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Speaker 2: What is going on, everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 2: A lot going on today. Here's the deal. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: also think Jayden Daniels is a good example. I always

430
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Speaker 2: thought this about Lamar Jackson, that when Lamar Jackson went

431
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Speaker 2: to the combine and because Pollon had made the comments

432
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: about a wide receiver, he refused to run. He did

433
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 2: not run a forty at the combine or the pro day.

434
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: I always think fast guys should run because fast guys

435
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: run fast. Last time, whenever I watched Jayden daniels highlights,

436
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: he sure looked fast to me. And if Jade Daniels

437
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: is gonna run in the low four fours, he should

438
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: run even if he doesn't measure in which teams are

439
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: gonna try to get his measurements because I want to

440
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: know how much away. Bryce Young, who has a scout,

441
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: told me last year waddled up to the program full

442
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: of who knows what? Weighed in two hundred plus pounds.

443
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: He said he saw him waddle to the bathroom and

444
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: was in there for a while, pupin poopin who knows.

445
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: We all know Bryce Young's not two hundred pounds, He's

446
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five pound guy. We all know

447
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is skinny. Who cares? Can you put on weight?

448
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: What is your body composition? But if you run a

449
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: four to four. That changes the conversation in these draft rooms,

450
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: fair or not. I just promise you it does, and

451
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: that could be the difference of you going two or three.

452
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: So my recommendation and listen, all signs point to these

453
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: guys working out at their pro days, which I totally understand.

454
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Be around your teammates, being around your guys, being a

455
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: controlled environment that you control, not the league. It doesn't

456
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: bother me at all. But the hell's the difference between

457
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: a pro day and a combine? Not much? But I

458
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: think if Jade Daniels, like, if he has any hesitation

459
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: on running the forty, if he truly is a fast guy,

460
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: which the guy I've seen looks pretty fast, you should run.

461
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: So I think that those stories about the draft a

462
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: little overblown, about the combine just being what's the point

463
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: of it anymore? The points to meet? All these coaches

464
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: in gms, they're the ones deciding on how high you

465
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: should go, and the higher you go, the more money

466
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: you make. Just do a little Topic Tuesday not set

467
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Speaker 2: on this name, but for right now we'll just roll

468
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: with Topic Tuesday. These are just some random topics I

469
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: saw throughout the internet or on television that kind of

470
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: interests me. Brayln Edwards, former Michigan wide receiver, played for

471
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: like the Browns the Jets, was a good wide receiver

472
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: when he was young. Was that like a local YMCA

473
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: Jim And I don't know if he was getting dressed

474
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: to go work out or was getting undressed to leaf

475
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: heard a commotion on some lockers over and didn't think

476
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: that much of it. A couple guys kind of going

477
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: back and forth. Then all of a sudden, he heard

478
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: like a thud and clearly there was like a brawl

479
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: going on. So he went over to look what the

480
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: hell was going on, and he saw an old guy

481
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: turned out to be an eighty year old getting his

482
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: ass kicked by a twenty five year old. This twenty

483
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: five year old wanted the eighty year old just wanted

484
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: the twenty five year old, like, I think, to turn

485
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: the music down. And then the twenty five year old

486
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: started kicking his ass, and I think when Braylan got there,

487
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: he was about to slam his head basically into the concrete.

488
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: And Braylan obviously immediately I'm sure way bigger than this

489
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: young guy who was just I don't care. Listen, some

490
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: older people can pish you off with some of their demands.

491
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: If you're fighting an eighty year old and you're in

492
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: your twenties and it's just something in this situation, the

493
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: guy's not like threatening your family. You're a fucking loser,

494
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: like a complete loser. And it turns out Braylan Edwards

495
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: who broke it up. I think the paramedics later told

496
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: him that they thought he saved the guy's life. Saved

497
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: the guy's life. What a story. Lebron James scored forty

498
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: thousand points. I think two things can be true. First,

499
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: Lebron's longevity is probably going to be unmatch in the

500
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: history of the NBA. How long he's played at a

501
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: really high level. He's still twenty one years in. He

502
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: can score thirty points any game. Pretty nuts. I saw

503
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett basically called him mister Balco, which is the

504
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: kind of group a person that Barry Bonds used to

505
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: go through. I'm not saying that Kevin Garnett did, Like

506
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Speaker 2: I said, very impressive what Lebron has accomplished his longevity. Also,

507
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: I just don't care, and I truly believe most people

508
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: just truly do not give a shit. Lebron's career is

509
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: fascinating because, like ten years ago, one of the more interesting,

510
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: polarizing guys in just sports. I think at this time

511
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: most people just kind of like, don't whatever. It's just

512
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: kind of indifferent. And I think sometimes you play long enough,

513
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: the shine of your just interest just diminishes. I mean,

514
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: we're used to athletes kind of peeking. Twelve fifteen years

515
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: twenty one is just too long. I just I can't

516
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: even have an opinion, Like I truly just do not care,

517
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: no emotion. Cool, some record I didn't even know exists.

518
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Good for you. Last, but not least, the Giants San

519
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: Francisco Giants just signed a free agent Matt Chapman, who

520
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago is a really good player.

521
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Like year sixty million dollars deal and a bunch of

522
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: free agents sign like right around spring training. Manfred Baseball

523
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: Boris and this whole crew everyone involved. Baseball's completely broken

524
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: when it comes to free agency. You gotta figure out

525
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: a way. And I don't pretend to know who's at fault.

526
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Baseball players forever have said the ownership screws them. The

527
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: owners constantly push back. Scott Boris thinks everyone's always getting screwed.

528
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: The only people that truly matter in terms of the

529
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: interest in your sport are the fans, and it's become

530
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: very very difficult to follow baseball. In football free agency starts,

531
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: people are gonna sign in basketball free agency starts, people

532
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: are gonna sign in baseball fruit the hot stove winter

533
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: meetings happen. It's March fourth in top free agents are

534
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: still like negotiating their contracts. Not good. It is not

535
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: good for your sport, and clearly there's no end in sight.

536
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Scott Boris loves doing this, and listen, if I was

537
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: a player, I would want Scott Boris negotiating on my behalf.

538
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: But as a fan of just sports in general, it's

539
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: just not good for the It's just not healthy for

540
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: the sport to be operating like this. Here were the

541
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: special guests. Southern California native. You might have heard of him,

542
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl champion. I feel like it's almost not

543
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: strong enough, given that you have three three times Super

544
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: Bowl champion Andy Reid. How you doing, coach? I'm doing good. John.

