WEBVTT - House of the Dragon S3E06

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode Candade spoilers for House of the Dragon

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<v Speaker 1>season three episode six. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Rosey Night and welcome back to Extra Vision, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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<v Speaker 1>and pop culture. Company from my Heart, where We're We're you.

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<v Speaker 1>Three episodes week plus thos.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about House of the Dragon season three,

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<v Speaker 2>episode six and one episode. If you thought a lot

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<v Speaker 2>happened last episode, get ready because there are some threads

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<v Speaker 2>being tied up. Some things are happening, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions for Jason because I am starting

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<v Speaker 2>to understand I think where Ryan Condall is going by

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<v Speaker 2>leaning so heavily into the unknown time with Alison with

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<v Speaker 2>like Alice An, there's a lot of fun stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>be digging into, guys. So let's start and it starts

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<v Speaker 2>off well for the Kristen Cole hayas.

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<v Speaker 1>How su the Dragon season three episode six. We open

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<v Speaker 1>in the river lands and Cole's bedraggled men look miserable,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like stumbling and bumbling through the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>They come to a clearing where they cite a camp

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rivermen, they think, but something strange has gone

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<v Speaker 1>on here. They walk down there and there's already been

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<v Speaker 1>a fight here. There's dead bodies all around, dead animals,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them rivermen. So it's like, who fought these people?

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<v Speaker 1>Who killed them? But the answer is to trap Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the dead men spring up and a fight starts.

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<v Speaker 1>It ends pretty quickly. Cole's guys put it down. But

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<v Speaker 1>Cole realizes right after this that he and his really

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<v Speaker 1>just like a handfully He's got very few guys at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. His handful of men maybe a hundred, two hundred, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Very few not and in the middle of the five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred that we see is like badly any like the

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<v Speaker 2>ones who are ready to fight is like ten. It's

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<v Speaker 2>even bad, yeah, because they're all dehydrated. They've got they've

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<v Speaker 2>got and they've just been They've got leeches on their nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very tough and it's bad. But suddenly Cole looks

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<v Speaker 1>around and they are completely surrounded. It's the rivermen, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the widgew wolves. It's over. Cole still seeking to like

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<v Speaker 1>impress his own personal narrative for his own life, the

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<v Speaker 1>way he wants to die on the events makes it

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<v Speaker 1>I think a pretty courageous offer. He's like, listen, I'll fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll fight you one on one or one on two

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<v Speaker 1>or however many. You know, what do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 1>You me versus Roddy and Oscar, Like we could do

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<v Speaker 1>it that way in exchange, Yeah, whatever's fair and in

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<v Speaker 1>exchange for that, uh, let my men go. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Crazy thing for him to ask after they've

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<v Speaker 2>been going around just killing people with no honor, Like

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<v Speaker 2>christ mind, like you been a like living ghoul to

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<v Speaker 2>this honest and you did a great job. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>in a great job hostness. I do, I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously deep Christian khole hater, but I do think Fabian

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<v Speaker 2>and I do think the writers have done a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting job of kind of showing someone who has just

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<v Speaker 2>been downtrodden their whole life trying to find some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of agency at the end of their life, some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of moral righteousness, and even though he obviously cannot really

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<v Speaker 2>achieve it, I did find this to be quite a

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<v Speaker 2>powerful moment until he pulled that allisents fucking she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even think, I was yelling at the TV. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>she's never even thinking about your name. She liked it, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it blasts for him, like I didn't dislike it

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<v Speaker 2>as a choice, but I didn't like it for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he realizes, like, this is probably gonna be the end.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you mentioned, he pulls out of his sleeve

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<v Speaker 1>Alison's titty napkin that she gave him, and it's with

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<v Speaker 1>the embroidered A on it and beautiful lace napkin her

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<v Speaker 1>favor as they would say in the world, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>about to say something brave when a bunch of arrows

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<v Speaker 1>hit him, including through the face and chest with the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes with the coup de gras being unleashed by Black

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<v Speaker 1>Alleys characters of the river Lands who we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>get to to know through the course of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, that is it's certainly right because they do a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really long shot on her face and I was immediately

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, I was immediately like, okay, this is really important.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obviously how And I actually really like this moment

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's fitting for Coal, like he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to determine how he dies at the hands of

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<v Speaker 2>people that he's wronged, but he also didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>die under the wrath of like Ormond, so in his

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<v Speaker 2>own way, he kind of gets to die the way

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted. It's it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that Black Alley, so Black Alley is

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<v Speaker 1>Alison Blackwood, member of House Blackwood. She is related to

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<v Speaker 1>some notable people in this world. Some of that spoilers

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<v Speaker 1>will say that for later she is, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>this age, I think she's like should be in the

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<v Speaker 1>books anyway, she's like sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say she was giving catnus. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's meant to be like late teens.

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<v Speaker 1>And then definitely, like with the face paint struck me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. For the Skyrim heads out there reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of Ala the Huntress, who is a Nord werewolf

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<v Speaker 1>and member of the of which guild is that the

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<v Speaker 1>Companions which are like these kind of mercenary mercenary group

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<v Speaker 1>that go on like various side quests throughout Skyrim. But

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<v Speaker 1>the face paint really reminded me of that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>she delivers the Kudu grat and clearly he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go down this way, and then the wolves and

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<v Speaker 1>the Riverman Russian and presumably slaughter everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to quickly say about like going back

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<v Speaker 2>to the napkin momentarily. One thing I loved that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>And this might have just been for me or the

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<v Speaker 2>way I read it because I got bad eyesight. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wearing glasses, guys. But like, when he pulls the napkin out,

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<v Speaker 2>at first, it looks like it's an R because of

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<v Speaker 2>the way that the Allison is written. The A at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom has this huge round moment, so when he

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<v Speaker 2>first brought it out, I was like, wait, what And

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<v Speaker 2>then it reveals itself to be the A. So they

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<v Speaker 2>just have so much fun with kind of his history,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just so fucking good. I love this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, very fun. So this is the This battle, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, is the is like the infamous Butcher's ball

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<v Speaker 1>from the books called the Pacher's Ball because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a complete route and christ and Cole dies and

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<v Speaker 1>his men really get just steamrolled the.

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<v Speaker 2>Red Oscar Tully Young Tully because he is Han in

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode who said to the head of the

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<v Speaker 2>winter Wolves. He was like, I will enjoy Christen Cole

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<v Speaker 2>no more. Let's fucking do it his way, Like he

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<v Speaker 2>was the one who came up with this plan. Was

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<v Speaker 2>like this, let's trap them instead of just sending the wolvester.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a tough He's a tough little kid, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love him and Dustin. Oh I wish there was I

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<v Speaker 1>wish there was some other stuff about Roderick and Oscar Tully,

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<v Speaker 1>like an odd couple story arc. Anyway, we go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Keep. The guards find Alison and Helena stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in the stuck in the walls, like like you know

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<v Speaker 1>where they had become lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Like get stuck in that forever, which was my fea.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they might just die in that. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the Small Council. Damon, of course, is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, brings news about the slaughter of the city Watchmen,

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<v Speaker 1>his beloved city watchmen. Raniera meanwhile, wants to know, like

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<v Speaker 1>when is Oscar and Roderick? When will their army reach Tumbleton?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with that? Turns out they've been delayed

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<v Speaker 1>by coal. They obviously don't know that coal is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Damon is like, again, why don't we just burn

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, burn the whole thing from the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck it? Who cares? Missaria is arguing, don't give Ormond

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<v Speaker 1>what he wants the bad pr is what he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to be able to say, see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you support Raniera, you get burned anyway. Sabbath the

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<v Speaker 1>Fray and Lord torn Manderley, on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the table, both come down on the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that says burning the town would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a little that's so funny. I love their addition

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<v Speaker 2>to the Small Council, Like it's peak early Game of

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<v Speaker 2>Thrones where you get these like sassy in characters who

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<v Speaker 2>are both like, oh yeah, I'm sure they'll love that.

