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Speaker 1: Well, good to see everyone. Welcome back to Between the Horns,

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Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyo the Dealers. It is

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Speaker 1: the first day of spring. Thank you for taking a

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Speaker 1: break from your brackets to check in and catch up

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Speaker 1: with Maurice Jones, Drew and to Marco far Is.

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Speaker 2: It the first day of spring? I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what time of year it is?

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Speaker 2: Free agency though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you guys?

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Speaker 2: I just feet out that March madness was going on. Wow,

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Speaker 2: good to see you guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's so happy to be back. It's it's fun.

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Speaker 3: It's great. Glad Nine's back in the building.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I loved you on Good Morning Football.

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Speaker 2: Fun, so much fun. I was getting dressed right in

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Speaker 2: front of his locker every single day. Absolutely. You had

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Speaker 2: a great story too about seventy five, which is awesome,

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Speaker 2: great storytelling. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome watching.

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Speaker 1: Are those mornings though?

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Speaker 2: Alarm kind of harsh but fun. You get used to

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Speaker 2: it though. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The car ride in and they set me a car

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Speaker 3: to pick me up home. Yeah, I got you, oh

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Speaker 3: big time. Yeah, I missed those rights.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is all just a ruse. We're not

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Speaker 1: really doing a show today. We've all just gathered to

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Speaker 1: celebrate the fortieth birthday of Maurice Jones.

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Speaker 2: Oh look at your yes, thank you, Happy birthday the club. Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know back was hurting yesterday. Yeah, I got a

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Speaker 2: couple more days, but is already feeling like forty You know,

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Speaker 2: you wake up like what happened? Why does my toe hurt?

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Speaker 2: But then it hurts here? This is all the stuff.

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Speaker 3: Get ready to spray in the neck, putting on a belt. See,

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Speaker 3: strange things happen. That's why I'm trying to get.

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Speaker 1: Any plans that you can share with us. Uh, clearly

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Speaker 1: we weren't invited to whatever they.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no plans yet. I am taking the family

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Speaker 2: to China this summer, so that's the big plan. Nice,

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Speaker 2: So I'll to celebrate there, I guess congratulation. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: There you go, another modish, old tone of sorts. DeMarco

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Speaker 1: clearly predates us, and we love his history with this organization.

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Speaker 1: But the start of year ten want to call out,

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Speaker 1: Wow for Maurice, for me for the rams backard in

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Speaker 2: Weird, weird, weird, weird, It's weird?

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Speaker 1: Is it weird?

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Speaker 3: Because it's gone fast, but it hasn't gone fast. And

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Speaker 3: it's been ten years, but it doesn't seem like ten.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. I remember our first year being in

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Speaker 2: New York and as going to the bar to watch

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Speaker 2: the college game. That felt like yesterday, but it was

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Speaker 2: ten years ago. How do those things just pop up?

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Speaker 2: All those are good moments? Are you going to finish

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Speaker 2: that story in there? That's why I stopped it there

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Speaker 2: and I just left it at that.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that bus ride to the metal. M

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're reminiscing before we get to free agency,

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Speaker 1: before we get to our updated hopes and expectations for

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Speaker 1: the draft. We're also going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the lay of the land in the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: We got to say for farewell to Cooper Cup and

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Speaker 1: just kind of revisit some of what was I think

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Speaker 1: a great chapter in Rams history that unfortunately ends here

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Speaker 1: this offseason. You want to start with your reactions. I

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Speaker 1: know there's some water under the bridge, but when you

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm meant by weird.

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Speaker 3: It's been ten years and you know, coming this September,

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Speaker 3: it'll be the first time without Cooper Cup, and that's

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Speaker 3: going to be strange. I guess not the first time,

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Speaker 3: but it's gonna be weird to not have him out there.

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Speaker 3: And that was the toughest thing when we got the

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Speaker 3: Cooper Cup moment. I mean, my god, how do you

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Speaker 2: Right? You know what I mean? Or which era are

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Speaker 3: Because he was pretty dominant with both guys, But it

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Speaker 3: seemed like when nine got here, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup,

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Speaker 2: That was their thing.

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Speaker 3: But there's so many someone he catches it some when

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the nature of this business, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's the one thing that you hate because you've

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Speaker 2: And JB was like, why, why don't you think he

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Speaker 2: I don't think he has juice.

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Speaker 1: But we can't talk about the Marshon Latimore stiff on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what he shook about four or five guys.

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Speaker 1: I was number two on my list.

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Speaker 2: There see, there you go. I just it was the

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Speaker 2: of character. You always talk about Cooper company out a character.

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Speaker 2: If you remember in the super Bowl, it was either

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Speaker 1: Champion going, that's number three on my list. Where he

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Those are the two things that were that that

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Speaker 1: Because he scored a couple of touchdowns in that game

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Speaker 1: and that was special. He scored twenty two touchdowns that year,

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Speaker 1: I think, and never did anything except hand the football

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Speaker 1: to the official ball. But when he caught that third

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Speaker 1: of the game? No, that was that was right up there.

