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Speaker 1: back for another fire drill, joined by usual wingman Michael

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Speaker 1: trees in this book? Alan the family eight muskrat in

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Speaker 1: he is. And reluctantly I had to I had to

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00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: get back on Twitter and you know, defend myself and

428
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: and point out all of the Micholsonian bullshittery that you

429
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: know that was had been hangs over this whole situation,

430
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and people had to weigh in about Phil. You know,

431
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: Brandal Shamblee had some very um strong and and and

432
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: accurate things to say about about Phil's lack of honesty,

433
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: and um, you know again the whole point of that

434
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: question and that press conference was just spread some good

435
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 1: will about Saudi Arabia and live golf. Instead, film made

436
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: it all about himself and it forced us to re examine,

437
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, how duplicitous he can be. So it was

438
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: just like, not only was it was it inaccurate and

439
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: with lame, but it was self defeating because he made

440
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: himself the story again and he made he brought those

441
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: he dreads those comments up again. It was like it

442
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: was how not to conduct a press conference one oh one,

443
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, And of course can you imagine Tiger in

444
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: a million years, Like you know, when the Haney book

445
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: came out and he disliked it so much, he did

446
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: everything in his power to make sure that the words

447
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: Hank Kenies book never came out of his mouth. So

448
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: to your point out pardon me, he did the exact

449
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: exact opposite here. But just you know, I hadn't thought

450
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: about this until until just now. The fact is he

451
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: said to you, you know, regarding the Saudi regime, they're

452
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: scary motherfucker's and now he's in their country well, they

453
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: are scary motherfucker's. By the way, I'm sure we have

454
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: scary motherfucker's. Uh you not to keep using a profane,

455
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: really distasteful uh phrase. Uh, but now he's gonna do

456
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: whatever he can to run from it. Why not just

457
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: own it or not even bothers? As you say? So, well,

458
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: have I have a really funny story. I was gonna

459
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Speaker 1: say this from my book I'm writing about all this,

460
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: but it's too good not to share. The Um the

461
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: number two guy at the Public Investment Fund, you know,

462
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: who's basically floating um this entire live golf and he's

463
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: very hands on. His name is Magic. And I went

464
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: up and talk to him at at live bed minister.

465
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: You know, I really want to do an interview with him,

466
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: and he, uh, he shook my hand. He said, oh, yes,

467
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: I know you, he said. You know when the quotes

468
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: came out, I called Phil and I said, Phil, I'm

469
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: the only sound he guy you've ever talked to. Am

470
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I really that's scary, And I mean he he was

471
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Speaker 1: very disarming and very charming and uh you know that

472
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: he showed some grace and that like that's that was

473
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: well played by him. And um so anyway that that

474
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Speaker 1: really makes me laugh. Ryan, you said your mom is

475
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: reading the philm book. So, um, you know we're all

476
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: way too close to this. But she's she's a golf fan,

477
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: but she's she's not she's not on the beat like

478
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Speaker 1: the rest of us. What what is her impression of

479
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: Phil Michelson now that she's you know, pretty much read

480
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Speaker 1: the whole book. I'm just curious. Yeah, my mom, My

481
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: mom is a very was a very big you know,

482
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Speaker 1: el fan end of story, like a lot of people.

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: And her exact words, I think I text him to you,

484
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: you know in the group chat, was you know, it

485
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: really pulls on my heart strings. And and and my

486
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: mom is very verbal and and very in touch with

487
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: her feelings. She just said, you know, I feel like

488
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: I've been fooled for a long time. Um. And then

489
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: you know, she said, the book has many nice things,

490
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: but you you have we have seen the other side,

491
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: and so you question even the good things, you know.

492
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: And uh and and I mean back to your point, guys,

493
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Speaker 1: I just don't get pr people. And if someone told

494
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Speaker 1: Phil to say that, or Phil just did it on

495
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Speaker 1: his own, Um, I just I don't understand it. I

496
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: mean Harold Varner has that the least amount of crap

497
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: taken because he just put out a statement that he

498
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: was going there for the money, end of story. Like

499
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: if Phil just came out and said, yeah, I said it,

500
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I was scared and I was a out of money

501
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: or whatever the reason was that he was going this

502
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: would all have been gone over. And now, like you said,

503
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: he's brought it up again. I just I don't understand

504
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: why he does it to himself, Like like you said, Alan,

505
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: it was a simple question. It had nothing to do

506
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: with you. He loses the pr battle because then he

507
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: has to come back and say to Bob Herring like, yeah,

508
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it like that. I meant it that

509
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: you know it was off the record. We're just gonna

510
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: have to disagree. I just I just don't understand in it.

511
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: And it feels like this is hard to say on

512
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Speaker 1: one statement. Feels like he didn't learn anything from what

513
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: he's gone through, Like just like you made a mistake,

514
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: he made a terrible Mistakelyle, how do you how did

515
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: you learn from it? And it just it's kind of

516
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: mind boggling to to put himself in that position. It

517
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, that's well said, Um here's what I'll

518
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: say about do you want to talk more about Phil?

519
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: But I will say, I don't know. Did you guys

520
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: watch any live golf this weekend? You know, I never

521
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: I never watched the live stream. I am curious. I

522
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: check out. I click on the scores because I'm probably

523
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: morensted than most people. And um, oh, this is a

524
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: good segue. I mean, Brooks kept go one that the

525
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: tournament over there in Jetta, and so this was interesting.

526
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: I put a question. I posed a question on Twitter

527
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: this morning, and I just said, you know, this is

528
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: a this is a future Hall of Famer. He's had

529
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: all kinds of injury and other issues for two years.

530
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: He finally wins again. He's found his game. Like this

531
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: should be a huge deal, Like this should be a

532
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: big story. And I said, you know, to you the

533
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: golf fan out there, like how much significance to you

534
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: assign to this Keptica win? And it's over two thousand

535
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: comments in a matter of a few hours, and I've

536
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: scrolled through most of them and the overwhelming majority of

537
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: people have said zero, less than zero, none at all.

538
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: And it really, you know, it's sad for Brooks because

539
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: if he did this at a PGA Tourphet, it would

540
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: be it would be really celebrated, like the return of

541
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: the King. And this guy was the most dominant player

542
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: in golf for a couple of years. And he stared

543
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: down tip the Great Tiger Woods at the PGA, and

544
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: and he beat dust and head to head at Best Page,

545
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: and he chard Shinnecock Hills. I mean, these are back

546
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to back US opens like that is a solid gold resume.

