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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. Today we have

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Speaker 1: the capologist Brian McFarland from Russell Street Report is joining

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Speaker 1: us to break down the Ravens salary cap situations what

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Speaker 1: he could see happening as the Ravens make some of

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Speaker 1: these tough decisions moving forward and much more so. Brian,

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Speaker 1: let's let's start off with where did the Ravens sit

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Speaker 1: right now salary cap wise, because it seems like there's

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Speaker 1: ten different numbers out there about how much salary cap

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Speaker 1: space they actually have.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the problem this time of year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: technically they have about a little under nine million, but

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Speaker 2: that's before we're not totally sure on the adjustments that

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Speaker 2: come from the incentives that were earned last year and

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Speaker 2: some that weren't earned last year. I'm putting that at

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Speaker 2: about four million and a negative. They had a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys earn incentives, which when they're happening, that's great

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Speaker 2: because that means they're performing well. But when they hit

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Speaker 2: the cap the next year, you know, then you're kind

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Speaker 2: of like, oh, that's a big number. So so that

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Speaker 2: four million, there's a workout bonus amount that counts against

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Speaker 2: the cap. Until training camp. So when you put all

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Speaker 2: those together, estimating them, and we don't know Aglar's numbers yet,

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen We've seen kind of a gross number

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Speaker 2: on the deal that was reported yesterday at the one

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Speaker 2: year three point seventy five, but we don't know part

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Speaker 2: of that's incentives, We don't know their void years things

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Speaker 2: like that, so we don't can't really tell what that

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Speaker 2: cap number is going to be. So without that, I'm

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Speaker 2: putting the number at around three and a half three

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Speaker 2: point six million, And that's kind of the starting position

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Speaker 2: because obviously a lot of things are going to happen

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Speaker 2: between now in March thirteenth, when the new league gyear starts.

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Speaker 1: Right, and obviously the Ravens have have begun the process

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Speaker 1: already when they made decisions on guys with voided void

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Speaker 1: years in their contracts. Obviously brought back Nelson Agle or

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, did not bring back Kevin Zeitler, Rocky

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Speaker 1: seeing Genus Stone and who am I missing? There's one

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Speaker 1: another Gus Edwards. And so did any of those moves

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Speaker 1: surprise you? I know, particularly people thought that Zeitler might return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Zeitler was the biggest number there too.

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Speaker 2: As far as the dead money over four million dollars,

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Speaker 2: they could have reduced that and had that the voidiers

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Speaker 2: can stay in place about a million each and then

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Speaker 2: money on top of that. So if he got a

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Speaker 2: you know, a new deal that was you know, six

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Speaker 2: million for the first year cap number, it would have

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Speaker 2: only raised things three million because as of now he's

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Speaker 2: counting four so uh so seven instead of four. So

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Speaker 2: it seemed like a thing. You know, Eric de Costa

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Speaker 2: spoke very glowingly of him at the end of the

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Speaker 2: year press conference, and Zeidler you know, said he wanted

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Speaker 2: to be back too, so it is kind of surprising.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't preclude them from bringing him back. But again

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Speaker 2: there's that kind of three million dollar difference that if

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Speaker 2: you've gotten it done sooner. But you know, it takes

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Speaker 2: two to tango. Obviously. Sometimes you know, the team and

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Speaker 2: the player and his agent just disagree on value and

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Speaker 2: you can't find that middle ground, and you know, sometime

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Speaker 2: in March one side will prove to be right and

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Speaker 2: the other not. I guess if he hits the free

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Speaker 2: agent market or as he gets to that gets the

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Speaker 2: combine coming up and agents start talking and you know,

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Speaker 2: and teams start talking even though they're not supposed to.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get to that point where maybe it

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Speaker 2: turns out that you know, I guess for the Raven's sake,

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Speaker 2: maybe hopefully it is that the number they put out

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Speaker 2: that Zeitler can't get that elsewhere, and he comes back

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Speaker 2: and says, hey, your number was pretty good. Let's get

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Speaker 2: a deal done.

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Speaker 1: Now, could they structure that contract in a way that says,

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Speaker 1: all right, that void your money is going to go

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Speaker 1: to Zeitler, and so your year one like that's worked

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Speaker 1: into the contract.

