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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. Last months at a

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Speaker 1: new US Mexico border monthly migration record. Border Patrol has

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Speaker 1: US Mexico border since October nineteen ninety nine. In December,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five thousand migrants crossed the southern border.

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Speaker 1: We have seen scenes of the impact of their arrival

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Speaker 1: at Eagle Pass, Texas, in the streets of El Paso,

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Speaker 1: and at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City, all

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Speaker 1: locations that are trying to accommodate the huge influx of

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Speaker 1: people coming to the United States illegally. Many are fleeing

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Speaker 1: their home country seeking asylum, with sharp increases of migrants

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Speaker 1: from Nicaragua, Venezuela, Haiti, Columbia, and Guatemala here to discuss

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Speaker 1: the migrant crisis. I'm really pleased to welcome my guests,

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Speaker 1: Laura Reese. She is currently the director of the Border

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Speaker 1: Security and Immigration Center at the Heritage Foundation. Actually served

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Speaker 1: Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. Laura, welcome and thank you.

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Speaker 1: For joining me on this world.

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Speaker 2: Thank you new for having me on Good Morning.

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Speaker 1: What attracted you to focusing so much on the issue

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Speaker 1: of the border and migration.

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Speaker 2: I was actually in college and the first time I

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Speaker 2: drove across the US Mexico border, you could see kind

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Speaker 2: of no man's land between the two borders, and I

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Speaker 2: could see on the Mexican side a number of adult

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Speaker 2: cross illegally. And I was fascinated by the issue ever since.

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Speaker 2: All my college papers after that I could tie to immigration.

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Speaker 2: And I've been at this now for twenty seven years.

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Speaker 1: That's wild. That's hard to bleed on. Look like Huban

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Speaker 1: at this for twenty seven years? Tell me when you know.

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Speaker 1: The most recent interesting big thing I thought was Speaker

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Speaker 1: Johnson taking sixty House Republicans to Eagle Pass on January third,

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Speaker 1: and it was interesting how apparently President Biden and the

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Speaker 1: administration manipulated what they saw. Can you describe that trip?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, good on Speaker Johnson for taking members

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Speaker 2: down to the border. Too few members have been down

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Speaker 2: there really at all. Any members should have to explain

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Speaker 2: why they haven't been to the border when we're facing

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Speaker 2: this historic crisis. But administrations, particularly this one, react to

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Speaker 2: bad optics. And so when we had seen hundreds of

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Speaker 2: people waiting at eagle paths to enter illegally leading up

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Speaker 2: to this trip, and then suddenly they had all disappeared

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Speaker 2: when the trip occurred, it's pretty clear that the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration and instructed agents to have the flogo elsewhere. You

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Speaker 2: can think of other examples where this administration has reacted

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Speaker 2: to bad optics. The Del Rio Bridge in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: where fifteen thousand, mostly Haitians were gathered under that bridge

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Speaker 2: and the videos were getting out drone videos, and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly the buses came in and removed them all. And

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Speaker 2: they also that's when they came up with that fake

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Speaker 2: border agent horse whipping story, which was just terrible and

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Speaker 2: Secretary of my ARCA still hasn't admitted was a lie. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: these are just some examples of how this administration tries

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Speaker 1: Why do you think they are so passionately committed to

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Speaker 1: mass ave illegal immigration.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a few things. In a word, it's

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Speaker 2: about power. Some Democrats view these populations as future Democrat voters.

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Speaker 2: But also it's about the headcount. Currently under the US Census,

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Speaker 2: there is no question on US citizenship. President Trump tried

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Speaker 2: to put that question on the US Census, and the

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Speaker 2: Left suit against it, and the Supreme Court through a

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Speaker 2: be put on the census. The result of that is

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Speaker 2: And that entire headcount is used in congressional apportionment to

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Speaker 2: draw congressional districts, and so we have congressional districts in California,

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Speaker 2: for example, that should not exist because they are including

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Speaker 2: the high numbers of immigrants, both legal and illegal. And

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Speaker 2: then other red states, for example, don't have the congressional

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Speaker 2: district numbers that they should have, and so that translates

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Speaker 2: to power. This also affects the electoral college and the

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Speaker 1: Have you at parentage looked at what the difference would

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Speaker 2: I know, my colleague cons Von Spakowski has looked at

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Speaker 2: that and has named a handful of states that would

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Speaker 1: See said, part of the reason they do this is power.

