1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya ret An iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing In. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: We have a very special guest today. 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm really excited because she's only twenty five years old 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: and she's done more in her life than. 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 4: I don't know than you've ever done and I've ever 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 4: done yues Truly. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true, but she did attend 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: Harvard University. She's now known as this huge social media 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: influencer and a social entrepreneur. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: She went viral on TikTok for being so open about 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: menstruation and period symptoms. She now has over four million 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: followers on TikTok and her followers love her realistic content. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I am one of those four million, and. 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: She also has her own period product brand titled August. 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: We are very excited to talk and to learn all 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: about how she continues to change the stigma behind periods. 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Please help us give a warm welcome to Nadia Kamoto 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: who Hello, Why, Welcome to scrubbing In. Thank you for 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: having me. 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm very excited because I've been following you for a 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: really long time, and I thought I talked about periods, 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: and I thought I was really open about like, oh gosh, 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: my menstrual everything until I started following you. 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: Next level, it's next level. 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: When did you start? 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know where to start with 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: you because I feel like there's so much to cover 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: and you're only twenty five, and I really want to 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: talk about like the business process and how you started everything. 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: But I guess in terms of like your social media 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: and stuff, how did you get so comfortable sharing all 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: that and what kind of like sparked. 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: That for you. 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it definitely wasn't right out of the gates. 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 5: Like I think people see my tiktoks now and they're like, 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, this girl popped out of nowhere, just 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 5: like posting her period blood online. 39 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: But in reality, like I've. 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: Been in the period out of becacy space for almost 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: ten years. 42 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: Next year is my ten year anniversary. 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: So you started when you were fifteen. 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 3: So I started when I was sixteen. I started. 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 5: I had a nonprofit called Period when I was sixteen 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 5: years old. And when I was sixteen, that's when I started. 47 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 5: I mean, that's honestly was three years into having like 48 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 5: a fucking Facebook account and an Instagram account and so 49 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 5: social media to me wasn't an influencer thing. It was purely, Hey, 50 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: I'm running a nonprofit. I want people to give me 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 5: small dollar like five dollars donations and show up at 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 5: a volunteering event. We don't have any money. I don't 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 5: have any money. Social media is the only free tool 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 5: that we can use that's cheaper than printing papers and 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 5: posting them around Portland organ So social media for me 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: started ten years ago doing grassroots advocacy, and I think 57 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 5: I fell in love with social media as this like 58 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 5: free mobilization tool, especially in the realm of like changing 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: public opinion, and then working in politics. So I would 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: say that while I'm very, very bold on social media, 61 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 5: it was like six years of working on this, I 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 5: mean kind of more than full time alongside school and stuff, 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 5: before I actually posted my period blood online. 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: Got it? 65 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, So you're sixteen years old 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm going to start this nonprofit. Was 67 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: there someone in your life that you saw doing something 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: and you thought I want to change. 69 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: This area or like what? 70 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Because I don't at sixteen, I was thinking very differently 71 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: than you, it seems. 72 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, my mom is a really big 73 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: part of it. My mom is like a single mom, 74 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: me and then my two younger sisters, And you know, 75 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: I think around in my early adolescence, like we were 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: definitely going through a lot, Like my mom was really 77 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 5: kind of this strong, resourceful woman who I butt heads 78 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: with a lot, but I also really looked up to 79 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 5: just in terms of I could see how much she 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 5: was actively sacrificing to like keep me and my sisters safe. 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 5: And I will say, like we joke about it now, 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: how like especially with my other like Asian first or 83 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: second generation friends, like the tiger parent pressure is like 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: to get good grades in school and like your family 85 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 5: the great kind of background sacrifice so much for you 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 5: to be successful, like to be a doctor and lawyer. 87 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: I didn't have that. 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: My mom was more like I sacrifice so much for 89 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: you to like change the fucking world, and like we're 90 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 5: going through all of this and we're putting so much 91 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 5: on the line, and like you have a responsibility to 92 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: like reconcile your privilege and do something with it. So 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 5: I would say that I definitely have that a lot 94 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 5: for my family. But I'd also say, like I think 95 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 5: that the nature of the period space was I didn't 96 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 5: set into it being like, oh, I'm passionate about periods, 97 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 5: let me start a nonprofit. It was like, wait, I've 98 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 5: never heard of period poverty before. Forty states have the 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: tampon tax. Wait, periods are a leading cause of absenteism. 100 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 5: It was like learning about the issue, and then I 101 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: feel like in school, you know when you do community 102 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: service and they have you like sign. 103 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: On the little hour forms and. 104 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 5: You get it signed by your parent and you like 105 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 5: volunteer and you get credit for it. 106 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 107 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, So like I think school trained me to be like, Okay, 108 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 5: I am I care about in issue, like a disparity 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: in the world, so I go volunteer for a nonprofit. 110 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 5: But the thing about period poverty is I was first 111 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: turning to the internet looking for organizations addressing period poverty 112 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: in my area, in the region, in the country, and 113 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 5: there just wasn't one. There wasn't like an organization focused 114 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: specifically on advocacy, education and giving period products to people 115 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 5: in the States. 116 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: And so I think, I guess. 117 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 5: Honestly, a little bit of it is probably just me 118 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 5: being like impulsive, was like, oh, if it's not there, like, 119 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: I guess I might as little start it. 120 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so you started it at sixteen, and how 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: big is it now? How many people are working for 122 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: it now? 123 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 5: Well, I honestly, I haven't been involved for a few years. 124 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 5: So I in twenty nineteen, I like raised a bunch 125 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: of money and replaced myself with an adult executive director. 126 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I was like, I think I 127 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 4: did some stuff with Period last year. 128 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 129 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 5: So I led the nonprofit for six years as executive director, 130 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: and by the time I left, we had distributed enough 131 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 5: Period products address like, uh, I think it was like 132 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 5: one million periods. So we had given out twenty five 133 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 5: million units of Period products. We had registered chapters in 134 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 5: all fifty states, we were working on legislative advocacy approaching. 