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Speaker 4: The coaching carousel has begun.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be over sooner than you think, will it.
Speaker 7: It has to be why because once the first two
Speaker 7: dominoes fall, everybody else falls.
Speaker 4: And what are the first two dominoes, Well.
Speaker 7: It was Ben Johnson and Aaron Glynn most likely will
Speaker 7: not leave the building of the New York Jets today.
Speaker 8: Second interview with the Jets.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so once the two domino the number one and
Speaker 7: two dominoes fall, everybody else has a hurry and.
Speaker 4: Feel the role did their playoff exit? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Did the playoff exit play any role into them getting
Speaker 8: a job so soon?
Speaker 6: No? Or it was all dependent on those to.
Speaker 9: Cause any hesitation, you mean as far as like the
Speaker 9: way their season ended.
Speaker 4: Nope, not at all a little bit of pause here
Speaker 4: and there.
Speaker 1: Bill, I was gonna wear that.
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Speaker 5: all right, that's that's my question is Yeah, was there pause?
Speaker 5: It definitely wasn't any pause for the Bears. We'll see
Speaker 5: what the Jets ultimately end up doing, but I could
Speaker 5: see one way or the other.
Speaker 4: I kind of thought.
Speaker 5: Glenn would either land in New York or New Orleans
Speaker 5: one of the news.
Speaker 7: So New Orleans is supposed to be his second stop.
Speaker 7: But if you're the Jets, are you letting him leave
Speaker 7: the building?
Speaker 4: You're not? If he's your number one?
Speaker 8: Yes, your kids.
Speaker 9: The Bears went hit to hit with the Raiders and
Speaker 9: was like, yeah, we're not We're not not doing this.
Speaker 1: We're going to just keep throwing money and power it.
Speaker 6: There's no salary caps with coaches. Hey, coach correct?
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, but I mean those two
Speaker 7: were the hold up right in regards the majority of
Speaker 7: the NFL, right, in terms of the head coaching positions
Speaker 7: that were available outside of the Patriots. Right, the Patriots
Speaker 7: had their guy. Okay, that was done and done. Yeah,
Speaker 7: everybody else was waiting. Okay, can we get these guys?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: Can the Bears get Ben Johnson? Yes?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, right here at the buzzard but I no
Speaker 7: wonder you're not quoi today? Oh, no, coy today, I
Speaker 7: got some bouncing it. Cowboys will have much coaching at
Speaker 7: the end of this week. That's why I'm not quite woo.
Speaker 6: That's right, I said.
Speaker 8: I call it like you see?
Speaker 6: Is it two tears in a bucket?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna like what the coast of that statement?
Speaker 6: Take it to the stage?
Speaker 4: What about the first part?
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, the Yeah, I don't know. If I'm there
Speaker 5: with you, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I this is.
Speaker 5: The part of the show where we can get into
Speaker 5: the ruler better, the rumor.
Speaker 4: Mill, whatever is happening here. Yeah, right, but I'm just
Speaker 4: not there.
Speaker 6: Then you're gonna be the head coach.
Speaker 5: The part of the show that got cut off there.
Speaker 5: We were talking about today John Fossil. We were talking
Speaker 5: about the exit of John Fossil and how much that
Speaker 5: does hurt the Cowboys, how much impact he had around
Speaker 5: the impact of Brandon Aubrey and the even presence the
Speaker 5: presence of him was only available due to John Fossil
Speaker 5: and what he brought to the table.
Speaker 4: Same thing with Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 6: Do you know how positive of an individual Bones Fossil.
Speaker 8: Is very Do you see him out there.
Speaker 7: He's the most bubbly consistent person you've ever seen in
Speaker 7: your life.
Speaker 1: But he's even better than that because he is that.
Speaker 9: But a lot of people will hear that and think, oh, well,
Speaker 9: it takes more than that to be No, these players
Speaker 9: will run through a wall for Bones Fossil.
Speaker 8: Not only that, he's a historian of the game. I
Speaker 8: feel like he's watched every NFL game ever in history.
Speaker 8: The dude, his knowledge of the game is.
Speaker 9: Absolutely fossil to your point, And as far as his
Speaker 9: football like Q acumen and knowledge of the game, that
Speaker 9: wasn't NFL officials that were teaching us the media about
Speaker 9: the new kickoff rules at training camp. It was Bones
Speaker 9: Fossil under the tent holding what amounted to a college.
Speaker 1: Course on the new rules for the for the NFL kickoff.
Speaker 9: So, I mean again, most fans understand how huge of
Speaker 9: a loss it is for Bones Fossil to depart this organization.