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<v Speaker 2>The drag Tory Mantley has this great line where he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, the fire that just magically knows who is

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<v Speaker 2>bad and who is good when it hits, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, that's a fucking great line.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, paraphrasing, Meanwhile, Damon says something like I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from anybody who their battle experience is like

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<v Speaker 1>battling with a chicken leg.

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<v Speaker 2>His head, Like there's no fucking decorum in this house,

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<v Speaker 2>in this meat the Small Council, and I will.

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<v Speaker 1>See to be fair, Lord Torren should just keep his

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<v Speaker 1>mind on economic matters and whatever, like you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>small council. I get it, Alan says. He also comes

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<v Speaker 1>down on the of let's just be judicious. Says, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we wait for the army. We use overwhelming force with

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<v Speaker 1>the army, but it's discriminating. We don't kill the women

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<v Speaker 1>and children and the civilians of Tumbleton. These are your subjects,

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<v Speaker 1>people who again bent the knee to you, but absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>genocidal slaughter against Ormond to the high towers. Yeah, Damon

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<v Speaker 1>is like, listen, remember An go On the conquer the

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<v Speaker 1>original guy. He killed everybody at the field of fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody gave a shit. Nobody cared. So pull your

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<v Speaker 1>pull your big girl pants up and let's just burn

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<v Speaker 1>the town. Raniera then goes, well, my dad would not

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<v Speaker 1>have done that, which Damon does not have liked, because listen,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows you already know. Nobody knows Visceras like Damon did.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a very close relationship, I think, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think Damon really Damon loved his brother clearly, but also

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was soft and can and envisioned his role

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of the sword of the realm, like to

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<v Speaker 1>be the hard ass. But Damon it really doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to think about Tumbleton that much because there are insurgents

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<v Speaker 1>inside the city walls. They have slaughtered his men. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to do about it? Security in the

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<v Speaker 1>city is paramount because Queen Ranier is here, the royal

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<v Speaker 1>government is here. Raniera says, Okay, let's send to Corlis. Alan,

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<v Speaker 1>go to your dad and ask Corlis for more men

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can reinforce the city and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reinforce the city watch guys who have either died or

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<v Speaker 1>have quit. As she's leaving the small Council, she learns

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a contingent of Barathian men here to meet her,

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<v Speaker 1>but not Lord Boros himself. Lord Boroughs continue continues to

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<v Speaker 1>run away from the smoke. Is dodging the smoke. He

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<v Speaker 1>has been requests personally by the Queen in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead he's like, oh, the vulture King. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the vulture king instead. Sorry, the Vulture King

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<v Speaker 1>was highwayman?

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<v Speaker 2>Like who is he in the books? Like is this

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<v Speaker 2>a name that fans are immediately like? Okay? Is this

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<v Speaker 2>like telling someone, oh, I can't come because like there's

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<v Speaker 2>traffic on the one ten? Like is it just a nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Does I mean it's not a nothing. So the Vulture

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<v Speaker 1>King is a dread pirate Roberts esque in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that there were there was like one vulture King, two

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<v Speaker 1>vulture kings, three there was. Right, it's a mantle so

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<v Speaker 1>is a to be fair, very annoying outlaw who was

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<v Speaker 1>based in the kind of red mountains of Dorn region

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<v Speaker 1>that is borders of the storm Lands and was constantly

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<v Speaker 1>raiding into the storm lands across the marches, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is a very annoying guy that said it does not

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<v Speaker 1>require in my opinion, Lord Borrow's personally, but clearly he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't as many of the great houses don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do does not want to get personally involved until it's

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<v Speaker 1>clear which way this is gonna go?

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<v Speaker 2>Does unclear feel like that? Right? So? Can I just ask,

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<v Speaker 2>as a you know, I'm an outsider watching this West

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<v Speaker 2>Rosi news essentially as the insider, how are people feeling

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<v Speaker 2>about that right now? Because I feel like on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides we see that the houses are struggling to work

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<v Speaker 2>out where this is going to land, the daring of

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<v Speaker 2>it all, the venera of it all, even though she

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<v Speaker 2>sits the throne, is this like a particularly unstable time

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<v Speaker 2>right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean it makes it makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's something from the books as well, that the

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<v Speaker 1>great houses, except for the Starks, who sent a kitchener

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<v Speaker 1>sent the winter Wolves, and we'll see if they will

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<v Speaker 1>send anyone else, and the Lanisters, who are directly involved

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the green side, pretty much everybody else's

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<v Speaker 1>is the big houses have stayed out of it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue that the High Towers are a great

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<v Speaker 1>house and all but name, which is true, and Jane

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron has given some money and stuff. But for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, everybody, nobody wants to stick their neck out

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<v Speaker 1>until somebody seems like they're really winning, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>everybody will pile on to the winning side. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like historically, like how a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>conflicts based in the you know, these medieval conflicts unfolded,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's how conflicts unfolded over the course of Game

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<v Speaker 1>of Thrones too. Who's like, people, wait, nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>risk everything.

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<v Speaker 2>To see you before they know. Everyone wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>the second right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the brathyan Men are here and they're like, Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Boris can come. He's fighting the Bulsher King and Rnier's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking piss and she's like, well, you know, I could

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<v Speaker 1>just like execute you guys, because I think you're really annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>This, so just hang you because he didn't come bound.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's and so these nights are like, well, is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything else that we can offer the Queen in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu of the presence of Lord Boroughs And she says,

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<v Speaker 1>give me your belt, which we don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Very mysterious at this point. We'll find out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, because in the moment I had this,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, is this either she's gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>it as like she claimed it, or is it gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be like she's gonna hang him with the belt? I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that would have been pretty brutal. But we will

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<v Speaker 2>learn where it goes, and it goes, we will are

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<v Speaker 2>very fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to Tumbleton Hue, the Hammer flies Verma Thorion

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<v Speaker 1>on a scouting mission and then lands nearby washed Rocks

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<v Speaker 1>have a question mark have they They have a chat

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<v Speaker 1>about well, mostly off monologue is about malt lemon market day,

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<v Speaker 1>the market day, the sound, the bells winging, the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>smell red pie, lamprey pie.

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<v Speaker 3>You know scones, butter scones and a nice Lotte.

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<v Speaker 2>And when just coming out of the bars.

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<v Speaker 3>The breast glistening with ale and sweat. I loved it, didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you love it all? And almost like I'm married?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she was like, I'm married. He loves his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>So but you know, olf Is is basically saying like

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<v Speaker 1>I took it for granted, and it's clear that he's

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrated. They both are, but a more pointedly frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>with what service to the Queen has meant in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like a lot of orders to go do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and not a lot of the breast glistening with

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<v Speaker 1>ale and smell of scones in the errands exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he was like, you know, would you would you

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<v Speaker 1>give it up? Like would you stop doing this? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll clearly would know, would not do that? But wants

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<v Speaker 1>more he does, and I think they both want order.

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh clearly wants more as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the Red Keep, Reania comes to see

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<v Speaker 1>Alison again, and here's where I began to get the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that yes, Rania wants information from Alison and Helena

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe a little bit of perspective from the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>like what what might the Greens be thinking? Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you also get the feeling that, like, this is her

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<v Speaker 1>childhood friend and she's not getting she's not getting any

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<v Speaker 1>traction or support from her small counsel or anybody. And

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<v Speaker 1>you almost get the feeling that Raniera's like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>just talk to my.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends out that fucking like God advice. No, Jason, You're

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<v Speaker 2>so right. There is this great moment here that go

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<v Speaker 2>for the do the recap, and then I'll pinpoint in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment where you are confirmed, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>So she comes to see Alison, and of course she's

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<v Speaker 1>angry about this attempted escape. And Alison, when I when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I snuck out. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>sneak out through my My bedroom was on the ground floor,

0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and I would and especially during this summertime, I'd push

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<v Speaker 1>my air conditioner out of the way and like and

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<v Speaker 1>wiggle through the gap and go gallivanting out into the

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<v Speaker 1>streets with my friends. And one time I was riding

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<v Speaker 1>my bike home at like eleven or forty five and

0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.879
<v Speaker 1>my stepdad drove by me and I was like hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent he saw me, and then I managed to flip

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<v Speaker 1>it in that you know, I got home there waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and I was like, yeah, but everybody else's

0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.399
<v Speaker 1>curfew is eleven o'clock and it's just not fair that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm home at nine. It's ridiculous and everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>out till eleven, like I'm fifteen or little. And I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you, this is what Allison does. Alison manages,

0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 1>manages to flip it. She's like, well, you know, hold

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<v Speaker 1>Ona is pregnancy. I'm what would you do, Like I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>like the position you're in, you're gonna have to kill

0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:50.879
<v Speaker 1>this baby at some point, when he was like no,

0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I do that. Come on, maybe a hostage, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm not gonna kill a child, and Alison's like, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you will.