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Speaker 1: They just literally want numbers that can count on their side.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there seems to be almost a passion about crowding

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Speaker 2: Well, another tactic can be to make it stronger. And

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Speaker 2: they believe in for an argument for mass amnesty. You know,

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Speaker 2: pre Biden, many would say, oh, well you can't deport

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Speaker 2: the number that was always cited eleven million illegal aliens

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Speaker 2: who are here, and so therefore we should do a

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Speaker 2: mass amnesty, as if there was no other choice in

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Speaker 2: between those very polar opposites. It wasn't true then and

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Speaker 2: it's not true now. And so I believe that they

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Speaker 2: think if they just flood the country with millions more

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Speaker 1: Is there a way by having some kind of e

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Speaker 1: verify that's really enforced to basically end up with self

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Speaker 1: deportation because they can't get jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I like to say, illegal aliens want five things.

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Speaker 2: They want to enter the US, they want to stay here,

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Speaker 2: they want to work here, they want to send money home,

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Speaker 2: and they want to bring family here or have children here.

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Speaker 2: And if you take those away, then they will one

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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned that the center Republicans are getting sucked

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Speaker 1: into some agreement which will actually be a disaster, which

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Speaker 1: makes no sense at all if you're concerned about illegal immigration.

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Speaker 1: I can't understand how they talk themselves into deals that

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. And there's two levels to that. The

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Speaker 2: base of that is the White House supplemental funding, where

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Speaker 2: they are seeking billions more thirteen point six more billion

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Speaker 2: dollars just for quote unquote border security. But what that

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Speaker 2: would be is a continuation of funding these open border operations,

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Speaker 2: A lot of it would go to non governmental organizations

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Speaker 2: throughout the Western hemisphere that we're paying for as well

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Speaker 2: as in the US, and these NGOs receive the illegal aliens,

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Speaker 2: and many of that thirteen point six billion dollars would

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Speaker 2: continue to fund that. I mean that alone, Congress should

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Speaker 2: dealing with these policy negotiations that you're talking about, where

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Speaker 2: I think basically Leader McConnell has said, you know, try

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Speaker 2: And it is also a bad deal because one thing

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Speaker 2: would be to give work permits even faster, and as

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Speaker 2: we just spoke about, that's the biggest draw there is.

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Speaker 2: It would also codify an acceptable quote unquote level of

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Speaker 2: five thousand illegal aliens per day before they would allow

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Speaker 2: a general expulsion authority to turn them back across the border.

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Speaker 2: Recall that Jay Johnson, the Secretary of Homeland Security under

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Speaker 2: President Obama, said one thousand a day was a bad day,

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Speaker 1: That's like a million nine hundred thousand people a year. Right,

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Speaker 1: are the Republican senators who are negotiating this incapable of

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Speaker 2: I think one they lose that reality, but also they

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Speaker 2: something is them. So when Senator Schumer and Senator McConnell

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Speaker 2: say do something, come up with a deal, they just

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Speaker 2: make a tunnel vision and see what they can get

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Speaker 2: big picture and say would this even solve the problem?

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Speaker 2: Not only would this not solve the problem, it would

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Speaker 2: codify the very open border tools that Biden and Secretary

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Speaker 1: I was really astonished. I was pleased. Speaker Johnson had

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Speaker 1: set out an email saying that this is a hill

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Speaker 1: oppose US. I hope that he will absolutely stick to

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Speaker 2: I hope so too, because I mean, the crisis is

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Speaker 2: so bad, We're at catastrophic levels, and if Congress doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the courage to fix this now, they never will.

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Speaker 2: So we shouldn't be funding our country's demise. We shouldn't

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Speaker 1: Part of the congressional response has been after the trip

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Speaker 1: to Eagle Pass, Representative Fallon from Texas introduced on January

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Speaker 1: ninth a resolution to impeach MAJORCAS the Sectary of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security and argues that the Executive brand, which is required

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Speaker 1: MAJORCAS is consistently violating the law and failing to implement

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Speaker 1: the law. This is not the first proposal to impeach.

