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Speaker 1: This is Maggie Freeling. Today we're revisiting an episode from

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Speaker 1: season one that's very close to my heart. When I

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Speaker 1: visited Hank Skinner last year at the Polunsky death Row

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Speaker 1: unit in Livingston, Texas, I was nervous. Hank and I

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Speaker 1: through letters. He was not permitted to use phones on

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Speaker 1: death Row. We once had a tense exchange of letters

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Speaker 1: when Hank misinterpreted something I said, and it kind of

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Speaker 1: put me on edge talking to him. So I was

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Speaker 1: if I knew this is what you looked like, I

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Speaker 1: were both just at ease. And I think what he

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Speaker 1: meant was because I look like him with tattoos and

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Speaker 1: just jeans and a T shirt, that he felt like

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Speaker 1: I was like him and not just a suit that

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Speaker 1: So I left that interaction with Hank elated about meeting him,

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Speaker 1: the trust we had built, and really hopeful for his future. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Hank died this past February at the Prison Hospital in Galveston,

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Speaker 1: with his wife, Sandrine at his side, and in the end,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the state that killed him, but complications following

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Speaker 1: surgery for an aggressive brain tumor. And despite his illness,

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Speaker 1: Hank staunchly continued to maintain his innocence and to fight

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Speaker 1: and his attorneys. Hank's dedication to the truth and the

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Speaker 1: face of massive injustice has inspired us all, and so

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Speaker 1: to honor his memory, we'd like to share his story

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Speaker 1: with you again. On December thirty first, nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: thirty one year old Hank Skinner was pregaming for a

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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve party. He was with his girlfriend of

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Speaker 1: seven months, forty one year old Twila Busby, and her

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Speaker 1: two adult children, Scooter and Randy. Hank passed out before

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Speaker 1: ten PM from a potent combination of vodka, codine, and xanax.

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Speaker 1: Despite his condition, Twyla left for the party without him.

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Speaker 1: When she returned, she was strangled and bludgeoned to death.

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Speaker 1: Her two sons were stabbed to death. Hank was the

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Speaker 1: that Hank was incapable of committing these murders and that

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Speaker 1: another more probable person of interest exists. Hank has spent

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Speaker 2: And they've tried to kill me five times, so I

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Speaker 3: But I think with the evidence.

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Speaker 2: We have now that there's no way they're going to

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Speaker 1: From love for good. This is roumful conviction with Maggie

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Speaker 1: Freeling today. Hank Skinner. Hank Skinner was born on April fourth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. He's the oldest of four kids.

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Speaker 3: I'm from Virginia, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I was born in the foothills of the Blue Ridge

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Speaker 1: His dad was part of the local industry. He was

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Speaker 1: a foreign car mechanic as well as a moonshiner.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 2: He had three eight hundred gallons steam steels and fired

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Speaker 3: He made the best sugar looker you've ever drank, and

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Speaker 2: If it's made correctly, it's a lot better than store

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Speaker 2: I mean it was about one hundred and forty proof.

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Speaker 3: On it off.

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Speaker 4: So did you just grew up drinking moonshine?

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Speaker 4: When was the first time you drank it?

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Speaker 3: Six years old? I stole it from my dad.

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Speaker 1: Growing up, Hank felt like he had the best parents

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Speaker 2: I'm actually a junior, but when my dad passed, I

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Speaker 3: Hank Skinner. Hank is a nickname for Henry.

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Speaker 2: He loved Hank Williams Senior, and I love Hank Williams

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Speaker 4: I love them all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, out the same way.

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Speaker 1: Hank learned a lot from his dad.

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Speaker 2: Like my dad, he taught me how to slaughter hogs

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Speaker 1: Worked for his dad too young. Hank was a skilled

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Speaker 2: We were just a bunch of wild, rambunctious kids having

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Speaker 1: But Hank also had a soft spot for the female

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Speaker 2: If you want to find out anything in life that

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Speaker 2: really means something, find out from a woman. They know

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Speaker 2: I know how to do everything. I know how to

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Speaker 2: That's all there is to it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Hank also learned a lot about women after he married

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Speaker 2: I was nineteen, My wife was sixteen, and we had

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Speaker 3: I had a daughter, Natalie Joe. I was so in

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Speaker 1: Natalie Joe was the light of Hank's life, but Hank's

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Speaker 2: She was strung out on cocaine. Well, he had a

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Speaker 2: That was the only thing that was acceptable to her.

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Speaker 2: My mama wanted her, but she wouldn't let my mama

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Speaker 3: And so my.

