Speaker 1: Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moodie, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, Today,
Speaker 1: I am in a place of anxiety. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be honest in sharing how I'm feeling when I'm feeling it,
Speaker 1: because I know that many people are in a place
Speaker 1: of anxiety and fear about the future. And you know,
Speaker 1: my advice, at least the advice that my therapist offered
Speaker 1: me today was you can only control what you can control,
Speaker 1: right and for me, that is right now making doctor's
Speaker 1: appointments and getting vaccinated and making sure that like my
Speaker 1: health is okay in the event that the ACA is
Speaker 1: repealed and I lose health care, that at least for
Speaker 1: the year ahead, that I am up to date on
Speaker 1: all of the important appointments that I need to have.
Speaker 1: And I encourage everybody who you may pay for their
Speaker 1: own insurance like I do as an entrepreneur, to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, in thinking about what the future is going
Speaker 1: to look like, maybe dedicate more time to spending with
Speaker 1: your friends and family. The holiday season is coming up,
Speaker 1: and I know that for a lot of people, the
Speaker 1: holiday season is a mixed bag. I personally am grateful
Speaker 1: that I enjoy it, that I enjoy the time with
Speaker 1: my family, but I know for a lot of people
Speaker 1: is going to be filled with strife. There are some
Speaker 1: people that aren't going to be spending time with their
Speaker 1: family because of what happened with the election. And I
Speaker 1: want to say to those people too, if you are
Speaker 1: one of them that is going to make the decision
Speaker 1: not to spend time with your family, do what it
Speaker 1: is that will make you feel safe, make you feel seen,
Speaker 1: and make you feel cared for. And if being with
Speaker 1: a family that possibly voted against your rights and your
Speaker 1: life and your livelihood and your safety isn't that, then
Speaker 1: like that's okay. And also letting them know why is
Speaker 1: also okay, because I think that in a time when
Speaker 1: the truth of who America is has been revealed to
Speaker 1: all of us, it's time that we all start telling
Speaker 1: the truth to each other, not in a way to
Speaker 1: weaponize truth, but in a way to make people aware
Speaker 1: of your why. So it isn't just oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: coming home for Thanksgiving because I'm busy or because I
Speaker 1: have a prior commitment. It's because you saw fit to
Speaker 1: vote against my rights, my life or that of those
Speaker 1: that I care about and those that I love, and
Speaker 1: I realize that now we no longer share the same
Speaker 1: values and the same morals, and so I will no
Speaker 1: longer be spending holidays with you. That's a fair thing
Speaker 1: to say, because we don't know what the road ahead
Speaker 1: looks like. But I do know that I want to
Speaker 1: fill my time, whatever time that I have, with those
Speaker 1: that I love and care for deeply. You know, our
Speaker 1: time is precious, and so I don't want it to
Speaker 1: be spent wrapped up in fear and worry about a
Speaker 1: future that I cannot control. And I think that I
Speaker 1: say this to you all now as I am ingesting
Speaker 1: you know, my time with my own therapist, about like
Speaker 1: control what you can, let go of what you can't,
Speaker 1: and understand that we all have roles to play at
Speaker 1: this moment. We may not know what those roles are
Speaker 1: at this moment, but that they will be revealed to
Speaker 1: us in due time if we are paying attention to
Speaker 1: our internal clock, to our internal messaging and not just
Speaker 1: what is filled up on social media. So coming up
Speaker 1: next is my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel. It's the first time Jonathan and I
Speaker 1: are speaking since the elections, so we share and reflect
Speaker 1: on what the last two weeks have been like and
Speaker 1: kind of what we are offering up to others as
Speaker 1: we're in this mode of reflection. But what I will
Speaker 1: end with today too is saying that if you are
Speaker 1: finding yourself exhausted, if you are finding yourself weighed down,
Speaker 1: listen to your body and give yourself a break. We're
Speaker 1: also moving into winter. You know, the trees have lost
Speaker 1: their leaves. You know, the animals are going into hibernation.