547
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: He's obviously got this weird kind of brooding charisma. I mean,

548
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: how Brooks kept back as at the top of the

549
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: game is huge for golf in an in an alternate universe.

550
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: But the utter lack of apathy out there from from

551
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: golf fans was was quite stark. Well, that's because they

552
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: know what Brooks kept going knows, which is fifty or

553
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: four holes, easy course, forty eight players, no cut is

554
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: not the same thing. I mean, we don't know Tiger's

555
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: true state of mind ever about anything. But we've watched Tiger,

556
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and for well, I have since

557
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: since he was a teenager. He's a he's a super

558
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: realist and he has to know that that two thousand

559
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: nineteen Masters it was a great, great victory. Any victory

560
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: is you know, played honestly, is a great victory. But

561
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: it was handed to him. He must know it. Uh.

562
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: And he was choking like a dog when he played eighteen.

563
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: So what can Brooks kept even say about him self

564
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: fifty four holes? Uh? In that situation, that's not tournament golf,

565
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: as your two thousand people who respond to today do it.

566
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: So if if you were in the business of awarding

567
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: points to it, it's something. I'm not saying it's nothing.

568
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Of course it's something, But what is it really? I

569
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know how to begin to judge it. What's

570
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: your friend? Yeah? Yeah, I mean agreed. Uh. Two things

571
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: I watched ten shots, um and and two things struck me.

572
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: One and I mean this very honestly. Zero fans. And

573
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't mean like there was a hundred fans. I

574
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: mean zero fans, which was stunning. It is their home country.

575
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I just assumed that the fairways would be lined by

576
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: everyone just saying you have to get out there. I

577
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: mean I don't mean, I don't mean I'm talking zero

578
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: fucking fans. I mean zero, like players not raising their

579
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: hand to anyone. There was no one there it was unreal, unreal. Uh.

580
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: And the second thing is like what has hit me

581
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: is that leaderboard was really good and no one cared.

582
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: That leaderboard had Sergio uh Dj, Joaquin Neman, Matt wolf

583
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Brooks Kepka A two things one, no one cared and

584
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Speaker 1: be thirty six months ago or twenty four months ago,

585
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: No one in a million years would have thought that

586
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: that leaderboard would be on any other tour besides the

587
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: PGA Tour or some affiliation of PGA Tour, Major or European.

588
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: It is wild time in golf. I mean, that is

589
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: a really good leaderboard. If that leaderboard was at the

590
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Sanderson Farms, people would be freaking the funk out, I

591
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: mean freaking out. And no one cared. Like in general,

592
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, all one cares. It's it's it's a wild thing.

593
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know how live overcomes that. I just don't. Yeah,

594
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: that's there. That's clearly their challenges. And Michael's made this

595
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: point before. The fans don't care about the money. If anything,

596
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: it's off putting, and so that's what they're hanging their

597
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: hat on. You know, oh these huge, these huge numbers,

598
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: but um, I don't know that that's a fundamental question

599
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: for them going forward. But I will say I probably

600
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: give it a little more credence because I've been at

601
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: these live events and the guys are playing hard. I mean,

602
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: there is a certain energy out there, so I mean

603
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: for Brooks to get it done, and you're right, it

604
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: was not It was not Oakmont, but there was there

605
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: was winds were blowing hard. For everything I've I've read

606
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: and all the highlights I've watched, and you know, he

607
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: had to play some golf to win it. So it

608
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: just again, we're not gonna until we get to Augusta.

609
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: What about means? But when we bring all these players

610
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: together and we have a measuring stick, that's accepted. Um.

611
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, I mean, he's

612
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: the lift stuff is inescapable because over on the European

613
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Tour at Valderrama, which is really one of the best

614
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: courses that they play, UM, Adrian Utegi won the the

615
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Andalucia Masters, pretty big, you know, pretty nice event on

616
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the European Tour. Now he is been traveling on two

617
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: passports this whole time. This guy played the first three

618
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: live events, but the European Tour, you know it's gonna

619
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: get it's gonna there's this court case going on. Are

620
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: are they going to be allowed our live players gonna

621
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: allowed play on the European Tour. Let's not getting hurt

622
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: until February. So in this interim, the live players are

623
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: able to compete on the European Tour, and and and

624
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: so a Teggi has has basically after three live events,

625
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: has gone back to the European toris played there. I

626
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: think this was a ninth event since the summer, and

627
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: he wins his fourth for a fourth time on the

628
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: European Tour. He's a very legit player and so, um,

629
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, the courts, I guess we'll decide his future.

630
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: But he's been double dipping, which I guess, more power

631
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: to you if you can get away with it. But um,

632
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: of course that's the nightmare scenario. And the European Tour

633
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: gave him very little coverage even on their own website.

634
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Um you know, in the end, what would be his

635
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: status for the ryder cut down? Well again, that's that's

636
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna be decided by this court case because he's clearly

637
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: still a tour member. He's still filling his obligations of

638
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: playing the minimum number of events. And you know that

639
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: that's also under under judicial review, So we don't know

640
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: he's but now only he's in the top six now

641
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: among them the automatic qualifiers. I mean, he's he's in

642
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: the mix without a doubt, but we don't know what

643
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: it means. So he got world ranking points, he got

644
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: the money, he got the exemptions, and it gives you know,

645
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: it gives him a strong position depending on how this

646
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: this court case is resolved. I wonder how Live feels

647
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: about him playing on the European Tour, you know, I mean,

648
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: they're very much like everybody against us against the world.

649
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, but but Ryan, that's a great question, Ryan,

650
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: But I would say, just on instinct a loan, if

651
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: a player can play his way into the Master's field

652
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: on world ranking points alone and make things awkward for Augusta,

653
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: they would welcome that. Yeah. And again, and his status

654
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: going forward with Live is unclear because he played the

655
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: first three events and none since he's not listed in

656
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: the field for the big season finale at Trump Darral So, um,

657
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what's going on by the seas

658
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: I was trying to get some answers and no one

659
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: would tell me what his status is for the future.

