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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Anthony Dorset, Demntrey More and
Speaker 1: Newi Scrugs.
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Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: We got Barry Church and Anthony door set and fellas.
Speaker 2: Some tragic news came down a week ago for the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys with the untimely passing of defensive end twenty
Speaker 2: four year olds. Then Marshawn Neeland and we don't have
Speaker 2: to get into the details of it all, but I
Speaker 2: just wanted to open up and give you guys space
Speaker 2: and room because mental health is something that a lot
Speaker 2: of us deal with. I know personally. I talked about
Speaker 2: it on the last show, so I won't eat up
Speaker 2: the airtime with that again on this show. But mental
Speaker 2: health is something that a lot of athletes, a lot
Speaker 2: of people in general deal with and i'd set me personally,
Speaker 2: I deal with those things as well, because there are
Speaker 2: so many pressures that a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 2: that athletes have to go to. Not only just being
Speaker 2: able to perform Sunday in and Sunday out, you know,
Speaker 2: but there are things that you know, a guy coming
Speaker 2: to take your spot, the coach has been on you
Speaker 2: contract year, dealing with injuries, battling it, and that's not
Speaker 2: even dealing with the home stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, You're just dealing with the stuff in the building.
Speaker 2: You dealing with stuff in the building. You know, the
Speaker 2: media critique and the team's not playing well, and you
Speaker 2: know you have expectations for yourself and you're not living
Speaker 2: up to them, and so you're a critique in yourself.
Speaker 2: And again that's all in the building stressors, nothing to
Speaker 2: do what's going on, you know at home and you
Speaker 2: know Marshawn, you know whose mom passed eighteen months ago.
Speaker 2: So you know, sometimes people don't get over those type
Speaker 2: of things. If you're lose, if you lose a parent
Speaker 2: or dealing with whatever. There's a multitude things that we
Speaker 2: can talk about in this but I wanted to give
Speaker 2: the open space for guys to talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: this type of situation and if you deal with you know,
Speaker 2: mental health, what are some of the things that you
Speaker 2: do to kind of help you win the day to
Speaker 2: day battle. So I'll open up the floor to you,
Speaker 2: you know, oh for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, when it comes to you know, mental
Speaker 5: health and all that stuff, I'm serious on that as well,
Speaker 5: because you know, from a young age going off through football, you're.
Speaker 2: Kind of taught to suppress that stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, don't complain or you know, don't cry on
Speaker 5: the football field, and you know, don't let emotions. You know,
Speaker 5: as men, you kind of are to growing up to
Speaker 5: suppress that and it all comes to a point where
Speaker 5: you know, it boils over. I mean we've seen it
Speaker 5: happen time and time again. But when it comes to
Speaker 5: you know, to lots of h Marshawn, it's it's extremely
Speaker 5: tough man and and you know, it kind of threw
Speaker 5: me back to when I had lots of teammate of
Speaker 5: my own, Jerry Brown, you know, during that on that
Speaker 5: whole whole ordeal.
Speaker 2: And it's super sad because you know these guys are young.
Speaker 5: I mean at twenty four, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 5: what you do, what can you imagine you know the
Speaker 5: rest of that life to be. And it's just so young, man,
Speaker 5: so young, and so tragic. So it's extremely sad. And
Speaker 5: that's why I always say, man, check on your people.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just not even you don't even have
Speaker 5: to be like a full hour long conversation, just a
Speaker 5: text message just to hey, how you doing?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 2: You know what's going on with you?
Speaker 5: You know, hollow things going because you never know, you know,
Speaker 5: you might text the right person that day that needs
Speaker 5: somebody to talk to, and you need somebody to vent
Speaker 5: out to. And so I always encourage people to just
Speaker 5: reach out and if you can yourself a group.
Speaker 2: They don't even have to be a group.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just spousal, your loved one, just someone that
Speaker 5: you can regularly talk to, you know, maybe once a week.
Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with therapy. I'm just venting on It
Speaker 5: could be you know, how great life is going, or it.
Speaker 2: Could be the struggles that's going on.
Speaker 5: But just venting and getting you know, those emotions off
Speaker 5: of your body, man, is definitely a.
Speaker 2: Huge for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, mental health is it's the forefront of everything.
Speaker 6: I realize it now being fortunate enough to you know what,
Speaker 6: this is a special occasion. We actually got four players
Speaker 6: here now at the show and shout out to Newly.
Speaker 6: He's seen this time and time again. Working in this
Speaker 6: industry for over two plus decades. Within itself, you get
Speaker 6: to meet different people, You get to meet different personality.
Speaker 3: We always make that ongoing joke when we're young, Hey,
Speaker 3: you gotta be a little different to play football.
Speaker 6: You gotta be a man's man, like there's something that's
Speaker 6: not wired right with you to make it to this level,
Speaker 6: to go want to hit a man at full speed,
Speaker 6: high collision and all this. And it's like my dad,
Speaker 6: I'm a walking cook, Liz. My dad always said there's
Speaker 6: some truth behind every joke. You sit there and say
Speaker 6: that somebody's not wired right, Well, you don't know that.
Speaker 6: For me, I've been that guy. I'm the guy that
Speaker 6: is always smiling in the room. I have ADHD, I've
Speaker 6: suffer from PTSD. I go to counseling at least twice
Speaker 6: a week and not shout out to the NFL trust.
