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Speaker 1: this being the first, of course, and I am, of
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Speaker 1: good lord, have we all seen some cramp. Our first
Speaker 1: contestants are the remarkable Edward On Guaser of the Tech
Speaker 1: Bubble newsletter ed Hello, And of course we've got ed Niedermayer,
Speaker 1: the author, and of course he's the co host of
Speaker 1: the autono Cast. Howdy, And we've got Gay Davis. It
Speaker 1: could happen here. Yeah, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: The only non ed present.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got three ads and one gear and I
Speaker 1: think that that the mathematics works there. I was at
Speaker 1: the convention center today. I power walk through two holes
Speaker 1: in the space of a morning. I pray for death,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to start with the fact that I
Speaker 1: think smart glasses are evil. I tried several ones of them,
Speaker 1: and there was one where I put them on and
Speaker 1: it's meant to be you meant to look at your
Speaker 1: photos in there, you meant to listen to music and
Speaker 1: all this, and it was blur. I just go, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really blurring, and go goes yeah and just looks
Speaker 1: at me. I'm like, you know, He's like yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how much is it twelve hundred dollars. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh great. He's like yeah, but that's with discounts, And
Speaker 1: it's just like, who the fuck. I know that there's
Speaker 1: the whole thing about assistive technologies that's cool nor but
Speaker 1: it's like, who the fuck is this actually for? I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of lost.
Speaker 4: I had a similar feeling. There is a lot of
Speaker 4: times I would come across assistive tact that I'd be like,
Speaker 4: this is interesting, and then I get introduced to the
Speaker 4: rest of the ecosystem, which itself is dubious, or there
Speaker 4: are other there are other additions or features that don't
Speaker 4: really seem to need to be grafted on. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think similarly with smart glasses, you know, I feel
Speaker 4: like the only ones I saw that I was interested
Speaker 4: in were some that allowed you to hear better and
Speaker 4: functioned as like a hearing aid, but then almost yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, okay, if you if you really
Speaker 4: don't want to wear a hearing aid, you know, if
Speaker 4: you're really self conscious about that, even though we have
Speaker 4: invisible on ones. But I saw these eating there's an
Speaker 4: app and the and an ecosystem you have to get
Speaker 4: locked into.
Speaker 1: The worst ones I saw and I hate to chit
Speaker 1: talk specific company. When they were is the even G
Speaker 1: two a's and what the word you put them on
Speaker 1: and they had like a look like the pit boy.
Speaker 1: It was like green and black. Yeah, and I had
Speaker 1: this ring yet to put a ring on and control them,
Speaker 1: and the ring didn't work, like you had to like
Speaker 1: violently smack your smack your finger like you you can't
Speaker 1: see this, you're listening to a podcast. But I'm just
Speaker 1: like smashing my aura ring with my thumb and it
Speaker 1: wasn't working. And I turned to them went yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not really working. They just went, yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it rocks about technology. We're just like a mate,
Speaker 1: you know, it just fucking so, I don't know, mate,
Speaker 1: what to tell you.
Speaker 5: But like technology is not cutting edge unless it's janky, right,
Speaker 5: I mean that's kind of part of the deal. Like,
Speaker 5: like cutting edge has become this term that we think
Speaker 5: of as just like good, but really the definition of
Speaker 5: it is that it's like not fully developed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it used to be. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm having some nostalgia here. Maybe it's not true, but
Speaker 1: it felt like about ten years ago CS you'd see
Speaker 1: something here and then when it came out, it'd be complete.
Speaker 1: Now it's just they release everything in alpha. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: living in the world that that Elon must create. I
Speaker 1: mean wasctive, but I was literally gonna say, you're an
Speaker 1: Elon musk head, a big a big Elons Elon stan Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah he really has in the ear of just bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like I mean, if we live in a
Speaker 5: world where you can promise, you know, specifically, like your
Speaker 5: car will be able to do level five attime, this
Speaker 5: is like a very specifically you know, defined thing and
Speaker 5: you can get away with We're saying end of the
Speaker 5: year ten years in a row, which is where we're
Speaker 5: at now, it'll be it'll actually be the tenere anniversary
Speaker 5: in the fall. That's nice, Like these are things people
Speaker 5: people see these things happen and they're like, well, why
Speaker 5: not me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why should I fucking bother? So, Ed, you've been
Speaker 1: on the floor. What you see today? What kind of
Speaker 1: what kind of cramp? I mean?
Speaker 4: I saw a lot of stuff that was uh categorized
Speaker 4: around let's say age tech. You know. So the so
Speaker 4: the goal here is you have AI companion bots or
Speaker 4: chatbots that you speak to. You have smart homes and
Speaker 4: surveillance systems that constantly log your information and give people
Speaker 4: away from you, Yeah, insight into your home. You're generating
Speaker 4: as much data as possible to feed into something that
Speaker 4: can analyze it.
Speaker 1: I saw this tech I still like a Boston Dynamics
Speaker 1: looking ass dog right boat thing, and it was by
Speaker 1: this very I think you should leave style thing of
Speaker 1: like a guy you'd fallen out of a hospital bed.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull this up just so you can see this.
Speaker 1: So if you like, this guy has fallen out of
Speaker 1: his bed and the dog is just looking at him,
Speaker 1: and it says, de cloak brain, He's just just lying
Speaker 1: on the floor. Now, I get that there's probably a
Speaker 1: reason like this, but are you saying that every hospital
Speaker 1: is just gonna be stalked by Boston Dynamics stocks going, yes,
Speaker 1: he's dead, he's fallen out of it. Is that cheaper
Speaker 1: than a person? I am? So?
Speaker 5: Is this is this being aimed at hospitals or is
Speaker 5: that like costs?
Speaker 1: It was not clear because there were tons of other
Speaker 1: use cases as well that were very vague, like old person,
Speaker 1: a neighborhood. Watch, what's that dog gonna do to me?
Speaker 1: I'll kick it so hard it flies, Yeah, well I'll
Speaker 1: send it to hell. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, like the whole thing of selling robots to
Speaker 5: consumers is really interesting because you know, all of the
Speaker 5: successful robots that that exist really are are not consumer facing.
Speaker 5: They exist in factories, these very like controlled environments. They
Speaker 5: do the same task over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: We know how to make straight forward right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly, And like a human home is not, you know,
Speaker 5: a constraint. I mean it's constrained, right, but like a
Speaker 5: lot of random stuff happens, they're relative to say a factory,
Speaker 5: and like a rumba is something that you can kind
Speaker 5: of work if all your floors are perfectly flat and
Speaker 5: you don't have transitions, and you know, but even that,
Speaker 5: like that's a successful product class relatively speaking, and it's
Speaker 5: really the only one in in consumer facing robots and
Speaker 5: actually a robot went went under, So.
Speaker 4: Right, why do you think why is there this constant
Speaker 4: term to reinvented or to reh you know, rediscover this
Speaker 4: path that ends and that goes down to dead end.
Speaker 5: So well, so I think what the reason the reason
Speaker 5: that that robots are being sold to consumers is because
Speaker 5: they know that consumers don't understand them. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: you mentioned all this age tech like selling sophisticated data
Speaker 5: driven technology to old people. Why do you do that? Yes,
Speaker 5: there there are some needs there, but also you know,
Speaker 5: wealthy people will will buy it without really thinking too
Speaker 5: too hard about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I talked with them, they were you know,
Speaker 4: with a lot of these firms, they're like, well, actually
Speaker 4: it's supposed to only be sold to like nursing homes
Speaker 4: and larger business U. But yeah, sometimes people buy them
Speaker 4: individually because they're really concerned about their family members. So
Speaker 4: I think, so, yeah, that's similar dynamic where it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, if you know it, and also if you
Speaker 4: want to take advantage of you probably just can't buy
Speaker 4: one for your you know, for your home. For your grandparent.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you see any robots, any anything robotic tap?
Speaker 6: I walked past the robot that you showed. But I've
Speaker 6: not really been looking for products and show floor but
Speaker 6: mostly been going back and forth to panels and keynotes.
Speaker 1: What'd you say? Tell me about some panels?
Speaker 6: I went to the like the ct A is a
Speaker 6: super technology association.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm a professional. And I also don't know.
Speaker 3: I know, I know who runs this convention.
Speaker 4: I went.
Speaker 3: I went to their keynote this morning, and they.
Speaker 6: Brought on like a few like CEOs from other other
Speaker 6: other companies, like they had They had Navidia guy on
Speaker 6: at the end.
Speaker 1: What he's anything interesting or is it just like a
Speaker 1: lot of woods Low? No, he was.
Speaker 6: He was talking with the CEO of I'm going to
Speaker 6: say Siemens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I And they were talking
Speaker 6: about like digital, uh, the use of digital trends and
Speaker 6: manufacturing for like like these large these large like the
Speaker 6: complex simulations.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So they talked a bit.
Speaker 6: They were also talking a lot about the movement towards
Speaker 6: quantum how this is this is, this is the next thing,
Speaker 6: because we're kind of getting tired with the AI stuff, right,
Speaker 6: So quantum is where they're going to be moving to,
Speaker 6: like the new hype thing. I'm guessing next CES we're
Speaker 6: going to see a lot more quantum stuff. But they
Speaker 6: have this CEES Foundry event space to set up specifically
Speaker 6: about merging AI and quantum and then that opens on Wednesday,
Speaker 6: so we're gonna have to check that out. But no,
Speaker 6: they they did mention smart glasses during the ye One
Speaker 6: of the few one of the few products that the
Speaker 6: actual like the CEES like guy like Gary I think
Speaker 6: is the name who like actually mentioned was a persona
Speaker 6: smart glasses for tutoring. And like I've tried on smart
Speaker 6: glasses at this show before, I haven't tried not this
Speaker 6: year yet. Like the auto translation ones were always kind
Speaker 6: of interesting.
