienced teammates that are also super fast. I mean, George 276 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: today is among the among the best drivers in form 277 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: of one and that's something you need to give them time. 278 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: You need to accept that there's going to be more 279 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 4: difficult weekends underperformance, but that's just part of how it 280 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: goes now. 281 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: So do you have a take on whether or not 282 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: a team should have two drivers for the whole season 283 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: and they stay there because a lot of people have 284 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: been talking about this since Jack Dowan was removed, or 285 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: do you think that a team should be able to revolve, 286 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: you know, like occasionally you could use Valucherie and take. 287 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: I think when you take the right decision in terms 288 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: of talent, you must be very conscious about who you're 289 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: putting in the car and if that young driver shows 290 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 4: a lot of promise, you also need to give them 291 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: time to develop, and that's what we are doing with Kimi. 292 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: There were lots of voices that said, how can you 293 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: put an eighteen year old in a car, especially in 294 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: the Mercedes. You know, it's not like you're competing in 295 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: a smaller team and you're under the radar, but literally 296 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: you're being cutapulted in a seed where people expect you 297 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: to be on the podium or win races. So that's 298 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: been our philosophy. We wouldn't give anyone a seed if 299 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 4: we didn't think that can be a champion of the future. 300 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: What does Voucherie do for you guys? Because he put 301 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: out a pretty hilarious video on special where he's like 302 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: drinking a lot of espressol and hanging out right. But 303 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: he's obviously an incredibly talented pilot, so I guess he 304 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: can add a ton of value, right. 305 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: Viter is just awesome guy. He's a super talented driver 306 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: and he's kind of found his you know, he's being 307 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 4: authentic now. I met Viter in two thousand and eight. 308 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: He was a young driver without any financial backing, and 309 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: he was dominating Junior Series. I remember seeing his first 310 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: race in a really competitive feeder series called Former No. 311 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: There was forty four starters. He was on pole and 312 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: at the end of the race he was leading by 313 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 4: a margin of ten seconds. So outstanding driver then came 314 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 4: into Formula One and unfortunately ended up with the most 315 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: successful driver of all times. Louis Hamilton has a teammate 316 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 4: in his peak and vity was a wise world champion 317 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: many times. He's won many races, He's been dominant some 318 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: of the circuits and also against his teammates. When he 319 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 4: went to Sauba, he you know, he just basically crushed 320 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 4: them all. But then he ended up without a seat 321 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 4: and for us a huge opportunity to take back as 322 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: a reserve. I know that if one of our drivers 323 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: would have a fish poisoning, have the best guy, we 324 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: would have the best guy in the car to actually perform. 325 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: So that's positive. And on a different note, he has 326 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: kind of found his you know, his his brand. He's 327 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: an extremely cool guy. He always was, but he's a Finn. 328 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: He was introverted and he's in a way he breaks 329 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 4: free of the Mercedes environment. And you know he has 330 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: this mustache and the hair and how do you call 331 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: that the mullet, the mullet and he's he's. 332 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: A business in the front party in the back exactly. 333 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: In German it's called a focal. 334 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 4: Language. Like in the front, you know efficient, and in 335 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: the rear you're fashionable, stylish, and Vitry is an individual 336 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 4: that can take a mickey out of himself, which is 337 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 4: so important. You need to be able to laugh about himself. 338 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: And Vitory has the ambition and the talent to come 339 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: back into Formula one and if that doesn't fly, he's 340 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 4: going to make a career in Lamon that you like, 341 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: or in Indy cars or whatever, because he's so good. 342 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: But on top of that, he's a laugh I mean, 343 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: I saw that video and you really really great content. 344 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: You know. That really makes me think about this conversation 345 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: we had with Jensen Button this past weekend at Lamar 346 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: and Jensen made the comment that Formula one drivers are 347 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: very selfish. They're the most selfish drivers in any series 348 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: we were talking about, of course NASCAR and endurance racing. 349 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if you if you agree with that, 350 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: and how do you manage these personalities The egos will 351 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: be honest that you have to have a pretty good 352 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: opinion of yourself to put yourself on the line like that. 353 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: How do you manage that as team principle. 