Speaker 1: This is Maggie Freeling. Today we're revisiting an episode from
Speaker 1: season one that's very close to my heart. When I
Speaker 1: visited Hank Skinner last year at the Polunsky death Row
Speaker 1: unit in Livingston, Texas, I was nervous. Hank and I
Speaker 1: had been in touch for a few years, but only
Speaker 1: through letters. He was not permitted to use phones on
Speaker 1: death Row. We once had a tense exchange of letters
Speaker 1: when Hank misinterpreted something I said, and it kind of
Speaker 1: put me on edge talking to him. So I was
Speaker 1: super nervous to go down there. But as soon as
Speaker 1: Hank was brought out and sat down, he said to me,
Speaker 1: if I knew this is what you looked like, I
Speaker 1: would have been more open with you. And then we
Speaker 1: were both just at ease. And I think what he
Speaker 1: meant was because I look like him with tattoos and
Speaker 1: just jeans and a T shirt, that he felt like
Speaker 1: I was like him and not just a suit that
Speaker 1: was coming in to tell his story and then leave.
Speaker 1: So I left that interaction with Hank elated about meeting him,
Speaker 1: the trust we had built, and really hopeful for his future. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that would be the last time I spoke with Hank.
Speaker 1: Hank died this past February at the Prison Hospital in Galveston,
Speaker 1: with his wife, Sandrine at his side, and in the end,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the state that killed him, but complications following
Speaker 1: surgery for an aggressive brain tumor. And despite his illness,
Speaker 1: Hank staunchly continued to maintain his innocence and to fight
Speaker 1: for exoneration with the tireless help and support of Sandrine
Speaker 1: and his attorneys. Hank's dedication to the truth and the
Speaker 1: face of massive injustice has inspired us all, and so
Speaker 1: to honor his memory, we'd like to share his story
Speaker 1: with you again. On December thirty first, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: thirty one year old Hank Skinner was pregaming for a
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve party. He was with his girlfriend of
Speaker 1: seven months, forty one year old Twila Busby, and her
Speaker 1: two adult children, Scooter and Randy. Hank passed out before
Speaker 1: ten PM from a potent combination of vodka, codine, and xanax.
Speaker 1: Despite his condition, Twyla left for the party without him.
Speaker 1: When she returned, she was strangled and bludgeoned to death.
Speaker 1: Her two sons were stabbed to death. Hank was the
Speaker 1: sole survivor and was instantly the prime suspect, despite evidence
Speaker 1: that Hank was incapable of committing these murders and that
Speaker 1: another more probable person of interest exists. Hank has spent
Speaker 1: nearly thirty years on Texas death row awaiting execution.
Speaker 2: And they've tried to kill me five times, so I
Speaker 2: believe that they were serious about that.
Speaker 3: But I think with the evidence.
Speaker 2: We have now that there's no way they're going to
Speaker 2: have to let me go, and they're going to have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that I'm innocent. I don't see any other way.
Speaker 1: From love for good. This is roumful conviction with Maggie
Speaker 1: Freeling today. Hank Skinner. Hank Skinner was born on April fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. He's the oldest of four kids.
Speaker 3: I'm from Virginia, Okay.
Speaker 2: I was born in the foothills of the Blue Ridge
Speaker 2: Mountains in Franklin County, Virginia, which is the moonshine capital
Speaker 2: of the United States.
Speaker 1: His dad was part of the local industry. He was
Speaker 1: a foreign car mechanic as well as a moonshiner.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: He had three eight hundred gallons steam steels and fired
Speaker 2: on butane.
Speaker 3: He made the best sugar looker you've ever drank, and
Speaker 3: see moonshine.
Speaker 2: If it's made correctly, it's a lot better than store
Speaker 2: bought liquor. And so my dad's stuff burned clear, and
Speaker 2: I mean it was about one hundred and forty proof.
Speaker 2: You can just get a four ounce glass to do
Speaker 2: ice cubes and sip.
Speaker 3: On it off.
Speaker 4: So did you just grew up drinking moonshine?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 4: When was the first time you drank it?
Speaker 3: Six years old? I stole it from my dad.
Speaker 1: Growing up, Hank felt like he had the best parents
Speaker 1: in the world. He takes pride that he was named
Speaker 1: after his dad.
Speaker 2: I'm actually a junior, but when my dad passed, I
Speaker 2: took his name and so now I'm just Henry Skinner.
Speaker 3: Hank Skinner. Hank is a nickname for Henry.
Speaker 2: He loved Hank Williams Senior, and I love Hank Williams
Speaker 2: Junior and Hank the third.
Speaker 4: I love them all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, out the same way.
Speaker 1: Hank learned a lot from his dad.
Speaker 2: Like my dad, he taught me how to slaughter hogs
Speaker 2: and slaughter cattle.
