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Speaker 1: season three episode six. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion. Hell,
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Speaker 2: We are talking about House of the Dragon season three,
Speaker 2: episode six and one episode. If you thought a lot
Speaker 2: happened last episode, get ready because there are some threads
Speaker 2: being tied up. Some things are happening, and I have
Speaker 2: a lot of questions for Jason because I am starting
Speaker 2: to understand I think where Ryan Condall is going by
Speaker 2: leaning so heavily into the unknown time with Alison with
Speaker 2: like Alice An, there's a lot of fun stuff to
Speaker 2: be digging into, guys. So let's start and it starts
Speaker 2: off well for the Kristen Cole hayas.
Speaker 1: How su the Dragon season three episode six. We open
Speaker 1: in the river lands and Cole's bedraggled men look miserable,
Speaker 1: just kind of like stumbling and bumbling through the woods.
Speaker 1: They come to a clearing where they cite a camp
Speaker 1: of the Rivermen, they think, but something strange has gone
Speaker 1: on here. They walk down there and there's already been
Speaker 1: a fight here. There's dead bodies all around, dead animals,
Speaker 1: all of them rivermen. So it's like, who fought these people?
Speaker 1: Who killed them? But the answer is to trap Some
Speaker 1: of the dead men spring up and a fight starts.
Speaker 1: It ends pretty quickly. Cole's guys put it down. But
Speaker 1: Cole realizes right after this that he and his really
Speaker 1: just like a handfully He's got very few guys at
Speaker 1: this point. His handful of men maybe a hundred, two hundred, like.
Speaker 2: Very few not and in the middle of the five
Speaker 2: hundred that we see is like badly any like the
Speaker 2: ones who are ready to fight is like ten. It's
Speaker 2: even bad, yeah, because they're all dehydrated. They've got they've
Speaker 2: got and they've just been They've got leeches on their nuts.
Speaker 1: It's very tough and it's bad. But suddenly Cole looks
Speaker 1: around and they are completely surrounded. It's the rivermen, it's
Speaker 1: the widgew wolves. It's over. Cole still seeking to like
Speaker 1: impress his own personal narrative for his own life, the
Speaker 1: way he wants to die on the events makes it
Speaker 1: I think a pretty courageous offer. He's like, listen, I'll fight.
Speaker 1: I'll fight you one on one or one on two
Speaker 1: or however many. You know, what do you want to do?
Speaker 1: You me versus Roddy and Oscar, Like we could do
Speaker 1: it that way in exchange, Yeah, whatever's fair and in
Speaker 1: exchange for that, uh, let my men go. And that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Crazy thing for him to ask after they've
Speaker 2: been going around just killing people with no honor, Like
Speaker 2: christ mind, like you been a like living ghoul to
Speaker 2: this honest and you did a great job. But he's
Speaker 2: in a great job hostness. I do, I will say,
Speaker 2: obviously deep Christian khole hater, but I do think Fabian
Speaker 2: and I do think the writers have done a really
Speaker 2: interesting job of kind of showing someone who has just
Speaker 2: been downtrodden their whole life trying to find some kind
Speaker 2: of agency at the end of their life, some kind
Speaker 2: of moral righteousness, and even though he obviously cannot really
Speaker 2: achieve it, I did find this to be quite a
Speaker 2: powerful moment until he pulled that allisents fucking she doesn't
Speaker 2: even think, I was yelling at the TV. I was like,
Speaker 2: she's never even thinking about your name. She liked it, No,
Speaker 2: I'm it blasts for him, like I didn't dislike it
Speaker 2: as a choice, but I didn't like it for him.
Speaker 1: So he realizes, like, this is probably gonna be the end.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, he pulls out of his sleeve
Speaker 1: Alison's titty napkin that she gave him, and it's with
Speaker 1: the embroidered A on it and beautiful lace napkin her
Speaker 1: favor as they would say in the world, and he's
Speaker 1: about to say something brave when a bunch of arrows
Speaker 1: hit him, including through the face and chest with the
Speaker 1: eyes with the coup de gras being unleashed by Black
Speaker 1: Alleys characters of the river Lands who we don't really
Speaker 1: get to to know through the course of the show.
Speaker 1: But yes, that is it's certainly right because they do a.
Speaker 2: Really long shot on her face and I was immediately
Speaker 2: like yeah, I was immediately like, okay, this is really important.
Speaker 2: It's obviously how And I actually really like this moment
Speaker 2: because I think it's fitting for Coal, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: get to determine how he dies at the hands of
Speaker 2: people that he's wronged, but he also didn't have to
Speaker 2: die under the wrath of like Ormond, so in his
Speaker 2: own way, he kind of gets to die the way
Speaker 2: he wanted. It's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I will say that Black Alley, so Black Alley is
Speaker 1: Alison Blackwood, member of House Blackwood. She is related to
Speaker 1: some notable people in this world. Some of that spoilers
Speaker 1: will say that for later she is, you know, at
Speaker 1: this age, I think she's like should be in the
Speaker 1: books anyway, she's like sixteen years.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say she was giving catnus. I think
Speaker 2: she's meant to be like late teens.
Speaker 1: And then definitely, like with the face paint struck me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. For the Skyrim heads out there reminded
Speaker 1: me of Ala the Huntress, who is a Nord werewolf
Speaker 1: and member of the of which guild is that the
Speaker 1: Companions which are like these kind of mercenary mercenary group
Speaker 1: that go on like various side quests throughout Skyrim. But
Speaker 1: the face paint really reminded me of that. And so
Speaker 1: she delivers the Kudu grat and clearly he didn't want
Speaker 1: to go down this way, and then the wolves and
Speaker 1: the Riverman Russian and presumably slaughter everybody.
Speaker 2: I also want to quickly say about like going back
Speaker 2: to the napkin momentarily. One thing I loved that they did.
Speaker 2: And this might have just been for me or the
Speaker 2: way I read it because I got bad eyesight. I'm
Speaker 2: wearing glasses, guys. But like, when he pulls the napkin out,
Speaker 2: at first, it looks like it's an R because of
Speaker 2: the way that the Allison is written. The A at
Speaker 2: the bottom has this huge round moment, so when he
Speaker 2: first brought it out, I was like, wait, what And
Speaker 2: then it reveals itself to be the A. So they
Speaker 2: just have so much fun with kind of his history,
Speaker 2: and I'm just so fucking good. I love this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, very fun. So this is the This battle, by
Speaker 1: the way, is the is like the infamous Butcher's ball
Speaker 1: from the books called the Pacher's Ball because it's just
Speaker 1: like a complete route and christ and Cole dies and
Speaker 1: his men really get just steamrolled the.
Speaker 2: Red Oscar Tully Young Tully because he is Han in
Speaker 2: the last episode who said to the head of the
Speaker 2: winter Wolves. He was like, I will enjoy Christen Cole
Speaker 2: no more. Let's fucking do it his way, Like he
Speaker 2: was the one who came up with this plan. Was
Speaker 2: like this, let's trap them instead of just sending the wolvester.
Speaker 1: He's a tough He's a tough little kid, and I
Speaker 1: love him and Dustin. Oh I wish there was I
Speaker 1: wish there was some other stuff about Roderick and Oscar Tully,
Speaker 1: like an odd couple story arc. Anyway, we go to
Speaker 1: the Red Keep. The guards find Alison and Helena stuck
Speaker 1: in the stuck in the walls, like like you know
Speaker 1: where they had become lost.
Speaker 2: Like get stuck in that forever, which was my fea.
Speaker 2: I thought they might just die in that. So this
Speaker 2: is okay.
Speaker 1: We go to the Small Council. Damon, of course, is uh,
Speaker 1: you know, brings news about the slaughter of the city Watchmen,
Speaker 1: his beloved city watchmen. Raniera meanwhile, wants to know, like
Speaker 1: when is Oscar and Roderick? When will their army reach Tumbleton?
Speaker 1: What's going on with that? Turns out they've been delayed
Speaker 1: by coal. They obviously don't know that coal is dead.
Speaker 1: Now Damon is like, again, why don't we just burn
Speaker 1: the whole thing, burn the whole thing from the sky.
Speaker 1: Fuck it? Who cares? Missaria is arguing, don't give Ormond
Speaker 1: what he wants the bad pr is what he wants.
Speaker 1: He wants to be able to say, see what happens
Speaker 1: when you support Raniera, you get burned anyway. Sabbath the
Speaker 1: Fray and Lord torn Manderley, on the other side of
Speaker 1: the table, both come down on the side of the
Speaker 1: argument that says burning the town would.
Speaker 2: Be a little that's so funny. I love their addition
Speaker 2: to the Small Council, Like it's peak early Game of
Speaker 2: Thrones where you get these like sassy in characters who
Speaker 2: are both like, oh yeah, I'm sure they'll love that.
Speaker 2: The drag Tory Mantley has this great line where he goes,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, the fire that just magically knows who is
Speaker 2: bad and who is good when it hits, Like I
Speaker 2: was like, that's a fucking great line.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, paraphrasing, Meanwhile, Damon says something like I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear from anybody who their battle experience is like
Speaker 1: battling with a chicken leg.