Speaker 1: Our bodies flow on the same timeline and clocks as nature, right,
Speaker 1: And so if you are feeling heavy and tired, more
Speaker 1: so now than allow yourself the space and the time
Speaker 1: to rest, because that's also what the frenetic anxious energy
Speaker 1: does too. It burns us out. So I encourage us all,
Speaker 1: and I again am saying this out loud so that
Speaker 1: I hear it too, to rest when we need to move,
Speaker 1: when we need to in order to relieve our bodies
Speaker 1: of this stress, of this darkness. But that you have
Speaker 1: to lean into what brings you light. You have to
Speaker 1: let go of what does not, so that you have
Speaker 1: the ability the nimbleness to be able to continue moving
Speaker 1: forward wherever that forward will lead you folks, you know
Speaker 1: that whenever we have the opportunity to sit down with
Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzil, I am always thrilled.
Speaker 1: And it has been, Jonathan, two weeks since the results
Speaker 1: of the presidential election. I know that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are still very much reeling from the election and
Speaker 1: trying to make sense of where we are. And you
Speaker 1: and I haven't spoken in two weeks, So tell me
Speaker 1: how you are making sense of where things are right now.
Speaker 2: I mean the hard thing right now is we are
Speaker 2: in our lives are just honestly going to change pretty dramatically,
Speaker 2: I think toward the end of January in a way
Speaker 2: that is going to be really seismic. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how to handle that because I feel it deeply,
Speaker 2: and I read your social media posts and I know
Speaker 2: you're up at five five o'clock in the morning thinking,
Speaker 2: you know what, because it's even it's kind of like
Speaker 2: remember we used to say, like wake up before the election,
Speaker 2: but now I know so many people here who are like, oh,
Speaker 2: it won't really impact me, or you know, somebody told me, oh,
Speaker 2: they're only going to deport like the murderers and the rapists,
Speaker 2: like somebody I know and stuff like that. So there's
Speaker 2: kind of a level of I mean, I understand it's exhaustion,
Speaker 2: but it's also kind of disengagement or denial or something.
Speaker 2: And I think about that in a couple of ways.
Speaker 2: I mean, one is it's frustrating. I don't know whether
Speaker 2: I feel sometimes like I'm the guy who, like you
Speaker 2: probably feel it's like in a scary movie where you
Speaker 2: see the monster but nobody else does and it still
Speaker 2: feels that way, like the monster is like eating the townspeople.
Speaker 2: And so the level of like I just want to
Speaker 2: be checked out is probably going to continue in a way.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the world kind of divides in that way.
Speaker 2: And also I feel like it's a divide between people
Speaker 2: who understand have histories of historical trauma and people who don't.
Speaker 2: It's kind of my feeling sometimes also, So that's part
Speaker 2: of it. Part of it for me is a feeling
Speaker 2: of kind of frustration in a way. You know, I understand,
Speaker 2: like it's not like this time, It's not like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: People aren't going to be like out there protesting and
Speaker 2: things like that. Like people are down in a way,
Speaker 2: but it is that moment of like waking up at
Speaker 2: five am, and then I think, I told you this.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of colleagues who come from places
Speaker 2: where tutalitarian regimes took over democracies, and I said, like,
Speaker 2: what was it like? And they were like, it wasn't
Speaker 2: just one like wake up moment. It was like people
Speaker 2: kind of gradually got used to it, and pretty soon
Speaker 2: they started policing each other, and so societies that are
Speaker 2: ready for it. I just feel like our society is
Speaker 2: much more primed for what's coming now than it was
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, where it really was a shock to
Speaker 2: the system. And I guess the last thing is just
Speaker 2: honestly frustration. I mean, I feel like you and me
Speaker 2: and other people have been warning this for a long time,
Speaker 2: and even for me, like I tried to write my
Speaker 2: last book, I tried to call it How We Lost
Speaker 2: as a wake up call, and I said, like, we're
Speaker 2: going down the wrong path. We're not understanding what's happening
Speaker 2: here like many people did. But there was this similar
Speaker 2: level of kind of denial that happened before and it's
Speaker 2: happening now just about how we got here in the
Speaker 2: first place, So all of those emotions are kind of joined.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Wajahat my co host so on Democracy,
Speaker 1: Ish says that he often to our listeners that him
Speaker 1: and I are like Paul Revere, but instead of listening
Speaker 1: to the fact that the British are coming, they'll just
Speaker 1: shoot us off the horse. And it's this idea that
Speaker 1: for the last nine years, for as long as I
Speaker 1: have been doing I guess eight years that I've been
Speaker 1: doing wollkf, it has been consistently trying to get people
Speaker 1: to have imagination. And I think that where we are
Speaker 1: right now is a failure of imagination of Democrats. Because
Speaker 1: you know, my sister said something to me the other day,
Speaker 1: Jonathan that has stuck with me, and she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't really blame an untrained dog from bining somebody,
Speaker 1: and you can't blame a pig for being a pig.