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Speaker 2: Basically, No, that's dead money at this point, that contract

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Speaker 2: has ended. That money will stay on the cap no

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Speaker 2: matter what. Now, I mean, they can work out to

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Speaker 2: you know, if it's a multi year deal, they could

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Speaker 2: work out that first year cap number to be low

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Speaker 2: as possible to offset that what they kind of lost

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Speaker 2: that roughly three million dollars in that case. But if

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Speaker 2: that money is that four point two six eight million

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Speaker 3: So so, Brian, I think that you know, for every

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Speaker 3: year when we have this conversation, it seems like we

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Speaker 3: kind of start the conversation with the Ravens are tied

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Speaker 3: against the salary caps. You know, that's just kind of

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Speaker 3: how it's been, and that's because it's it's the organization

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Speaker 3: has spent to the cap to try to put the

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Speaker 3: best team on the field, and it's only you know,

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Speaker 3: the cap challenge only becomes more significant when you get

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Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback under contract, which obviously the Ravens were

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Speaker 3: able to do with Lamar Jackson. I guess what's your

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Speaker 3: perspective on where the Ravens sit from a cap standpoint

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Speaker 3: league wide and how and how they you know, how

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Speaker 3: that will give them opportunities to either be active or

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Speaker 3: not active when it comes to free agency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably definitely in the bottom half, probably bottom

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Speaker 2: third of cap space at this point. Obviously, a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams have a lot of work to do. There's

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Speaker 2: some teams that are way over the cap that are

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Speaker 2: going to have to restructure a bunch of deals for

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Speaker 2: lease guys. So obviously the Ravens don't have that issue.

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Speaker 2: The one main issue the Ravens do, in essence have

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Speaker 2: is if they're going to franchise justin Metebique at you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty to twenty one million on that tag, they've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of work to do in that case, because

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Speaker 2: there are certainly restructures and releases they can do, but

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Speaker 2: that's a big chunk of change. And if they can't,

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Speaker 2: I mean ideally get a long term deal done before

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Speaker 2: then and not have to use the tag. Long term

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Speaker 2: deal would probably return a cap number of eight or

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Speaker 2: nine million dollars for this year, which is a lot

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Speaker 2: better than twenty to twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Right, So in terms of clearing cap space, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of go through that. You know, part of the way

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Speaker 3: that you add cap space as you release players, your

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Speaker 3: restructured deals. As you look at the Ravens right now,

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Speaker 3: what do you see as the most likely avenue for

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Speaker 3: this team to clear cap space if they want to

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Speaker 3: whether it's a franchise tag from out ABK, if they

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Speaker 3: want to be active in free agency, how would they

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Speaker 3: go about trying? What are the avenues that they have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the two easiest ones are restructuring Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson's contract. That's what happens with quarterback contracts. They can

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Speaker 2: clear eleven million in cap space. So that's a nice

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Speaker 2: chunk of change there. You know, most quarterbacks don't see

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Speaker 2: the last years of their deal because it gets because

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Speaker 2: they get extended. They get extended so they can they

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Speaker 2: can buy restructuring and pushing money into the future. It's

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Speaker 2: not the end of the world world with a quarterback

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Speaker 2: terrible decline and pay or play. So so I think

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Speaker 2: that that's an easy one because it's also a big

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Speaker 2: chunk of change. So that's eleven million right there. Tis

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Speaker 2: Bowser is probably the most likely player to get cut. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: he didn't play this year. You know, it seemed like

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Speaker 2: John Harball didn't. We either got tired of answering the

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Speaker 2: just started towards the end of the year starting frustration.

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Speaker 2: They never said he's not going to play this year,

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Speaker 2: but they never gave an indication of when he might return.

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Speaker 2: So what that was, what that injury was. But he's

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Speaker 2: only played I think it's nine games out of the

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Speaker 2: last thirty four regular season games, so only nine games

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Speaker 2: at the last two years. It's five point five million

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Speaker 2: to release him, which you know, when you're looking at

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Speaker 2: releasing players and creating space. You don't want to release

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Speaker 2: five guys at a million each to get the five million,

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Speaker 2: because you guys still have to replace five guys. So

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Speaker 2: you want to look at that where you can get

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Speaker 2: the biggest chunks of change, so to speak, and five

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Speaker 2: point five is is a good spot to go. There's

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Speaker 2: some other restructures. Roquan Smith, Marcus Williams seemed like guys

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Speaker 2: they would restructure. Marcus Williams I believe is close to

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Speaker 2: eight and Roquon's about four. So right there, you've you know,

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Speaker 2: between those four moves, you've created you know, close to

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Speaker 2: thirty million or a little over thirty million in cap space.