Speaker 1: Those ones always seem like useful, but it's like you
Speaker 1: never really fucking see them in real life.
Speaker 6: They're very limited. You don't see them in real life.
Speaker 6: They're usually the resolution is pretty low. These things are
Speaker 6: gonna get better over time. But there was another CEO
Speaker 6: that they they brought on and I apologize I can't
Speaker 6: remember his name, but it was during the first keynote
Speaker 6: Tuesday morning, and talking a lot about how wearable tech
Speaker 6: is gonna make a big is gonna make a big
Speaker 6: comeback because all of these wearables are now smart enabled
Speaker 6: and you're gonna have the AI in your ring, in
Speaker 6: your glasses, in everything you're you're wearing your watch, these
Speaker 6: you're gonna start learning more about your life and those
Speaker 6: AIS are gonna learn about how the real world actually works,
Speaker 6: which allows them to be smarter and more useful and
Speaker 6: help us out in a whole bunch of new ways.
Speaker 6: And so they were talking about how, like you know,
Speaker 6: fit bit first was the cees like you know, a
Speaker 6: thing years ago, and wearables since then, you know, some success,
Speaker 6: but have kind of kind of become has kind of
Speaker 6: been more gimmicky. And they're talking about how wearables are
Speaker 6: gonna become like a major, major, a major thing now
Speaker 6: with with that's with the smart enabled stuff, right, But yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's the other thing that both both Gary, the
Speaker 6: the CTA guy and the and the Semens guy reiterated
Speaker 6: on a lot was like electricity defined the last last generation,
Speaker 6: that fucking AI will illuminate the next.
Speaker 3: And this was this was I've heard this a lot
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 1: So electricity defined the lost generations.
Speaker 6: Like like like the lastic century, like the last hundred years,
Speaker 6: like innovation was was was because of technic electricity. This
Speaker 6: was this was like the thing, right, the next thing
Speaker 6: is is AI And the coolest thing happened during during
Speaker 6: this the Semens opening keynote where he was like, you know,
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty or however many years ago, there
Speaker 6: was no electricity and then all the lights in the
Speaker 6: convention center like turned off like for for the for
Speaker 6: the show. Everything went black, including they didn't think about this,
Speaker 6: including the telepropters.
Speaker 3: So it was this like real, like big dramatic. It
Speaker 3: was this big dramatic moment.
Speaker 6: And like and then he like paused for like thirty
Speaker 6: seconds because he didn't know what to say next, and
Speaker 6: someone ran on stage with a binder of his script
Speaker 6: so he could read the paper as he introduced how
Speaker 6: electricity like entered the world and like illuminated everything. And
Speaker 6: then the lights came back on and it was just this,
Speaker 6: It was this beautiful CES moment.
Speaker 1: See, I would have just if I was there with you,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, quick, I'm gonna lie on
Speaker 1: the ground. I need you to scream at the top
Speaker 1: of your lungs. He's dead, he's been murdered. Who did
Speaker 1: this locked the doors. There's a murder. That's that's really
Speaker 1: good though, And no one thought this through. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't even remember the fucking fifteen words he needed to.
Speaker 1: He's I just and I love I love that.
Speaker 5: It also just proved that, right that, like electricity is
Speaker 5: still actually quite important. It's very important. Also, the AI
Speaker 5: is gonna keep as.
Speaker 3: Useful as all these AI things are. Sometimes you need
Speaker 3: a binder with paper on it.
Speaker 1: Also, I just can't cannot remember what you have to
Speaker 1: say next. It's not like it's not like you was
Speaker 1: saying anything that matted. It's just you. He went on.
Speaker 1: Electricity defined the next generation AI will.
Speaker 3: This is the industrial AI revolution ed.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, physical AI, right, he.
Speaker 6: Said that that's what there is is like a mobiles.
Speaker 6: This is one of the interesting things though. Actually I'm
Speaker 6: seeing is beyond beyond like the you know, lofty things
Speaker 6: about quantum We are seeing I think a movement back
Speaker 6: towards the material in the way that AI is being
Speaker 6: talked about here, because like the past two years, AIS
Speaker 6: was what was much much more speculative. Now that in
Speaker 6: some ways they kind of had this cultural dominance. You use,
Speaker 6: you have this emphasis on like manufacturing and this is
Speaker 6: something that like the CTA guys like I talked about
Speaker 6: during their keen out, is like this for the first
Speaker 6: for the first time in a few years, we're really
Speaker 6: emphasizing like the manufacturing side of things and trying to
Speaker 6: like bring this these like lofty AI things pretty down
Speaker 6: to earth on like house is actually gonna help on
Speaker 6: like like industrial like these.
Speaker 1: Cases and could they explain an, well.
Speaker 6: See that's the beautiful thing about c Yes, that's something
Speaker 6: that we get to all discover together throughout this WEEKND.
Speaker 1: And that's just the this world model ship, the.
Speaker 6: Digital twins thing that that that's that's really like, that's
Speaker 6: really what they were talking about specifically with like the
Speaker 6: Navidia and Siemens, like a conversation between their two guys
Speaker 6: specifically about the digital what is.
Speaker 4: Spurring the is spurring the interest in world models, this
Speaker 4: idea that Okay, there are limits to LMS, even if
Speaker 4: we are a savior are fanatics and we think it's
Speaker 4: going to save the world, we need to find another
Speaker 4: way to embody it without embodying. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Essentially, so Yan Lacun's whole thing is is like yeah,
Speaker 5: like language is not like sufficient to create real general intelligence.
Speaker 5: Like the whole thing is animated by the idea that
Speaker 5: a GI is is a thing that we can achieve
Speaker 5: and and and that basically lms have proven that like
Speaker 5: language alone can can create a like a similar acrium
Speaker 5: of intelligence up to a certain point, but like child
Speaker 5: understand and the world around it, which is not just
Speaker 5: made up of language.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting that in the response to being like, oh,
Speaker 4: we reached all these milestones that we thought would open
Speaker 4: up the doors, the solution isn't that we raga, we
Speaker 4: need to radically rethink, and it's like, actually, we need to.
Speaker 4: We just need a little bit more juice.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I think this world model bullshit.
Speaker 1: In the digital I've been hearing so great thing about
Speaker 1: running pr from in texcause you hear a lot of
Speaker 1: terms repeatedly. I've had world models for ten years. I've
Speaker 1: heard sorry, not world models. Digital twins. Digital twins was
Speaker 1: like and like it was a simulation thing kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: But then then during the metaverse time, it was just like,
Speaker 1: it's a space that's the same. World models are just
Speaker 1: they're a scam. Like I just like faith a Lee.
Speaker 1: Everyone talks very fondly about her spatial intelligence and all that. Well,
Speaker 1: the fuck it, Like, where's her product, where's the thing
Speaker 1: she's done? Because World Models the reason they're pushing these
Speaker 1: in digital twins is because it's another use for GPOs.
Speaker 1: Was talking to an analyst.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's in the video.
Speaker 1: Was on stage. Please God, keep buying the GPUs, please God.
Speaker 1: And Jensen one needs another leather shiny.
Speaker 3: It was so shin.
Speaker 6: So he had the shiny and it was firm skills,
Speaker 6: Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was the skilly one.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It was very hard looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah. It's just very sad as well, because
Speaker 1: they're not saying that though, because with with other lambs,
Speaker 1: they're like GPUs, we need more of these, we need
Speaker 1: more power. With world models, they're just like digital twin
Speaker 1: copy simulation. And then the Information mentioned this. Yes, they
Speaker 1: put out a story saying that M Video's omniverse software.
Speaker 1: Yeah I love saying it. That it was not making
Speaker 1: much money and they had to shut down the cloud
Speaker 1: because nobody wanted it and the software sucked, and it's
Speaker 1: just like they're running, they're out of ideas, but they're
Speaker 1: just getting up. It's like watching a pair of parents
Speaker 1: stay together for the kids. Like, yeah, we all love
Speaker 1: world models. Digital twins. Yeah, that's those are good, right,
Speaker 1: we both know what this means. Yeah, we could model
Speaker 1: a warehouse, couldn't we miss the same And.
Speaker 6: They modeled an HD HUNTI shipyard.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So in the auto industry end is microft.
Speaker 3: Every nutt and bolt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like this is not the problem is is
Speaker 5: that is that these digital twins for manufacturing, like you
Speaker 5: only there's only so much demand for it exactly right,
Speaker 5: Like when you design a factory, like that's a big
Speaker 5: effort and you take one and then you usually you know,
Speaker 5: reproduce it, and so you're not doing that design like
Speaker 5: a bunch, right. You want to get it right the
Speaker 5: first time because the tooling is.
Speaker 1: But they say to answer actually a question, you aren't
Speaker 1: with robots, that what their thing is. And they kind
Speaker 1: of showed it with the Nvidia Press yesterday where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could put the robot in the digital simulation and
Speaker 1: then you could do that, and then they stop talking.
Speaker 1: They just stop describing because they're like, and then the
Speaker 1: robot will be smart and able to deal with the
Speaker 1: real world. They don't really seem to link those two
Speaker 1: things together so precisely though they talked a.
Speaker 6: Little bit about that specifically for the manufacturing though, and
Speaker 6: being one of the uses for the for the digital
Speaker 6: twins stuff is that, and and even putting AI in
Speaker 6: all the wearables, and once they have enough data both
Speaker 6: in the digital manufacturing, the as will know how to
Speaker 6: do it enough that we can make them run all
Speaker 6: physical manufacturing. And you have AIS building robots, who are
Speaker 6: building robots and like all all of that. That's sort
Speaker 6: of like automation stuff, right, is kind of how they
Speaker 6: referred to it, but it wasn't something that they like emphasized.