Speaker 2: His head, Like there's no fucking decorum in this house,
Speaker 2: in this meat the Small Council, and I will.
Speaker 1: See to be fair, Lord Torren should just keep his
Speaker 1: mind on economic matters and whatever, like you're on the
Speaker 1: small council. I get it, Alan says. He also comes
Speaker 1: down on the of let's just be judicious. Says, Listen,
Speaker 1: we wait for the army. We use overwhelming force with
Speaker 1: the army, but it's discriminating. We don't kill the women
Speaker 1: and children and the civilians of Tumbleton. These are your subjects,
Speaker 1: people who again bent the knee to you, but absolutely
Speaker 1: genocidal slaughter against Ormond to the high towers. Yeah, Damon
Speaker 1: is like, listen, remember An go On the conquer the
Speaker 1: original guy. He killed everybody at the field of fire,
Speaker 1: and nobody gave a shit. Nobody cared. So pull your
Speaker 1: pull your big girl pants up and let's just burn
Speaker 1: the town. Raniera then goes, well, my dad would not
Speaker 1: have done that, which Damon does not have liked, because listen,
Speaker 1: nobody knows you already know. Nobody knows Visceras like Damon did.
Speaker 1: They had a very close relationship, I think, and I
Speaker 1: think Damon really Damon loved his brother clearly, but also
Speaker 1: thought he was soft and can and envisioned his role
Speaker 1: as kind of the sword of the realm, like to
Speaker 1: be the hard ass. But Damon it really doesn't want
Speaker 1: to think about Tumbleton that much because there are insurgents
Speaker 1: inside the city walls. They have slaughtered his men. What
Speaker 1: are we going to do about it? Security in the
Speaker 1: city is paramount because Queen Ranier is here, the royal
Speaker 1: government is here. Raniera says, Okay, let's send to Corlis. Alan,
Speaker 1: go to your dad and ask Corlis for more men
Speaker 1: so that we can reinforce the city and you know,
Speaker 1: reinforce the city watch guys who have either died or
Speaker 1: have quit. As she's leaving the small Council, she learns
Speaker 1: that there's a contingent of Barathian men here to meet her,
Speaker 1: but not Lord Boros himself. Lord Boroughs continue continues to
Speaker 1: run away from the smoke. Is dodging the smoke. He
Speaker 1: has been requests personally by the Queen in the city,
Speaker 1: but instead he's like, oh, the vulture King. I gotta
Speaker 1: deal with the vulture king instead. Sorry, the Vulture King
Speaker 1: was highwayman?
Speaker 2: Like who is he in the books? Like is this
Speaker 2: a name that fans are immediately like? Okay? Is this
Speaker 2: like telling someone, oh, I can't come because like there's
Speaker 2: traffic on the one ten? Like is it just a nothing?
Speaker 1: Does I mean it's not a nothing. So the Vulture
Speaker 1: King is a dread pirate Roberts esque in the sense
Speaker 1: that there were there was like one vulture King, two
Speaker 1: vulture kings, three there was. Right, it's a mantle so
Speaker 1: is a to be fair, very annoying outlaw who was
Speaker 1: based in the kind of red mountains of Dorn region
Speaker 1: that is borders of the storm Lands and was constantly
Speaker 1: raiding into the storm lands across the marches, and you know,
Speaker 1: is a very annoying guy that said it does not
Speaker 1: require in my opinion, Lord Borrow's personally, but clearly he
Speaker 1: doesn't as many of the great houses don't want to
Speaker 1: do does not want to get personally involved until it's
Speaker 1: clear which way this is gonna go?
Speaker 2: Does unclear feel like that? Right? So? Can I just ask,
Speaker 2: as a you know, I'm an outsider watching this West
Speaker 2: Rosi news essentially as the insider, how are people feeling
Speaker 2: about that right now? Because I feel like on both
Speaker 2: sides we see that the houses are struggling to work
Speaker 2: out where this is going to land, the daring of
Speaker 2: it all, the venera of it all, even though she
Speaker 2: sits the throne, is this like a particularly unstable time
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it makes it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: And it's something from the books as well, that the
Speaker 1: great houses, except for the Starks, who sent a kitchener
Speaker 1: sent the winter Wolves, and we'll see if they will
Speaker 1: send anyone else, and the Lanisters, who are directly involved
Speaker 1: on the on the green side, pretty much everybody else's
Speaker 1: is the big houses have stayed out of it. Now,
Speaker 1: you could argue that the High Towers are a great
Speaker 1: house and all but name, which is true, and Jane
Speaker 1: Aaron has given some money and stuff. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, everybody, nobody wants to stick their neck out
Speaker 1: until somebody seems like they're really winning, in which case
Speaker 1: everybody will pile on to the winning side. And that's
Speaker 1: not just like historically, like how a lot of these
Speaker 1: conflicts based in the you know, these medieval conflicts unfolded,
Speaker 1: but it's how conflicts unfolded over the course of Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones too. Who's like, people, wait, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: risk everything.
Speaker 2: To see you before they know. Everyone wants to be
Speaker 2: the second right.
Speaker 1: So the brathyan Men are here and they're like, Lord
Speaker 1: Boris can come. He's fighting the Bulsher King and Rnier's
Speaker 1: fucking piss and she's like, well, you know, I could
Speaker 1: just like execute you guys, because I think you're really annoying.
Speaker 2: This, so just hang you because he didn't come bound.
Speaker 1: And he's and so these nights are like, well, is
Speaker 1: there anything else that we can offer the Queen in
Speaker 1: lieu of the presence of Lord Boroughs And she says,
Speaker 1: give me your belt, which we don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: Very mysterious at this point. We'll find out.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, because in the moment I had this,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, is this either she's gonna play
Speaker 2: it as like she claimed it, or is it gonna
Speaker 2: be like she's gonna hang him with the belt? I
Speaker 2: thought that would have been pretty brutal. But we will
Speaker 2: learn where it goes, and it goes, we will are
Speaker 2: very fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: We go to Tumbleton Hue, the Hammer flies Verma Thorion
Speaker 1: on a scouting mission and then lands nearby washed Rocks
Speaker 1: have a question mark have they They have a chat
Speaker 1: about well, mostly off monologue is about malt lemon market day,
Speaker 1: the market day, the sound, the bells winging, the sound,
Speaker 1: smell red pie, lamprey pie.
Speaker 3: You know scones, butter scones and a nice Lotte.
Speaker 2: And when just coming out of the bars.
Speaker 3: The breast glistening with ale and sweat. I loved it, didn't.
Speaker 2: You love it?
Speaker 1: Do you love it all? And almost like I'm married?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean she was like, I'm married. He loves his wife.
Speaker 1: So but you know, olf Is is basically saying like
Speaker 1: I took it for granted, and it's clear that he's
Speaker 1: very frustrated. They both are, but a more pointedly frustrated
Speaker 1: with what service to the Queen has meant in reality,
Speaker 1: which is like a lot of orders to go do
Speaker 1: stuff and not a lot of the breast glistening with
Speaker 1: ale and smell of scones in the errands exactly. And
Speaker 1: so he was like, you know, would you would you
Speaker 1: give it up? Like would you stop doing this? And
Speaker 1: I'll clearly would know, would not do that? But wants
Speaker 1: more he does, and I think they both want order.
Speaker 1: Hugh clearly wants more as well.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: We go to the Red Keep, Reania comes to see
Speaker 1: Alison again, and here's where I began to get the
Speaker 1: feeling that yes, Rania wants information from Alison and Helena
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of perspective from the other side,
Speaker 1: like what what might the Greens be thinking? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you also get the feeling that, like, this is her
Speaker 1: childhood friend and she's not getting she's not getting any
Speaker 1: traction or support from her small counsel or anybody. And
Speaker 1: you almost get the feeling that Raniera's like, let me
Speaker 1: just talk to my.
Speaker 2: Friends out that fucking like God advice. No, Jason, You're
Speaker 2: so right. There is this great moment here that go
Speaker 2: for the do the recap, and then I'll pinpoint in
Speaker 2: a moment where you are confirmed, I believe.
Speaker 1: So she comes to see Alison, and of course she's
Speaker 1: angry about this attempted escape. And Alison, when I when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I snuck out. I used to
Speaker 1: sneak out through my My bedroom was on the ground floor,
Speaker 1: and I would and especially during this summertime, I'd push
Speaker 1: my air conditioner out of the way and like and
Speaker 1: wiggle through the gap and go gallivanting out into the
Speaker 1: streets with my friends. And one time I was riding
Speaker 1: my bike home at like eleven or forty five and
Speaker 1: my stepdad drove by me and I was like hundred
Speaker 1: percent he saw me, and then I managed to flip
Speaker 1: it in that you know, I got home there waiting
Speaker 1: for me, and I was like, yeah, but everybody else's
Speaker 1: curfew is eleven o'clock and it's just not fair that,
Speaker 1: like I'm home at nine. It's ridiculous and everybody is
Speaker 1: out till eleven, like I'm fifteen or little. And I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, this is what Allison does. Alison manages,
Speaker 1: manages to flip it. She's like, well, you know, hold
Speaker 1: Ona is pregnancy. I'm what would you do, Like I understand,
Speaker 1: like the position you're in, you're gonna have to kill
Speaker 1: this baby at some point, when he was like no,
Speaker 1: I do that. Come on, maybe a hostage, but you
Speaker 1: know I'm not gonna kill a child, and Alison's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: yes you will.