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<v Speaker 2>You would stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Yes you would, And but Alison then goes listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my fault, not Helene. Is obviously like Helena

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have thoughts of escape, like this is my idea,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna puish anybody punish me, and Rania is like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna increase security around both of you. And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I am fighting your cousins like outside the city,

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like Ormond's really giving me a lot of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, this is like a tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Position, and this is this is where she goes. She

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lists off. She's like, you know, your cousin

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<v Speaker 2>is this, your cousin is that high towers? Blah blah blah,

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and and then she goes to them, you're this, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Allison says that, she goes and what am I

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<v Speaker 2>to you? And then Ranera goes, don't try me before

0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.080
<v Speaker 2>she tells how the room and I was like, fuck, yeah,

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 2>it's Jason. You're so right. It's like the two teenage

0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.320
<v Speaker 2>girls are back at it again, like and and and

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Ranera is so great and well, I mean both of them,

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.959
<v Speaker 2>Emma and Olivia are so great, because yeah, everything that

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<v Speaker 2>Olivia is doing as Alison at this point is defensible

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to us because we care about Helena. She's like the

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<v Speaker 2>one good person. And I love to see Allison now

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>in a protective mode, which we haven't really seen. And

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<v Speaker 2>also it might just be to protect herself, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting and I love to kind of see Raniera

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<v Speaker 2>at this vulnerable backstep, returning to her friend who honestly

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 2>she probably still can't trust. Just like she couldn't trust

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 2>back then. But this interaction is so fantastic. It says

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:27.479
<v Speaker 2>so much about both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Rania meets with Massaria to kind of all

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.879
<v Speaker 1>this recent development, and Messoria, first of all, Massaria is like,

0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.880
<v Speaker 1>what they try to do with Helene's pregnant? What crazy?

0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So she took as she took Allison's advice. Hey, this

0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>is like compilation. She didn't tell Raniera us. She's now

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<v Speaker 2>got this high tower favor that is owed to her.

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I would always right Jason, I overestimated her.

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<v Speaker 2>She is not here too.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing though, now high tower favor. I would

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 1>argue that now Alison has leverage over Missaria. Alison could

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>say to Rania, well, guess what. Guess who knew your

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking mistress of Whispers knew that everything, knew that Helena

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, knew that we were gonna escape Saws as

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.160
<v Speaker 1>we were trying to escape. She didn't tell you, Okay,

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.760
<v Speaker 1>so can you trust her anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>Alison? I'm using that instantly, Like, come.

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<v Speaker 1>On, So Missia pretends that she didn't know, and then

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>she has basically has a guard take care of the

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.080
<v Speaker 1>maid who knew about the moon Tea in order to

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<v Speaker 1>keep her the thread that connects to her, and that

0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.880
<v Speaker 1>she would have known from spreading across the castle, which

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>is pretty ruthless. And again that's just cover your ass.

0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Shit is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>This is terrible. This is kind of my issue now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you were right, Jason, and I had overestimated

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 2>her ability to think bigger than herself and covering her

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 2>own tracks, and that is not what you need to

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 2>be if you're the master of whispers. Like and when

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>she then also sells out another worker to essentially cover

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<v Speaker 2>her tracks by calling her a thief and a liar

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and maybe having her killed, I guess is the implication

0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 2>that's fucking crazy to me. Bitch like you go, You're

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna end up in a bad situation. It's not gonna

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 2>end well for you. I'm sorry, but it's true.

0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Go get me, go, get me some whispers. Where are

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the whispers at?

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had one whisper whispering. You didn't tell me

0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you kept the one whisper.

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<v Speaker 1>No, terrible. Let's see a quick break and we'll be

0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:56.840
<v Speaker 1>back at the park. And we're back. We go to

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<v Speaker 1>the City Watch headquarters. The watchman who survived the dinner

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Massaker come to Damon, and quite understandably, they quit in

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 1>mass it's too dangerous. There's no money in the coffers.

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's getting paid. They're paying with their lives of anything.

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Damon calls them cravens, which I don't think. I think

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.119
<v Speaker 1>this is the time for not even tough love, just

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>pure love I could cause them.

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 2>He tried to do the like to live speech again,

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 2>but that had already worked last time. He should have

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.880
<v Speaker 2>done the like we are brothers with morning, our brothers.

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna protect you.

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<v Speaker 1>I will sleep here in the quarters with you.

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I will be your personal bodyguard. I will do rounds

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.640
<v Speaker 2>on your family's house. But instead this is a peak example.

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've been talking about this, Jason. I would

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>say it's one of our main themes this season, the

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Targarian pr issues between Damon and Renera. They need a

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 2>pre person. They're very bad at it. Massiria could have

0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 2>been it for a little while, but she's not very

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>good at it either. And I think here we're gonna

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>see this episode both again, Renera failing and Damon I

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 2>think making some massive mistakes, not only here, but as

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we will see as he leaves this meeting, I think

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>he's going to make a mistake that's going to change

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the course of things for the family.

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Alan finds Corless, you know, somewhere in the crown Lands,

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the river Lands, somewhere around there, hanging insurgent triarchy men,

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.200
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, Corliss has obviously been very frustrated

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>by political developments at court in his own relationship with

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Queen Rania, so he's gone back to doing the thing

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>he loves, which is just slaughtering triarchy men like Willy Nilly,

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>hanging guys who are men of the triarchy, and it

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:43.959
<v Speaker 1>loves to do.

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Go to therapy.

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, hang them all from the same tree.

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I love it. Many. He just keeps hanging them

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 2>and Alan is like, please, like just do something else,

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 2>like this is kind of creepy, Like what the fuck?

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>There's uh, there's this artist who did woodcuts of the

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Thirty Years War. Wow, that there's a whole collection of it,

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>of which I have a few prints because there it's incredible,

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>incredible like graphic art. This guy's name was Jacques Gulau.

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 1>He was active in the like early sixteen hundreds, Wow,

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and he created this project called legrand Misery de la

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Guerre the Great Miseries of War, about the Thirty Years War,

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>and one of these woodcuts is Le Pendesa, the hanging

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's uh, it's a it's a tree in the

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 1>middle of this the image that has like twenty five

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>bodies hanging, and it reminded me.

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Very very sounds Mary Corlus.

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know Corlis, Alan is like, listen, we need you,

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>we need the we need some vlary on men in

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the capitol all like the city Watch is decimated. I'm

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna go to Driftmark. I'm gonna get more of the guys.

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Will you will you help? Will you lead the guys?

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:13.120
<v Speaker 1>And Corlis is like, no, I'm not. I'm no, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been spurned. I asked one very simple thing for Riniera.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it. And so now I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>murder as many chriochy men as I can find, because

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what makes me happy. My wife is dead, my

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>good son is dead, and my other son doesn't have

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a name, and I'm furious.

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 2>It's so annoying to see him behave like this to Alan,

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>because the thing is Alan is living out everything Carlus

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted for him, like he is at the right hand

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 2>of the Queen. She listens to him. It was his

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>idea to get more Valarian men. He was the one

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>who said there were three score left in the city.

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Like Alan is living a legitimate life of a lord,

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>and Carlis could be there seeing it. He's earning that

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 2>legitimacy from Renera, whether or not she'll give him the

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 2>fucking title. But unfortunately Carlis is stubborn as fuck, and

0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna pay badly for him in this episode.

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So Corlis refuses to go, but he does give Alan

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 1>some important information, which is that Thailand Lanister survived the

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Battle of the Gullet and is headed to Rooks Rest.

