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Speaker 1: up on game as well. All Right, so we first hour, guys,
Speaker 1: we we tackled some draft discussions. We we tackled some
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame debates about Julian Edelman, and we kind
Speaker 1: of had some interesting conversation about that. Now we're in
Speaker 1: the second hour, and I want to switch gears on
Speaker 1: y'all and I want to see where y'all are at
Speaker 1: on this one. And we were getting text messages the
Speaker 1: entire time when the Lakers were downing the Brooklyn Nets
Speaker 1: from one Homer and big fan um t J Hushman's
Speaker 1: out up. Let me preface this everyone out there that
Speaker 1: he is a big time h LA Lakers fan. So
Speaker 1: h with that being said, he may not be able
Speaker 1: to give us a clear U very very um you know,
Speaker 1: good take on this, but we're gonna still take a
Speaker 1: chance on it. So we had the situation where didn't
Speaker 1: Shrewder and Kyrie Irving get tangled up at the end
Speaker 1: of the game up, you know, clearly the Brooklyn Nets
Speaker 1: are going to lose. And was he salty? Was Kyrie
Speaker 1: salty or was he well intended? When the exchange between
Speaker 1: them turned into a situation. Here's Dennis Shrewder's take on
Speaker 1: the situation and then I'll introduce the rest of the
Speaker 1: topic after this. I didn't know at first that we
Speaker 1: got double technicals when he came up to me. That's
Speaker 1: the first thing. But after that, I asked him. I
Speaker 1: kept asking him what he is talking about, and he
Speaker 1: kept talking, kept talking. Then he got kicked out or
Speaker 1: got the second technical, and I just, I mean, I said, bye,
Speaker 1: you know, probably I don't even know if I raised him.
Speaker 1: I don't, I probably did. And then she said, you're
Speaker 1: going to because he raped that up. And I didn't
Speaker 1: even know I got the you know, first technical with
Speaker 1: him when he came up to me. But it happened.
Speaker 1: I can't take it back. Let's just turn them move
Speaker 1: forward now, Okay. This comes after the the reports that
Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder used the inn word while speaking to Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 1: which in turn inflamed Kyrie. Kyrie sang and I quote
Speaker 1: the in word is a derogatory racial slur, Irving wrote
Speaker 1: on his Twitter after the game. He explained that the
Speaker 1: word will never be a term of endearment. Never forget,
Speaker 1: it's foul and it's true history. Throw the inn word
Speaker 1: out the window right alongside all of those other racist
Speaker 1: words used to describe my people. He added, we are
Speaker 1: not slaves or ends. So and this, and listen, I
Speaker 1: watched the video. I don't know if y'all seen the video.
Speaker 1: He definitely says it. He definitely said it. And and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a good lip reader, and I saw
Speaker 1: that that. You know, if you if you put it
Speaker 1: in slow motion and you run it back, you definitely
Speaker 1: can make out that he used the word in the
Speaker 1: change slow motion. Brother, you got to do your homework,
Speaker 1: make sure you can come on the radio and speak
Speaker 1: confidently about it. And I end up getting no defamation
Speaker 1: of character calls from any lawyers or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But what y'all's take on this, man, because this is
Speaker 1: one of those This is one of those slippery slope
Speaker 1: debates for a lot of different reasons. For the rap industry,
Speaker 1: for the you know, the music industry in general, you know,
Speaker 1: for certain you know, genres of music, uh, movies and entertainment,
Speaker 1: regular everyday life. That word is now and this is
Speaker 1: crazy to think, but that word now, it has even
Speaker 1: become larger than just the specific race of people using
Speaker 1: the word. What what say you to this approach? That
Speaker 1: was this more of Kyrie being upset that they lost
Speaker 1: to the Lakers, and and he turned that into parlaying
Speaker 1: it into a bigger topic or was there some was
Speaker 1: there something there where you say, you know what, this
Speaker 1: is something that really needs to be paid attention to.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of social unrest going on right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things taking place in terms of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the mistreatment of racial groups. And obviously when
Speaker 1: you think about that word, that's connected to a lot
Speaker 1: of the struggles and and the fights that are taking
Speaker 1: place right now for for equality and and and different
Speaker 1: things that are are out there. What's your take on this?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, for me, when the game was
Speaker 1: wasn't decided when Kyrie uh and he when him and
Speaker 1: Shooter when they got into it, it was actually a
Speaker 1: competitive game. The game could have gone either way. It
Speaker 1: was when Kyrie and Shrewder got kicked out, the Lakers
Speaker 1: kind of went on a big run and took over
Speaker 1: the game. That word and the black community has become
Speaker 1: a term in endearment for a lot of us. And
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to admit I say the word,
Speaker 1: and I actually said often and I don't even think
Speaker 1: about it. It just comes out. It's like it just
Speaker 1: I speak it freely, And if Kyrie feels that way
Speaker 1: about it, I respect that. I have no problem with
Speaker 1: someone not wanting to be called a word that he
Speaker 1: feels is derogatory. That's his preference. If I was a
Speaker 1: friend of his, I would try to refrain from using
Speaker 1: it around him. If we are friends, Kyrie has to
Speaker 1: also understand because he's been enlightened and he doesn't use
Speaker 1: that word. I'm sure he wants used that word. And
Speaker 1: for us, and when I say us, I mean us
Speaker 1: black men and just women, and just the black culture period,
Speaker 1: we use that word as a term of endearment, and
Speaker 1: so I get where Kyrie Iren is coming from. He
Speaker 1: doesn't like that word to be used around him anymore,
Speaker 1: and it will be very tough, in my opinion, to
Speaker 1: get our culture to stop using that word, because we
Speaker 1: turned something that was once a derogatory statement into a
Speaker 1: term of endearment. And I don't know if you two
Speaker 1: use it, but again, do you know you know I
Speaker 1: use it and it almost as much as you do.