545
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: How about you? I'm doing really really well good. I

546
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: saw this video recently. It was when you got introduced

547
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia and how you were bringing you know, everyone's

548
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: talking about the West Coast offense and you were bringing

549
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: over kind of your version that you had, And I

550
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: was just thinking today, you have three Super Bowls, Bill

551
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Walsh has three Super Bowls. Your origin as a coach

552
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: in the NFL, at least under Holmgren, who is a

553
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: Walsh guy. Some of the sites the tree there, You're

554
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: a West Coast guy born and raised. Pretty cool. You

555
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: played the Niners a couple of times in the Super Bowl,

556
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: and you have to play your former team in the

557
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's worked out pretty well as the head

558
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: coach of the Chiefs. No, it has.

559
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: I've been been fortunate. Uh, We're we're all lucky to

560
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: be in the National Football League. You've been there, you

561
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: know that.

562
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: It's uh.

563
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: And then to play to play San Francisco, where I

564
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: coached at San Francisco State on one of my early jobs.

565
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 4: And and so I'm parcel to that city. I mean,

566
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: I like, I'm an LA guy that's parcel of that city.

567
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: But and then obviously we had such a great time

568
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia and and uh, great people there that I'm

569
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: still very close to.

570
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Speaker 2: My mother is very angry at me. She's a she's

571
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: from northern California, but she is the biggest Chiefs fan

572
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: you'll ever meet because of you and what you did

573
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: for me. And I picked against you guys multiple times,

574
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: I like a lot of people, and I regretted it

575
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: a lot. How about the Super Bowl run? I mean,

576
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: you were an underdog playing on the road going to Buffalo,

577
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: pretty historic place. Talk to me about just pretty crazy season. Yeah,

578
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: and you guys really hit the gas pedal at the end.

579
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: That was that was a different apologize to pick against

580
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Speaker 2: you won't happen.

581
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a different route that we took this year.

582
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: For sure, we'd always had home field advantage and kind

583
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 4: of worked through that. But I was probably so proud

584
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: of the guys, and I think that was probably will

585
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: stick out to me about this team, about sticking together,

586
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 4: working through the highs and the lows of the season.

587
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: Season was up, we had.

588
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Ups and downs offensively, defense was very consistent, offense was not.

589
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: But we grew and and nobody pointed fingers, which was

590
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: a great That was a great thing. Tribute to the

591
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: guys and the coaches so and I love your mom

592
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: so other than that, it's just great.

593
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: I was talking to Beach. You know the teams that

594
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Speaker 2: gave San Francisco trouble throughout the year, Baltimore, Cincinnati and

595
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: the rounds AFC North Tough Division. You know historically, you

596
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: guys early on in the homes, they are a little

597
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: more offensive. You guys were a defensive team. I mean

598
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: that's the best you played with, some good ones with

599
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: Jim Johnson, but best tackling secondary of your career. Now,

600
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: they did a great job.

601
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: Those were all young pups last year and then they

602
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: they kind of took off once we got into the

603
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: playoffs last year and and then coming into camp, I'm going, no,

604
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: these guys, this is this is gonna be the strength

605
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: of our team.

606
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Is this defense.

607
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: The windows were smaller, man coverage was tighter, and and

608
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: they're they have great leadership there. So uh, I wasn't

609
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: surprised by it at all. Their spags as a phenomenal coach,

610
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 4: as are the other defensive coaches, and so it didn't

611
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: surprise me. I I knew, I knew the offense was

612
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 4: going to take time, and especially somebody finding somebody opposite Kels.

613
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so important. We had always had Ju.

614
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: We had Juju, we had Sammy and those positions and

615
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: Pringle for a couple of years. Those all those guys

616
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 4: had learned how to play opposite Kelson in space, but

617
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: they all had experience. So here's where she coming in from.

618
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 4: SMU comes in and the echo player. Yeah, but learning

619
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Speaker 4: all of that, learning that inside stuff and how to

620
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: maneuver off linebackers, Nickels safeties took some time, and not

621
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: because of lack of effort by any means. See, it

622
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: was just you have to do it, and then Kelsey

623
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 4: and Pat helped them. I thought that that was for

624
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: his maturation that was invaluable.

625
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people talk about you offensive guy,

626
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: quarterback guru. You know you're a former offensive lineman, but

627
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: you've dealt with the quarterbacks going back to far at

628
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: least in the pros. Is that a Is that an

629
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: area that you just grow at over time or is

630
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: it something you think that just comes natural to you

631
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: because offensive lineman quarterback, it's not you're a former quarterback.

632
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: Jimmy man that that line where he said he came

633
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 4: to came to Green Bay and I'm coach at the court.

634
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: He goes, I knew it was time to retire when

635
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: one of my Linemen was coaching me, which which is

636
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: kind of true.

637
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: But there's nobody that I guess you guys threw the

638
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: ball a lot when you were playing in college in

639
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: the YU.

640
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's nobody that knows a good quarterback more

641
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: than the old line. I mean, you go in and

642
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: scout somebody. You want to scout a quarterback, go talk

643
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 4: to the old line. They'll tell you whether he's got

644
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: or doesn't have it. So I it was just a

645
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: matter of learning the fundamentals. Mike Holmgren was great in

646
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: teaching me that, and and I worked with Steve Marry Ucci,

647
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: John Gruden. I mean, these guys were phenomenal with that position.

648
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: So I was able to learn a lot from them.

649
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: And then for far Doug Peterson to welcome me in

650
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: to that club was also special. And we had we

651
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: had a great relationship, and I hope I was able

652
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 4: to teach him a little bit about three techniques.

653
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: You seem pretty calm at least when the when the

654
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: when it showed you during the Super Bowl and you

655
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: guys were down a lot of that game. Patrick also

656
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: seemed very calm. You could see it in his eyes. Uh,

657
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: were you ever nervous? At points in time in the game.

658
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: Do you get nervous anymore in the in the middle

659
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: of a game.

660
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's nervous or

661
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: anxious or I don't know what that what term it

662
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: would be. But I didn't feel that way. I felt

663
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: like we saw a lot We didn't run a lot

664
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: of plays in the first half offensively, so coming to

665
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: the second half, I felt like we had a you know,

666
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: a full load that we were able to bring at

667
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: him and we would still be okay, you got a rhythm. Yeah,

668
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: it was just a matter of getting in rhythm and

669
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: and uh, we were able to do that.

670
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: You think that overtime situation, I go back.

671
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I was.