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.639
<v Speaker 1>We go to Rooks Rest outside the walls of Rooks

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Rest where Thailand is burying the Janos who Eggon stabbed

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>to death in the previous episode. Laris, always on the mind,

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>always on boats is telling listen, I.

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Found autism for sure, you're right. He was always thinking

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 2>about guess.

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>What I found a Bravosi cog right out of maiden Pool.

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>That we can get on this and we can get

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 1>out of here. We go to Bravos, you know, the pitch.

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I got a great house over there, servants, pile of gold.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.239
<v Speaker 1>We live in the in the fashion that used to.

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great. We just need to keep a

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>low profile until then. Don't go waving the crown around

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Thailand argues this would be a terrible

0:27:59.240 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>mistake for Eggon.

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Leave.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.120
<v Speaker 1>This is his country, this is a nation he's ging,

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and Eggon, still clearly smarting from the monologue that Laris

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>delivered to him in the previous episode, asks Thailand, do

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>you think I'm a tarileman? And then Thailand, in the

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>most unconvincing way to like, he takes a pause. That's

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like pauses.

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>He keeps pausing. I gotta say, I'm gonna can I

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>do a minor hacker? I do think that that is like,

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I do think Eggon's smarting from it. But I actually

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 2>think the reason that he doesn't choose Thailand harrors because

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Laris was honest to him. I actually think he does it.

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>It's I think if Thailand could argue that Eggon was

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>a good man and make him believe it, Eggon would

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>go with him. But I think that he knows that

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Laris right now is like one person who's gonna fucking

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>tell him how it is. Yeah, Thailand couldn't just be like, look,

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you're a shit king, but come to Castley Rock and

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you can make it up to the people. If you'd

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>have said that, maybe Eggan would have gone with him.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>But he knows this is a player, right, this is

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>someone who's gonna play polite games. That's not gonna help

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 2>eggn So I thought this was such a cool scene

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>and also very fun to see Laris really embracing the

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>power he has here where he's sort of bossing Thailand Lenister.

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>He's like dig more and Tyland said, hey, it's free,

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>you can use this. You can use the shovel and

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>then he kicks him in. But it's really fun to

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>see him like wielding the power, the small power he's

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>finally gained over these lords. Very cathartic to see it.

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>So s us it is they are going to Bravos

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>apparently we go to the Veil where, uh, you know,

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Raina is just continuing to be depressed. We just get

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>a moment of that in Sheepstealer's cave. Heron hall Alice

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>is tending to Amon's life to aimen to excuse me

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>after he saved her life from the mercenaries who burst

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in in the previous episode, and he says, it's time

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to leave. I'm healthy and now my strength is gathered enough.

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I need to find Vaguar. I need to find out

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>why she left.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>And and I don't know you anything because I saved you.

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I saved your life. She's like, no, no, no, you

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>got to stay longer, please, like you're not strong enough.

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Actually he's sure about it, and he because and he also,

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I think raises a good point and a point that's

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>probably correct, which is what if it's what if it's

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>a castle.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>That yes, we said the same thing, like they said

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the same something about the castle that is disconnecting them,

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the magic of the castle. Vega's like inherent ferough, fear

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>of the castle. Something.

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Alice says, Well, you know, the land is crawling with

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>cell swords and Queen's men. There's a price on your head.

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to make it with no rest. You

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>should at least sleep and get in full night sleep,

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and then you know you can leave maybe in the morning.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>And then what about this what a vagar flew way

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to protect you somehow? So the Queen can't, OK, what

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>about that? We end that there on the kind of

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>ambiguous ending, we go to the veil. Jane Aaron is

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>just throwing guys at the moon door. We have no

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>idea what they they've done, but she's just launching.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Them and she's like always intriguing, Jess. And I gotta

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>ask you, do the people of the aries the Airy

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>are they do they have like an inherited madness that

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.239
<v Speaker 2>is talked about or is this more of just like

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a cruelty because we have seen strangeness within their family

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>again and again and again in this kind of pension

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>for killing. Though every family has that in this world.

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>We have not. You're right to mention that it's not

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>spoken of. But to your other point, we have seen

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>later members of the Aaron family be quite taken with

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the idea of just throwing people out, wanting them to

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>watch them flutter and fly. And I think, listen, when

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you're raised in this atmosphere and when you're in which

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>from childhood, you're just watching people get thrown out, and

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like and you.

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Literally live kind of above the rest of the world.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>There's no other rules or it is.

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>It does seem like it would be quite a hypnotic

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>site to watch somebody just kind of like flutter away. Anyway,

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>this is what Jane Aaron does. I guess she's just

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>run because there's no TV.

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say business, have agin of Netflix and chill.

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, uh, window, skydoor and chill.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>So as this guy, this poor soul is like, you know,

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>disappearing into a small dot that will then smash into

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the hillside at high speed. Raina is brought to her

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and Lady Aeron is pissed. She slaps Reina and is like,

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought I told you to keep keep your head

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>down high out there flying around. You're out there doing

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff is a violation of our agreement, which was I

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>will let you stay here and you don't ever make

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>trouble for me. You're making trouble for me. Not only that,

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>but the queen knows that sheep Stealer has a rider,

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and now she's looking for sheep stealer. This is a huge,

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>huge problem. Raina then goes onto Wine and winged that,

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>oh you don't know what it's like. Dragon. I never

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>got to have a dragon, and was like, shut up.

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>She says, you had that choice. By the way, to

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>have a dragon rather than a family. You could have

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 2>go with your family.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>That's right, there's little children in Pentos who need you.

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Being by the way to like dotislavery because we don't

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>know maybe maybe potentially.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>And and she's like, listen, stop flying around, shut up

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>playing else. Next time I bring you here, you're gonna

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>go flying. But in a different way. We go back

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to the red keep. Alan finds Baila sleeping somewhere in

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the city. He's is like, listen, I can't get Curls

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to come back, but maybe you could convince him, you know,

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you have a you might have a better warmer relationship

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>with him. They talk about their very complex daddy issues.

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Baylis's father is Damon Turgarian. The vibes are flowing,

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>now what like.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Ry Well, I guess she has like Targuarian blood and

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 2>is very beautiful and is like also like in Lights

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>of the Throne. But it's so funny that both Adam

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and Alan are clearly like vibing.

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not like there's a lot of other I

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:38.919
<v Speaker 1>know women of their statue like they are bastards but

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>raised to the place where they have been raised. It's

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>not like there's a lot.

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Ian just made an unbelievable point in the chat. Those

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>are uncles, Yes, classic Damon Talgarian situation.

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 1>It's targary and stuff. You know, I gonna be.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Honest if I was gonna pick her between Adam and Allan,

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Allan was not the one I would have thought she

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>would go for. But the energy here in the chemistry

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>was so good that I totally bought it. Whereas I

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 2>think Adam maybe reminded her too much of Jace. He's

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>too caring, he's too much like I love you, I

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>want to look after you.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, baby boy soft. Allen's a soft guy. That's what

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>every want to That's what she wants right now. She

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>wants she wants a tough guy, a bad guy, like

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a bad boy right now. He's got

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>bad And she crosses the room and there's you can

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>feel the magnetism and she's looking at him with those like.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You gonna kiss me?

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Like what are you gonna do? Are you gonna do it?

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And then they end up doing it. They end up kissing.

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>We go to Tumbleton, Joel, it's so Peter, Gail. I

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, it's so y a fucking Romance Love

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Trilogy coded. I'm so glad you said.

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 1>That GWayne made it out of the slaughter. He's in Tumbleton.

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>He looks like shit. He thinks Ormond is maybe mad

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>at him for you know, he thinks Ormond is maybe

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>insane from wanting to continue this.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Fight because his version of it has only been through

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the eyes of his men who died with Coal. Right.

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know Ormond's machinations and he doesn't think it's

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>worth while correct.