Speaker 1: So she's like, so, in all honesty, she's like, it's
Speaker 1: not as if I really blame Donald Trump and the
Speaker 1: Republicans for doing what it is that they said that
Speaker 1: they would do, for acting in the ways that we've
Speaker 1: known that they would act, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, it is honestly
Speaker 1: those that refuse to train the fucking dog and recognize
Speaker 1: that something was wrong with it to begin with.
Speaker 2: Wait, am I the fucking dog?
Speaker 1: No, it's uh, you know, but it's I mean, but seriously,
Speaker 1: like it is. It is this idea like you cannot
Speaker 1: blame Donald Trump for being an autocrat and a dictator
Speaker 1: and cruel because that's who he is and that's what
Speaker 1: he has shown the American public. They just said, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad.
Speaker 2: But also I feel like part of the issue was
Speaker 2: he was promising people something that they wanted and still want,
Speaker 2: which was on an applied level, on a practical level,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just the thing I'm pushing back on
Speaker 2: is that like all these people now on whatever social
Speaker 2: media platform they're on, are.
Speaker 1: Saying, because you're like, where are the people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm still on Twitter because I
Speaker 2: want to see how this is playing out.
Speaker 1: Join me on blue Sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah you could be.
Speaker 1: You can still stay on Twitter, but join join me
Speaker 1: over on blue Sky.
Speaker 2: I'm on blue Sky. But the idea that like there's
Speaker 2: a safe haven in the show social media space, I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of a fantasy. I understand the fantasy,
Speaker 2: but the idea that like, oh, maga is going to
Speaker 2: wake up when it starts to hit them, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: people are getting promised what they want, which is some
Speaker 2: material things, retribution, it's real things. It's like if they
Speaker 2: were going to wake up, they would have woken up
Speaker 2: in Tennessee in twenty ten when I wrote Dying of
Speaker 2: Whiteness and they weren't getting healthcare. And so with the
Speaker 2: idea that like people are going to really wake up
Speaker 2: and regret this, I'm like, that is not how it works.
Speaker 2: There's always going to be something. But I also feel
Speaker 2: like I'm very critical of myself and our side for
Speaker 2: playing right into this in a way, like the Republicans
Speaker 2: were at the end of the day kind of unified,
Speaker 2: they broadened their coalition, they promised people things. Whether or
Speaker 2: not I agree with them, obviously, don't that they that
Speaker 2: they wanted. And I feel like our side was divided
Speaker 2: and fractured. And I mean, I've just seen this even
Speaker 2: my experience. It kind of harkens for me back to
Speaker 2: trying to get my last book published and how I
Speaker 2: kept saying, like, look, man, We have a problem here,
Speaker 2: which is that liberals like me are making up all
Speaker 2: these gun laws that make sense to me because I
Speaker 2: believe in public health and I don't have a gun.
Speaker 2: But the idea that we're going to get people to
Speaker 2: go along with gun control who are in red states
Speaker 2: and don't have guns because they don't believe in government,
Speaker 2: like our whole framework is wrong here, and as you know,
Speaker 2: I got shown the door for that, and me, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that I just think our framework, we needed
Speaker 2: a framework. Honestly, I think.