Speaker 9: But for those that don't, and just like I said
Speaker 9: in the first segment, when we had technical difficulties, for
Speaker 9: those that you tie their disdain to him to you know,
Speaker 9: one or two fake punchs that didn't work, measure that
Speaker 9: up against everything else, positive that he did everything else
Speaker 9: that he meant for the organization. And again, if you
Speaker 9: need us to shrink it down for you, just know
Speaker 9: that Kyle explained the first segment. You don't have Brandon
Speaker 9: Aubrey in this building if not from bones fossil. So
Speaker 9: remember that every time Brandon Aubrey kicked sixty five yards
Speaker 9: and it's right down the middle, thanks bones. Every time
Speaker 9: Cavante Turpin has an impact return, thanks bones. So yeah,
Speaker 9: those types of things and.
Speaker 6: More one of your three that you couldn't lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we wait to see if.
Speaker 7: And the other two are free agents and the other
Speaker 7: one I'm hearing this most likely not.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, what was that they.
Speaker 1: Told l Yeah, I mean I've heard the same.
Speaker 4: What happened? Not being coy? What are you going to say?
Speaker 7: The probability, My understanding is that the probability of al
Speaker 7: Hairs coming back is slim, is very slim.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, here's correct. So that is exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing as well, there.
Speaker 8: You go blowing it up. Well, this is I mean,
Speaker 8: that's kind of quite literally.
Speaker 9: Not to do too much revisit on the first cause
Speaker 9: segment because we want to get to the second segment.
Speaker 9: But like kle said, initially, the longer it took the
Speaker 9: Cowboys to make a decision or McCarthy to make a
Speaker 9: decision on the Cowboys, however, that resolution world happened. You
Speaker 9: put yourself in a position where you have no assistant coaches,
Speaker 9: no coordinators under contract, and they can sign with whomever
Speaker 9: they want. And like Isaiah said, they don't know who's
Speaker 9: coming in. So is that incoming head coach willing to
Speaker 9: keep them or do they want a full completely new staff.
Speaker 9: And if you're an assistant or a coordinator, think of
Speaker 9: it the other way in that I don't know who
Speaker 9: you're bringing in yet I might not want to work
Speaker 9: under them.
Speaker 7: But also on top of that, you know this window's closing.
Speaker 7: It is closing quickly. Right you're in between two walls,
Speaker 7: and the walls are closing in. There's an exit right there, right?
Speaker 4: What window?
Speaker 7: The window of opportunity to sign with a team, to
Speaker 7: be a coach the NFL, to be on a team,
Speaker 7: to have a job in twenty twenty five slash twenty six, Like,
Speaker 7: that's your opportunity for that is closing. As a previous
Speaker 7: assistant coach for the Dallas cast past literally right, So
Speaker 7: like now, as these top two dominoes, as we mentioned
Speaker 7: in the first sere that you might have missed, fall
Speaker 7: in Ben Johnson and most likely Aaron Glenn, other teams
Speaker 7: are going to be rushing to fill those voids with
Speaker 7: the same pool of coaches. The same handful of pools
Speaker 7: of coaches. Everybody's been waiting to see who's going to
Speaker 7: get the top two dogs and now, okay, now let's
Speaker 7: fill our vois. If you are a previous coach for
Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys and one of these coaches calls you
Speaker 7: and shows interest on you because they have to make
Speaker 7: decisions quickly as well, you were not in a position
Speaker 7: to say, hey, stand by, let me check on my
Speaker 7: first option that I don't even know who it is yet,
Speaker 7: you would be my second option. No, yeah, click, once
Speaker 7: that phone ends, I'm on to the next guy. So
Speaker 7: you're not in a position to say, no, hold on, wait,
Speaker 7: let me see. They're trying to see are you committed
Speaker 7: to them.
Speaker 8: You're waiting basically on them to hire a coach that
Speaker 8: you don't know, to say, yeah, maybe I'll keep this guy. No,
Speaker 8: you have to you have to take me out like
Speaker 8: maybe I like this guy, maybe we'll click and you know, if.
Speaker 9: You want to take the respect of this on the table,
Speaker 9: which exactly bones exactly.
Speaker 5: The Senior Bowl is another big hurdle on the horizon.
Speaker 5: I mean, half of the Senior Bowl is scouting and
Speaker 5: what we see and talk about on the Draft Show
Speaker 5: and what we'll talk about on Talking Cowboys and all
Speaker 5: of that element to it. The other half is the
Speaker 5: networking side of coaches that are trying to get jobs.
Speaker 5: And at that point you were slim pickens for opportunities
Speaker 5: out there in the NFL because most teams have either
Speaker 5: filled their.
Speaker 4: Staff because they want to go scout because.