Speaker 2: You would stop.
Speaker 1: It, Yes you would, And but Alison then goes listen,
Speaker 1: it was my fault, not Helene. Is obviously like Helena
Speaker 1: doesn't have thoughts of escape, like this is my idea,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna puish anybody punish me, and Rania is like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna increase security around both of you. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you know I am fighting your cousins like outside the city,
Speaker 1: as well, like Ormond's really giving me a lot of shit,
Speaker 1: So okay, this is like a tough.
Speaker 2: Position, and this is this is where she goes. She
Speaker 2: kind of lists off. She's like, you know, your cousin
Speaker 2: is this, your cousin is that high towers? Blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and and then she goes to them, you're this, and
Speaker 2: then Allison says that, she goes and what am I
Speaker 2: to you? And then Ranera goes, don't try me before
Speaker 2: she tells how the room and I was like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Jason. You're so right. It's like the two teenage
Speaker 2: girls are back at it again, like and and and
Speaker 2: Ranera is so great and well, I mean both of them,
Speaker 2: Emma and Olivia are so great, because yeah, everything that
Speaker 2: Olivia is doing as Alison at this point is defensible
Speaker 2: to us because we care about Helena. She's like the
Speaker 2: one good person. And I love to see Allison now
Speaker 2: in a protective mode, which we haven't really seen. And
Speaker 2: also it might just be to protect herself, but it's
Speaker 2: very interesting and I love to kind of see Raniera
Speaker 2: at this vulnerable backstep, returning to her friend who honestly
Speaker 2: she probably still can't trust. Just like she couldn't trust
Speaker 2: back then. But this interaction is so fantastic. It says
Speaker 2: so much about both of them.
Speaker 1: Right now, Rania meets with Massaria to kind of all
Speaker 1: this recent development, and Messoria, first of all, Massaria is like,
Speaker 1: what they try to do with Helene's pregnant? What crazy?
Speaker 2: So she took as she took Allison's advice. Hey, this
Speaker 2: is like compilation. She didn't tell Raniera us. She's now
Speaker 2: got this high tower favor that is owed to her.
Speaker 2: I think I would always right Jason, I overestimated her.
Speaker 2: She is not here too.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, now high tower favor. I would
Speaker 1: argue that now Alison has leverage over Missaria. Alison could
Speaker 1: say to Rania, well, guess what. Guess who knew your
Speaker 1: fucking mistress of Whispers knew that everything, knew that Helena
Speaker 1: was pregnant, knew that we were gonna escape Saws as
Speaker 1: we were trying to escape. She didn't tell you, Okay,
Speaker 1: so can you trust her anyway?
Speaker 2: Alison? I'm using that instantly, Like, come.
Speaker 1: On, So Missia pretends that she didn't know, and then
Speaker 1: she has basically has a guard take care of the
Speaker 1: maid who knew about the moon Tea in order to
Speaker 1: keep her the thread that connects to her, and that
Speaker 1: she would have known from spreading across the castle, which
Speaker 1: is pretty ruthless. And again that's just cover your ass.
Speaker 1: Shit is terrible.
Speaker 2: This is terrible. This is kind of my issue now.
Speaker 2: I think you were right, Jason, and I had overestimated
Speaker 2: her ability to think bigger than herself and covering her
Speaker 2: own tracks, and that is not what you need to
Speaker 2: be if you're the master of whispers. Like and when
Speaker 2: she then also sells out another worker to essentially cover
Speaker 2: her tracks by calling her a thief and a liar
Speaker 2: and maybe having her killed, I guess is the implication
Speaker 2: that's fucking crazy to me. Bitch like you go, You're
Speaker 2: gonna end up in a bad situation. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: end well for you. I'm sorry, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Go get me, go, get me some whispers. Where are
Speaker 1: the whispers at?
Speaker 2: I haven't had one whisper whispering. You didn't tell me
Speaker 2: you kept the one whisper.
Speaker 1: No, terrible. Let's see a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back at the park. And we're back. We go to
Speaker 1: the City Watch headquarters. The watchman who survived the dinner
Speaker 1: Massaker come to Damon, and quite understandably, they quit in
Speaker 1: mass it's too dangerous. There's no money in the coffers.
Speaker 1: Nobody's getting paid. They're paying with their lives of anything.
Speaker 1: Damon calls them cravens, which I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: this is the time for not even tough love, just
Speaker 1: pure love I could cause them.
Speaker 2: He tried to do the like to live speech again,
Speaker 2: but that had already worked last time. He should have
Speaker 2: done the like we are brothers with morning, our brothers.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna protect you.
Speaker 1: I will sleep here in the quarters with you.
Speaker 2: I will be your personal bodyguard. I will do rounds
Speaker 2: on your family's house. But instead this is a peak example.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about this, Jason. I would
Speaker 2: say it's one of our main themes this season, the
Speaker 2: Targarian pr issues between Damon and Renera. They need a
Speaker 2: pre person. They're very bad at it. Massiria could have
Speaker 2: been it for a little while, but she's not very
Speaker 2: good at it either. And I think here we're gonna
Speaker 2: see this episode both again, Renera failing and Damon I
Speaker 2: think making some massive mistakes, not only here, but as
Speaker 2: we will see as he leaves this meeting, I think
Speaker 2: he's going to make a mistake that's going to change
Speaker 2: the course of things for the family.
Speaker 1: Alan finds Corless, you know, somewhere in the crown Lands,
Speaker 1: the river Lands, somewhere around there, hanging insurgent triarchy men,
Speaker 1: which is you know, Corliss has obviously been very frustrated
Speaker 1: by political developments at court in his own relationship with
Speaker 1: Queen Rania, so he's gone back to doing the thing
Speaker 1: he loves, which is just slaughtering triarchy men like Willy Nilly,
Speaker 1: hanging guys who are men of the triarchy, and it
Speaker 1: loves to do.
Speaker 2: Go to therapy.
Speaker 1: He's just like, hang them all from the same tree.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. Many. He just keeps hanging them
Speaker 2: and Alan is like, please, like just do something else,
Speaker 2: like this is kind of creepy, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: There's uh, there's this artist who did woodcuts of the
Speaker 1: Thirty Years War. Wow, that there's a whole collection of it,
Speaker 1: of which I have a few prints because there it's incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible like graphic art. This guy's name was Jacques Gulau.
Speaker 1: He was active in the like early sixteen hundreds, Wow,
Speaker 1: and he created this project called legrand Misery de la
Speaker 1: Guerre the Great Miseries of War, about the Thirty Years War,
Speaker 1: and one of these woodcuts is Le Pendesa, the hanging
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's a it's a tree in the
Speaker 1: middle of this the image that has like twenty five
Speaker 1: bodies hanging, and it reminded me.
Speaker 2: Very very sounds Mary Corlus.
Speaker 1: And you know Corlis, Alan is like, listen, we need you,
Speaker 1: we need the we need some vlary on men in
Speaker 1: the capitol all like the city Watch is decimated. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to Driftmark. I'm gonna get more of the guys.
Speaker 1: Will you will you help? Will you lead the guys?
Speaker 1: And Corlis is like, no, I'm not. I'm no, I've
Speaker 1: been spurned. I asked one very simple thing for Riniera.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. And so now I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: murder as many chriochy men as I can find, because
Speaker 1: that's what makes me happy. My wife is dead, my
Speaker 1: good son is dead, and my other son doesn't have
Speaker 1: a name, and I'm furious.
Speaker 2: It's so annoying to see him behave like this to Alan,
Speaker 2: because the thing is Alan is living out everything Carlus
Speaker 2: wanted for him, like he is at the right hand
Speaker 2: of the Queen. She listens to him. It was his
Speaker 2: idea to get more Valarian men. He was the one
Speaker 2: who said there were three score left in the city.
Speaker 2: Like Alan is living a legitimate life of a lord,
Speaker 2: and Carlis could be there seeing it. He's earning that
Speaker 2: legitimacy from Renera, whether or not she'll give him the
Speaker 2: fucking title. But unfortunately Carlis is stubborn as fuck, and
Speaker 2: that's gonna pay badly for him in this episode.
Speaker 1: So Corlis refuses to go, but he does give Alan
Speaker 1: some important information, which is that Thailand Lanister survived the
Speaker 1: Battle of the Gullet and is headed to Rooks Rest.
Speaker 1: We go to Rooks Rest outside the walls of Rooks
Speaker 1: Rest where Thailand is burying the Janos who Eggon stabbed
Speaker 1: to death in the previous episode. Laris, always on the mind,
Speaker 1: always on boats is telling listen, I.
Speaker 2: Found autism for sure, you're right. He was always thinking
Speaker 2: about guess.
Speaker 1: What I found a Bravosi cog right out of maiden Pool.
Speaker 1: That we can get on this and we can get
Speaker 1: out of here. We go to Bravos, you know, the pitch.
Speaker 1: I got a great house over there, servants, pile of gold.