Speaker 6: You know, they offer resources to where we can go
Speaker 6: to counseling. And for me, it wasn't until my friend
Speaker 6: de Marus Thomas, he passed away, going and seeing him
Speaker 6: growing up, watching guys like marrying the Barbarian going through
Speaker 6: like him to be this iconic guy, and we lost
Speaker 6: him a few years ago. There's been a list of
Speaker 6: multiple tude of guys that towards the end of my
Speaker 6: playing career, I was like, I know that I've been
Speaker 6: the emotional guy. I know I'm the guy that's always
Speaker 6: ready to turn on and turn on that light switch.
Speaker 6: But my biggest fear is when I got off that field.
Speaker 6: Whenever this comes to I didn't realize how therapeutic football
Speaker 6: was for me and my connections that I started to
Speaker 6: reach out and we were just talking about it before
Speaker 6: we got on air. AD I went and did the
Speaker 6: brain and body assessment this past weekend and to really
Speaker 6: just truly go out there and see your body and
Speaker 6: how it's working and what's going on. I really challenged
Speaker 6: people too. And when I say challenge people, I'm looking
Speaker 6: at you all as players, because we all got our
Speaker 6: own niche. You talk all the time about your dad
Speaker 6: and his friends, and you experiencing them and not only them.
Speaker 6: You're at the age now to where a lot of
Speaker 6: your peers are either still here or not here. I'm
Speaker 6: at the age I think I'm the youngest one at
Speaker 6: this table going through that big dog he's salt pepper
Speaker 6: popular age out there. But you up there, like we
Speaker 6: all got four different generations of football that is going
Speaker 6: on right here. And when I do motivational speaking, I
Speaker 6: go and talk to people like we've always been told
Speaker 6: man up, don't do this and do that. Well, truly,
Speaker 6: manning up is saying that, Hey, we all go through
Speaker 6: a motion like I'm that guy and Barry, I tell
Speaker 6: you I love Barry and ad no.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 6: But how many times do I call y'all? And I'm
Speaker 6: trying to get a point across, But it's like, I
Speaker 6: don't just call once, like I know we say pick
Speaker 6: up a phone, call and text somebody and do this
Speaker 6: and that. It's not only us at this table, but
Speaker 6: I'm talking to America looking at y'all. Call that person,
Speaker 6: and when you call them, don't just call them once.
Speaker 6: Don't just call them twice. If it's really on your spirit,
Speaker 6: call them three times. Because I tell people all the
Speaker 6: time when I call, I'm gonna call you at least
Speaker 6: two times. And then if you don't answer me, and
Speaker 6: if it's important enough, I'm gonna call you that evening
Speaker 6: or that next day, and then you're gonna have three
Speaker 6: of them, just like it says in the Bible, things
Speaker 6: coming three. I want you to know that it was
Speaker 6: that important, because just as it was important and you
Speaker 6: reach out to these people, we always have that stigma
Speaker 6: as men, the biggest line and the biggest misconception that
Speaker 6: we always say, what do you say? How you doing, brother,
Speaker 6: I'm straight, I'm good, I'm making it and this and that,
Speaker 6: and they be like, okay, I got to the point
Speaker 6: cause people don't realize when you're on Instagram and you're posting.
Speaker 6: Some people post to say hey, I need motivation, But
Speaker 6: a lot of the time, as players, we're posting for ourselves.
Speaker 6: We're posting them. We say, hey, it was only one person.
Speaker 6: Because we feel alone, we feel isolated. We got to
Speaker 6: remind ourselves that we're still that guy. We're posting the
Speaker 6: old highlights and stuff like that, and fans are out
Speaker 6: there like, hey man, you were great, you were doing
Speaker 6: this and that, and that little reassurance kind of brings
Speaker 6: us back to reality. And I'll call my boys and
Speaker 6: be like, hey, bro, you sure you good, because I
Speaker 6: see the way that you're posting, and even if you're not,
Speaker 6: this is what I went through, brother, and so I
Speaker 6: just want to make sure you're good. And every time
Speaker 6: I get done with one of them conversations, I always
Speaker 6: get the man, I really appreciate it because I really
Speaker 6: wasn't gonna answer you. I really was like, man, what
Speaker 6: d Moore won't and this and that, and it was
Speaker 6: like the fact that you were vulnerable with me.
Speaker 3: I really have been going through that.
Speaker 6: And it gets to the point to where now we
Speaker 6: talk for a week or two, and then after that
Speaker 6: we might not talk for a whole another year. But
Speaker 6: now so you're on my list, keep calling you. And
Speaker 6: that's what I'm saying right now. With everybody's going through this,
Speaker 6: shout out to my dog Solomon Thomas. He's been going
Speaker 6: through the mental health battle with dealing with his sister's
Speaker 6: passing defensive linemen where they talk about mental health. I
Speaker 6: encourage every Dallas Cowboy fan, if y'all truly love Kneeland,
Speaker 6: if y'all truly love these players and anybody, reach out
Speaker 6: to their foundations and when you go through these foundations,
Speaker 6: help them. But just send them that message to let
Speaker 6: them know that you're there, because this twenty four is
Speaker 6: too young. Regardless of the situation, It's not just him.