Speaker 4: Also to your point, I hadn't thought about this until
Speaker 4: you said it, But yeah, what is actually the composition
Speaker 4: of demand going to look like? Where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I actually just need to do it once because these
Speaker 4: are highly like I need to know how to my
Speaker 4: robot should operate in this specific circumstance. I need to
Speaker 4: know what the factory looks like, and then after that
Speaker 4: I'll just copy and past it. Why should I use
Speaker 4: the software more than.
Speaker 1: But that's actually a good point, Like what happens when
Speaker 1: you program the road? Surely once the robots done, bam,
Speaker 1: programmed did they have.
Speaker 5: So that's that's the whole point with with with the
Speaker 5: humanoid thing. The whole idea behind the humanoid thing is
Speaker 5: that you create a physical embodiment that that has the
Speaker 5: versatility that a human body has, and then you can
Speaker 5: continuously evolve the software for it so that it can
Speaker 5: eventually do anything. Really in a lot of ways, it's
Speaker 5: it's a way to write, like you know, with LLMS,
Speaker 5: people find the limits of what right, the hall hallucinations,
Speaker 5: the unreliability, all those problems. This is a way of
Speaker 5: sort of repackaging the dream of universal capability. But like
Speaker 5: in this physical.
Speaker 1: Form, it's a dream though, it's it's a dream.
Speaker 5: Yeah, general general robotics is not a thing. Generalized robotics
Speaker 5: is a big talking point right now, and like robots
Speaker 5: are getting more generally capable.
Speaker 3: But like people again, you know, that's how they're talking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 6: It's like how do you how do you get like
Speaker 6: AI driven innovation? Like how how can AI like find
Speaker 6: new solutions that we wouldn't think of without the hallucination problem?
Speaker 6: And specifically using these models are like if when when
Speaker 6: when these models run long enough, they'll be able to
Speaker 6: improve how these like factories are shipyards function in ways
Speaker 6: that LMS simply like can't as adjust to language models.
Speaker 1: It always seems like it's just they will like it's
Speaker 1: there because I feel like we've heard this robot just
Speaker 1: a twin thing for a while. I feel like we've
Speaker 1: heard about robots. Everyone's shifting to robots now. Even China
Speaker 1: just actually was Hong Kong, Mate, is the Hong Kong
Speaker 1: How Yeah? I know, just yeah, I'm gonna get killed
Speaker 1: by someone. No, they just delayed a robot ipo ing
Speaker 1: over there because there's a bubble growing. The ship hasn't
Speaker 1: even launched, and they're like, yeah, mate, were already at
Speaker 1: a bubble. We speed around this one. Motherfucker. I just
Speaker 1: think I saw the LG robot and they wouldn't they
Speaker 1: didn't have the demo ready, And they showed this video
Speaker 1: of this woman being like, hey, robot, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: Because I'm great, you should work out. It was just
Speaker 1: and it was like thank you, thank you, Glaubo or
Speaker 1: whatever it was called.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was funny.
Speaker 1: It was like it walked over with like two pound
Speaker 1: dumbbells and it was like, yeah, you should do see
Speaker 1: these lately. Yeah, it was close and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I didn't have you, I just laying around all day.
Speaker 6: Should I order more laze potato chips for you?
Speaker 1: You? Oh hog, you look new, sweaty hog, Get up
Speaker 1: off your app And then it was doing the squats
Speaker 1: with it was like a little bit more depth and
Speaker 1: it's just I swear there is regulation against lying like that,
Speaker 1: and LG is a public company, but it's just what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you do? Like when is this thing
Speaker 1: kind of come out?
Speaker 4: What is the plan with it? And also it's a
Speaker 4: forward looking vision.
Speaker 1: It's it's what we talk about Yesterday's like who the
Speaker 1: fuck actually needs this? If I had a robot walk
Speaker 1: up to me in my house and go, you need
Speaker 1: to lift some weights, I beat the ever living shit
Speaker 1: out of it. I'm not a violent person, but if
Speaker 1: like a machine decided to impose its will upon me
Speaker 1: with pathetic two pound dumbbells, I'm at fives and just yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so strange. And I tried to talk to
Speaker 1: someone over there about it and they didn't really have
Speaker 1: any answers, and they couldn't even tell me when the
Speaker 1: demo would start. Very sad well, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that like the
Speaker 5: leading sort of seller of right again, Elon Musk with optimists,
Speaker 5: like as a South African and a racist, and like
Speaker 5: he's selling the idea of slavery, Like like that's that's
Speaker 5: literally the vision, right, It's that that we create these things,
Speaker 5: the software evolves to the point where it's human. It's
Speaker 5: essentially a mechanical human and it just does everything for
Speaker 5: us and it transforms our economy and everything, and like
Speaker 5: it's like you are just this is this is slavery.
Speaker 5: I wonder how much of sort of the political tides
Speaker 5: that are happening right now or are sort of are
Speaker 5: sort of hided to this.
Speaker 1: I feel like, what with the AGI conversation, no one
Speaker 1: ever wants to talk about the fact that it is
Speaker 1: just slavery.
Speaker 3: It's like what if we had except they're not people?
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, I mean I will, I'll be like yeah,
Speaker 6: but like they are people though.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, It's like if you make a conscious being,
Speaker 1: well yeah, but it's not conscious. But if they made
Speaker 1: a conscious being with AI, event eventually they can't do it.
Speaker 1: But if you ever mentioned this to a GI people
Speaker 1: that get really upsex like it's not slavery. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you trapped a conscious being and bent it to your will?
Speaker 1: What do you what would you call that? And they're
Speaker 1: like computer and but with robots, I just think that
Speaker 1: they're just starting shit at the wall. They're just like
Speaker 1: I guess because the actual robot you'd want is something
Speaker 1: that can handle anything, which is an impossible idea. And
Speaker 1: also I will train it to be articulate and competent
Speaker 1: like a human. Have you met more than one person?
Speaker 1: Because people vary in their abilities to do stuff humanoid
Speaker 1: the humanoid form is also not particularly efficient for the
Speaker 1: every task.
Speaker 5: No, and like creating a human I mean, like the
Speaker 5: engineering of a human hands, which is where we get
Speaker 5: a lot of our versatility from, is like absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I have a coordination disability dyspraxia. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't know if you're doing a
Speaker 1: bunch of training data, which they are like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: how we're gonna do it. Training data. Great. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna make what's a perfect human? Are you gonna get
Speaker 1: like eugenics level data?
Speaker 4: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: How do you get perfect day? Or are you going
Speaker 1: to get very day? Or what is good data, and
Speaker 1: no one ever asks these questions at the panels, and
Speaker 1: no one ever gives an answer anyway, I.
Speaker 5: Think I think the way to think about like the
Speaker 5: consumer market or like the attempt to develop a consumer
Speaker 5: market for humanoid but other other robots in general is
Speaker 5: like slop because like it the whole thing with ro
Speaker 5: it's really hard to sell a robot to a car company.
Speaker 5: Like I went to Toyota and I went to the
Speaker 5: place where they test all of their robotics. There is
Speaker 5: a few years ago now, but like they're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we buy every time a company comes out with a
Speaker 5: new robot whatever, almost any kind, like we test the
Speaker 5: shit out of it. Yeah. And the thing is is
Speaker 5: that they think and I'm just like, like, how many
Speaker 5: robusts you adopt? They're like, well, not that many, really,
Speaker 5: I said why? And there's like, well, once you start
Speaker 5: a car factory operating, if something breaks down, one piece
Speaker 5: breaks down, like the whole thing just stops all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, you're burning like millions of dollars a second,
Speaker 5: and then you have to fly someone from the other
Speaker 5: side of the word. So like robustness, to get value
Speaker 5: out of automation, it has to be really really robust,
Speaker 5: and you know that's why it's really hard to sell
Speaker 5: this stuff to companies is because they don't want to
Speaker 5: come depending on something that's just going to break down
Speaker 5: and then they can't operate for like days. With a consumer,
Speaker 5: you can sell them slop because if part of it
Speaker 5: is the spectacle, the prestige. I'm an early adopter. I
Speaker 5: have the new tech thing, the fact that it's jinking,
Speaker 5: it doesn't work. This is exactly what's happening with Tesla autopilot.
Speaker 5: It's something that looks self driving and has this pristide,
Speaker 5: but it doesn't actually deliver the robustness and safety that
Speaker 5: you know you need to like take a nap in
Speaker 5: the backseat.
Speaker 6: This is the real, the real tension of the consumer
Speaker 6: electronics showcase because you have half of it trying to
Speaker 6: be directed you know, for for industries, right, a lot
Speaker 6: of these lot of like you know, AI automation stuff
Speaker 6: is like for manufacturing, but it's it's the other side
Speaker 6: is the consumer electronics part where they're selling kind of
Speaker 6: kind of janki things that don't work to a little
Speaker 6: bit like gullible people or people who want to believe
Speaker 6: in this, like Jetson's vision, and you have both these
Speaker 6: things kind of working in tandem, and when they rub
Speaker 6: up against each other, it creates these like these like
Speaker 6: cognitive frictions.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One thing that's also been interesting this year and
Speaker 4: last is seeing the stuff that would not be able
Speaker 4: to snap past the sniff test for business to business
Speaker 4: or even regulatory oversight that is sold to consumers with
Speaker 4: almost you know, like we're getting up to the edge
Speaker 4: of what might be a therenose in the sense that
Speaker 4: they're saying, Okay, with digital information, we can approach the
Speaker 4: limits of what's physically impossible and deliver that to you
Speaker 4: with a little bit of analytics, with a little bit
Speaker 4: of artificial intelligence, instead of relying on really sophisticated technology
Speaker 4: that are biomedical tech that we just don't have.
Speaker 1: I just think it's funny though, because if the robots
Speaker 1: did what they said it they did, it'd be kind
Speaker 1: of cool. I'd love a robot butler. I think I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree. I just want to robe
Speaker 1: what that brings me a diet coke and be honest,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 3: You could have a regular butler.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like, like that's the thing we
Speaker 1: get into the AGI conversation. I just want to I
Speaker 1: just want to wrote, But even then it's like it's
Speaker 1: even an.