Speaker 1: And for me it's it's all love. But I can
Speaker 1: respect where Kyrie is coming from. The thing that I
Speaker 1: don't get what Kyrie is. You played twenty games last year.
Speaker 1: You didn't play in a bubble. You didn't want people
Speaker 1: to play in the bubble. You get kicked out of
Speaker 1: the game, and then you don't play the next game.
Speaker 1: Be there for your teammates. They need you on the court.
Speaker 1: They care more about you being on the court. If
Speaker 1: you want to be a socialist and impact your community,
Speaker 1: that's great, but your teammates need you. You should have
Speaker 1: played the next game. If you're physically able to play.
Speaker 1: You're an athlete. You get paid to play basketball games.
Speaker 1: Play basketball games. With all that being said, you know
Speaker 1: the vast statium that we know that through to you
Speaker 1: know definitely you know use the N word, and it's
Speaker 1: a word that you know we use, and you know
Speaker 1: I use. I wish we could say it, I really do.
Speaker 1: I hate that we got to say N word, but
Speaker 1: go ahead, But I really didn't understand why the referee
Speaker 1: got in between these two guys and kick them out
Speaker 1: for having a heated conversation basically, so to speak. You
Speaker 1: know clearly the NBA is in the early eighties and
Speaker 1: late eighties nineties, because you know, a lot of those
Speaker 1: things were going on, and it would just looked at
Speaker 1: as normal, so to speak. So for the referee to
Speaker 1: kick both of those guys out of the game for
Speaker 1: I guess Shooter using the N word and them having
Speaker 1: a confrontation. I've never witnessed a referee eject two guys
Speaker 1: from a from a basketball game if the interaction or
Speaker 1: the words between the player between the referee so like
Speaker 1: there was no physical contact but between the two. So
Speaker 1: he just should have gave him the technical, you know,
Speaker 1: the first technical and kept it moving. But why he
Speaker 1: got involved with those two guys in the in the
Speaker 1: verbiage that was spit out between the two and he
Speaker 1: had no interaction or it wasn't directed towards him, that
Speaker 1: he thought that it was derogatory enough to kick those guys,
Speaker 1: the guys out of the game for having a u
Speaker 1: the conversation that that's just something that that that I
Speaker 1: won't understand. And and it was the first time that
Speaker 1: both of those guys have ever been ejected from a
Speaker 1: basketball game. So not not saying that you know they
Speaker 1: you know, they have an image that is, you know,
Speaker 1: clean or whatever the case may be. But you know,
Speaker 1: as long as I've known, uh, you know, Schroder and
Speaker 1: and Kylerie irving on the court. All they really do
Speaker 1: is just go out and play basketball when they when
Speaker 1: they're available, and and and go out and compete and
Speaker 1: do it at a high level. So I didn't understand
Speaker 1: why the Revere kick those guys out. You know. Secondly,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things going on, you
Speaker 1: know in this world. You know, as we see and
Speaker 1: and and certain people, you know during this time, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody is a little sensitive to us being thrown at them.