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Also, he has no dragons. He's very exposed here in Tumbleton,

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>which is not White Dragon, not a militarized city, not

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>a defensible city. Yes they are, they're hardening the defenses,

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't have like the double walls of a

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the great kind of military style castles of

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the realm. And she's got this army bearing down on

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>him and multiple dragons flying around just like waiting for

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the order. He thinks that Ormond is crazy. Ormond is

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>acting like everything's fine. He has the upper hand. Time

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>is on his side because his agents are working in

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the capitol to destabilize the near his regime, and that

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>is working. And he says, you know, a patient gets

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the kid, and Ormond sends Darren to show GWayne to

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>his room and they have a moment, you know, private

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>moment to kind of chat about what's going on. Quaene

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>is like, this is crazy. Everything that's going on here

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>is crazy. Ormond declaring you king is crazy. Darren is like,

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>well you left me head, Like what can I do?

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>You left me here? I had no choice. He minted

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the coin. I didn't know about it. Like now I'm

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Ormond's puppet and I can't do it, like I have

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>no I can't do anything about it.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Can we pause? On that coin? Jason Ormond gave him

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>bangs on the coin. As people have been pointing out online,

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 2>this man loves Head. That is his passion. His passion.

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>He gave him a bob he give me. It's just

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it's more, I guess more kingly to have the bob.

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>You want to see the face.

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>You got to see the face, but you need to

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>frame it. And Ormond has about that.

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I think like I think early you know, metallurgists and

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>metalworking artisans. I think of this period the you know

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>it's below two hundred and forty p resolution on a coin,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's like forty forty P resolution free p and

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think they have the ability.

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>To put too much detail, like you don't need to

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>put the ball like it's just his face as fine,

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>But that's just Ormond. He's a detailed, friendly guy, he is.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But Luckeen, as we'll find out, Gween is more detailed

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 2>focus thank god.

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Gween tries to tell Daryn to just refuse Ormond,

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:32.240
<v Speaker 1>which is ridiculous.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's not going to work. What's he gonna do.

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna kill it.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you don't understand what's going on around here?

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Who will protect me? I don't have a force sworn

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>to me on my own. Of course, Darren understands. He's

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a very realistic kid. He understands that the chances of

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>him actually ascending the throne are like nil, Like he's

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he very low that he survives this conflict and almost

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:58.720
<v Speaker 1>zero that he ascends.

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>He's a pawn and Hi Tower war for power.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>GWayne believes that Ormond is marching the family, Darren and

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>himself and all these men to their destruction. He doesn't

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>see any way that this succeeds. And GWayne is like,

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about going back to old town and just

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>leaving and Darren's like, no, you have to stay, don't

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>leave me with him. It's a very very heartfelt moment.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 1>He's like begging.

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Wayne to stay, and then he's just a kid.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>He's just a kid, and he's like, have you seen

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>my mother? And it's quite heartbreaking. You know, Darren hasn't

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>seen his mother in years, so and to hear him

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>see him pining for his mother.

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I would say I didn't really know where they were

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>going with the GWayne plot line, Like I thought he

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>was an interesting foil for Kristin coal, but after Kristen died,

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I sort of kind of would okay. I actually thought

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>that the kind of duality between the way he spoke

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>to Ormond when he first arrived and getting to see

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 2>that hired fatigued realization of like a soldier who's fought

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and to see how disconnected the leadership is. But then

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to have that great moment where GWayne talks to Darren

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>as his uncle and is like what the fuck is

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>going on? I felt like, oh, okay, everything they did

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>with gwayn led to this, like he is our in character.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Once we get to Ormond, he is the one who

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>is letting us know, like, oh yeah, this is as

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>crazy as you think is Like even his family knows

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 2>this is a fucking insane play. But there's nothing GWayne

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>can do about it. Like he's beaten down, he's broken,

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 2>and he's willing to leave this. I mean, how old's

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Darren at this point, like fourteen, yeah, years old.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>We go to the Red Keep. Helena is not eating.

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Allison is, of course worried. Helena is, you know, just

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 1>anxious about everything, anxious about your hair. She understands that

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Allison lied about that. Oh yeah, Yourhara is going to

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>join us on the escape of the time. We're gonna

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>send for her. She's gonna come later. She knows that

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>that was bullshit. Allison is like begging Helena to eat,

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and she really in that moment as she's there having

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>this conversation that Helena is like knitting this huge tapestry,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like the Bayou tapestry. M And you know, we understand

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that Helena, because she has she's a dreamer, she's a dreamer,

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that there must be some meaning.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I also want to say, Jason, do you think the

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>implication here is that obviously it's not exactly because we

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>only see a part of it, and we know that

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 2>part is not something we've seen in the credits. But

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>is the implication here that Helena is maybe the one

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 2>doing the tapestry that we see at the opening credits,

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 2>because it looks very similar with the color choices and.

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, shapes.

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's I'm going to be so excited to

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>see if we see the moment that kind of breaks

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>this episode in the credits for the next episode, that

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:44.800
<v Speaker 2>would be pretty special.

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we go back to heron hall. Amon is going

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to leave. He's getting on a horse. He's like, getting

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>out of there. Alice is like, no, no, no, no, no,

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>hold on.

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.479
<v Speaker 2>She actually kills a kid who sees him to prove

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>her loyalty. She's like, I will protect your fucking identity

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 2>from an eleven year old horseboy.

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I have something to share with you

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 1>that maybe so you will say. She brings out this

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>crate five eggs laid by the dragon dream. This is

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the Dragon of Raina targeting the older Raina Targetian and

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>older Rayna, who uh kind of lived out her final years.

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 1>This is from years past in isolation at heron Hall

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and I will say whose eggs? Many book readers have surmised,

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>are the eggs that eventually get to Denarius? Okay, this

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>is because they disappeared. They it was noted in the

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>in the annals that these eggs disappeared.

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the biggest question I have for you, right,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and this is kind of what I was teasing in

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 2>our intro. Is obviously when she reveals that it is

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 2>very much a similar reveal. This is obviously not something

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>that we know about Aimond and Alice's time together, but

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>this feels like why they're leaning so much into the

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 2>unknown time at Haaren Hall. Right, So is this we

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know that Alice gave aim and these eggs in

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 2>the books? Right, That's not in there.

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not in there.

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's why I think it. Yeah, Okay, Jason, Another question,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>is there a version of this where the eggs are

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>This is not how I read it. I think that

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 2>she's being honest. I think what she pictures to him

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>here is true. But is there a version that the

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>eggs are just a vision of the magic of Haaren

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Hall that she's using to like manipulate him, like she

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually have them, or those are not the real

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>eggs or she's using a vision to kind of she's

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 2>hiding the real eggs. Like what do you think because

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>this feels like a huge reveal.

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Don't no, this is not this is this is not

0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>real something. This is real. This is not something in

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the book. So yeah, it's interesting. So you know there is.

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Because I saw the eggs. It was just like, oh

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>my god, Okay, this is what this is. How you

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 2>connect it, this is what you've been leading to. But

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 2>it feels huge to just kind of drop that. And

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>that's why I was wondering, this is not.

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 1>That, this is this is not in the book at all.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 1>So it from the books rained Targary and this is

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>like first century Targarian rule, like year forty nine. Had

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a friend named Alyssa Farman and they were kind of close,

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and there was two other people they were very close

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.280
<v Speaker 1>with them. They would ride the dragon dream Fire together,

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>very very close, and at some point Alyssa left it

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 1>took the dragon eggs and disappeared. So it has been

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.399
<v Speaker 1>it's been, it's been wondered about, like are these the

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>eggs that get to Denari's And if they are, then

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened to the other two? Because there's we see

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>five here, So it's very interesting. This is a this

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>is a very tantalizing moment. So Alice reveals the eggs,

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>says they've been hidden here for one hundred years, which

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the math checks out. That would that would be right

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>for if they are indeed rain At Targarian's eggs taken

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>by Alisa Farman. Alice says, here's the pitch. We stay

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>here as a team in Haron Hall. Hatch the eggs.

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 1>We have our dragons. You don't need Vagar anymore. Now

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 1>you've got five dragons, and we can build on the

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>ancient magical strength that is here in Heron Hall. Let everybody,

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>gods and everybody else turn their backs on us. We

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>will build our own fortune here.