Speaker 3: Aristonta black butler.
Speaker 1: Not that. Oh no, I have actually seen black butler. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love you know what, a butler that would
Speaker 1: kill people for being people out for me, that'd be
Speaker 1: fucking sick. Yeah, and specially didn't expect me to have
Speaker 1: seen black butler. I think we baby, But this is
Speaker 1: the thing as well. It's like, even though I'm like
Speaker 1: joking and oh that'll be fun, it's like not really,
Speaker 1: I can get I can get off my arse and
Speaker 1: grab it that. Oh no, I've got a vacuum. It
Speaker 1: will take me fucking five minutes.
Speaker 5: Is not that bad.
Speaker 4: There's something I was seeing on the floor. It felt
Speaker 4: like a lot of use cases that people were offering
Speaker 4: for agents were actually oh you know, it was just
Speaker 4: like convenience via a chat thought interface. You know, we
Speaker 4: talk to people. They'd be like, this is ai agentic cooking,
Speaker 4: and it's like, what's the part of it? Not you,
Speaker 4: but I know that's what I said. You know, I
Speaker 4: was like, what's the agentic part? And they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: like it had you know, there's a camera inside and
Speaker 4: it can see what food you have there, and then
Speaker 4: you have a list of recipes. I'm like, that's not
Speaker 4: an agent, but worried. Okay, Uh, you know we have
Speaker 4: other agents that are saying we do you know, agentic
Speaker 4: health analysis. And it's like, what's the agent part. Well,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, you can talk to it about different things.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, that's not the I will I will
Speaker 6: not be happy until there's an AI in my vitamics
Speaker 6: that tells me how to make this movie, what this
Speaker 6: mooth is gonna.
Speaker 3: Do to my body? Yeah, and what ingredients I need
Speaker 3: to get from I.
Speaker 1: Need a robot to tell me I'm fat. I saw this.
Speaker 1: My mind doesn't do that already.
Speaker 4: So one of my mortal enemies, well or recent mort enemies,
Speaker 4: it's you know, the makers is the omnipod and what's
Speaker 4: the omni pod?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: It's it's for it's a diabetes piece of a wearable
Speaker 4: tech that you know pomp uh yeah, insulin. And they
Speaker 4: were you know, they didn't off, they didn't say, you know,
Speaker 4: we got AI in here. They were just there to
Speaker 4: advertise themselves, right. But you know one reason I hate them,
Speaker 4: But I also think of them in contrast with everyone
Speaker 4: else is you know, my partner's diabetic, and I see
Speaker 4: up close how often the device fails every single.
Speaker 1: Fucking day, And that feels like a thing that we
Speaker 1: know about and should be able to solve.
Speaker 4: But it's also like I, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 4: they are never going up and saying with AI, we
Speaker 4: can make it a little bit better. It's nice, you know,
Speaker 4: but with every single other you know, not not to
Speaker 4: be a fucking insolent show, but you know, with almost
Speaker 4: every single piece of biomedical tech I saw this year
Speaker 4: so far and last year, I mean, I'm saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, like there are a lot of inaccuracies. There
Speaker 4: are a lot of physiological limitations. There's some physical limits,
Speaker 4: there's some chemical limits. But with artificial intelligence and with
Speaker 4: enough data collection, we can transcend those.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. How much data? How much that next time,
Speaker 1: like if you all listening to this in you're at
Speaker 1: CS or any of you, and next time someone says
Speaker 1: with enough data, ask them how much and ask them
Speaker 1: to get specific because they don't have a fucking answer,
Speaker 1: And the answer is they also don't know what day
Speaker 1: they need, well.
Speaker 5: So and the amount of data that you have is
Speaker 5: only part of it. The other part is constraining the
Speaker 5: problem space. And we know that from the autonomous vehicle space,
Speaker 5: right like where Tesla says, well, this is gonna work everywhere,
Speaker 5: and we have all this data from all these cars
Speaker 5: and so it's gonna wear and people buy it. It's a
Speaker 5: narrative that makes intuitive sense.
Speaker 1: It makes sense to a person even though it's not true.
Speaker 5: But it really isn't. Whereas you know at Zookes, they're
Speaker 5: now last year, I got a ride on the strip
Speaker 5: and yeah, and now they're like all over the place,
Speaker 5: and they do they're able to do that because they
Speaker 5: constrain the operating space. And especially with driving where it's
Speaker 5: like safety critical, like you have to be able to
Speaker 5: validate that safety to like a high degree. And if
Speaker 5: it's just operating everywhere, how do you do that? Like,
Speaker 5: you can only do it by constraining the level of complexity,
Speaker 5: by constraining the problem space, and so and so like
Speaker 5: for all of these AI things, the question to ask
Speaker 5: is like, right, like if someone is saying like we're
Speaker 5: just gonna solve all the problems, you can solve it none, right,
Speaker 5: And and for me, like The test of any AI
Speaker 5: product is like how focused are you?
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. You can't really you can't solve
Speaker 1: every problem with every the Nvidia thing yes day, the
Speaker 1: panel whether go is like one one robot for all things.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, like we were talking about with these
Speaker 4: generalizer robots.
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Speaker 1: I could not get close enough to one of them,
Speaker 1: but I would love it if they just sit and
Speaker 1: they go fucking kill you, just like muttering, cereal, I
Speaker 1: will kill them all. And I watched the demo of
Speaker 1: this woman and they were doing they were really like
Speaker 1: the hogs watching be like ooh, because the woman just
Speaker 1: did this demo that was so It's like, wow, how
Speaker 1: did you remember that? That happened so long ago? And
Speaker 1: it's just again, I thought I saw that last year.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure. We saw a lot of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: it's just this idea of handing a child in l
Speaker 1: M is insane as a parent. And also there was
Speaker 1: the one we talked about yesterday, was like, it's like
Speaker 1: saying that Taiwan isn't part of China. It gets upset.
Speaker 5: It's it's so fucking yeah, exactly it's like teaching your
Speaker 5: child poisons.
Speaker 1: It's just and they keep saying these things like, oh,
Speaker 1: it will grow over time.
Speaker 3: They won't, especially if the company is defunct.
Speaker 1: When they run out of money in a month, they
Speaker 1: spend it all on.
Speaker 4: The booth, letting your kids just talk to themselves and
Speaker 4: their little figurine. I'm curious about how they offer.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about shareholder value.
Speaker 6: This is the this is this is that. That's the
Speaker 6: kind of upsetting to me though, because like in the
Speaker 6: conversation about how AI is getting get into all these wearables,
Speaker 6: like these people really want AI basically in every action
Speaker 6: figure they want. They want like agentic AI in every
Speaker 6: single toy, so that like it becomes like a normal
Speaker 6: thing that you're not. You're not just going to get
Speaker 6: like a bare piece of plastic.
Speaker 1: Ever again, they can subscribe you.
Speaker 4: They won't mind if my cards talk to me.
Speaker 1: The thing though, it's like it's device is made for
Speaker 1: people that don't use stuff Like here's the thing I
Speaker 1: use my ur ring. I have an Apple Watch, I've
Speaker 1: got fucking eight sleep bed and I've got like things
Speaker 1: that measure my sleep. I have years of sleep data
Speaker 1: and I cannot tell you anything, just more data. No,
Speaker 1: but it's just that's the thing.
Speaker 7: It's like.
Speaker 1: All of this time, they're like, well, when we get
Speaker 1: all this date, we'll be able to do this. When
Speaker 1: motherfucker I have the data now, can you not tell
Speaker 1: me when my best sleep times are? Can you not
Speaker 1: tell me how what I could do? Differently, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what to do with this information? And then like,
Speaker 1: what with the power of AI you could do something?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is it? Uh No, we're not there yet.
Speaker 1: The apparently Aura is here showing something off and it's
Speaker 1: like and Luna and Luna, It's just like and all
Speaker 1: these rings, it's what could you do with them? We're
Speaker 1: having victorious song on later and she put it where
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, if you use an LLLM connected to it,
Speaker 1: you can sometimes get a useful out. Just fucking just
Speaker 1: stop stop stop pretending.
Speaker 4: I asked them. I was like, what is the different
Speaker 4: are there are few rings? I stop by, and I
Speaker 4: was like, what is the difference between me collecting all
Speaker 4: this data myself with a bunch of jinky things and
Speaker 4: I'm putting it into some literally and then asking a
Speaker 4: chap out about it, versus whatever you guys are doing.
Speaker 4: They're like, well, well, you know, like we have other
Speaker 4: people's data that we are look.
Speaker 6: Like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's there, so you should.
Speaker 5: Have told me.
Speaker 1: But it's also like human bodies are varied things. Certain
Speaker 1: things work for different people. I imagine that there should
Speaker 1: be trends within workout data that could do nothing, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing that I would love it if they could tell
Speaker 1: me what would be the most effective workout, what would
Speaker 1: be the best.
Speaker 5: But like, but see, this is why you make products
Speaker 5: for children, and they don't ask questions.
Speaker 4: Why isn't it worth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, what.
Speaker 5: Your data is not providing enough actionable insights.
Speaker 4: It's time your kid says that your data does not
Speaker 4: work for the father.
Speaker 1: I fix it, father, the analytics father, father, my analytics. Papa, Papa,
Speaker 1: Please can I have some have.
Speaker 4: Enough actionable insights before I go to bed?
Speaker 1: It just feels like I really think they're just trying
Speaker 1: to work out ways to give us subscriptions to everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't play just Pokemon regularly. I got a subscribe
Speaker 1: to Pokemon Plus.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh my god, I forgot with the AI
Speaker 4: agentic kitchen or oven. One thing they added it's not
Speaker 4: just an oven. You can't actually get it to just
Speaker 4: cook the food. You have to have a delivery subscription.
