WEBVTT - Maná: Oye Mi Amor

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph, have you ever been on the receiving end of

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<v Speaker 1>a mixtape?

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I'm a loser, and I'm gonna say no, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was someone that I really did give someone a

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<v Speaker 2>mixed tape and he was straight. What did he say?

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<v Speaker 2>He was my brother's friend and it was for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, oh, hey, I really like like

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<v Speaker 2>this some music, and it was it had like songs

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<v Speaker 2>of pieces of me from two I just remember, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a song called Foolish Games and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like with this really heavy like love song, no stop it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that song was dedicated to like him. But there

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<v Speaker 2>were lots of other stuff on there. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only person I ever gave it to, and

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<v Speaker 2>he became a pastor. So whatever, what about you, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you got a whole bunch.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my high school boyfriend gave me a mixtape,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly. I never made anybody a mixtape.

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<v Speaker 1>I would make mixtapes for like cheerleading dances, sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, I never did like a love song mixtape.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, my exoyfriend in high school made me one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I liked him that much, so I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I was like cool, cool, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like totally cheesed out. But I will say there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many good like love songs that could go on

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<v Speaker 1>a mixtape if you had to make another one. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a love song from like the eighties or nineties

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<v Speaker 1>that you feel is just like represents your ALMOI for anybody? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a one that you can call out?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly? No, right now I can't, just because I am

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<v Speaker 2>just getting over a breakup, Like I'm finally over it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to think of any fucking love songs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what one.

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<v Speaker 1>That always comes to me that I cannot forget is

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<v Speaker 1>take my breath Away?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever see the money?

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<v Speaker 2>Not? You bring me back to falling in love? Like no,

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<v Speaker 2>I love taking my breath Away? Wow? I know it

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<v Speaker 2>made my heart warm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is like, and I believe that was like

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<v Speaker 1>a one hit wonder for them, Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that they ever went on to like do anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Many Because they took our breath away, we weren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to sing anything else, if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't breathe again. And I think that there's some

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<v Speaker 1>artists like Berlin who made Take My Breath Away, who

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<v Speaker 1>just can't help but like leave out one song, whether

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<v Speaker 1>their love songs or not, like think about it, like

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<v Speaker 1>George Michael, what was that song that he had, Oh My.

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<v Speaker 2>God, Careless whisper God?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this, And then Oasis obviously with Wonderwall, which in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, by the way, you can still empty

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<v Speaker 1>out of bar at the end of the night. And

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<v Speaker 1>today's artists that we are going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>and what I'm gonna call the defining song for quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote guitar guys in Mexico through the mid nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking, of course about Manna.

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<v Speaker 1>The band who's claimed to fame formed the soundtrack for

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<v Speaker 1>countless teen Romances across the Spanish speaking world.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't get it twisted. Mana aren't one of those

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<v Speaker 2>many one hit wonders of the Nikes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They are hands down the biggest band to

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<v Speaker 1>emerge from the Mexico City rock scene of the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>and eighties, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Rock stardom would come only after a decade of rejection

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<v Speaker 2>and too many lineup changes to count these rock bands.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph like they're always making us meet their new friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, Hey, I've read so much about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, We have covered one other rock artist this season, Santana,

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<v Speaker 1>who of course is one of the defining artists of

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<v Speaker 1>that Woodstock generation and an eventual collaborator of man Nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And wouldn't you know it, Mana came out of a

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<v Speaker 2>similar countercultural moment in the seventies in Mexico. But lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people question whether they're true o genies.

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<v Speaker 1>The band's relationship with the Mexican rock scene, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>tied to age old debates about what rock music even

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<v Speaker 1>is in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Haters are gonna hate, but do they have a point?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get into that eventually, but first let's meet

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<v Speaker 1>the band. I'm your host, Lilianavoscuez.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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<v Speaker 1>A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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<v Speaker 1>how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And given the world some extra tubble.

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<v Speaker 1>Sit back and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we are going in the only way we know how.

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<v Speaker 3>With buenas buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we

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<v Speaker 3>relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find out

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<v Speaker 3>what makes them so iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>It is nineteen eighty in Guadalajara, and in the back

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<v Speaker 1>room of a cit bar a little known band named

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<v Speaker 1>Sombrero ver is playing their hearts out.