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Speaker 2: Wife was doing crazy things when we divorce, so I

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Speaker 3: I left and I went first to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: There in Georgia, Hank worked at a casino who's high

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Speaker 2: And these are gamblers and they're high rollers, and so

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Speaker 1: You know, Hank took it upon himself to look out

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Speaker 2: Women if they get two hands yet, like you know,

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Speaker 2: And so have you ever seen that movie Roadhouse with

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Speaker 3: I was a cooler just like he was in that movie,

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Speaker 2: In a bar in the gambling establishment, And so I

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Speaker 2: lived in an old, old ramshackle rooming house that had

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Speaker 3: And so I could sit up there and drink beer

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Speaker 1: I had it all in his mind. Hank was living

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Speaker 4: So how'd you wind up in Texas?

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Speaker 2: So when I came out here, I came out here

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Speaker 3: It was a good place to make money. I did.

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Speaker 3: I made a lot of money out here. I ended

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Speaker 1: And Pampa Hank found kindred spirits in the lifestyle he enjoyed,

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Speaker 2: These two guys were picking on her, and so I

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Speaker 3: She was just they were just drilling. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: What were they on her for?

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Speaker 2: She's a whore, She's a sorry bitch. She drank you know,

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Speaker 3: It was just horrible. So anyway, I ended up giving

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Speaker 1: On the way, Hank asked if she wanted to stop

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Speaker 2: And we sat down and started talking, and it was like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, she was so easy to talk to.

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Speaker 2: And she told me, she said, I have never met

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Speaker 3: What are you some kind of magician? And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: You started talking to you, I just started feeling some

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Speaker 1: Twila and Hank started spending all their time together.

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Speaker 3: Twila and I were soulmates.

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Speaker 2: We could just look at each other and know whatether

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Speaker 3: That we were so in love.

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Speaker 4: Well, she was a lot older.

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Speaker 3: Than you, right, ten years. That's not a lot.

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Speaker 1: Twila had two sons, Elwyn, who went by Scooter, was

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Speaker 1: had even worked together in a landscaping business. Hank had

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Speaker 2: So I laid out the plans and showed them what

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Speaker 1: Everything was going great for Twila and Hank until seven

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Speaker 1: months into their relationship New Year's Eve, nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: a dangerous combination. Hank took some xanax and drank the

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Speaker 1: spiked it with codeine.

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Speaker 2: That in class looked the same as mine, and I

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Speaker 3: Had no idea what was in.

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Speaker 1: Hank wound up passing out that night from the combination

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Speaker 1: of substances. He also says he's allergic to codeine.

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Speaker 3: But not like that.

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Speaker 2: He said, we got to get out of your hank.

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Speaker 1: Still unsteading on his feet, Hank started looking around.

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Speaker 1: Twila had been strangled and bludging to death. Someone had

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Speaker 2: And I couldn't even stand up, even holding on with

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Speaker 3: And this is something I remember. I don't remember falling.

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Speaker 2: and he's got this horribly sad expression on his face,

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Speaker 1: Randy had been stabbed in the heart through his back

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Speaker 3: That's when I realized my hand was cut.

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Speaker 1: Hank wasn't dreaming that his hand was cut. That was real.

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Speaker 1: He and Scooter moved through the house trying to escape,

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Speaker 1: Hank passed out again, so he didn't know that Scooter

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Speaker 1: When the police showed up and found out where Scooter lived,

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Speaker 1: the living boyfriend. They found him at Andrea Joyce Reid's house,

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Speaker 1: where Hank had gone for help after he came to consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Hank became the prime suspect.

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Speaker 5: The reason he was accused of the crime, I think

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Speaker 1: This is Rob Owen.

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Speaker 5: I'm a lawyer. I live in Chicago. For many years

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Speaker 5: members of Hank Skinner's defense team. The police assumed that

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Speaker 5: this was an open and shot case. They assumed that

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Speaker 5: he had to be the killer he had some of

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Speaker 1: And Hank says the blood very likely came from touching

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Speaker 5: I think that was all. It was very easy for

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Speaker 1: Hank was taken to the police station and booked, but

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Speaker 1: He was eventually taken to the hospital. Hank's cut hand

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Speaker 1: this is Hank's alibi.

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Speaker 5: Hank couldn't have committed this murder or these murders because

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Speaker 1: Remember, Hank was virtually comatose when Howard came to pick

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Speaker 5: Hank could only have been able to sort of at

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Speaker 1: Police searched the house for ten days without a warrant,

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Speaker 1: None of the evidence directly linked Hank to the crime. Yes,

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Speaker 1: scooters or Randy's, But despite all of that, Hank was

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Speaker 1: two key testimonies, that of state witnesses Howard Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: crime were presented at trial. In fact, Stalling's the criminalist,

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Speaker 1: Howard Mitchell testified for the state and said that Hank

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Speaker 1: Robert Dennell was harassing her at his house, Howard took

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Speaker 5: She came in and said, well, when he got to

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Speaker 1: Her testimony was a blow for the defense. Harold Comer,

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Speaker 1: In a later afi David he added to his argument.