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Speaker 1: The Tampa Yes, because my theme was none of them

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Speaker 2: That was at the goal post, right straight up, right

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Speaker 1: Was like, Okay, if he can withstand that, if he

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Speaker 1: let that moment define their first Sean McVay year. Then

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Speaker 1: a lot of good things are going to happen in

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Speaker 3: Remember that game again Minnesota in the coliseum where the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, hold on, relax, I'm just saying it shouldn't

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Speaker 3: I get it your adherence to Tampa too, but it's

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Speaker 3: clearly not working. But yeah, just so many memories, yes,

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Speaker 1: And the rotating cast of characters around them. Like we're

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Speaker 1: edition of what eleven personnel might look like for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five rams. But think of the running mates

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just remember the way Robert Woods played

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Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks, There were so many guys that came in

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Speaker 2: all one consistent was Third and Cup, no doubt that

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that first training camp too, and we

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Speaker 1: won't mention who it was that kind of split out

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Speaker 1: you can understand why McVeigh and company quickly decided, Okay,

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Speaker 3: As a sea I hope he doesn't turn into Steve

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Speaker 3: Largent up there, because he might, because you've given him

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Speaker 3: everything he needed. You're doubting him again. Remember what he

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Speaker 3: he do to every Pac twelve team he played?

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Speaker 2: Destroyed him? So you've given him what he wanted, and

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Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't turn in the Largent.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying underestimating keeper Cup is kind of the

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Speaker 2: As of course, yes, I think if you look at

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Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt you, but you're like one of the

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Speaker 1: few people who's used those words so far with it

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Speaker 2: Good for Sam Darnold to have that guy up there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people are criticizing that

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Speaker 1: I can justify just about every choice they've made. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of the wild card that they have

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Speaker 1: and you know they have a vision. I just don't

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Speaker 2: I've talked to, I've talked a lot of their coaches

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Speaker 2: and didn't make the playoffs because they couldn't run the football.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't they couldn't control the line of scrimmage. Their

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage and takes shots down the field. I personally

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Speaker 2: thought Stefan Diggs was gonna go there right wow, because

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Speaker 2: again Kubiak was in Minnesota, same offense, similar quarterback to

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Speaker 2: case Keenum and kind of what they did there. But

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup going there now with js in and who

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Speaker 2: else they.

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Speaker 1: Do you mout wide?

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Speaker 2: I remember wide in their twenty one packages. Yes, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna be a twenty one team. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: be an eleven. There'll be a twenty one team. Then

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Speaker 2: they'll move to eleven and that's when you're gonna see

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Speaker 2: the option routes. But he's gonna be an outside guy

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Speaker 2: running those deep ends. They love deep ends, right, and

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Speaker 2: that he caught early in Jared's career.

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Speaker 3: As an opener, Yes, it has to be yes standing

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Speaker 3: O for the man too. Yes, really show your appreciation, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: show your appreciation standing oh, and then get after me.

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Speaker 1: Could we see more drop back game? Sure, you go

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Speaker 1: And everything we talk about from here on out is

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Speaker 1: Let's stay on the offensive line for what I think

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Speaker 1: to getting that right pre and post snap in a

437
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Speaker 1: way that maybe we didn't appreciate how much Coleman.

438
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Speaker 3: Was doing, no doubt, And as soon as I saw

439
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 3: when he was when Coleman Shelton was signed here, I

440
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 3: went back and looked. I think he's made forty seven

441
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 3: starts in the last three seasons.

442
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 2: I don't think he's coming here to back up. I

443
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 2: think I think he's coming here to compete for a job.

444
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 2: And I thought the word you were trying not to

445
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: use was controversy. I don't mind that competition even works better.

446
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: So if Limber can hold on to the spot, great,

447
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: that makes him a better center. If Shelton ascends to

448
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 2: the number one spot, great, that's an experienced center with

449
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: damn near fifty snaps fifty starts in three years. That's

450
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 2: only going to help your offense. I think the biggest thing,

451
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 2: and Jamie we talked about it a little bit, was

452
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 2: the communication.

453
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Speaker 1: That was the c word. Competition is a good one,

454
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: but that.

455
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: Carter, that's what you saw when you go back and

456
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: watch the Philadelphia Eagles game on that last drive, Carter

457
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 2: wasn't blocked because there was a lack of communication. You

458
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 2: have the center looking to help left and the right

459
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: guard looking to help right, and you got the guy

460
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: that's been disrupting everything right between them right and so

461
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: communicating and being on the same page as the offensive line.

462
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 2: All those things are all about Matthew Stafford right, being

463
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: able to set that pocket where he can step up

464
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 2: in and see and make those throws. That's going to

465
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: be important. And you saw even though I thought bo

466
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 2: Limber played lights out, I thought he did an awesome

467
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 2: job and physically was there, but because he's a rookie,

468
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: the communication was lacking right. And in the NFL, I've

469
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 2: always again talked play with a bunch of coaches and

470
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Speaker 2: coached by a bunch of guys. They all said the

471
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Speaker 2: same thing. Communication is key. There is no communication that's

472
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Speaker 2: in everything, relationships, life. If you can't communicate, there's no

473
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Speaker 2: success that's going to happen. So you're got to get

474
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Speaker 2: one of the better communicators at center in your system

475
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Speaker 2: back a starter.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably the name in the early years

477
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: of this era that we don't talk nearly enough about,

478
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Speaker 1: John Sullivan.