Speaker 5: They want to build to the future, and if you're
Speaker 5: a head coach or an assistant coach still looking for
Speaker 5: a job, you're kind of out of luck.
Speaker 4: Whenever you get to that point.
Speaker 5: Only a couple guys get out of that from that
Speaker 5: networking capability.
Speaker 6: All right, When All Star Games again.
Speaker 5: Kylled coming up this this week. This weekend, the Shrine
Speaker 5: Bowl starts and then next week is the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 6: Week.
Speaker 7: Practices starts Saturday for the Shrine for the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 7: which is here, and the game is next Thursday.
Speaker 4: The first of February.
Speaker 6: So opportunities for your coaches to go see players to
Speaker 6: We'll carrying across t talk.
Speaker 8: Yeah, TikTok is yep, I mean yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Carrying across it's a w W yeah, okay, I don't
Speaker 6: like him.
Speaker 5: I thought it was like the meme that's been going
Speaker 5: around from the Hunger Games about TikTok dying, that whole scenario.
Speaker 8: The we talking about man where to go?
Speaker 4: It's it's right here, they're crazy, all right. There's been
Speaker 4: a lot of.
Speaker 5: Hearsay over the last two weeks, right heresay around the
Speaker 5: Cowboys on what they're doing, heresay around the Cowboys on
Speaker 5: who they're interviewing, on who they're interested in, like the
Speaker 5: front runner. The Vegas odds have had everyone except for
Speaker 5: Josh Rodriguez as a front runner, which is a shame,
Speaker 5: which is unfortunate because honestly, I think he's got a
Speaker 5: better shot than some of these guys to get the
Speaker 5: head coaching job. It's kind of bounced around facts, facts.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: I want to get through all of the rumor mill
Speaker 5: and I want to dispel what is truth and what
Speaker 5: is not truth because you've got connections in the building.
Speaker 5: You've got connections in the building. You've got connections in
Speaker 5: the building. I've got connections in the building.
Speaker 4: Building. Beamer has some of the best connections in the building.
Speaker 5: Shockingly enough, he's got a lot of that because he's
Speaker 5: been around for one hundred years.
Speaker 4: So I want to talk about the rumor mill and
Speaker 4: what is true? Yeah, we got to hit one hundred
Speaker 4: this show. What is true? What is not? Around the Cowboys'
Speaker 4: coaching search.
Speaker 9: I'll start with you Patrick, Well, what's true is that
Speaker 9: the Cowboys do in fact have interest in Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 9: and he is expected to interview this week. So that's
Speaker 9: not That's not a rumor, that's actually a thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 9: Front runner though, I don't anyone labeled a front runner
Speaker 9: right now. I think is a rumor I would agree with.
Speaker 9: And the front office doesn't know who the front runner is.
Speaker 4: So people who are saying there is a front runner
Speaker 4: is it's a.
Speaker 1: Complete, complete fabrication. It is a you don't know because
Speaker 1: they don't know.
Speaker 9: So it doesn't matter what Vegas' odds are because, like
Speaker 9: Kyle said, depending on what day of the week it is.
Speaker 9: Yesterday was Shottenheimer, the day before was Kellen Moore the
Speaker 9: day prior it was Dion Sanders. Until all the candidates
Speaker 9: are actually revealed, how can you know who the front
Speaker 9: runner is?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 9: So you can say who has more familiarity, that's the
Speaker 9: Killing Moore and the Brian Schottenheimer's of the world. But
Speaker 9: then you could say who has more experience, which is
Speaker 9: the Leslie Frazier's of the world, and some of these
Speaker 9: others who might pop up, who hasn't, who haven't popped
Speaker 9: up yet, like a Pete Carroll Water They maybe.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm with Kyle on this one. Isaiah.
Speaker 9: I don't feel like the decision is going to be
Speaker 9: made this week because there's no front runner as we
Speaker 9: have this conversation.
Speaker 1: On Tuesday of this week.
Speaker 9: So Deon Sanders, I think that we talked about that.
Speaker 9: That's just leveraging and headlining. And my opinion, my opinion
Speaker 9: is that Dion being in contract negotiations with Colorado, he's best.
Speaker 9: He's with Jerry. Hey, do me a favor, Do me
Speaker 9: a favor? Okay, cool, I'm not worried whatever. Kella Moore
Speaker 9: is a real thing. Salad can I hit de real quickly?
Speaker 5: I talked to a source that was close to Dion
Speaker 5: this past weekend, and he said Dion is focused on Colorado.
Speaker 4: He said he wants to be in Colorado.
Speaker 5: He's there's a little bit of me like be focused
Speaker 5: on North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Even though both of those signed stop.