Speaker 1: Worked for his dad too young. Hank was a skilled
Speaker 1: laborer and free spirit.
Speaker 2: We were just a bunch of wild, rambunctious kids having
Speaker 2: a good time. We had field cake parties and cow pastors.
Speaker 2: There was bikers up there everywhere. That's who I grew
Speaker 2: up with.
Speaker 1: But Hank also had a soft spot for the female
Speaker 1: role models in his life. Like his mom and grandma,
Speaker 1: Hank grew up learning a lot from them, including how
Speaker 1: to respect women.
Speaker 2: If you want to find out anything in life that
Speaker 2: really means something, find out from a woman. They know
Speaker 2: how to do everything, and so I can sew, I
Speaker 2: can alter clothes. I used to make dresses for my
Speaker 2: little sister on my mama sewing machine. I made quilts.
Speaker 2: I know how to do everything. I know how to
Speaker 2: can vegetables, you know, out of the garden. We used
Speaker 2: to do this every year. Where the women aren't the shit.
Speaker 2: That's all there is to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Hank also learned a lot about women after he married
Speaker 1: quite young.
Speaker 2: I was nineteen, My wife was sixteen, and we had
Speaker 2: just gotten married because she was already pregnant.
Speaker 3: I had a daughter, Natalie Joe. I was so in
Speaker 3: love with her when she was born.
Speaker 1: Natalie Joe was the light of Hank's life, but Hank's
Speaker 1: marriage to Natalie, Joe's mother was another story. He and
Speaker 1: his wife struggled to get along. According to Hank, she
Speaker 1: had substance abuse issues.
Speaker 2: She was strung out on cocaine. Well, he had a
Speaker 2: big argument to fight going on all the time.
Speaker 3: And so my daughter stayed with her mother.
Speaker 2: That was the only thing that was acceptable to her.
Speaker 2: My mama wanted her, but she wouldn't let my mama
Speaker 2: have her.
Speaker 3: And so my.
Speaker 2: Wife was doing crazy things when we divorce, so I
Speaker 2: just said, fuck this, I'm done.
Speaker 3: I left and I went first to Georgia.
Speaker 1: There in Georgia, Hank worked at a casino who's high
Speaker 1: earning customers were key or two by women.
Speaker 2: And these are gamblers and they're high rollers, and so
Speaker 2: they want woman on their arm.
Speaker 1: You know, Hank took it upon himself to look out
Speaker 1: for these.
Speaker 2: Women if they get two hands yet, like you know,
Speaker 2: I'm the guy who steps in and tells them now, no, no,
Speaker 2: you know it can't.
Speaker 3: Be doing that.
Speaker 2: And so have you ever seen that movie Roadhouse with
Speaker 2: Patrick Swayze, Because that's what I did.
Speaker 3: I was a cooler just like he was in that movie,
Speaker 3: but not.
Speaker 2: In a bar in the gambling establishment, And so I
Speaker 2: lived in an old, old ramshackle rooming house that had
Speaker 2: three stories and had big stucco porch on the top.
Speaker 3: And so I could sit up there and drink beer
Speaker 3: and smoke weed and watch all the cars go by
Speaker 3: and holler at the girls. I was the rooster of
Speaker 3: the hymn house.
Speaker 1: I had it all in his mind. Hank was living
Speaker 1: the life.
Speaker 4: So how'd you wind up in Texas?
Speaker 2: So when I came out here, I came out here
Speaker 2: because I wanted to break out in the oil field,
Speaker 2: because I heard about the oil field.
Speaker 3: It was a good place to make money. I did.
Speaker 3: I made a lot of money out here. I ended
Speaker 3: up moving to Papa. That's an old filled town.
Speaker 1: And Pampa Hank found kindred spirits in the lifestyle he enjoyed,
Speaker 1: but soon he was charged and convicted for unauthorized use
Speaker 1: of a motor vehicle and was on parole. He started
Speaker 1: going to AA as part of his parole, and that's
Speaker 1: where he met Tila Busby.
Speaker 2: These two guys were picking on her, and so I
Speaker 2: dried up her tears and I talked to her and
Speaker 2: got her all right.
Speaker 3: She was just they were just drilling. I mean, the
Speaker 3: way they were, mister.
Speaker 4: What were they on her for?
Speaker 2: She's a whore, She's a sorry bitch. She drank you know,
Speaker 2: she ain't never go sober up.
Speaker 3: It was just horrible. So anyway, I ended up giving
Speaker 3: her a ride home.
Speaker 1: On the way, Hank asked if she wanted to stop
Speaker 1: for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: And we sat down and started talking, and it was like,
Speaker 2: just like instantly we'd been together for fifty years.
Speaker 3: I mean, she was so easy to talk to.
Speaker 2: And she told me, she said, I have never met
Speaker 2: anybody like you in my life.