479
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sully. Yeah. Man, until the legs gave out,

480
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: he was great.

481
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Speaker 1: And then the Super Bowl season people don't remember. You

482
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: kind of got a Pro Bowl season out of Brian Allen.

483
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: You did.

484
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: And then again like things happened with Coleman Shelton in

485
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Speaker 1: that place.

486
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: So what's the most important thing about Coleman Shelton.

487
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: He went to your he's a husky.

488
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 2: There you go. Communication. Here you go.

489
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Speaker 1: As great a football communicator as he is. He's a

490
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Speaker 1: man of very few words though, so he may not

491
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Speaker 1: say it at the podium, but he'll say it. I

492
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Speaker 1: promise we're going to get the DeVante Adam to stand by.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: But if you check the tape from our season finale

495
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Speaker 1: edition of Between the Horns, I forget what.

496
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: We called it.

497
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Speaker 1: One of our closing thoughts was if the goal, if

498
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Speaker 1: the ambition this offseason is to get faster and more

499
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Speaker 1: explosive at the skill positions, then how can you let

500
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Speaker 1: the fastest, most explosive skill player that you have get

501
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Speaker 1: out of the building and you know that we're all

502
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: to two stands here on this set. Good to have

503
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: two to two at will back because now that you

504
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: see the vision, I don't think he can do it

505
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: without someone of his explosiveness.

506
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Speaker 2: I just don't know how he's He's literally wide open

507
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: all the time, like, regardless of what goes on, the

508
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: fact that every time Stafford throws in the ball, there's

509
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: five yards or more in between him and the next

510
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: defender tells me he should have been here.

511
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Speaker 1: And I get the criticism or the caution will they

512
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Speaker 1: use him? Will they use them?

513
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: Criticism?

514
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this contract says their planning years.

515
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Speaker 3: It's always weird defending to to because you would think

516
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 3: that he can't play. He can play. He's a really

517
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 3: good receiver. They just didn't use him a lot. I

518
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: think that might change now. When you guys look up

519
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: receiver stats, what numbers do you look at touchdowns will

520
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: be number one. Yards what about yards per catch? Sure

521
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: he's up over thirteen. I mean that's Jamar Chase. I'm

522
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: on Saint Brown is at ten.

523
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Speaker 1: And that's not baking in the past interference penalties that

524
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: he draws. Otherwise the number.

525
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Speaker 3: Would be he can play. So I hope, like I

526
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 3: said to to stays healthy. He did last year one

527
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: of I think there were two receivers that were healthy

528
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: for all seventeen. He was one of them, including the

529
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Speaker 3: playoff game. So tough as nails. I hope he gets

530
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: used in a way that you could he could show

531
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Speaker 3: off that speed.

532
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: I still think they were trying to figure out how

533
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: to utilize him too, because there was you started seeing

534
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: him aout motions, but towards the end of the season

535
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: he started becoming running dig routes. I mean, he did everything.

536
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: And so to me, when I think it's hard when

537
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: you have Cooper Cup who runs a lot of the

538
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: intermediate routes, and then you only put him in a

539
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: position to say, hey, you're going to be the deep guy.

540
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: But also DeMarcus Robinson's going to be that guy too,

541
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: and also Puka's going to have his deep shots too,

542
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: So your reps are going to come down. Now you're

543
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of being in a position to be able to

544
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Speaker 2: do everything again with obviously the addition.

545
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Speaker 1: Of the next guy we'll talk about, all right, go ahead,

546
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: you talk about him first.

547
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Davante Adams is the Krim Dela Krim

548
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: of release game. And one of the issues that the

549
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: Rams have had is getting off of press and getting

550
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: off of releases. As of late, it wasn't like younger

551
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: younger years, you have the motions and guys are finding ways.

552
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: But now you have an X receiver in the tight

553
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: red zone where you can say here, run a slant

554
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: or run a fade, or here we can put you

555
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: a slot and you can run that option route and breakout.

556
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: And we have a guy you could do so much

557
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: more with him because of his releases and how physical

558
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: he is as a wide receiver. And then he still

559
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: has the ability to stretch the field if you need

560
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: him to to get one A, one B type of receivers.

561
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: And I and again people are gonna say, well, Cooper Cup,

562
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: and you're right, but I think Cooper Cup's ability to

563
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: not be available over the last couple of seasons it's

564
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: hurt him where DeVante Adams has been available over the

565
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: last couple of seas. Wow, if you're trying to compare

566
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: the two, I'd say DeVante Adams is more dynamic than Cooper.

567
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, that's hard. I don't even

568
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: want to go there.

569
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Speaker 1: But guy, as a future Hall of Famer, we don't

570
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: have to compareison.

571
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: But I'm with you he is.

572
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: He presents too many unanswered questions in press coverage because

573
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anybody jam him off.

574
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: The line yet.