672
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: I was talking with Mike Frasier. You know, it was

673
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: a point of emphasis. But you guys were part of

674
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: the team that was part of the rule a couple

675
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: of years ago when it happened with Josh Allen, So

676
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: it was like top of mind when you haven't been.

677
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Because the forty nine ers took a lot of heat

678
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: for not it didn't quite feel like they knew what

679
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: You guys had a clear plan And is that something

680
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: do you think because you were part of that Josh

681
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: Allen's situation or just older coach, you've been around the block,

682
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: or why do you think you emphasize that so much?

683
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Mike has done that. I mean I have

684
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: him stand in front of the team and tell the

685
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: guy Kelse his podcast. Yeah, we do it during training camp.

686
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: We do it during the playoffs because it's a little different.

687
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: You know, we go all the way through and knock

688
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: all that stuff out and and then you know, it's

689
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: I know, it's different once you hit the I will

690
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: tell you this because Shanahan is a brilliant guy. And

691
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 4: it's not that they didn't. That was a toss up really,

692
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: if you take their offense and how how it rolls.

693
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: This was just what we thought was best for us

694
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: when their defense had to be gassed. I don't think

695
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: it's crazy to take the ball first, that's right, right,

696
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: I know, and he's taking he took so much heat

697
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: for it, and I said in my press conference afterwards,

698
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: that's a that's a toss up.

699
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: You know.

700
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: If I'm the Niners, I'm not sure I don't take

701
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: the ball. So but what we thought was best for

702
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: us was if we could, you know, go play on

703
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: defense and then go from there. I have an idea

704
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: what you're looking at. You might gain an extra down there,

705
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, more willing to go for it on fourth

706
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: down and out of just need to score.

707
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: So anyways, that's what that's what we chose. What are

708
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: your thoughts I saw Spag say. I think he told

709
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Peter Schrager that he hunted down Perty's number and text

710
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: him just because he was so impressed with him. And

711
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: in my neck of the woods, he's taken a lot

712
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: of heat, which is crazy. His last pick in the draft,

713
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: his story. I mean, you've been around the league a

714
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: long time. Have you ever seen the last pick in

715
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: the draft by a second year playing like that? What

716
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on brought Perty? The overall conversation around him.

717
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: I think he's a great player.

718
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: I remember listening to his coach, Matt Campbell, Yeah, talking

719
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: I always say Matt Campbell, and Matt said that this

720
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: guy completely changed their program around, and I went, all right,

721
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: I mean that's pretty impressive for a kid from Arizona

722
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: coming in and changing this whole program around. Well, you

723
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 4: look at it, and that's kind of what he did there.

724
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: Took a different level, took them to a different level,

725
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: and you can't. There's no fraud. When you're in the NFL.

726
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 4: You're either good or you're not good. You're not just

727
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: able to get in there and throw the passes like

728
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: you were throwing them with accuracy and being composed in

729
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 4: the huddle, in the pocket and with three hundred pound

730
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: men trying to rip your head off.

731
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean, those things just don't happen. That's unless you're good.

732
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: So he's a good player, and now it's just a

733
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: matter of him continuing to build on it, which he

734
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: will because he's that kind of guy. He helped change

735
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: a program around. He's not going to change that way.

736
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: He's going to keep working to be the best he

737
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: can be in the best in the league.

738
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: If he can do that. On the Super Bowl opening ceremonies,

739
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: you like the forty nine ers and you guys cross

740
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: pass and you grabbed their big left tackle when you

741
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: gave him this hug like the one that got away,

742
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: because remember you guys wanted them and you just kind

743
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: of let you. Guys had this big man embrace you

744
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: and Trent Yeah, so, uh, pretty decent player.

745
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: He'll go down to one of the all time greats.

746
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: He's an unbelievable athlete, good guy.

747
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: What this week? Now? Going into free agency? Does this

748
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: ever get old to you? You feel rejuvenated? You just

749
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: want another super Bowl? The same energy. Yeah, No, I'm good.

750
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm good. Retirement talk. I always poop poo that when

751
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: people ask, Yeah, no, listen, I'm good.

752
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 4: I'm blessed to have each and who you know personally

753
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: and so he brings great energy. You know, he's always

754
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: going to do his best to supply with good players.

755
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: I work for a great organization, Clark Hunt heading that up.

756
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: I work with Mark Donovan who you know. So, I

757
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: mean we've got a lot of familiar faces there and

758
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 4: good people. And Rick burke Holder who you know. There's

759
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: a lot of cohesion. Yeah, a lot of guys that

760
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: have been together a long time. So I'm in a

761
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: good place. I enjoy it there, and I've got good players.

762
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: We talk a lot on the show about coaches getting

763
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: involved in personnel, and you've done that before, but you really,

764
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Veach is the one running that entire thing.

765
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: How much easier does that make your life? Focus on

766
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: the team six months? Obviously, he comes to you with players.

767
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: When I when I came back to Kansas City. I

768
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: I wanted to focus more on football. I was done

769
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: with the personnel thing. I just say, if you're gonna

770
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: do it the right way, it takes too much time

771
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: to get it done. I know, you know there's always time.

772
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm gonna try to exhaust all of it.

773
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: So if I'm watching players, we'll watch everybody.

774
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: You know.

775
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: That's how That's how I did in Philly. If you're

776
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: on the board, I'm gonna have watched you in not

777
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: just one game.

778
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: And then. But I was done with that.

779
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: I think it's right too much to try to do

780
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: both and and so in this day and age, because

781
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, you got this technology is crazy, it is,

782
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: but it takes time to look at it.

783
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.

784
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: So, but you've got everything and and so Brett and

785
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: then I have full trust in Brett. I did in

786
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: John Dorsey. I have it in Brett and and so

787
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: that's I I was great with take it and run. Man,

788
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: Well I'll get you out of here on this this combine.

789
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've been to a lot. It seems like

790
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 4: a lot of coaches are not coming to this anymore.

791
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: You know, you just you just coaching like three weeks ago,

792
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: you're here. It is this something that still means a

793
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 4: lot to you. Do you like coming here? Do you

794
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: feel like just getting to shake that player's hand? It's

795
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: first time.

796
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: People don't realize the coaches first time they're gonna meet

797
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: the players right now. You haven't. You didn't even watch

798
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, that's right. Yeah, so it's

799
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: valuable for you, that's that's right. And for the coaches

800
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: to do the interview.

801
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: I don't really care about the other stuff we watch

802
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 4: out on tape, but the interviews. To sit in front

803
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: of a guy and talk to him and see how

804
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: they react to you, the questions, the coaches asking the questions.