Speaker 6: We're talking about a whole generation that has been tooken
Speaker 6: away from us. This man is a potential future father,
Speaker 6: This man is somebody's son, This man is somebody brother, cousin,
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. For these teammates that are going
Speaker 6: in there leaving flowers here, you after a bye week
Speaker 6: like this, you have to come in in the first day.
Speaker 6: You have to do is sit here and remember that
Speaker 6: your brother is not there. Like that is a lot.
Speaker 6: And guess what, at the end of the day, They're
Speaker 6: still going to have a game at the end of
Speaker 6: this week. And that's what makes it so tough. So
Speaker 6: as much as y'all think these NFL player guys are
Speaker 6: the guys.
Speaker 3: They're human.
Speaker 6: We're all human, and we once we can get back
Speaker 6: to having empathy and just check him on everybody, we
Speaker 6: can truly be here for each other because, like you said,
Speaker 6: you never know.
Speaker 3: This guy had a smile. He was a part of
Speaker 3: a biker club.
Speaker 6: Like I seen one of his best friends was like, man,
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna be able.
Speaker 3: To ride down the road with him.
Speaker 6: Boy, seeing that that young man twenty four years old
Speaker 6: doing them tricks on them bikes with that guy and
Speaker 6: he was a completely different nationality. Like he has touched
Speaker 6: everybody soul. Like this game of football brings us so
Speaker 6: many opportunities to get to know people. But that's what
Speaker 6: hurts so much is that now that you know him
Speaker 6: as a player, now that you get to realize that
Speaker 6: this is a family. This is real, bro, This ain't
Speaker 6: just collisions, this ain't just a tackle.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now you know. It's very sad, you know, and
Speaker 4: just to keep it a buck twenty four years old,
Speaker 4: and you wonder, and there's so many questions that we
Speaker 4: all have, you know, and there's a lot of questions
Speaker 4: that just be answered, you know, unfortunately. But when you
Speaker 4: look at it and everything goes hand in hand. Sports
Speaker 4: psychology is so big and mental mental health is just
Speaker 4: as big as added at the same time, you know.
Speaker 4: And I will go as far as to say, before
Speaker 4: CT actually had a name, and before everybody understood what
Speaker 4: was going on, you had so many dudes Muddy Waters,
Speaker 4: Junior Seau, like all these different big name players who
Speaker 4: are actually taking their lives but doing it in the
Speaker 4: and and in the sense of leaving their brain untapped. Okay,
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna take myself, but I'm gonna leave this
Speaker 4: because this needs to be studied. And one of the
Speaker 4: things I feel like I'm so fortunate about, even though
Speaker 4: my dad having CTE, is that, thank God that it
Speaker 4: didn't get to the place where he actually felt like
Speaker 4: he had to harm himself in any kind of way.
Speaker 4: You know, And just like we all said, you know,
Speaker 4: as as men, we're always taught, especially in this profession profession,
Speaker 4: to be as bravado and to be as strong and
Speaker 4: as be just as as as brave as you can
Speaker 4: be as a man. And a lot of times that
Speaker 4: does mean diminishing your feelings or stepping behind something. But
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like like we already know,
Speaker 4: if there's no outlet and you have no no source
Speaker 4: of actually relieving yourself or venting or getting that stuff up,
Speaker 4: it's just it is gonna come to a head. And
Speaker 4: as it's at some point in time, something's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: You're gonna explode. It's going to be an outbreak, outburst
Speaker 4: or anything. But you just want that place to be
Speaker 4: able to have a place. Like you said, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if it's five people or one person. Just be
Speaker 4: able to communicate and and and be vulnerable enough to
Speaker 4: be true and and and and and help yourself and
Speaker 4: help somebody else at the same time. Because those conversations
Speaker 4: that you talk about, they're just not benefiting you. When
Speaker 4: I make that phone call, they're benefiting both of us,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so you know, like
Speaker 4: and and and and I say this to you guys
Speaker 4: in here, like, hey man, we got to check on
Speaker 4: each other. We have to and and and it is
Speaker 4: so detrimental and so important. But to have a loss
Speaker 4: like this, man, it like you know, I really feel bad.
Speaker 6: And I just I be remiss if I didn't emphasize
Speaker 6: that when we say check on each other, not just
Speaker 6: a simple text, not just a simple cause, do it
Speaker 6: more than once. Be intentional with it, because just as
Speaker 6: much as you want to give the help, they have
Speaker 6: to receive the help. But they have to know that
Speaker 6: they whoever is receiving this information that they genuinely wanted
Speaker 6: doing that.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: That's the whole thing. Man, in all aspects and walks
Speaker 4: of life.
Speaker 3: If you can leave with love brings up to everybody
Speaker 3: in that situation involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredibly tough situation and like you mentioned, man, such
Speaker 2: a young life is so much future ahead of him
Speaker 2: with the potential of being a dad coming down the pipe.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a tough situation. It's one that there
Speaker 2: is no script for, there is no blueprint for. You
Speaker 2: don't know how to proceed with it, you don't know
Speaker 2: how to.
Speaker 6: Go on for it.
Speaker 2: And fortunately, but unfortunately, this is a business. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is a business and somehow, some way, and this is
Speaker 2: the reality of it all is these guys have to
Speaker 2: come back into this building face this situation, but also
Speaker 2: understand that seven days from today you have a football
Speaker 2: game that have to be played.