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Speaker 1: He said, quote, mister Skinner at best would have been

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00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: in a stuporous state, barely able to stand without assistance,

443
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: and completely without the physical coordination or mental acuity. Required

444
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: to commit these murders by strangulation, beating, and stabbing end quote.

445
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: According to doctor Lowry, Hank was likely exerting whatever strength

446
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: and energy he had just to stand up and walk.

447
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: Based on Hank's bloody handprints around the walls of the

448
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: house and his inability to stand for a photo at

449
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: the police station, this was likely the case. Hank's defense

450
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: attorney also presented Twyla's called Robert Dannell as an alternate suspect,

451
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: but he failed to make a strong case of reasonable

452
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: doubt for Hank, and on March eighteenth, nineteen ninety five,

453
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Speaker 1: the jury deliberated for only two and a half hours

454
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Speaker 1: before finding Hank guilty. Five days later, they handed him

455
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: a death sentence.

456
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: And I just can't believe they're done this to me

457
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: because I'm innocent and they know they knew I was

458
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: innocent before they arrested me.

459
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Speaker 6: The fact that a country in the Western world still

460
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Speaker 6: executed citizens is beyond shocking.

461
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: This is sindury a George Skinner.

462
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Speaker 6: I am French, spending half my time in Texas and

463
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 6: half most time in France.

464
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: And Hank have been married since two thousand and eight,

465
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: and Hank is anxious to get out of prison so

466
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: they can be together because of the pandemic. They hadn't

467
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: seen or heard each other for almost three years until recently.

468
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: So for three years, you guys have just been writing letters.

469
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct.

470
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: How did you hear about Hank? And you know you're

471
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: in France? What interested you? And somebody in Houston, Texas?

472
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: Well.

473
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 6: I had a friend in France who was a young

474
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 6: lawyer and he wrote his thesis on the death penalty

475
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 6: in Texas and he sent me a copy. I read

476
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 6: it and I just had off my chair. I couldn't

477
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 6: believe that the legal system in the US was so

478
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 6: poor and so flawed. And he told me at the

479
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 6: time about an organization that was set up and run

480
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: by the death row prisoners in Texas and they had

481
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 6: a sort of a trimestral newsletter. And he said, you know,

482
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 6: if you want to translate it in French, could distribute

483
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 6: in France and get people, you know, a bit more

484
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 6: aware about what's going on there. And so I did

485
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 6: a couple of times, and he said, well, she want

486
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 6: to correspond with people there. I'm thinking of three guys

487
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 6: I'm sure you'll get along with and Hank was one

488
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 6: of those three guys. That's how we started writing in

489
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety.

490
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Six Saintdrin's as. They corresponded for about four years before

491
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: she went to visit Hank on death Row, a place

492
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: where prisoners are confined in cells alone and do everything alone.

493
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: When she met Hank on death Row, that's when she

494
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: felt he was more than just a pen pal.

495
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 6: And you know, he's very smart, he's very funny, he's

496
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 6: very strong, as you can imagine with what he's been through.

497
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 6: And we just clicked instantly, even at a distance and

498
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 6: in writing, and we clicked even more when we met.

499
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: In what ways? I mean you might think, you know,

500
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: you'd see our worlds apart literally, I mean you're we

501
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: are a woman in France and he's a man on

502
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: death row.

503
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 6: Totally different culture, different background. Well yeah, you know, kindred spirits.

504
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 6: I guess, no, no borders.

505
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: So you guys have never been able to be intimate

506
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: in any kind of way. You've never even touched his hand?

507
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 6: No, never?

508
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: What is that like?

509
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 6: It's well, I'm not a masochist, but honestly, it is

510
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 6: a torture. It is a torture. It really is a

511
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 6: torture because you look sometimes, you know, when you even

512
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 6: with your friends. I mean, I don't know here in

513
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 6: the US, but in front, we are very felly, touchy,

514
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 6: We need to be close. We kiss, we hug, so

515
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 6: you know someone's sent their skin, you know, you know

516
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 6: a lot of things. So basically our sensorial memories of

517
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 6: each other's are the sound of our voices and our

518
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 6: eyes and the look in our eyes. And not knowing

519
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 6: his skin, not being able to comfort him is very,

520
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 6: very hard.