805
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: I think that that's what I get out of this.

806
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie walks and you meet him for the first time,

807
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: you feel will come now, how are you gonna handle this?

808
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Sit down? Here? Man, that's a decent draft pick. Huh yeah,

809
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: he's pretty good. Yeah, well, coach, we congratulations and uh

810
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: get ready for number four YouTube. Man, you're cooking now.

811
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: You got it all here. We're ready to go. Yeah,

812
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: thanks coach? All right, man, appreciate you. John. Okay, let's

813
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: dive into the mailbag, very very easy to get involved

814
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: at John middlecoff Instagram. Firing those dms two fs. Okay,

815
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: first question for the mailbag. A lot of people are

816
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: saying Russell Wilson to the Steelers. My question why not Cousins? Well,

817
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: first and foremost money. Kirk Cousins, if he's healthy, is

818
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: a very very expensive player. He is not of a

819
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: contract zero. So if you want Kirk Cousins services, I

820
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: mean you're talking probably the cheapest, like two years eighty

821
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: million dollars. More likely he gets like three years, one

822
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars. Seventy eighty million dollars is guaranteed.

823
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Like he's he's an expensive asset. Russell Wilson is the opposite.

824
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: He's cheap. Well, not for the Broncos. They're paying him

825
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: a lot of money to go away. But if you

826
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: want his services, I don't know. League minimum is based

827
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: on like he's been in the league, however many years

828
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: now twelve thirteen years, is based on service time, so

829
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: his league minimum is different than some guy's league minimum.

830
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: But his league minimum is cheap, right, His league minimum,

831
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: i'd guess like one point five million dollars one million dollars.

832
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Whatever the number is, it's low. You can pay him

833
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: that and the Broncos can pay the thirty nine million

834
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: dollars and you got a forty million dollars quarterback. Now

835
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: I know he's not a forty million dollar quarterback, but

836
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: my point is you can just get Russell Wilson for nothing.

837
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: I think that's a big, big reason my theory has

838
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: been to they are just not like think about the

839
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: players they have, TJ. Cam, Hayward, Minka Fitzpatrick, Like, it's

840
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 2: a lot of serious cats. What's his the other pass?

841
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: Rusher high tower, high Smith, high tower crazy. I'm like

842
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: out of the football season loop and they've been outside,

843
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: out of mind for a while. They got a lot

844
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: of high level dudes. Man and starts with Mike. I

845
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: just I actually think it's like Russell, they want to

846
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: take a chance on you. You know you'll be the

847
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: starting quarterback because Kenny Pick it's not beating you out.

848
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: I actually think it makes a lot of sense. I

849
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: don't understand how a team could give up a second

850
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: or third round pick for Justin Fields, mainly because you're

851
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: not only giving up picks, but having to pick up

852
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: his option and potentially pay him next season and he's

853
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: not very good. Is it just social media thinking he's

854
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: worth that much? Or will a dumb team actually make

855
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: that move? Wall It takes is one, right, It just

856
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 2: takes one team to value a guy slash be desperate.

857
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: I said this when I reacted to Russell Wilson getting cut.

858
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: The worst part of the move for the Broncos wasn't

859
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: that they traded for a quarterback. Is they traded for

860
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: a quarterback when they were really, really desperate. And when

861
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: you make enormous moves in life out of desperation, so

862
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: when you get in trouble, and to me, that is

863
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: where they found themselves. Denver wanted Rogers. Rogers kind of

864
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: played them a little bit. Maybe he was interested. Then

865
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: he stayed in Green Bay and they were like, holy shit,

866
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: we now have Hacket. We really need a quarterback. John

867
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: Schneider had been trying to get rid of him for years.

868
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: They gave up two ones, two two's, and they gave

869
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: him one hundred and sixty million dollars when he was

870
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: already under contract. So if you trade for Justin Fields like,

871
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: here would be my offer. If I was a team,

872
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: I'd give you like a fourth round pick, and I

873
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: would not pick up the fifth year option. That's what

874
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: I would do. I'd give you a third a day

875
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: pit three pick, and I would not plan on picking

876
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: up the fifth year option. And if he's unreal, it's

877
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: it was worth it. I took a low flyer on him.

878
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: We'll figure out the extension after or franchise, dag him

879
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: or whatever, and if he's not good, whatever, But I

880
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: could not give a pick of value for Justin Fields.

881
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: And I'm someone that loved the guy as a prospect.

882
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: But part of being like, once you watch a player

883
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: after three or four years, you kind of know, like

884
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: his his value is changed. Baker Mayfield, once upon a time,

885
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: number one overall pick, had some pretty good moments in Cleveland,

886
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: then started going bad. Then he got cut, Then he

887
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: went to the Panthers. Like, ah, I do not see it.

888
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Now you watch him on the Bucks, You're like, got

889
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: solid Blair. But the Bucks paid four million dollars for it.

890
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: Regarding Fugazi Friday, I'm in Miami South Beach for a conference.

891
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: I went out to dinner and there was a baked

892
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 2: in twenty percent gratuity. Fine, whatever, it's a big party.

893
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: But then they had the audacity to ask for a

894
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: tip on top of the twenty percent. I'm happy to

895
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: tip well, but asking for extra points on top of

896
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: a good tip is just too much. I thought it

897
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: might be that particular restaurant, but all three nights it

898
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: happened all different places on Southeast Fugazi the tipping culture, man,

899
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: we need to rain that bad boy in. You know

900
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: the way Sabin and all the coaches are talking about

901
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: the transfer portal and Nil, it's out of control. We

902
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: need to corral the situation. We need to put some

903
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: parameters tipping culture. I did it the other day. It's

904
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: like I just want to sometimes listen, I don't overreact.

905
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: Like if you just make your own coffee, you will

906
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 2: save a lot of money, which is kind of true,

907
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 2: especially if you shop for coffee at Costco. Sometimes you're

908
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: in the car, you're like, I want to just Starbucks

909
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: cole brew with a little vanilla cold foam. Right, you'll

910
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: pay the five or six bucks, but then she hands

911
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: you the If you do the drive through and they

912
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: give you that look, it's like, lady, I just got

913
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: a six dollars coffee, which I fucking literally drove my

914
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: suv here burning gas and you're kind of side eyeballing me.

915
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: Then I'm not gonna add a dollar on top of it.