Speaker 6: And that's the tough part. Like how do you are
Speaker 6: at least not to cut you off, Jesse, but we
Speaker 6: know how you do it. You're young, you gotta do this.
Speaker 6: The job is going to be. It sucks that we're
Speaker 6: talking about a big empathetic moment and a human being,
Speaker 6: but also in the realization that you're still a cog
Speaker 6: in this machine that's going to keep going. Like some
Speaker 6: people that maybe wasn't as close to him, some people
Speaker 6: that's waiting for the opportunity. They're gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: we gotta get out here and going. But there's a
Speaker 6: lot of people that felt like that was their brother
Speaker 6: and guess what, They're still going to go, But what
Speaker 6: type of emotional I remember when the news broke about
Speaker 6: Demarus Thomas passed away and I was on the field
Speaker 6: and I just kept crying like I'm up there, like
Speaker 6: coaches like, hey, do you need a day and stuff
Speaker 6: like that, and I'm like, nah, I still got to play.
Speaker 6: Like if I don't play, I don't have this. And
Speaker 6: so for some people, this is going to be their outlet.
Speaker 6: But when this outlet is done, when this off season come,
Speaker 6: when they go home after practice and it's like dang.
Speaker 6: Normally when you pick up and call your boy and
Speaker 6: tell them to come over and come kick it and
Speaker 6: play the game and stuff like that, that's when it's
Speaker 6: going to hit all over again. So not only do
Speaker 6: they have to process a game plan going out their
Speaker 6: process to go play one of the physical, most physical
Speaker 6: game on this earth, they got a process of grief
Speaker 6: dominating thing, which is grief.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, man, it is tough. And our thoughts
Speaker 2: and our prayers goes out to Marshawn's family both near
Speaker 2: and far, and of course Marshawn's teammates that are right
Speaker 2: down the hall, and they have to find a way
Speaker 2: to somehow compartmentalize this and grieve also and more also
Speaker 2: while preparing to do a job that they've been paid
Speaker 2: to do. And it's it's an unfortunate situation. And I'll
Speaker 2: leave with this is for those who may be dealing
Speaker 2: with certain things. Find your community, get you know, call someone,
Speaker 2: get therapy. If those if there's someone who would listen,
Speaker 2: and I have I have people who are professionals therapists
Speaker 2: who've already reached out to me and said Jesse Holly,
Speaker 2: if there's some people that you know that need professional help,
Speaker 2: I will do it. We will do it for free.
Speaker 2: So there are people are out there who are watching
Speaker 2: this today, or watching the players' lones or hearing the
Speaker 2: sound of my voice, who are looking for help and
Speaker 2: maybe can't afford it right now because I know that
Speaker 2: things are crazy in the in the economy. Reach out
Speaker 2: to me. I have professional people who are willing to
Speaker 2: help you because you matter, You matter to us, you
Speaker 2: matter to someone so and we want you here to
Speaker 2: help you work through this. So there's no way to transition.
Speaker 2: But we'll take our first break of the show, and
Speaker 2: when we come back, football has to be played, and
Speaker 2: so we'll talk about the new additions to the Cowboys
Speaker 2: and how that could potentially help them go on the
Speaker 2: run that they need to for the rest of the season.
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Speaker 2: The Cowboys season continues right now. The Cowboys sit at
Speaker 2: three five and one, and things look daunting, right it
Speaker 2: looks It looks rather daunting. The trade deadline has come
Speaker 2: and gone, and the Cowboys had added some couple of
Speaker 2: players to their to their roster. They went and they
Speaker 2: traded for Logan Wilson, linebacker of the Cincinnati Bengals. And
Speaker 2: then they brought in Quinnin Williams, big.
Speaker 4: Dog, the lead from the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: In addition to you heard Steven and Jerry and others
Speaker 2: talk about, hey, we got some we got some guys
Speaker 2: that are getting healthy and on the come. Most people
Speaker 2: didn't talk about it. But Kaylen Carson, right, he played
Speaker 2: last week. Didn't do too bad, so you didn't even
Speaker 2: didn't even recognize him out there, right, you know, the
Speaker 2: game was kind of out way out of rack a
Speaker 2: little bit, but didn't do too bad. Didn't too too bad,
Speaker 2: went back and watched the game. Didn't do too bad.
Speaker 2: This is a guy who's still trying to feel his
Speaker 2: way out. You get de Mariano Overshow returning. You get
Speaker 2: savone rebel junior returning, excited to see him. So my
Speaker 2: question is Anthony dor said, what the Cowboys have returning
Speaker 2: from this by the health, the health should be good
Speaker 2: on here on out as far as tarking games, and
Speaker 2: the Cowboys realistically make a run and get themselves in
Speaker 2: a position to make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm not dealing with any numbers right now
Speaker 4: because I don't know numbers like that, all right, But
Speaker 4: now to say what the Cowboys have actually done structurally
Speaker 4: to the D line and to the defense, I can
Speaker 4: relate it back to guys that I actually played with
Speaker 4: and some of you guys might remember these names, Grady
Speaker 4: Jackson and Daryl.
Speaker 3: Russell, all right.