Speaker 3: What are you some kind of magician? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: why do you say that? She said, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But since I sit down and.
Speaker 2: You started talking to you, I just started feeling some
Speaker 2: kind of way.
Speaker 1: Twila and Hank started spending all their time together.
Speaker 3: Twila and I were soulmates.
Speaker 2: We could just look at each other and know whatether
Speaker 2: was thinking and what to say, you know, And whenever
Speaker 2: we went to another people's house, she always said in
Speaker 2: my loud people said we were like two high school kids.
Speaker 3: That we were so in love.
Speaker 4: Well, she was a lot older.
Speaker 3: Than you, right, ten years. That's not a lot.
Speaker 1: Twila had two sons, Elwyn, who went by Scooter, was
Speaker 1: twenty two and Randy was twenty, and Hank took on
Speaker 1: the young men as his own. The three of them
Speaker 1: had even worked together in a landscaping business. Hank had
Speaker 1: a previous hand injury that left his right dominant hand
Speaker 1: virtually useless, so the boys were a big help.
Speaker 2: So I laid out the plans and showed them what
Speaker 2: to do and how to do it, and they did
Speaker 2: all the manual labor and we made good money.
Speaker 1: Everything was going great for Twila and Hank until seven
Speaker 1: months into their relationship New Year's Eve, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: when it all came crashing down. This episode is underwritten
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Speaker 1: ninety three, Hank, Twila, and Twyla's sons were all at
Speaker 1: home preparing for their evening celebration. Although it could be
Speaker 1: a dangerous combination. Hank took some xanax and drank the
Speaker 1: better part of a fifth of vodka, and then he
Speaker 1: accidentally started sipping Twila's drink, not realizing that she had
Speaker 1: spiked it with codeine.
Speaker 2: That in class looked the same as mine, and I
Speaker 2: grabbed it and drank from it, and I.
Speaker 3: Had no idea what was in.
Speaker 1: Hank wound up passing out that night from the combination
Speaker 1: of substances. He also says he's allergic to codeine.
Speaker 2: It makes me sick, it gives me pardigo. I can't
Speaker 2: stand up, it makes me very lethargic. I lose my balance,
Speaker 2: I can't talk well. It feels like my throat is constricting,
Speaker 2: like my wombs are full of cotton.
Speaker 3: I can't get a deep breath.
Speaker 4: Do you remember feeling any of that? Were you already
Speaker 4: really drunk?
Speaker 3: I remember feeling all of that before I passed out.
Speaker 1: Around ten fifteen PM, Hank and Twyla's friend, Howard Mitchell,
Speaker 1: came to pick them up to drive them to attend
Speaker 1: his New Year's Eve party. When Howard arrived, he found
Speaker 1: Hank in a practically comatose steam. He tried to rouse
Speaker 1: his friend but got no reaction. According to Howard, Hank
Speaker 1: was out cold, so he and Twila left for the
Speaker 1: party without Hank.
Speaker 4: So but nobody called nine one one to make sure
Speaker 4: you're okay.
Speaker 2: We're all a bunch of partiers. Everybody passes out. How
Speaker 2: many times a year been no party? And that's three
Speaker 2: or four? Motherfucker land. I learned the corners, and I've
Speaker 2: been passed out before.
Speaker 3: But not like that.
Speaker 1: At the party, Twyla encountered her uncle, Robert Dennell. He
Speaker 1: was incredibly drunk, following Twila around and making sexual advances.
Speaker 1: They had previously had a sexual relationship, although Twila's consent
Speaker 1: to the relationship was questionable. She had allegedly told people
Speaker 1: her uncle had raped her more than once. Twila got
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and Howard took her home. They arrived back sometime
Speaker 1: between eleven and eleven fifteen. After that, what happened is
Speaker 1: not totally clear, but here's how Hank remembers it. Sometime
Speaker 1: that night, Hank says he was shaken awake by Scooter.
Speaker 3: When I first woke up, I couldn't. I couldn't. I
Speaker 3: couldn't see where the fuck I was at. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's his hor I couldn't think in words,
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing blood all over the walls, but I
Speaker 2: didn't recognize it as well. I'm thinking, what in the
Speaker 2: fuck that people slinging all over this living room? And
Speaker 2: so he got me up and he gave me my
Speaker 2: pants and he told me put them on.
Speaker 3: We got to get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: And he was already interested.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Scooter had been stabbed in the chest and stomach area,
Speaker 1: but he was still managing to move around and was
Speaker 1: trying to save both of their lives.
Speaker 2: He said, we got to get out of your hank.
Speaker 2: They're coming back, and I'm thinking, who's coming back?
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4: You remember him saying they were coming back?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and he was saying it in a high
Speaker 2: screamed voice.
Speaker 3: That's one of the things I remember.
Speaker 1: Scooter was a big guy, six foot six and about
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five pounds, and despite his injuries,
Speaker 1: he was able to lift hank up and help him out.