521
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: Through the years, Sandrine has flown back and forth between

522
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: France and Houston to visit Hank on death row. Although

523
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: she was not originally involved in Hank's innocence claim, Sandrine

524
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: eventually became convinced of his innocence.

525
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 6: And I read tons and tons of paperwork, and to

526
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 6: me it was obvious, I mean physically, scientifically, for a

527
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 6: number of reasons, it was very clear that he was innocent.

528
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: And indeed, the one key witness that Hank's fate rested on,

529
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Andrea Jorce Reid, recanted her statement. Here's Robowen again.

530
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 5: After Hank was convicted and sent to death row, Andrea

531
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: Reid contacted Hank's lawyers and said that testimony wasn't true.

532
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: I was really afraid because I thought I was likely

533
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 5: to be accused of being some sort of accomplice or

534
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: having assisted Hank in some way that would put me

535
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: into legal jeopardy. She was at the time trying to

536
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 5: gain custody of a child, and she thought that that

537
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: would certainly be unlikely if the authorities were angry at

538
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 5: her or believed she had some role in this crime.

539
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: So she essentially went to trial and exaggerated systemically and

540
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: repeatedly the things that Hank was able to do. What

541
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 5: she said in her recantation was in fact, Hank was

542
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: not able to get into the house on his own.

543
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 5: She had to go outside basically drag him up the

544
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 5: steps and into the house.

545
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: But when she recanted, Prosecutor Man was not pleased.

546
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: John Mann dragged Andrea Reid before a grand jury after

547
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: she gave her affidavit recanting her trial testimony, and threatened

548
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 5: to prosecute her for perjury if she persisted, And to

549
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 5: her great credit, she did not back away from the recantation,

550
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 5: and she said, I don't want false testimony on my conscience,

551
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: and so I'm going to stick now telling the truth

552
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: now about what the consequences for me personally are. But

553
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: I think that says a lot about mister Mann that

554
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: he was willing to threaten to prosecute her in order

555
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: to keep her truth from coming out.

556
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Hank filed multiple appeals, one based on Andrew's recantation, but

557
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: clearly none were sufficient for the court to free him.

558
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: He was only met with execution dates. Sandrina and Hank

559
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: kept up their relationship for nearly fifteen years before Hank

560
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: got another execution date in March twenty ten. This time

561
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: it was serious. He was transferred to one of the

562
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: cells near the death chamber in Huntsville, Texas.

563
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: They killed my first rand March the second. They killed

564
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: my second Frand March the eleven. They were gonna kill

565
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: me March twenty four or thirteen days later.

566
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: Is that?

567
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: What is that like? When you when you know you're

568
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: going to die?

569
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: It's indescribable. The last seven days you don't sleep at all.

570
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: You're hyper vigilant. Your mind starts unrolling all of the

571
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: things you've done in your life that you wish you

572
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: hadn't done, the things you could have done better. I'm

573
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: sitting there looking at that gurney that They're fixing to

574
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: put me on. I could see it through the door.

575
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: They had the door open. I could see the microphone,

576
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: I could see the straps, arm boards, and I was

577
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: absolutely convinced I was fixing to die.

578
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: I just knew that I was.

579
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: Gonna die because the courtsey just give me the short shrift.

580
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: Every time we had files, I was like, fuck you

581
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: the fuck you died, and so I felt like that

582
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: was it.

583
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: Did you get a last meal?

584
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: Yes? I did? What was it?

585
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Popeye's Fried chicken, a cheese burrow, a double cheeseburger.

586
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: With onions and tomatoes, no lettuce, and.

587
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Uh chocolate pudding, chocolate cake, and a chocolate milkshake.

588
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: And I ate every bit of it.

589
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: Fortunately, Hank's execution was stayed by the US Supreme Court

590
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: less than an hour before he was set to be killed. Today,

591
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: Hank spends his time as a jailhouse attorney, helping other

592
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: prisoners with the law and their cases. And although he's

593
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: in solitary on death row, incarcerated people do have a

594
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: right to provide legal help to one another, so that's

595
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: really his only social interactions. Hank has maintained his innocence

596
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: for nearly thirty years to this day, he believes he

597
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: was framed by Twyla's uncle, Bob Donell, and at one

598
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: of Hank's later hearings, Denell's longtime neighbor, Deborah Ellis, testified

599
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: that she saw Denell in his yard a few days

600
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: after the murders took place. He was giving a frenzied

601
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: cleaning to his old beat up pickup truck, taking out

602
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: the seeds, throwing away the carpet, and scrubbing the floorboards

603
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: with an astringent cleaner. Ellis found his behavior strange because

604
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Robert reportedly rarely cleaned his truck. Hank's theory is that

605
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 1: after Twyla left the party with Howard, Denell followed them home.