916
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: When it comes to the big parties, I'm with you. Like,

917
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: if you get a big party in your you know,

918
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: your your bachelor party, whatever, and you go to a

919
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: nice restaurant and the bill is four figures, you're gonna

920
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: tip the twenty percent or whatever you're gonna You're gonna

921
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: take care of him. But then to ask for a

922
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: tip on top of the tip, Like, where are we

923
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: drawing the line? I think sometimes you just oh, you know,

924
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: they say you give him an inch, they'll take a mile.

925
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happened everyone. Most normal people are

926
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: very supportive if you do a really good job. I

927
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: think I had a DM or someone tell me this story.

928
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: It was a DM. It was a guy that like

929
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: had a plumber over or some situation like that's electrician,

930
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: and the guy fixed his job. It was like two

931
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars to whatever he needed. The guy

932
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: handed him right the ability to pay on your phone

933
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: now and it said you want to leave a tip? Like, no, bro,

934
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: I just paid three hundred dollars for forty five fucking

935
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: minutes for you to replace a couple things in my wool,

936
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: Like I paid you for that? Do I get a

937
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: tip just because Hey, middle GoF really liked your podcast?

938
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: Man to wear a tip jar like? Not everything deserves

939
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: a tip, Some of the stuff you're just paid to do.

940
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: I think we're losing our way and I'm a good tipper.

941
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: Pretty cool you led your show with my question, is

942
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: there any way I can invest in you like a

943
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: stock that you know of that kind words? No, I

944
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: would say that you can invest in the stocks I'm

945
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: invested in. Some are doing good, Uber up a lot

946
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: of money and I have a lot of money into it.

947
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: Some are not doing so good. One I'm down a

948
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: lot of money, and I mean a lot of money

949
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: for a rich guy. And that's not me. I'm just

950
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: saying in general, which person would be a little uncomfortable?

951
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: So you can't win them all. You invest, sometimes you hit,

952
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: sometimes you miss. It's like you get up to the

953
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: plate man, so you just got to take a swing.

954
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: All these gms of the combine look hungover as hell.

955
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: Were you partying with them? I did not party with

956
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: any general managers. I bet it's probably fifty to fifty

957
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: I think years ago, even five or six years ago,

958
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: much a lot more coaches went and you could see

959
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: them out in about drinking. I'm talking head coaches. I

960
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: do think that's a little more hit or miss now

961
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: the head coaches in the GM. And I think a

962
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: lot has to do with the camera phone, Like no

963
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: one wants to be on a camera phone. I think

964
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: I was out and about with a lot of assistant coaches.

965
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: I never I was sick. The first couple of days,

966
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: and the second day when I or the last day

967
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: when I was leaving a lot of assistant coaches were

968
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: out and about and again out and about. You just

969
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: you've been grinded long season, having a couple of beers,

970
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't know a lot of stories about some

971
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: pretty famous people getting in trouble at this event with

972
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: the policemen, probably in the two thousands. I think the

973
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: event has changed a lot in terms of that a

974
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: lot of women running around, some craziness. I think it's

975
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: really really mellowed out relative Like there are a lot

976
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 2: of if you just walked into the JW. Marriott during

977
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 2: the week at midnight, there are a lot of famous

978
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: people standing around, but it's pretty under control. I remember

979
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: going when I worked there in ten, eleven and twelve.

980
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: It was fucking bananas, just because like you'd be out

981
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: at bars late all nighters. Not saying that it doesn't happen.

982
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a little more few and far between.

983
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these gms, like if you're

984
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: watching the Combine, look really tired. They're working really late.

985
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: A lot of meetings with agents, a lot of meetings

986
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: with people. When I asked Howie, I mean, I think

987
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: he was sleeping three or four hours because you just

988
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: are meeting late. You just have meetings with like dre Rozenhaus,

989
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: with whoever, you know. After your interviews, you might go

990
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: meet the guy for a drink at midnight to discuss

991
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: one of the players on your team, and then by

992
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: the time you get home, maybe grab a bite to eat,

993
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 2: spend a long day, you want to get up early

994
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: before you do more meetings and get a workout in

995
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: or something at like six am. I just don't think

996
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: they're sleeping much. I think that not saying that they're

997
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 2: not having a cocktail here and there, my guest would

998
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: be most gms. The drinking has really really slowed down

999
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: from what it used to be at the combine. There's

1000
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: just too much online. These jobs are too valuable. It's

1001
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: hard to screw around. Question for the bag love the

1002
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: combine stuff. Introduce your podcast to my friend and now

1003
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: he send me your podcast before I get a chance

1004
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: to listen to them. My question is, why do teams

1005
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: come out and say we're going to trade this guy

1006
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: and if we don't get anything, we're gonna cut him.

1007
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: If the player is going to hit the open market,

1008
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: why would a team give up draft capital? Because let's

1009
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: just I'm trying to think of an example. It happens

1010
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: a lot with older players. If I have veteran X

1011
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: who's been to a couple of Pro Bowls, but now

1012
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: he's older, and I go, listen, we're gonna cut this

1013
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: guy in a couple of days. If you want to

1014
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: get your hands on this guy, we'll just give him

1015
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: to you for like a seventh round pick, and maybe

1016
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: that team. Because the moment that guy gets cut, every

1017
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: team in the league has a chance to talk to him,

1018
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: has a chance to bring him into their facility, has

1019
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: a chance to offer them a contract. Where if you

1020
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: have a guy that you like and you're comfortable paying

1021
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: what he's making, you go, well, shit, I'll I'll just

1022
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: give you a six round pick, and then I get

1023
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: the player on my team and I don't have to

1024
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 2: worry about, like, maybe it's a twenty percent chance that

1025
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: I even land the guy once he's available. So I

1026
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: think a lot of it's that. It's why you see

1027
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: a lot of guys during training camp get traded for

1028
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: six and seventh round picks. That team knows the other

1029
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: team was gonna cut the guy, but they wanted that guy,

1030
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: and they knew that either the waiver claim or if

1031
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: the guy hit the open market, that they might not

1032
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: get the guy. So I think that's a big reason

1033
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: that those type things play out. This Mike Evans contract

1034
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: got me thinking about Tyreek's decision to go to Miami

1035
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: in Adam's decision to lead Green Bay. I think players

1036
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: of their pedigree should have taken a hometown discount. Weren't

1037
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: they offered similar contracts, just lesser guaranteed. Now look at

1038
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: the teams they left behind that are flourishing with promising quarterbacks,

1039
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: and given the fact that their contracts are completely bogused

1040
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: and nowhere near the amount reported. I think a lot

1041
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: of times it is much more based on respect. So

1042
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: if you're one of those guys and you go, wait,

1043
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: Miami or the Raiders would offer me a contract that

1044
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: you're not prepared now. In fairness, Tyreek was simply about

1045
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: the money. The Dolphins offered them a contract that the

1046
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: Chiefs didn't want to match, and they gave him whatever

1047
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: first and a third round pick. DeVante Adams wanted out

1048
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: and the only place he would go was the Raiders.