Speaker 5: Both of those guys have ten million dollars buyouts, So
Speaker 5: there's that to it as well. The Dion situation is intriguing,
Speaker 5: I think to the front office. I don't think it's
Speaker 5: super intriguing to Dion. And I know there was a
Speaker 5: report out there that if he was offered the job,
Speaker 5: he would take it.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 5: I think if anybody was offered the jobs, they'll probably
Speaker 5: take it. But yeah, the buyout is a hurdle. The
Speaker 5: current extension contracts in Colorado as a hurdle.
Speaker 4: There's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: LUs he so will set up in Colorado.
Speaker 9: He so will set up untouchable, especially if this new
Speaker 9: contract goes and materializes for you. Yeah, like if you're
Speaker 9: Deon Sanders, why would you leave that situation to try
Speaker 9: to turn.
Speaker 8: The time and the place to his strengths too, as
Speaker 8: well as far as recruiting goes, as far as the
Speaker 8: staff staff.
Speaker 5: The amount of staff he was given in Colorado is ungodly.
Speaker 5: He would not be able to do that here planning
Speaker 5: some so I think the Dion thing is intriguing, might
Speaker 5: be kind of fun.
Speaker 4: I think we would have a ton of fun with it, Barn.
Speaker 9: However, there's a reason why that was the first thing
Speaker 9: that broke. But there's been no interview requested or scheduled
Speaker 9: with Dion just yet.
Speaker 8: But there are aspects of Dion that I would love,
Speaker 8: certain traits.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say all.
Speaker 9: There are aspects of most of these candidates and potential
Speaker 9: candidates that that I love within their aspects of a
Speaker 9: lot of these candidates that I could do without sure,
Speaker 9: which is when we go to building a coach. But
Speaker 9: first before we do that, I need because I've been
Speaker 9: reading Isaiah's eyes for the past five minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are your connections?
Speaker 1: I need you to speak on what you what you're thinking?
Speaker 7: No, people, you do, because I've seen I think the
Speaker 7: Deon Sanders thing at first was fluff, then it became
Speaker 7: something that was real because I think that he had
Speaker 7: some run ins with his negotiations over there in Colorado.
Speaker 7: I think those those negotiations are probably getting getting figured
Speaker 7: out now. Yeah, But that there was some pushback in Colorado.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was a real thing. The interest was real.
Speaker 7: I think at the beginning it was mutually beneficial, and
Speaker 7: then it became a real theme because of the pushback
Speaker 7: from Colorado. Almost they almost messed it up. Yeah, So
Speaker 7: now I think that's gonna figured out. So I think
Speaker 7: Deon's off the table in regards to all the other
Speaker 7: coaches that have come through the building or virtual or whatever.
Speaker 7: I think that the Joneses are interviewing coordinators. That's what
Speaker 7: I believe. I don't believe that anybody they're talking to
Speaker 7: is a head coach candidate. I think they're all talking
Speaker 7: about with Kellen Sala. I think they're all up Frasier Frazier.
Speaker 7: Then who's their head Frazier is a is a coach,
Speaker 7: is a mentor for head coaches. That's what his role
Speaker 7: is in the NFL now, No disrespect to him. His
Speaker 7: role now is a mentor to new head coaches. So
Speaker 7: as the Cowboys may have been exploring a new head
Speaker 7: coach and might be exploring a new first time head coach,
Speaker 7: I think they wanted to have an idea of what
Speaker 7: Fraser has done in his previous stints. To mentor head
Speaker 7: coaches and help with their transition, as he was just
Speaker 7: in Seattle with McDonald to help with his transition. I
Speaker 7: think that sala is a is a coordinator thing. I
Speaker 7: think that Kellen Moore is a conversation and mainly to
Speaker 7: try to see if you can steal him back and
Speaker 7: get him back over here to be a coordinated I
Speaker 7: don't see him as a head coach.
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Why would you, he would.
Speaker 7: Not exactly, So I think that's what that is. I
Speaker 7: think everybody that they have talked to has been a coordinator.
Speaker 7: I don't think that they have yet talked to a
Speaker 7: head coach candidate unless they've talked to that candidate in
Speaker 7: previous stents. And I don't know if I've said John Gruden,
Speaker 7: what's that?
Speaker 6: It's a W? Who's that? Maybe this.
Speaker 1: J W?
Speaker 4: I don't that's what you're referencing.
Speaker 7: No, that's not what I'm referencing. I'm referencing Jason, I don't.
Speaker 7: I mean we said this on special edition, but I
Speaker 7: believe that one of my picks would be John Gruden,
Speaker 7: but he hasn't came up in regards to interviews. I
Speaker 7: think he's living it up on first right. I think
Speaker 7: Ron Rivera is still in play. I know some people
Speaker 7: aren't necessarily excited about that, but he's a good dude.