135 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 136 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: It became like the one of the largest organizations in 137 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 5: the space. And I was raising like millions of dollars 138 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 5: a year, specifically working with every major Period brand as 139 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 5: a donor for both products and financing. And I think 140 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: we had a team of like twenty or something like 141 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: with interns and contractors. 142 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: And now it's like, I don't even know it's I don't. 143 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I honestly like I the organization got to a 144 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 5: size where I was like oh my god, I'm in 145 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 5: college one. I don't even know what I want to 146 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 5: do with my life right. 147 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 4: Like I'm at Harvard. 148 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, and like well, and I was also I had 149 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 5: just run for office and I was like kind of 150 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: burnt out from that, and I was like, I just 151 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 5: don't I'm not the best person to run this, and 152 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: like the organization is now when you get to like 153 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 5: a multimillion dollar budget and you're doing some really amazing 154 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: expanding program work. 155 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: Like experience does matter. 156 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 5: But I think I started to really feel that where 157 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 5: I was like, oh my I need I need literally 158 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 5: need to just like raise money so I can pay 159 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 5: someone else to take on the organization because I think 160 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 5: it was kind of the realization that I felt like 161 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: I was doing a disservice to the organization if I 162 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 5: stayed at the HELM, because it was like I was 163 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 5: I was no longer the best person to run. 164 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were like a little in over your head. 165 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was totally in over my head. But I 166 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 5: kind of feel like I'm in over my head on 167 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: everything that I do. 168 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: So is that way is so in twenty nineteen when 169 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: you stepped away from that, is that when you launched 170 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: August which is your period company. 171 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it wasn't when I launched. 172 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: It was like, I mean, there's so much that goes 173 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 5: into starting any sort of yeas ran we raised two 174 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 5: million dollars before we launched, and it took us a 175 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 5: year and a half to do that raise because it's 176 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 5: it's like I it was such a steep learning curve 177 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: of having to learn like what goes into starting a company? 178 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 5: What is a minimum quantity order? And like how much 179 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: does that? 180 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: But not even that, but even just like creating these 181 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: products in jail is like so hard because I remember 182 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: I well, a few years ago, I was like really 183 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: passionate about the I'm patis about uh why am I 184 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: blinking on them? 185 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: Now? 186 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I use them mental cups, yeah, mentro cups, and there 187 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: aren't so many in the space, and I was like, 188 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: I want to create one that like has a tampon 189 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: string that has that same kind of feel because that's 190 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: what we're so used to using. 191 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: And then I kind of got into like the Weeds, 192 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: the very early Weeds event. 193 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: I was like, never mind, Yeah, this is quite literally 194 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: the hardest thing I've ever tried to do in my life. 195 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you did it well. 196 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: I would say that mental cups are also easier because 197 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 5: you don't have to buy so much up a front, right, 198 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 5: Like we're talking, you could get like a few thousand 199 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 5: mental cups and like try it out. That's why you 200 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 5: do see more small mentro cup brands coming out try 201 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 5: it out, put a like cute box on it. Period 202 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 5: products like tampons and pads, the minimum order is like 203 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 5: in the millions, right, So it wasn't like, oh, let's 204 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 5: buy a few and then try it out. It's like, no, 205 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 5: we have to. And also it was that we wanted 206 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: to build something really thoughtful, right Because by that point 207 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 5: I had been working in the period space for several years. 208 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 5: I had written a whole book on like why I 209 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 5: thought the industry needed to change, and I kind of 210 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 5: got to a point where I was like, I've worked 211 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: with every major period brand either as a nonprofit partner, 212 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 5: as a consultant, or an influencer, and like I one 213 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 5: of my critiques of this space is that product hasn't 214 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 5: been developed in the most thoughtful way. 215 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: Right. 216 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 5: It's been a lot of cutting corners in sustainability, in 217 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: terms of comfort, and originally I thought we were going 218 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: to do menstrual cups, and then we actually started to 219 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 5: build and talk to a community of young menstruators where 220 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 5: we realized like the majority of them didn't even know 221 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: where the vagina was. 222 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: Nobody knows how to use them. It's like very sad 223 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: to me. 224 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 5: No, I still like on social media and in person, 225 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: will like meet grown women some of whom have been 226 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 5: given birth, who like would they hear me talk and 227 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: they're like, I didn't know pean period blood came out 228 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: of the same hole or it came out of different holes. 229 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: Wait, They're like, I didn't know it came out of 230 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: two different holes. 231 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: And I always know about my pe hole until my 232 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: adult Like, like I think I was in college when 233 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I started really examining my vagina, Like I would look 234 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: in the mirror and like open it up and like 235 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: look in the and I didn't know. Yeah, I thought 236 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the same time, I thought that your pee and your 237 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: period like came out of the same thing. I honestly 238 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: had no idea until I think I was in college. 239 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I'm at. 240 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 4: She's starting non propitts at sixteen and I'm just learning. 241 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 3: But China was looking in the mirror, looking. 242 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: Into into my flaps at twenty one. 243 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 5: No, I mean there's still so much, like I feel 244 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 5: like I'm I mean, I'm ten years into like literally 245 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 5: this being like an obsession of mine, and there's still 246 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 5: so much that I don't know right, Like I think 247 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: I'm still just learning more about like uterine fibroids and 248 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 5: endometriosis and yeah, all of these other components of your 249 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: period and like how hormones and like birth control and 250 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: like there's it's such a it's I mean, that's the 251 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 5: beauty of working in periods. And why I'm still like 252 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: so obsessed with it is like it just connects to 253 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 5: every part of identity life. 254 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: But can I ask you something like in the business world, 255 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: because I was actually talking to somebody she's kind of 256 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: like a like a venture capitalist and like raises funds 257 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: and like puts money into different companies and stuff. And 258 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: she was telling me that the female male space, like 259 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: the like the female products in that whole space is 260 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: like does not do well. Like it's hard to get 261 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: people invested and get their money, and like people just 262 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: don't care. 263 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: Do you feel that? 264 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 5: I Mean, Okay, well, there's probably a lot of reasons 265 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: why it took us a year and a half to 266 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 5: raise our preseed round. 267 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I have. 268 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 5: I think that it's a harder space one because like 269 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 5: we had investors, We had a lot of investors who 270 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: turned us down and simply said, there's just no way 271 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: you can start something and ever compete with likeas always, 272 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: Like these are companies that have been around since the 273 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: beginning of the creation of this market one hundred years ago. 274 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: Like it's really it hasn't. 275 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 5: Even been like one hundred years that like Tampa's and 276 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 5: Pads first entered mainstream market. 