575
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: And I talked to him on the radio and I

576
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: didn't know he was a basketball player. So all this

577
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: stuff that we're seeing his point guard stuff, I'm like, Oh,

578
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: that's why it looks so familiar. That's why he gets

579
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: so open. But when I started thinking about him, I

580
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: started thinking about the red zone and how many times

581
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: the Rams actually attacked that back pylon. I think that

582
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: might change now with Davonte Adams. There's so many options

583
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: with him in the open field from twenty to twenty

584
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: and twenty in that's going to make you a better offense.

585
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: I've already heard that this is the closest the Rams

586
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: have had to since OBJ got it figured out in

587
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: the second half of that season, right, I could see

588
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: some of that big time. But the name that came

589
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: to mind for me is this is the closest thing

590
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: they've had since Sammy Watkins year because of the words

591
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, which were red zone. Yeah, I think

592
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: the way they operated with Sammy Watkins. I'm not saying

593
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: they're going to use the same blueprint, but I think

594
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: you could get the same efficiency on short fields that

595
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: you had because that, to me, was what Sammy Watkins

596
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: did best. And they had eight touchdowns that year.

597
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: Sammy couple had had like the courage of all thousand men. Yeah,

598
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: facing gun because like he would run right in the

599
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: middle of it and just catch the ball.

600
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: And then even though like you know, throwing the fade

601
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: ball is no longer in vogue, it's not like a

602
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: high percentage football play. If you were to come up

603
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: with a short list of guys to whom it's worth

604
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: throwing fadeballs, this guy's on that list.

605
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: But I also think this, Jamie, when you get inside

606
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: the five, there's only so many routes that you can run, right,

607
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: it's either crossing routes on the front of the goal

608
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: line or back in line. But if I could put

609
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: everybody to one side Davante one on one and not

610
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: see a safety there and say here, what off of

611
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: the levers that he's playing. Yeah, you better have an

612
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: all program or have a chance to win that.

613
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: In our time together, we've seen some great trios in

614
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: that huddle. I think for me, cup Woods Cooks was

615
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: like the best that it ever fit together. But if

616
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: you're going to have to be able to run with

617
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: two two, stick to Devonte Adams and tackle Puka ten

618
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: to twelve times per game, there's a good luck element

619
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: to that, And I wonder what your coverage options are

620
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: as a defense. That's how the Rams break the huddle.

621
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: You better have a pro bowler somewhere. Yeah, you're gonna

622
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: one on one with somebody, well, I think I think, Look,

623
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: there's two things you It's two ways to slices. Either

624
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna play coverage and let Stafford sit back there,

625
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: so you better have a tremendous pass rush. Right, you're

626
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: gonna play cover two zone and he's gonna find the

627
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: soft areas and hit guys in the in the in

628
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: the in the soft air on his own. Or you're

629
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: gonna play man. Somebody's then they're gonna get ran off.

630
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: You're gonna run a crossing routes. It's gonna make Adding

631
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: these pieces forces the game for Sean McVay to be

632
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: so much more simple in the passing game. It doesn't

633
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: have to be design all this stuff. It's gonna be okay,

634
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: as a manner zone. If it's man, we're gonna do this.

635
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: If his zone's gonna do that with a QB that

636
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: can get it there. Yeah, with velocity.

637
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: What's it mean for Jay Witt? Have you thought at

638
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: all about year two for him? Given the companies keeping.

639
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: He's got a good role, don't you. I think he

640
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: has a great role. Team's uh the part time receiver.

641
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: I think he's Pooka. He's Pookah number two.

642
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, So he'll come in the better he does,

643
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: the more perceptions he gets, more targets he gets.

644
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's got a role.

645
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: It doesn't change my appetite for another pass catcher in

646
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: this draft class, perhaps as early as twenty six? Does

647
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: that change anything for you?

648
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Would never say no, I don't. Twenty six is a

649
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 2: tough place to pick. It's not like thirty two, or

650
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: it's not like.

651
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: Twenty Okay, fair right, like say that for later.

652
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's tough.

653
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: You would not be surprised. I'm not surprised if the

654
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Rams fortify that room.

655
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I would be surprised. You would. They went and

656
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: drafted a receiver one and I would one drops at one? Yeah,

657
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: at one.

658
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying that one. Although Tetua McMillan's

659
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: four five forty did have me thinking.

660
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: If t Maac falls that O, Lord have mercy, then

661
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run the I'm gonna run it up to him, to.

662
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: Him, sorry to Marco. We may get through all this

663
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: no discussion. I know the player that you want to

664
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: talk about, because I think I texted you as soon

665
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: as the Punaford contract. Yeah, his finalized that I I

666
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: celebrated on behalf of Kobe Turner. Am I wrong to

667
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: be thinking along those lines?

668
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: It depends on how he likes playing the five or

669
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: which guy do you have playing the five? Because I

670
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: would have Fisk at the three because he's a good

671
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: pass rusher. So you got to put Kobe somewhere, So

672
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: that would be the Michael Brockers five spot, tough against

673
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: the run, straightened out against the pass, and be active,

674
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: but with all due respect, and I have to respect

675
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: the position more than the players and the name on

676
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: the back of the jersey. Pooniford is an upgradedt nose tackle,

677
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: he really is. So there's three ways you could judge

678
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 3: good nose tackles. You could look at his tackle stats.