Speaker 1: We live in the in the fashion that used to.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. We just need to keep a
Speaker 1: low profile until then. Don't go waving the crown around
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Thailand argues this would be a terrible
Speaker 1: mistake for Eggon.
Speaker 2: Leave.
Speaker 1: This is his country, this is a nation he's ging,
Speaker 1: and Eggon, still clearly smarting from the monologue that Laris
Speaker 1: delivered to him in the previous episode, asks Thailand, do
Speaker 1: you think I'm a tarileman? And then Thailand, in the
Speaker 1: most unconvincing way to like, he takes a pause. That's
Speaker 1: like pauses.
Speaker 2: He keeps pausing. I gotta say, I'm gonna can I
Speaker 2: do a minor hacker? I do think that that is like,
Speaker 2: I do think Eggon's smarting from it. But I actually
Speaker 2: think the reason that he doesn't choose Thailand harrors because
Speaker 2: Laris was honest to him. I actually think he does it.
Speaker 2: It's I think if Thailand could argue that Eggon was
Speaker 2: a good man and make him believe it, Eggon would
Speaker 2: go with him. But I think that he knows that
Speaker 2: Laris right now is like one person who's gonna fucking
Speaker 2: tell him how it is. Yeah, Thailand couldn't just be like, look,
Speaker 2: you're a shit king, but come to Castley Rock and
Speaker 2: you can make it up to the people. If you'd
Speaker 2: have said that, maybe Eggan would have gone with him.
Speaker 2: But he knows this is a player, right, this is
Speaker 2: someone who's gonna play polite games. That's not gonna help
Speaker 2: eggn So I thought this was such a cool scene
Speaker 2: and also very fun to see Laris really embracing the
Speaker 2: power he has here where he's sort of bossing Thailand Lenister.
Speaker 2: He's like dig more and Tyland said, hey, it's free,
Speaker 2: you can use this. You can use the shovel and
Speaker 2: then he kicks him in. But it's really fun to
Speaker 2: see him like wielding the power, the small power he's
Speaker 2: finally gained over these lords. Very cathartic to see it.
Speaker 1: So s us it is they are going to Bravos
Speaker 1: apparently we go to the Veil where, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Raina is just continuing to be depressed. We just get
Speaker 1: a moment of that in Sheepstealer's cave. Heron hall Alice
Speaker 1: is tending to Amon's life to aimen to excuse me
Speaker 1: after he saved her life from the mercenaries who burst
Speaker 1: in in the previous episode, and he says, it's time
Speaker 1: to leave. I'm healthy and now my strength is gathered enough.
Speaker 1: I need to find Vaguar. I need to find out
Speaker 1: why she left.
Speaker 2: And and I don't know you anything because I saved you.
Speaker 1: I saved your life. She's like, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: got to stay longer, please, like you're not strong enough.
Speaker 1: Actually he's sure about it, and he because and he also,
Speaker 1: I think raises a good point and a point that's
Speaker 1: probably correct, which is what if it's what if it's
Speaker 1: a castle.
Speaker 2: That yes, we said the same thing, like they said
Speaker 2: the same something about the castle that is disconnecting them,
Speaker 2: the magic of the castle. Vega's like inherent ferough, fear
Speaker 2: of the castle. Something.
Speaker 1: Alice says, Well, you know, the land is crawling with
Speaker 1: cell swords and Queen's men. There's a price on your head.
Speaker 1: You're not going to make it with no rest. You
Speaker 1: should at least sleep and get in full night sleep,
Speaker 1: and then you know you can leave maybe in the morning.
Speaker 1: And then what about this what a vagar flew way
Speaker 1: to protect you somehow? So the Queen can't, OK, what
Speaker 1: about that? We end that there on the kind of
Speaker 1: ambiguous ending, we go to the veil. Jane Aaron is
Speaker 1: just throwing guys at the moon door. We have no
Speaker 1: idea what they they've done, but she's just launching.
Speaker 2: Them and she's like always intriguing, Jess. And I gotta
Speaker 2: ask you, do the people of the aries the Airy
Speaker 2: are they do they have like an inherited madness that
Speaker 2: is talked about or is this more of just like
Speaker 2: a cruelty because we have seen strangeness within their family
Speaker 2: again and again and again in this kind of pension
Speaker 2: for killing. Though every family has that in this world.
Speaker 1: We have not. You're right to mention that it's not
Speaker 1: spoken of. But to your other point, we have seen
Speaker 1: later members of the Aaron family be quite taken with
Speaker 1: the idea of just throwing people out, wanting them to
Speaker 1: watch them flutter and fly. And I think, listen, when
Speaker 1: you're raised in this atmosphere and when you're in which
Speaker 1: from childhood, you're just watching people get thrown out, and
Speaker 1: it's like and you.
Speaker 2: Literally live kind of above the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: There's no other rules or it is.
Speaker 1: It does seem like it would be quite a hypnotic
Speaker 1: site to watch somebody just kind of like flutter away. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is what Jane Aaron does. I guess she's just
Speaker 1: run because there's no TV.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say business, have agin of Netflix and chill.
Speaker 2: It's just like, uh, window, skydoor and chill.
Speaker 1: So as this guy, this poor soul is like, you know,
Speaker 1: disappearing into a small dot that will then smash into
Speaker 1: the hillside at high speed. Raina is brought to her
Speaker 1: and Lady Aeron is pissed. She slaps Reina and is like,
Speaker 1: I thought I told you to keep keep your head
Speaker 1: down high out there flying around. You're out there doing
Speaker 1: stuff is a violation of our agreement, which was I
Speaker 1: will let you stay here and you don't ever make
Speaker 1: trouble for me. You're making trouble for me. Not only that,
Speaker 1: but the queen knows that sheep Stealer has a rider,
Speaker 1: and now she's looking for sheep stealer. This is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge problem. Raina then goes onto Wine and winged that,
Speaker 1: oh you don't know what it's like. Dragon. I never
Speaker 1: got to have a dragon, and was like, shut up.
Speaker 2: She says, you had that choice. By the way, to
Speaker 2: have a dragon rather than a family. You could have
Speaker 2: go with your family.
Speaker 1: That's right, there's little children in Pentos who need you.
Speaker 2: Being by the way to like dotislavery because we don't
Speaker 2: know maybe maybe potentially.
Speaker 1: And and she's like, listen, stop flying around, shut up
Speaker 1: playing else. Next time I bring you here, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go flying. But in a different way. We go back
Speaker 1: to the red keep. Alan finds Baila sleeping somewhere in
Speaker 1: the city. He's is like, listen, I can't get Curls
Speaker 1: to come back, but maybe you could convince him, you know,
Speaker 1: you have a you might have a better warmer relationship
Speaker 1: with him. They talk about their very complex daddy issues.
Speaker 1: Of course, Baylis's father is Damon Turgarian. The vibes are flowing,
Speaker 1: now what like.
Speaker 2: Ry Well, I guess she has like Targuarian blood and
Speaker 2: is very beautiful and is like also like in Lights
Speaker 2: of the Throne. But it's so funny that both Adam
Speaker 2: and Alan are clearly like vibing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like there's a lot of other I
Speaker 1: know women of their statue like they are bastards but
Speaker 1: raised to the place where they have been raised. It's
Speaker 1: not like there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Ian just made an unbelievable point in the chat. Those
Speaker 2: are uncles, Yes, classic Damon Talgarian situation.
Speaker 1: It's targary and stuff. You know, I gonna be.
Speaker 2: Honest if I was gonna pick her between Adam and Allan,
Speaker 2: Allan was not the one I would have thought she
Speaker 2: would go for. But the energy here in the chemistry
Speaker 2: was so good that I totally bought it. Whereas I
Speaker 2: think Adam maybe reminded her too much of Jace. He's
Speaker 2: too caring, he's too much like I love you, I
Speaker 2: want to look after you.
Speaker 1: Yes, baby boy soft. Allen's a soft guy. That's what
Speaker 1: every want to That's what she wants right now. She
Speaker 1: wants she wants a tough guy, a bad guy, like
Speaker 1: kind of like a bad boy right now. He's got
Speaker 1: bad And she crosses the room and there's you can
Speaker 1: feel the magnetism and she's looking at him with those like.
Speaker 2: You gonna kiss me?
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? Are you gonna do it?
Speaker 1: And then they end up doing it. They end up kissing.
Speaker 2: We go to Tumbleton, Joel, it's so Peter, Gail. I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, it's so y a fucking Romance Love
Speaker 2: Trilogy coded. I'm so glad you said.
Speaker 1: That GWayne made it out of the slaughter. He's in Tumbleton.
Speaker 1: He looks like shit. He thinks Ormond is maybe mad
Speaker 1: at him for you know, he thinks Ormond is maybe
Speaker 1: insane from wanting to continue this.
Speaker 2: Fight because his version of it has only been through
Speaker 2: the eyes of his men who died with Coal. Right.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know Ormond's machinations and he doesn't think it's
Speaker 2: worth while correct.