Speaker 1: You are, Oh yes, is that sov? That's one of
Speaker 1: those During during COVID I had father, No, I really
Speaker 1: shouldn't say, briskets off.
Speaker 4: Terrible s E.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just going to look up this company.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred and fifty thousand articles. I yeah, that's
Speaker 1: fucking good. I bet that's one thing you can't cook
Speaker 1: it in.
Speaker 4: But then I also asked them, who are your delivery partners?
Speaker 4: I said, are We're not there yet? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you?
Speaker 4: That was so sick. I said, okay, it's.
Speaker 1: Just like I do wonder why there is no legal
Speaker 1: recourse with people going to this, Like its just like
Speaker 1: you get lied to for several days.
Speaker 4: Market is the legal recourse. You don't go to market
Speaker 4: if you don't. So true, So true.
Speaker 1: I also think we need less electronics and things as well.
Speaker 1: I still, I know Matt Bender likes the Lego Brick,
Speaker 1: and I can see it's it's like, I don't need
Speaker 1: a fucking market trip in the Lego brick. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: if it needs to go, you can just do that
Speaker 1: with your mouth.
Speaker 4: I don't want my extra visors to talk to me.
Speaker 4: Part of the fun is as a kid was talking
Speaker 4: for them. Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 3: We're gonna spoil the next generation of voice actors.
Speaker 1: It's really devastating what we're gonna turn to. Like I
Speaker 1: I'm like wishy washy when it comes to how bad
Speaker 1: scream Time is. But you know what, I actually think
Speaker 1: it is bad making every single toy and some individualized
Speaker 1: autonomous a even though that's complete bullshit, some LLM driven bullshit,
Speaker 1: and like they make the noises for you because it's
Speaker 1: like one of the joys of being a job was
Speaker 1: like having an imagination, and it's like, I don't know what,
Speaker 1: like they want to take that way so they can
Speaker 1: put subscription into it. But it gets back to the
Speaker 1: thing we're saying yesterday as well, where it's like these
Speaker 1: are just products made by people don't interact with anyone.
Speaker 1: It's like one of my biggest problems. Fuck, my kid
Speaker 1: keeps want to talk to me.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, what better way to tell your
Speaker 5: kid that you hate them? Giving them a chap pop?
Speaker 6: I mean, like this makes sense because like they're they're
Speaker 6: selling it to people who are like upper middle class,
Speaker 6: upper class. They don't have time to spend with their
Speaker 6: kids like these. That's these products are targeting, is is
Speaker 6: you know, both parents are working, they probably have some
Speaker 6: kind of like living nanny. The kids probably relatively isolated
Speaker 6: like that. That's what these it's really for. It's it's
Speaker 6: it's it's it's for these like relatively wealthy parents to
Speaker 6: buy for their kids because they don't spend time with
Speaker 6: their kids.
Speaker 1: Right Like, that's like.
Speaker 6: Because people who are like working class aren't aren't buying these,
Speaker 6: can't afford them because they're insanely expensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: One of the most unexpected use cases for autonomous vehicles
Speaker 5: actually now is people putting their kids in waymos No. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and like.
Speaker 4: This is this is a real thing and a whole
Speaker 4: thing for this super and left now right, Yeah, they
Speaker 4: have advertising but now you can just send your kid
Speaker 4: off and they're safe.
Speaker 1: Your kid will be safe.
Speaker 4: But they had to massively market safety passengers.
Speaker 6: Goodness, No, we need we need, we need like a
Speaker 6: new q Andon to shut this thing. Yeah like way
Speaker 6: far like wayfair trafficing children in way most.
Speaker 1: The right wing is just like that, we need to.
Speaker 5: They're straight to.
Speaker 3: They're setting these kids in waymos tomorrow ago.
Speaker 1: Take it to Comet pizza. Like, yeah, it's so it's
Speaker 1: oh wait wait okay completely off ces for a seconds.
Speaker 1: So you put your child in the autonomous vehicle, at
Speaker 1: which point your child is alone in a car and
Speaker 1: it drives around. Yeah, what if something goes wrong?
Speaker 5: That's a great, great question. This is for you know.
Speaker 3: Like aren't you a journalist. You should you should be
Speaker 3: asking these questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am among the podcast.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I think the magic of of
Speaker 5: like cs and and stuff is that like technology does
Speaker 5: make people turn their brains off. Like people are so
Speaker 5: conditioned to believe that a machine is somehow better than them.
Speaker 5: We're so surrounded by machine, like you know, the and
Speaker 5: and I think this is like a perfect example, right,
Speaker 5: like like why pay someone who is like trained to
Speaker 5: take care of your child when like a robot will
Speaker 5: be just as fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I still think we need My big
Speaker 1: socialist thing is I think we need to create like
Speaker 1: a state funded nanny system and like for like working
Speaker 1: families and just make it the best paid things.
Speaker 4: Yes, I agree adible economy because it's a good one on.
Speaker 6: Well, hopefully they'll do that in New York. But like
Speaker 6: you're you see you see parts of the tech industries
Speaker 6: Seese that kind of want but they want to fill
Speaker 6: it with with like agentic childcare or whatever.
Speaker 4: Right. I mean that's also the thing with the age
Speaker 4: dech Right. I mean it's like, okay, so look, we
Speaker 4: have a large scale problem in our society where a
Speaker 4: lot of people aging, they don't have support infrastructure. A
Speaker 4: lot of ways we can handle this. How are we
Speaker 4: gonna handle it? Well, since we don't really do technological innovation,
Speaker 4: we're gonna do the lowest bottom denominator thing, which is,
Speaker 4: you know, we let the private financiers drive the development
Speaker 4: of what the care infrastructure is gonna be. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: a lot of that just means bullshit so that they
Speaker 4: can scale up to then get into some other business model. Right.
Speaker 4: So it's just not it's just it's same with the childcare,
Speaker 4: same with the elderly care. All of this shit sucks.
Speaker 4: And it's also not even seen as the end point.
Speaker 4: It's like a stepping stone so that they can get
Speaker 4: into some real business. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thing is I don't think that there's as much intention
Speaker 1: behind it, is My thing. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a master plan. I just think they're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: what my biggest problem My old fucking dad keeps calling
Speaker 1: me my kid claude, won't stop asking me for things.
Speaker 1: My home is sometimes dirty between the eight cleaners, What
Speaker 1: do I do?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What a robot? What do people deal with in regular life?
Speaker 5: Dirt and old And by the way, I mean, Japan
Speaker 5: has been, you know, because of their demographic situation, the
Speaker 5: aging population, they've been and you know, technological prowess. They've
Speaker 5: been developing robots for seniors and various kinds of you know,
Speaker 5: aging assistants. And the reality is is that, like, despite
Speaker 5: huge investment and huge support from the government and like
Speaker 5: everything that they could possibly want, the results are not
Speaker 5: like that impressive basically.
Speaker 1: Because the ultimately, you know what helped my poor grandmother
Speaker 1: once she passed, like ten or eleven years ago, nine
Speaker 1: four year old Granite Palse Marion, she liked being called
Speaker 1: on the telephone people. Yeah, it's like someone's my dad
Speaker 1: going and visiting her. Like it's like, what's gonna help
Speaker 1: your talking to them and asking questions or if they're
Speaker 1: curious about something, you can use Google, but you can
Speaker 1: talk to them about it.
Speaker 5: And there's another piece too. I saw you in the
Speaker 5: past life. I was actually a caregiver for development too
Speaker 5: disabled people, and you know, it's one of those jobs
Speaker 5: where like there's a lot of time where you just
Speaker 5: sort of sit there, you know, and there's just like
Speaker 5: nothing happening, and then there will be you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: like I had a client who would you know, smear
Speaker 5: pieces every once in a while, right, and then you
Speaker 5: had then and that was when you were really you know,
Speaker 5: earning earning the pay. The point I'm getting at is that,
Speaker 5: you know, the majority of work, of the value of
Speaker 5: the work that people do, especially in service type jobs
Speaker 5: like that, is in what you would call an edge case, right,
Speaker 5: you know. And and again like following the autonomous vehicle
Speaker 5: space has been really useful for understanding this stuff where
Speaker 5: ninety percent of driving is just like boring and just
Speaker 5: sit there and anyone could do it. And what what
Speaker 5: makes someone a good driver is how you deal with
Speaker 5: it when shit goes sideways, right, yeah, which is very
Speaker 5: rare and very sudden and very challenging to negotiate. It's
Speaker 5: the same thing with a lot of consumer customer service
Speaker 5: jobs and then other kinds of just like service caregiving
Speaker 5: type jobs. The value is created in when when things
Speaker 5: start to break down, and that's when automation doesn't work,
Speaker 5: and and and no matter like no amount of like
Speaker 5: large large models is going to change that because ultimately,
Speaker 5: like as soon as you see something out of out
Speaker 5: of distribution, right out of your training set, you know
Speaker 5: it's it's useless. Yeah, and that again, that's where caregivers
Speaker 5: like make earn their money.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's it's just deeply sad as well, because
Speaker 1: there are very straightforward problems that people have. It's just
Speaker 1: you can't really solve them with technology. Oh well, we
Speaker 1: have the ede cases in customer service You want to
Speaker 1: know what increases customer service calls? The fact that products
Speaker 1: fucking suck Now, the products aren't very good, that they
Speaker 1: get released in alpha or beta stages, the fact that
Speaker 1: they require a subscription for certain features, or the support
Speaker 1: documents of dog shit, or the guide to put them
Speaker 1: together is dog shait. It's like, the actual problems are
Speaker 1: the companies are fucking things up regularly, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: if we had more customs, well no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: actually that would involve paying someone. What if we just
Speaker 1: had an AI. I guess maybe it could say it
Speaker 1: slower occasionally, but sometimes it could even answer a question.