660
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: So this guy, if the court case goes against him,

661
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: he could be a no man's land where you know

662
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: he's he's he's burn his bridges that live for whatever reason.

663
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: He's he's barred from the European Tour and he's always

664
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: have Asia. Um, but you know it's like this is

665
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: a high stakes gambell and um, it's gonna be fascinating

666
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: to watch a play out. So uh, that is that

667
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: drell Field only open to guys who have played all

668
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the live events or are there some guys who have not? No? No,

669
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: because people have come online at different times. You know

670
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: camp Smith doesn't play them all, but he'll he'll go right. Um,

671
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: you know there's this whole year debt a test for

672
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: live and everything's just one of their people told me, like,

673
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're flying the plane as we've builded around us,

674
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: and so, um, you know what we'll see how that

675
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: that final field shakes out. This is my Michael knows

676
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: who's in the field. He's got his Gleaks T shirt

677
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: on underneath that fucking button up. We all know you

678
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: are a huge Gleeks fan, Michael. Is that is that

679
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: what they're called the gleaks doesn't want to call the

680
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Cleeks to see not a g MY team is the

681
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: Niblix running? I think you know that. I apologize to

682
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: the Saudi Prince for calling them gleeks. Definitely, that would

683
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: honestly be better, like they gotta go. You know, the

684
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: names are are so silly, like the Merchant, the merchant

685
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: on that would be off the charts. Could you imagine, like,

686
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's your best idea? Yeah? Um, shout

687
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: out of an odd kind to our colleague and friend,

688
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Bob Harrick, probably the only reporter who has been to

689
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: all the live events so far. Would that be correct?

690
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: On he um? I think he skipped, he sipped, he went. Yeah,

691
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: he was so Bob and I had a lot of correspondence.

692
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, I like Bob. He's such a good person

693
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: and he you know, he had his book. He had

694
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: this Tiger Phil book that came out right around the

695
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: time of mine, and um, whatever there was, there's always

696
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: like a little rivalry or spiciness there. But Bob's been

697
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: He's a dogged reporter. He's done a great job with

698
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: all the live stuff, and you know, credit to him.

699
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: He like he tracked down field in the next day

700
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: and he got he got those quotes that kind of

701
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: semi clarified the whole thing about his comments over there

702
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: about me. So yeah, um, no, I think I believe

703
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Bob skipped one of the domestic events, either Chicago or

704
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: um I think it was Chicago, but I think that's

705
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: the only one. But yeah, he was in. He was

706
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: in in Thailand, and he was in he was in

707
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. So I'll be you know. I I texted him,

708
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: I was like, how was going over there? Because the

709
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: whole question and I thought really long and hard about

710
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: making that trip was what kind of access would there be?

711
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: And my frustration, you know, I I covered, I covered

712
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: the first three live events and then I went and

713
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: then I went to Chicago. But my frustration has been

714
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: institutionally they're shutting guys down who won't speak like I've

715
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: had a number of people say to me face to

716
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: face early in the season, Yea'll sit down with you, Yeah,

717
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: do your podcast, Yeah, I'll talk to you. And they

718
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: come back and like, oh, it's not a good time, Like, oh,

719
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: maybe at the end of the year. And so I

720
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: finally went to some of the lift folks is like

721
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: what the hell? And they're like, yeah, we're kind of,

722
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, trying to we just want to get through

723
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: this season and we're just trying to turn the temperature

724
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: down on things. So they basically there's been this chilling

725
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: effect that's come from the Executive Committee and whoever else,

726
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: And so for me to go to the tournaments, I

727
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: can't do interviews. It doesn't make any sense. So I

728
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of stopped going, Um, are you going to draw? No,

729
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to drought because that's the week of

730
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: the Uncle Tony Invitational in Banning Dunes. And again I

731
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: thought really hard about it, because you know, I had

732
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: had some interactions with Trump when they're at Bedminster, and

733
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: he's part of he's gonna be part of this book,

734
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: and um, it is the season finale. But again, if

735
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I can't do one on one interviews, um, you know

736
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: I can. I can watch highlights and I can read

737
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: the press conference transcript. I've been told that things are

738
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna loosen up once they get through this first season. So, um,

739
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you know seriously that the concert that they're going to

740
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: put on is fire. I mean fire. They are spending

741
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: more on concerts then they are on Brooks Kepka, they

742
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: have Snoop Dogg, Trevis Scott, Michael, Trevis Scott, yes or no, no?

743
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Who he is? Michael real quick sidebar. Michael and I

744
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: are driving to the h Did I tell this already

745
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: on this podcast? I don't think driving to Philadelphia, Michael says,

746
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: tell me some songs that to find you. And we

747
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: listened to Eminem, Michael Bamberger and me jamming out to

748
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: to Eminem. But Travis Scott, uh, Snoop Dogg and the

749
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Chain Smokers. I mean I literally put out a tweet

750
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: that replied to them announcing it. Can I just go

751
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: to the lot of people do that? I mean, so

752
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: I've I've you know, I've been at these events and

753
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: there's the golf crowd. As the golf crowd is filing out,

754
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: people start coming in for the concerts and a lot

755
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: of good look at people dressed really nice you know,

756
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: nice cars. It's like a completely different crowd on some

757
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: people stay on, but there's definitely folks who are coming

758
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: just for the concert. So you can you can get

759
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: away with that, Ryan for sure. Maybe that's maybe that's

760
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: how they're making a little bit of this money back,

761
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: is they're having to. I mean, I don't. I would

762
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: not even begin to know how much you know Snoop

763
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: Dogg and Travis Scott more, especially because he's just a

764
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: little more mainstream now, Like you have to pay them

765
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: in order to get them to play at your event.

766
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be in the seven digits,

767
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: would be my guess. Uh or in the high signal.

768
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Do they charge a separate admission fee or does that

769
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: part of your golf package? I don't know, that's that's

770
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: a better question for him. I don't. I don't know.