Speaker 1: Also, he has no dragons. He's very exposed here in Tumbleton,
Speaker 1: which is not White Dragon, not a militarized city, not
Speaker 1: a defensible city. Yes they are, they're hardening the defenses,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have like the double walls of a
Speaker 1: one of the great kind of military style castles of
Speaker 1: the realm. And she's got this army bearing down on
Speaker 1: him and multiple dragons flying around just like waiting for
Speaker 1: the order. He thinks that Ormond is crazy. Ormond is
Speaker 1: acting like everything's fine. He has the upper hand. Time
Speaker 1: is on his side because his agents are working in
Speaker 1: the capitol to destabilize the near his regime, and that
Speaker 1: is working. And he says, you know, a patient gets
Speaker 1: the kid, and Ormond sends Darren to show GWayne to
Speaker 1: his room and they have a moment, you know, private
Speaker 1: moment to kind of chat about what's going on. Quaene
Speaker 1: is like, this is crazy. Everything that's going on here
Speaker 1: is crazy. Ormond declaring you king is crazy. Darren is like,
Speaker 1: well you left me head, Like what can I do?
Speaker 1: You left me here? I had no choice. He minted
Speaker 1: the coin. I didn't know about it. Like now I'm
Speaker 1: Ormond's puppet and I can't do it, like I have
Speaker 1: no I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Can we pause? On that coin? Jason Ormond gave him
Speaker 2: bangs on the coin. As people have been pointing out online,
Speaker 2: this man loves Head. That is his passion. His passion.
Speaker 1: He gave him a bob he give me. It's just
Speaker 1: it's more, I guess more kingly to have the bob.
Speaker 1: You want to see the face.
Speaker 2: You got to see the face, but you need to
Speaker 2: frame it. And Ormond has about that.
Speaker 1: I think like I think early you know, metallurgists and
Speaker 1: metalworking artisans. I think of this period the you know
Speaker 1: it's below two hundred and forty p resolution on a coin,
Speaker 1: like it's like forty forty P resolution free p and
Speaker 1: I just don't think they have the ability.
Speaker 2: To put too much detail, like you don't need to
Speaker 2: put the ball like it's just his face as fine,
Speaker 2: But that's just Ormond. He's a detailed, friendly guy, he is.
Speaker 2: But Luckeen, as we'll find out, Gween is more detailed
Speaker 2: focus thank god.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Gween tries to tell Daryn to just refuse Ormond,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not going to work. What's he gonna do.
Speaker 2: He's gonna kill it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you don't understand what's going on around here?
Speaker 1: Who will protect me? I don't have a force sworn
Speaker 1: to me on my own. Of course, Darren understands. He's
Speaker 1: a very realistic kid. He understands that the chances of
Speaker 1: him actually ascending the throne are like nil, Like he's
Speaker 1: he very low that he survives this conflict and almost
Speaker 1: zero that he ascends.
Speaker 2: He's a pawn and Hi Tower war for power.
Speaker 1: GWayne believes that Ormond is marching the family, Darren and
Speaker 1: himself and all these men to their destruction. He doesn't
Speaker 1: see any way that this succeeds. And GWayne is like,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going back to old town and just
Speaker 1: leaving and Darren's like, no, you have to stay, don't
Speaker 1: leave me with him. It's a very very heartfelt moment.
Speaker 1: He's like begging.
Speaker 2: Wayne to stay, and then he's just a kid.
Speaker 1: He's just a kid, and he's like, have you seen
Speaker 1: my mother? And it's quite heartbreaking. You know, Darren hasn't
Speaker 1: seen his mother in years, so and to hear him
Speaker 1: see him pining for his mother.
Speaker 2: I would say I didn't really know where they were
Speaker 2: going with the GWayne plot line, Like I thought he
Speaker 2: was an interesting foil for Kristin coal, but after Kristen died,
Speaker 2: I sort of kind of would okay. I actually thought
Speaker 2: that the kind of duality between the way he spoke
Speaker 2: to Ormond when he first arrived and getting to see
Speaker 2: that hired fatigued realization of like a soldier who's fought
Speaker 2: and to see how disconnected the leadership is. But then
Speaker 2: to have that great moment where GWayne talks to Darren
Speaker 2: as his uncle and is like what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on? I felt like, oh, okay, everything they did
Speaker 2: with gwayn led to this, like he is our in character.
Speaker 2: Once we get to Ormond, he is the one who
Speaker 2: is letting us know, like, oh yeah, this is as
Speaker 2: crazy as you think is Like even his family knows
Speaker 2: this is a fucking insane play. But there's nothing GWayne
Speaker 2: can do about it. Like he's beaten down, he's broken,
Speaker 2: and he's willing to leave this. I mean, how old's
Speaker 2: Darren at this point, like fourteen, yeah, years old.
Speaker 1: We go to the Red Keep. Helena is not eating.
Speaker 1: Allison is, of course worried. Helena is, you know, just
Speaker 1: anxious about everything, anxious about your hair. She understands that
Speaker 1: Allison lied about that. Oh yeah, Yourhara is going to
Speaker 1: join us on the escape of the time. We're gonna
Speaker 1: send for her. She's gonna come later. She knows that
Speaker 1: that was bullshit. Allison is like begging Helena to eat,
Speaker 1: and she really in that moment as she's there having
Speaker 1: this conversation that Helena is like knitting this huge tapestry,
Speaker 1: like the Bayou tapestry. M And you know, we understand
Speaker 1: that Helena, because she has she's a dreamer, she's a dreamer,
Speaker 1: that there must be some meaning.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, Jason, do you think the
Speaker 2: implication here is that obviously it's not exactly because we
Speaker 2: only see a part of it, and we know that
Speaker 2: part is not something we've seen in the credits. But
Speaker 2: is the implication here that Helena is maybe the one
Speaker 2: doing the tapestry that we see at the opening credits,
Speaker 2: because it looks very similar with the color choices and.
Speaker 1: Yes, shapes.
Speaker 2: I think that's I'm going to be so excited to
Speaker 2: see if we see the moment that kind of breaks
Speaker 2: this episode in the credits for the next episode, that
Speaker 2: would be pretty special.
Speaker 1: Yes, we go back to heron hall. Amon is going
Speaker 1: to leave. He's getting on a horse. He's like, getting
Speaker 1: out of there. Alice is like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: hold on.
Speaker 2: She actually kills a kid who sees him to prove
Speaker 2: her loyalty. She's like, I will protect your fucking identity
Speaker 2: from an eleven year old horseboy.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have something to share with you
Speaker 1: that maybe so you will say. She brings out this
Speaker 1: crate five eggs laid by the dragon dream. This is
Speaker 1: the Dragon of Raina targeting the older Raina Targetian and
Speaker 1: older Rayna, who uh kind of lived out her final years.
Speaker 1: This is from years past in isolation at heron Hall
Speaker 1: and I will say whose eggs? Many book readers have surmised,
Speaker 1: are the eggs that eventually get to Denarius? Okay, this
Speaker 1: is because they disappeared. They it was noted in the
Speaker 1: in the annals that these eggs disappeared.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the biggest question I have for you, right,
Speaker 2: and this is kind of what I was teasing in
Speaker 2: our intro. Is obviously when she reveals that it is
Speaker 2: very much a similar reveal. This is obviously not something
Speaker 2: that we know about Aimond and Alice's time together, but
Speaker 2: this feels like why they're leaning so much into the
Speaker 2: unknown time at Haaren Hall. Right, So is this we
Speaker 2: don't know that Alice gave aim and these eggs in
Speaker 2: the books? Right, That's not in there.
Speaker 1: It's not in there.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's why I think it. Yeah, Okay, Jason, Another question,
Speaker 2: is there a version of this where the eggs are
Speaker 2: This is not how I read it. I think that
Speaker 2: she's being honest. I think what she pictures to him
Speaker 2: here is true. But is there a version that the
Speaker 2: eggs are just a vision of the magic of Haaren
Speaker 2: Hall that she's using to like manipulate him, like she
Speaker 2: doesn't actually have them, or those are not the real
Speaker 2: eggs or she's using a vision to kind of she's
Speaker 2: hiding the real eggs. Like what do you think because
Speaker 2: this feels like a huge reveal.
Speaker 1: Don't no, this is not this is this is not
Speaker 1: real something. This is real. This is not something in
Speaker 1: the book. So yeah, it's interesting. So you know there is.
Speaker 2: Because I saw the eggs. It was just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Okay, this is what this is. How you
Speaker 2: connect it, this is what you've been leading to. But
Speaker 2: it feels huge to just kind of drop that. And
Speaker 2: that's why I was wondering, this is not.
Speaker 1: That, this is this is not in the book at all.
Speaker 1: So it from the books rained Targary and this is
Speaker 1: like first century Targarian rule, like year forty nine. Had
Speaker 1: a friend named Alyssa Farman and they were kind of close,
Speaker 1: and there was two other people they were very close
Speaker 1: with them. They would ride the dragon dream Fire together,
Speaker 1: very very close, and at some point Alyssa left it
Speaker 1: took the dragon eggs and disappeared. So it has been
Speaker 1: it's been, it's been wondered about, like are these the
Speaker 1: eggs that get to Denari's And if they are, then
Speaker 1: what happened to the other two? Because there's we see
Speaker 1: five here, So it's very interesting. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a very tantalizing moment. So Alice reveals the eggs,
Speaker 1: says they've been hidden here for one hundred years, which
Speaker 1: the math checks out. That would that would be right
Speaker 1: for if they are indeed rain At Targarian's eggs taken
Speaker 1: by Alisa Farman. Alice says, here's the pitch. We stay
Speaker 1: here as a team in Haron Hall. Hatch the eggs.