Speaker 1: You know what, it doesn't matter you know, what color
Speaker 1: you are, where you come from, or it's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different things going on in this world that
Speaker 1: that that that people are more sensitive to with everything
Speaker 1: that's going on. You know, Kyrie's right, you know, Shrewder
Speaker 1: was wrong or whatever the case may be. But just
Speaker 1: like you know TJ said, if he wants to go
Speaker 1: out and you know, and you know, you know, get
Speaker 1: into the communities and socialism and all those things, that
Speaker 1: that's his deal. But as far as when it comes
Speaker 1: to playing basketball into you know the commented, you know,
Speaker 1: in that context, you know, you know, Kyrie Irv is
Speaker 1: from New Jersey, you know, Irvington right down the street,
Speaker 1: which is a predominantly you know, black community, So I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that he has heard this word or used
Speaker 1: it a few times himself. I'm just I'm just saying
Speaker 1: so it doesn't make it right or wrong. But you know,
Speaker 1: I looking back at it, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: the referee should have got in between those guys and
Speaker 1: objected them for just you know, a word that I
Speaker 1: guess the referee thought it was the rugatory to him,
Speaker 1: you know, and he those guys out of the game.
Speaker 1: So it just never should have happened at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. My my take on it. First off,
Speaker 1: I can always remember the first time I really got
Speaker 1: acclimated to the word and the reason why I just
Speaker 1: so it's not misconstrue when I said I wish we
Speaker 1: could say the word. Um. The reason why I say
Speaker 1: that is is because now saying in word really really
Speaker 1: makes it into you know, like a taboo situation. Right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like I literally use the word and
Speaker 1: then I got acclimated to it through Tupac. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just be honest with you. When I heard him
Speaker 1: say never ignorant getting getting gold to accomplish, I thought
Speaker 1: that was pretty dope. Um, I love Tupac's music. I
Speaker 1: subscribed to his messaging and and how he you know,
Speaker 1: how he flowed, and I kind of got acclimated into, um,
Speaker 1: what that represented. Now. Have I always used a word
Speaker 1: with the idea of term it of endearment or or
Speaker 1: you know, the empowerment of taking a negative word and
Speaker 1: using it positively and spending it. No, I'd be lying.
Speaker 1: I'd be disingenuous if I was saying that it just
Speaker 1: became a habit. It's a it's a word that is
Speaker 1: almost like saying, you know, homye, buddy, my guy. Whatever
Speaker 1: it may be, it's it's a part of it became
Speaker 1: a part of my language. And I got a pretty
Speaker 1: good vocabulary, so it's not as though I'm ignorant. But
Speaker 1: I can understand when the conversation turns into this is
Speaker 1: a conversation I heard enlightened. It can turn into a
Speaker 1: conversation of enlightenment versus ignorance. And I'm not necessarily sure
Speaker 1: that that's really the road to go down on this,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest with you, during the course
Speaker 1: of that game, there's probably ten different words that that
Speaker 1: Kyrie could have said, don't use that word. It's a
Speaker 1: derogatory term. And and it could have been a female dog.
Speaker 1: It could have been a mother sucker, it could have
Speaker 1: been you know what, it could have been a lot
Speaker 1: of different terms that I'm sure within the parameters of
Speaker 1: what took place in the game that there were derogatory
Speaker 1: terms that were taking place during the trash talk exchanges
Speaker 1: between players. So, for first off, I would I would
Speaker 1: ultimately jump out there and say that in the in
Speaker 1: the I guess the parameters of of competing in a game,
Speaker 1: trash talk has always been a part of sport. And
Speaker 1: and I'll be the first one to tell you if
Speaker 1: I could say something to you that is going to
Speaker 1: get you off of your game, Like like if if
Speaker 1: I knew if I was playing right now and this
Speaker 1: took place, and I knew I had him on my schedule,
Speaker 1: do you understand what I would do to him if
Speaker 1: we were on the field together. Every time I tackle him,
Speaker 1: every time I hit him, do you understand what I'm
Speaker 1: doing to him? Because to me playing the game and
Speaker 1: being a part of competition, people say, oh, well that's
Speaker 1: not good sportsmanship, and this done and the other and
Speaker 1: to die. I don't care if you think it's good
Speaker 1: sportsmanship or if it fits into your parameters of what's
Speaker 1: morally sound and morally correct. I'm trying to get I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get ahead. I'm trying to get an advantage.