771
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen just the concert advertise, but I think

772
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: what happens is you buy the golf ticket and you

773
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: just go only to the concert. In other words, you know,

774
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: so you're paying use the discount codes and you can

775
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: get your your day of golf for fifty or seventy

776
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: five dollars, but in fact, all you're doing is going

777
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: to the concert, which is still achieve him and to

778
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: go to you know, if that was a the you know,

779
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: Levi Stadium in San Francisco, that ticket would be three

780
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: hundred dollars so for that concert, So yeah, you could

781
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: definitely use use not five and you're going to Travis

782
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Scott for like sixty eight bucks. And uh, speaking of

783
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: Kevin Na, how about Kevin Nah having the flu withdrawing

784
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: and shaking everybody's hand, It's great, Hold in the hell

785
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: is he doing? Like, oh I got the flu, guys,

786
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't really feel good and then shaking everybody's hand

787
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: and leaping. I think you make a very good point

788
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: about Eminem and Travis Hill, you know, playing this playing

789
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: this golf tournament, because to me, that dovetails with what

790
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: I've thought all along, which is I think this is

791
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: a Saudi effort to look western, to look mainstream, and

792
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: to look like something they haven't looked like for the

793
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: last you know, ten thousand or so years. Uh, And

794
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: I think it's very effective. And I think when people say,

795
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, oh, they're gonna get tired of losing money,

796
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna get tired of losing money,

797
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of money to be made in

798
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: looking western. Mm hmm, yeah, I don't. I mean, I

799
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: don't disagree honestly, Like, I mean, it's a really good

800
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: concert and people could who are would want to go

801
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: to that concert, could care less where it comes from,

802
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, right, Okay, so here here we are.

803
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: It's like the weekend Golf. Nobody wants to live tournament,

804
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, we can't. We can't stop talking about live

805
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: because it just it's it just blots out the sun.

806
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: But there was a great tournament on the PGA Tour

807
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: um as far as I don't know greats and overstatement,

808
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: it was an interesting tournament on the pg Tour. They're

809
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: over in Japan, the Zozo um. We had a Ricky

810
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: Fowler siding. You know, he's fired his caddy, his coach

811
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: of he's reinventing himself and he played great for fifty

812
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: four holes, had the lead, he didn't get it quite

813
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: across the line, but you know, second place finished. He

814
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: had a t six earlier. It seems like Ricky Fowler

815
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: is on the road to recovery, which you know, there's

816
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: he's always been the butt of various jokes because he

817
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: hasn't won that much given his station in the game

818
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and all the endorsements and everything. But it's hard to

819
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: root against Ricky Fowler. I mean, he conducts himself with

820
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: great class and dignity, and uh, he's very giving of

821
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: his time and of himself, and I think everyone's happy

822
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: to see Ricky Fowler back. But what was your guys

823
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: take on on his performance. I like Ricky Fowler. I

824
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: loved the way plays. I love the way that, you know,

825
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the speed and the lightness of his he's lighting on

826
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: his feet, and uh, I find him very pleasant to

827
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: talk to you. Uh, but fifty four holes it's not

828
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: so needy to and uh that you know, the last

829
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: time he was in contention when Rory one in Vegas,

830
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: that would probably be went well over a year ago. Now, Uh,

831
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same kind of thing. He played

832
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: some really good golf through about sixty seven holes. But

833
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, for those of us who grew up on

834
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: seventy two hold straternament golf, just as fans, I'm saying planet,

835
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: uh seventy two holes or something about it. So if

836
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: you really are back first off, you're winning, and if

837
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: you're not winning, you're playing off. If you're not playing off,

838
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: you're there through seventy two holes. So uh, there must

839
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: still be things that are are very much wrong. The

840
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: swing has always been sort of funky, you know. Uh,

841
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I would I'd be rooting for

842
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: him too. I think it's it's admirable because to see

843
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: what he's doing, because it does take a lot of

844
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: work to get to where he is. I imagine that

845
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: that it does. And uh, I would think he's got

846
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money in the bank and not a

847
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: lot of incentive except for the desired to play good golf.

848
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: That would be my that would be my guests really

849
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: really from Afar. I I have never been a huge

850
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Ricky follower Fowler fan, but it kind of changed. I

851
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: think it was two years ago at the US Open qualifier.

852
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: UM he was in a second alternate playoff and it

853
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: was like ten for two and it was held the

854
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: next morning. There's literally no reason that Ricky followers should

855
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: have showed up like zero, I mean just zero hey

856
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: that he went to the qualifier and be that he

857
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: thought enough to like show up for the second alternate

858
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: playoff and it was like mad respected dude showed up,

859
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: talk to people. A guy actually dunked it from the

860
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: fairway on the first playoff hole to end it pretty quickly,

861
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: and like mad respect he obviously I think it was

862
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: pretty well rumored. You guys are better and in the

863
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: know on this more that he was at least offered

864
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: and could have gone to live. I think it was

865
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: kind of a like, pretty obvious person to go after

866
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: a very popular or not playing well in danger of

867
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: even losing his status. It would have seemed like an

868
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: easy out for Ricky at that point, and he didn't go,

869
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: and now he's scrambling back. I mean, he just doesn't.

870
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Like Michael said, he doesn't. I'm sure he doesn't need

871
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: the money. Uh, and so mad respect for him to

872
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: to come back and do this. I agree, Michael, obviously

873
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: not all the way back, but I mean help he

874
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: basically lost his card last year, so the second place

875
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: finish will go a long way and just keeping his

876
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: card so we can continue this this quote unquote comeback.

877
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean in the fall, the fall events

878
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: have been pretty good. I'm indifferent about Keijian Bradley, but

879
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: uh uh Thagala was in the top ten, Hoveland in

880
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: the top ten, Saner in the top ten. Obviously not

881
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: many people here really cared about it, just because of

882
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: the time difference. Um, but another good fall event for

883
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour at a time they obviously need him. Yeah,

884
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually I love Keikan Bradley. He's always

885
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: be one when I go to guys like he's he's

886
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: a great quote, he's very funny, he's very smart, and

887
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: he's he's not afraid to say things. So I was.

888
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: I was happy for him, you know, first win since

889
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, and you know, you forget that

890
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: guy's a major championship winner. He was. He was a

891
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Wryder Cup monster there for a couple of years and

892
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: he still has a lot of golf in front of him.