Speaker 1: We have our dragons. You don't need Vagar anymore. Now
Speaker 1: you've got five dragons, and we can build on the
Speaker 1: ancient magical strength that is here in Heron Hall. Let everybody,
Speaker 1: gods and everybody else turn their backs on us. We
Speaker 1: will build our own fortune here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She I was gonna say, she has that great
Speaker 2: moment where she says, I'll be the lady of the
Speaker 2: water and you can be my dragon. Lord. Very Arthurian,
Speaker 2: this kind of notion that she will become the protector
Speaker 2: of the waters of Haaren Hall. Then, you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of like the idea that they would be this
Speaker 2: almost romantic haunting couple that would kind of stop people
Speaker 2: coming to Haaren Hall, and they'd almost be more like
Speaker 2: phantoms than real. It sounds very cool. If I was aimant,
Speaker 2: he's had a shit life. She in a great pitch,
Speaker 2: sounds very good. Have a girlfriend, have a mother figure,
Speaker 2: have sex with someone, consentually kill people when they show up,
Speaker 2: have five dragons. I mean it sounds good to me. Like, well,
Speaker 2: I barely ever done for.
Speaker 1: You now the dragons, of course, it would take a
Speaker 1: long time for them to grow up in mature but still, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, it's a good pitch. We go to the
Speaker 1: Red Keep the Throne Room. Veraniera is meeting with her petitioners.
Speaker 1: She's blaming the entire economic situation on Torn Mandrly, master
Speaker 1: of point. She's like, listen, take it up with Torn Manderly, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do to tell you. One of the Silent Sisters comes
Speaker 1: to the front and brings news that one of the
Speaker 1: Silent Sisters was assaulted, and the Queen's like, well, I'll
Speaker 1: light a candle for her.
Speaker 2: That's just terrible, babe. She's like, I'll do it next
Speaker 2: time I go to the set. Then everyone goes, they're
Speaker 2: like what do you mean. They're like, these actually assaulted
Speaker 2: and kidnapped, like do something about it. Cobab Babe.
Speaker 1: Another complains that the city watchesn't around, they've left their posts,
Speaker 1: and the queen is like, well, listen, I've petitioned for
Speaker 1: the Valarian army to come back and take up their posts.
Speaker 1: No one is satisfied with this, and the queen is like,
Speaker 1: meeting adjourned, she leaves it. As she leaves, she cuts.
Speaker 2: Her just before she and we start to get that idea,
Speaker 2: like you said, from the books of this, like is
Speaker 2: she meant for the throne? Also, very interestingly, we kind
Speaker 2: of get that overwhelmed feeling again of it's almost like
Speaker 2: Ranera as a child, was told she would be on
Speaker 2: the throne, and once she's back on the throne, she's
Speaker 2: back in that child like mentality. It's like she doesn't
Speaker 2: know how to rule, nobody actually taught her right, and
Speaker 2: she's just suddenly so over one. I mean, she just
Speaker 2: fucking storms out. I've never seen her like that.
Speaker 1: Her saying in response to news that a silent sister
Speaker 1: has been attacked is like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll pray for her.
Speaker 1: I'll pray for her.
Speaker 2: Present so sad, so bad.
Speaker 1: Damon is a one man gold cloak cadre. He's in
Speaker 1: gold cloak uniform walking around trying to draw out Rmon
Speaker 1: spies and it works. He manages to ambush one of
Speaker 1: these attackers. The main guy puts a knife to his
Speaker 1: throat and is like, you know, how many? Where are they?
Speaker 1: Who are they? The man you know is clearly very
Speaker 1: very committed to this mission. He says, listen, we're everywhere.
Speaker 1: We will never rest. We will kill you all. We
Speaker 1: won't rest until Daryn takes his rateful place. You see
Speaker 1: the coin. I love the coin. I need to see
Speaker 1: him on the on the throne, and we won't rest
Speaker 1: until he's on the throne. Damon kills him. And on
Speaker 1: the way out after killing this guy and just like
Speaker 1: leaving his body.
Speaker 2: He are Crisis Jason here.
Speaker 1: Crisis leaves this guy's body in an alley, which I
Speaker 1: would I would think that you would want to like
Speaker 1: put his head on a spike and be like, look
Speaker 1: what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like if I was them, I would
Speaker 2: put it on a spike and then I would do
Speaker 2: some graffiti that was like the people for Queen Reniera,
Speaker 2: Like I'd pretend it was like other people against them.
Speaker 2: So like if there were supporters. But he is on
Speaker 2: a high. He's making stupid choices. He's not being a strategist.
Speaker 2: He's letting his emotions lead him and Jason. I fear
Speaker 2: that this goes along with me with Renera not just
Speaker 2: legitimizing Callus's kids, because I think she should have done
Speaker 2: it diplomacy wise. This is going to be up there
Speaker 2: for me with that. Choices that these two make this season.
Speaker 1: Well that yeah, I mean the next choice that he
Speaker 1: makes is perhaps the most devastating, right, maybe you could
Speaker 1: argue that it was justified. He runs into Alf as
Speaker 1: he's leaving where he killed the guy, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? You should shouldn't he be
Speaker 1: in the Red keep like underguard, Like why are you
Speaker 1: walking around? And ELF's like, well, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to the tavern or whatever. I'm taking the air.
Speaker 1: You know, a man needs his pleasures. Damon beats this
Speaker 1: guy's ass in the street just like and she just
Speaker 1: absolutely humiliates him in front of everyone and then says,
Speaker 1: set footing in the city again, and I'll put out
Speaker 1: your eyes and we know that this is not gonna
Speaker 1: go an.
Speaker 2: I gotta be real. I think that this undermines Damon's
Speaker 2: own understanding and representation of what the Taugarians are, because
Speaker 2: I think he is forgetting that Ulf is a dragon seed,
Speaker 2: and I think I think that by doing this, it
Speaker 2: really not only obviously is terrible diplomacy. Off's gonna betray you,
Speaker 2: Like that's just so obvious at this point, but not
Speaker 2: just that you are literally like I get that you're
Speaker 2: meant to be the more powerful dragon, but you're kind
Speaker 2: of showing that he's just a human right, like he's
Speaker 2: it's weird to choose to put him in his place,
Speaker 2: because that, to me is like a dragon rider under
Speaker 2: the boot of another man, Like it just doesn't look strong.
Speaker 2: It's a bad choice on every level.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. We go to Tumbleton, Hugh steals.
Speaker 2: A wagon, talking of bad decisions.
Speaker 1: I assume Ki kills just like a regular, definitely takes
Speaker 1: the wagon, sneaks into the city. Meanwhile, Ormond is having
Speaker 1: dinner with Darren GWayne. They're talking about various hands of
Speaker 1: the King. Ormond is like Corlus those really.
Speaker 3: Is a dirty bitch, But have to admit that Corlis
Speaker 3: was a good choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shit about like he's well bread, he doesn't
Speaker 2: have the I like, I actually interestingly in great writing
Speaker 2: here for me, because you basically get Ormond saying something
Speaker 2: that is unfortunately very true in the case of what
Speaker 2: is going on right now with Olf and with you,
Speaker 2: which is the notion of like a striver, right, what
Speaker 2: will they do for the power that they need to
Speaker 2: protect their family? You can't trust them, whereas someone like
Speaker 2: carll Us at least allegedly follows these kind of loyal
Speaker 2: rules of the higher ups, right, and isn't going to
Speaker 2: stab you in the back allegedly. I love this cut
Speaker 2: because Ormond fucking sucks, but it's also just true in
Speaker 2: that moment. It's fucking true.
Speaker 1: So he's you know, Ormond has a high opinion of Corlis,
Speaker 1: which is correct. But dinner is interrupted when men come in.
Speaker 1: Brathian men seemingly the ones that are there, seemingly the
Speaker 1: ones that met with Rinia, but it's hard to tell
Speaker 1: because they are so covered in shit stinky. They're like
Speaker 1: covered head toe in horseshit and mud.
Speaker 2: Ormond is just like somebody told Granera that Ormond was
Speaker 2: a sis tipped to poop smells.
Speaker 1: Ormond is like staggering from the from the stitch.
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, good boy. Women, if I
Speaker 2: was like your nanny in the sept or whatever, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, you did a good job. Because he does
Speaker 2: say to them, well met, he manages to get that,
Speaker 2: he manages to choke and runs away. Well man, he can't.
Speaker 1: He can barely concentrate. Meanwhile, GWayne immediately understands that this
Speaker 1: is some sort of trick and he, along with Bull
Speaker 1: John Roxton, swinging to action and kind of just like
Speaker 1: unilaterally slay these these interlopers. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the city,
Speaker 1: Hugh finds his wife. It's like, babe, babe, babe, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I got the dragon outside, I stole the way. Let's
Speaker 1: get out of here. Let's let's go, go go. She's like,
Speaker 1: first of all, where you men, I've heard nothing from you.