679
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: If he's got sixty six tackles, he's obviously making plays.

680
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: If he's got forty four, look behind him. If the

681
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: guys behind him are up over one hundred, that means

682
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: he's doing his job. Another way is when you see

683
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: that guy shaded over the center to the right side

684
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: or the left side, especially snaphand. If that guy doesn't

685
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: get cut off ninety percent of the time, he's a

686
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: damn good nose tackle. When you watch poon a Ford,

687
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: it never happens. He breaks down and diagnoses blocks like that.

688
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: He will absolutely destroy your run game. For the first

689
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: six or seven weeks of this year. Of last season,

690
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: when he was in a Chargers uniform, I don't think

691
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: they had a run that broke for over twenty yards

692
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: all because of what he was doing in the middle.

693
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: This is a definite upgrade for this entire defense. It

694
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: will get you the obvious passing downs faster, which is good.

695
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: It sets you up for Verse Fisk and Kobe Turner.

696
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: This is an upgrade on defense.

697
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: So you say that, I just remember going to Seattle

698
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: and him just destroying the deer in the line, Like, okay,

699
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: so why can't we find this guy? And I thought

700
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: last year the Rams would try to make a play

701
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: for him, but it didn't happen, and so it's all good,

702
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: but to get him in the middle. I believe you're

703
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: exactly right, and I don't. I thought Bobby Brown did

704
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: a really good job and he showed up big in moments.

705
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: This more consistency would put afford and I think because

706
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: of his stature, it's gonna be harder for o' lineman

707
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: to get after. I played with the guy by the

708
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: named Roy Miller out of University of Texas. Roy was

709
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: like five eleven, three hundred and thirty five pounds, very

710
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: similar to putting forward, and he was like, I can

711
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: beat every cinner that's over six foot, Like, if you're

712
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: six to three, I can get I'll get under your automatically.

713
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: It's the little centers that give me the problem. And

714
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: there's not many of those guys in the game today.

715
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be mini centers like Brian Allen that

716
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: we had here that are shorter, squadier guys, and so

717
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: that's where you're going to dominate. He'll be able to

718
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: two gap, he gets sacks out of that. Whatever you want,

719
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: yeahever you want, he could do it all he is

720
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: and he has, say.

721
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: Yes, perfect size for nose cycle. You got to come

722
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: down there to block him.

723
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: And you look at the competition within the division. These

724
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: are not finalized rosters in Seattle or San Francisco. I

725
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: get it, but there are some deficiencies across the NFC

726
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: West on the interior of the offensive line right now,

727
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: and I think that's an area we'll see those opponents

728
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: address sooner rather than later. But it's nice to feel

729
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: that you've got an advantage in the trenches going up

730
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: against the opponents that you're gonna play twice per year.

731
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: And we mentioned Coleman Shelton and what happened in that

732
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: playoff game and what else happened in that playoff game.

733
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: Saquon got out at gosh about four or five times

734
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: both in both games. So sew that up and like

735
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: you said, force them to throw. You've got guys that

736
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: can get there.

737
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised to hear you say that whoever's playing

738
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker behind him is a winner in this signing.

739
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. I mean,

740
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: it depends on who that guy is, but I mean

741
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: he is going to take up to he is not

742
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: going to be out of his gap, and he makes

743
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: everybody better. That's the thing that I like most about

744
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: him coming out of the charge. Everywhere he's been, every

745
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: coach raves about him making other people better. So that

746
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: could be the guys behind or the guys lining up

747
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: right next to.

748
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: Him, you know.

749
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: Continuing the theme, I think the Rams doing a very targeted,

750
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: efficient job at addressing what you would qualify as needs

751
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: before the draft puts him in a great position turning

752
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: towards the spring. And I think that puzzle was completed

753
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: this week with a Kella Witherspoon back for more at corner,

754
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: because when you look at the cards that the Rams

755
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: can play off that deck at that spot, A Kello,

756
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Darius Kobe, Derrionn Kendrick coming back healthy. Saw him today

757
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: at the facility. A couple of rookies they like in

758
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Josh Wallace and Charles Woods and do not forget about

759
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: a former number one pick and Emmanuel Forbes who they

760
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: threw a dart with in the middle of last season,

761
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and they'll almost certainly later into that group. I get it.

762
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: But you could do worse going into OTAs than that

763
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: group returning that corner. Oh oh yeah.

764
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what if Keller Wismom was

765
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: like drinking acid and eating razor blades last year, but

766
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: he had it become a physical player, yeah, and that

767
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: physicality really took his game to the next level. I

768
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: thought Darris Williams going there just being a guy where

769
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be all the time. That interception against

770
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: the Niners is still that game. That is what you

771
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: get from Darres. He's always going to be where he's

772
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: supposed to be, and he'll gamble and take a chance

773
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: when he knows it's there and it's right. But he's

774
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: always where he's supposed to be. And when you have

775
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: two cores that can do that, you can then allow

776
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: other guys to feel in. Kobe Durant comes in and

777
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: becomes this you know, that playoff game crazy like you know,

778
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: interceptions and getting sacks and it just the way they

779
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: play together. And if you do add to that, there's

780
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: already competition in this room. If you do add to that,

781
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: it's only going to make it better. And I only

782
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: think that that secondary works because of what you did

783
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: with the defensive line though, oh no doubt.