Speaker 1: And if I can get a mental emotional advantage if
Speaker 1: you're not physical, but if I can get all of
Speaker 1: those boxes checked off, physical advantage, mental advantage, emotional advantage,
Speaker 1: if I could take you out of your game, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take you out of your game, and you just
Speaker 1: have to be prepared to deal with that. So you
Speaker 1: know there, I think that the dangerous part of what
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving did here, not he's right or wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean you certainly you know, with everything that's going on,
Speaker 1: you want to raise the awareness because of all of
Speaker 1: the hate that is circulating in our world. But I
Speaker 1: also would urge to say, when you sit there and
Speaker 1: you try to do it in the context of painting
Speaker 1: shrewder in a way like he's this ignorant dude that
Speaker 1: shouldn't use those that word around him, and people should
Speaker 1: pay attention to throw that word out and don't use
Speaker 1: it anymore, and this, that, and the other. You're within
Speaker 1: the parameters of competitive sport and you're all adults. So
Speaker 1: to me, you have to look at it from the
Speaker 1: perspective of how you're presenting your argument and presenting what
Speaker 1: it is that that you have going on. If if
Speaker 1: it's social activism, active activists work that you're doing, which
Speaker 1: he has been a part of that, I get that.
Speaker 1: I get that you want to continue to move your
Speaker 1: agenda and keep things moving that way, and if you're
Speaker 1: using that as a platform for change, I get that.
Speaker 1: But I look at Shrewder and I'm like, well, don't
Speaker 1: paint this kid into us or this guy into a
Speaker 1: situation where you're making him out to be some type
Speaker 1: of villain when he's you know, kind of he's competing.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say things and do things. The person that
Speaker 1: I was on the football field was not the person
Speaker 1: I was walking around as an everyday person. The things
Speaker 1: I say and doing how I say and do them
Speaker 1: are very, very vastly different than how I am when
Speaker 1: I was on the competitive field or court or whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. So I felt like that it was
Speaker 1: kind of it makes sense what Kyrie is saying, And
Speaker 1: I do believe in the grand scheme of things. The
Speaker 1: more you understand that you in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: perpetuate how some people view us and fill us. You know,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people justify calling people the
Speaker 1: end word with the hard er at the end versus
Speaker 1: the GA right and and and said, well, you guys
Speaker 1: call yourself, you each other, that you use it, why
Speaker 1: can't I use it? You know, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of things that can be interpreted, um from the word.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of meanings connected to the word.
Speaker 1: But in this in this instance, in this particular one guys,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. You can you can say that upset you,
Speaker 1: and you could say that, you know, Shrewder shouldn't use it.
Speaker 1: But I almost felt like, maybe that's that's one of
Speaker 1: those conversations that you have with Shrewder, And I don't
Speaker 1: know that you turn that into the biggest public spectacle
Speaker 1: um based upon you know, the situation. But that's just
Speaker 1: one man's opinion. You're listening to the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1: I'm LaVar Arrington, that's t J. Hushman's out of Plexico Burrst.
Speaker 1: We all have opinions, um, but you know, it is
Speaker 1: what it is. We're gonna keep we're gonna stay with basketball.
Speaker 1: I got a fun little, uh little little question for
Speaker 1: you guys on the other side of the break. It's
Speaker 1: a pick pick between the two guys type of conversation
Speaker 1: and it has to do out in the West. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: do apply. Okay, welcome back to the show everyone. I
Speaker 1: want to switch gears a little bit and and talk
Speaker 1: about two very very bright stars and in the basketball
Speaker 1: National Basketball Association right now, and and get your opinion
Speaker 1: on this, uh, Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell. Now, these
Speaker 1: guys are playing some amazing basketball and doing some pretty
Speaker 1: phenomenal things. And I just wanted to put it out
Speaker 1: there to you guys, if you were taking a guy
Speaker 1: in the draft or a trade for your team, which
Speaker 1: one of these guys would you take? Which side are
Speaker 1: you going on? Who you gonna with, who you're gonna
Speaker 1: build around? Flaques. I'll let you go first, mister man.
Speaker 1: This this Ray here's a tough one for me because
Speaker 1: you know, just last week we was having this great,
Speaker 1: this great conversation about Donovan Mitchell and I called him
Speaker 1: a tarantula, you know, running up and down the basketball court.