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<v Speaker 2>The crowd here aren't exactly fans so much as regulars.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's a bar where they can hear drums and

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<v Speaker 2>electric guitars, they'll be there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Sombredo Verde are just happy to have the stage time.

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<v Speaker 1>The frontman is vocalist Ferrol Vera, backed by lead guitarists

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<v Speaker 1>Gustavo a Rosco and the Gajetos brothers, one on bass,

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<v Speaker 1>Ulisi's on rhythm guitar and Abraham on drums.

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<v Speaker 2>These college aged boys have made the rounds playing weddings,

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<v Speaker 2>baptisms and quintanas for cash. You know, celebration gigs for

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<v Speaker 2>straight least crowds. But the dive bar gigs are a

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<v Speaker 2>different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's where they get to play covers by bands

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<v Speaker 1>that had defined the counterculture of the seventies. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Beatles, the Stones, Led Zeppelin, plus then newcomers

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<v Speaker 1>the Police.

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<v Speaker 2>For the past stay here in Mexico, rock music like

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<v Speaker 2>this has been off limits music yank contrabando, and tonight

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<v Speaker 2>the popo is shutting it down, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at several bars, and just like the regulars are

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<v Speaker 1>used to, a police squad is entering the back room

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<v Speaker 1>and giving Green Hat the red light, ordering them to

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<v Speaker 1>cease playing, back up and go.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a loyal listener, you might remember that Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>Santana got shut down in Peru and deported by the

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<v Speaker 2>dictatorship for playing subbursive music aka music that young people

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<v Speaker 2>liked like.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, we are young. And in Mexico, the government enforced

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<v Speaker 1>a similar policy towards Western rock music for more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade, beginning in nineteen seventy one. In September of

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<v Speaker 1>that year, Mexico's first ever festival of rock music went

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<v Speaker 1>up al festival the Avan that.

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<v Speaker 2>Not long afterwards, Dot popped offs in the US. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine, rock music had exploded in Mexico, along

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<v Speaker 2>with hippie Stea's and the thirst for social change dubbed hipitekas.

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<v Speaker 1>The counter called Buristas of Mexico quickly came under fire

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<v Speaker 1>by the government's Rule Party. And I'm not just saying

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<v Speaker 1>this figuratively.

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<v Speaker 2>First, the government restricted rock bands. Then they came for

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<v Speaker 2>Los Dramaticos. They banned the musical hair.

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<v Speaker 1>No they didn't, they did, Yes, they did, y'all. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like a true footloose moment. The Mexican government banned

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<v Speaker 1>the show after one performance in Acapulco, deported the show's

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<v Speaker 1>American producers, and launched investigations into Mexican citizens involved with

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<v Speaker 1>the production.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this was happening in the aftermath of an

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<v Speaker 2>event that shook Mexico's young generation in nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>La Masatre de Tlatelorco, a violent crackdown at several universities

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico City, which had taken the lives of reported

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand, three hundred and forty five people.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time the Kipteka music promoters were putting together

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<v Speaker 1>the Festival Les Avandro in the fall of nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>tensions were at a high. In fact, another assault on students,

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<v Speaker 1>this time by a paramilitary group, had happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of that year, known as El al Conaso.

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<v Speaker 2>And Festiva la Bando ended up drawing between one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and five hundred thousand attendees. The Mexican government and the

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<v Speaker 2>army were keeping a close watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately, the festival didn't end up becoming the site of

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<v Speaker 1>another violent crackdown, but the countercultural songs and slogans that

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<v Speaker 1>were sung there prompted backlash from church and state alike,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government moved to formally banned certain songs and

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<v Speaker 1>doubled down on the repression of rock music.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the time soon Bredro Verde hit the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>the scene had been driven underground to the CD bars

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<v Speaker 2>and the basements.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to clarify, Sombredo Verte, that was hardly rage against

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<v Speaker 1>the machine, let alone the police.

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<v Speaker 2>There were just a group of cuities with long hair

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<v Speaker 2>singing love songs. But unfortunately all you got to do

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<v Speaker 2>is look and sound the part.