277 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: I know, like you, I don't think you understand when 278 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: I go to like CBS or Walgrains or like a 279 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: store like that to get my products when it's my period, 280 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: I only see Tampas and always and I don't use 281 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: those brands, And it like infuriates me because I feel 282 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: like it is so much harder for us to get 283 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: our hands on these products that are cleaner, you know 284 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, like not gifted and bleach in all 285 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: of these things because you have to order them online. 286 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 4: Is that how you have to order August. 287 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: We just launch on Target. Oh that's huge, Oh congrass, 288 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: thank you. 289 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 5: But I think that like even around like when we 290 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 5: were raising. I will say it's different because we're kind 291 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 5: of in an interesting time, like in the last few 292 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 5: years where like and I think a lot of my 293 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 5: career has escalated because I've been in the right place 294 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 5: at the right time, Like started in twenty fourteen. In 295 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: December twenty fifteen was the year that NPR Newsweek we're 296 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 5: writing these articles about how twenty fifteen was the year 297 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 5: of the period where suddenly people realize people at periods 298 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 5: and we needed to talk about it. And then like 299 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: over the last few years, we've seen this like more 300 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 5: reproductive rights conversation coming into the forefront. I think partially 301 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 5: because they're very much under attack right now. And I 302 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 5: also think that as the stigma gets chipped away, I 303 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 5: do think that people in the business world are seeing 304 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 5: it as a strong opportunity. So even though it is 305 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 5: hard to tap into, there is more capital than ever before, 306 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 5: specifically looking into investing in products that are supporting reproductive wellness. 307 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 5: I in comparison to other industries, it's not the same 308 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 5: level at all, but like, we have made tremendous progress 309 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 5: because like, compared to ten twenty years ago, this just 310 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 5: wasn't even a conversation. It wasn't even like we weren't 311 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: even talking about what ingredients were in your period products 312 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 5: at a mainstream level. And so I think that the 313 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: more stigma we break away, the more potential there is. 314 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, I didn't even think about it until 315 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: I started getting my UTI is like crazy. Yeah, I 316 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't even I would never even have thought to change 317 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: my period products ever in my entire life until I 318 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: started looking into it and realizing like that the tampons 319 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: I was using were really harmful. And so I think, 320 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: like everybody has to like go through at their own thing, 321 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: but I feel like some people may not even experience 322 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: that their whole lives, you know. 323 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. I also think it's like just what you said 324 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 5: is also why it's so hard to break into the 325 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 5: period space historically, is that the period stigma keeps it 326 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 5: under this like you know, dark curtain. 327 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, when nobody wants to talk about it and we 328 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: carry our tampons and up our sleeves to the bathroom 329 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: like everybody were all like ashamed of it in a 330 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: weird way. 331 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's like most people, I mean, maybe yourself, 332 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: like you get into your period, you start using like 333 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 5: usually what your mom just uses right, and so there's 334 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 5: no conversation about it. There's no like trading tips around it. 335 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 5: I think like when you think about makeup, like the 336 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 5: way that makeup is talked about, and I mean, you 337 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: are choosing between this lips of color, this this lips 338 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: of color. You're not necessarily like combining them. 339 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: It's true. 340 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like all the influencers that you see like doing 341 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: their makeup, we see like different types of makeup. I 342 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: could see five hundred people doing it in a day, yeah, 343 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: and see anybody holding up their tamponing like this one 344 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: is well I do, but. 345 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: Like right, but this, But I also think like I 346 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 5: think like when you compare you know, how we talk 347 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 5: about makeup of like, wait, that's really cute. 348 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: Tell me about it. What do you like about it 349 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: versus your period? 350 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: You're not going around like even thinking like you're not 351 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: even thinking like oh girls around me or like people 352 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 5: around me have their peers, much less going around being 353 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 5: like oh, like. 354 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: Does it absorb your blood clots? 355 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: Well? You know, like it's just the stigma has completely 356 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 5: limited the amount of innovation that we could see in 357 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: this space. 358 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: Were you having these conversations with your friends, like when 359 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: you were like in high school and stuff. Was were 360 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: these conversations that you were having openly with your friends 361 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: and you all were talking about the issues or was 362 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: this like a single like you had a focus and 363 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: that was like your like yeah, kind of your thought process, 364 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: but not something you were socially talking about. 365 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: I guess I don't think it was. 366 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely not something I was socially talking about. 367 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 5: I mean I think that especially in high school, I was, 368 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 5: I mean I was just concerned about like fitting in 369 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 5: and making friends. And I went to high school in Portland, Oregon. 370 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: We're like being cool was like enjoying rock climbing and 371 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: you know. 372 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 4: That, And so that's where I belong. I mean, you know, 373 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: sporty girl. 374 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: No, No, like yeah, your best on doesn't mean. 375 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: I couldn't be you look like yeah, you know, like 376 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: I belong. 377 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, you just need some like Birken stuff like yeah. 378 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: But but so I think socially it wasn't really something 379 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 5: I was talking about. Plus, I remember, like the first 380 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: thing I did when we decided to incorporate as a 381 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: nonprofit is me and my co founder, a classmate of 382 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 5: my name Vince. We got up in front of the 383 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 5: whole school and we were like, we're doing a drive, 384 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 5: a collection drive, and we're just going to collect period products. 385 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 5: We've got these bins. Can you just drop period products off? 386 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: We'll handle the distribution and stay tuned for like a 387 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 5: packing party. And like the silence and just like the 388 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 5: looks and you know, it was it was just embarrassing. 