Speaker 4: Was anything registering at this point.
Speaker 3: Now feeling whatever has happened is bad. This is bad.
Speaker 3: We have got to get the fluck out of here.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't thinking any words. I was just thinking
Speaker 3: any emotions.
Speaker 1: Still unsteading on his feet, Hank started looking around.
Speaker 2: But when I did, I lost my balance and fell
Speaker 2: face forward on the floor. And so I remember looking
Speaker 2: across the floor, got up on my elbows trying to
Speaker 2: get up, and I couldn't do it. And I remember
Speaker 2: looking across the floor and I could see my girlfriend,
Speaker 2: and all I could see was a mass of her
Speaker 2: hair and a blood black tinting the edges of everything,
Speaker 2: and everything was looking alternately red and green, but her
Speaker 2: face was gone.
Speaker 1: Twila had been strangled and bludging to death. Someone had
Speaker 1: hit her fourteen times in the head with the handle
Speaker 1: of a pickaxe. When she was found, her pants were
Speaker 1: unzipped and her shirt was lifted up. As Hank was
Speaker 1: still trying to absorb everything, Scooter was pulling him to
Speaker 1: go check on his younger brother, Randy.
Speaker 2: And so we get in the bedroom and he leans
Speaker 2: me against the dresser so we can see about his brother.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't even stand up, even holding on with
Speaker 2: the dresser, and I fell in the floor.
Speaker 3: And this is something I remember. I don't remember falling.
Speaker 2: I don't remember trying to get up, but I remember
Speaker 2: looking up at him, and he's looking at his brother,
Speaker 2: and he's got this horribly sad expression on his face,
Speaker 2: and so I know he's dead.
Speaker 1: Randy had been stabbed in the heart through his back
Speaker 1: while he was asleep. He had died on the top
Speaker 1: level of the bunk bed he shared with Scooter.
Speaker 3: That's when I realized my hand was cut.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know how it had gotten cut, but
Speaker 2: I had a vague memory of somebody standing over top
Speaker 2: of me with a knife and I threw my hands
Speaker 2: up and they cut my hand.
Speaker 3: And it was burning. And so I didn't know if
Speaker 3: that really happened to her, if I was just dreaming it.
Speaker 1: Hank wasn't dreaming that his hand was cut. That was real.
Speaker 1: He and Scooter moved through the house trying to escape,
Speaker 1: but they were bleeding everywhere, and.
Speaker 2: So we got out in the backyard and we went
Speaker 2: through the gate, and I didn't know where we were going,
Speaker 2: but we had to get the fuck out of there.
Speaker 2: That's all I knew, and so I fell in the
Speaker 2: alley and he told me, Hank, I can't keep picking
Speaker 2: you up. And I said, don't worry about me, just
Speaker 2: go go get help, Go get help. And so I
Speaker 2: remember seeing him walk off towards the street light through
Speaker 2: the alley.
Speaker 1: Hank passed out again, so he didn't know that Scooter
Speaker 1: had made it to the neighbor's porch, where he finally
Speaker 1: succumbed to his wounds and collapsed. A neighbor found Scooter
Speaker 1: and called nine one one, and he was immediately brought
Speaker 1: to the hospital. There at twelve forty five am, Scooter died.
Speaker 1: When the police showed up and found out where Scooter lived,
Speaker 1: they immediately went to the house. When they arrived, they
Speaker 1: found a massacre. There was a trail of blood from
Speaker 1: the fence to the front porch. The front storm door
Speaker 1: was smeared with blood. Once inside, police found multiple bloody
Speaker 1: handprints on doors and doorknobs in the bedroom, kitchen, utility room,
Speaker 1: and on the door leading out to the backyard, along
Speaker 1: with bloody handprints and blood smeared throughout the house. Police
Speaker 1: also found a black plastic trash bag containing a wet,
Speaker 1: brown stained towel and a knife. They found the bloody
Speaker 1: pickaxe handle used to bludge in Twila, as well as
Speaker 1: a knife that was on the porch. They also found
Speaker 1: a man's windbreaker, and of course, the bodies of Twila
Speaker 1: and Randy. Almost immediately the police started looking for Hank
Speaker 1: the living boyfriend. They found him at Andrea Joyce Reid's house,
Speaker 1: where Hank had gone for help after he came to consciousness.
Speaker 1: Andrea was a neighbor and she was also Hank's ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Hank became the prime suspect.
Speaker 5: The reason he was accused of the crime, I think
Speaker 5: is because in fact, he was the only survivor from
Speaker 5: the scene, which was both very lucky because the assailant
Speaker 5: didn't kill Hank, but it's also very unlucky because it
Speaker 5: meant all the fingers were immediately pointed at him.
Speaker 1: This is Rob Owen.