Speaker 1: This is where I will push back because I feel
Speaker 1: like there is always a consistent amount of blame and
Speaker 1: finger pointing that Democrats and liberals do that I actually
Speaker 1: think this time around is unwarranted. And I'm fine to
Speaker 1: stand on that, and people can tell me that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: But the fact is that in the three months that
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and Tim Walls had to create a campaign
Speaker 1: and revive the Democratic Party that had lulled itself into
Speaker 1: a place of despair around Joe Biden and complacency of like,
Speaker 1: well this is what we have. Myself be included in
Speaker 1: that that did not know even want to imagine having
Speaker 1: a new candidate because I was just like, it's just
Speaker 1: not going to work. I know, America. And the fact
Speaker 1: is is that they did incredible work and brought together
Speaker 1: so many different factions of the Democratic Party that had
Speaker 1: not been excited or interested or engaged in the last
Speaker 1: four years. And so we also have to understand the
Speaker 1: timeline that we were working on and like what was
Speaker 1: at stake, and that Donald Trump and Republicans were able
Speaker 1: to have a consistent message over the last four years,
Speaker 1: with a consistent leader over the last four years that
Speaker 1: didn't detract from the escalator in twenty fifteen. And so
Speaker 1: that's not the same space that Democrats have been in.
Speaker 1: And what pisses me off constantly is all of these
Speaker 1: fucking establishment people that want to do the finger pointing,
Speaker 1: that want to say, don't ever put up a person
Speaker 1: of color again, don't ever put up a woman, don't
Speaker 1: ever do this, and not get to the root of
Speaker 1: the root, which is that if white supremacy didn't have
Speaker 1: the value that it had for people, then they wouldn't
Speaker 1: kill themselves to associate with it. And so you can't
Speaker 1: just have these large bullshit conversations with out actually getting
Speaker 1: to the education of the route.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just be clear, I'm not blaming the Harris campaign,
Speaker 2: I think for a thing.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not you. I'm talking about I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Big d DEM. I'm talking about all of the headlines.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you specifically.
Speaker 2: But I will say that I you know, I blame
Speaker 2: Biden for not stepping down a year earlier and not
Speaker 2: having an actual debate in the Democratic Party and not
Speaker 2: having a primary. I think just having a three month
Speaker 2: campaign it played into the idea that this was anointed,
Speaker 2: that it was predetermined, that it was kind of that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So I think she was handed. She
Speaker 2: did an incredible job with a really rough hand, and
Speaker 2: the energy and the organization were pretty incredible given all that,
Speaker 2: and the election actually turned out to be a lot
Speaker 2: closer than the social media would lead you to believe.
Speaker 2: So I think in all those cases that's true. But
Speaker 2: I think ultimately, as you and I talked about, the
Speaker 2: election came down to like a number of swing state
Speaker 2: voters in a number of swing states, And in that regard,
Speaker 2: I do stand by kind of what I was saying
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago when we talked, which is
Speaker 2: it wasn't just about the candidate. It wasn't even about
Speaker 2: the identity issues. I don't use the term white supremacy.
Speaker 2: I don't even use it in Dying of Whiteness because
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a useful way to like get
Speaker 2: people to come over to our side. People get very defensive,
Speaker 2: I think for me in my research, so I don't
Speaker 2: use that, But I will say that my point always
Speaker 2: is that the frameworks we use, which are always like
Speaker 2: basically people hear it as more government and less entrepreneurialism.
Speaker 2: And so remember when Kris first gave her convention speech,
Speaker 2: and you and I talked, and I said, I thought
Speaker 2: she should have been like more openly pro business and
Speaker 2: more like libertarian sounding or something like that. It's actually
Speaker 2: the frameworks through which we automatically say we're going to
Speaker 2: have more government, or like for guns, it's automatically gun
Speaker 2: safety means more regulations. I think those frameworks are going
Speaker 2: to have it's just always going to be you're always
Speaker 2: going to lose to a guy like Trump who's saying
Speaker 2: more freedom and more entrepreneurialism can be rich like me.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know if you remember this, but
Speaker 2: right after her convention speech, which was great. I said,
Speaker 2: I wish she would have nodded to entrepreneurialism, not to
Speaker 2: say government is going to give small grants and things
Speaker 2: like that to small businesses, but to say, this is
Speaker 2: a land where we all want to get rich and
Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff. And so I just
Speaker 2: think the frameworks we use are just at a disadvantage.
