1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey brain Stuff, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Lauren Bogelbomb here with a classic episode of the podcast 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: for you. In this one, we explore the somewhat touchy 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: subject of driver competency and safety. Experts agree that in general, 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: more experienced drivers are safer drivers, but that doesn't mean 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: we should never retest after someone gets their license. Hey 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, laurenvogel Bomb here. If you drive a car, 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: or sometimes take cabs or lifts, or have ever been 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: around cars, you've likely had at least a few frustrating, 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: more scary experiences with really bad drivers, you know, erratic 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: merging or U turns, or casual disrespect for stop signs, 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: speed limits or pedestrian right of way, or perhaps not disrespect, 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: but ignorance of In a twenty eleven study conducted by 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: GMAC Insurance, nearly one in five drivers weren't able to 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: pass a written test of basic driver knowledge, the sort 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: that licensed applicants take. But even though most people passed, 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: there were some glaring gaps in critical areas. Eighty five 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: percent of those tested, for example, couldn't name the correct 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: thing to do when approaching a yellow traffic light, and 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: only one in four knew how to calculate the safe 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: distance for following a vehicle. See the article version of 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: this story at HowStuffWorks dot com if you want to 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: quiz yourself. Requiring experienced motorists to regularly demonstrate their competence 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: isn't something that's ever been conducted on a widespread basis 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: in the US, where some states didn't even require novice 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: drivers to pass a road test until the nineteen fifties, 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: Only one state, Illinois, has a law mandating road skills 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: tests for licensed renewals, and that's only for motorists who 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: have reached age seventy five. New Hampshire once had a 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: similar age related testing requirement, but repealed it in twenty eleven. 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania randomly selects a small sample of the states forty 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: five and older drivers and requires them to undergo additional 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: medical and vision exams. Based on those results, they might 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: have to take a driving test as well. Only a 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: handful of other states Iowa, Missouri, Michigan, and California allow 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: officials to selectively require road tests for license holders whom 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: they have reason to believe might be unsafe. We spoke 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: via email with Andrea Henry, director of Strategic Communications and 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: Policy for the Iowa Department of Transportation. She explained that 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: in her state, quote, drivers with valid licenses may be 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: asked to demonstrate their driving ability prior to renewal due 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: to changes in their health. This includes physical and mobility conditions, 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: as well as produced vision and cognitive issues. Wild data 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: on how many retests are conducted wasn't available. Most of 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: those drivers end up getting renewals anyway, though many have 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: restricted privileges such as a lower personal speed limit or 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: daytime driving only. One obvious problem with regularly retesting experienced drivers, 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: who numbered around two hundred and ten million in two 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, the most recent year for which Federal 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Highway Administration data was available, is that they'd have to 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: get in line with all of those first time applicants. 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: That would create even longer lines of testing stations that 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: already have their hands full coping with nervous adolescents struggling 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: to perform complex maneuvers like the dreaded reverse two point 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: turnabout without hitting those little yellow cones. A lot of 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: those youthful license applicants end up coming back for retests themselves. 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: As of twenty eleven, in California, for example, forty two 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: point seven percent of applicants flunked the knowledge test, while 59 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: thirty two percent bombed out on the skills test. The 60 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: worst knowledge test performance was in Missouri, with a sixty 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: one point four percent failure rate, while mains would be 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: motorists did the worst in driving skills, with forty percent 63 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: not making the grade, and the US generally has driving 64 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: tests that are a lot easier than the ones used 65 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: by the rest of the world. In the Canadian province 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: of British Columbia, for example, would be drivers have to 67 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: undergo forty five minutes of testing on several different types 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: of road, and also must verbally describe what specific road 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: hazards are immediately beside their vehicles, one block ahead and 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: also behind them to test their awareness. There isn't a 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: lot of evidence that additional test testing over the years 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: necessarily would improve safety on the roads, As the Insurance 73 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Institute for Highway Safety explains, studies have yielded conflicting results 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: on the question of whether age restrictions reduced the rate 75 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: of crashes. In Illinois, they did, but in New Hampshire 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: they didn't. The rate of injury causing crashes per one 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: hundred million miles driven actually is highest among teenage drivers, 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: and then decreases and levels out for decades before starting 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: to rise again slightly among people in their seventies and eighties. 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: That's not the pattern that you would see if many 81 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: people saw their driving skills or knowledge deteriorate significantly in 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: middle age. We also spoke via email with Jake Nelson, 83 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: Triple a's director of traffic safety advocacy and research. He said, retesting, 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: where if you fail the test you lose the license, 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: has been shown to have zero safety impact on the 86 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: drivers involved, and it has been shown to reduce mobility 87 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: by way of drivers voluntarily giving up their licenses due 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: to fear of getting them taken away, rather than any 89 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: legitimate concerns about their driving. There's no justification through DEA 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: data and research for testing or screening at a certain 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: age one. Gary Biller, president of the National Motorists Association, 92 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: which is a nationwide advocacy group, is similarly skeptical about 93 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: the value of retesting experienced drivers, he said via email. 94 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: Safety statistics consistently show that the accident rates of drivers 95 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: seventy years of age and older are not much different 96 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: than those in the thirty five to sixty nine year 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: age group. By contrast, drivers younger than thirty five are 98 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: at the highest risk of accident. That indicates a couple 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: of things. What is that experience behind the wheel is 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: one of the most important factors for safe driving? Another 101 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: is it state requirements for the renewal of driver's licenses 102 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: are reasonable. Those requirements vary state by state, but generally 103 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: include more frequent re licensing and vision tests once driver 104 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: reaches sixty five, seventy or seventy five years of age. 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: But Biller does think there could be value in allowing 106 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: officials the option of re examining certain potentially problematic drivers. 107 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: He said there should be an objective process through which 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: the life licensing agency could be petitioned to do an 109 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: evaluation of a given license holder based on firsthand knowledge 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: of family members, a law enforcement agency, or the courts. 111 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: In fairness, there should also be an appeal process for 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: the person who is in jeopardy of losing his or 113 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: her license or having it restricted. That approach might offer 114 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: some protection against the most clearly impaired potentially dangerous drivers 115 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: out there, but as for the drivers who violate the 116 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: rules because they think they can get away with it, 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: You're probably just going to have to continue to be 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: wary of them. Today's episode is based on the article 119 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: should licensed drivers be tested periodically? On how stuffworks dot com? 120 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: Written by Patrick J. Kiger. Brain Stuff is production of 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio in partnership with how stuffworks dot Com and is 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: produced by Tyler Klang. 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