1049
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: Miami does not regret it. Tyreek has been dominant for

1050
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: two years. I think if the Raiders had to redo,

1051
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: they would have just said, no, we're good. They would

1052
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: have declined that because having DeVante Adams in their situation

1053
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: does not help them. Clearly, it doesn't make sense. They

1054
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: didn't have a quarterback last year. He's a great player,

1055
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: a great receiver does not make sense if you have

1056
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: no quarterback, and they clearly have no quarterback. The only

1057
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: quarterback he's played with with the Raiders. They ran him

1058
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: out of town immediately and it was time with Derek.

1059
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: But last year, like I don't know, I would not

1060
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: make one of those moves trading for a wide receiver

1061
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: in general, I would just draft a guy every year.

1062
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: I mean, how many years ago was it like DK metcalf,

1063
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: aj Brown and Deebo Samuel happened in the second round?

1064
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: Happens like every other year, all these good receivers, Puku nakua,

1065
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: well round he going. Can you explain why O linemen

1066
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: seem like the most fun guys on the team and

1067
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: why they also appear to be the most relatable to

1068
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: the average fan. Skilled players get most of the attention,

1069
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: but seem all about flash and their brand o line.

1070
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: Feel like a dad at cookout. We'll think about most

1071
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: of us in life, right, We're not the star of

1072
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: the show. We're not treated like royalty by our employer,

1073
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: by our family, by anywhere we go in life, by

1074
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: our friends. We're just treated like a normal human being.

1075
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: And I would say this, most of us, whatever company

1076
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: we work for, are at any moment could just be

1077
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: told something we don't want to hear. Offensive. Linemen are

1078
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: yelled at every single day, and their job is to

1079
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: literally protect the highest paid guy in the billion dollar sport.

1080
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: That's their job. Yet they're yelled at way more than

1081
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: the guy that they're paid to protect. Then there's the

1082
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: nature of they have to work as a team. They

1083
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: are very dependent on the other guys right next to them,

1084
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: to the left and to the right. So like most

1085
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: of us, we're kind of humbled. Often we're very dependent

1086
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: on others, and most people don't talk about us. So

1087
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a relatability with one just the way

1088
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: they operate in the under the football umbrella. Wide receiver

1089
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: score touchdowns, Quarterbacks throw touchdowns, defenders make tackles. Offensive linemen

1090
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: literally just kind of try to push a guy left

1091
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: or right or backwards, and the playans. No one even

1092
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: really notices. The only time they're ever noticed is when

1093
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: something fucks up and there's a penalty. They like to eat,

1094
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: I like to drink. Most of us like to eat

1095
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: and like to drink. They don't ever have to do

1096
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: these crazy diets like these position players. Most of them

1097
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: just tend to be relatively smart guys, like they're just

1098
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: easy to talk to. I do think it's a lot

1099
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: the way they're coached and the way they come up

1100
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: and then ultimately once they succeed, like make it to

1101
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: the NFL, it's no different than when they were in

1102
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: high school. They make more money, but you don't get

1103
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: that much more credit. Like Jason Kelsey is an all

1104
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: time great center and he became really famous because of

1105
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: what he did at the Super Bowl parade. He's got

1106
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: a podcast. But think how often we talk about him

1107
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: when we discussed the Eagles this year. Talk about the quarterback,

1108
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: talk about the coaches, the head coach, the coordinators, talk

1109
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: about the AJ Brown situation, talk about what the hell's

1110
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: up with James Bradbury did, Howie Roseman let down the team.

1111
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: We never talked about Jason Kelce the player. So I

1112
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: was like, hey, he's pretty good. They're the best man,

1113
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: They really are. A lot of you guys had DM

1114
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: me about getting pictures or whatever, or just a meet

1115
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: up in Indy. It was hard. I was legitimately pretty sick.

1116
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: The first couple of days I was struggling. Maria sent

1117
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: me a little goodie bag that I was just pumping

1118
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: pseudo Feds and day Will's and Advils. And then the

1119
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: last night I was there that I did go to

1120
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: dinner with some buddies, scouting buddies, but it was nothing

1121
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: too crazy. Also, a lot of people were like, I

1122
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: can't wait to get your take on Brandon's Daily to

1123
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: the Niners. Whenever that story broke. I think it was

1124
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: it was a Saturday night, Friday night, maybe Saturday really

1125
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: early in the morning. I woke up to the someone

1126
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: that people had sent me the tweet, and all I

1127
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: saw was the picture of Brandon Staley and I almost

1128
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: had a heart attack. I'm like, the forty nine ers

1129
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: just hired Brandon Stay to be their defensive coordinator, and

1130
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: then you click on it you realize, no, he's the headliner.

1131
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: They hired Nick Sorenson, who is longtime Seattle assistant. He's

1132
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: been with the Niners for a couple of years. Played

1133
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: a defensive played defense at Virginia Tech. I think it

1134
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: played in the NFL for a minute, but NFL defensive

1135
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: guy Kyle named him the defensive coordinator. Now they hired

1136
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley and they don't even have a position for him. Listen,

1137
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: if they had hired him to be the defensive coordinator,

1138
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: I would have done an hour podcast on him. It's

1139
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: hard for me to get worked up when they just

1140
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: make up a position. He's a position coach, right, Like, Listen,

1141
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think Matt Patrici is any

1142
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: good when the Eagles hired him to be an assistant,

1143
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: like whatever, it doesn't bother me now, once you make

1144
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: him the coordinator, now you got a problem. But like

1145
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: everyone's hired as an assistant, like welcome to football doesn't

1146
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: mean anything to me. Now if he ends up being

1147
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: becoming the coordinator and Wally pips this guy, then we

1148
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: got a problem. But like I, I have no opinion.