606
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: When Howard Mitchell testified at trial, he said that when

607
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: he returned to the party, Denell was gone. Hank thinks

608
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: he left to confront Twila at home, and when he

609
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: saw Hank passed out, he left him as the sole survivor,

610
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: knowing how that would look. And if you remember, there

611
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: was a men's windbreaker jacket that was taken as evidence,

612
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: however it was never tested.

613
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: Clearly has potential evidentiary value. It's got blood spatter on

614
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 5: the sleeves, it's got sweatstains on the collar, it's got

615
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: hairs on the interior lining.

616
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Over the years, Rob and Hank's team have tried to

617
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: test all the evidence they could, but it.

618
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 5: Was only once we got into court that the state

619
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 5: came in and said, oh, well, we don't know what

620
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 5: happened to the jacket. The jacket is lost. And it's

621
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 5: also a little weird that it's the only piece of

622
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 5: evidence that they say is lost. Right, they had all

623
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 5: the other events of the scene. They've got the blood swabs,

624
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: they got the knives, they've got fingernail clippings, they've got hairs,

625
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: but somehow they managed to lose an object as large

626
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 5: as a man's windbreaker jacket. So I'm not going to

627
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 5: vouch for their claim to have lost this jacket. I

628
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: think they should still be looking for this jacket.

629
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: DNA testing that was able to be done on the

630
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: items from the crime scene has been completed. None of

631
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: the results have implicated Hank as the murderer. However, the

632
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: courts ruled that even if the DNA testing and results

633
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: had been available at the time of trial, it's not

634
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: reasonably probable that the jury would have found him not guilty,

635
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: meaning the judge who decided the verdict would have reached

636
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: the same conclusion. Hank has appealed this to the Texas

637
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Highest Criminal Court. When I met with Hank at the

638
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Polanski death row unit, I asked him.

639
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: Do you wish you were killed that night instead of

640
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 4: winding up here?

641
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: There have been times when I wished that, because, especially

642
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: in the first days after this happened and I was

643
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: in jail, ce by myself, it would have been so much.

644
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: Better, you know what I mean?

645
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: And uh, alright, I just could not believe that they

646
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: were called. I mean, the three people I love most.

647
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: In this world.

648
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: Her sons were my best friends. We spent all our

649
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: time together and so uh f t to wake up

650
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: one morning and there it is all gone, and I,

651
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, survivor's guilt.

652
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: I didn't do this. There's nothing in the world that

653
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: could have made me do it.

654
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: But I felt so responsible because I was the king

655
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: of that castle, and instead of passed out the drunk

656
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: on the fucking couch, I should have been awake and

657
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: able to do something.

658
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: H M, can you envisional life outside of here?

659
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: Sure?

660
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: What does that look like?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be with saying dream, do you think you'll

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Speaker 2: go to France?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're gonna get out of here?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm out of this country. They let me

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Speaker 2: out of here. I'm so out of here.

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Speaker 3: It ain't fund you.

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Speaker 4: Do you think you're gonna get out?

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Speaker 2: Well, tax is crazy and they've tried to kill me

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Speaker 2: five times, so I believe that they're very serious about that.

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Speaker 3: But I think with the evidence we have now.

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Speaker 2: That there's no way they're gonna have to let me go,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna have to acknowledge that I'm innocent.

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Speaker 3: I don't any other way, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think, after all I've suffered that I deserve a chance,

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Speaker 2: I deserve to be with my wife.

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Speaker 3: I deserve to have a life. I deserve to be

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Speaker 3: released and get the hell out of here. And I

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Speaker 3: won't out. I'm telling you something, you know.

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Speaker 2: It was just so amazing to find love a second time,

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Speaker 2: and I love her endlessly, man, And I mean, we

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Speaker 2: are really truly so amazed.

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Speaker 1: Hank was facing another execution date in September of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. At the time of his death, Hank, Sandrine

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Speaker 1: and his team were still fiercely fighting for his innocence.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to make a donation in Hank's memory,

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Speaker 1: Sandrine recommends the Texas After Violence Project. More information about

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Speaker 1: this and about Hank's case can be found at the

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Speaker 1: link in our bio. Thank you for listening to Wrongful

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Speaker 1: Conviction with Maggie Freeling. Please support your local innocence organizations

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Speaker 1: producers Jason Flamm and Kevin Wurtis, as well as our

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Speaker 1: senior producer Annie Chelsea, researcher Lila Robinson, story editor Sonya Paul,

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Speaker 1: with additional production by Jeff Cleiburn and Connor Hall. The

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