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. She I was gonna say, she has that great

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 2>moment where she says, I'll be the lady of the

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 2>water and you can be my dragon. Lord. Very Arthurian,

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 2>this kind of notion that she will become the protector

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 2>of the waters of Haaren Hall. Then, you know, I

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the idea that they would be this

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>almost romantic haunting couple that would kind of stop people

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 2>coming to Haaren Hall, and they'd almost be more like

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 2>phantoms than real. It sounds very cool. If I was aimant,

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 2>he's had a shit life. She in a great pitch,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.240
<v Speaker 2>sounds very good. Have a girlfriend, have a mother figure,

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>have sex with someone, consentually kill people when they show up,

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>have five dragons. I mean it sounds good to me. Like, well,

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I barely ever done for.

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 1>You now the dragons, of course, it would take a

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>long time for them to grow up in mature but still, yeah,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I agree, it's a good pitch. We go to the

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Red Keep the Throne Room. Veraniera is meeting with her petitioners.

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 1>She's blaming the entire economic situation on Torn Mandrly, master

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of point. She's like, listen, take it up with Torn Manderly, Like,

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I I don't know what to

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>do to tell you. One of the Silent Sisters comes

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 1>to the front and brings news that one of the

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Silent Sisters was assaulted, and the Queen's like, well, I'll

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 1>light a candle for her.

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>That's just terrible, babe. She's like, I'll do it next

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.839
<v Speaker 2>time I go to the set. Then everyone goes, they're

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>like what do you mean. They're like, these actually assaulted

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and kidnapped, like do something about it. Cobab Babe.

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Another complains that the city watchesn't around, they've left their posts,

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and the queen is like, well, listen, I've petitioned for

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the Valarian army to come back and take up their posts.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>No one is satisfied with this, and the queen is like,

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>meeting adjourned, she leaves it. As she leaves, she cuts.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Her just before she and we start to get that idea,

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 2>like you said, from the books of this, like is

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 2>she meant for the throne? Also, very interestingly, we kind

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of get that overwhelmed feeling again of it's almost like

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Ranera as a child, was told she would be on

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the throne, and once she's back on the throne, she's

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 2>back in that child like mentality. It's like she doesn't

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>know how to rule, nobody actually taught her right, and

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 2>she's just suddenly so over one. I mean, she just

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 2>fucking storms out. I've never seen her like that.

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Her saying in response to news that a silent sister

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>has been attacked is like, yeah.

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll pray for her.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll pray for her.

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Present so sad, so bad.

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Damon is a one man gold cloak cadre. He's in

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 1>gold cloak uniform walking around trying to draw out Rmon

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>spies and it works. He manages to ambush one of

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>these attackers. The main guy puts a knife to his

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>throat and is like, you know, how many? Where are they?

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Who are they? The man you know is clearly very

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>very committed to this mission. He says, listen, we're everywhere.

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>We will never rest. We will kill you all. We

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>won't rest until Daryn takes his rateful place. You see

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the coin. I love the coin. I need to see

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>him on the on the throne, and we won't rest

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 1>until he's on the throne. Damon kills him. And on

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the way out after killing this guy and just like

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>leaving his body.

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>He are Crisis Jason here.

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Crisis leaves this guy's body in an alley, which I

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>would I would think that you would want to like

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 1>put his head on a spike and be like, look

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>what we're doing.

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like if I was them, I would

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>put it on a spike and then I would do

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 2>some graffiti that was like the people for Queen Reniera,

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I'd pretend it was like other people against them.

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>So like if there were supporters. But he is on

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a high. He's making stupid choices. He's not being a strategist.

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 2>He's letting his emotions lead him and Jason. I fear

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 2>that this goes along with me with Renera not just

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 2>legitimizing Callus's kids, because I think she should have done

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.399
<v Speaker 2>it diplomacy wise. This is going to be up there

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>for me with that. Choices that these two make this season.

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Well that yeah, I mean the next choice that he

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>makes is perhaps the most devastating, right, maybe you could

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>argue that it was justified. He runs into Alf as

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 1>he's leaving where he killed the guy, and he's like,

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing here? You should shouldn't he be

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>in the Red keep like underguard, Like why are you

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>walking around? And ELF's like, well, you know, I'm just

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>going to the tavern or whatever. I'm taking the air.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, a man needs his pleasures. Damon beats this

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>guy's ass in the street just like and she just

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 1>absolutely humiliates him in front of everyone and then says,

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>set footing in the city again, and I'll put out

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>your eyes and we know that this is not gonna

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 1>go an.

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I gotta be real. I think that this undermines Damon's

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 2>own understanding and representation of what the Taugarians are, because

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I think he is forgetting that Ulf is a dragon seed,

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and I think I think that by doing this, it

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 2>really not only obviously is terrible diplomacy. Off's gonna betray you,

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Like that's just so obvious at this point, but not

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>just that you are literally like I get that you're

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 2>meant to be the more powerful dragon, but you're kind

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.799
<v Speaker 2>of showing that he's just a human right, like he's

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>it's weird to choose to put him in his place,

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 2>because that, to me is like a dragon rider under

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the boot of another man, Like it just doesn't look strong.

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a bad choice on every level.

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. We go to Tumbleton, Hugh steals.

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 2>A wagon, talking of bad decisions.

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I assume Ki kills just like a regular, definitely takes

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the wagon, sneaks into the city. Meanwhile, Ormond is having

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>dinner with Darren GWayne. They're talking about various hands of

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the King. Ormond is like Corlus those really.

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Is a dirty bitch, But have to admit that Corlis

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 3>was a good choice.

0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and shit about like he's well bread, he doesn't

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>have the I like, I actually interestingly in great writing

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>here for me, because you basically get Ormond saying something

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 2>that is unfortunately very true in the case of what

0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 2>is going on right now with Olf and with you,

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 2>which is the notion of like a striver, right, what

0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 2>will they do for the power that they need to

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 2>protect their family? You can't trust them, whereas someone like

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:28.120
<v Speaker 2>carll Us at least allegedly follows these kind of loyal

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>rules of the higher ups, right, and isn't going to

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 2>stab you in the back allegedly. I love this cut

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 2>because Ormond fucking sucks, but it's also just true in

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 2>that moment. It's fucking true.

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 1>So he's you know, Ormond has a high opinion of Corlis,

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 1>which is correct. But dinner is interrupted when men come in.

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Brathian men seemingly the ones that are there, seemingly the

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>ones that met with Rinia, but it's hard to tell

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 1>because they are so covered in shit stinky. They're like

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.959
<v Speaker 1>covered head toe in horseshit and mud.

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Ormond is just like somebody told Granera that Ormond was

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a sis tipped to poop smells.

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Ormond is like staggering from the from the stitch.

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I will say, you know, good boy. Women, if I

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.239
<v Speaker 2>was like your nanny in the sept or whatever, I'd

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:24.879
<v Speaker 2>be like, you did a good job. Because he does

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 2>say to them, well met, he manages to get that,

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.879
<v Speaker 2>he manages to choke and runs away. Well man, he can't.

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>He can barely concentrate. Meanwhile, GWayne immediately understands that this

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is some sort of trick and he, along with Bull

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>John Roxton, swinging to action and kind of just like

0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:49.720
<v Speaker 1>unilaterally slay these these interlopers. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the city,

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Hugh finds his wife. It's like, babe, babe, babe, I'm here,

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I got the dragon outside, I stole the way. Let's

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>get out of here. Let's let's go, go go. She's like,

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>first of all, where you men, I've heard nothing from you.

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:05.319
<v Speaker 1>You don't understand what we've been going through. Do you

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 1>understand what like women alone, yeah, on the road have

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to deal with.

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 2>And she's also like, you did all this for a

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 2>fucking dragon, Like that's what this is for. You think

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I care about fucking money? Like we were happy before.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Fuck you TLDR. She doesn't want to leave no elsewhere

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>GWayne and Ormond later on GWayne and Ormond watched Daryn Train.

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Ormond apologizes to GWayne. He's like, maybe, cousin, maybe I

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 1>treated you a little same, thank you for thank you

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>for saving my life from the shit stinking men. And

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 1>by the way, if you want to go back to

0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>old town, go ahead. I will hold I will not

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 1>hold it against you. And Queen's like, why are you so?