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<v Speaker 1>And the combo of the long hair plus guitars equals

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<v Speaker 1>looking and sounding the part. So Sombredover and their peers

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<v Speaker 1>struggled in the dark, but the band would get their

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<v Speaker 1>first chance at rising from the underground in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when a small German record label named Ariola was

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<v Speaker 2>scouting Mexican bands, and against the odds, Sombrero Verde got noticed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this was the precursor to a campaign called Rock

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<v Speaker 1>and Thuivioma, a major push for Spanish language rock music

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<v Speaker 1>by Ariola later in the decade, when the Mexican government

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<v Speaker 1>reopened the economy and loosened its grip on rock music.

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<v Speaker 2>Aka the Change is on the Way, and for som

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<v Speaker 2>Breta Verde getting signed felt like a big step up.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time, they shelved the led Zeppelin covers

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<v Speaker 1>and penned original songs in Espanol, although they still mostly

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<v Speaker 1>just sounded like the Police.

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<v Speaker 2>The record label put a tour across different regions of

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico and even managed to get them some national TV appearances.

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<v Speaker 2>After toiling away in the backs of CD bars, Sombrero

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<v Speaker 2>Verde saw the light of day. It's like Los Digre said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you banned something, it just makes people want it.

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<v Speaker 1>Except Sombre Verde did quite move units the way the

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<v Speaker 1>label had hoped. Rock music itself might have been sexy,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody knew who these guys were.

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<v Speaker 2>So after one self titled album and one tour, the

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<v Speaker 2>label droppedmre Verde.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did get another chance in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and this time they got to work with Ricardo Maga Yannis,

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<v Speaker 1>a producer who had arranged songs for Juan Gabrieed.

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<v Speaker 2>Working with someone who worked with Royalty like that is

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<v Speaker 2>a step.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and under Maga Yannis Wing, a songwriting partnership blossom

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<v Speaker 1>between bandmates Ferrero Lvera and Gustavo or Rosco. The results

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty three's at Temple de Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>The tour for this album takes them to some of

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico's most iconic rock venues. This time, it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Sombrero Verde is about to pop off.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, hold on a second, That is until drummer Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>Gajetro's hangs up his hat and decides to pursue music

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<v Speaker 1>in the States.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait did they literally wear green hats?

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<v Speaker 1>Jo, So sweetheart, it's just a saying Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to say if that was their look, no

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<v Speaker 2>wonder why they had trouble making it okay. So the

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<v Speaker 2>drummer leaves and his brothers Juan and Ulisses stay in,

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<v Speaker 2>which is going to make it real? Ox years later,

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<v Speaker 2>when Manna hits it big and the brothers all have

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<v Speaker 2>to see each other. Adam much of Whenna, but.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, Sombrero Verde was down one member, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the beginning of the end, It's nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>and an ad appears in the newspaper in guer La.

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<v Speaker 1>It reads, drummer wanted under twenty years old with ten

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<v Speaker 1>years of experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a kind of your child. I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, do the math, like, did you start drumming when

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<v Speaker 1>you were in fourth grade? I mean, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>kids do, but like, let's be real with our expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you, for real, I actually started

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<v Speaker 2>playing the cello when I was like six, So so.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should have been in Mana. Okays, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the deal is sore Verde needs a drummer and fast.

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<v Speaker 1>But surprise, surprise, they're a very tall. Ask in the

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<v Speaker 1>paper does not help them find one. The band's momentum

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<v Speaker 1>SAgs as the day's dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally someone shows up, what at least checks the under

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen box. Alex Bunzalez, a fifteen year old drummer who's

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<v Speaker 2>new in town.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex's Cuban Colombian family had just moved to Guaera Lahada

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<v Speaker 1>from Miami. Here's this little kid with no friends or connections,

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<v Speaker 1>and he impresses Sombrero Verde and the band becomes like family.

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<v Speaker 2>For him, Greenhead lives to fight another day, at least

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<v Speaker 2>until another departure finally sinks the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Gustavo Rosco, guitarist and songwriter, calls it quits and heads

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<v Speaker 1>for university. And it's then that Ferro Verda, lead singer

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<v Speaker 1>and songwriter, also decides to call it quits.