Speaker 1: That's what he you know, he kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of in his playing style. But you know, I've said this,
Speaker 1: you know when when Donovan Mitchell was coming out of college,
Speaker 1: you know, Rick Patino told all the scouts and the
Speaker 1: owners that he was arguably the best point guard that
Speaker 1: he had ever coached. And you know, nobody really paid
Speaker 1: attention to him. So did you look at Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: and you look at Devin Booker? And when when when
Speaker 1: they told me that Devin Booker had went to Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that he went into Kentucky because
Speaker 1: he was never spoke about because he played with card
Speaker 1: Off any Towns, Willie Carlistein and the Harrison Twins, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Aaron, so Booker was overlooked. Nobody was talking about
Speaker 1: Devin Booker. But so you know, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: he was at Kentucky until he did say when he
Speaker 1: was coming out though he's gonna be the best player
Speaker 1: in the draft. I remember him. He did say that, Yes,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even know that he went into Kentucky
Speaker 1: because he played with such a great other four that
Speaker 1: you know, he was never really you know, a star
Speaker 1: or was mentioned. But if I'm a GM knowing what
Speaker 1: I know now, and I love me from Donovan Mitchell, man,
Speaker 1: y'll y'all know how I feel about him. I think
Speaker 1: he has the whole entire skill set of becoming the
Speaker 1: next great star and point guard in the NBA. But
Speaker 1: if you're talking about building a franchise and somebody being
Speaker 1: a cornerstone of your organization, I'm gonna have to go
Speaker 1: with Devin Booker because the more and more I watched
Speaker 1: this young man play, you know, he's a more athletic
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller. You know he's gonna run you off for
Speaker 1: screens and you're gonna have to know where he is
Speaker 1: at on the basketball court at all times. And then
Speaker 1: when he pulls that jump shot, man, it's so pure,
Speaker 1: not pure per it's purer and man, I watched him
Speaker 1: last night and you know when he pulls up fifteen
Speaker 1: to eighteen foot this man, the ball doesn't even touch
Speaker 1: the rim. And he you can put him on any
Speaker 1: basketball team in the NBA, and I honestly to believe
Speaker 1: that he would have the same impact on any basketball
Speaker 1: team that you put him on, because he just has
Speaker 1: a universal basketball game that you can plug him into anywhere.
Speaker 1: And with the addition of Chris Paul coming in which
Speaker 1: t J thinks that Chris Paul is still one of
Speaker 1: the top five point guards in basketball, I disagree, but
Speaker 1: he Devin Booker is shining more and I heard Charles
Speaker 1: Buckler say this the other night, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: great chance that every night that Devin Booker steps on
Speaker 1: the basketball court that he's the best player on the floor,
Speaker 1: and and and and I think that's high remarks, you know,
Speaker 1: especially coming from Charles Barkley and watching this young man
Speaker 1: grow and become a phenom in this league and being
Speaker 1: an elite player, that almost every night that he stepped
Speaker 1: on my basketball court, that he's the best player on
Speaker 1: the floor. And you know, you know, with that all
Speaker 1: being said, you know, knowing what we know now, not
Speaker 1: coming out of college, if you're going to build an
Speaker 1: organization and build an NBA team, you can plug Devin
Speaker 1: Booker in anywhere and he will still put up twenty
Speaker 1: six points a night. Before but before a Plex gave
Speaker 1: us his answer, I was actually leaning Davin Booker myself,
Speaker 1: but I kind of dove into it a little more
Speaker 1: when he said he's a more athletic Reggie Miller that
Speaker 1: he is doesn't shoot the ball as well as Reggie Millie.
Speaker 1: Davin Booker is a thirty five percent career three point shooter.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Donovan Mitchell and Plex really made
Speaker 1: me look into it it as he was talking, and
Speaker 1: I look at it from this perspective. Donovan Mitchell is
Speaker 1: the man on his team. They're both twenty four years old.
Speaker 1: The Phoenix Suns and Devin Booker haven't had success in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Last year in the Bubble they did well.
Speaker 1: They haven't had any success. Chris Paul comes in and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're a good team. Donovan Mitchell's
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz team has had success, big success, and he's
Speaker 1: the lead dog, he's the engine, he's the reason they go.
Speaker 1: And so for me, Devin Booker can play. But if
Speaker 1: you ask, you're asking me who would I want to
Speaker 1: start my franchise When he's only two guys I can
Speaker 1: pick and choose from. I'm gonna go with Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: because he's proven to me already he can be that
Speaker 1: guy on the team and take his team to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Have they reached a pinnacle, absolutely not. But Devin Booker
Speaker 1: as yet's even getting the playoffs and do damage. And
Speaker 1: so the bubble last year the Suns did very very well.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking before that. Yeah, he put up points
Speaker 1: and he can shoot the ball, but I want Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell because I know he's going to leave my team.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Devin Booker can do that. You know,
Speaker 1: the reason why I liked this debate is because the
Speaker 1: Suns are in second place overall in the Western Conference
Speaker 1: and the Jazz or first. You actually stole a little
Speaker 1: bit of my thunder on this one, TJ. I really
Speaker 1: look at Donovan Mitchell as the catalyst of why the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz are playing so well, why they were dangerous
Speaker 1: in the playoffs last year. I can recall when he
Speaker 1: had his coming out party in the playoffs and it
Speaker 1: was like, man, who is this guy? I'm going with
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell as well. I just think that when I
Speaker 1: look at as you call him, the Tarantula, and how
Speaker 1: he handles himself on the court, um his leadership qualities
Speaker 1: as he goes the Utah Jazz go. When I look
Speaker 1: at these two teams and I say which team is
Speaker 1: closer to competing for a championship, I look at Utah
Speaker 1: and I think that there. I think they are a
Speaker 1: legit competitor to try to get to the finals this season.