354 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: So there's two things you cannot expect from a one driver, 355 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: to be a lion in the car and the puppy outside. 356 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 4: These guys are traumatized little six year olds because they've 357 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: been put in a go card as basically toddlers. That's scary. 358 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 4: You know you're being told drive fast. These cards go 359 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: one hundred kilometers an hour. It's raining, you have accidents 360 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: and you need to rely on yourself. You find out 361 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: that you are alone in this go card and you 362 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 4: just need to survive, and only the best to There's 363 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: many kids that eventually drop out because of fear, pressure 364 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: or running, lack of talent. So if you make it 365 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: in formula one, you know that you can only rely 366 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 4: on yourself. It is you need to be selfish. You 367 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: need to beat your teammate. So that is a key ingredient. 368 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: But and here's the caveat. I believe that the best 369 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 4: ones also have social intelligence, emotional and intelligence, and they 370 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 4: know how to maneuver a padoc. They are career focused 371 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 4: and driven, but they are not selfish because they understand 372 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: that in order to be successful and Informula one, you 373 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 4: need to have the good people around you, whether it's 374 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 4: in the team or whether it's in your management, and 375 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: you need to look at it from a long term perspective. 376 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: The short term optimization will not make you the most 377 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 4: successful driver. And we've seen it in the past that 378 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: people missed out on great careers because they were acting 379 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: arrogantly or selfish optimizing every single opportunity rather than being 380 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 4: a team player. Louis Hamilton is a fantastic team player 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: and he's been the most successful of all time. Michael 382 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 4: Schumacher was able to assemble the team around him and 383 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 4: being hugely successful. So you see that with the best 384 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: so talent, ambition, but also consciousness that it doesn't all 385 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 4: revolve around yourself. There is other people that are part 386 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: of your success. And how I've been managing this from 387 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: the first day that I have been in Former one 388 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: is that I make no difference between the two drivers 389 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 4: and the rest of the company. And I've been telling 390 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: them that there's two and a half thousand superstars in 391 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 4: this team, whether they work in the machine shop and 392 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: the cleaning, in aerodynamics or driving the car. I'm not 393 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 4: going to treat you any different than any of the 394 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 4: other people. If you a selfish and you put our 395 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 4: joint success at risk or or you damage our brand, 396 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 4: then I'm gonna be and then I'm going to be 397 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: ruthless about it. You have no part in this team. 398 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 4: And that's that philosophy worked because our drivers have understood, 399 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: they respected, they care that everybody you know is part 400 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 4: of the success, and they realize that when they crash 401 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: into each other. For example, people can't pay their mortgages 402 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: because they don't they don't earn their bonus. 403 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: I get it. I get that, and I love the 404 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: egalitarian take. But there's obviously an importance having someone as 405 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: good as say Lewis Hamilton to help lead the team. 406 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: You do what you do, but he also must have 407 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: contributed a lot in that sense. Do you miss Lewis? 408 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure personally you can still hang out 409 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: with him, but do you miss him in that sense? 410 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: As such an experienced leader, as such a champion. 411 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: You always have to miss a person like Louis Hamilton. 412 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 4: And as you say, we're still close friends. We have 413 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: given our word to each other that we will stay 414 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: close friends. We're fighting hard on track with the gloves 415 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 4: off of our because we need to fight for respective 416 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 4: teams and that's the kind of rule we have. But 417 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: off track, we spend some time with each other. We 418 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 4: travel with each other, and I don't want to miss 419 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 4: the friend that I've been, that I've that I've that 420 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: I've gotten for so many years, the longest ever drive 421 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 4: a team relationship in Formula one twelve years. He's rarely 422 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 4: see that in any other spot. And when it comes 423 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: to developing the car, obviously he has a lot of experience. 424 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: He seed it all and to replace someone like Louis 425 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: Hamilton is always going to be difficult, you know. 426 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: With Lewis, obviously he probably hasn't been finishing as high 427 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: up this year as he wanted. But also I've read 428 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: plenty of his comments in the press that he is unconcerned. 