Speaker 4: D Russ was a third pick of the draft out
Speaker 4: of USC D tackle similar to Quinn Williams, can ruin
Speaker 4: the drill it and take over the game at any
Speaker 4: time that he wanted to, right. And then you had
Speaker 4: Grady Jackson too as well. And then on the outside,
Speaker 4: of course, we had a couple of dudes who and
Speaker 4: I'm not saying when I said a couple dudes, I
Speaker 4: don't mean to omit their names and like they're just guys,
Speaker 4: but we had some decent pass rushers at the same time.
Speaker 4: Once they were able to clog up that middle, all right,
Speaker 4: and now the quarterback is not able to release and
Speaker 4: come straight up the middle, and you got the pressure
Speaker 4: coming on the outside. First of all, it's like everybody's
Speaker 4: going to benefit as far as with pressures and everything
Speaker 4: on the d line from having both of these dudes
Speaker 4: Kenny Clark and quinnin out there now starting to show
Speaker 4: exactly So now that rotation definitely increases, and now you've
Speaker 4: got another man in there, and it's all about keeping
Speaker 4: d lineing fresh. We know how that works out right, Okay,
Speaker 4: then to hear that Overshawan is coming back, who was
Speaker 4: one of the bright spots of the defense last year
Speaker 4: before he got hurt. I mean he was sidelined the sideline,
Speaker 4: he making interceptions, recovery, whatever the case may be. The
Speaker 4: Revel kid, everybody's been waiting to hear to see him
Speaker 4: play because his upside and everything that he had in
Speaker 4: college and just his background story working at Amazon and
Speaker 4: doing this and doing that, just to have an opportunity.
Speaker 4: So what I'm looking at right now coming off this
Speaker 4: buy is I hope that there's a surge and number
Speaker 4: one confidence and just having this new uh, I guess
Speaker 4: you could say top level player on the team who
Speaker 4: can actually help to his play make everybody better every
Speaker 4: you know, like you know how it is, I go
Speaker 4: get in the secondary with Charles Wisson. I won't play
Speaker 4: like me, no mo, I won't try to get as
Speaker 4: close to be like Charles Wooson Eric out as possible.
Speaker 4: So like it made me have an accountability to try
Speaker 4: to be that much better to at the same time,
Speaker 4: and I just know that we all know this team
Speaker 4: needs a jump start, a boost of energy, a positive
Speaker 4: vibe right now, and and and these two guys, Wilson
Speaker 4: also the linebacker being and everybody coming back is definitely
Speaker 4: something that is generating some energy in a positive place
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys being So I'm hoping that whatever happens numerically,
Speaker 4: I know there's still second in the division, right Okay, so,
Speaker 4: and that's playing to their benefit out of the endang,
Speaker 4: but they've lost a lot of NFC teams at the
Speaker 4: same time, but still being second in the division. So
Speaker 4: I'm literally hoping, you know, And I'm not biased towards
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. I'm just biased towards good football. And I'm
Speaker 4: hoping that this actually makes the team a better team
Speaker 4: and his defense a lot better over these next few weeks.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: So Church, before you answer, can the Cowboys make a run?
Speaker 4: Because I do want And I'm sorry I didn't answer that. Yes,
Speaker 4: I think I hope they can make them. So I'm
Speaker 4: not I don't have any confidence in in the and
Speaker 4: for what I've seen thus far, but I do have
Speaker 4: confidence in them bringing them guys of this caliber. All right,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? It's been it's like like
Speaker 4: we've had the conversation. There's been too much beating around
Speaker 4: the bush right around here instead of going straight through
Speaker 4: in and addressing issues and calling people out and holding
Speaker 4: them accountable. All right, you're bringing a guy who's top
Speaker 4: of his position at run, stopping and and and and.
Speaker 3: Being able to do what he can.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, you have to be optimistic in some
Speaker 4: kind of light here. And regardless if I ever played
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys and I I had a love affair
Speaker 4: for this team. Wait before y'all did, probably you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So it goes back to like I
Speaker 4: want to see them succeed that I just don't believe
Speaker 4: in them all the time.
Speaker 3: And the fact is different. He asked you.
Speaker 6: He said, with the additions that they had, do you
Speaker 6: see them making the playoff?
Speaker 3: Really? I need yes to no hardball straight to the
Speaker 3: answer yes or no? Playoff? Ready with the additions or not?
Speaker 4: He gave me a nice with the additions, if the
Speaker 4: coaching goes right and they can get past the communication
Speaker 4: issues that have been on the team, I see a yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, Church to part that I want you to answer
Speaker 2: before you answer the part about can they make a
Speaker 2: push for the playoffs? Is you always talk about in
Speaker 2: football terms that the rush helps the coverage coverage helps
Speaker 2: the coverage, right, they're tired, hand in hand, right they
Speaker 2: go Russian cover goes hand in hand. Does the addition
Speaker 2: of Quinn Williams now give you a better because in
Speaker 2: the back end the Cowboys get cool. Does this type
Speaker 2: of addition give you faith that the boys will be
Speaker 2: able to defend on the back end better? I do believe,
Speaker 2: And why I do believe.
Speaker 5: And it is tough because it's not like they're adding
Speaker 5: you know, one of the top you know, past rushers
Speaker 5: in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Quin Williams is a flat out dog.