Speaker 2: And we're seeing this in many other places too, where
Speaker 2: people on one hand are electing authoritarians who are going
Speaker 2: to really ramp up the government. But the liberal framing
Speaker 2: of the role of government I think is going to
Speaker 2: put many candidates at a disadvantage. And the question for
Speaker 2: me is like, who could have overcome that? Who could
Speaker 2: have helped?
Speaker 1: You know one I'm going to And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that I want people to like wrap their head around,
Speaker 1: is that there wasn't some fictitious savior that was going
Speaker 1: to come in and be able to do better than
Speaker 1: what Kamala Harris did. There was no white man, the
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom or Prickser or whoever it was, that was
Speaker 1: going to come in and be able because there would
Speaker 1: still have been factions of the Democratic Party that would
Speaker 1: have been like, this is not my candidate, this is
Speaker 1: not who I want. There has been a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of misinformation and disinformation and lies and the inability of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party to break out and figure out like,
Speaker 1: how are we moving against the Musk machine, how are
Speaker 1: we moving against this spurt of disinformation, and recognizing that
Speaker 1: when the Latino population, for instance, watched the Madison Square
Speaker 1: Garden event and they're trashing Puerto Rico and blah blah,
Speaker 1: instead of people aligning themselves with those that were going
Speaker 1: to be oppressed, they said, I'm not Puerto rican so
Speaker 1: he's not talking about me in the same way that
Speaker 1: folks are just like, oh, my family's not going to
Speaker 1: be deported because we're not criminals, so will be okay.
Speaker 1: It's this idea of really of separating from rather than
Speaker 1: building of community with like minded people and realizing that
Speaker 1: actually we don't have the same values. That is fundamentally
Speaker 1: what has been really hard for me over the last
Speaker 1: two weeks is that we've always, through you know, Disney
Speaker 1: and Hollywood and all of these things, been primed and
Speaker 1: fed this idea that like good will win out, that
Speaker 1: like hope will always beat out evil. And so now
Speaker 1: when you're sitting back, and you're just like, oh, evil one.
Speaker 1: Even if the margin is the smallest margin by which
Speaker 1: a president has won an election in modern times, which
Speaker 1: is the truth of where we are, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because it's still one and that in and of itself
Speaker 1: is suppressing people's ability to feel like they have the
Speaker 1: energy to fight another day. So my question for you is,
Speaker 1: we are a depressed people right now. Fifty percent of
Speaker 1: the population feels absolutely exhausted and beaten down and oppressed.
Speaker 1: And and guess what, Donald Trump hasn't actually picked up
Speaker 1: the baton yet and started anything. What do you say
Speaker 1: to people who right now are just like I'm tapping out,
Speaker 1: I'm done, Like he's going to do his worst, and
Speaker 1: let him do his worst, and like everybody's going to
Speaker 1: be hurt and caught up in it. Some will get
Speaker 1: it worse than others, just like I keep a look
Speaker 1: at using the framework of COVID, that COVID hurt everybody,
Speaker 1: but it hurt more vulnerable communities more. So what do
Speaker 1: you say to those people? Jonathan?
Speaker 2: Part of what I saw when I was researching Dyanga Whiteness,
Speaker 2: Tennessee is a state with a history of centrism Tennessee
Speaker 2: created ten Care, which was the template for the Affordable
Speaker 2: Care Act. Tennessee had Al Gore as the Senator for
Speaker 2: a long time. Tennessee had all these innovations and infrastructure,
Speaker 2: and then he wasn't just like implicit bias or explicit bias.