Speaker 5: SoftBank had a robot called Pepper, called Pepper that was
Speaker 5: are you familiar with Pepper?
Speaker 1: No? I just love soft so and.
Speaker 5: You're supposed to call it Yeah, of course anything they touched,
Speaker 5: but Pepper was this. It was a customer service robot
Speaker 5: and it was like, you know, sort of vaguely humanoid,
Speaker 5: but it sort of rolled around our wheels and they
Speaker 5: use it in like shopping centers and stuff. Anyway, I
Speaker 5: don't remember how much money SoftBank sunk into this. I
Speaker 5: think it was a French company or something. It didn't
Speaker 5: it did like, it did not work. I loved it
Speaker 5: because everyone expects the headlines of like the robots are
Speaker 5: taking their jobs, and like every everywhere this Pepper robot went,
Speaker 5: it would lose its job. It was like the headline
Speaker 5: was always like robot fired, replaced by humans because and
Speaker 5: again it's because customer service is fundamentally about helping people, right,
Speaker 5: like if everything is in its right place on the shelf,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe and certainly badly like laid out in
Speaker 5: large stores, maybe someone needs a little bit of assistance
Speaker 5: finding like where the section is, where their thing is.
Speaker 5: But for the most part, like when people have a
Speaker 5: problem that they require customer service help with, like it's
Speaker 5: because something has gone wrong, the shelf is not stopped
Speaker 5: like something is bad. And and again like if it's an
Speaker 5: abnormal set of circumstances, the robot is almost never and
Speaker 5: like that's where that's where the value should be created
Speaker 5: and the rubbles can't do it.
Speaker 6: I saw this good post on x the Everything app Lately,
Speaker 6: which was.
Speaker 5: This could go so many directions.
Speaker 6: Well, good engineers are building like an AI bar and
Speaker 6: they program every single possibility for someone ordering drinks at it,
Speaker 6: at the bar, ordering other things at the bar, ordering
Speaker 6: a horse that bar. They have everything everything figured out
Speaker 6: for for for people to to go to this bar,
Speaker 6: and then a customer walks in and they ask where
Speaker 6: the bathroom is and the whole model breaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Though, I love the idea of
Speaker 1: also a robot bartender. No bars are about ambiance and
Speaker 1: available diet cokes for me, and it's like I like
Speaker 1: how it feels, and I like there being a person there.
Speaker 1: You have like a no conversation or some conversation. Each
Speaker 1: bar is a different bartender. That's part of the joy
Speaker 1: of going to a bar. I don't need a fucking
Speaker 1: robot arm to go here.
Speaker 5: You go well, and then and then the other failure
Speaker 5: mode is right. It's like did you see the Wall
Speaker 5: Street Journal thing where they have the vending machine.
Speaker 1: With random Everyone's I love Johannaston. I think she did
Speaker 1: a good job. But the whole thing is like, why
Speaker 1: are we not just like straight up saying this is
Speaker 1: broken dog ship? Why do we have to couch everything with?
Speaker 1: But it might work in the.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, no, the idea is right, you put it,
Speaker 5: you put a agentic yeah, Claude sort of on the.
Speaker 1: You know agent, it's nell.
Speaker 5: But but right then, like oh, this will just magically
Speaker 5: cover all the edge cases. Well it sort of did,
Speaker 5: but like people were able to get it too, like the.
Speaker 1: Buy yeah, like make everything.
Speaker 5: It basically just like burned all this money because people
Speaker 5: were able to say, like, just get me this thing.
Speaker 1: I would have literally just stood by it all day.
Speaker 1: I would have I would have had that thing.
Speaker 3: This is a physical vending machine, yes.
Speaker 4: With this software on. I mean I remember what one
Speaker 4: of the part they already perfect.
Speaker 3: Perfect machine.
Speaker 1: Just go to Tokyo it's perfect go to like a guess
Speaker 1: station some type Like.
Speaker 4: What was the rationale actually for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if we invented the machine that could vend
Speaker 1: things Like it's just like what if you could service
Speaker 1: things using like queens and cash?
Speaker 4: Again, you know, I would have kind of expected to
Speaker 4: do like surveillance pricing, Like what if we were able
Speaker 4: to make something like yeah, it would a little bit
Speaker 4: and then figure out how much you.
Speaker 5: Like, it's the search for like surely there must be
Speaker 5: some use and you know.
Speaker 6: I mean it's it's part of like we're trying to
Speaker 6: like ground quote unquote AI into these like physical things
Speaker 6: now now that it's not just hype, and then yeah,
Speaker 6: you can see stuff like yes for like they're trying,
Speaker 6: but it's like, yeah, come on, and.
Speaker 5: It's a convenient bandy to slap on something, right, you
Speaker 5: can sort of develop a robot to do certain things
Speaker 5: and and it's like, okay, well, as soon as we
Speaker 5: get out of you know, out of our training set,
Speaker 5: we'll just have an LM just sort of swoop in
Speaker 5: and sort of magically solve it. And the reality is
Speaker 5: is that either it can't often or or it solves
Speaker 5: it in ways they create like other totally unexpected problems.
Speaker 1: Like the idea of them being like what if we
Speaker 1: did Oh yeah, it doesn't work, just like obviously broken
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And this is the second time Anthropics done this.
Speaker 1: They did a store and the way they wrote it
Speaker 1: was like I'm doing air quotes because it was like,
Speaker 1: we had it run a store. Could it work?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: It made up meetings, it made up this, it did that,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, yeah, guess this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: But if it did, we'd have a vending machine.
Speaker 4: There are also people who like will use. They take
Speaker 4: all the models that pay for the premium uses of
Speaker 4: them and they let them loose on the stock market,
Speaker 4: and they're like that, this is great, let's see who
Speaker 4: does best eat shit.
Speaker 1: We already had that with night Capital in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: I think it was they had.
Speaker 5: I mean algorithmic trainings thing. For a while, I haven't
Speaker 5: I have not heard about the l M trading terrifying.
Speaker 1: I love that idea.
Speaker 4: It does not work.
Speaker 1: Well. It's it's because most stock advice online is bullshit.
Speaker 1: In fact, almost all stock advices bullshit, because if you
Speaker 1: actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't ship it.
Speaker 3: Would not be talking about it, would just trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's really good that they're working on
Speaker 1: ways to to do vending machines.
Speaker 4: Jesus. Do you guys feel over the past two or
Speaker 4: even three years that you're also seeing a lot of
Speaker 4: times there's a product that actually has maybe some interesting
Speaker 4: improvement and how it functions and and it's and and
Speaker 4: maybe and how a consumer can use it, But they
Speaker 4: just feel I cannot actually get people interest in this
Speaker 4: unless I say there's AI and to graft it onto this.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to understand because I feel like I
Speaker 4: keep seeing products where it's like, I don't actually understand
Speaker 4: what the AI here is. I talk to you, you
Speaker 4: don't really seem to.
Speaker 1: Have televisions TV. That's my answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the smart TV thing.
Speaker 1: Every I've been walking around, it's like, oh, does it
Speaker 1: help with the picture? No? No, No. If you ask
Speaker 1: it what what the capital of Washington state is, it
Speaker 1: can sometimes answer it's like great. Anything else, like could
Speaker 1: it control the TV's funk? Oh? God, No, you can't
Speaker 1: turn the volume up, And even if it could, it
Speaker 1: would be like volume up, volume messed up.
Speaker 6: It's honestly, I think that the thing for me actually
Speaker 6: to circle back to where we started maybe the smart glasses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, smart glasses were kind kind of kind.
Speaker 6: Of the same like three four years ago, and they're
Speaker 6: now trying to keep selling them by by framing them
Speaker 6: as you know, AI powered smart glasses, when the practical
Speaker 6: functionality is almost identical and you have you had that
Speaker 6: one like New York startup, it was like that cheating
Speaker 6: smart glasses clearly clearly Oh yeah right, So like they're
Speaker 6: trying to find these these ways to like make smart glasses,
Speaker 6: to like find fine find ways to convince people to
Speaker 6: tactually buy these things.
Speaker 1: It's just like what freak would use them?
Speaker 3: And that's the problem.
Speaker 6: And the only the only thing that's actually think got
Speaker 6: people to buy the smart glasses is the covert recording.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing that's actually gotten people to like
Speaker 6: buy and wear these things is that you can secretly
Speaker 6: record people.
Speaker 3: And that's that, more than the AI thing has actually
Speaker 3: been the thing that sold these glasses.
Speaker 5: I wonder if there's gonna be more. I mean, like
Speaker 5: I remember, I'm old enough to remember the glass backlash.
Speaker 3: How is that not New York people break them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was this amazing video of someone on the
Speaker 1: subway and he's got just like exactly the kind of
Speaker 1: white guy know you're going to do something you can do,
Speaker 1: And the woman is just staring dead eyed at the
Speaker 1: camera just kind of like come over here, see what happens.
Speaker 4: Doesn't got in trouble?
Speaker 1: They should they should get the key to the city,
Speaker 1: Donnie Caliphate should elevate them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're looking into it.
Speaker 1: No, it's I just also like who is walking around?
Speaker 1: I was saying, It's just like who's walking around being
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is going on? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: What is that? It's good? Who was sitting around being
Speaker 1: like what kind of tree?
Speaker 3: That would be a great? That would be a great?
Speaker 3: Tim Robinson care that is just what the fuck is
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 4: A friend of the show case Newton once, I think,
Speaker 4: promoted something about how it was like this AI thing
Speaker 4: you could talk about and ask questions as you were
Speaker 4: on a drive about like maybe you're driving over a
Speaker 4: bridge and you're asking like, okay, like how old is
Speaker 4: the bridge?
Speaker 1: What does it mean?