893
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: So um, and there's something compelling. It's actually we mentioned

894
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: Kevin Nah. I was. It's a little bit like watching

895
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: Kevin nah. You know, there's you can see the angel

896
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: and the demon on their shoulders out there. You know,

897
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Keegan so fidgety, it so nervous, and um, just the

898
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: weight of it all shows the strain. And that's why

899
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: I think it's fun to watch him. I know, his

900
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: his ordinate preshot routine is a bit much and can

901
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: iss not great TV, but there's something about that to me,

902
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: like it builds the tension and I don't want to

903
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: watch it every week, but when he's in contention once

904
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: or twice a year and you can you can see

905
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: his discomfort, it's it's so palpable There's something about that

906
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: that I find very compelling, even as it is a

907
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: little maddening point of live versus. Everything always ends up

908
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: as live versus the PGA tour. But um, Keegan uh

909
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: did an interview. I think he was facetiming his wife

910
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: and the tour recorded it. I mean he was bawling,

911
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get through couldn't get through it. And then flash

912
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: back to the live interview with Brooks and the guy.

913
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to stop this, they have to

914
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: stop the propaganda. It really is ridiculous. The guy led

915
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: the question with I know you've won majors, but this

916
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: has to be a big moment in your career. I'm

917
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: like the Jetta uh whatever, this is called a big moment,

918
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: and Brooks is like, you know, I mean Brooks is

919
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, huh, yep kind of. But I think you

920
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: know Keegan's it's such I'm not a PGA tour lackey

921
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: that for the people that are gonna say this, I've

922
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: had my brawls with the PGA two. All of us

923
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: have out more than me the other two on this thing,

924
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: but like that, it means something to win. It is

925
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: the struggle back, Like Kegan hasn't won in a long time. Uh.

926
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: And to your point, and that's what Brooks's win should

927
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: have been, like, it is a big point in golf

928
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: that Brooks Kepta, at times one of the best golfers

929
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: in the entire world, is back. And in his interview

930
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: he said, uh, you know, I wasn't sure I was

931
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: going to play again. There was a minute there that

932
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't ever going to see it up again. That

933
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: should be a huge moment. Uh, And it just wasn't.

934
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: And it was not not in the whole golf world,

935
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: but takegan, it was a huge moment. And that's where

936
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's back to the same point. I just

937
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: don't know how lived builds that ever um with their

938
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: current set up, because all of the guys are super rich,

939
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: and I just don't I just don't understand it. If

940
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: it's not a really big deal to the player himself

941
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: to win, you know, how can we possibly expect it

942
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: is for us. I mean, that's that's the starting point

943
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: that the beauty of the majors is there's such a

944
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: yin and yang going on with them. The players care

945
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: a lot, therefore we care a lot. We care a lot,

946
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: therefore the players care a lot, the sponsors care a lot,

947
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: history cares a lot. It's all in one big stew

948
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: and that's the beauty of them. And you know, as

949
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: we've discussed, uh and Allen made this point last time

950
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: we were together. It was a great point. You know,

951
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: the major's will only become more important out of this

952
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: and that that will be good for golf. Or maybe

953
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: Ryan part of me if it was your point, but

954
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, and then the qualifiers for the Mayor no,

955
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: I think it was now the uh, you know, the

956
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: qualifiers for the US Opening, qualifiers for the British Open

957
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: and uh and maybe the maybe the PHA Americle will

958
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: have to develop a similar kind of qualifying system. But

959
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: but that will sprinkle down, that will you know what,

960
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: it will trickle down uh uh and and become more

961
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: important as well. Um uh. You know I'm with young

962
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: and Keithan Bradley. You know, the the emotion that he's

963
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: brought to his golf all through his career has been

964
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: it's I've I've rooted for him for that reason. I've

965
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: also admired the fact that, you know, he spat like

966
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: crazy and he got one he had one conversation. I

967
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: don't know with whom one pre tour official let it

968
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: was a bad look and he quit cold turkey and

969
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: that is not you know, I'm not That's not an

970
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: easy habit to quit. So I've always borrowed him for that,

971
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: that one little who who quit tobacco. He used to

972
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: chew tobacco. I don't know that he chewed. I think

973
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: he just spat like crazy. Um, he's like a nervous tick. Yeah.

974
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: During that a whole weird pre shot Thingjgan Bradley, Uh,

975
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Kegan Bradley wants um candid for Mark Baldwin at Q school.

976
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the downgrade of having me on the bank?

977
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: How did that kind of want having their their friends?

978
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: I cannot It's a very very good story that well

979
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: leave for Mark Baldwin because I'm not sure how much

980
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I can tell and how much I cannot say. It's

981
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: an amazing great story Mark and had to pick him

982
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: up and he was not anyway, So it's a long story.

983
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: It's Mark to tell. It's a great story and it

984
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: needs to be told on a podcast. Okay, I'm flying

985
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: that away for a future reference. Here's the deal, Alan,

986
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: I refused to forget this. I have got to know

987
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: the Australian story, like right now, the ten minutes to

988
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: Australian story. Oh god, what was the context? And we

989
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: were talking about like um, yeah, I don't even remember

990
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: how it was. That just misadventures on the golf beat. Okay,

991
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: so this is the deal. This is like or ninety

992
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: nine it was. Remember Aaron Baddeley is an amateur, was

993
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: an absolute legend, won the Australian Open. He was just

994
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: one of the best teenage golfers of all times. So

995
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I want to go down and do a story. And

996
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: you know back in those days, if you want the

997
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: way to Australia like, you have to come up with

998
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: another story. So kry Webb was also on Almighty tears,

999
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: like I'll do Cary because we've never really done a

1000
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: big story and are great perfect. So I guess I

1001
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: had a cell phone, but it was like early days

1002
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: of cell phone email all that. So I went to

1003
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: an LPGA event and I talked to Carrie's mom, Evelyn,

1004
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: and I said, Okay, I'm going to the Australian Masters

1005
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna come up to Air and I

1006
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: want to spend some time with you because we in

1007
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: in car. I knew Cary was gonna be there at

1008
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: that time. She said, great, lovely, here's the home number. Um,

1009
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, I'll write it down in my book. I'll

1010
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: see you then. And so it was, and it was done.