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<v Speaker 2>On what but not on music. Fedu decides to christen

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<v Speaker 2>a new band from the ashes of the old and

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<v Speaker 2>this time he's done trying to copy the Ginghos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't copy the Ginghos, Like, let's not do that

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<v Speaker 1>gospel for life. Right, We're done, he would say. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to evolve the music to make a much more

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<v Speaker 1>original and Latin form of rock instead of copying the

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<v Speaker 1>Americans and the English.

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<v Speaker 2>So fed baby Boy drummer Alex and the remaining Cayta

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<v Speaker 2>brothers Ulyssi san Juan start to make music under the

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<v Speaker 2>name Manap.

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<v Speaker 1>The meaning of the name is well, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic and a little bit kind of like out there

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<v Speaker 1>away no man mis the word mana in the biblical

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<v Speaker 1>sense being mana from heaven, the bread that falls from

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. Remember that when God had to feed the

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<v Speaker 1>Israelies and the second meaning draws from a Polynesian word

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<v Speaker 1>for the forces of nature, or, in Fair's interpretation, positive energy.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted the new group sound and message to be

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<v Speaker 1>uplifting and optimistic.

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<v Speaker 2>But Manett didn't find themselves in a very optimistic situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Before Sombreto Vetda that disbanded, they had once again been

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<v Speaker 2>dropped from their label, but not Tori. It turned out

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<v Speaker 2>a friend from their past had their back. Chila Rios,

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<v Speaker 2>a high school friend of Vettis and fellow musician, brought

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<v Speaker 2>a Sombretto Veda the cassette to her Hollywood music producer

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<v Speaker 2>Beppe Kintani.

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<v Speaker 1>Bebbe saw what label scouts and executives couldn't see and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately flew the band out.

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<v Speaker 2>To Lasm holly Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>And there in nineteen eighty seven, Managet signed to PolyGram Records,

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<v Speaker 1>future home of big name artists like Soundgarden and Ryl Crowe.

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<v Speaker 1>They released their self titled album with a major label.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, Third Times a Charm Babe, Everything is coming up

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<v Speaker 2>from Ane. Well don't you like? Don't don't tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>The brothers left the fucking band.

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<v Speaker 1>More like PolyGram left Latin Music. What the label closed

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<v Speaker 1>its Latin Music division. Shortly after, Mana dropped their self

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<v Speaker 1>titled album, and as with the division, so went the

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<v Speaker 1>promo budget. Mana's debut record flopped.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn these boys cannot catch a break. And let me guess,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Latin Music Division gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Mana are yet again without a label, and this time

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<v Speaker 1>the band really looks like it's on the ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>Two years past without a peep from Mana, not on

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<v Speaker 2>the stage, not on the airwaves. So much for positive nge.

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<v Speaker 1>The bandmates decided to focus on their studies, as Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>Gaedel's had done years prior. Shortly before from Breddoverta they went.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, remember that rock in Duidyoma campaign. It was in

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<v Speaker 2>full swing after from Bredo Verda's former label got acquired

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<v Speaker 2>by a major company, which meant bands like gay Fans

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<v Speaker 2>were about to take off well.

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<v Speaker 1>Mana, after missing their moment time and time again, seemed

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<v Speaker 1>destined to become a footnote in Mexican rock history.

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<v Speaker 2>But their guy in Hollywood wasn't going to take that.

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<v Speaker 2>Shies lying down, Well, the boys of Mana are off

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<v Speaker 2>writing their thesis or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Beppa Hollywood, Beppekindana.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Bepper Hollywood Quintana, the execu who signed Bana to PolyGram,

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<v Speaker 2>gets a new gig, a talent scout for Warner Music.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico, and just a few days later, Beppa's driving down

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>In a shiny new may Bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, okay, definitely not a Mayback, more like a Mazda,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's go with that. Beppa Hollywood is in his

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<v Speaker 1>Mayback making a right turn on a red because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we can do that here in La and he screeches

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<v Speaker 1>to a halt as a young couple cuts across him

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<v Speaker 1>on the crosswalk. He leans on the horn. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>couple turns their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>And look who it is, fair or Vera and his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>They must have thought they hut the ride away because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't turn right on red in Mechile.