429 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: He is this is a long process, this is a 430 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: new team, a new car, and of course anyone would 431 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: be foolish to count out a champion like Lewis Hamilton. Ever, 432 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how you see that now from your 433 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 2: side of the track, so to speak, as he is 434 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: learning a new car and a new team and taking 435 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: some time to do it. 436 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: I fully agree with that you know, you don't learn 437 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: driving that quickly. In twenty twenty one he was great. 438 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: Than the regulation changed and it got a little bit 439 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: more difficult, but he was still performing on a very 440 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 4: high level. And just by changing teams suddenly you don't 441 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 4: lose your skills. I think everybody needs to have a 442 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 4: period of adoption, different car, different DNA of how how 443 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: that vehicle drives, new engineering team that you need to 444 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 4: start to work together then be involved in the continuous 445 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: development in the car so it suits your driving style. 446 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 4: It's an all Italian team, you know, he's a British 447 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 4: guy parachuted in there and uh and that takes time. Also, 448 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: we have seen a little bit of a pattern that 449 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 4: lewis at the beginning of the season. You know, he 450 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: needs to come into to find that mojo, and the 451 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 4: second half of the season has been always very strong. 452 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: So don't ever write Louis Hammerton off. 453 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: Can I just point out that Mark Marquez did not 454 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: need any time for that. Do you watch one of 455 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 3: the other leagues or sports that you're I know you're 456 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: super busy with Formula one so you probably can't. But 457 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 3: Moto GP, Mark Marquez has been so insanely dominant, and 458 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: he is old and broken and switched not only to 459 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: a different team, but he's working for the Italians who 460 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: really don't like him. 461 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there is the exceptional athletes that that 462 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 4: clearly outstanding in that category. And he has shown that 463 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 4: switching manufacturers hasn't hasn't affected him. On the contrary, he's 464 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: he's great on the on the Ducati as well. I 465 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 4: don't know how many word championships did Mark Marcus win. 466 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: He's got eight now. 467 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 4: So it's like Lewis, right, yeah, true, and these are 468 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: the greats and some adopt easier, some some take a 469 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: little bit of time. But I mean Louis Hamilton is 470 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 4: one of the greatest goals of course all time. 471 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: Of course, he's up there on that level with a 472 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: Rossi as well. 473 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: Speaking of Lewis, obviously he was the producer in this 474 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: F one film. Toto were how involved were you in 475 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: this in the filming? The production? The film's coming out 476 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: very soon. I'm actually going to see it tonight in 477 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: a press screening. 478 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: Is there a total in this in this movie? 479 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? About them? Actually, I mean I'm really I'm really 480 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 4: really proud. Yeah, And he's taken a lot of interest 481 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 4: in the role, so and say how does it work? 482 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 4: He spent some time with me at the race, had 483 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 4: him in the garage listening to the intercom. Exceptional, exceptional 484 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: guy also to be so keen and understanding, trying to understand. 485 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, we've been involved from early on. Obviously Lewis 486 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: was the main one guiding the team in in the narrative, 487 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 4: in the storyline, what's realistic, what's not? I can only 488 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: take a mini credit in it. I'm an executive producer 489 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: and I was told when that's on the screen, that's 490 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: pretty good. But other than that, you know, we have 491 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 4: we helped to build the cars. So we built f 492 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 4: two cars that are cars that that are racing in there. 493 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: We we pointed bread that racing drivers schools to learn it. 494 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 4: And obviously there were meetings where you know, we were 495 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 4: asked of our opinion is that realistic or not? Is 496 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 4: that what you would do? And so we had a 497 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: we had a contribution and that and you know, I've 498 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: seen them. I've seen the movie in premiere for the 499 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: team principals and drivers in Monte Carlo, and I don't 500 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: see a mistake. There's nothing that I would not see 501 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 4: us being uncompletely unrealistic. I mean you have the drivers 502 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: Sonny who is a who is who is older than 503 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: what you would think, but not much more. All of 504 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: all of the the all of the storyline is realistic, 505 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 4: and even for us racing insiders, we couldn't find anything wrong. 506 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: We actually asked Jensen Button over the weekend, like, what 507 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: is the difference when you're forty five as opposed to 508 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: twenty five? I mean he still has in incredible reflexes, right, 509 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: And what makes younger drivers better because they do always 510 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: have a few tenths on the guys, even the champions 511 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: who are twenty years older. 