Speaker 5: I'm a lawyer. I live in Chicago. For many years
Speaker 5: I practiced in Texas doing mostly death penalty cases, and
Speaker 5: during that time was when I became one of the
Speaker 5: members of Hank Skinner's defense team. The police assumed that
Speaker 5: this was an open and shot case. They assumed that
Speaker 5: he had to be the killer he had some of
Speaker 5: the blood of Twila Busby and the other victims on
Speaker 5: his clothing, for example.
Speaker 1: And Hank says the blood very likely came from touching
Speaker 1: Twila to see if she was okay.
Speaker 5: I think that was all. It was very easy for
Speaker 5: the cops to assume that they had the right guy.
Speaker 1: Hank was taken to the police station and booked, but
Speaker 1: he was still so messed up from the alcohol and
Speaker 1: codine that he couldn't even stand on his own while
Speaker 1: his photograph was taken. The police had to hold him up.
Speaker 1: He was eventually taken to the hospital. Hank's cut hand
Speaker 1: was treated and he voluntarily gave blood samples. Results of
Speaker 1: those samples were used to calculate Hank's blood alcohol levels
Speaker 1: at the approximate time of the murders. They showed that
Speaker 1: at the time, Hank's blood alcohol content was almost three
Speaker 1: times the drunk driving standard and his coding level was
Speaker 1: two and a half times the recommended dose. And so
Speaker 1: this is Hank's alibi.
Speaker 5: Hank couldn't have committed this murder or these murders because
Speaker 5: he was simply physically incapable at the time of carrying
Speaker 5: them out.
Speaker 1: Remember, Hank was virtually comatose when Howard came to pick
Speaker 1: him up for the party, and Twila came home from
Speaker 1: that party only about an hour later. Hank couldn't have
Speaker 1: possibly sobered up by the time the murders transpired.
Speaker 5: Hank could only have been able to sort of at
Speaker 5: most stand and stagger like That would have been about
Speaker 5: the sum of his physical ability based on the volume
Speaker 5: of alcohol and codeine in his bloodstream.
Speaker 1: Police searched the house for ten days without a warrant,
Speaker 1: but they failed to collect key evidence, including non bloody
Speaker 1: finger and handprints. Vaginal swabs were taken from Twila, and
Speaker 1: despite one detective urging him to do so, Gary Stallings,
Speaker 1: the criminalist who was leading the forensics team, did not
Speaker 1: believe Twila was raped and did not have the swabs tested.
Speaker 1: None of the evidence directly linked Hank to the crime. Yes,
Speaker 1: his bloody handprints were there, but he also lived in
Speaker 1: the house and says he was attacked. There was also
Speaker 1: DNA and at least one handprint that was not Hank's, Twila's,
Speaker 1: scooters or Randy's, But despite all of that, Hank was
Speaker 1: prosecuted for the murders. His trial began a little over
Speaker 1: a year later, in March nineteen ninety five, he faced
Speaker 1: the death penalty. District Attorney John Mann was the prosecutor
Speaker 1: in the case. At trial, Man arrested his argument on
Speaker 1: two key testimonies, that of state witnesses Howard Mitchell and
Speaker 1: Andrea Joyce Reid. No actual forensics linking Hank to the
Speaker 1: crime were presented at trial. In fact, Stalling's the criminalist,
Speaker 1: conceded that just because the evidence proved Hank was there
Speaker 1: at the house does not identify him as the murderer.
Speaker 1: Howard Mitchell testified for the state and said that Hank
Speaker 1: was completely comatose when he arrived to take them to
Speaker 1: his party. But he also said that when Ryla's uncle,
Speaker 1: Robert Dennell was harassing her at his house, Howard took
Speaker 1: her home and that they shared a friendly kiss on
Speaker 1: the porch. Man used Howard's testimony to argue that Hank
Speaker 1: killed Twila, Scooter and Randy in a jealous rage. Andrea
Speaker 1: Joyce Reid, Hank's sex girlfriend and neighbor, also testified, but.
Speaker 5: She came in and said, well, when he got to
Speaker 5: my house on the night of the crime, he was
Speaker 5: behaving in ways that didn't seem that messed up. He
Speaker 5: was obviously intoxicated, but he was able to walk into
Speaker 5: the house under his own steam. He was able to
Speaker 5: take off his shirt. He was able to stitch up
Speaker 5: the severe cut that he had sustained on one hand
Speaker 5: using thread and needles that Andrea Reid provided him.
Speaker 1: Her testimony was a blow for the defense. Harold Comer,
Speaker 1: who happened to be a former prosecutor, was Hank's court
Speaker 1: appointed defense attorney. Comer argued that Hank survived the attacks
Speaker 1: because the perpetrator didn't perceive him as a threat in
Speaker 1: his condition. Also argued that Hank's pre existing injury had
Speaker 1: left his right hand with nerve and tissue damage. He
Speaker 1: did not have the strength to carry out these brutal murders.