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Speaker 2: There's still expenses that come along that teams have to

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Speaker 2: be mindful of. You've got your you're obviously signing your

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Speaker 2: draft picks after the draft. You've got your practice squad

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Speaker 2: probably all going to add up to be fourteen, fifteen,

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Speaker 2: sixteen million in cap space, so they need space there

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Speaker 2: as well. So if you look at the matabike, the

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Speaker 2: tag and those expense says you're gonna need thirty five.

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Speaker 2: You need to create thirty five to thirty six million

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Speaker 2: right there before you talk about resigning play other players

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Speaker 2: and then going out on the market. So it is

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Speaker 2: a tight cap. There's some other avenues, some other releases.

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Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley's one that you know, with a fifteen million

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Speaker 2: He's doue fifteen million in cash this year. Seems a

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Speaker 2: little high given you know his up and down last

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Speaker 2: two years. He's still expensive with dead money, but a

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Speaker 2: post June one release would return that fifteen million dollars,

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Speaker 2: which would actually just works out perfectly at offset those

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Speaker 2: to get him to take a pay cut or restructure.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll do a simple restructure where it's

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Speaker 2: just bonus to salary to bonus because that's just adding

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Speaker 2: more money on the next year's cap. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you never know. So they're avenues. They can use void

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Speaker 2: years to create more space, which they did last year.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's going to be something they do or something

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Speaker 2: they needed to do with Lamar on the bigger tag

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Speaker 2: last year, So those are they have avenues, but it's

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Speaker 2: not going to be I don't see them creating fifteen

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Speaker 1: Great, do they need to make those decisions? If you

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Speaker 1: tag Mattabik, do you have to have the money clear

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Speaker 1: at that point to pay for that? Or if you

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Speaker 1: tag Metabik, you don't have to be under the cap

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Speaker 1: until let's say, you know, the deadline comes up for

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Speaker 1: whether he's actually going to be on the tag and

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Speaker 1: getting that long term extension done, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does get as soon as he's tagged, he

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Speaker 2: does technically count against the cap, but you do not

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Speaker 2: need to be under the cap until four o'clock on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: March thirteenth. Okay, so they have time, so they could

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Speaker 2: tag him today and they don't, and that will put

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Speaker 2: them over the cap. But they don't have to make

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Speaker 2: other moves until that deadline.

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Speaker 1: Right, But some of those moves if you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley as June one, so it's not like you

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Speaker 1: can necessarily count on that move if you have him

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Speaker 1: mad to be gay on the on the tag.

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Speaker 2: No, and yeah, and with a post June one release,

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Speaker 2: that fifteen million is not available until June second, right.

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Speaker 1: So that's for your if you wanted to make a

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Speaker 1: trade next season or make a clowney signing Van Noise,

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Speaker 1: signing some of those later deals.

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Speaker 4: That's what that would free up essentially, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's your future expenses, you know. So but they could

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, in theory, they could spend to

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Speaker 2: the cap to that point mm hm, you know, as

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Speaker 1: Can you just talk about generally speaking, you know, Lamar

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Speaker 2: a lot more players willing to risk that playing on

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Speaker 2: the one year So but yeah, so he's going to

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Speaker 2: be here. It's just a question of can they get

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Speaker 2: a long term deal. Can they bridge that gap and

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Speaker 2: find a middle ground that everybody's happy with?

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Speaker 3: And last one for me just off of that, is

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Speaker 3: it kind of we haven't actually at all about Patrick Queen?

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Speaker 3: Is it kind of an either or situation? I mean,

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Speaker 3: certainly with a franchise tag, they have one franchise tag

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Speaker 3: to use. But is there a world in which the

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Speaker 3: Ravens are able to bring back both of them, say

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Speaker 3: they do the tag from out ABK and a long

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Speaker 3: term deal for Queen? Are they probably looking at, you know,

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Speaker 3: Patrick Queen potentially playing elsewhere this upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the only way it could happen,

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Speaker 2: and I think that the odds of that are ten percent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, but I think the only

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Speaker 2: way they have to get them both signed the long

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Speaker 2: term deals. I don't think they because the tag for linebackers,