389 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: I think I really used it to fuel me, and 390 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 5: I think every time some when it reacts in like 391 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 5: a weird and comfort way, it fueled me. But like 392 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 5: in my high school social life, I was like, okay, 393 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 5: like not gonna talk about it there, but I use 394 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 5: that to fuel me everywhere else. And like I do 395 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 5: not have any social anxiety if I'm talking to like 396 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 5: a crowd of strangers, and so I think that's where 397 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 5: it's like I didn't talk about it socially, but like 398 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: all my free time was like cold emailing people, talking 399 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 5: to any like groups that would listen to me. I 400 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 5: would literally go to like the local stores, like the 401 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 5: local Jiffy Loop and the Jiffy Lube auto mechanic store 402 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: and like pitch them fun like hey, I'm raising for 403 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 5: this thing, can you give me money? Like I was 404 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 5: literally a sixteen year old kid walking around Portland trying 405 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: to figure out what it meant to raise money, googling 406 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 5: how to raise money. There were times where I would 407 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 5: like make cookies and give them out and like on 408 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 5: the street and like play guitar Like this was me, 409 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 5: Like I was trying everything. It went from that, and 410 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 5: I would just be so excited if someone gave me 411 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 5: like five dollars, then it was twenty dollars, and then 412 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 5: it was like ten thousand dollars and then twenty five 413 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 5: thousand dollars, so like within six months, and honestly, because 414 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 5: of social media and we were like posting here's what 415 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 5: we're doing, journalists were like, what is this? Why haven't 416 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 5: we talked about period poverty? We started like growing very quickly, 417 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: and I think a lot of it was because I mean, 418 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 5: once you tell someone about period poverty, it's just like, 419 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 5: oh wow, Like why haven't I ever thought about that? 420 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 3: Of course? 421 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: Do you ever like kick back with a beer? 422 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 423 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: Like you, No, I don't have any of you kick 424 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: back with a cocktail? 425 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: Are you if? I like relax? 426 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 427 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: Do I not come off as like really chill? But 428 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, am I like that? 429 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: Obviously? 430 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 3: High struck. 431 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: No, you meet me here, go get her. I know 432 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: you're just like you going to change the world. 433 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: Monica Gellerbybes, which I love, which I like, definitely a 434 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: Monica Geller vibe. But no, like I look at you 435 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: and I just feel like you're doing so much and 436 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: you've done so much, and like you're so pat and 437 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: I love it. It's like so admirable. But I and I 438 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: think I just want to know, like do you turn off? 439 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: Do you or no? 440 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: But like, no, that's a great question because some people. 441 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: I think we had a guest last week that was 442 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: she just always works, like she works up until she 443 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: goes to sleep, and then she goes to sleep, and 444 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: then she gets up and she just works all day 445 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: and she's passionate about it and she loves it. And 446 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I'm just 447 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: curious if you do. 448 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 5: My life is a little bit more like that than 449 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 5: like having an act of social life. But I would 450 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 5: say that like it's actually been a huge part of 451 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 5: my personal journey. I was actually just telling my assistant 452 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: that when we were driving the last time I was 453 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 5: in LA I was here for rehab and I was 454 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 5: in residential rehab for a couple months, like as a 455 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 5: result of like depression, like exhaustion, and just like literal 456 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 5: addiction to work. And I was actually stuck in a 457 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: COVID bubble at rehab with three other people who are 458 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 5: there for like addiction to drugs, and I was there 459 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: for addiction to work. And like when I say work 460 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 5: a calling, why when I say workaholic, I don't mean like, 461 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: you know, glorifying hustle culture. I mean like not pooping 462 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 5: for five days, because like I saw pooping as a 463 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 5: waste of time because I was working like that. 464 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: It was an extreme thing and. 465 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: I talk about it now, but like I definitely I 466 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: mean I came into my career at like as hustle 467 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 5: culture and like glorification and rural bossary of like let 468 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 5: me work, I work harder. I represent like you know, 469 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 5: and girl culture has kind of been canceled, and I've 470 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: been publicly called out for that too, and I fully 471 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 5: embrace it. 472 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: But like I think what a lot of people didn't see. 473 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 5: Was I, by age seventeen eighteen, I was like working, 474 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 5: we had we're bringing on like team members. I gave 475 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 5: my first TED talk. Behind the scenes, I was like 476 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: very depressed. Struggling with PTSD, doing a lot of work 477 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 5: at night because I had insomnia from PTSD was like 478 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: struggling with self harm and on like a regular basis. 479 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 5: In high school, I was passing out from exhaustion and 480 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 5: getting rushed to the emergency room to the point where 481 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: like the nurses knew me, and like I would go in, 482 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 5: they would all the tests and then be like, you're exhausted, 483 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 5: you haven't drink water, Like here's an IV bag, you 484 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 5: need to cut back. And I'd be back two months later, 485 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: and they got to a point where they just wouldn't 486 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: test me anymore because they were like, you just you're 487 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 5: back for exhaustion. So I would say that, like my god, Yeah, 488 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 5: it's like it's been an extreme where I think that 489 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 5: like in an unhealthy way. I mean, so I got 490 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 5: diagnosed when I was in rehab with borderline personality disorder, 491 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 5: which I mean the best way to describe it is 492 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: like it's crippling imposter syndrome or feeling like a worthless 493 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 5: piece of as like my base and the way that 494 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 5: I kind of like coped with it was I found 495 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 5: my purpose, like this purpose that I cared so deepy 496 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: about that made me feel good, and I just overcompensated 497 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 5: it to an extreme where it was like if I 498 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 5: ever shut my laptop for years, like even in college, 499 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 5: if I shut my laptop, I would just like cry 500 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 5: or have a panic attack. So I's just working until 501 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: I was so exhausted I passed out to sleep. 502 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: Like it was just not healthy, so wild. 503 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 5: And part of the hard part of like working through 504 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 5: a lot of those pass is that it's hard to 505 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 5: break when the result of you working that hard is 506 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: like external validation, impact numbers and positive media. 507 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 3: So there was no incentive. 508 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: I also think like after I started the organization, when 509 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 5: I was doing this work, like child Protective Services came in, 510 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 5: I very like suddenly lost connection with my dad. And 511 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 5: this was like while I was talking about like violence 512 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 5: against women from an advocacy standpoint, and meanwhile, like this 513 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 5: domestic violence sexual abuse thing with my family was like 514 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: coming to light. And so I was like on the 515 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: road speaking writing this book while handling this. So all 516 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 5: that to say, like my relationship with work like now 517 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 5: it is like I love working. This makes me happy. 518 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: I not only do August, I like do a bunch 519 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 5: of other things. And I love doing these projects, and 520 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 5: I am very privileged to only have to work on 521 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 5: things that I'm passionate about. But like where I used 522 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: to be was like a fucking extreme. It was like 523 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 5: I was not I was like really running away from 524 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 5: so much through work. And I always feel like I 525 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 5: want need to contextualize that, like because for many years 526 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 5: and I regret this in many ways, Like I was 527 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 5: on speaking tour book tour, and I would always be 528 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 5: asked like by these young kids, like people younger than me, 529 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 5: like how do you balance it all? How do you 530 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 5: like manage your mental health and do all these things? 531 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 5: And I feel like my answer, which felt really true 532 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 5: to me at that point, was like, you know, I 533 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 5: really care about the things that I work on, and 534 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 5: I make sacrifices. I don't have like a crazy social 535 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 5: life in high school or college because I'm doing this, 536 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 5: like and I think, in reality, like the real answer 537 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: should have been like I honestly just need to go 538 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 5: to therapy and someone needs to tell me to go 539 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 5: to sleep at a bedtime. 