1149
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: I've been to a million football practices. There's a million

1150
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: coaches all over the place. I used to make fun

1151
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: of Anthony Lynn, and it's a pretty consistent theme with

1152
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: the Chargers. Nine is hired him to be a running

1153
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: back coach. Like whatever cares Brandon Saley's helping out with

1154
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: the linebackers, it doesn't matter. I never thought the guy

1155
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: was going to be unemployed, should not have been a coordinator,

1156
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 2: and pretty clearly the market spoke no one was gonna

1157
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: hire him be a coordinator. Kyle probably thought about it. Uh,

1158
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: thank god he didn't do it. But I don't know

1159
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: much about Sorenson besides that long time Pete Carroll guy,

1160
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: then Robert Sala dan Quinn. He just hires kJ Wright,

1161
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: the long time see a linebacker, to be an assistant coach.

1162
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Kyle really likes that defense, and it gets back to

1163
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: his time with dan Quinn. The simplicity of it. It

1164
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: also leaves a four man front. Obviously you have to

1165
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: change and adapt as the game has changed, but I

1166
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: think he likes that to be his base defense. Brandon

1167
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: Staley is a Vic Fangio three to four guy. God

1168
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: thank god I didn't hire him. It's like, I don't

1169
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: have the energy to do one of these crazy podcasts,

1170
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: but it would have been needed. I'm telling you. When

1171
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: I clicked on it and saw his picture, I said,

1172
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: I can't And you did not just do this, Kyle.

1173
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: The other thing is a lot of people were making

1174
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: a big deal about the Niners interested in Steve Spagnola.

1175
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: One thing I had heard Spags relatively like Vic Fangio

1176
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: makes like five million dollars, Wink Martindale last year was

1177
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: making like three and a half million dollars. Kellen Moore

1178
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: makes four million dollars. Spags was making nowhere near that

1179
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator. Do I think Kyle was interested him?

1180
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Do I think Spags and whoever's new

1181
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: sociating his contract, like, let's play this up a little bit.

1182
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: Because one thing with the Chiefs, I don't think they're

1183
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: just they pay the players, but They have historically been

1184
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: a relatively cheap organization when it comes to scouts and

1185
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: non head coaches. Even Andy's in a contract negotiation right now.

1186
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: Andy Reid to me, is worth like thirty five million dollars.

1187
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: He'll end up making fifteen twenty million dollars whatever. Andy,

1188
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Andy Reid's gonna be the best bargain in the league.

1189
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: If you told me Andy Reid got a three year,

1190
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: sixty million dollar contract, I'm like, that's that's easily the

1191
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: best contract in the NFL. He deserves probably like a

1192
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: four year, I don't know, one hundred and fifty million

1193
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: dollar deal. What's Andy Reid worth more than any player

1194
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: non quarterback? And how many quarterbacks is Andy Reid more

1195
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: valuable in the NFL? Probably six seven guys more valuable

1196
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: than Andy Reid. Would you take Dak Prescott or Andy Reid?

1197
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: Would take Kirk Cousins or Andy Reid? Obviously you take

1198
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: Mahomes or Lamar or some of the super high level guys.

1199
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: But I think Spags got paid and he used the

1200
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 2: leverage to get paid rightfully. So question for the show,

1201
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: how often have criticized have you criticized Adam Silver fairly?

1202
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: All?

1203
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: Ad for not prioritizing the business interests of the NBA

1204
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: instead of letting the players run free. Since football is over,

1205
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: I really miss not being able to sit down on

1206
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday and watch sports during the daytime. However,

1207
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 2: the NBA only schedules games at night. I with exception

1208
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: of some of their worst teams playing day games. Why

1209
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: do you think they don't capitalize on weekend daytime basketball.

1210
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: Doesn't it make sense to put Jokic and Lebron on

1211
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: midday Saturday instead of at five pm. I don't think

1212
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: it does. I don't pretend to be a television executive here,

1213
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: but football is programmed to be played Saturday and Sunday.

1214
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: We know Michigan Ohio State might kick off nine o'clock

1215
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Pacific Standard time. The Chiefs play the Broncos at ten

1216
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: am Pacific stander time. Right, the Cowboys and the Eagles

1217
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: kick off at one o'clock. Niners ramps. It's it's ingrained

1218
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: in you. In basketball. It is kind of a night

1219
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: time sport, a lot like baseball during the week like

1220
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: not as many day games unless you're the Cups. I

1221
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of just muscle memory to that.

1222
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: I think the ratings would be a lot lower if

1223
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: you put the Lakers and that Nuggets game instead of

1224
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 2: being at five point thirty at night. I'll give you

1225
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: an example. I watched the second half because I was like,

1226
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: I think Jokic as just a basketball historian of my

1227
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: thirty nine years of life and that grew up in

1228
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: the nineties on a lot of biggs. I think he's

1229
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: one of the best players I've ever seen, and I

1230
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: think in his era, if someone that talks a lot

1231
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: of shit about the NBA, I still love like some

1232
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: of the elite players, and I think Jokic is one

1233
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,919
Speaker 2: of the more fun players I've ever seen play basketball.

1234
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: Lebron and Steph are really the two best players of

1235
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: the last like fifteen years, not even debatable, And then

1236
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: I think the other guy that would be in that

1237
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 2: category would be Kevin Durant. I think you could make

1238
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 2: the argument that Yokis is a better player than Durant,

1239
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: and if you could get him both from scratch, like

1240
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: twenty two years old, for the next fifteen years, you

1241
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: would rather have Jokic. I think what sucks is the

1242
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: league is so small now it's a bunch. It's small,

1243
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: like power forwards or the centers. It's just it's a

1244
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: different sport than what I grew up on. When Biggs

1245
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 2: reigned supreme. It would have been awesome to see that

1246
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: guy in the league against Shack, David Robinson, the Keem

1247
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: Elijah went Alonzo Morning to Ken Bae Matumbo, just all

1248
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: the centers of the nineties and to just see what

1249
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: he would look like against them. He just eviscerates everybody.

1250
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: They don't have a shot, none, even Draymond Senos pot

1251
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: like I had no shot and he shouldn't eiae. Draymond's

1252
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: like six to five. Anthony Davis, who's eleven's got no shit.

1253
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 2: No one has any shot. He can go thirty five,

1254
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: ten to ten with his fucking eyes closed, look like.

1255
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: The Lakers are big and they got no He annihilated

1256
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: them when he needed to. But I don't think the

1257
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: day games would help. I think they would hurt, and

1258
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: that's why they don't do it. I do. I miss

1259
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: some football sometimes It's like I just like to watch

1260
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: like Michigan, Penn State, Kansas City, Buffalo or Buffalo Miami.

1261
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: I just like a game and you just miss it.

1262
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: I've been gambling a lot on golf a lot. I've

1263
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 2: actually been winning because I've been live bidding, lover he stuff,

1264
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: especially the perspective on the business of the league. I'm

1265
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: a third generation to work in my family's insurance business.