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Speaker 2: I believe is in the high in the seventeen or eighteen,

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Speaker 2: So it's not it's not that far off of what

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Speaker 2: Matta Bkas would be. I mean, obviously, with drafting, Trent

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Speaker 2: and Simpson last year kind of mentioned earlier you gotta,

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Speaker 2: you know, you gotta let guys go and let your

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Speaker 2: young your draft picks, you know, come in and hopefully,

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Speaker 2: you know, thrive. So that seemed like the move they

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Speaker 2: were making. Then now you know, you never know. They

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Speaker 2: they went a little in directions last off season with

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Speaker 2: a void years that I didn't think, you know, they

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Speaker 2: hadn't before, And part of that was to keep enough

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Speaker 2: money to keep Lamar around if there was a if

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Speaker 2: there was any kind of uh offer offer sheet signed

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Speaker 2: when he was on the tag, but that was something

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Speaker 2: they hadn't done in the past, and then they kind

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Speaker 2: of kept doing it even after that. If they've got

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Speaker 2: his cap number down and resigned, they kept using void years,

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Speaker 2: So I mean if that's going to be the new way,

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Speaker 2: then you know, maybe they can with void years, but

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Speaker 2: restructuring a lot of guys, you know, I mentioned Lamar

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Speaker 2: and you know, and and some of the guys they

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Speaker 2: could restructure. Some of those numbers would come up if

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Speaker 2: they added a void year or two on the end

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Speaker 2: of those deals. So, I mean, that's possible, but I think,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, I think the writing's

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Speaker 2: on the wall there. I did'd love to have him back,

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Speaker 2: you know, it seems like, I mean, he's a guy that,

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Speaker 2: you know, really turned his career around from from the

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Speaker 2: way he played his first two years or so. So,

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Speaker 2: but I yeah, unfortunately, I think that's one that, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's just one of those moves that you got to

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Speaker 2: let the guy go because he's just gonna cost you

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Speaker 2: just too much.

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Speaker 4: Well, Brian, we really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And how happy are you that we didn't fire away

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Speaker 1: ten questions about the intricacies of Lamar Jackson's contracts.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a lot different than last year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's so much different. Yeah, that was I mean,

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Speaker 2: I wanted him resigned because I wanted him to be

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Speaker 2: very order back for the future. But I was very

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Speaker 2: happy that I didn't. All I had to answer questions

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Speaker 2: were then about do we know the details of the

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Speaker 2: contract yet? And what's that going to look like? You know,

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Speaker 2: break it down for the future, know more of what

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Speaker 2: do you think he's gonna get? And he's gonna stay

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Speaker 2: on the Tag's he gonna show up in camp? Is

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Speaker 2: gonna show up for the season, all those kinds of questions. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I was more than happy to and it all again.

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Speaker 2: All sorts of ways to be able to move past

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Speaker 2: that topic for sure.

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Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us, Brian for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check out Brian's work at Russell Street Report.

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Speaker 1: He is our resident capologists here on the Lounge. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate anytime, guys you're.

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Speaker 3: to Brian for joining us. You know, he's the expert

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Speaker 3: on that field, so I always enjoy getting his perspective

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Speaker 3: and hopefully the listeners have a little bit better understanding

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Speaker 3: of the moves that could be coming over the course

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Speaker 3: of the next few weeks. I think that this is

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Speaker 3: an interesting time. I think a lot of this movement

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Speaker 3: really starts to kind of unfold here over the next

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Speaker 3: ten days. The combine is next week. That's where agents

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Speaker 3: and gms started having conversations really kind of at an

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Speaker 3: accelerated level, and the reports start flying out, and I

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Speaker 3: think that a lot of that movement and discussion will

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Speaker 3: kind of come to clarity over the course of the

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Speaker 3: next week and a half two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I thought one of the better

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Speaker 1: points that he made was something I was thinking about,

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Speaker 1: is you look at the Chiefs and then model obviously

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Speaker 1: back to back championships for them, And look at that

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Speaker 1: roster this year, Patrick Mahomes is making a ton of

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Speaker 1: money if Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes and Chris Jones really gobbling

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Speaker 1: up a lot of the salary cap. And then from

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Speaker 1: there on out, you look down and it's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of high numbers on that roster, and it was

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Speaker 1: there a large collection of first, second, third year players

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Speaker 1: that they just hit on in the draft that made

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Speaker 1: a huge, huge difference for them. Trent McDuffie, Karl Loftis

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Speaker 1: Sneid the cornerback, a lot of guys, Leo Chanell linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Just you go down the list, both starting cornerbacks and

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Speaker 1: it's just hits in the draft. And I think obviously

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Speaker 1: the Ravens lifeblood for a long time has been the draft.