784
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: But it's funny when you see players and I talked

785
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: a lot about a Kello and when you see the

786
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: light come on physically, you can see it how the

787
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: game just slows down and he gets more and more confident,

788
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 3: like I can make this play, I can step in front.

789
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: It's not luck. He's actually saw it. He made the play.

790
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: So but I wouldn't be shy about adding talent to

791
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: that room at all, especially if I could add premium

792
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: talent to that room.

793
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: So be it. In my opinion, you can never have

794
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: enough good coins.

795
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's a position where any chance you get to

796
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: add premium talent. But I think you can take it

797
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: with an eye towards contributing in twenty five, starting in

798
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: twenty six, differently than if you didn't have a Kello Witherspoon.

799
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you didn't have a Punaford signed

800
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: and free agency, you might have to operate differently come April.

801
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Even Nate Lanman signing this week. Special team's depth perhaps

802
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: linebacker depth for sure played in a adjacent system in Atlanta.

803
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: I think another shrewd move tackling machine, underrated coverage ability

804
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: generates takeaways, and Ronnie Rivers back as well.

805
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

806
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of special team's depth and another running back option,

807
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: all right, I want to talk some draft.

808
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: Let's go.

809
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: How have the last few weeks shaped your thinking about

810
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: what the Rams are going to attempt to do in

811
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: a month's time.

812
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: Uh, I've been looking at inside linebackers.

813
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: Okay, is that fair?

814
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: At what? What round? Any round?

815
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the depth of field of inside

816
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: linebackers and adding some quickness and some speed there. I

817
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: mean when you look at the roster, I mean I

818
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: know you're you. You mentioned tight ends, right.

819
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: And if I haven't yet, I'll say it now.

820
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Oh my bad?

821
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah, just but when you look at the

822
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: roster the way it is now, I guess the biggest

823
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: hole would be at inside linebacker. You could add more

824
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: talent there. So that's what I've been looking at. Outside

825
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: of corners. I don't think you need pass rushers running

826
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: back you might be set quarterback, receiver maybe so so

827
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: definitely looking on the defensive side, and at linebacker.

828
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: You always can add pass rushers. Always like to me

829
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: at the position, I look at it as what I

830
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: would do. Whatever I do at twenty six determines what

831
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: the rest of this draft is going to be. If

832
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: there is a dominant or pastors that I feel comfortable with,

833
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take them because I have space for a

834
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: guy like that where Michael Hoyt left. Yeah, I can

835
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: implement him there right, or pass protection or tackle right.

836
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: I think you need another tackle to go in and

837
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: be able to work behind Havenstein. As he gets going

838
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: and he gets older, you want to have his replacement there,

839
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: and you always want to build in the trenches. I

840
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 2: think then you look to off ball linebacker maybe fourth

841
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: or fifth round later this guys again, athletic guys that

842
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: can run, because we don't need a guy that's going

843
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: to be a traditional three to four hit the guard,

844
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: but the gard up you have those guys taking up

845
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: in front. I need guys that can cover and run.

846
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: Tight End is always there, but like see, the problem

847
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: with me is tight ends a position. If you don't

848
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: have the top two guys, you can wait right and

849
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: then that And that's that's very different from pass rusher, right,

850
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: because I think pass rusher, you want those top guys

851
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: because it's a big difference between the other guys, right

852
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: and so, and I still think, yeah, you're looking for

853
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: a running back. I'm still want to add to that

854
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: running back room. I want to I want to continue

855
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: to add to that.

856
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: You've done your homework. This is reputed as a great

857
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: running back draft on all three days. How does it

858
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: shake out in your estimation?

859
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: It's it's a there's a lot of guys that fit

860
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: the system that we run. There's a lot of guys

861
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: that fit the outside zone systems you see in San Francisco,

862
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: we'll see in Seattle. Though, there are those guys. I

863
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: think you could get those guys. To me, this is

864
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: a draft of there's probably seven guys that I can

865
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 2: say are day one, Day two guys that can fit

866
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: most systems. There's four that can fit every system that

867
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: would if you're a running back away like a Philly

868
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: was last year. If you feel like we just need

869
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: a running game, there's three dudes in this draft that

870
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: can be that guy for you. Really, at least.

871
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: Three because of what the Rams have done in recent weeks.

872
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a position group that would surprise me,

873
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, come that last weekend in April. In terms

874
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: of the day one opportunity, I tend to think because

875
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: of the premium value, you got to go for a

876
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: premium position there, and that means pass throwers, pass catchers,

877
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: pass rushers, or pass defenders. Those are typically the four

878
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: categories that I look for in a first round pick.

879
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: But I love the time on task for this group

880
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: right front office coaching staff, because I think last year

881
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: was really informative. Were any of us sitting here twelve

882
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: months ago saying they gotta have Jared Verse. If there's

883
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: any path to Jared Verse, they got to take it.