Speaker 1: You don't understand what we've been going through. Do you
Speaker 1: understand what like women alone, yeah, on the road have
Speaker 1: to deal with.
Speaker 2: And she's also like, you did all this for a
Speaker 2: fucking dragon, Like that's what this is for. You think
Speaker 2: I care about fucking money? Like we were happy before.
Speaker 1: Fuck you TLDR. She doesn't want to leave no elsewhere
Speaker 1: GWayne and Ormond later on GWayne and Ormond watched Daryn Train.
Speaker 1: Ormond apologizes to GWayne. He's like, maybe, cousin, maybe I
Speaker 1: treated you a little same, thank you for thank you
Speaker 1: for saving my life from the shit stinking men. And
Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to go back to
Speaker 1: old town, go ahead. I will hold I will not
Speaker 1: hold it against you. And Queen's like, why are you so?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What do you have planned? And Ormond just kind
Speaker 1: of smirks because saying.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, I love that The reason
Speaker 2: that GWayne knew that it wasn't the Barathians is because
Speaker 2: like he didn't want to fuck the guy who said
Speaker 2: he was Arian Bathian and he was like, nah, he's
Speaker 2: way more commonly usually a nice.
Speaker 1: None is handsome.
Speaker 2: Not here's the other one. That's how he's like perfect.
Speaker 2: I also love in this moment. I feel like, you know, GWayne,
Speaker 2: he's got the name, that's the classic Arthurian name, right,
Speaker 2: He's the he's the hero. I like him. The moment
Speaker 2: that he gets what Ormond, he gets what he essentially
Speaker 2: told there and he wants, which is like the approval
Speaker 2: to go back to old town. But in that moment
Speaker 2: he understands the Ormond saying that is a red flag,
Speaker 2: and he kind of has this moment of okay, but
Speaker 2: what's the real plan? And I love that because you're
Speaker 2: kind of seeing that heroic flame lit back inside him.
Speaker 1: In the red keep, Allison goes Unira to beg for,
Speaker 1: you know, Helena, and have freedom of the castle. She's
Speaker 1: she needs that for her mental health. In return for that,
Speaker 1: She's like, I know where Amond is. By the way,
Speaker 1: I've been hiding that the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, babe, you're doing such a Allison, you
Speaker 2: should have just you gotta be like, I just know.
Speaker 2: I just found out right now, right the second. And
Speaker 2: I didn't know before. I promise.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Amon's and heron hall. I've kind of been keeping
Speaker 1: that my hat. And Raniera is like, yeah, but Vagar's
Speaker 1: not there, like we've been looking there. And Alison is like, well,
Speaker 1: what you know? I said my.
Speaker 2: Son, Amon didn't say fuckinggo do I know?
Speaker 1: Because Helena has been having dreams about it. Raniera goes
Speaker 1: like like, stoo, literally.
Speaker 2: It's so funny too, because Alison obviously tells her and
Speaker 2: says it sounds crazy. You're not gonna believe me. But
Speaker 2: she doesn't obviously know like Vissiri's didn't really tell her
Speaker 2: about the history of the Talgarians and the Dreamers. I
Speaker 2: love the Scooby Doo pulled Jason because she really is
Speaker 2: like that. She's like, who do yeah, like when she's
Speaker 2: a Dreamer, hold on us say now, Waitra is.
Speaker 1: Extremely interested and you can see the wheels training. How
Speaker 1: can I turn this to my advantage? And she develops
Speaker 1: a new plan now, which is use Alison to somehow
Speaker 1: lure Aimond out of heron Hall or something like.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, yeah, it's it's unclear. I think essentially
Speaker 2: she wants to send Alison with a sword who can
Speaker 2: then kill Aimond.
Speaker 1: She wants to Alison is going to go to heron Hall.
Speaker 1: That much is clear. Allison does want to.
Speaker 2: I get what choices By the way, Jason another incredible
Speaker 2: part of why I feel like Condor and the team
Speaker 2: are leaning into this unknown time with Alison Aimond, because
Speaker 2: obviously Allison didn't go to Haren Hall in the books, right, Like,
Speaker 2: this is going to be another section that we're going
Speaker 2: to get to learn about through the show, which I
Speaker 2: think is very exciting.
Speaker 1: So Alison goes to Lenna's like, listen, I am going
Speaker 1: somewhere so you can refree, okay, and you need to
Speaker 1: take advantage of this chance I'm giving you. Just grab
Speaker 1: it with both arms. Helena, meanwhile, once is like really
Speaker 1: thinking about like the path that brought them here, why
Speaker 1: do you marry me to my brother? And Allison's like,
Speaker 1: you know that was my father, you know that's what
Speaker 1: that's what, That's what my dad wanted. The Sarah's agreed
Speaker 1: with it. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: She's also kind of like, and I knew what she
Speaker 2: really admits is like and I kind of allowed it
Speaker 2: even though it was gross, because then you'd be here
Speaker 2: and I'd be able to see you.
Speaker 1: She Helena finally eats, and you get the sense that
Speaker 1: she has made her mind up about something.
Speaker 2: Whatever she's planning is not Allison's plan, Like she realizes
Speaker 2: in that moment that she has to do this for herself,
Speaker 2: whatever version of her, And obviously I would assume may
Speaker 2: law is growing in her belly. She is deciding to
Speaker 2: protect them over whatever scheme Allison has, and ironically I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised to see. I hope she chooses someone
Speaker 2: more trustworthy, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Helena
Speaker 2: tried to enlist massari Or in whatever she does next,
Speaker 2: because he was the first person who's like turned on
Speaker 2: Nera in front of her.
Speaker 1: Allison heads off on this mission crazy meanwhile, or While
Speaker 1: brings news that she brings news that there's a bloody
Speaker 1: shortcoat that has like arrived, which means that the attempted
Speaker 1: assassination on Ormond has failed. We go to the river
Speaker 1: lands where Corlis is just watching the bodies swing from
Speaker 1: the tree in the evening breeze. He's drinking his ale
Speaker 1: and having a grand nostalgic. He's like, maybe I love,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm.
Speaker 2: Hanging off men.
Speaker 1: He makes a speech to his men, telling him like
Speaker 1: all this stuff the blades are needed in this city.
Speaker 1: But shortly after that, Bold John Robson's really getting around
Speaker 1: emerges from the shadows and captures Corless.
Speaker 2: It is a capture, right, because I feel like it.
Speaker 2: It looks like a kill, but I think it's a fature.
Speaker 1: It's a capture. Let's see a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be back to discuss the SubCom and we're back.
Speaker 2: Why did you bang off? This is definitely getting to
Speaker 2: the kind of like season four or five Game of
Speaker 2: Thrones where every episode has like really six or seven
Speaker 2: like major kind of peace moving moments, and I love it.
Speaker 2: Your computer is just telling me like thumbs down. It's
Speaker 2: like you suck. This thing's terrible. No, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. It's just that weird apple thing. It
Speaker 2: was really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot here to to really grab a
Speaker 1: hold of it. I am still like kind of mesmerized
Speaker 1: by the five Eggs reviewal.
Speaker 2: That's my biggest takeaway.
Speaker 1: No mention of alyssa farman who steals the eggs and
Speaker 1: makes off with them. But it certainly seems to be
Speaker 1: the original Raina Targerians Dreamfire eggs. So that is quite
Speaker 1: interesting and a wonderful kind of thread to connect to
Speaker 1: Denaries Diaberi in and again makes you wonder, like what
Speaker 1: happened to the other two eggs? Is the three were
Speaker 1: on their way out.
Speaker 2: There, That's what I'm wondering. Also, I would like to
Speaker 2: ask this this is obviously like sorry to put creators.
Speaker 2: That's going to make you grown, especially because George is
Speaker 2: a king of multiple naming. But I mean, is there
Speaker 2: a version where Alice Rivers is Alyssa Farnham and stole
Speaker 2: them and then went to Harron Hall and got cursed
Speaker 2: for stealing them, and that's why she is stuck there. Now.
Speaker 2: It's kind of this witch like is there a version
Speaker 2: of that or is this just the classic George does
Speaker 2: similar names, because obviously this is Ryan's adaptation at this point.
Speaker 1: I would I would very much doubt that Alissa Farman
Speaker 1: was from the Westerlands and from fair Islands in the
Speaker 1: Sunset Sea, Okay, the infamous sea that you can sail
Speaker 1: west and you just keep going and you never find anything.
Speaker 1: And Alice is too connected to Heron Hall and the
Speaker 1: Riverlands cultures and true true, and it I guess there's
Speaker 1: a world in which if Alissa Farmon has been here
Speaker 1: for one hundred years, that she would learn that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't yes, since that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, what do you think now that we've had
Speaker 2: the reveal? Do you think that this is about more
Speaker 2: for Alice than just Haaren Hall, or do you think
Speaker 2: it truly is about securing Haaren Hall and the Riverlands
Speaker 2: for herself as like a safe place to just kind
Speaker 2: of exist without the constant interruptions of men kind of
Speaker 2: circy ish, like, what do you feel like, do you
Speaker 2: think she has bigger canations or it's that personal.