512 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 4: I think that the true champions can compensate some of 513 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: the sharpness that you lose. I mean cognitively, all of 514 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 4: us becoming elder, you lose some of that. I think, 515 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 4: what your reactions, what your eyes see, motoric capability, that's 516 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: something that's getting slower. But you can compensate that by 517 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: the better, right amount of training. So that's one thing. 518 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 4: The other is that the courage. You know, young drivers 519 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: are sometimes you know, not thinking too much about the 520 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: risks of the spot, and the older you get, you 521 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: may realize that a little bit more. But again they 522 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: are the outstanding ones are keep a bit of compensating 523 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 4: that in you know, different training for example. So you 524 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: know Alonso's going to be forty forty yere and he's 525 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: still an exceptional driver. 526 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. 527 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: We were talking to Matt Brown about him. He could 528 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: he could help them. 529 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, Zach Brown is in his early fifties 530 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: and he he still thinks of himself as being a 531 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: great driver. 532 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: He may need to lose a few pounds. 533 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to be. Zach is a friend of mine, 534 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: so I got to be. I need to be careful. 535 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 4: But as you have said, you know you can get 536 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 4: him in. It's just a matter of how quickly you 537 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 4: can get him out again. But wow, that's really nasty. 538 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 4: But he's a good friend. He's going to take that 539 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: with a with a pinch. 540 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: So that did make the point back to the drive 541 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: that being an elder driver, you do have more to lose. 542 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: Potentially once you get married, you have children, you start 543 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: to have more at stake. 544 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: You recognize your mortality. 545 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: You know, I can just tell it from my personal career. 546 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 4: I think I was never afraid of the mortality thing. 547 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 4: You know, nobody will survive anyway. And if you can 548 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: say that you had you know, you're doing what you want, 549 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 4: you love what you do, you have a great family, 550 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 4: then there's point is eventually going to come. So there's 551 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 4: not a thing in time in a car that I 552 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: thought about mortality. But you start, you kind of start 553 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: looking at things that you haven't in the past, you know, 554 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 4: with me, particularly in in rallying, suddenly I saw trees 555 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 4: that I have never seen before that I would have 556 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: not looked at before or under in the Rasky. You know, 557 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: when it's when it's raining and there's aqua planning, you 558 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: think about lifting as a twenty five year olds, I 559 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: would have never thought about lifting over acua planning. It 560 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: is what it is, you know, So that changes. But 561 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 4: it's not being scared. It's just that I hear you 562 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 4: realize I hear you. 563 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this news, but Caring 564 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: is naming Luca DeMeo from Renault it's next chief executive officer. 565 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: And you are very fashionable, very stylish in an elegant way. 566 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: What do you think about this potential to if you're 567 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: a great leader in automotive or in racing, that you 568 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 3: could do something and also in luxury or fashion, you know, 569 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 3: I mean this kind of shift. Have you thought about that? 570 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 4: So, first of all, Luca is a star for me, 571 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 4: and I've texted with him this morning and congratulated him 572 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 4: and said, it's a shame. You know, we've worked in 573 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: Formula one together. I'l beIN he's gonna have say this 574 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 4: engine next year, next year, but he's not around and 575 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 4: he was fundamental in making that happen. So I really 576 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 4: really rate him as a manager. And I think when 577 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 4: you have an understanding for an organization and he's not 578 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 4: under an no around, I mean massively. Yes, he was 579 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: great at Sayad, he was exceptional at Volkswagen before. If 580 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: you have an understanding for an organization, if you are 581 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 4: able to motivate people, if you have empathy, but at 582 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 4: the same time you create the right amount of pressure, 583 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 4: you can succeed in any industry in my opinion. And 584 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I think for caring is a coup to 585 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 4: have someone like look at me as a CEO. 586 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 3: It's just cool, that is. I mean from engineering to 587 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: fashion there's a huge difference, right, one of them is mathematical, 588 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: methodical and the other one is just an innate sense 589 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: that you have. 590 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: But as a car guy, you also have a sense 591 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: of you need to have a sense of esthetics. Cars 592 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 4: need to look good. People look you know cars Always 593 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 4: people say I'm buying a car because it's you know, 594 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: it doesn't burn a lot of fuel, or it's it's 595 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: you know, it looks good, has a lot of power. 