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Speaker 1: They've always believed that. But as Lamar Jackson's salary cap

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Speaker 1: number goes up, and when you want to keep stars

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Speaker 1: like Justin Mattabeke, that's going to take up a large

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Speaker 1: chunk of the pie and you just don't have room

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Speaker 1: for many lugs itams. I mean, last year they had

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Speaker 1: the ability to go out and get a Javion Clowny late.

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Speaker 1: Not that it was a huge deal, you know, but

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Speaker 1: they got him late. They got a van Ney, you know,

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Speaker 1: like this year. You know, you signed Marcus Williams. In

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Speaker 1: recent seasons on the free agent market, you signed Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 4: All those things.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that they really are going

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Speaker 1: to be able to. Maybe they can make a modest

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Speaker 1: deal unless you're making a lot of cuts, right, unless

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Speaker 1: you're clearing a lot of space.

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Speaker 4: But even if you clear.

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Speaker 1: A guy that clears up four or five million dollars

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Speaker 1: in roster space, well you have to replace him unless

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Speaker 1: you have the internal replacement on board. And I think

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Speaker 1: for the offensive line, maybe you do. Maybe you bank

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Speaker 1: on a Daniel file Lele for example, Ben Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's the thought, was Zeitler.

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Speaker 1: You don't you have the in house cheap labor already,

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Speaker 1: and you do have to rely on some of these

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Speaker 1: younger players as the as you get less and less

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Speaker 1: salary cap space, you have to and you have to

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Speaker 1: continue hitting on picks to keep feeding that pipeline. So

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Speaker 1: as much as the Ravens have always said the draft

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Speaker 1: is the life blood, I think it becomes even more

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Speaker 1: important now with Lamar Jackson on his second contract. The

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is after the Ravens paid Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: they did not have as much success team wise as

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Speaker 1: they did when he was on his rookie deal. It

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Speaker 1: became harder. Yeah, right, I mean after the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: they paid him and they went to the playoffs in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then an a team. But that was when

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Speaker 3: Lamar took over exact starter. Now the Ravens are already

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Speaker 3: over delivered on that in comparison with which the AFT

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Speaker 3: Championship in Lamar's first year under his new contract. Right,

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Speaker 3: So you know it is it is more challenging, Like

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: You look across the league.

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of teams that have signed quarterbacks and then

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Speaker 3: struggle and it's a challenge to field a great team

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Speaker 3: when you have a very expensive quarterback. On the flip

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Speaker 3: side is the Chiefs have just went back to back

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Speaker 3: Super Bowls to Patrick Mahomes, who's got a big contract.

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Speaker 1: So that's like, well, on the flip side, is you

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Speaker 1: have the MVP. Well yeah, you have to you have

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Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks, right, so that has to offset what

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Speaker 1: the guys that you can't add yes, just the fact of.

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Speaker 3: The matter, which Lamar certainly does. It's like it's there's

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Speaker 3: always this game. It's like, it's much better to be

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Speaker 3: in a situation where you're paying a quarterback a lot

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Speaker 3: of money rather than looking for a quarterback. There's no

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Speaker 3: worse situation than to be looking for a quarterback. The

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Speaker 3: Ravens have the MVP. He makes everybody around him better

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Speaker 3: and you know, he was the biggest reason, a huge

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Speaker 3: reason why the Ravens had the success that they did

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Speaker 3: this year, and I think they'll continue to do that.

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Speaker 3: But yes, they're going to need to hit on these

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Speaker 3: draft picks. And that's something that Eric Tacosta has said

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Speaker 3: many times. He said it, you know, last year, going

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Speaker 3: into the drafts recognizing that the team has paid the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Now you need that. The draft takes on an even

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Speaker 3: greater importance for an organization that already leaned heavily on

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Speaker 3: the draft. So it's going to be critical and with

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Speaker 3: the combine next week, that's where things really kind of

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Speaker 3: ramp up in that regard. We want to get to

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Speaker 3: an email here and as always, you can email us

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Speaker 3: as the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL. Dot net. So

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Speaker 3: we got this email from right yep.