884
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: I don't know the other guy, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: But then six quarterbacks go and fourteen straight offensive players go,

886
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, you're sitting there like drafting

887
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: in your top five in terms of your defensive board,

888
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: and you end up with not just one defensive rookie

889
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: of the year, but two. For all intents and purposes.

890
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that that same formula is going to

891
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: work this year, but I do think there's a privilege

892
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: to being patient that who knows, Like maybe at twenty

893
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: six the quarterbacks that someone's interested in is still there.

894
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: That would surprise me.

895
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: And a quarterback needy team that doesn't want to sleep

896
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: on Thursday night without knowing who their next option is

897
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: picks up the phone like that would be ideal because

898
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: to me, the gap, I think it's like sixty picks

899
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: between twenty six and ninety that's too much. That's too

900
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: much for my liking to not have a second round.

901
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Wow, which quarterback may slip the twenty six dark dark?

902
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: You know what's funny? It reminds me of what Baltimore

903
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: did with Lamar Jackson that year. Yea, all those quarterbacks

904
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: went and Lamar was still sitting there, and then Baltimore

905
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: creeps up and goes and gets them, all of them.

906
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: You can see that as well. You can see that

907
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: ability happening. Man. That is a lot of picks.

908
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: That's a lot of picks, a lot of players off

909
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: the board. I think the only thing that would surprise

910
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: me is if you draft a punter.

911
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: But no, that's different.

912
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: It is nice going into your offseason feeling like you

913
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: know who your specialists are. That's a good feeling. Do

914
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: you guys, mind taking a quick lap around the NFC

915
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: West because obviously you're kind of watching the Niners, the Seahawks,

916
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals go through their offseason.

917
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: Hold on, did you see Ethan Evans squat on video?

918
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: Did you?

919
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Did?

920
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: You? Did you? Did you see that? I did?

921
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was told to stop doing that.

922
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 2: That's the punter.

923
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, squatting like seven hundred pounds too much. That's ridiculous. Okay, sorry,

924
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: go ahead.

925
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: Uh pick a team you want, Niner, Seahawks, Cardinals.

926
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Where do you want to score? Niners? First? Yeah? Is

927
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: the window closed? It might be you gotta pay you

928
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: gotta pay your quarterback now. Yeah, it's an all fucking games? Yes? Yeah?

929
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: How about the purging of this Super Bowl roster? Debo Banks,

930
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Hard Grave, Floyd greenlaw Ward Funga, even Mason.

931
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: There's rumors up there that I may be on the

932
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: on the trade block story.

933
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, don't forget the fourth place schedule.

934
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: That's the thing, the fourth race. I mean I saw that. Wow.

935
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean they play the Giants, Bears, Browns instead of Eagles, Lions, Ravens.

936
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: Just in terms of apples to apples.

937
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: That's scheduleless number less. Yeah, happy happy, some of those

938
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: ram killers are gone and their old line is yesled

939
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: big time. Yes good. I don't know how to say it,

940
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: but good. I will say this the biggest one that

941
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: I was so happy about. And again I'm in the Bears,

942
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: all my friends and everyone's Niner fans. Debo, No, I

943
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: love to keep debo. Oh green Laws not around. Oh yeah,

944
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: my goodness. When he came back on that Thursday night,

945
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: he had about seven hundred tackles in the first seven

946
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: it was like he was tackling everybody. Warner and green

947
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: Law dangerous. Yeah, I'm okay with Warner. Yeah yeah, but

948
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: both Yeah, remember we were It was like he made

949
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: every tackle for like twenty plays in a row. It

950
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: was like, okay in the first half, yeah, it was

951
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: like this guy, we can't have this guy out in

952
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: New York.

953
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: So let me jump to The Cardinals signed Josh Schwett

954
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: as kind of the Eagles makeover. In the Desert continues

955
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson for to find their interior L J. Collier

956
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: and I think pick sixteen is will to go with

957
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: it and money still to spend. Why you cringing?

958
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: They're they're building something down there. I don't know what

959
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: it is. They fixed last year with the three tight

960
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: ends and the physicality on offense and they kind of

961
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: started figuring something out then. Defensively, Dalvin Thompson scares me

962
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: because that is a big man in the middle. And

963
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: if you are building what you had in Philly, you

964
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: build it on the inside. You build literally from the

965
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: inside out. You get two defensive tackles that have to

966
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: take up double team, so your edge guys can just

967
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: go that's all they want to do.

968
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: Sweat is one of the best edge guys out there.

969
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Best edge guy they've had since Chandler Jones, I think

970
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: that or.

971
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: The guy that we played in Week two.

972
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: Oh well yeah, yeah he went crazy because Jackson wasn't there.

973
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, he might be their best edge

974
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: guy in years. So always a problem. The only thing

975
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: that you can't predict about Arizona is their quarterback. If

976
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 3: you catch Kyler when he's on, when he's on one,

977
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: he's almost unstoppable. But the problem is the bad when

978
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: call of duty is not on that right right right,

979
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: double time.

980
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: You've got the gaming creds to say something.

981
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: I just I just I just I've just heard.