Speaker 5: He's a beast and you know, against the run, and
Speaker 5: he understands how to you know, create pressure for the
Speaker 5: middle of the field, which quarterbacks hate. Like when you
Speaker 5: you can always step up in the pocket if you
Speaker 5: getting drussed, but quarterbacks hate when that for the frontal
Speaker 5: pressure comes at you. But as much of a dog
Speaker 5: as Queen Quinn Williams is, he's not that Aaron Donald
Speaker 5: type of guy that can affect the quarterback as quickly
Speaker 5: as that as as Aaron Donald could. You know, he's
Speaker 5: a beast, but he's not particularly at that level. And
Speaker 5: I believe that's what the secondary needs most, right, now
Speaker 5: is somebody who can get the get the quarterback off
Speaker 5: of his spot immediately, like not giving this guy a
Speaker 5: chance to go through his progressions. And what we've seen
Speaker 5: so far this year, that's what all quarterbacks have been
Speaker 5: able to do against the secondary. They've been able to say, oh,
Speaker 5: all right, ones not there, two's not there, let me
Speaker 5: go back to one. Because we all all that you know,
Speaker 5: coverany series for that long. So it's gonna be tough
Speaker 5: for them to get that much better in the secondary
Speaker 5: when they still don't have that elite edge rusher. But
Speaker 5: where I think it'll help is a lot of these
Speaker 5: offensive linemen. They're gonna put a lot of tension on
Speaker 5: Quinn Williams rightfully, So this dude's a dog that should
Speaker 5: theoretically give the rest of these guys on that defensive
Speaker 5: line more one on one opportunities. Now, with that being said,
Speaker 5: can these guys consistently win those one on ones? We
Speaker 5: haven't seen that so far this year. Like I would
Speaker 5: love to see more from Dante Fowler. This is a
Speaker 5: guy that when he was here, you know a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago, double digit sack guy went to Washington
Speaker 5: double digit sack guy.
Speaker 2: This year he's not really producing that way. You gotta
Speaker 2: watch it. You gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: He's numbers.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize last game that he was leading the
Speaker 6: team in pressures in most QB hits even though he
Speaker 6: doesn't have the sack. Unless that was an inaccurate fact
Speaker 6: that the commentator gave us. He has the most QB
Speaker 6: hits on that D line. He just don't have the
Speaker 6: what you call it to back it up. So I
Speaker 6: just what he said. Let me just play devils at.
Speaker 5: And we see Clowny starting to clumb along a little
Speaker 5: bit as well. But you just need to see more
Speaker 5: consistently win on one on ones along this defensive line
Speaker 5: because they've had their opportunities. They've had it so helping
Speaker 5: the secondary in the back, and I believe he will
Speaker 5: come in and help, But not like astronomically where this.
Speaker 2: Is like a guy come off the edge just this.
Speaker 5: This secondary could just sit on routes that that's not
Speaker 5: the case as far as them making a run, you know,
Speaker 5: getting into this, this to the playoffs or whatever the
Speaker 5: case may be.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta believe it.
Speaker 10: I was like, hey, I can't put the energy out there,
Speaker 10: like I ain't gonna be able to gotta believe that,
Speaker 10: and they are getting healthier in the secondary.
Speaker 2: So stop, they can make a run.
Speaker 5: Stop with the fluff, with this offense that they have,
Speaker 5: they can make a run.
Speaker 2: They can.
Speaker 5: You know, we've seen it, you know this up and
Speaker 5: down lady. But they can make a run. With the
Speaker 5: offensive they have and the additions of Quinn Williams and
Speaker 5: Logan Wilson, who I think is going to surprise a
Speaker 5: lot of cats, they can make a run, honestly in
Speaker 5: my opinion.
Speaker 6: But I've been, I've been, I've been to counseling, and
Speaker 6: I be remiss. I love what my counselor said, because
Speaker 6: we've been talking about counseling. They said, when you go
Speaker 6: in there and you're talking to somebody, you gotta give
Speaker 6: him the hamburger. You gotta give them the fluff, the dressing,
Speaker 6: and then the meat and the potatoes. Boy, y'all made
Speaker 6: a nice good burger with all that fluff. He that
Speaker 6: man salt Pepper Poppy asked, y'all said, based off of
Speaker 6: the Deep Watch.
Speaker 3: You can call it whatever you want.
Speaker 11: Bro.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, I'm good over here. I'm the epathy God.
Speaker 3: It's me.
Speaker 6: Anyways, he told y'all, he said, you that's been buris
Speaker 6: thing this whole season on the show. Oh, behind four,
Speaker 6: we trust, behind me, we do this. No, he asked
Speaker 6: y'all for the defense of players that they added, And
Speaker 6: you think that changed.
Speaker 2: That, well, I asked you the same question. Get give
Speaker 2: me the substance of the burger.
Speaker 3: Substance of the burger.
Speaker 6: They added enough defensive talent, and we all know that
Speaker 6: it takes something really big and momentum to happen during
Speaker 6: the season. I'm gonna say right now, with the turmoil
Speaker 6: that they had, they're gonna bond and stuff like that
Speaker 6: and hopefully come together with the star players that they have.