Speaker 2: It's that they started taking away resources and making people
Speaker 2: fight for resources, and all of a sudden, people became
Speaker 2: incredibly tribal, and I mean everybody became really tribal. And
Speaker 2: then it played out and then people were fed these
Speaker 2: lines that were related to history. Some people were incredibly biased,
Speaker 2: and other people just all of a sudden, we're in
Speaker 2: a competitive scenario where you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the neuroscience exhibit with like ten rats and ten pieces
Speaker 2: of cheese, and the rats all get along and ten
Speaker 2: rats and two pieces of cheese and they all start
Speaker 2: attacking each other. And so austerity politics, when you start
Speaker 2: to take away money and resources and infrastructure and give
Speaker 2: it to oligarchs, all of a sudden, people turn on
Speaker 2: each other in incredibly tribal ways. That's what's happened in Russia.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden people are afraid and not just money, resources,
Speaker 2: but opportunities jobs, government sanctions, your driver's license, all those
Speaker 2: kind of things, so those all become levers in a
Speaker 2: certain kind of way. And so I saw it happen
Speaker 2: in Tennessee, where I've really honestly of kind of centrist
Speaker 2: red state. All of a sudden, everybody started worrying about, oh,
Speaker 2: other people are out for my stuff because there was
Speaker 2: less stuff. And I think that's in a way a
Speaker 2: lesson we should be studying really closely right now. Is
Speaker 2: because we are going to take away a lot of
Speaker 2: money and give it to people like Elon Musk. Right now,
Speaker 2: all these cuts to government are going to be cutting
Speaker 2: away social programs to empower a bunch of other people.
Speaker 2: And so the question is, like we need to be
Speaker 2: looking to kind of alliance building in the era of
Speaker 2: I mean, like I find Hong Kong very terrifying right now,
Speaker 2: for example, because like a strong pro democracy protest movement
Speaker 2: is now being basically incarcerated out of existence. And so
Speaker 2: I think we need to look to places where people
Speaker 2: have maintained alliance and the face of this kind of thing,
Speaker 2: because the flip side is people just start turning on
Speaker 2: their neighbors honestly, which is the you know, kind of
Speaker 2: what the system wants. And so I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: we need to look to resistance in other places like
Speaker 2: Iran for example, how people have maintained or other places
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's right. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I continue to offer with
Speaker 1: this show and telling people that right now, community building
Speaker 1: in real life is one of the most important things
Speaker 1: that you can do, because I think that you are
Speaker 1: going to need community and real people in real life
Speaker 1: to remind you and to connect with that we still
Speaker 1: have collective power. And the fact is is that sitting
Speaker 1: on you know, whether it's sitting in the sewer of X.
Speaker 1: And it's not to say that like, oh there is
Speaker 1: a good billionaire, there's a good site. But it's just
Speaker 1: like when you know that something is bad, why am
Speaker 1: I still sitting in it? It doesn't mean that the
Speaker 1: next place is not going to get bad. Like we're
Speaker 1: basically social locusts, just trying to move from place to
Speaker 1: place to place, and then when those resources dwindle, we
Speaker 1: move on. And I think that people need each other
Speaker 1: now more than ever. Instead of turning away from we
Speaker 1: need to turn into And I also think too that
Speaker 1: the recognition of the rise of American oligarchs is something
Speaker 1: that people are aware of, and I think that what
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. And you know, you say, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they won't turn away from Donald Trump. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that a solid thirty and forty percent will never turn
Speaker 1: away from Donald Trump. But I think that as austerity
Speaker 1: begins to come in and people realize that their lives
Speaker 1: are much harder and their existence has become much harder,
Speaker 1: that they're going to start asking a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: I hope that's right. I just I think again, the
Speaker 2: frameworks through which we engage people has to I mean,
Speaker 2: just the simple math is that Democrats need to be
Speaker 2: much more competitive in red states and purple turning red
Speaker 2: states than they have been. And so I think that
Speaker 2: the paradigms through which we engage people have to change
Speaker 2: in a way. And so I think you're right. It's
Speaker 2: just the idea that people are going to see a
Speaker 2: bad thing and then they're going to convert over to
Speaker 2: our side. Given the framework of our side right now
Speaker 2: is one that we have to think really hard about.
Speaker 2: Because again, I've just seen in Tennessee that if one
Speaker 2: side is saying it's everybody else's fault. On the other
Speaker 2: side is saying, I mean we need to see our
Speaker 2: framework through which we engage people.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, I agree as always, my friend Jonathan, thank
Speaker 1: you so very much for your insight as we begin
Speaker 1: our journey into the dark ages. You remain a light.
Speaker 2: We have until January twenty seconds. Everybody, make sure to like,
Speaker 2: go to a lot of parties, have a ton of sex,
Speaker 2: do everything you have to do until you know. We
Speaker 2: have got another good couple weeks here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, take Jonathan Sport. That is it for me today.
Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke af AS always, power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and
Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.