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<v Speaker 2>Honey speak, pedestrian. I'm begging you.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone listening to this while driving knows exactly what I

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<v Speaker 1>am talking about. I'm not the weird one here, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph so Peppe pulls over the Mayback, which probably took

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, because hello, Hollywood, if you've ever tried to park,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, jumps out of the car and gives fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and Fed tells Pippitt that he's got the band

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<v Speaker 2>together to record some music in a rented house.

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<v Speaker 1>Also not just any house, Chuck Norris's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Who I don't know who that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I cannot believe that you and I host a

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<v Speaker 1>music and pop culture podcast, Like how do you not

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<v Speaker 1>know Chuck Norris? Like the guy who comparalletl park a train?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that another car? People joke?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a joke for people. Our producer's age. Anyway, Beba

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood drives out to Chuck Norris's Ouls to hear the

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<v Speaker 1>band's first new material in two.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, including There's Soon to be Classic, Riyandro Ressoul and Beta.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood gets on the phone with Warner Music and says,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know new sound you're looking for?

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<v Speaker 2>Well listen to this, And just like that, MN I

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<v Speaker 2>get signed to Warner Music Mexico and Henny I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>shooting looks over at the label. By now, Nubu, who

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<v Speaker 2>did we got money?

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<v Speaker 1>Things are looking up? Mana self produces our second album

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<v Speaker 1>with Warner Music distributing. The album drops in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>and this time m is the same as every other time.

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<v Speaker 1>The label doesn't give it the support it needs and

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<v Speaker 1>it languishes an obscurity for about a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I

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<v Speaker 2>hate that these guys can't just jump on TikTok and

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<v Speaker 2>make a cool video to move the needle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was different times back then. It shows

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<v Speaker 1>you how important media is the success of these bands today,

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<v Speaker 1>like so many people we love would not exist without that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what different times?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember though, the band still has an ally in Beppa Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>so they beg him to tap Warner Music Mexico for

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<v Speaker 1>more support.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead Beiby goes to a radio promoter and hence

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<v Speaker 2>him the single he heard at old Chuck Norris's house, Rayandrosl.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells the promoter give it a chance for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not a hit, throw the record in the trash.

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<v Speaker 2>The radio promoter takes the bet and Ryan Rossol makes

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<v Speaker 2>it FM debut. The next day, Beppa drives his may

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<v Speaker 2>back into the Warner Music parking lot like any other

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<v Speaker 2>day and takes the elevator up to the office.

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<v Speaker 1>The elevator reaches his floor, the doors open, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he finds is absolute chaos. Rayando and Sol had dominated

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<v Speaker 1>the airwaves all morning, assistants are running back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>looking for every promotional material they can find, from anat.

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<v Speaker 2>Photos of the band, bios, one shoot, all the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that was probably buried in the bottom of someone's store

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<v Speaker 2>since they never believed the group would make it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a classic overnight success story, which is to say

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<v Speaker 1>not overnight at all. After roughly a decade of lineup changes,

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<v Speaker 1>flops and disappointing labels, Mana were finally off to the races.

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<v Speaker 2>So Werner Mexicol gets its ass off off the couch

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<v Speaker 2>and follow up singles came quick better than mbarco esto uscandola,

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<v Speaker 2>a hit parade that carried fata More to gold record certification.

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<v Speaker 1>And technically their first international tour. The band played one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twelve dates across Mexico and a one show

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<v Speaker 1>in Keith the Wegubber at a twenty thousand seat stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>When Mana saw that they could fill that many seats,

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<v Speaker 2>the boys were shook. This was a level of success

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<v Speaker 2>they had never.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagined, especially not Fer and the Cajo's brothers, who had

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<v Speaker 1>I Don't Off playing CD bars that were regularly raided

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<v Speaker 1>by police who were determined to stop them. From being

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<v Speaker 1>heard in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>But seeing the crowd before their eyes, they realized that

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<v Speaker 2>they were destined to be heard across the whole world.

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<v Speaker 1>But rising to the top doesn't mean leaving rock star

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<v Speaker 1>Shenanigans behind. I know, then, what's the point of being

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<v Speaker 1>a rock star?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>On the next Becoming an Icon, Mana escapes obscurity and

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<v Speaker 1>crosses musical borders, but not without a little messy miss.

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonodol and Iheart's Michael

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