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What do you have planned? And Ormond just kind

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of smirks because saying.

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I also want to say, I love that The reason

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that GWayne knew that it wasn't the Barathians is because

0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.319
<v Speaker 2>like he didn't want to fuck the guy who said

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.520
<v Speaker 2>he was Arian Bathian and he was like, nah, he's

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 2>way more commonly usually a nice.

0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 1>None is handsome.

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Not here's the other one. That's how he's like perfect.

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I also love in this moment. I feel like, you know, GWayne,

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 2>he's got the name, that's the classic Arthurian name, right,

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.720
<v Speaker 2>He's the he's the hero. I like him. The moment

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that he gets what Ormond, he gets what he essentially

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.360
<v Speaker 2>told there and he wants, which is like the approval

0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to go back to old town. But in that moment

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 2>he understands the Ormond saying that is a red flag,

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and he kind of has this moment of okay, but

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 2>what's the real plan? And I love that because you're

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of seeing that heroic flame lit back inside him.

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 1>In the red keep, Allison goes Unira to beg for,

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Helena, and have freedom of the castle. She's

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>she needs that for her mental health. In return for that,

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I know where Amond is. By the way,

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I've been hiding that the whole time.

0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, babe, you're doing such a Allison, you

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>should have just you gotta be like, I just know.

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.080
<v Speaker 2>I just found out right now, right the second. And

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know before. I promise.

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Amon's and heron hall. I've kind of been keeping

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that my hat. And Raniera is like, yeah, but Vagar's

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>not there, like we've been looking there. And Alison is like, well,

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>what you know? I said my.

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Son, Amon didn't say fuckinggo do I know?

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Because Helena has been having dreams about it. Raniera goes

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>like like, stoo, literally.

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny too, because Alison obviously tells her and

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 2>says it sounds crazy. You're not gonna believe me. But

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't obviously know like Vissiri's didn't really tell her

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.799
<v Speaker 2>about the history of the Talgarians and the Dreamers. I

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 2>love the Scooby Doo pulled Jason because she really is

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 2>like that. She's like, who do yeah, like when she's

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:50.360
<v Speaker 2>a Dreamer, hold on us say now, Waitra is.

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Extremely interested and you can see the wheels training. How

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>can I turn this to my advantage? And she develops

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a new plan now, which is use Alison to somehow

0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>lure Aimond out of heron Hall or something like.

0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think, yeah, it's it's unclear. I think essentially

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>she wants to send Alison with a sword who can

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 2>then kill Aimond.

0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>She wants to Alison is going to go to heron Hall.

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>That much is clear. Allison does want to.

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I get what choices By the way, Jason another incredible

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 2>part of why I feel like Condor and the team

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:37.280
<v Speaker 2>are leaning into this unknown time with Alison Aimond, because

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 2>obviously Allison didn't go to Haren Hall in the books, right, Like,

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be another section that we're going

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 2>to get to learn about through the show, which I

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 2>think is very exciting.

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>So Alison goes to Lenna's like, listen, I am going

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:56.400
<v Speaker 1>somewhere so you can refree, okay, and you need to

0:57:56.400 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of this chance I'm giving you. Just grab

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it with both arms. Helena, meanwhile, once is like really

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.560
<v Speaker 1>thinking about like the path that brought them here, why

0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.440
<v Speaker 1>do you marry me to my brother? And Allison's like,

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 1>you know that was my father, you know that's what

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what, That's what my dad wanted. The Sarah's agreed

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:22.120
<v Speaker 1>with it. What are you gonna do?

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>She's also kind of like, and I knew what she

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 2>really admits is like and I kind of allowed it

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 2>even though it was gross, because then you'd be here

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'd be able to see you.

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 1>She Helena finally eats, and you get the sense that

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 1>she has made her mind up about something.

0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Whatever she's planning is not Allison's plan, Like she realizes

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>in that moment that she has to do this for herself,

0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever version of her, And obviously I would assume may

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 2>law is growing in her belly. She is deciding to

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:56.520
<v Speaker 2>protect them over whatever scheme Allison has, and ironically I

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.040
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be surprised to see. I hope she chooses someone

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.920
<v Speaker 2>more trustworthy, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Helena

0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 2>tried to enlist massari Or in whatever she does next,

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 2>because he was the first person who's like turned on

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Nera in front of her.

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Allison heads off on this mission crazy meanwhile, or While

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 1>brings news that she brings news that there's a bloody

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 1>shortcoat that has like arrived, which means that the attempted

0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:27.720
<v Speaker 1>assassination on Ormond has failed. We go to the river

0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 1>lands where Corlis is just watching the bodies swing from

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the tree in the evening breeze. He's drinking his ale

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and having a grand nostalgic. He's like, maybe I love,

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:39.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm.

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Hanging off men.

0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 1>He makes a speech to his men, telling him like

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:47.640
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff the blades are needed in this city.

0:59:47.960 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 1>But shortly after that, Bold John Robson's really getting around

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:57.680
<v Speaker 1>emerges from the shadows and captures Corless.

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.040
<v Speaker 2>It is a capture, right, because I feel like it.

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a kill, but I think it's a fature.

1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a capture. Let's see a quick break and we'll

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:21.240
<v Speaker 1>be back to discuss the SubCom and we're back.

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Why did you bang off? This is definitely getting to

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the kind of like season four or five Game of

1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Thrones where every episode has like really six or seven

1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:40.560
<v Speaker 2>like major kind of peace moving moments, and I love it.

1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Your computer is just telling me like thumbs down. It's

1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>like you suck. This thing's terrible. No, I don't know

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.680
<v Speaker 2>what it is. It's just that weird apple thing. It

1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:48.600
<v Speaker 2>was really funny.

1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot here to to really grab a

1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:57.360
<v Speaker 1>hold of it. I am still like kind of mesmerized

1:00:57.480 --> 1:01:00.200
<v Speaker 1>by the five Eggs reviewal.

1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 2>That's my biggest takeaway.

1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:06.040
<v Speaker 1>No mention of alyssa farman who steals the eggs and

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:11.919
<v Speaker 1>makes off with them. But it certainly seems to be

1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the original Raina Targerians Dreamfire eggs. So that is quite

1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:22.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting and a wonderful kind of thread to connect to

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Denaries Diaberi in and again makes you wonder, like what

1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>happened to the other two eggs? Is the three were

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:28.840
<v Speaker 1>on their way out.

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.960
<v Speaker 2>There, That's what I'm wondering. Also, I would like to

1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.160
<v Speaker 2>ask this this is obviously like sorry to put creators.

1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:36.320
<v Speaker 2>That's going to make you grown, especially because George is

1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:39.160
<v Speaker 2>a king of multiple naming. But I mean, is there

1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:43.360
<v Speaker 2>a version where Alice Rivers is Alyssa Farnham and stole

1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>them and then went to Harron Hall and got cursed

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:48.280
<v Speaker 2>for stealing them, and that's why she is stuck there. Now.

1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:50.480
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of this witch like is there a version

1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:53.080
<v Speaker 2>of that or is this just the classic George does

1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:57.600
<v Speaker 2>similar names, because obviously this is Ryan's adaptation at this point.

1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I would I would very much doubt that Alissa Farman

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was from the Westerlands and from fair Islands in the

1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Sunset Sea, Okay, the infamous sea that you can sail

1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>west and you just keep going and you never find anything.

1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:20.240
<v Speaker 1>And Alice is too connected to Heron Hall and the

1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Riverlands cultures and true true, and it I guess there's

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.439
<v Speaker 1>a world in which if Alissa Farmon has been here

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.600
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred years, that she would learn that stuff.

1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:32.480
<v Speaker 1>But I just I don't yes, since that at all.