Speaker 7: He's every when he's had a good a good quarterback,
Speaker 7: they won. He knows a defense. He has a culture there.
Speaker 7: Either it hasn't came up, but the interviewed here last year. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So that's somebody that they don't necessarily coordinator as a coordinator,
Speaker 7: that's somebody that they don't necessarily need to talk to
Speaker 7: a bunch, right, because they already have an understanding of him,
Speaker 7: and I know they have a relationship with him. So
Speaker 7: you're you're left with with those names that have done
Speaker 7: it before and that you have a body of work.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know what directions there. Nobody knows what direction
Speaker 7: they're going, but I don't. But from the names that
Speaker 7: we know have been talked to, these are coordinators. These
Speaker 7: are not headcutters.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 7: I do agree with that, and I do think that
Speaker 7: I think with the exception of Moore, You're right, I
Speaker 7: think I think I think they're probably touching base with
Speaker 7: him to see what you know, have you grown maybe
Speaker 7: have you developed in this regard, but you still don't
Speaker 7: I don't think, no disrespect to Kellen Moore, but what's
Speaker 7: his identity?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: No, eater of men like that, That's one of the
Speaker 8: that's the real.
Speaker 1: Questions for me.
Speaker 6: But I don't even I don't even know his offense
Speaker 6: has the identity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 6: Just being straight off.
Speaker 8: He's leaning on the right now arguably one of the
Speaker 8: NFL's MVPs and that for sure.
Speaker 7: But go back to the Chargers, But what's what's been
Speaker 7: the identity? What do you know that you're going to
Speaker 7: get out of killing More?
Speaker 6: You don't know anything, right, So when you talk about
Speaker 6: some of these other coaches.
Speaker 7: You know, you know Ron Rivera, right, regardless of where
Speaker 7: you may lay with that, you know what you're going
Speaker 7: to get out of him. You know what you're going
Speaker 7: to get out of John Gruen, you know what you're
Speaker 7: going to get out of some of the candidates that
Speaker 7: are now being taken off the board.
Speaker 6: You don't know in regards to killing More.
Speaker 7: So that's why I think no necessarily on that, because, yeah,
Speaker 7: one of the boxes that has to be checked is
Speaker 7: are you a leader of man?
Speaker 6: Are you creative?
Speaker 7: Are you can you handle the media, what's your are
Speaker 7: you forward facing?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 7: All these things have to be checked, and I don't
Speaker 7: think that he possesses the main one. He doesn't have
Speaker 7: a character.
Speaker 6: What is his character?
Speaker 9: And also to your point, you don't know exactly what
Speaker 9: his scheme is anymore, right because when he was with Dallas,
Speaker 9: he was adverse to running the ball hill He got
Speaker 9: him let podium a couple of times and kind of
Speaker 9: joked about like, hey, if it were up to me,
Speaker 9: I throw sixty times a game. Right, you go to
Speaker 9: Philadelphia and they won't let you do it because they
Speaker 9: got Saquon Barkley and just a monstrous offensive line. So
Speaker 9: now it's his identity schematically in Philadelphia is Saquon.
Speaker 4: And the best offensive line.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 8: So if you were to bring him, you don't want
Speaker 8: to throw sixty times to that quarterback.
Speaker 9: If you were to bring him back as a head coach,
Speaker 9: you don't have a Saquon. And we don't know how
Speaker 9: things shake out in the draft who they will or
Speaker 9: will not select at the position. You don't know if
Speaker 9: equal Dowd who's going to return, because he might be
Speaker 9: on his Tony Pollard stuff right now, which is hey,
Speaker 9: this is that possibly the highest I'll be at tering
Speaker 9: free agencies value, right, So you just don't know, so
Speaker 9: to your point, it's a lot of question marks there.
Speaker 9: So going back to Colle's question, who's the frontrunner right now,
Speaker 9: there is no front runner because they don't know.
Speaker 1: They're still soaring through some things.
Speaker 5: And because of that, I don't think there's a position
Speaker 5: open or made or a decision made this week.
Speaker 4: I just really don't think it's happening this week. And
Speaker 4: does that.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be just like regular free agency. You're gonna
Speaker 6: be left with the scribe to.
Speaker 5: Be left with whatever you got at the end of it.
Speaker 5: Did we talk about this four weeks ago?
Speaker 4: Yes, we did.