596 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: But all these things are just disguising the real reason 597 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: we're buying car. Buying a car is an emotional act. 598 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 4: It's how I want to be perceived, not how I am, 599 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: but how I want to be perceived. And a proper 600 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 4: car guy and I see that we're all a Calanius 601 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: who runs Mercedes, they understand that very well. What is 602 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 4: it the customer wants to have? What's the aesthetics of 603 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 4: the car of the future. It's not about what you 604 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 4: like today, it's about what this is going to be 605 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 4: in three years. And I remember having been shown around 606 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 4: the next generation of Mercedes is a few years ago 607 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 4: by all a Calanius and Gordon Vagano is the chief 608 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: design of Mercedes, and he said, so he's shown Louis 609 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 4: and I around. He said, how do you like the 610 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 4: cars that are coming in three years? And we said, well, 611 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: we don't like them. He said, I'm glad that you 612 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 4: say that, because if you would like the cars in 613 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 4: three years, I know it would have done it wrong 614 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: because you will like them in three years. 615 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: But not now. 616 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: So sense of aesthetics, Look, Luka's going to do just fine. 617 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 4: He is designed been part of designing great cars. He's 618 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 4: going to be part of designing great Cuci clothes, finding 619 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: the right story, finding the right people that are kind 620 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 4: of designed the closes. 621 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 622 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So what for you is the most beautiful car 623 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: ever made? 624 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 4: WHOA? I would say spontaneously the three hundred s L call. 625 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not wrong, but it just since you 626 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: work for Mercedes, it's but. 627 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 4: It is the car. I mean it could you could 628 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 4: You could also say, you know, to fifty gto ferraris 629 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 4: a spectacular car. But looking at the way that non 630 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 4: Mercedes head, I think the most amazing car is also 631 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 4: the one that was the most expensive car of a 632 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 4: SOULD is the unhaut could Pey, you know, the pre 633 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: three hundred s L. You look at that car and 634 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 4: it's just the beauty in itself with the technology that 635 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 4: was unseen in those early years. And then the three 636 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 4: hundred was the development of the road car, which then 637 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 4: became a race car. But these are just the best 638 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 4: cars in the world. 639 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 3: I mean, Hannah's written about that car extensively. 640 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 4: I was there, you there when it was sold. I mean, congratulations. 641 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 4: I think this was an event that does a car person. 642 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: You can be proud that you've been part of it. 643 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 4: But also, you know, I'm driving the three hundred is 644 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 4: LS and it's a fifty to fifty six car, nineteen 645 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 4: fifty six car, and that thing drives two undred fifty 646 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 4: kilometers an hour. It breaks like a modern kite even 647 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 4: with the old tires. You know, you can you can 648 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 4: swish around the corner and you can see how far 649 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 4: advanced Mercedes was in terms of the developing high performance 650 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 4: cars back in the day and again or in hardcopy, 651 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 4: it's amazing. 652 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 3: I would also like to have a three hundred sl. 653 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 3: How much time do you have to hang out with 654 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: cars to enjoy, you know, the aesthetics of or the smell, 655 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: the vibrations, like the good old stuff, since you're so 656 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: busy at work with the new stuff. 657 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 4: Not enough, unfortunately, But I you know, I'm so lucky. 658 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 4: We I have Mercedes company cars and I get driven 659 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 4: around with Mercedeses to and from the races. That's really great. 660 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 4: And I appreciate that I was giving a company car 661 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 4: in the UK new s class S sixty three, and 662 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 4: I wrote and I wrote an email to the head 663 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 4: of Mercedes Spence you Can. I said, I'm so thankful 664 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 4: and grateful that you're giving me a company car like 665 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 4: the S sixty three because seeing it, stepping into the car, 666 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 4: driving it or being driven is just pure joy. And 667 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 4: in the same way driving some of the some of 668 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 4: the vintage cars around, it's it's you know, I need 669 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 4: to pinch myself sometimes being able to have this Mercedes cars. 670 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: I want to ask a little bit about motorsport in general. 671 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 2: Matt and I are all hyped up on Lamont because 672 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: we were just there. Would Mercedes ever run a factory 673 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 2: team at Lamont? 