540 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: Like yeah, And I think that now. 541 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: That's why I'm like very open and honest with it, 542 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 5: because like I recognize that I have a platform and 543 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: I definitely was part of that like girl Boss way 544 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 5: too close to the sun, you know. 545 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially it's such a like. 546 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: Important age where you're soaking in so much, like, oh 547 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: I need hustle, is like all I gotta do is hustle. 548 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: I got a hustle. 549 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: When did social media switch from a marketing strategy to 550 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 2: get word out to you being an influencer and like 551 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: and using that as your platform specifically? 552 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: What was the shift? 553 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I I it started really early on, 554 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 5: when like nano and micro influencers started being like a 555 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 5: whole category business as we're investing in. I would honestly 556 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 5: say that it started when I was at like ten 557 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: thousand Instagram followers like TikTok didn't even exist, and the 558 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 5: way I didn't think of it as like I'm an 559 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 5: influencer for like me and what I look like or 560 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: my lifestyle. It was like suddenly I had these brands 561 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 5: who were reaching out saying, we love what you're doing 562 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: with the organization. Can we quote unquote donate, but it's 563 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 5: really their marketing dollars. Can we give contract you for 564 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 5: compensation for social posts? And so they kind of came 565 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 5: to me and then I started realizing, wait, I can 566 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: like negotiate this and then I would just split it. 567 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: So because I didn't have an income, like I was 568 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 5: a volunteer with the organization for like four years, you know, 569 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 5: so like I would basically be like, okay, I'll keep 570 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 5: a percentage and then I'll donate it to the organization. 571 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 5: So from the early stage, it wasn't I didn't call 572 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 5: myself an influencer. Now I like I have to recognize 573 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 5: that I am. But like I looked at it as 574 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 5: like this is a revenue stream for the nonprofit. Like 575 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 5: you know, it's harder to get a company or like 576 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 5: a for profit entity to like donate out of the 577 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: goodness of their hearts. 578 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: The reality of this capitalistic world. 579 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 5: Is like, yeah, they want public credit, Yeah, they want 580 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 5: public credit. A lot of this the funds that would 581 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 5: come in are earmarked under marketing costs, right, So I 582 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 5: started using it as like a vehicle to build like 583 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: resources for the organization. And like early on when we 584 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 5: had no overhead costs because like me, my co founder, 585 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 5: everybody was volunteer it, we really could track every two 586 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: dollars donated went to like pure like sixteen units of 587 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: period products to a menstruator in need. So I think 588 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 5: it was really early on. I started TikTok literally like 589 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 5: taking TikTok seriously, like the day we launched the Loking 590 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 5: company August so June twenty twenty one, so like. 591 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: Two years very recent. 592 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 5: And that was because we raised this round and we 593 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 5: knew we had to raise again like in six to 594 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 5: twelve months. And you know, the kind of the metrics 595 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: that people the investors look at are like what is 596 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 5: your cost of acquisition? Like how do we make sure 597 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: you're not spending so much money to make money? And 598 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 5: so it was like, how do we grow organically? How 599 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 5: do we get people talking about the brand? Wait, TikTok 600 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: is this thing, like who are these new celebs coming 601 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: out on this platform? 602 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 3: TikTok. I had not really like used it at all. 603 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 5: So I started just like posting exorbitance amounts. Like for 604 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 5: six months, I would post like forty to one hundred 605 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 5: times a day. And now now I can show you 606 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: like I post like probably ten to twenty times a 607 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: day and I just archive whatever doesn't work. But I 608 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 5: was posting so much and then within six months we. 609 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: See two one hundred times a day? Wait, what is 610 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: that a minute, you. 611 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: Still do ten to twenty ten. 612 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like if you look at and not a lot 613 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 5: of people see it, But if I look at my 614 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 5: TikTok right, like here's me getting ready and I just 615 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 5: archive like yesterday I posted these seven, but then if 616 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 5: you go into the archive, I've archived like twelve. Also 617 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 5: from that, like, I just started to like, let meking 618 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: gamify this platform, figure out how to use it, and 619 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 5: let me see let me see how I can create 620 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 5: it kind of into a funnel to support the business. 621 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 5: And so literally like two six months in, I was 622 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: at two million followers. Now then six months later I 623 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 5: was at four million. Now I've kind of like studied 624 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 5: is like algorithms change has become much more oversaturated. So 625 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: I've actually been focusing a lot more on like YouTube shorts. 626 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 5: But I like, I definitely think of it as like 627 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 5: a you know, how do I optimize that? 628 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: Are you a genius? I know, I know a literal china. 629 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, can I like, I don't know what the 630 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: word is. Can you talk to me weekly on a 631 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: weekly basis and give me a checklist of things to 632 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: do and grow? I feel like because now I'm being serious, 633 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: like just me as a person. I think a lot 634 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: of people listening to sometimes like you can feel very 635 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: stagnant and very like stuck and like not really know 636 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: how to just like move forward, and like I feel 637 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: like you have no issue with that, you just like go. 638 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 5: I honestly think that like this is where like my 639 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 5: past mental health disorders have like become superpowers is like 640 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 5: and that and also like growing up in the public 641 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 5: eye and in the activist space, which can be very critical, right, 642 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: which is that like now I'm at a point in 643 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 5: my life in my career where I'm like, no, nobody 644 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: can say anything that's meaner than what I've already said 645 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 5: to myself or like what someone's already said to me, 646 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 5: like come at me, bro, Like you know, I kind 647 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 5: of feel that way where it's like, Okay, you're gonna 648 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 5: tell me that my period is disgusting, Well, like let's. 649 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: Have a conversation about it. 650 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 651 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 5: But like I also think that, like I definitely have 652 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 5: to have boundaries because like I have this history of 653 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 5: like being so addicted to like the metrics, the external validation. 654 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: So I like I spend all my time on TikTok 655 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 5: making content like I don't go down, hold scroll. I 656 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: don't really scroll, and if I'm scrolling, I'm like looking 657 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: for content ideas. But yeah, I'm like very unfiltered, which 658 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 5: means that every now and then I'll like accidentally post 659 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 5: a nipslip very regularly, like because I'll be making content, 660 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 5: or like I'll be putting in my tampon and then 661 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 5: someone will be like, girl, your coucies out and I'm like, oh, 662 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 5: then to take it down, take it down, and like 663 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: Mike count will be suppressed for a bit, like because 664 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 5: I'm just like I literally am like because every single. 