1011
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: It was like, so I fly to Australia and obviously

1012
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: not a not a short trip. I go right to

1013
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: the Australian Masters and word is battle a just w

1014
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: dd Because he had like a horrible flu. I was like, damn,

1015
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: so bad luck whatever. I talked to other players about him,

1016
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: and when I watched some golf and but this is

1017
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: like he was in bed for days, and so his

1018
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: dad took me out. This parents felt terribly, took me

1019
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: all around and I met Aaron for seven seconds. He

1020
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: walked out of his room his underwear and like he

1021
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: pulled up Kevin Nah, shook my hand. He said, I'm

1022
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm sorry you came all this way. I

1023
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: have to go back to bed. And so literally I

1024
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: went to Australia to do air in Battle and only

1025
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: saw him for maybe nine seconds tops. And but I

1026
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: was still able to do a lot of good reporting. Um,

1027
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a good story because

1028
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: the people around him are excellent talkers, but that you

1029
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: know that happens sometimes. So then I go to Air,

1030
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: which is this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere,

1031
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: and um, I get to my hotel and I call,

1032
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: I call Evelyn and she says, oh goodness, gracious, Oh

1033
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: that's not going to work. I said, I'm sorry. What

1034
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: she said, yes, no, no, Car's not gonna be able

1035
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: to see you at all. I said, Um, I just

1036
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: flew here from California. It's really far away. We had

1037
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: already agreed on this, like she's yes, I'm terribly sorry.

1038
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: I should have ranged. But there's no way you can

1039
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: see Cary um at Carry had come home with a

1040
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: romantic partner and they did not want to be seen

1041
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: in public. And so I and so I was like, okay,

1042
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm here. I gotta write a story. So I was

1043
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: everywhere I'd go in town. I go to the dinner, Oh, Carr,

1044
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: he was just here. And I'd go to the Gulf cup.

1045
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh did you see Carr? She just she just left.

1046
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: And if it was like a sign fell everywhere I went.

1047
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: I just missed Carry by ten minutes and m but

1048
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: and why was there? And of course again the parents

1049
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: felt bad. So they took me around and whatever, and um,

1050
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: there was this the one movie house in Air, which

1051
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: is actually where where Rob and Evelyn the parents had

1052
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: met when their little kids had had fallen and just

1053
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: repair and been shuttered. Carry had had bought it. They

1054
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: were reopening it. Rob and Evelyn were doing all the

1055
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: work themselves basically, and um, if you remember Carry's swing coach,

1056
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: he had been in a horrible accident. He was in

1057
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: a wheelchair. And so everyone again was very colorful. And

1058
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: I want up writing that story as like as a

1059
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: screenplay because of the movie connection, and it's one of

1060
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the best things I've ever or done. Um. But so

1061
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: I went to Australia to do two features. Never never

1062
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: saw Cary and I saw Aaron Badley for one handshake

1063
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: and that was it. But I wrote two big gas features.

1064
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: And you have to be um, you have to be

1065
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: clever in this profession. But I mean, you talk about

1066
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: a disappointing trip. It worked out in the end. I

1067
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: liked those stories, but man, that was that was when

1068
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: when you went to that movie theater, it did it?

1069
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: Did it open up while you were there was planning?

1070
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: It was still um, And I think if I remember correctly.

1071
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: Rob had the father. Cary's father had a background in construction,

1072
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: so he was in there, you know, like working on

1073
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: it. It It was still kind of somewhat gutted, but um uh,

1074
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: you know they described it was it was a big

1075
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: deal in those days. It was like the only movie

1076
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: theater for hundreds of miles apparently, like and you know,

1077
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: you get dressed up and you'd go on the weekends

1078
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: and it was like a big deal. And so it

1079
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: was kind of cute that do you think that? Do

1080
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: you think the place is still open? How do you spell?

1081
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: Why are um? That's a good question. I wouldn't be

1082
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: able to I wouldn't be able to answer that. I

1083
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: haven't thought about it in a while. But Alan, what

1084
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: would you what would you do if if the family

1085
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: or the agent or somebody would have said to you,

1086
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: will make car available to you. You can write her up,

1087
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: but anything about her private life involving a romantic relationship

1088
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: is off limits. What what would you have said in

1089
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: that situation? Wow, that's a that's a tough one. I

1090
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: mean again, because I probably would have said yes because

1091
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: I was there and I would have liked to have

1092
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: spent some time with her and I think car is

1093
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: a very cool person, and um, you know her her

1094
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: romantic life was complicated, you know, and she showed up

1095
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: on the LPGA as this phenomen her her fiance was

1096
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: catting for her and they had a big acrimonious break up,

1097
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: and then I think her dating life went in different directions,

1098
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: and that was in the tabloids in Australia and whatever.

1099
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: So in the end I probably wasn't gonna write about

1100
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: it anyway. You know, Sports Illustrated in the nineties was

1101
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: pretty tight place, and it wasn't really that germane. I mean,

1102
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: of course it is because our romantic lives are a

1103
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: big part of who we are, and for athletes as well,

1104
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: and so um, I'm not sure I would have had

1105
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: the confidence back then to really get into it, especially

1106
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: since they didn't want me to and had made that clear.

1107
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: So another hand, I don't like people tell me what

1108
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: to do, so I probably I might have turned them down.

1109
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a tough one. The young, the

1110
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: young probably would have taken the deal. Yeah, no, I mean,

1111
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: And the reason, and this one surprised anybody. The reason

1112
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: asked the question is you know, one thing I think

1113
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: we've all seen in just like that little Phil exchange,

1114
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: is that people think that there were black and white

1115
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: rules for what we do, and really it's it's so

1116
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: on the margins and in the gray, and there is

1117
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: no right and wrong answer. Actually, you've got to feel

1118
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: your way through every situation and a lot of it

1119
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: has to do with with with trust and history or

1120
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: lack of trust and lack of history, and this case, uh,

1121
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, there was no history. You know, you and

1122
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: Phil had a particular type of history, and um, you

1123
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: know in that affected how that whole thing went down.

1124
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what Phil was thinking, but

1125
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: I know that you were thinking, I've been trying to

1126
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: reach this guy. Now he's finally called me and I'm

1127
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: using it. And you know, as I wrote, I think

1128
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: you were totally entitled to do that. Um, but people, uh,

1129
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they should, but it, uh, it's

1130
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: hard for people to understand what these real life situations

1131
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: are like, Yeah, well that's well said. I mean, so

1132
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: much of our job is interpersonal. And Ryan you know

1133
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: this too, because your d M s and your text

1134
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: people tell you all kinds of crazy stuff all the time.