982
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: I just heard, and I know we touched on the

983
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Seahawks a little bit, but just to circle back again

984
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: in isolation, can I understand going from Gino to Donold,

985
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: especially given the offensive system change, the pick comp the money,

986
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: The money money sure huge.

987
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: Can you can you.

988
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: Make the case that DK isn't worth top three or

989
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: four wide receiver money? I get that, But did the

990
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: Seahawks get better so far this off season? I think

991
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: that's a difficult case to make.

992
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't know if they got better

993
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: or not. But you're losing a lot of talent, but

994
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: you're also losing when they fired their o C. I

995
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: knew that whole thing was going to change yet right,

996
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: and you have to now build for whatever this OC wants.

997
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: And the only part about it is, you know how

998
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: it is in Seattle, like it's old wet that run

999
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: game when they were when Seattle's been at their best,

1000
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: and they hear them talk about this, and I don't

1001
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: know if you guys heard, they felt like they they

1002
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: lost their home field advantage in Seattle when we was

1003
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: Seattle always that was when you were handing the ball

1004
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: to Marshawn Lynch and playing a crazy defense, and that's

1005
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: what they're trying to get back to. So maybe they

1006
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: have gotten better, right, well went out? Yeah, just because

1007
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: they're they're switching up to their.

1008
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: Mentality, getting back to that their identity. You know what

1009
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: I thought. It seems like they are sweeping the last

1010
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: of the Pete Carroll guys out the door. And this

1011
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: is an entirely new thing we're doing here, and it

1012
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: makes sense you want to put your own staff on

1013
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: this football team. So yeah, did they get better or worse?

1014
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: We're going to see and loan behold piece back to

1015
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: receive at least one of those getting Yes. I had

1016
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: one other early thought on the NFC that I just

1017
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of plant this seat because I have

1018
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: a feeling that's going to be a theme when we

1019
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: start to get together next fall. I got three teams

1020
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: that need to improve for the good of the Rams,

1021
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: and you might not expect to hear these. I got

1022
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Chicago Bears.

1023
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: Here's why the NFC East crosses over with the NFC North,

1024
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: and those divisions produce five of the seven playoff teams

1025
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: last year. So I need the Giants and the Bears

1026
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: to take a game off the Niners. I need the

1027
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys to not let the Eagles and the Lions and

1028
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: the Packers and Vikings win fourteen. I think they've taken

1029
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: a nice step.

1030
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: I think they've done a great job. Again, a lot

1031
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: of teams are building that guard center, guard area. They

1032
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: did an awesome job of doing that. And then you're

1033
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: gonna probably add another running back, which rumor is gent

1034
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: in the first round. Yeah, you get that. Now you

1035
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: have your two headed monster, you have your receivers on

1036
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: the outside.

1037
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 3: I've asked this before. Give me your greatest Chicago Bear quarterback.

1038
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: Everybody goes down Cutler before or after maybe Cutler, maybe McMahon.

1039
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: That is a meat grinder for quarterbacks. It is, it is,

1040
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 3: it's cold. That place is built to run the football

1041
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: and play the Anything outside of that, I think you're

1042
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: whistling Dixie.

1043
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see.

1044
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: Just saying the Giants, Cowboys, and Bears taking a step

1045
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: forward in terms of the rams competition in the NFC

1046
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: this year could be critically important.

1047
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: I understand the Cowboys, Giants, I just.

1048
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Right what the quarterback is going to be yet, So

1049
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: they don't have a quarterback.

1050
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: They've given everyone else their top player. Like the Eagles

1051
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: got another guy just went from the Giants at the

1052
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: Eagles that can rush the quarterback. It's just like, hey,

1053
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: you know what, don't worry about it. Just go to Philly.

1054
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: We'll take well, we'll worry about it later. I know

1055
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: a quarterback that was in New York.

1056
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: Looking for a place there. I mean, you plug him

1057
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: in to that offense, you could do work.

1058
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: You're instantly better. I don't know how good you're going

1059
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: to be, but you're better. Yeah, he's not gonna no,

1060
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: he can't make any they can't protect him. Yeah, he

1061
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: has to the best place that I know is a

1062
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: little off. The best place for him to go is

1063
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh because they have an offensive line in front, they

1064
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: have those two guys with the outside. He'll be happy.

1065
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Just no media, well there's no media in Pittburg. Yeah,

1066
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: think about that. No home studio. You're just a quarterback. Now,

1067
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: there you go.

1068
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: Here's the year ten. I know you. Last year was

1069
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: your twenty fifth anniversary, which was awesome to celebrates forty

1070
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: of the Super just the rams of the championship. Here's

1071
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: to year ten together. Love you guys, I love you guys. Awesome,

1072
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: let's go. I love you guys, love you. Yes, it

1073
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: is nice to be back. Thank you for your patience

1074
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: with us this offseason and for spending some time as

1075
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: we get our mind locked back in for twenty twenty

1076
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: five RAMS football. Maurice Jones Drew, DeMarco Farr j B

1077
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: Long between the horns, always presented by your Southern California toy.

1078
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: The Dealers. Forty year old Maurice Jones drew, that's

1079
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Right, next time we see him.