Speaker 1: William T. Lowry, a forensic toxicologist for the defense, also
Speaker 1: said that it was quote highly improbable that Hank could
Speaker 1: have committed the murders based on how intoxicated he was.
Speaker 1: In a later afi David he added to his argument.
Speaker 1: He said, quote, mister Skinner at best would have been
Speaker 1: in a stuporous state, barely able to stand without assistance,
Speaker 1: and completely without the physical coordination or mental acuity. Required
Speaker 1: to commit these murders by strangulation, beating, and stabbing end quote.
Speaker 1: According to doctor Lowry, Hank was likely exerting whatever strength
Speaker 1: and energy he had just to stand up and walk.
Speaker 1: Based on Hank's bloody handprints around the walls of the
Speaker 1: house and his inability to stand for a photo at
Speaker 1: the police station, this was likely the case. Hank's defense
Speaker 1: attorney also presented Twyla's called Robert Dannell as an alternate suspect,
Speaker 1: but he failed to make a strong case of reasonable
Speaker 1: doubt for Hank, and on March eighteenth, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: the jury deliberated for only two and a half hours
Speaker 1: before finding Hank guilty. Five days later, they handed him
Speaker 1: a death sentence.
Speaker 2: And I just can't believe they're done this to me
Speaker 2: because I'm innocent and they know they knew I was
Speaker 2: innocent before they arrested me.
Speaker 6: The fact that a country in the Western world still
Speaker 6: executed citizens is beyond shocking.
Speaker 1: This is sindury a George Skinner.
Speaker 6: I am French, spending half my time in Texas and
Speaker 6: half most time in France.
Speaker 1: And Hank have been married since two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and Hank is anxious to get out of prison so
Speaker 1: they can be together because of the pandemic. They hadn't
Speaker 1: seen or heard each other for almost three years until recently.
Speaker 1: So for three years, you guys have just been writing letters.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1: How did you hear about Hank? And you know you're
Speaker 1: in France? What interested you? And somebody in Houston, Texas?
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: I had a friend in France who was a young
Speaker 6: lawyer and he wrote his thesis on the death penalty
Speaker 6: in Texas and he sent me a copy. I read
Speaker 6: it and I just had off my chair. I couldn't
Speaker 6: believe that the legal system in the US was so
Speaker 6: poor and so flawed. And he told me at the
Speaker 6: time about an organization that was set up and run
Speaker 6: by the death row prisoners in Texas and they had
Speaker 6: a sort of a trimestral newsletter. And he said, you know,
Speaker 6: if you want to translate it in French, could distribute
Speaker 6: in France and get people, you know, a bit more
Speaker 6: aware about what's going on there. And so I did
Speaker 6: a couple of times, and he said, well, she want
Speaker 6: to correspond with people there. I'm thinking of three guys
Speaker 6: I'm sure you'll get along with and Hank was one
Speaker 6: of those three guys. That's how we started writing in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Six Saintdrin's as. They corresponded for about four years before
Speaker 1: she went to visit Hank on death Row, a place
Speaker 1: where prisoners are confined in cells alone and do everything alone.
Speaker 1: When she met Hank on death Row, that's when she
Speaker 1: felt he was more than just a pen pal.
Speaker 6: And you know, he's very smart, he's very funny, he's
Speaker 6: very strong, as you can imagine with what he's been through.
Speaker 6: And we just clicked instantly, even at a distance and
Speaker 6: in writing, and we clicked even more when we met.
Speaker 1: In what ways? I mean you might think, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd see our worlds apart literally, I mean you're we
Speaker 1: are a woman in France and he's a man on
Speaker 1: death row.
Speaker 6: Totally different culture, different background. Well yeah, you know, kindred spirits.
Speaker 6: I guess, no, no borders.
Speaker 1: So you guys have never been able to be intimate
Speaker 1: in any kind of way. You've never even touched his hand?
Speaker 6: No, never?
Speaker 1: What is that like?
Speaker 6: It's well, I'm not a masochist, but honestly, it is
Speaker 6: a torture. It is a torture. It really is a
Speaker 6: torture because you look sometimes, you know, when you even
Speaker 6: with your friends. I mean, I don't know here in
Speaker 6: the US, but in front, we are very felly, touchy,
Speaker 6: We need to be close. We kiss, we hug, so
Speaker 6: you know someone's sent their skin, you know, you know
Speaker 6: a lot of things. So basically our sensorial memories of
Speaker 6: each other's are the sound of our voices and our
Speaker 6: eyes and the look in our eyes. And not knowing
Speaker 6: his skin, not being able to comfort him is very,
Speaker 6: very hard.