Speaker 1: When I look at the Phoenix Suns, I still think
Speaker 1: that there's holes as I think that when you think
Speaker 1: about the catalysts, Yes, Booker is the catalyst for for
Speaker 1: that team, but it's debatable and nothing more more telling
Speaker 1: than the All Star selections, right Like you take CP
Speaker 1: three over Donovan, I mean over a Booker, so Devin
Speaker 1: so to me, I mean, he wasn't even considered to
Speaker 1: be the best player on his team as it was
Speaker 1: voted by by you know, the fans and the NBA.
Speaker 1: So I just I just look at Donovan Mitchell and
Speaker 1: I say, he's a He's a talent that you cannot deny.
Speaker 1: Um is the catalyst and is the leader and is
Speaker 1: the reason why they are leading the Western Conference. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people love to disrespect Utah
Speaker 1: and say they'll fall on their face as they get
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and there are a lot of different
Speaker 1: things that could happen. But when I look at the
Speaker 1: other players on that team and mainly go Bear and
Speaker 1: and that relationship, other than the COVID incident, they've been,
Speaker 1: you know, they've been this one two punch that is
Speaker 1: very very uh you know, respectable and the only reason
Speaker 1: why it's a respectable duo in combination Um as a
Speaker 1: big and as a front court guy or well backcourt
Speaker 1: guy is because of Donovan and and and I look
Speaker 1: at his ability to create, his ability to score, his
Speaker 1: ability to tack the rim um. Their numbers statistically are
Speaker 1: very comparable. Their numbers and in minutes played there, the
Speaker 1: numbers in scoring, their numbers and assists, their numbers and
Speaker 1: stills all very comparable. So when the things are as
Speaker 1: close as you know, the stats, the measurements on that
Speaker 1: end are so close that you have to go into
Speaker 1: looking at other aspects of their game, I would say,
Speaker 1: who is the facilitator, Who is the dictator? Who? Who?
Speaker 1: Who is the game changer? When you're looking at players,
Speaker 1: and that can be different players, that can be different
Speaker 1: players on Phoenix, there are different players. Like I think
Speaker 1: CP three is the facilitator right there there. I look
Speaker 1: at at certain components of the Phoenix Suns, and I
Speaker 1: think that all three of those categories do not rest
Speaker 1: on Booker's shoulders. But in Utah, the facilitator, the game changer,
Speaker 1: the dictator, all of those titles belong to to my guy,
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. And so to me, I would start with
Speaker 1: Donovan if it were up to me. Yeah, I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I understand you know your point, but
Speaker 1: you know you went to talk to speaking about, you know,
Speaker 1: the team of the Utah Jazz and the Phoenix Suns,
Speaker 1: and TJ said, spoke about Phoenix Suns haven't had any success.
Speaker 1: You know, DeAndre Ayton is still young obviously, Devin book
Speaker 1: He's only twenty four. But when you talk about the
Speaker 1: contrast of both teams, do Utah Jazz strictly basically rely
Speaker 1: on three point shot and they're going to be nice
Speaker 1: when that three point shot is not going down? And
Speaker 1: when you look at teams who are more fit to
Speaker 1: make a run in the playoffs and and who can
Speaker 1: and can adapt to a different style of play with
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns, the Utah Jazz really don't have a
Speaker 1: big man that that I can play down in the post.
Speaker 1: And then didn't you add Chris Paul with Devin Booker
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton. You know, granted, Donovan Mitchell can take over
Speaker 1: a basketball game whenever he wants to, but that's just
Speaker 1: like you said, he's the catalyst, he is the big dog.
Speaker 1: But what what what happens when the big dogs three
Speaker 1: point shot is not going down? He has nobody else
Speaker 1: to lean on too. So I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the achilles heels of the Utah Jazz and the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Can they continue to make the three point shot? Because
Speaker 1: it's if that they can't shoot it with the consistency
Speaker 1: that they're shooting it with it now, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for them in the playoffs to make a run. Well,
Speaker 1: Utahs consistently shot the ball. Well, now you taught Jazz
Speaker 1: they're a good basketball team, but we know, but the
Speaker 1: shot is not always not always going down like the
Speaker 1: way the But do they I don't believe they have
Speaker 1: a chance of winning the NBA Championship. They can win.