Speaker 4: And so I was like, well you also can just
Speaker 4: like ask yourself those questions or look it up.
Speaker 6: Or like yeah, it's taking away the American the American
Speaker 6: right to be driving while scrolling on your phone.
Speaker 4: It's not, which is also funny because they sold it
Speaker 4: as like a safety thing. I feel like it would
Speaker 4: be have better standing than Actually, haven't you ever just
Speaker 4: want looked at something? How are they not going on there?
Speaker 6: How are they not marketing it as like a safety
Speaker 6: thing for like for like how like like a you know,
Speaker 6: like hands free enabled like like search while driving.
Speaker 4: You want to ship post while you're driving?
Speaker 5: It has Yeah, they have to do that.
Speaker 1: I just don't walk around thinking things like that. Like
Speaker 1: I don't do walk around and be like walk maybe
Speaker 1: if I'm like in a botanical god, right, what kind
Speaker 1: of flowers that?
Speaker 3: But I mean, I I do.
Speaker 5: I just I just write the Wikipedia all day.
Speaker 3: I write I working around, you know, I I do.
Speaker 6: I just would either remember to look it up later
Speaker 6: or like or take down notes to it because so
Speaker 6: I can enjoy the thing in person when I'm there
Speaker 6: and then if I want.
Speaker 4: To, Yeah, I don't want to disembodied being like if I.
Speaker 6: Want to learn about it, I can get like a
Speaker 6: coffee somewhere and like look it up. And that's that's
Speaker 6: like a separate, a separate experience.
Speaker 4: It's just what And it's a good one too. It's
Speaker 4: also good, I think, like the thing I'm always surprised
Speaker 4: by is they're always trying to paint any non AI
Speaker 4: mediated experience as a bad, inefficient, inferior experience, and that
Speaker 4: actually what you really want, which you don't really know
Speaker 4: you want, is you want to have an interlocutor that
Speaker 4: is not real.
Speaker 6: This reminds me of the very first product that I
Speaker 6: I that was mentioned during the ct A keynote. And
Speaker 6: this is something that I have not found on the
Speaker 6: show floor yet, and I I have to.
Speaker 3: I have to look it up.
Speaker 4: I have to.
Speaker 3: I have to find it and talk.
Speaker 4: To these people.
Speaker 3: It is you're you're love to set.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is an AI holographic wind shield display for
Speaker 6: your car.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, let's talk about it. So I know,
Speaker 1: I'm actually not going to be as syne as you expect,
Speaker 1: because this is a fairly standard thing like BMW has
Speaker 1: that look like heads up heads up display, which is.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's it's a digital interface on on the windshield.
Speaker 3: So it kind of already got those on the windshield.
Speaker 6: So the whole thing, all across the whole thing, Oh
Speaker 6: my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you have, you have like you have.
Speaker 6: Like you know weather, you have maps, you have all
Speaker 6: all these random things. If you could you compare it
Speaker 6: with some kind of smart glasses that you can search
Speaker 6: and you can see results there. God, And so I
Speaker 6: need to actually find the company. I need to find
Speaker 6: the companies like location and they ask them about it,
Speaker 6: and like to expect like the you know, the obvious
Speaker 6: like safety problems of like if something goes wrong and
Speaker 6: the screen gets blocked.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: It's it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Is led by the car crash industry, like you.
Speaker 6: Said, like there is there is versions of this thing
Speaker 6: which which kind of work. I think keeping it away
Speaker 6: from the windshield probably a good idea. Keep keep the
Speaker 6: display on like the dashboard, but having it directly on
Speaker 6: like on like the borders and emerging onto the center
Speaker 6: of the entire y and.
Speaker 1: Your eye level, so you take your off the road.
Speaker 6: And you have to look to the courner and specific
Speaker 6: on the on the because there was like one picture
Speaker 6: of it during the keynote, and they have information like
Speaker 6: all across the board.
Speaker 3: So yeah, your eyes are gonna be darting to the.
Speaker 6: Other side to like the corner of the road to
Speaker 6: read some kind of like pop up thing on the screen.
Speaker 1: I love being on my phone. I want to be kid.
Speaker 1: I love the computer so much. I have so many screens,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. When I'm driving, I quite enjoy
Speaker 1: not having that. I enjoy I can listen to a
Speaker 1: podcast drive back from girl friend. Listen to last podcast
Speaker 1: on the Left the other day that was lovely and
Speaker 1: all about Casey Anthony, horrible, truly awful stuff. Didn't get
Speaker 1: that in England. But it's like that, and like the
Speaker 1: time when I was just facing forward and listening and
Speaker 1: spending some quality time with someone I love. Like when
Speaker 1: I'm driving on my own, I get chruts to listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts or listen to music.
Speaker 4: I don't want to bleep, I don't what's.
Speaker 1: The way Like I can look at the window and
Speaker 1: I imagine I sound like fucking Dennis Larry.
Speaker 4: Like driving it's a beautiful road up state, and you
Speaker 4: get and you get an intrusive thought, what year did
Speaker 4: Genghis comment? And you ask it and you and the
Speaker 4: screen lights up like someone threw a flash bang inside,
Speaker 4: because every surface gets illuminated with information.
Speaker 1: Genghis Calm was born in nineteen eighty two twelve fifty eight.
Speaker 5: For ten years, though, like the auto industry has been
Speaker 5: coming to CEOs and trying to do what I think
Speaker 5: like all of these AI companies are trying to do,
Speaker 5: which is ultimately either replaced like Google or really like
Speaker 5: your phone as like the portal to the digital realm. Yes,
Speaker 5: and there was and and like to to this day,
Speaker 5: there's still this like battle inside these OEMs of like
Speaker 5: of there's factions believe like that car should be cars
Speaker 5: and they're actually sort of you're seeing sort of like
Speaker 5: physical buttons come back. That pendulum is swinging back, and
Speaker 5: I think that's because the reality is is that your
Speaker 5: phone is still the best way to do all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But they're working on making that was I will say
Speaker 1: it was exciting when it was at the Renaissance Hotel.
Speaker 1: I saw Faraday Future. Oh they're still here. Yeah, They've
Speaker 1: got like these weird like dad wagons. Now, so that's
Speaker 1: a lot and story. Tell me if I'm wrong. Faraday
Speaker 1: Future is a company that sometimes makes cars but sometimes
Speaker 1: goes bankrupt.
Speaker 5: So they've managed amazing. They're one of these companies that
Speaker 5: like no one is quite sure how they haven't gone.
Speaker 1: Bankrupt they did. I'm thinking of Fisco.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fiskers. We've gone through two Fiskers. Yeah yeah, No,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of different ones to one.
Speaker 4: They've gone bank wept and then they're like we're back.
Speaker 5: It was this guy started a second company sick I
Speaker 5: think was.
Speaker 1: The one with all the weird Chinese money market.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, well so the first one was one that
Speaker 5: was sort of like it was like a kind of
Speaker 5: like sexier model s sort of it, but it was
Speaker 5: like a hybrid, so it wasn't quite like that electric.
Speaker 5: So that was sort of you know, twenty thirty fourteen
Speaker 5: fifteen something that went bankrupt, and then he came back
Speaker 5: and made this car, the Fisker Ocean Boy Future though,
Speaker 5: the fair Day Future. Okay, so it's like it's like
Speaker 5: this Chinese I think money laundering operation. I'm really you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure. I'm not comfortable calling them an automaker.
Speaker 1: Well, they have costs them and they have like three screens.
Speaker 4: No, I remember they have a car.
Speaker 5: I think was it twenty seventeen that they there was
Speaker 5: a there was a they they were one of the
Speaker 5: in the peak sort of like post or sort of
Speaker 5: like Tesla fueled like car car hype era. They had
Speaker 5: like a legendarily them it was them an Eco. I
Speaker 5: get the two of them mixed up, but there were
Speaker 5: both of them had like legendarily like like bad but
Speaker 5: like expensive and massive like spectacles.
Speaker 1: Here that like did not go well my kind of call.
Speaker 5: And then like the next year they were like they
Speaker 5: didn't even have a booth, but they would just sort
Speaker 5: of like brought their car and just sort of like
Speaker 5: parked it on the curb and people would see it.
Speaker 5: And like I think they have they're supposed to have
Speaker 5: a factory here that I think there's like three different
Speaker 5: places where they're spposed to have factories. We're supposed to
Speaker 5: be one in southern California and one here, and then
Speaker 5: I feel like they pivoted to AI at some point
Speaker 5: there too. But I genuinely like there's only so much
Speaker 5: you can pay attention to.
Speaker 3: So it's the it's the Hoyundai mobis Mobius.
Speaker 6: I guess it's more holographic windshield display, which is a
Speaker 6: transparent display system that transforms the vehicles windshield into a
Speaker 6: digital interface.
Speaker 1: I don't I want to win.
Speaker 6: The technology enables to display of navigation, driving data, and
Speaker 6: digital content while maintaining cockfit openness invisibility.
Speaker 1: Someone's watching Porno on that immediately.
Speaker 6: Just my uber drive for being projected onto onto the windshield.
Speaker 1: Nice, I mean I already like everything we do it.
Speaker 5: Guys, look at the road. Have you seen the size
Speaker 5: of screens in modern cars too?
Speaker 1: Like you.
Speaker 3: Like why you can see? Why?
Speaker 6: Why are they projecting a fucking movie on the on
Speaker 6: the right side of the windsheet avatar.
Speaker 1: It gets where like these people don't have human experiences
Speaker 1: because these people all get car service one hundred. You
Speaker 1: think these people like getting in that car to drive
Speaker 1: other than like the.
Speaker 4: So you think they're trying to be like, how do
Speaker 4: we create what you want from first?
Speaker 1: No, it's like what do those fucking pigs who drive
Speaker 1: around all day?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't look at my driver, but like when he drives,
Speaker 1: he seems to be looking at that transparency.