Speaker 1: It's about heron Hall somehow, but we don't know how.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's she's been singularly focused, whether it was
Speaker 1: Damon in the previous season Aimon now she wants Gary
Speaker 1: in here. She and she wants someone to give her
Speaker 1: the castle like she tried to get it from Damon.
Speaker 1: Now she's hoping that with Amen they can just take
Speaker 1: it by force, with like hatching these dragons and just
Speaker 1: staying there and building some kind of rogue kingdom like
Speaker 1: they're on their own. But whatever the case, she wants
Speaker 1: heron a why we don't know yet, but she wants it.
Speaker 1: I think that much is clear. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I agree. I think there's something very
Speaker 2: interesting about how much she wants it, and she talks
Speaker 2: of this ancient power, but she doesn't seem to have
Speaker 2: the ambitions of other people in wester Ross, where she
Speaker 2: doesn't even have a Denari's style ambition of breaking the wheel.
Speaker 2: It seems to me that it is about it. I
Speaker 2: also am interested somebody who just loves like fairy tales
Speaker 2: and folklore and stuff. I wonder if there is a
Speaker 2: version where she almost like is Haroen Hall, Like she
Speaker 2: is the spirit of Haroen Hall personified or something, and
Speaker 2: that in itself is the curse to live as like
Speaker 2: the horrors of Haaren Hall. I don't know. I love
Speaker 2: her character, and I think like the expansion for me here,
Speaker 2: especially playing with Amond, who is just such an intriguing
Speaker 2: and like villainous character but also so complex, is really
Speaker 2: broadening out the potential of the magical aspects of the
Speaker 2: show in a way I wasn't expecting. And I think
Speaker 2: connecting that to the dragon's eggs is really really interesting. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we get that moment where Amon says it's warm, the
Speaker 2: implication being that the egg he can feel it. Now,
Speaker 2: is that an alice uh kind of implication or like
Speaker 2: magic to make him imagine what could happen? Or do
Speaker 2: you think that they are implying that with the two
Speaker 2: of them and the power of Haaren Hall, he could
Speaker 2: maybe speed up hatching the eggs.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm not sure. Well, you know, dragonings are just
Speaker 1: kind of hatching regularly there, Like, it's not.
Speaker 2: True, It's not like Denari's times.
Speaker 1: Yet it's not seen as a whatever the recipe is
Speaker 1: for hatching them, whether or not the Targerians know what
Speaker 1: that process is, they are just simply hatching during this
Speaker 1: period in time. So I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: Amen would consider it difficult at.
Speaker 2: All to hatch, at least even if it was at
Speaker 2: least like four or five or three or five of
Speaker 2: the eggs.
Speaker 1: I think he would think would probably hatch. Should we
Speaker 1: talk about Massaria, who continues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's talk about some strategic players, Jason. We
Speaker 2: can start with Massaria for sure. I think she's going
Speaker 2: to be out at this point. I've joined the team.
Speaker 2: I'm draft to kick her out make of the Janets
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. She does not have the juice.
Speaker 2: The one whisper she did get, she didn't give it
Speaker 2: to you on.
Speaker 1: Her I think her whole. I think her ability to
Speaker 1: do her job was limited in the first place, and
Speaker 1: it's been severely discombobulated by her own personal feelings for Vernier,
Speaker 1: which I think are overriding common sense, like whatever you
Speaker 1: would you know, obviously her and Damon have like a
Speaker 1: acrimonious personal history, but like Damon is not wrong that
Speaker 1: like the city watches a problem and something needs to
Speaker 1: be done, and Missaria it feels like only objects to
Speaker 1: whatever he has to say because she, at any cost
Speaker 1: wants to separate.
Speaker 2: It's giving like work wife and real wife. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like now suddenly all three of you are together
Speaker 2: and it's like who's in charge. It's very stressful. I
Speaker 2: don't think she's got the Jews some Fortunately, for a while,
Speaker 2: I did feel like maybe she had some machinations we
Speaker 2: didn't know about. But I'm starting to fear no that
Speaker 2: she doesn't, and not just that her rolodex is not
Speaker 2: deep in kings Landing. Well, that's what I'm saying, Jason,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen one spy. She's asking the people. I'm
Speaker 2: fucking ran now as Queen's God to do shit for her, Like, no,
Speaker 2: have your own people? Where are your little birds? Babe?
Speaker 1: She has?
Speaker 2: She's got no one, She got no rolodex, she got
Speaker 2: no sources, she got no scoops. She couldn't even scoop
Speaker 2: the pregnancy she has.
Speaker 1: She has Madame Sylvie from the brothel, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's like the only phone number, like in.
Speaker 2: Singular source, not enough to do journalism from ll be
Speaker 2: doing whispers. Jason, I want to ask you coming in
Speaker 2: about strategy if you're looking at Lord wormand High Tower's strategy.
Speaker 2: I was very interested to see Gwain's response because I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. From the way that we are being
Speaker 2: shown him right now, he's looking like he's doing pretty good,
Speaker 2: Like it's a crazy swing. But I feel like fromm
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of it from his perspective, within
Speaker 2: his walls, his kind of fanaticism. I think GWayne coming
Speaker 2: in kind of made me realize, actually, really all he
Speaker 2: has is Tumbleton, and we don't really know whether this
Speaker 2: threat of the people of King's Landing or these kind
Speaker 2: of huge network of spies is true or kind of
Speaker 2: bombastically overstated. Where do you feel like he is going
Speaker 2: with this and do you feel, like GWayne, do you
Speaker 2: feel like there has to be another part of the
Speaker 2: plan and ace off his sleeve that we don't know.
Speaker 1: Ormond is acting too confident despite being in a position that,
Speaker 1: as GWayne and many others have noted like, seems very
Speaker 1: very exposed, like there's dragons right there on the outside,
Speaker 1: they can come and kill everybody, Like, yes, you're banking
Speaker 1: on the queen not wanting to create a bad image
Speaker 1: from her regime by every thing.
Speaker 2: To rely on because she yeah.
Speaker 1: But or certainly like Damon doesn't care, Like there are
Speaker 1: hard line elements within her small council that you could
Speaker 1: imagine winning an argument one day and just like they
Speaker 1: descend on you and kill everybody. So and there's this
Speaker 1: huge army that is just like searching for an intact
Speaker 1: bridge and at some point is going to find it
Speaker 1: and be and be on you. So why are you
Speaker 1: so calm? Like what do you have? There must be.
Speaker 2: Bere if I So this is so annoying, he because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about my craziest theories. Obviously Otto dead,
Speaker 2: that would have been a huge pull out if he'd
Speaker 2: have been helping ri if he to that man, there's
Speaker 2: no way that Darron's dragon could be connected to a
Speaker 2: different dragon. Writer, And I don't think that Darron is
Speaker 2: gonna fly the dragon to fight against Venera, And even
Speaker 2: if he did, it wouldn't be some huge win right
Speaker 2: to have one dragon. I'm trying to think what it
Speaker 2: could be, and like who it could be? That would
Speaker 2: be such a shock, I mean, who could I.
Speaker 1: Mean, listen, they've been, they've been, they've been bread crumbing
Speaker 1: for over a season now, yeah, is unhappy with his
Speaker 1: Is there a world in which hu Ormond knows about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, he could be feeling like he could end
Speaker 2: up with three dragons and suddenly Rinera would only have four,
Speaker 2: I think, and then he would have three and even field.
Speaker 1: So I think I do wonder if it's that, huh.
Speaker 1: But also like I don't know how.
Speaker 2: He would have no mean, yeah, I mean he does
Speaker 2: obviously Hugh's wife being in Tumbleton, like he's gonna have
Speaker 2: on the ground hold on.
Speaker 1: In the original In the original meeting between Damon and Ormond,
Speaker 1: when he's getting the surrender and he receives the fake Darren,
Speaker 1: Damon does shiit on off a little bit, just like fu,
Speaker 1: shut up, bitch. Yeah, And so you do wonder if
Speaker 1: Ormond noticed. Maybe Ormond noticed that's and that is pre
Speaker 1: him obviously, this is just in the field, This is
Speaker 1: pre him going to Tumblelon it. It may be there
Speaker 1: be in contact with all Howardy.
Speaker 2: The funny thing though, is I feel like even then
Speaker 2: that's a great poll for them. But as we know,
Speaker 2: Hu and Oflf are not particularly reliable. Like that's so
Speaker 2: I'm like, again, I would hope Ormond has a crazier poll.
Speaker 2: I mean, the funniest thing is like, what's the crazy
Speaker 2: The only character I don't think they're gonna do this, okay,
Speaker 2: but the only character who we know is we know
Speaker 2: is alive and everyone else thinks it's dead is the
Speaker 2: nearest husband, the gay, the gay valerian. There's no way
Speaker 2: they can pull him back out. There's no way. Right.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's not coming, there's no.
Speaker 2: Way, but I would. I hope he gets to live
Speaker 2: happily ever after with his gay boyfriend.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely well. We're going to continue to follow
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon all season. On the next episode
Speaker 1: of X ray Vision, we're diving into X Men ninety seven,
Speaker 1: season two, episode five. That's it for this episode. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Bye. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason
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