Speaker 6: I could see them maybe squeezing theirselfs into the playoffs,
Speaker 6: not so much as because of the defensive players. The
Speaker 6: defensive players are naturally are going to help them.
Speaker 4: Yes or no.
Speaker 6: The difference that you know how they say some people
Speaker 6: listen to rebuttal or something. First of all, you see
Speaker 6: you see, you see how y'all y'all just wanted to
Speaker 6: interrupt me. I said, I see them squeezing into the playoffs.
Speaker 6: I was about to get my direction of why I
Speaker 6: see them y'all started off with.
Speaker 3: All the other he asked for. He asked you, and
Speaker 3: I told you.
Speaker 6: I said, I see them squeezing theirself in the playoffs.
Speaker 6: And then he asked me, why do I this way?
Speaker 6: And like I said, it's not because of the players. Yes,
Speaker 6: they're gonna get better because these players are good, but
Speaker 6: the division is so trash right now. There is nothing
Speaker 6: that is It's not like you're over there with the
Speaker 6: Patriots who have came back. You're not talking about teams
Speaker 6: that are both going to be in double digit wins.
Speaker 6: We're talking about a week division that somebody's gonna make
Speaker 6: it in the playoffs with maybe eight, possibly nine, eight wins.
Speaker 3: They sorry about the whole NFC.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's that is the saving grace of why they're
Speaker 6: going to make it to the playoffs, not because the players,
Speaker 6: not because it's chinmatics, but the other teams are still
Speaker 6: leaving them in the fight. So that's why they might
Speaker 6: squeeze in there. Do you think the NFC is trash
Speaker 6: right now?
Speaker 3: The way that is going? You got, you got, what
Speaker 3: what is Washington doing? Washington?
Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking about their division them right there
Speaker 6: like out of those No, I'm talking about the East
Speaker 6: is so trashed like Washington's doing bad. Giants just fired
Speaker 6: their head coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but your three games behind the lead in Philly
Speaker 2: and they already have a game up on you. They
Speaker 2: do like the Path. In my opinion, the Path is
Speaker 2: not trying to win the that's that's you can pretty
Speaker 2: much you need an epicop Colli what you said.
Speaker 4: They need to figure out a way to squeeze up
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 2: You try to find a wild car situation. This is
Speaker 2: and this is and this is the part where they've
Speaker 2: kind of screwed themselves a little bit because in order
Speaker 2: to find a wild car you have to remember you
Speaker 2: lost to the Bears Arizona, Arizona, You tied the Packers
Speaker 2: and you lost, and you lost to the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 2: all those teams that now your losses are you know,
Speaker 2: so now count end. It's tough because the Bears probably
Speaker 2: may get a spot.
Speaker 3: I think the NFC West, that's you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that back, you gotta hope that there's a
Speaker 2: collapse in Chicago and now all of a sudden they
Speaker 2: go from being I think they were five and eight,
Speaker 2: six and eight, start three and eight or Chicago is
Speaker 2: six and three. Right now, I'm gonna say five, and
Speaker 2: I'm keep saying the eight, five and three.
Speaker 5: Uh, which I think that can happen because their division,
Speaker 5: they're gonna eat each other up there. They got you
Speaker 5: still gonna have Detroit, Yeah, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, like
Speaker 5: they're all gonna play each other.
Speaker 2: So that should work it so so how but that's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, those teams in that division who are
Speaker 2: better than you get the wild card. That is true,
Speaker 2: and that's what that's what we got to get. That's
Speaker 2: so you got to try to find your way in
Speaker 2: through the back door.
Speaker 6: So how do they how do they find That's why
Speaker 6: I said, I don't think it happened.
Speaker 2: Is a very when like the next seven you gotta
Speaker 2: go seven to one in the last eight games, or
Speaker 2: at least six and two in the last And that's
Speaker 2: a tough.
Speaker 4: That's tough, very tough.
Speaker 2: That's just that's just you're asking a lot. And and
Speaker 2: when you talk about this.
Speaker 5: Team, it's like you need your big dogs to be
Speaker 5: the big dogs and go out there and play like
Speaker 5: you can't have flash in the pan, like oh my boy,
Speaker 5: old Digg doing this thing.
Speaker 2: But he's up and down like he's too he's too
Speaker 2: much of a roller coaster rat, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's like you got to your big dogs, got
Speaker 5: to step up and play consistently each and every week,
Speaker 5: and you just don't see that.
Speaker 3: From that And that's what I was going to ask you,
Speaker 3: all right, So.
Speaker 2: Hold that thought, hold that thought. Let us do our
Speaker 2: final break the show. We got to pay these bills,
Speaker 2: and when we come back, we'll pick up what demontre
Speaker 2: where you left off. And I do still want to
Speaker 2: ask the question because we have asked a question about
Speaker 2: do you think they can make a run? But also
Speaker 2: is this where you thought the Cowboys would be at
Speaker 2: this point in time of the season at the beginning
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I know, I know. I kept. I kept.
Speaker 3: That's why I had to ride. I had to. I
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Speaker 2: Gonna No nobody that I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't believe.
Speaker 2: I don't believe you got what you got away with
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Speaker 3: That's the problem. No, that's the problem. No, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: But because I.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, so that's the that's the thing, guys,
Speaker 6: you don't know crazy. If you have confidence, that's all
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't do Chris, I don't even
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Speaker 2: Where was we going with this before? I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know defensive line. I guess.