Speaker 1: Why not they have they have the best record in
Speaker 1: the US. Why do you think they have to win?
Speaker 1: Lakers if you're right about but they've had they've had
Speaker 1: great health, They've they've had great healthy they don't have
Speaker 1: the injuries that other teams to have. And I just
Speaker 1: believe in a seven game series, when you talk a
Speaker 1: seven game series, you might lose a game or two,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, the best team normally wins.
Speaker 1: And when you start playing teams in their top two
Speaker 1: players or top three players might be better than everybody
Speaker 1: on your team, it's hard to win, and so you
Speaker 1: taught they're going to be competitive with everybody, and it
Speaker 1: starts and it ends with Donovan Mitchell. And so if
Speaker 1: they can shoot the three ball in the playoffs the
Speaker 1: way they've been shooting, they'll prove me wrong. But history
Speaker 1: has shown that that's not the case unless you're to
Speaker 1: go to State Warriors, and they were ahead of the
Speaker 1: curve with all this three points shooting it, and now
Speaker 1: everybody's doing it, and so they have a way to
Speaker 1: defend it. But I'm rolling with Donovan Mitchell just because
Speaker 1: he has proven to be a leader on the team
Speaker 1: that he is the guy if he if he doesn't go,
Speaker 1: they don't win. All right, Well, that's a debate that
Speaker 1: will continue on. I think that you can't lose with
Speaker 1: either one. I mean, as you know, what what caliber
Speaker 1: of gun you on. While maybe that's a bad example
Speaker 1: to use, but yeah, it's it's definitely two really really
Speaker 1: good players and and some of some great stars and
Speaker 1: at that position. And speaking of great stars and at
Speaker 1: that position, I want to ask you guys this question.
Speaker 1: It's Steph Curry, the greatest point guard to ever play
Speaker 1: this game. We're going to tackle that question. On the
Speaker 1: other side of this break. You're listening to The Dan
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Speaker 1: your podcast. Alrighty, alrighty, welcome back to the show. Welcome
Speaker 1: back in. You're listening to The Dan Patrick Show with
Speaker 1: the up on Game crew. LaVar Arrington, T. J Hushman
Speaker 1: is out of plexico bursts. Yeah, man, we do talk
Speaker 1: other sports. I mean generally speaking, we love to talk
Speaker 1: football and other things. I can't wait till we could
Speaker 1: start talking about some boxing, some big boxing matches. But oh, man, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's right up my will for me. You know
Speaker 1: that I love that boxing, baby, get it? And you
Speaker 1: nerd out over the boxing deal. I get it. Man, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: gave me that check. But I want to talk about this.
Speaker 1: The debate has been ever since, uh, ever since Steph
Speaker 1: Curry has broken the scoring record. Uh did I get
Speaker 1: that right? The scoring record I believe way passed Will
Speaker 1: Chamberlain or something like that. Um. Yeah, for the excuse me,
Speaker 1: the Warriors franchise. There we go, all right, all time franchise,
Speaker 1: all time franchise leading. What score? Right, So it's it's
Speaker 1: led to the conversation of best And this is why
Speaker 1: I wanted to get at So if I butchered that, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all forgive me. Um. Best point guard ever in the
Speaker 1: history of the game is now being debated as to
Speaker 1: Steph Curry. Is Steph Curry the greatest point guard? And
Speaker 1: I started thinking about it, and I was like, man like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's an interesting it's an interesting topic because
Speaker 1: here's what made it interesting for me, guys, is we
Speaker 1: look at uh yeah, he became the Warriors all time
Speaker 1: lead score. I apologized, passed what Chamberlain? Which to pass?
Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain? You know that's that's pretty crazy? Um? But
Speaker 1: who are point Like? Is there a true point guard
Speaker 1: versus a point guard and a shooting guard? Because when
Speaker 1: I look at Steph Curry, I immediately think that we
Speaker 1: look at his ability to shoot. And we mentioned Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller in the last segment. You know, I have not
Speaker 1: seen a shooter like this well ever and the closest
Speaker 1: that I've seen was Reggie Miller. So when I look
Speaker 1: at Steph Curry, am I measuring him off of being
Speaker 1: what a point guard represents? Or am I measuring him
Speaker 1: off of being a scorer? And so when I started
Speaker 1: thinking about is he the greatest point guard of all time?