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Speaker 1: Riley Rumberg says, been a minute since I emailed. He

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Speaker 1: had a tough, heartbreaking end the season. To say the least,

624
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Speaker 1: had a very successful season, but still came up short.

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Speaker 1: Nothing to hang our heads about. We can be proud

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Speaker 1: that Lamar has proven again to the world that he's

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Speaker 1: an absolute stud. MVP says he has a few situations that.

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Speaker 4: He loved to get our thoughts on. One.

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Speaker 1: He says very clear that we need to sign or

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Speaker 1: draft a running back this offseason. Who do you think

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Speaker 1: fits our team best, Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, or King Henry.

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Speaker 1: He says his vote is for Saquon, So well, answer

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Speaker 1: that first.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, Saquon bark is a great player. I

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Speaker 3: mean I think he's you can make the case that

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Speaker 3: he's the best running back in the league.

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Speaker 4: He's up there.

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Speaker 3: So I think that it go. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: a question we just asked Brian. I think that it's

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Speaker 3: going to be really challenging for the Ravens to pay

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Speaker 3: big money there. I think that Saquon of those three

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Speaker 3: probably gets the biggest deal, so then he's probably the

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Speaker 3: least likely even though he might be the best player

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Speaker 3: of the three. Henry has been. You know, we've seen

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Speaker 3: it firsthand how damaging he can be. He's a great player.

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Speaker 3: I think that just based on his age, he's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna get us a smaller contract than Saquon Barkley and

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Speaker 3: probably even Josh Jacobs and so you know, to me,

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Speaker 3: he would be most likely from a contract standpoint, but

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Speaker 3: all of them, as Brian indicated, could end up being

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Speaker 3: too much mindy for the Ravens to fit under the cap.

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Speaker 3: I think it goes back to what you said, what's

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Speaker 3: the running back market look like this year?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: If it's affordable, then sure, now we can have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, like Brian said, it's not only the Ravens who

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Speaker 1: have had success finding running backs mid to late in

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Speaker 1: the draft and on cheap labor. Everybody has had that success.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of become the league motto, and that's why

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Speaker 1: the market has been depressed. The Ravens and Eric Tacassa

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Speaker 1: are really good I think at finding where there's still value.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't surprising me if Eric t Coasta looks

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Speaker 1: at the free agent market and says, look, I have

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Speaker 1: a young guy in Keith Mitchell that we really like,

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Speaker 1: but I need a bridge until he's healthy and all

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Speaker 1: the way back.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: So it would not surprise me if Eric and the

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Speaker 1: Ravens look at this market and say, now it's almost

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Speaker 1: gone so far, it's become so depressed that there's bargains

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Speaker 1: to be found with proven players that can can be

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Speaker 1: maybe that bridge to that young player that breaks out,

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Speaker 1: or a running back that you draft. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you want to draft a guy on

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Speaker 1: Day three and say, hey, I'm banking on this guy

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Speaker 1: to be one of my top two running backs this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tall, tall task.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that the Ravens really want

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Speaker 1: to invest a Day one or maybe even Day two

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Speaker 1: pick on a running back when you have so many

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Speaker 1: other needs at premium positions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's just always funny because you can look at it anyway.

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Speaker 3: I think Brian's point is totally legitimate to the Ravens

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Speaker 3: have had a success fining running backs late. Gus Edwards

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Speaker 3: been a really good player here undrafted. Keith Mitchell look

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Speaker 3: like he was going to be a huge piece of

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Speaker 3: this offense prior to that injury down the stretch and

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Speaker 3: he was emerging in a big way, you know. So

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Speaker 3: and just Hill was a fourth round pick, So these

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Speaker 3: are all late to undrafted guys. On the flip side,

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Speaker 3: you know, they also drafted JK. Dobbins in the second round,

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Speaker 3: and JK. Dobbins I think showed tremendous potential before his injuries.

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Speaker 3: So they've done it both ways from an investment standpoint.

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Speaker 3: In the draft, of course, there were rumors that they

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Speaker 3: were trying to make a trade for the running back

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Speaker 3: at a running back of the deadline this year. Not

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Speaker 3: sure if that's true or not, but those were the rumors.