Speaker 5: We talked about four weeks ago. But this is where
Speaker 5: we are, and this is where the situation is. Everybody
Speaker 5: that's throwing names out there, whether it's a content creator,
Speaker 5: whether it's a reporter, whether it's a website, all of that,
Speaker 5: take it with a grain of salt, because not all
Speaker 5: of it is true.
Speaker 4: Right now that's being thrown out there in the building.
Speaker 5: The truth is they're not really getting anywhere yet, and
Speaker 5: this one's not close to being done yet. And as
Speaker 5: I say that, as the only truth in this whole scenario.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there will be a higher tomorrow because that's
Speaker 5: how the thing works. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take
Speaker 5: our second break. When we come back, I'm gonna build
Speaker 5: the ideal candidate. We're gonna take the best elements from
Speaker 5: some of the NFL's past and present head coaches and
Speaker 5: build what you would want and who closest resembles what
Speaker 5: your player and coach would end up being when we
Speaker 5: talk about it.
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Speaker 1: Or with yours yours e?
Speaker 4: That's what we all are today?
Speaker 6: Is it just e?
Speaker 5: Or because we're tired of this coaching search. All right,
Speaker 5: build a ideal candidate. We're going to build a bear
Speaker 5: type things today. We're taking bits and pieces. Yeah, those
Speaker 5: things are pricey bits and pieces of the elements of
Speaker 5: your Yeah, I know your ideal candidate, either from past
Speaker 5: or present coaches in the NFL, and then I want
Speaker 5: you to explain who do you feel like best represents.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, we can't use the same coaches. We're
Speaker 5: gonna do this draft style.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna start things off by play calling. Okay,
Speaker 5: play calling, and we're gonna let Josh defense. Josh is
Speaker 5: gonna go first. We're gonna go offense defense first. This
Speaker 5: is your ideal head coach, so you build it however
Speaker 5: you want it, offense or defense.
Speaker 8: Play calling is the first category.
Speaker 6: What if I don't want then you can say that.
Speaker 4: Then pick a coach that doesn't call plays. Okay, so
Speaker 4: you can do it that way.
Speaker 6: So we're doing places.
Speaker 4: Have fun with it.
Speaker 8: Man, we're trying try not to understand.
Speaker 5: For example, for example, if let's say they hire Pete Carroll,
Speaker 5: is he gonna call plays on either offense or defense.
Speaker 4: So there's your opportunity.
Speaker 7: So we're picking just a head coach right now, just
Speaker 7: just your head coach or your head coach.
Speaker 5: What do you want him to imbody from other coaches
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 4: We're building the perfect coach at top the bottom.
Speaker 6: Hey, coach, just a head coach, Just a head coach.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're not up yet. Josh is going first.
Speaker 8: Play calling wise, let me go with Sean McVay. Okay,
Speaker 8: Sean McVay. I think everything that goes into the way
Speaker 8: that he calls the game. He actually called a really
Speaker 8: great game, uh this past weekend, and to me, they
Speaker 8: were the They look like the better team. They really did,
Speaker 8: and it was if they just hold on fortunate fumbles
Speaker 8: that cost them the game. But I think he's made
Speaker 8: Matt Stafford better. I think he's the whole team is
Speaker 8: better because of Sean McVay. Give me Sean McVay. When
Speaker 8: it comes to play calling, okay, Patrick.
Speaker 1: Play calling, give me Ben Johnson's play call.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 1: I want that creativity.
Speaker 9: I want that forward thinking, hit coach that's not not
Speaker 9: play caller who's not you know, reactive to what the
Speaker 9: trends are in the league. You're setting the trends, you're
Speaker 9: pulling out back the tricks you're you're scouting collegiate playbooks
Speaker 9: and film and looking for new creative ideas that give
Speaker 9: me a Ben Johnson for a PlayGame.
Speaker 5: Okay, remember this doesn't have to be a candidate and
Speaker 5: an opening that's out there.
Speaker 8: It'll be all time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get available.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just making sure I'm going with Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 5: play calling San Francisco forty nine Ers head coach. What
Speaker 5: he's done has been enough to sprout the tree of
Speaker 5: excellents in terms of offensive play callers across the NFL.
Speaker 5: I'm giving, uh, Kyle Shanahan is my play caller up top.
Speaker 7: Okay, what do you think I'm going with John Rex Ryan, Oh,
Speaker 7: defensive guy. Okay, his play calling exit my time in
Speaker 7: the league and what I've seen from him versus some
Speaker 7: of the other coordinators. I face this dude, he's like that.
Speaker 7: He's like the Ben Johnson of defense. He just creates
Speaker 7: whatever the heck he wants to and it's so unorthodox
Speaker 7: and innovative, as innovative as.
Speaker 6: All get out.