Speaker 3: This money on this d line.
Speaker 2: So let's just lets do for in the show, so
Speaker 2: we talked about do we think the Cowboys what their
Speaker 2: recent additions, have enough to make a run. But let's
Speaker 2: take it even the step further and look back when
Speaker 2: you guys made your predictions earlier in the summer, if
Speaker 2: you got a round training camp, you know, did you
Speaker 2: guys see the Cowboys being here at three five and
Speaker 2: one midway through the season. I'll start yes, I'll start
Speaker 2: with did you feel the Cowboys are going to be
Speaker 2: at this place right here?
Speaker 6: Yes, they're right there on that mark I said about
Speaker 6: what I said about eight or nine wins depending on
Speaker 6: what was going to happen with the defense. I didn't
Speaker 6: think the offense was gonna be doing this good. I
Speaker 6: thought it was gonna be more evenly matched. I didn't
Speaker 6: think it would be so lopsided. But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 6: think it was. I didn't see playoffs like that. Okay,
Speaker 6: it was too much just going into the season. It
Speaker 6: was too many questions, Like I was really excited about
Speaker 6: the George picking stray him come in and I was like, Okay, hey,
Speaker 6: this is gonna give back another option. But with the
Speaker 6: questions that were running back the question of office line
Speaker 6: and then obviously defense, and then once Parsons was gone,
Speaker 6: it was like, oh, yeah, they're they're they're swimming uphill
Speaker 6: for me, So yeah, they're right around the mark line.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Anthony, this when you were looking at your preseason
Speaker 2: prediction of what the Cowboys are going to be this season,
Speaker 2: halfway through the season, did you think that it would
Speaker 2: look this way?
Speaker 4: I honestly thought that they might win about eight games
Speaker 4: this year, just I think me and Trey was in place.
Speaker 4: Did I expect it to look the way it has looked?
Speaker 4: Not at all? Like you I was questioning. You know,
Speaker 4: my biggest question all all summer in trending camp was
Speaker 4: the ring game. Never thought that Williams was gonna come
Speaker 4: here and turn out to be what he's turned out
Speaker 4: to be. Always have faith in Dak, but just never
Speaker 4: thought that the losses that they have accumulated, they would
Speaker 4: accumulate them the way that they did. You know, I
Speaker 4: thought that that literally they would beat the teams that
Speaker 4: we expected them to beat. I thought they would win
Speaker 4: those games. But nah, and and and like Trey said,
Speaker 4: I did see the issues with the defense, especially after
Speaker 4: Micah was gone.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and for me, I thought this team was
Speaker 5: have three more victories, man, Like I thought Chicago, Carolina, Arizona.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, those were marked on mine as like
Speaker 5: those are dub you know W's, you know, Green Bay.
Speaker 2: I thought they might take that l But when I
Speaker 2: looked at it, it.
Speaker 5: Was just like so far, I just didn't think that
Speaker 5: they would be where they are right now, and especially defensively.
Speaker 5: Like I knew they lost Michael Parsons and I knew
Speaker 5: I was gonna hurt, but the second to play, even
Speaker 5: before the injuries to Diggs and all that stuff, it
Speaker 5: was like, man, these guys don't communicate. You got too
Speaker 5: many busts in the coverages, like mental mistakes, and that's
Speaker 5: not something you see from a defense coach by flush like,
Speaker 5: because the system is so it's so simple where you
Speaker 5: could just it's one check here. It ain't like Rob
Speaker 5: Ryan system where he got a check for every single
Speaker 5: motion or if the guy looks this way, we're checking
Speaker 5: it that. It's a very simple defense and these guys
Speaker 5: just haven't been able to get a grasp on it.
Speaker 5: And it's it's looked historically bad so far, but man,
Speaker 5: they gonna make a run though bump.
Speaker 2: All that they gonna make a run song. They gonna
Speaker 2: make a run man. All right, man, that does it?
Speaker 3: Can we put them on record? Can we put pressure
Speaker 3: on him tomorrow?
Speaker 2: All right? So that does it for us. I'll be
Speaker 2: what you guy say, Yes, you're here all week. I'm
Speaker 2: all week. Tell this this is no no, no, what're
Speaker 2: you about to say?
Speaker 6: Tell the fans? Oh yeah, you tell your viewers, bring
Speaker 6: your followers.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you getting ready to say, hey, you
Speaker 2: should be here more.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't do that. I don't don't
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with you now. But I have created
Speaker 2: a good seat in my show, and I don't I
Speaker 2: don't mind coming over here with rental. But I've created
Speaker 2: I've created a good niche and on hanging with the
Speaker 2: boys big name and Kurt and Kurt. We got a
Speaker 2: good thing going over there. We've got a good old thing.
Speaker 2: And I want to do well. I don't want to
Speaker 2: do well over here upstairs, Michael, like you know what,
Speaker 2: Let's make it a truly a player's loud. Alright, So
Speaker 2: all week. I hope that you will join us for
Speaker 2: the rest of the week. As we get more into
Speaker 2: the Cowboys as they prepare themselves to deal with the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3: What's the last part of it?
Speaker 2: For Barry? For DeMont, trait for Anthony, I am Sultan
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