665 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 4: Day Coucci since my. 666 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 5: Giant Volvo or whatever, but like every day I feel 667 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: like I'll have like twenty phone calls and then in 668 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 5: between is when I'm making content. So then I'm like, 669 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 5: to me, content is like it's like the means. 670 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: Content is key, That's what they say, But. 671 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 5: It's the means to an end, not like my end goal, 672 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 5: which helps me remove some of the like stress, yeah right. 673 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 4: Or like cares too much? 674 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah. 675 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Have you discovered a good sleeping schedule? 676 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 5: Okay, my biggest flex is that I sleep eight to 677 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 5: ten hours a night. 678 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: That's my biggest flex. 679 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: Who are you I Yeah, and if I go down, 680 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: So usually I'm like. 681 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: Midnight, go down. 682 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: Because I go down, I can go down to like 683 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: eight forty five. 684 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 5: I'm more of like and then is this where like 685 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 5: to what you're saying about your past cast, Like I 686 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 5: definitely like I wake up, I'm like, I walk my dog, 687 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 5: I'm like working, I do my yoga and then I'm 688 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 5: working and then I go to sleep. 689 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: Like I definitely like that is my routine work from 690 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: home in the office. 691 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 5: We have an office, but I would say that for me, 692 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 5: I try to sleep like eight to ten hours a night, 693 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 5: and like if I don't, I like really feel it, 694 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 5: Like I just don't. I remember being a freshman in 695 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 5: college and I would pull like two or three all 696 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 5: nighters in a row. I mean, and again this was normalized. 697 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 5: Like I really think a lot of the whole hustle 698 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 5: culture I learned in the recent years was at Harvard. 699 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: Like I get to Harvard and suddenly, like the culture 700 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: around work is so competitive in the sense that like 701 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 5: it's not super obvious of people competing with each other, 702 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 5: but like it's this culture of hey, like how are 703 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 5: you doing? And the flex is to be like I'm exhausted. 704 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 5: I haven't slept in two days, right, like all the 705 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 5: like all my coding software engineer friends, it was like 706 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 5: kind of be complaining but like really bragging about like 707 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 5: how many nights have you spent in the library, Like 708 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 5: I'm so busy that like you don't even know how 709 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 5: tired I am. So but I like I used to 710 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 5: pull these all nighters and like now I cannot do that. 711 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: I'm just like I don't. 712 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: It's so funny today that because when I sleep seven hours, 713 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: I feel it. 714 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I need eight. I think I need like 715 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 5: ten to twelve. Like I'm already Like last night was 716 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: hard because I was like on the plane, but I 717 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 5: sleep really well on the planes, and then I. 718 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 3: Got here, I slept, but like usually. 719 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 5: I'm like a new uh midnight like eight am. 720 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: At least on weekdays, and then pretty good. 721 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 5: Actually no, I'm like and like it's unheard like for 722 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 5: a lot of my friends who are like especially like 723 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 5: startup founders and like have the pressure of being VC backed, 724 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 5: like they're not sleeping, and for me, it's like I 725 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: just think I learned the really hard way about what 726 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 5: that does, and like I'm still paying a lot of 727 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 5: the consequences just like in even in my physical body, ye, right, 728 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 5: And so I think, like now I'm like all about 729 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 5: my sleep, like I don't have. I don't have like 730 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 5: for me self care is not like I don't take 731 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 5: a lot of bath, I don't like meditate. I try, 732 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 5: it just doesn't like, you know, it's not very great 733 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 5: for me. But I love yoga, I love working out, 734 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 5: and I sleep. 735 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 3: And I love sleep. 736 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: I love hearing that though, because I feel like all 737 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: these powerful people like and they write in their books 738 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: that they wake up at like four o'clock so that 739 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: they can get like two hours of their me time 740 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: in before the world wakes up and they work, you 741 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 742 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 4: Like that's kind of like the narrative that I feel 743 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 4: like I hear a lot. 744 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: You know, like the Christ Jenners of the world where 745 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: she like gets on her treadmill and like answers emails, 746 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: you know whatever time in the morning before the day 747 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: even starts. 748 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 5: And so that is not I'm more like a wake 749 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 5: up at eight fifty nine. No, actually, more so, I'm 750 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 5: more of like a wake up at nine oh two 751 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 5: for a nine am zoom, like I blame late to 752 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: the meeting, like you know, come on to the call. 753 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 5: I really like, yeah, I'm learning on the job, you know, 754 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 5: Like yeah, I still sleep through my meeting. 755 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: It's like I'm not I'm not that morning girl. 756 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: Wow what was your first I don't know, I don't 757 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: want to say. I guess shocking post for like to 758 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: TikTok where you got like a reaction because there's one 759 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: thing standing in front of a crowd because you said 760 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: you don't have social anxiety, there's one. To me, there's 761 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: like one thing standing in front of a crowd and 762 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 2: being like this is what I'm I'm passionate about. I'm 763 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: trying to raise money for. But when you go on 764 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: social media, you're opening yourself up to anyone and everyone 765 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: to have an opinion. 766 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: So what when was that where you first posted? 767 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: Because you talked about posting your period blood on social media. 768 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have a lot of social anxiety. 769 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 5: It's just like not with big crowds of strangers, Like 770 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 5: I have a lot of social anxiety, like on like 771 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 5: in here, no, like this is okay, But if this 772 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 5: was mostly because I can connectualize it in my mind 773 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 5: of like this is kind of like. 774 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 3: A work thing. 775 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, like I'm talking about my work but like my 776 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 5: biggest nightmare is like a mingling hangout party like. 777 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 3: All my friends a small talk. 778 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 5: I hate, like I will never ever like I get 779 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 5: actual anxiety, will have a panic attack if someone's like, 780 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 5: come meet me at this like house party I'm going 781 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 5: to where I don't know anybody. 782 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 3: I would literally I'm going off on tangent. 783 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 5: But like Harvard has these finals clubs, which are kind 784 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 5: of like versions of like you know, secret cools like societies, 785 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 5: and I just never made it past the first round. 786 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 5: And whoever was my plus one would always make fun 787 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 5: of me because I would get so nervous. I would 788 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 5: bring up the weather, like three. 789 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 3: Times in a row. 790 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 5: I'd be like, hey, how are you, Like the weather's 791 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 5: been kind of crazy. 792 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you from? Where's the what's the weather there? 