Speaker 7: It's like he's sitting in bed just drawing it up
Speaker 7: on his phone and you know, oh yeah, that's my pig.
Speaker 5: Okay, and now you get to go first on the
Speaker 5: second category, which is leadership. Who would you want to
Speaker 5: embody the leadership of that head coach?
Speaker 7: Leadership here with a star, right, I gotta go John Gruden? Okay,
Speaker 7: John Gruden as a leader.
Speaker 4: You think you could handle the circus?
Speaker 6: Yes, he is the circus.
Speaker 7: He brings it to town and it would be entertaining
Speaker 7: embody he embodies circus.
Speaker 5: That would be like that, you know how, like there's
Speaker 5: a traveling circus model and then you turn around and
Speaker 5: that one's just permanent.
Speaker 4: You just build it, you be kind.
Speaker 6: I mean his nickname is Chucky. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, come on, he's an icon.
Speaker 6: You guys understand this all right?
Speaker 8: As far as leadership goes one of the best coaches
Speaker 8: to ever handle the weight of the star that we've
Speaker 8: talked about and we're talking about all times, pastor President
Speaker 8: Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson Man. I think at this point
Speaker 8: Jerry and Jimmy obviously they've made up. If you get
Speaker 8: a coach in here like Jimmy that is able to
Speaker 8: not only lead the team but lead the fan base,
Speaker 8: you know, people can galvanize behind a leader like that
Speaker 8: and believe in him no matter what, no matter if
Speaker 8: you start off with a you know, basically no win season, right,
Speaker 8: I think you would find people that are you just
Speaker 8: need a figure like that now. I think this fan
Speaker 8: base really needs that.
Speaker 6: We need a.
Speaker 8: Leader like that. We need a leader like Dan Campbell,
Speaker 8: someone that you are able to really identify with and
Speaker 8: galvanized behind. I changed to change the culture. You're desperately
Speaker 8: in need of that.
Speaker 9: He's been two for two on mine better. I'm going
Speaker 9: cool Hand Luke here, so I'll see your Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: I'll see you, Jimmy.
Speaker 4: I think we all see you, jim n.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with cool
Speaker 9: Hand Luke, the one that started it all. I'm going
Speaker 9: I need the leadership of Tom Landry.
Speaker 1: That's what I need.
Speaker 9: Tom Landry, who has shown you talk about Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 9: and rightfully so, being able to come into an organization
Speaker 9: after several seasons of lost and then he had the
Speaker 9: first He had a very bad first season with the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: immediately turned that around. Tom Landry quite literally helped establish
Speaker 9: this organization as an expansion franchise took it from dirt
Speaker 9: ground zero. This is the pre Jerry Jones era. Moved
Speaker 9: it all the way to Super Bowl status Hall of Famers,
Speaker 9: you know, Roger star Back and the l like on
Speaker 9: both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: And I know we're in the social.
Speaker 9: Media era nowadays, so when you talk about circus, you're
Speaker 9: thinking of it and through the scope of it's because
Speaker 9: you know everything about the inner working So you could say, oh, well,
Speaker 9: see that's crazy and that's weird. Okay, Well, let me
Speaker 9: tell you back in the sixties and the seventies and
Speaker 9: even the eighties, there was so much that you didn't
Speaker 9: know about because there was no social media. It was
Speaker 9: just as much as a circus as far as keeping
Speaker 9: things on the rails in this organization. And Tom Landry
Speaker 9: was right there keeping things on the rails and keeping
Speaker 9: the Cowboys winning and keeping them relevant, keeping them in
Speaker 9: NFC championships, in Super Bowls. So and I also love
Speaker 9: the cool hand Luke aspect of it. Of yes, I
Speaker 9: love Jimmy's I love Chucky's fire, John Gruden, I'd love
Speaker 9: those types of coaches, Dan Campbell. But there's also a
Speaker 9: lot to be said for one who no matter what's
Speaker 9: thrown at them. It's just the fidor and he's just
Speaker 9: cool because you just know that he's going to get
Speaker 9: it handled, whatever it might be. And now I think
Speaker 9: that invokes a bit of confidence when you tie it
Speaker 9: to his experience and knowing what he can do. So
Speaker 9: leadership wise, give me Tom Landry.
Speaker 5: In a different sense, but a similar reasoning. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go with Andy Reid from my leader life that kind
Speaker 5: of a similar thing. Nothing shakes him, and the play
Speaker 5: calling is a side product of it. He's a great
Speaker 5: play caller, yes.
Speaker 4: We know that.