1266
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 2: As I've gotten into management, I've always used things I've

1267
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: picked up from the pod in my office. Do you

1268
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 2: have any suggestions on motivating older employees. I am obsessed

1269
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 2: with everything about business policy, wording, coverages, closing deals, but

1270
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: it can be impossible to get a fifty something to

1271
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: buy in to the same level. Any insight would be appreciated.

1272
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: I heard Gary Vee say this a long time ago,

1273
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: and I think about this a lot. If it's your

1274
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Speaker 2: business or your family's business, you can never expect, regardless

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Speaker 2: of their age, for them to have this. They don't

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: have the same skin in the game as you, so

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Speaker 2: you can't expect them to work as hard as you

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Speaker 2: or even be open to the ideas that you're willing

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Speaker 2: to be open to because it might make you more money. Now, obviously,

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 2: older people are less likely to change their ways. I

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01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: think you just got to be nice to them and

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Speaker 2: try to incentivize them. I've realized as I got older,

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Speaker 2: I'm very incentivized. Like I said, money does not make

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Speaker 2: me feel any different, but I am incentivized. Oh the

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 2: better we do here, the more money we're going to make.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe the idea, if he implements it,

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Speaker 2: maybe he gets a thousand dollars bonus, or I'm just

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: throwing shit out there. Like, let's face it, money usually incentivizes,

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Speaker 2: whether you're sixty years old or whether you're twenty years old.

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Speaker 2: Some things. No matter how much the wackos in this

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Speaker 2: world want to change society, I don't think much has

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01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: changed the way we're wired. Like, most of us have

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01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: the same basic needs and wants, right, we always want

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: a little more money. We always want to be paid

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Speaker 2: a little more. We always want our families to be

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Speaker 2: happy and safe, and we always want, you know, enough

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Speaker 2: resources to feed our family. I mean, there are some

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Speaker 2: basic things that will never change. So that fifty year old,

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Speaker 2: just like a twenty year old, will have similar basic

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: wants and desires. Now they're different. If the one person

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Speaker 2: has a family, one person doesn't. One person has a mortgage,

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Speaker 2: one person doesn't. I think most people like more money,

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: So if you can find a way to add just

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Speaker 2: a little more money, if if it's really something that

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: means a lot to you, if it's just some basic

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Speaker 2: ideas and having them change. Like I would say this,

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01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people, a lot of friends

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Speaker 2: and family that are part of small businesses. They all

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Speaker 2: complain about that it's hard to get people to change.

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Speaker 2: So you're clearly not alone. I just think psychologically, it's

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: why so many coaches or business leaders that study psychology

1312
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: I think tend to be a little more successful because

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: I think the natural reaction, I mean, what I grew

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: up on is you want him to do it. Like

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Speaker 2: around my dad and the people he worked for, is

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: like you just fucking scream at him. You just yell

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01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: at him. He wanted me to do my homework, you

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: start screaming at me, you start making threats. I actually

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 2: get offended sometimes, Like you know, this new age of parenting.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a parent yet, obviously they're a lot nicer

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Speaker 2: to children now. It almost says like the way we

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Speaker 2: were parented, which was not easy, right, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think, I don't know if beatings is the right

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Speaker 2: way to put it, but you just you had to

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Speaker 2: be careful. You would get it. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: times deserved was like the wrong way, Like we just

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: grew up, really screwed up. Like I don't think there's

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Speaker 2: a right or wrong way to parent. They're obviously right things.

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Speaker 2: You know, to support your child and you know, push

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Speaker 2: them toward education and learning, and you know, being inquisitive

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Speaker 2: and obviously there's some things that are pretty consistent. But

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Speaker 2: like most people don't know what the hell they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But like this notion that, like you know, if you

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Speaker 2: felt threatened by your family, like, yeah, it kind of

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: work for me. Keeps me on my toes to this day.

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Speaker 2: My dad's long gone, I'm still like make sure i'm early,

1337
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: because I know if I wasn't early back in the

1338
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Speaker 2: fucking early nineties, my ass was in trouble. Long way

1339
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: of saying, I I think tactics have changed, but I

1340
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Speaker 2: think the ultimate message will never change of what people want. Okay,

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Speaker 2: last question, I have a mailback question for you involving

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01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley. What the fuck are the Niners doing hiring

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Speaker 2: him and bringing him near that operation. I think it's

1344
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,520
Speaker 2: a huge mistake to hire this guy as the assistant

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: head coach when he obviously has no feel at least

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: last year for even the defensive side of the football.

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Speaker 2: Knowing how highly you think of the Niners and their operation,

1348
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: what's your opinion on this. I do think a lot

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Speaker 2: of times titles in football are giant fugazi. They're to

1350
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 2: get guys paid more. Right. You see this a lot

1351
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: with like co coordinators. No one guy's calling the place

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01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: assistant head coach. What does that mean? Like Kyle's gonna

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01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 2: listen to Brandon Staley in terms of like, hey Kyle

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers, this is what I like to go

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Speaker 2: for it? You think Kyle's more likely to go for it?

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: I think it's a way. Kyle's very very close with

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley's agent, Richmond Flowers, who played with Kyl a

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Speaker 2: duke and who worked with him in Washington. Let's face it,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Staley is a laughing stock, just like a lot

1360
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: of coaches have been laughing stocks throughout my life. You

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Speaker 2: need people to throw you a bone. I have no

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Speaker 2: problem anyone hiring Brandon Staley. Jim tom Sula was hired, right.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys that we've laughed at have been

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Speaker 2: hired as assistant coaches. To me, if he had been

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01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: named the defensive coordinator would have had a major problem

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Speaker 2: with it, but some made up title like what's he doing?

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Speaker 2: Who's he coaching? Would I name my assistant head coach?

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Speaker 2: I would not, But I've been around long enough to know,

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Speaker 2: Like what does that even mean. It's one thing if

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Speaker 2: you're a first time head coach and you hire, you know,

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Speaker 2: some older coach to play that role to help you out, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: kind of needed. Sean McVeigh thirty one, gets a job,

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Speaker 2: hires Wade Phillips. Kyle's not looking to Brandon Staley for advice, right,

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Speaker 2: He's just like help out the defensive staff with some ideas.

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Speaker 2: You're not calling the plays though. If he ever calls

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01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: the plays, then we got a problem. If Kyle starts

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Speaker 2: going forward in crazy fourth down situations, then we got

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: a problem. But a title like who cares

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Speaker 1: The volume