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, what do you think now that we've had

1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the reveal? Do you think that this is about more

1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:43.320
<v Speaker 2>for Alice than just Haaren Hall, or do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it truly is about securing Haaren Hall and the Riverlands

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<v Speaker 2>for herself as like a safe place to just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of exist without the constant interruptions of men kind of

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<v Speaker 2>circy ish, like, what do you feel like, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think she has bigger canations or it's that personal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about heron Hall somehow, but we don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's she's been singularly focused, whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>Damon in the previous season Aimon now she wants Gary

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<v Speaker 1>in here. She and she wants someone to give her

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<v Speaker 1>the castle like she tried to get it from Damon.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she's hoping that with Amen they can just take

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<v Speaker 1>it by force, with like hatching these dragons and just

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<v Speaker 1>staying there and building some kind of rogue kingdom like

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<v Speaker 1>they're on their own. But whatever the case, she wants

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<v Speaker 1>heron a why we don't know yet, but she wants it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that much is clear. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do. I agree. I think there's something very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting about how much she wants it, and she talks

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<v Speaker 2>of this ancient power, but she doesn't seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>the ambitions of other people in wester Ross, where she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't even have a Denari's style ambition of breaking the wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that it is about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>also am interested somebody who just loves like fairy tales

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<v Speaker 2>and folklore and stuff. I wonder if there is a

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<v Speaker 2>version where she almost like is Haroen Hall, Like she

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<v Speaker 2>is the spirit of Haroen Hall personified or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>that in itself is the curse to live as like

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<v Speaker 2>the horrors of Haaren Hall. I don't know. I love

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<v Speaker 2>her character, and I think like the expansion for me here,

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<v Speaker 2>especially playing with Amond, who is just such an intriguing

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<v Speaker 2>and like villainous character but also so complex, is really

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<v Speaker 2>broadening out the potential of the magical aspects of the

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<v Speaker 2>show in a way I wasn't expecting. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>connecting that to the dragon's eggs is really really interesting. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we get that moment where Amon says it's warm, the

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<v Speaker 2>implication being that the egg he can feel it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is that an alice uh kind of implication or like

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<v Speaker 2>magic to make him imagine what could happen? Or do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that they are implying that with the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them and the power of Haaren Hall, he could

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<v Speaker 2>maybe speed up hatching the eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, I'm not sure. Well, you know, dragonings are just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hatching regularly there, Like, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>True, It's not like Denari's times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet it's not seen as a whatever the recipe is

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<v Speaker 1>for hatching them, whether or not the Targerians know what

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<v Speaker 1>that process is, they are just simply hatching during this

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<v Speaker 1>period in time. So I don't think. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Amen would consider it difficult at.

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<v Speaker 2>All to hatch, at least even if it was at

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<v Speaker 2>least like four or five or three or five of

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<v Speaker 2>the eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he would think would probably hatch. Should we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Massaria, who continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, let's talk about some strategic players, Jason. We

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<v Speaker 2>can start with Massaria for sure. I think she's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be out at this point. I've joined the team.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm draft to kick her out make of the Janets

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is. She does not have the juice.

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<v Speaker 2>The one whisper she did get, she didn't give it

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<v Speaker 2>to you on.

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<v Speaker 1>Her I think her whole. I think her ability to

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<v Speaker 1>do her job was limited in the first place, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been severely discombobulated by her own personal feelings for Vernier,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think are overriding common sense, like whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>would you know, obviously her and Damon have like a

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<v Speaker 1>acrimonious personal history, but like Damon is not wrong that

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<v Speaker 1>like the city watches a problem and something needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be done, and Missaria it feels like only objects to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he has to say because she, at any cost

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<v Speaker 1>wants to separate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving like work wife and real wife. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like now suddenly all three of you are together

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like who's in charge. It's very stressful. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she's got the Jews some Fortunately, for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>I did feel like maybe she had some machinations we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know about. But I'm starting to fear no that

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't, and not just that her rolodex is not

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<v Speaker 2>deep in kings Landing. Well, that's what I'm saying, Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen one spy. She's asking the people. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fucking ran now as Queen's God to do shit for her, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>have your own people? Where are your little birds? Babe?

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<v Speaker 1>She has?

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<v Speaker 2>She's got no one, She got no rolodex, she got

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<v Speaker 2>no sources, she got no scoops. She couldn't even scoop

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<v Speaker 2>the pregnancy she has.

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<v Speaker 1>She has Madame Sylvie from the brothel, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the only phone number, like in.

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<v Speaker 2>Singular source, not enough to do journalism from ll be

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<v Speaker 2>doing whispers. Jason, I want to ask you coming in

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<v Speaker 2>about strategy if you're looking at Lord wormand High Tower's strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very interested to see Gwain's response because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna lie. From the way that we are being

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<v Speaker 2>shown him right now, he's looking like he's doing pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's a crazy swing. But I feel like fromm

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen a lot of it from his perspective, within

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<v Speaker 2>his walls, his kind of fanaticism. I think GWayne coming

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of made me realize, actually, really all he

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<v Speaker 2>has is Tumbleton, and we don't really know whether this

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<v Speaker 2>threat of the people of King's Landing or these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of huge network of spies is true or kind of

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<v Speaker 2>bombastically overstated. Where do you feel like he is going

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<v Speaker 2>with this and do you feel, like GWayne, do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like there has to be another part of the

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<v Speaker 2>plan and ace off his sleeve that we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Ormond is acting too confident despite being in a position that,

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<v Speaker 1>as GWayne and many others have noted like, seems very

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<v Speaker 1>very exposed, like there's dragons right there on the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>they can come and kill everybody, Like, yes, you're banking

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<v Speaker 1>on the queen not wanting to create a bad image

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<v Speaker 1>from her regime by every thing.

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<v Speaker 2>To rely on because she yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But or certainly like Damon doesn't care, Like there are

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<v Speaker 1>hard line elements within her small council that you could

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<v Speaker 1>imagine winning an argument one day and just like they

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<v Speaker 1>descend on you and kill everybody. So and there's this

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<v Speaker 1>huge army that is just like searching for an intact

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<v Speaker 1>bridge and at some point is going to find it

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<v Speaker 1>and be and be on you. So why are you

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<v Speaker 1>so calm? Like what do you have? There must be.

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<v Speaker 2>Bere if I So this is so annoying, he because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think about my craziest theories. Obviously Otto dead,

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been a huge pull out if he'd

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<v Speaker 2>have been helping ri if he to that man, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that Darron's dragon could be connected to a

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<v Speaker 2>different dragon. Writer, And I don't think that Darron is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna fly the dragon to fight against Venera, And even

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<v Speaker 2>if he did, it wouldn't be some huge win right

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<v Speaker 2>to have one dragon. I'm trying to think what it

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<v Speaker 2>could be, and like who it could be? That would

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<v Speaker 2>be such a shock, I mean, who could I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, listen, they've been, they've been, they've been bread crumbing

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<v Speaker 1>for over a season now, yeah, is unhappy with his

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a world in which hu Ormond knows about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, he could be feeling like he could end

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<v Speaker 2>up with three dragons and suddenly Rinera would only have four,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and then he would have three and even field.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I do wonder if it's that, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have no mean, yeah, I mean he does

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Hugh's wife being in Tumbleton, like he's gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>In the original In the original meeting between Damon and Ormond,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's getting the surrender and he receives the fake Darren,

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<v Speaker 1>Damon does shiit on off a little bit, just like fu,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up, bitch. Yeah, And so you do wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>Ormond noticed. Maybe Ormond noticed that's and that is pre

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<v Speaker 1>him obviously, this is just in the field, This is

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<v Speaker 1>pre him going to Tumblelon it. It may be there

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<v Speaker 1>be in contact with all Howardy.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing though, is I feel like even then

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great poll for them. But as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hu and Oflf are not particularly reliable. Like that's so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, again, I would hope Ormond has a crazier poll.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the funniest thing is like, what's the crazy

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<v Speaker 2>The only character I don't think they're gonna do this, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but the only character who we know is we know

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<v Speaker 2>is alive and everyone else thinks it's dead is the

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<v Speaker 2>nearest husband, the gay, the gay valerian. There's no way

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<v Speaker 2>they can pull him back out. There's no way. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, he's not coming, there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, but I would. I hope he gets to live

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<v Speaker 2>happily ever after with his gay boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>He is absolutely well. We're going to continue to follow

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<v Speaker 1>House of the Dragon all season. On the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of X ray Vision, we're diving into X Men ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>season two, episode five. That's it for this episode. Thanks

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