Speaker 5: But the leadership that he's shown to handle the circus
Speaker 5: that is the Kansas City Chiefs you're talking about Travis
Speaker 5: Kelcey and Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill in the early
Speaker 5: earlier years to win Super Bowls every single year and
Speaker 5: to get back to a championship every single year when
Speaker 5: the circus around it isn't even involved with football the time.
Speaker 4: A lot of the time, it's Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5: A lot of the time, it's it's Caitlin Clark at
Speaker 5: the game this past weekend.
Speaker 4: A lot of times.
Speaker 5: It's it's the Mahomes family outside of Patrick that are
Speaker 5: doing weird stuff.
Speaker 4: On TikTok every day.
Speaker 5: Yet the focus has always been on two things, football
Speaker 5: and cheeseburgers after a win.
Speaker 8: And that's inficiating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and somehow he's got dark magics, the official Chi contendis,
Speaker 5: so there's that level to it as well. All right, experience, Patrick,
Speaker 5: I'll let you go first.
Speaker 9: All this experience, you know, experience, I keep circling. There's
Speaker 9: so many to go around, but I'm going to land
Speaker 9: on Bill par Sales.
Speaker 8: Oh damn, good choice.
Speaker 9: I'm letting on Bill par Sales because that experience. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's self explanatory. I don't have to get all the
Speaker 9: you know what he's capable of, and you know the egos.
Speaker 9: He's been able to rally together, glue together and get
Speaker 9: success and get a Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm going par Sales.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with another Bill, mister Belichick. Just take
Speaker 5: the Super Bowls playing and simple. He's won how many
Speaker 5: of them now?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty good. So I'm gonna just take that one.
Speaker 4: That's an easy win. Experience experience, mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Let's go Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: That's a good one.
Speaker 7: I thought you were going to say, Tom, No, it
Speaker 7: was gonna be no, it would have been Bill Bellich Belichick.
Speaker 7: I'll go with Pete Carroll. Pete Carol's seen it all.
Speaker 7: He came from the Parsils tree as well. He's been
Speaker 7: through those ranks. He understands.
Speaker 6: He's seen it at the college level. He's seen it.
Speaker 6: He's been a champion many many times. He's been multiple
Speaker 6: Super Bowls. He's won it, he's lost it. Right, he
Speaker 6: has the experience of feeling both a heartache in the
Speaker 6: in the yeah, of course, the height of it. So
Speaker 6: I think I will go with coach Carrol.
Speaker 8: Okay, Belichick was my answer for a long time. When
Speaker 8: I kind of interpreted this, I was sort of thinking of, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 8: we saw Bill Belichick towards the end of his career
Speaker 8: in the NFL, right, and we saw how that was
Speaker 8: going and kind of an unwillingness to innovate when the
Speaker 8: game is very much changed and he didn't have the
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame quarterback that obviously one of all the
Speaker 8: Super Bowls. I think now of a guy like John Harball.
Speaker 8: I think about what he's done with different quarterbacks. I
Speaker 8: think of what he's done he's won a super Bowl,
Speaker 8: but I also think he has his best years ahead
Speaker 8: of him. I don't think he's done by a long shot.
Speaker 8: I think he's working with a team that is consistently
Speaker 8: in the picture. But unlike a Mike Tomlin, this guy
Speaker 8: still performs in the playoffs. He really does. So yeah,
Speaker 8: give me John Harball, just catch the sreaking ball. Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a tough one from Mark. All right.
Speaker 5: Uh so yours, Joshes was Sean McVay, Jimmy Johnson, John Harrible.
Speaker 5: That's pretty good trio that Patrick has, Ben Johnson, Tom Landry,
Speaker 5: Bill Parcells.
Speaker 4: You got the New age and the old age is
Speaker 4: what you got out there.
Speaker 5: Isaiah's was Rex Ryan, John Gruden, and Pete Carroll.
Speaker 8: Guy NFL Network. NFL Network team.
Speaker 7: Right, that's a competitive, energy, bus driven team, right there, Bb.
Speaker 5: Those practices are gonna go. And then mine is Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 5: Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of hill.
Speaker 6: A lot of my practices are turned. We got a DJ.
Speaker 5: Everything ours is you better expect to get it done
Speaker 5: and know the playbook and we'll make it happen for you.
Speaker 6: We got DJ's and feet massages.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Uh, mine feels like an overpower like Avengers.
Speaker 5: Superhero Sehn McVay, Jimmy Johnson and john you get all
Speaker 5: of it together, all right. That's gonna do it for
Speaker 5: us here Talking Cowboys. Hope you had some fun with
Speaker 5: us this week. We'll see if we have any answers
Speaker 5: for you next week. Going into this, Uh I help
Speaker 5: so matchup head coaching decision could be Jimmy, it could
Speaker 5: be Johnson, who knows whenever.
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