1135
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're okay, if you use their names. Sometimes it

1136
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: has to be anonymous. Um. Sometimes you fact check it

1137
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: it turns out that it's it's not as as black

1138
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: and white as as they said. I mean, every situation

1139
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: is is kind of a compleat X in its own way,

1140
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to just I mean,

1141
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: there there are rules and there's guidelines, but like I mean,

1142
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: it's very situational and you sort of have to follow

1143
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: your heart on these things. I mean, what is what

1144
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: is your thought on that? Ryan, Yeah, I mean I

1145
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: can relate it. Obviously. You guys have tons and tons

1146
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: of more experience. But the Dustin Manning and I relationship

1147
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: is is kind of like that. Uh. You know, Dustin

1148
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: called me hundreds of times, I mean hundreds and hundreds

1149
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: of times and uh and told me stuff off the

1150
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: record on the record, and I have to find that

1151
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: balance of giving him respect because at the end of

1152
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: the day, I want the story, you know, I want

1153
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: him to feel comfortable enough to keep calling me right

1154
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: because I want the story. So it's just not as

1155
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: black and white like you know, he said, he would

1156
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: say things and then say, Ryan, I really meant that

1157
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: to be off the record, and I'm like, okay, you know,

1158
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: and I kind of have to find the balance of

1159
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, do I let him go or do I

1160
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: not let him go? Or is that really off the record?

1161
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: And so I just navigated it on a like call

1162
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: the call basis, and uh, you know, it's you guys

1163
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: have dealt with it a hundred thousand more times than

1164
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I have. It's just you just navigate it as you go.

1165
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: That relationship I just navigated on a call the call basis. Basically,

1166
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Justin Manning is the guy who put up the Big

1167
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Money Classic. He's a mini tour promoter operator who has

1168
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: a history of not paying his players. And Ryan has

1169
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: been chasing the story for a while and he's a

1170
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: very slippery character. Side note, the guy the guy that

1171
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: d M do you d M me? And I talked

1172
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: to him on the phone today and he says, uh,

1173
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: my wife signed up and lost three dozen think but

1174
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the money back. And I'm like, no, no,

1175
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: I do not. Yeah, I think you can. He told

1176
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: me that he was gonna pay one girl a month,

1177
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, he's not. He's not going

1178
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: to pay anybody, So I would I would write that

1179
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: off pretty quickly. Yeah, yeah, And I mean the off

1180
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: the record thing is is fascinating because again, if if

1181
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: someone says it and you agree to it, then that's

1182
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: that goes in a black box. And as I've said

1183
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: this previously, like the three most explosive things I know

1184
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: to be true about Phil mckinson are not in the book,

1185
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and each of them would have been international news, like

1186
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: probably would have dwarfed the Saudi stuff in some ways.

1187
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: But they're not in the book because they were told

1188
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: to me off the record, and I always honor those agreements.

1189
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: But in the case of Phil, he never asked to

1190
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: go off the record. I never consented to it. Now

1191
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: people have said, do you do you think that he

1192
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: thought he was off the record. I mean, I don't

1193
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: know what Phil is thinking. I'm not a mind reader,

1194
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure. When Phil picked up the phone

1195
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: to call me, he intended to tell me everything he

1196
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: told me, but it was a long emotional phone call

1197
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: and he was getting worked up and we were going

1198
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: back and forth. And that's someone say that's the art

1199
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: of interviewing is to keep getting people to tell you things,

1200
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: and he I would I didn't entrap him. You know,

1201
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: he was doing this. He called me. This was of

1202
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: his own free will. But once we're on the phone

1203
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: and he's going, I'm not going to stop him. And

1204
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I could have said, Phil, are

1205
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: you sure you want to say that? You know, but

1206
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: he's a big boy. He's a very smooth operator when

1207
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: it comes to reporters, and he knew I was writing

1208
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: this freaking book about him. So if he's on a

1209
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: monologue that that's got a lot of heat to it,

1210
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cut him off and and and

1211
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: say Phil, are you sure you want to say that? Yeah,

1212
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: that's just not my role. I'm there to listen. And um,

1213
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: so did did he Did he say more than he

1214
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: intended to? It's possible, but um you know that's on him,

1215
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: not me. So uh, It's it's a fascinating it's a

1216
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: fascinating subject. It could probably you could probably fill up

1217
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: a whole a whole semester of journalist of school, like

1218
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: how this whole thing is played out. But ultimately, you know,

1219
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: as I just I go back to you, like you're saying, Michael,

1220
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: you have to follow your conscience, you have to follow

1221
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: your heart. Like I know that I've treated Phil very

1222
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: fairly and I know that when he called him he

1223
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: had an agenda, and since he never hasked to go

1224
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: off the record, like every words going in the book

1225
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: like that, that will just be always be my position

1226
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: on this. And as he said, we can, we're gonna

1227
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: have to agree and disagree. But um, Phil knows the truth.

1228
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: I know the truth, and um it's it's it's been

1229
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: quite a right ever since that phone call. Well, Jake, Uh,

1230
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: the easiest social clips you've ever had in your life.

1231
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: Those left minute and a half right there. Just chop

1232
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: that up and watch the downloads come in. Well, the

1233
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: second of all that you want to address, But loose

1234
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: Anger Stanger I think is his name. Uh, been very

1235
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: nice to me. Seems to me a nice guy. He's

1236
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: just hung up on the fact that Alan didn't record

1237
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: this phone conversation. And I will say only from my

1238
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: own experience that two people on this call will have

1239
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: a billion more experience than I do. If someone wants

1240
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: to talk, you just shut the funk up and let them.

1241
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: Michael Bamber told me that. And like, if I met

1242
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: a person that I want to talk to and he

1243
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: wants to talk on the record in an elevator, I'm

1244
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: not recording it. I'm just letting him talk. And uh,

1245
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: Dustin Manning used to call me all the time middle

1246
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: of the night on the record. I didn't go, hey Dustin,

1247
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: let me go downstairs and get on my computer so

1248
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: I can record this. And he's like just spelling beans

1249
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: that I want to hear. I'm just letting him talk. Uh,

1250
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: And so it's just yeah, yeah, that's all well said, Yeah,

1251
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: loose Tinger. He sent me dozens of d ms on

1252
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: the subjects. He's a very very interesting personality. But um,

1253
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: I like to record stuff in general when I can.