Speaker 1: I started thinking about other names that kind of came
Speaker 1: to mind. And I'll just give you my list. I mean,
Speaker 1: number one on my list forever in a day is
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, you know, and I think that it's very,
Speaker 1: very hard to ever justify there being a better point
Speaker 1: guard than Magic Johnson. He had a rare blend of
Speaker 1: side ice height, He had an amazing knack and ability
Speaker 1: to deliver the ball and pass the ball. I just
Speaker 1: think that he was the most all around point guard
Speaker 1: that has ever played this game, far and away. And
Speaker 1: then the second one I would go to And these
Speaker 1: next ones are to me debatable, but I'm a big
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas guy. Okay, I'll take it. What about John
Speaker 1: Stockton and Oscar Robinson and oh yeah, AI can't forget
Speaker 1: Alan Averson. So to me, when I think of greatest
Speaker 1: point guard of all time, it almost is where are
Speaker 1: we like, where do we draw the line between a
Speaker 1: shooting guard the two versus the one? And if we're
Speaker 1: talking a true one, then you gotta believe that John
Speaker 1: Stockton has to be in the conversation at the very
Speaker 1: very very top in terms of facilitating an offense, leading,
Speaker 1: leading an offense, getting assist and really you know, kind
Speaker 1: of being the court general. At least, that's what my
Speaker 1: interpretation of a point guard would be. What say you,
Speaker 1: guys man, when you when you talk basketball Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: whether he goes down as the greatest point guard or not?
Speaker 1: And that's always going to be up for debate because
Speaker 1: everybody's going to have their own opinion. But what I
Speaker 1: will say is he's the most influential point guarding might
Speaker 1: be player. And just think about this influential yes, And
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell him Alan Iverson was very influential
Speaker 1: in the way he went about it and what he
Speaker 1: brought to the culture and his swag and its tattoos.
Speaker 1: When I say I'm talking influential from a basketball perspective,
Speaker 1: when Steph Curry came into the NBA, it was let's
Speaker 1: throw the ball, download a shock, lets throw the ball,
Speaker 1: download to these big guys, and you know, play inside out.
Speaker 1: Nobody plays inside out anymore. And and that's because Steph
Speaker 1: Curry Klay Thompson started draining threes at a rate they
Speaker 1: were like wait, wait, wait, wait, are they really onto
Speaker 1: something from everybody copycatted what Golden State was doing, and
Speaker 1: that is because of Steph Curry. Nobody was shooting threes
Speaker 1: from damn near half court. Now it's commonplace and Steph
Speaker 1: Curry started that. And so whether he's the best point
Speaker 1: guard or not, I will probably say no, there's just
Speaker 1: so many good players. He's in the discussion, But I
Speaker 1: know his influence on the game of basketball. And now
Speaker 1: you have guys working on the skill level before our
Speaker 1: generation and plexing. We're all about the same age was
Speaker 1: going outside practicing dunks, seeing what kind of ducks they
Speaker 1: can do. Now guarantee guys is they're working on a
Speaker 1: three point shot and they handle because of Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: And then when you speak about Steph Curry arguably being
Speaker 1: the best point guard of all time, to me, it
Speaker 1: falls back and depends on what what error you grew
Speaker 1: up in. So you know Steph Curry just like t
Speaker 1: Just like TJ said, I don't know about the most influential,
Speaker 1: but I just think I just think about guys. I'm
Speaker 1: a basketball story and guys like Walt Frazier, John Stockton
Speaker 1: in fifteen thousand assists, you know, Chris Paul ten thousand,
Speaker 1: still trying to catch John Stockton. But it all comes
Speaker 1: down to where are you grew up in And you're
Speaker 1: talking about some of the best three point shooters of
Speaker 1: all time. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around
Speaker 1: Steph Curry being the the NBA all time leading three
Speaker 1: point score Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, you know guys of
Speaker 1: that nature. When I think about three point shooting, nothing
Speaker 1: think about those two guys. But you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at this, when you look at his stats as
Speaker 1: far as far as what he's doing, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess you can say in this generation, you know,
Speaker 1: for my for my kids, that Steph Curry is the
Speaker 1: best point guard of all time. But I would disagree,
Speaker 1: and I will never go against the great Irvin Magic Johnson,
Speaker 1: who is from who hails from East Lansing, Michigan. And
Speaker 1: it was also a Michigan State spartan, So Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: for me, Okay, all right, alrighty then East Lansing I
Speaker 1: have slug bring Magic up because I'm like, I knew
Speaker 1: Plax was bringing him up that Michigan state connection already.
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