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Speaker 1: Representative Andy Biggs introduce to resolution back in August of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. What is your sense of the impeachment

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Speaker 1: against mayorcus Well?

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Speaker 2: He absolutely warrants it. He has been violating multiple laws

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Speaker 2: that Congress has passed, and it's his duty to faithfully

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Speaker 2: execute the laws that Congress has passed. One of the

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Speaker 2: most glaring ones is what's called Humanitarian Parole and Immigration Statute.

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Speaker 2: That is an extremely limited benefit that the executive branch

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Speaker 2: can give to an alien who doesn't have time to

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Speaker 2: in a criminal case and they don't have time to

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Speaker 2: get a visa. Well, the millions that Secretary of Mayoritis

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Speaker 2: is parolling in certainly have time to go get a visa,

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Speaker 2: and this is an urgent humanitarian situations or significant public benefit.

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Speaker 2: Nor is this on a case by case basis, As

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Speaker 2: he keeps repeating, and as the statute requires, we're talking

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Speaker 2: mass parole here. Multiple judges have admonished him for this,

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Speaker 2: and he continues to mass parole people in He is

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Speaker 2: not detaining aliens, which is mandatory in many of the

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Speaker 2: has transformed the immigration system. No longer just being here

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Speaker 2: illegally makes you deportable. That's in clear violation of the law,

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Speaker 2: let alone own endangering Americans, endangering migrants, lying to Congress

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Speaker 2: under oath, and lying to the public.

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Speaker 1: Mark Green, the Chairman on Homeland Security, said that under

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Speaker 1: majorcas the Department currently is blocking one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: requests for documents that alone would be sufficient to decide

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Speaker 1: that he clearly is in contempt of Congress and is

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Speaker 1: failing to do his job.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has been in contempt of Congress, not just

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Speaker 2: for refusing to respond to document requests, but for the

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Speaker 2: lying he's done under oath to Congress, continuing to say

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Speaker 2: the border secure, the border's not open, being extremely deceitful

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Speaker 2: about this mass parole he's doing, and calling that a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote lawful pathway. He does not have the constitutional

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Speaker 2: of thousands of illegal aliens every month. Only Congress can

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Speaker 2: give such immigration benefits. So yes, again he merits.

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Speaker 1: Impeachment is the problem ultimately, Biden.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and good on Texas. States should not be left

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Speaker 1: Even Mallorcos has admitted that in the last two months

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Speaker 2: It's the most poisonous, deadly form of drug that we

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Speaker 2: But it's too late. I mean, they need to go

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Speaker 2: But again the administration refuses to do anything on the border.

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Speaker 1: When the House did move with HR two, the Secure

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Speaker 2: It was a fantastic bill because it would close the

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's plausible for Speaker Johnson to hang

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Speaker 1: And is that because they're afraid of their left Yes.

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Speaker 1: One of the major explanations for the rise of Trump

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a stark difference between Washington, DC and the

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Speaker 2: Makes you wonder about term limits for some of these members,

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Speaker 1: And of course, on the left, there's a perfect rationale.

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Speaker 2: Nor did they reverse their sanctuary policies. They just say

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Speaker 1: That's why I love it when Governor Desanis sent a

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Speaker 2: For the but not for me. Yeah, another bad optics moment.

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Speaker 2: It's not complicated, it just requires political will. So the

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Speaker 2: House has already passed HR two. Now the Senate should.

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Speaker 1: Is this a time when the decision point is real

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Speaker 1: call their house instead of members.

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Speaker 2: Most definitely, when Congress has to face funding issues funding

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Speaker 2: the government. That is Congress's most powerful action, the power

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Speaker 2: prevent the illegal flow in the first place. So yes,

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Speaker 2: don't give another dollar to this administration to keep these

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more, Laura. I really want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for dedicating so much of your life

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Speaker 1: find out more about the Heritage Foundation and the work

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Speaker 1: Heritage dot org. I really appreciate you spending this time

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Speaker 1: with us, educating us.

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Speaker 2: Well my pleasure in thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Laura Reese. You can learn

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