1254
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: This was a weird deal because I was driving on

1255
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: I five when Phil called me, and when he had

1256
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: originally texted me asking him to speak. I mean, he's

1257
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to talk about meteorites and name image likeness

1258
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: issues and that sort of thing. That was a short

1259
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: text I got from and that's what his lawyer tried

1260
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: to sign me up as a consultant on, which of

1261
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: course I turned down because I was like glaring conflict

1262
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: of interest. So you know, I thought it was gonna

1263
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: be a boring conversation about, uh, you know, how the

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Speaker 1: tours marketing its players. That was how it was kind

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Speaker 1: of built to me, so, um, yeah, if I had

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Speaker 1: known how incendiary was gonna be, I definitely would have

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Speaker 1: recorded it. Just Also, the call dropped like three or

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Speaker 1: four times because I was driving on I five, so

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Speaker 1: we had to call each other back, and it was

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Speaker 1: like it was just kind of a little messy from

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Speaker 1: a tech standpoint. But just for the record, Jake Jake

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Speaker 1: text me twenty minutes ago to rend Hey, Jake, No, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not fucking wrapping it up. We might talk. What

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Speaker 1: are you gonna say, Michael? What? Ran Lou Ankle? What?

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Speaker 1: What about? I think he might be af Just just

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Speaker 1: as a as a quick side note on the On

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Speaker 1: the right before the PHA Championship, I was at a

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Speaker 1: filling station right outside a Tulsa. The phone rang, and

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Speaker 1: says caller unknown. I wasn't expecting any call, uh from

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Speaker 1: anyone in particular, and it was it was Trump calling

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Speaker 1: me directly with no intermediary. And Trump and I know

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Speaker 1: each other well, though I hadn't talked to him for years,

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Speaker 1: and I was interviewing him. I was definitely interviewing him.

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Speaker 1: And but because he's comfortable with me, he was starting

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Speaker 1: to talk about someone in a very personal way, and

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Speaker 1: I just I said, you know, Mr President, and I

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Speaker 1: just want to remind you that I'm interviewing you, so

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Speaker 1: tell me stuff that I can use. And this I'm

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Speaker 1: just giving this as a little illustration of real life stuff.

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Speaker 1: And here's the guy who has been interviewed that was

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Speaker 1: since and thousands of times and there's a response to that.

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Speaker 1: So my so I said, you know, you know, give

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Speaker 1: me stuff that I can that I can that I

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Speaker 1: can use. You know, that's just sort of like real

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Speaker 1: everyday language about how these things play out. And then

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Speaker 1: Trump said, uh, well, you know you cleaned it up.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I'm talking to a reporter, you know,

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Speaker 1: I might just say something and you know, you just

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Speaker 1: sort of clean up, you know. If I'm speaking in public,

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Speaker 1: of course it's perfect. But anyway, but the point being

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Speaker 1: is that people want these phrases like it's on the record,

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Speaker 1: it's off the record. You use this, you can't use that.

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Speaker 1: But the give and take of real life conversation, as

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Speaker 1: you're finding out Ryan with with talking to Mr Manning

1305
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Speaker 1: um is just different. And I think what Phil forgot

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: was that Alan's primary obligation is to tell readers what

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Speaker 1: Phil Michelson's actually like and Phil was serving it up

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Speaker 1: on a platter. What kind of reporter would allen by

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Speaker 1: if he didn't use that? But for whatever reason, Phil

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Speaker 1: forgot that or chose to forget that or didn't think

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, We don't know what he

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Speaker 1: was thinking. And that's of course what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we know he has some impulse control issues, right,

1314
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Speaker 1: Like that's been well documented. And he'd already said no

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Speaker 1: to me three times, was much earlier. His agent had

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Speaker 1: told him not to do it. But in the end

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Speaker 1: he just couldn't help himself. He had to call and

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Speaker 1: tell me how smart he was and out fox jam

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Speaker 1: On and out fox Greg Norman, Like he just couldn't

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Speaker 1: help it. Um, all right, well we are gonna follow

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Speaker 1: the advice of Jake Bouldowney, our producer, who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a recurring character on this podcast. So the listeners will

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Speaker 1: probably be interesting to know that Jake was a longtime

1324
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: caddy abandoned dunes and that's how we actually all got

1325
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: to know him at the Uncle Tony Invitational. And but

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Speaker 1: he had a he had a he had a dream

1327
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Speaker 1: of being in the golf media. He has a gift

1328
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Speaker 1: for for a lot of the technical aspects. And so

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Speaker 1: Jake produces this podcast, poor bastard, and he cuts all

1330
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Speaker 1: of our our socials and uh he's sometimes Danny's a

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Speaker 1: Packers fan and and uh, it's been it's a tough

1332
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: scene I caught. I talked to Jake an hour before

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Speaker 1: this and it was, I mean, full on depression, full

1334
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Speaker 1: on well, somewhat concerned for him, considered sending flowers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: glad to see him on. I mean, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: tough scene. I think all Packers fans are obsessives, but

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Speaker 1: Jake is a kind of Packers fan who dresses his

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01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,799
Speaker 1: dogs and Packers jerseys. So he's he's the lunatic fringe

1339
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: of Packers fan. But anyway, and it's funny that he

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Speaker 1: texted you to wrap it up. Not me, um, very interesting,

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Speaker 1: noted um. All right, So this was a fire drill podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will be doing these every Sunday more or less,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you guys out there listening and sticking

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Speaker 1: to the bitter end. Um. I think we should recognize

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Speaker 1: on our website and UM I would encourage you to

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Speaker 1: check that out as well. So thanks, thanks for thanks

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Speaker 1: for being letting us be in your ear, and for

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Speaker 1: Ryan French and Michael Bamberger. This is Alan Schef. We

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Speaker 1: will be back at it again next Sunday with another

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Speaker 1: fire drill. That's it A bit big, played to win,

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Speaker 1: made a fortune, win my ship game and I ran

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Speaker 1: the table and never thought I could fall. Then the

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Speaker 1: winter time hit me like a cannon the ball and

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Speaker 1: now I can't shake this losing the street. Every road

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Speaker 1: I take is a dead hand stream. I got thoughts

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Speaker 1: in my head, can't you John nothing think what I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about about thoughts in my head? Can get him

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Speaker 1: out and try and not to think what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: H