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Speaker 3: So I think that there's a lot of different ways

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Speaker 3: that you can go can go at it. I just

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Speaker 3: think that if it's playing, if it plays out the

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Speaker 3: way that you're suggesting, which is like this running back

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Speaker 3: market is depressed once again, and now you can get

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Speaker 3: great value and you can get a great player, then

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Speaker 3: sure that sounds great. They signed mark Ingram, right, they

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Speaker 3: signed mark Ingram was a veteran player and he came

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Speaker 3: in here and made a huge impact in his first season.

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Speaker 3: So they've gone that route too. They've done it every way.

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Speaker 3: Undrafted fairly moderately expensive free agent, relatively high draft pick

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Speaker 3: in the second round. So it's it's gone every way

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Speaker 3: for this team as they built the roster.

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Speaker 4: Over the past. YEP.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree Riley's second question. He says, we have a

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Speaker 1: very tough defensive dilemma on our hands. The thought of

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Speaker 1: losing Queen or Mattabik, or even both is sickening. It says,

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Speaker 1: which one would you prioritize. His vote goes to Mattabek.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that Madabik's I think I

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Speaker 3: would probably say the same thing. I would love to

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Speaker 3: have both. Queen is they've paid the inside linebacker and

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Speaker 3: rookwand Smith. It's hard to pay pay both. If you're

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Speaker 3: able to do it, great, But I think that it's

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Speaker 3: challenging to pay both two of the top five inside

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Speaker 3: linebackers in the game top dollar. It's just challenging to

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Speaker 3: do that. And so I think that looking at the two,

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Speaker 3: Mattabik probably is the more likely one, and he also

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Speaker 3: has Both of them have rare ability, but Matabik's ability

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Speaker 3: as a pass rusher. You know, at this point of

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Speaker 3: his career, he might be the best pass rushing defensive

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Speaker 3: tackle in the game. He had the most sacks in

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Speaker 3: the NFL this year from an int year pass rush standpoint,

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Speaker 3: So that is hard to let walk out the building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, final thoughts on the salary cap discussion that we've had.

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Speaker 1: For me, a lot of a lot of the offseason

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Speaker 1: depends on what the Ravens are gonna do at offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: To me, are you moving on from Moses and Stanley

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Speaker 1: or are you not? And the interesting thing coming out

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Speaker 1: of the talking to Brian is, you know, Ronnie doesn't

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Speaker 1: really if you were going to release Ronnie, you have

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Speaker 1: to do it post June one. That savings does not

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Speaker 1: help you keep Madabk at all. Yeah, right, unless you

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Speaker 1: get a long term deal done and you say, all right,

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Speaker 1: some of that savings is going to pay for him

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Speaker 1: this year and beyond. But if you don't get a

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Speaker 1: long term deal done with Mattabek and he's on the tag,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to make other moves Ronnie aside, right,

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's a pay cuts as Brian talked about

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Speaker 1: or whatnot that would help with Matt Abk, But if

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Speaker 1: you're talking moving on from him, really that's just the

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Speaker 1: savings for all right, the third wave of free agency

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Speaker 1: or whatever, where the Ravens have gotten deals done right

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Speaker 1: with the clownies of the world and whatnot. That's what

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Speaker 1: that that move would would say free up money for right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's a good point. And I

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Speaker 3: think that you know, it'll be the offensive line, as

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Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time talking about in the

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Speaker 3: podcast earlier this week, I think is going to be

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Speaker 3: a point of emphasis. I don't necessarily know if the

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Speaker 3: Ravens start over at both tackle positions. That would surprise

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Speaker 3: me to some extent, but that is also an area

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Speaker 3: where they can get money, and so I think that,

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Speaker 3: like you got a weigh the money, the two guys

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Speaker 3: coming off of injuries, you know what the projection is,

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Speaker 3: you know, for their their forecast is, for their play

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Speaker 3: next year, it's it's I still think the offensive line

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Speaker 3: is a huge, huge question in an area where the

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Speaker 3: Ravens will invest this offseason, especially in the draft. But

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Speaker 3: I also don't know if they start over at both

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Speaker 3: tackle position there's a risk there as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, thank you for listening. As always, make sure

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Speaker 1: lot of coverage coming up next week from the Combine,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be giving you podcasts from out there, talking

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Speaker 1: about what Eric Takasa and John Harball say during their

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Speaker 1: press conferences on Tuesday, breaking down the biggest takeaways from

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Speaker 1: that and much much more. Garrett'll be out in Indy,

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