Speaker 1: Through the years, Sandrine has flown back and forth between
Speaker 1: France and Houston to visit Hank on death row. Although
Speaker 1: she was not originally involved in Hank's innocence claim, Sandrine
Speaker 1: eventually became convinced of his innocence.
Speaker 6: And I read tons and tons of paperwork, and to
Speaker 6: me it was obvious, I mean physically, scientifically, for a
Speaker 6: number of reasons, it was very clear that he was innocent.
Speaker 1: And indeed, the one key witness that Hank's fate rested on,
Speaker 1: Andrea Jorce Reid, recanted her statement. Here's Robowen again.
Speaker 5: After Hank was convicted and sent to death row, Andrea
Speaker 5: Reid contacted Hank's lawyers and said that testimony wasn't true.
Speaker 5: I was really afraid because I thought I was likely
Speaker 5: to be accused of being some sort of accomplice or
Speaker 5: having assisted Hank in some way that would put me
Speaker 5: into legal jeopardy. She was at the time trying to
Speaker 5: gain custody of a child, and she thought that that
Speaker 5: would certainly be unlikely if the authorities were angry at
Speaker 5: her or believed she had some role in this crime.
Speaker 5: So she essentially went to trial and exaggerated systemically and
Speaker 5: repeatedly the things that Hank was able to do. What
Speaker 5: she said in her recantation was in fact, Hank was
Speaker 5: not able to get into the house on his own.
Speaker 5: She had to go outside basically drag him up the
Speaker 5: steps and into the house.
Speaker 1: But when she recanted, Prosecutor Man was not pleased.
Speaker 5: John Mann dragged Andrea Reid before a grand jury after
Speaker 5: she gave her affidavit recanting her trial testimony, and threatened
Speaker 5: to prosecute her for perjury if she persisted, And to
Speaker 5: her great credit, she did not back away from the recantation,
Speaker 5: and she said, I don't want false testimony on my conscience,
Speaker 5: and so I'm going to stick now telling the truth
Speaker 5: now about what the consequences for me personally are. But
Speaker 5: I think that says a lot about mister Mann that
Speaker 5: he was willing to threaten to prosecute her in order
Speaker 5: to keep her truth from coming out.
Speaker 1: Hank filed multiple appeals, one based on Andrew's recantation, but
Speaker 1: clearly none were sufficient for the court to free him.
Speaker 1: He was only met with execution dates. Sandrina and Hank
Speaker 1: kept up their relationship for nearly fifteen years before Hank
Speaker 1: got another execution date in March twenty ten. This time
Speaker 1: it was serious. He was transferred to one of the
Speaker 1: cells near the death chamber in Huntsville, Texas.
Speaker 2: They killed my first rand March the second. They killed
Speaker 2: my second Frand March the eleven. They were gonna kill
Speaker 2: me March twenty four or thirteen days later.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: What is that like? When you when you know you're
Speaker 4: going to die?
Speaker 2: It's indescribable. The last seven days you don't sleep at all.
Speaker 2: You're hyper vigilant. Your mind starts unrolling all of the
Speaker 2: things you've done in your life that you wish you
Speaker 2: hadn't done, the things you could have done better. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there looking at that gurney that They're fixing to
Speaker 2: put me on. I could see it through the door.
Speaker 2: They had the door open. I could see the microphone,
Speaker 2: I could see the straps, arm boards, and I was
Speaker 2: absolutely convinced I was fixing to die.
Speaker 3: I just knew that I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna die because the courtsey just give me the short shrift.
Speaker 3: Every time we had files, I was like, fuck you
Speaker 3: the fuck you died, and so I felt like that
Speaker 3: was it.
Speaker 4: Did you get a last meal?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did? What was it?
Speaker 2: Popeye's Fried chicken, a cheese burrow, a double cheeseburger.
Speaker 3: With onions and tomatoes, no lettuce, and.
Speaker 2: Uh chocolate pudding, chocolate cake, and a chocolate milkshake.
Speaker 3: And I ate every bit of it.
Speaker 1: Fortunately, Hank's execution was stayed by the US Supreme Court
Speaker 1: less than an hour before he was set to be killed. Today,
Speaker 1: Hank spends his time as a jailhouse attorney, helping other
Speaker 1: prisoners with the law and their cases. And although he's
Speaker 1: in solitary on death row, incarcerated people do have a
Speaker 1: right to provide legal help to one another, so that's
Speaker 1: really his only social interactions. Hank has maintained his innocence
Speaker 1: for nearly thirty years to this day, he believes he
Speaker 1: was framed by Twyla's uncle, Bob Donell, and at one
Speaker 1: of Hank's later hearings, Denell's longtime neighbor, Deborah Ellis, testified
Speaker 1: that she saw Denell in his yard a few days
Speaker 1: after the murders took place. He was giving a frenzied
Speaker 1: cleaning to his old beat up pickup truck, taking out
Speaker 1: the seeds, throwing away the carpet, and scrubbing the floorboards
Speaker 1: with an astringent cleaner. Ellis found his behavior strange because
Speaker 1: Robert reportedly rarely cleaned his truck. Hank's theory is that
Speaker 1: after Twyla left the party with Howard, Denell followed them home.