793 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, like the weather's been really rainy, And I 794 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 5: just I have so much solcal anxiety in there. So 795 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 5: it's really weird because when I'm in a crowd of 796 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 5: people or if I'm online, like to me, I I 797 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 5: don't think of like making a video about my tampon 798 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 5: being me and a million people on their phones. I 799 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 5: think of it as me and my phone, like yeah, 800 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 5: and I think that there's there's like I genuinely cannot fathom, 801 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 5: like it doesn't feel like people are watching me, even 802 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 5: if I see the numbers, Like there are some instances 803 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 5: where it's very personal, like when I think of online community, 804 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 5: like August has this inner cycle group on an app 805 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 5: called Geneva that's like Slack where everybody's talking, so it's 806 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: more of a conversation. But to me, like TikTok, that's 807 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 5: not necessarily a community. It's like an audience where I'm 808 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 5: getting people's reactions, but like it's it's just me talking 809 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 5: and making content. So there's a bit of a disconnect 810 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 5: in my brain. But I will say, and it sounds crazy, 811 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 5: I think to a lot of people, they're like, you 812 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 5: post your vaginal discharge and you're used tampons online, Like 813 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 5: that's being ridiculous. To me, it just seems like such 814 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: an obvious solution where it's like, I know, I ever 815 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 5: showed my period blood online in the first six years 816 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 5: of my career because I didn't feel like I needed to. Well, 817 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 5: as soon as I launched a product, people the first 818 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 5: thing they ask is how does it feel, Does it 819 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 5: actually work, does it absorb? How does it absorb in 820 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 5: comparison to this other pad. 821 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: And I know honestly the visual of yeah, of your 822 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: your pads versus the other ones, and like she soaked 823 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know what you soaked them in. 824 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: I was just like red red liquid, yeah, red liquid. 825 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: And she would like jiggle her product and like nothing 826 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 4: would come out and then she would jiggle. I don't 827 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 4: know what the other was it. 828 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 3: It was just an always pad. 829 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 4: I can't always pad it and it was. 830 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: Just like the liquid was just like falling all over 831 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: and it's. 832 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 3: Like so cruel. 833 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: But it's like I use these horrible brands for our period, like. 834 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 4: We like really just because it's it's there. 835 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's like like to me, I 836 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 5: guess because I'm in this world, Like I don't think 837 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 5: it doesn't feel weird to me. It's just like, well, 838 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 5: you asked to see if it works, so like here 839 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 5: is it working. And part of my frustration with the 840 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 5: industry is like we have normalized sea ads for decades 841 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 5: with blue liquid, blue watery liquid. Your period is not blue, 842 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 5: nor is it like I'm pure watery liquid. Like your 843 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 5: period is goopy and like full of clots and sometimes 844 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 5: it's like thin liquid. Sometimes it's thick, Like it's just 845 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 5: completely inaccurate to assume that it's like water. 846 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 3: And so I think that when when so like for me, like. 847 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 5: It wasn't even there wasn't like any processing over like 848 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 5: people are going to think it's weird. It was like 849 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 5: they asked me a question and I'm answering similarly, like 850 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 5: I get so many questions around like what is this 851 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 5: little slug coming out of me? And they're talking about 852 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 5: like vaginal discharge, and I am like, that's what you're ovulating. 853 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 5: Obviously it would be helpful to have a visual representation 854 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: of what that looks like. Yeah, So every now and 855 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 5: then if I have like a little goopy thing and 856 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 5: I'm ovulating, I'm like, this is what it looks like, 857 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 5: and like this is what it tells you. 858 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 4: You're like missus Frizzle for the period. 859 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: You're like Miss Rachel for the for the the community. 860 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 4: The I don't know who Miss Rachel is. 861 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: She's like the kid, the the little like all the 862 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: kids are obsessed in Miss Rachel. 863 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: She like does like educational videos I have the children. 864 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, I don't know I am doing you, 865 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: But you've got the missus frizzle. 866 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so true though, because. 867 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: Then, like how many nights have I woken up and 868 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: like grabbed my pad like because I don't want it 869 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: to like leak on my like scoot to the. 870 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 4: Bathroom and stuff. 871 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: It's just like I've had so many horrible night sleeps 872 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: because my pads. I have to like sleep like a 873 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: pencil because I don't want to move so that like 874 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: my blood doesn't get everywhere. 875 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 3: You just have to wear spandex. 876 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 4: I know I noticed that you did that. 877 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 5: I've never I started talking about that online where it 878 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 5: was like everybody's like, my pad ends up not on 879 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 5: my body, and I'm like yes, and like because obviously 880 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 5: from a product innovation standpoint, it's like, okay, how do 881 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 5: we fix that? 882 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: Right? 883 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: We could make it the pad stick to you, but 884 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 5: right now it doesn't stick to you, so like you 885 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 5: need to keep the pad on you. Right, the pad 886 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 5: will work and absorb if it doesn't, you know, physically move, 887 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 5: We're not sticking it onto you, so you need to 888 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 5: hold it in. So for me, if I guess I 889 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 5: have a heavy night flow, I just wear Spandex over 890 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 5: my underwear, So keeps the pad where it. 891 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 3: Needs to be. 892 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: I know, it's sleeping in Spanish, it feels constrict, like 893 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: I vagina to breathe. 894 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah a little bit. 895 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 5: Well then you can free bleed and that's your Yeah. 896 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: But I do think, I do think that like that. 897 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 5: That's also where like the community I've found online from 898 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 5: talking about periods has been so beautiful and so eye 899 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 5: opening that it just completely overrides any of the hate 900 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 5: and the death threats. 901 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 3: Like if I receive a. 902 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 4: Death threat, yeah, yeah a lot, Like I. 903 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 5: Also received these from the beginning of you know, always 904 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 5: like people get very upset about period things, especially because 905 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 5: we're very openly trans inclusive, like we on our box 906 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 5: at Target, even like very proudly amidst all the shoing 907 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 5: around like kind of swirling around. Target is like our 908 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 5: boxes for everyone who men straights, and we very publicly 909 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 5: are like wherefore people who are non binary and get 910 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 5: their periods, people who are transmit and get their periods, 911 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 5: like we are here to be for anyone who menstraights 912 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 5: and so U. But I think even being able to 913 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 5: find community and like support, lend my platform to that 914 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 5: community or to communities to talk about like being disabled 915 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 5: on your period, being in the military on your period, 916 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 5: being you know, having at nometriosis, being plus sized on 917 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 5: your period. Like, there's so many different experiences and like identities, 918 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 5: and we all get together to relate about periods and 919 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 5: it just is so rewarding and so it just completely 920 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 5: it helps not care about. 921 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 3: The yead stuff. 