674 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: Would you join join? 675 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: And obviously there's so much branding potential for you. 676 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: Where do you see motorsports? 677 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: We're told us a bargain total thirty forty million for 678 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: the season. What a bargain. 679 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 4: It's a bargain, yeah, uh define bargain. No, But I'm 680 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 4: you know what I'm I'm looking at it. Lamar. I'm 681 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 4: a racer. Lamar twenty four hours is one of the 682 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 4: greatest races in the in the world Formula one. For me, 683 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 4: obviously my bias is the best there is. It's the 684 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 4: best driver's quick as cars, the greatest tracks, and then 685 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 4: there is a long time nothing. But if I would say, 686 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 4: what's next Lamar twenty four hours and if I found it, 687 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 4: and that is really one for insiders in the notch life, 688 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 4: the new book in twenty four hours. That for me 689 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 4: is you know, the top of the top. And when 690 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 4: I'm not having a Formula One weekend, I can watch 691 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 4: Lamar race pretty much through the night. You know, I'm 692 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 4: following the live feed and some of the drivers have 693 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 4: a personal interest. And as Mercedes, it's something that we 694 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 4: did in the past. We aren't particularly you know, that 695 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 4: wasn't our happiest place. We had a very bad accident 696 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 4: in the fifties when we when we exited and and 697 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 4: then some of our prototypes have been flying taking off 698 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 4: in the nineties and early two thousands. I think it 699 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 4: was in the nine nineteen nineties. But what it is 700 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 4: for me today is we are concentrating on you know, 701 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 4: the main platform and that is Formula one. It's what 702 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 4: we want to do. Right. This captures ninety nine percent 703 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 4: of the audiences and and everything else is you know, 704 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 4: comes second. Now we have entered with Mercedes in it, 705 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 4: with the GD three car. That's something which we are 706 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 4: looking at. That is our customer program. 707 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 3: Speaking of aesthetics, I think it was probably the best 708 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 3: one in the g T three s. 709 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks really great. Yes, and then there is 710 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 4: the little you know, caveat all the Collanius and of Mercedes. 711 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 4: We are raising people and we don't like bops. We 712 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 4: don't like balance of performance. We don't like somebody assessing 713 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 4: your power, your energy consumption, you wait, your driver's skill. 714 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 715 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 4: And then you know I'm being harsh. 716 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 3: Now it's you that won't survive. I think you're right. 717 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to survive after this. It's 718 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 3: just not fair. 719 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you spend so much time and money 720 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 4: and effort in developing the quickest car and then you're 721 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 4: being put in kilograms of balanced into this car. And 722 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 4: I don't want to be I just want to, you know, 723 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 4: build the quickest car, and Formula one has shown how 724 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 4: it goes. Give us a cost cap. You know, dou 725 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 4: lamt give everybody a cost cap. You cannot spend more 726 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 4: than achs whatever you said thirty forty million, and we 727 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 4: didn't this thirty forty million, that is what. Then you 728 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 4: can do what you want. I mean, still there's regulations, 729 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 4: but nobody needs to bleff in pre season racing or 730 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 4: in qualifying. But it's war, it's you know, gloves of 731 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 4: PA racing. If that was to happen Lemar, absolutely would 732 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 4: you know, it would be something that we would be 733 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 4: looking at. But at the moment, BPE having some officials 734 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 4: judge whether whether you're quick or too quick putting ten 735 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 4: kilograms in your car taking it out from someone else 736 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 4: the next day, not for us at the moment. 737 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 3: Hey man, it's been really great spending some time with you. 738 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 739 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 4: Thank you, and I really enjoyed it. And you know, 740 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 4: it's good to have a chat with the two of 741 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 4: you so enthusiastic about cars. Having been in Lemont. There 742 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 4: won't there wouldn't be many Americans. I guess that you 743 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 4: would have found in Lemont this weekend. So great that 744 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 4: you have been. 745 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 3: There more with Cadillac more right, So. 746 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true, I mean, we love it. 747 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 2: And I know you won't remember, but we last spoke 748 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas at the F one Race in Vegas, 749 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 2: and I always very much appreciate you taking the time 750 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 2: for Bloomberg, So thank you, very pleasure for me all. 751 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 3: That's how we have for this. We'll be back the 752 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: same time, same place next week. Thanks so much for 753 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 3: joining us. I'm Matt Miller, I'm 754 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: Anna Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.