Speaker 1: When Howard Mitchell testified at trial, he said that when
Speaker 1: he returned to the party, Denell was gone. Hank thinks
Speaker 1: he left to confront Twila at home, and when he
Speaker 1: saw Hank passed out, he left him as the sole survivor,
Speaker 1: knowing how that would look. And if you remember, there
Speaker 1: was a men's windbreaker jacket that was taken as evidence,
Speaker 1: however it was never tested.
Speaker 5: Clearly has potential evidentiary value. It's got blood spatter on
Speaker 5: the sleeves, it's got sweatstains on the collar, it's got
Speaker 5: hairs on the interior lining.
Speaker 1: Over the years, Rob and Hank's team have tried to
Speaker 1: test all the evidence they could, but it.
Speaker 5: Was only once we got into court that the state
Speaker 5: came in and said, oh, well, we don't know what
Speaker 5: happened to the jacket. The jacket is lost. And it's
Speaker 5: also a little weird that it's the only piece of
Speaker 5: evidence that they say is lost. Right, they had all
Speaker 5: the other events of the scene. They've got the blood swabs,
Speaker 5: they got the knives, they've got fingernail clippings, they've got hairs,
Speaker 5: but somehow they managed to lose an object as large
Speaker 5: as a man's windbreaker jacket. So I'm not going to
Speaker 5: vouch for their claim to have lost this jacket. I
Speaker 5: think they should still be looking for this jacket.
Speaker 1: DNA testing that was able to be done on the
Speaker 1: items from the crime scene has been completed. None of
Speaker 1: the results have implicated Hank as the murderer. However, the
Speaker 1: courts ruled that even if the DNA testing and results
Speaker 1: had been available at the time of trial, it's not
Speaker 1: reasonably probable that the jury would have found him not guilty,
Speaker 1: meaning the judge who decided the verdict would have reached
Speaker 1: the same conclusion. Hank has appealed this to the Texas
Speaker 1: Highest Criminal Court. When I met with Hank at the
Speaker 1: Polanski death row unit, I asked him.
Speaker 4: Do you wish you were killed that night instead of
Speaker 4: winding up here?
Speaker 2: There have been times when I wished that, because, especially
Speaker 2: in the first days after this happened and I was
Speaker 2: in jail, ce by myself, it would have been so much.
Speaker 3: Better, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And uh, alright, I just could not believe that they
Speaker 2: were called. I mean, the three people I love most.
Speaker 3: In this world.
Speaker 2: Her sons were my best friends. We spent all our
Speaker 2: time together and so uh f t to wake up
Speaker 2: one morning and there it is all gone, and I,
Speaker 2: you know, survivor's guilt.
Speaker 3: I didn't do this. There's nothing in the world that
Speaker 3: could have made me do it.
Speaker 2: But I felt so responsible because I was the king
Speaker 2: of that castle, and instead of passed out the drunk
Speaker 2: on the fucking couch, I should have been awake and
Speaker 2: able to do something.
Speaker 4: H M, can you envisional life outside of here?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: What does that look like?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be with saying dream, do you think you'll
Speaker 2: go to France?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're gonna get out of here?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm out of this country. They let me
Speaker 2: out of here. I'm so out of here.
Speaker 3: It ain't fund you.
Speaker 4: Do you think you're gonna get out?
Speaker 2: Well, tax is crazy and they've tried to kill me
Speaker 2: five times, so I believe that they're very serious about that.
Speaker 3: But I think with the evidence we have now.
Speaker 2: That there's no way they're gonna have to let me go,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna have to acknowledge that I'm innocent.
Speaker 3: I don't any other way, you know.
Speaker 2: I think, after all I've suffered that I deserve a chance,
Speaker 2: I deserve to be with my wife.
Speaker 3: I deserve to have a life. I deserve to be
Speaker 3: released and get the hell out of here. And I
Speaker 3: won't out. I'm telling you something, you know.
Speaker 2: It was just so amazing to find love a second time,
Speaker 2: and I love her endlessly, man, And I mean, we
Speaker 2: are really truly so amazed.
Speaker 1: Hank was facing another execution date in September of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. At the time of his death, Hank, Sandrine
Speaker 1: and his team were still fiercely fighting for his innocence.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to make a donation in Hank's memory,
Speaker 1: Sandrine recommends the Texas After Violence Project. More information about
Speaker 1: this and about Hank's case can be found at the
Speaker 1: link in our bio. Thank you for listening to Wrongful
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Speaker 1: senior producer Annie Chelsea, researcher Lila Robinson, story editor Sonya Paul,
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