922 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 6: Wow. 923 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: I mean, You're having conversations about things that I haven't 924 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 2: even thought about because it doesn't personally affect me. So 925 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 2: like you're having these conversations that are finally people are 926 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: feeling seen because you started talking about them well. 927 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 5: And I think part of it is, like I also 928 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 5: like there every single day, I feel like I'm learning 929 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 5: about other period experiences, like even period poverty for example, right, 930 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 5: Like I think that period poverty is something that I've 931 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 5: never personally experienced. It's something that I feel like I 932 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 5: can empathize with, just given like my personal background with 933 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 5: like financial instability. But like for me, even when I 934 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 5: hear stories of period poverty or like still hear stories 935 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 5: of like what people use when they don't have access, 936 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 5: whether it be like socks or cardboard or you know 937 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 5: in other countries as well, like using like leaves, And 938 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 5: I think that like I still feel like I'm learning 939 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 5: a lot about that in the same way that right now, 940 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 5: there's so much horrible legislation around periods, reproductive rights, and sex. Said, 941 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 5: like I'm going to Miami in a few days because 942 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 5: Florida Bill ten sixty nine just passed and it basically 943 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 5: bans pronouns from classrooms where like teachers are not allowed 944 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 5: to in law respect pronouns like unless it's just gender 945 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 5: Like there is no trans existence in that law, and 946 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 5: it bans any comprehensive sex said, any conversations about periods 947 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 5: before sixth grade. And even though it's not, the word 948 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 5: period or mentation isn't said in the bill, Like the 949 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 5: author of the bill has said, yes, this means that 950 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 5: people before sixth grade cannot. 951 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: Talk about parents even though they're on their period. 952 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 5: So it's been nicknamed the don't say period Bill, right, 953 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 5: So like I think that for me, like I still 954 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 5: feel like I'm just learning about what like even periods 955 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 5: in politics, periods in public culture, just because like it's 956 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 5: happening so fast. 957 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, our girl, I am so impressed. 958 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 4: I know, I'm impressed. I inspire. 959 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: I just I really appreciate you, and I have a 960 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: lot going on so I do appreciate you taking the 961 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: time to be here. 962 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 3: Oh I know that you don't live in La So I. 963 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 4: Really appreciate you just being here with us. 964 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 5: Well, I'm so excited that we could make this work. 965 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 5: And I also think like it, you know, I kind 966 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 5: of am in a circle and like in my work 967 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 5: bubble where I'm like everybody talks about periods. But I 968 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 5: love doing podcasts, especially like with different audience who maybe 969 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 5: never heard about this before, because it's like it is 970 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 5: like a good reminder of like, wow, we have so 971 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 5: much work to do, right, Like the majority of people 972 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 5: when I do like speeches or something like they've just 973 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 5: never heard the term period poverty. Or do you guys 974 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 5: know about the tampon tax? Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, But 975 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 5: like the tampon tax still exists in twenty two stats, 976 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 5: and it's like a literal sales tax on period products, 977 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 5: considering them non essential goods. It's not it's not just 978 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 5: like a sale Like I have no issue with like 979 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 5: the concept the concept of a sales tax. It's like 980 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 5: it's because they're considered luxury items. Rogan and viag are 981 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 5: considered medical necessities, right, Like there's. 982 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 3: So much there rogain. 983 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's considered a medical necessity. 984 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, so is like peanal pumps. 985 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 3: Wow, I did not know that. I did not know that. Yeah, 986 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 3: Oh bless them. Tanya does keep the conversations I do. 987 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: I do like to keep the conversations going about periods, 988 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: but I've never really I don't really dive deep and 989 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't really go deep. So I really appreciate you 990 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: being here and sharing more of your story and everything 991 00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: that you've done. 992 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 3: You for having me. 993 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, where can people follow you on TikTok Instagram? Where 994 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 2: can people learn more about your brand? The not Well, 995 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 2: you're not involved as much as in the nonprofit, but 996 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 2: whatever you have going on. 997 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, the nonprofit is still going. It's period dot org. 998 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 5: I am working on August, so it's it's August dot 999 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 5: co and it's August is all over social and I'm 1000 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 5: at nadiot Lo Kamoto amazing. 1001 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm still processing that talking about the weather is a 1002 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: form of social anxiety because I do that. 1003 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 3: I just realized that. 1004 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 2: Your whole conversation about social anxiety is exactly the conversations 1005 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 2: I have, So I'll be processing that along with the other. 1006 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 5: I feel like I'm just like a nerd at heart 1007 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 5: where like I love this so much, but it's like 1008 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 5: I know how to talk about periods. Like I can 1009 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 5: talk to strangers about periods or mental health all day 1010 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 5: as soon as it turns to like small talk or anything, 1011 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 5: or like what's. 1012 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 4: Your favorite TV show? I'm like, like, what is your 1013 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 4: favorite show? 1014 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 5: I watch a lot of TV because I'm always I 1015 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 5: always have TV on the back when I'm working doing 1016 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 5: emails or anything. Okay, so like right now I'm watching 1017 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 5: Silicon Valley. But I'm always, like I think I get 1018 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,919 Speaker 5: hesitant to tell people what I'm watching because sometimes I'm 1019 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 5: like get judged, get judged, and then I don't want 1020 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 5: to talk about it. Like I'm like, yeah, I just 1021 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 5: been selling Sunset, Okay, Like that's great background TV though, yeah, 1022 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 5: it's pretty much good. 1023 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 3: It's good background. 1024 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1025 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 3: Do you last before we go? Do you date? Because 1026 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 3: like when you like when you are having conversations. 1027 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 5: Actually, so if you type in my name on social media, 1028 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 5: like on TikTok, nadia O Kamoto hot boyfriend comes up 1029 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 5: before nadia O Komodo tampon. 1030 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 4: Wow, because I have a hot boyfriend. 1031 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 3: I have a hot boyfriend. 1032 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 5: He's like never had a social media account, but he's 1033 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 5: very conventionally attractive and uh yeah, and like even there's 1034 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 5: like the searches before, like people you're looking for me 1035 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 5: in peers is like Nadia o Kamodo gay, Nadia Komodo 1036 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 5: pants because I talk a lot about being like pan 1037 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 5: sexual and like how even though I'm dating a cisc 1038 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 5: guy right now does not mean I'm like no longer 1039 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 5: pans actual. 1040 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been like, uh yeah, that's beautiful. 1041 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 5: Conventionally there's a lot of like viral videos and he's 1042 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 5: from Switzerland and it's really funny because he he's he 1043 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 5: has just never had social media. But randomly, like we'll 1044 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 5: get a piece in like the fucking uh Irish tabloid, 1045 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 5: and the Irish tabloid says something like period uh period 1046 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 5: fairy who wears pat to festival touts attractive boyfriend and 1047 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 5: it's like, what's funny? 1048 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild, but I do date. 1049 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 5: Wow, we're working on like making time, but we it's 1050 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 5: like us and our dog and I'm like obsessed with 1051 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 5: our dog. 1052 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, happy for you. That sounds balanced balanced me. 1053 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1054 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, really cracked the code. 1055 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've really cracked the code. 1056 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,919 Speaker 2: And the fact that you're posting ten to twenty times 1057 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 2: a day, is just inspired? Watch this weekend as I'm 1058 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 2: told to post three to five times a week. 1059 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well naughty is posting tended twenty and more unfiltered? 1060 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, honestly, that's the that's the key. 1061 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 3: It was so great me and thank you so much 1062 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 3: for taking the time to be here. Thank you for 1063 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 3: having me.