Speaker 6: He's just looking off into nothing. Yeah, he should be
Speaker 6: maximizing his efficiency.
Speaker 1: What if he was maxim what if he was content max.
Speaker 3: Why don't we have linked in on the windshield?
Speaker 6: But like you know, they did like parts of this,
Speaker 6: like like having having like the navigation map like right
Speaker 6: above the steering wheel. Maybe not a bad idea, maybe
Speaker 6: not a terrible idea, kindly happening having a movie having
Speaker 6: digital content displayed on the right side of the windshield.
Speaker 5: Like why, well, so, I'll tell you I think that
Speaker 5: I'm guessing. Knowing the auto industry sort of the the
Speaker 5: thinking behind this is probably that this is like a
Speaker 5: software addressable thing, right, so, in the same way that
Speaker 5: Tesla took all of these controls that used to be
Speaker 5: with knobs and buttons and dials and menus and this
Speaker 5: and that and put it all onto basically like an iPad,
Speaker 5: this is sort of the next generation of that, where
Speaker 5: then you have you're no longer constrained to one's screen.
Speaker 5: You can create like almost infinite variety. If it's sort
Speaker 5: of a projection based system, that's projection. That's how I
Speaker 5: so so. And again it's you know, I think you
Speaker 5: know in the auto industry, you know, you want to
Speaker 5: make an investment in in in hardware that you can
Speaker 5: then maximize over a lot of time. And so you know,
Speaker 5: software addressability is like the or software defined. Software defined
Speaker 5: vehicle is like the buzzword, right yeah, And and the
Speaker 5: idea is that you can do what Tesla has done,
Speaker 5: which nobody in the industry thought was possible, which is
Speaker 5: make the same car for ten fucking years and just
Speaker 5: you know, throw throw the plubs some like fresh software
Speaker 5: updates every every six months or so, high.
Speaker 6: High brightness, full color images directly onto the glass.
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Speaker 7: And thank you for having me with here.
Speaker 1: So I actually I'm going to start off by saying
Speaker 1: I saw something I kind of liked. Maybe it's kind
Speaker 1: of like there's a specific use case for this, like
Speaker 1: show flows whatever. I saw a company that's doing wireless TVs,
Speaker 1: like it's a wireless bracket. You put the TV on
Speaker 1: it and charges that you can charge it, and they
Speaker 1: sell their on TVs. I thought it was cool. I
Speaker 1: thought it was fun that somebody did something new. And
Speaker 1: maybe this is just how beaten down I am from
Speaker 1: years of CS. I'm like, what if a TV was wireless?
Speaker 1: I guess, and it's like, yeah, I saw that. I
Speaker 1: talked to them for longer than I think they expected
Speaker 1: and then just walked off. And I think they expected
Speaker 1: I was gonna get a business cards. I didn't.
Speaker 7: So it has like a battery packing of it on
Speaker 7: a charge. Again, you pull it somewhere else, or how
Speaker 7: wireless is it?
Speaker 1: You have to You can put any TV on the thing,
Speaker 1: you click it in and it powers the TV and
Speaker 1: they o their own ones as well. I thought it
Speaker 1: was fun. I thought it was fun, And now now
Speaker 1: saying it out loud, I see the kind of dead
Speaker 1: eyes of everyone looking at me. I'm like, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I slightly had more fun with this than anyone else.
Speaker 1: Ever will it.
Speaker 5: Sounds like it would kill with those people who are
Speaker 5: like obsessive about cable management.
Speaker 1: No, they did. They also may have did. They didn't
Speaker 1: laugh when I said this, even though I thought it
Speaker 1: was very I was like, they were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the you can do one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: inch with four TV screens and they were like yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of like trade shows. I'm like, yeah, that's useful.
Speaker 1: Or you could be like one of those insane gambling
Speaker 1: guys with TVs. And the woman just stared at me,
Speaker 1: just fucking I'd love to watch four sports games I love,
Speaker 1: like that's part of the fun of Vegas.
Speaker 7: Or the Oultimate Mario Kark Tournament.
Speaker 1: Marricot Tournament, Land Party Brothers, Smash Brothers. I did also see. Actually,
Speaker 1: and this is a genuinely good thing. It was a
Speaker 1: company called aura At a Mini Led four K TV.
Speaker 1: It was eighty five inches fifteen one five hundred ninety
Speaker 1: nine dollars, sorry, fifteen hundred dollars, and it came with
Speaker 1: the soundbar built into it. That's nice, Mini led big TV. Again,
Speaker 1: we're describing the things like it's just the thing that exists,
Speaker 1: but slightly better.
Speaker 4: It's all big as outdoor TV. Or it was one
Speaker 4: hundred hundred I mean, I don't know it felt like
Speaker 4: one hundred inches, but I have no idea how large
Speaker 4: it was. But at the same time, I do think
Speaker 4: that when I saw the marketing and outdoor TV, I
Speaker 4: was like, I think they should be illegal for an
Speaker 4: individual to buy it, but maybe we can let the businesses,
Speaker 4: you know, they let them buy these outdoor TVs.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got you have a TV in
Speaker 1: the garden.
Speaker 4: For the have the garden in the hot tip, the
Speaker 4: garden of.
Speaker 1: The hospitals, you want to have to smoke outside.
Speaker 7: You don't think there would have been an outdoor television
Speaker 7: but side Tony Sopranos Pool like, come.
Speaker 1: On, they also had them for a long time.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I'm coming in from New York. We're
Speaker 4: we're looking into it, and we're gonna ban them into
Speaker 4: mom Donnie Telephant, Okay, we're looking into outdoor television.
Speaker 1: Donnie's struggle sessions for outdoor TV. Hey, listen, we're starting
Speaker 1: there for landlords. It's the good Ship, Henry. What have
Speaker 1: you seen at the show? Now that now that my
Speaker 1: two things I like to bummed.
Speaker 7: Well bounce off the wireless TV stuff. It's not exactly wireless.
Speaker 7: You can see the one wire connection going to it.
Speaker 7: But LG's new Wallpaper TV is their new kind of
Speaker 7: take on what if an art TV was also an
Speaker 7: old led TV. Art TV is for the uninitiated. Samsung's
Speaker 7: frames you can put this is like an old ledge,
Speaker 7: So you don't really want to have a static image
Speaker 7: because you're gonna ruin your television that was burning. Instead,
Speaker 7: you can have a slideshow mode of your art, but
Speaker 7: it's it's like a nine millimeters thick and there's one
Speaker 7: power coming out of the back corner. You can hide it.
Speaker 7: And Samsung has been doing similar with the Frame Pro.
Speaker 7: But the thing I'm most excited about is it an
Speaker 7: eighty dollars ten thousand million power bank from Nimble. It
Speaker 7: breaks in half and one half has a USB connectors
Speaker 7: that unfolds. The other half has a USBC cable. So
Speaker 7: my best friend when we go out, he never brings
Speaker 7: a portable charger. I do now share the wealth, don't
Speaker 7: have to sit next to each other. And it's like
Speaker 7: actually solving a problem, which is like the CES question
Speaker 7: of like is this solving a shareholder dilemma and capitalism
Speaker 7: growth or is it doing something that like my parents
Speaker 7: will really like because one of them will remember to
Speaker 7: bring it and the other one will never remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Like, oh look I saw an
Speaker 1: LG thing where it was again another wireless team. There's
Speaker 1: a few of these things, but it was basically you
Speaker 1: have the TV in one plug and then you could
Speaker 1: plugle the hdmi shit into it. It was low latency,
Speaker 1: no latency. That's cool. But again it's like every we're
Speaker 1: describing doesn't feel like the future. Like I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: saying these things out loud. I'm like, yay, what if
Speaker 1: something was like uh, but that's right.
Speaker 5: That's like the bifurcation of the show is that it's
Speaker 5: either right these like small iterations that are actually useful,
Speaker 5: or it's these like wild behind the sky that will never.
Speaker 1: Apply, just don't work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you kind of have to have both for
Speaker 5: a show.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you know what I actually you don't
Speaker 1: have to have the vapor West stuff. It would be
Speaker 1: nice if because I don't know, maybe we're just out
Speaker 1: of ideas, but I don't I know that it may
Speaker 1: seem like I'm a huge synic. I would love to
Speaker 1: be wowed. I would love to be amazed, and I
Speaker 1: would love to see stuff that maybe go, Wow, new
Speaker 1: thing that I like.
Speaker 7: I'll be the positive guy again because okay, vaporware that
Speaker 7: becomes actual product and it wasn't vape word to begin with.
Speaker 7: We see the words concept product a lot of Yes.
Speaker 7: I think I might have mentioned last year that Lenovo
Speaker 7: had a laptop that would rotate it screen to try. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's actually going to be for sale. They announced they
Speaker 7: showed off the finished version of it this year. That
Speaker 7: much the price escapes me. I'm not even sure, but
Speaker 7: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing they I.
Speaker 7: Didn't write the article. My coworker CNN underscored he's got
Speaker 7: a video on it. We but no, it's it's it's
Speaker 7: like you knock on the lidden. It opened up on
Speaker 7: its own, and if you're in the kitchen and you're
Speaker 7: wanting to watch to read a recipe on your laptop
Speaker 7: screen and you're moving your head around, I could see
Speaker 7: that being useful also, content creators, Twitch people like all
Speaker 7: the sorts of people there is like it's a weird,
Speaker 7: you're gonna figure out who needs this, But it's something
Speaker 7: that was seemed like vaporware one year and actually is
Speaker 7: on sale and it's gonna come to sale the next
Speaker 7: So it's sort of like saying, hey, I don't think
Speaker 7: Cees is just for the next version of the humane human,
Speaker 7: the friend pendent like stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You have you seen any friend pendants? Though I'm looking,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for anything like that. I won't I want Oh.
Speaker 4: I think I saw, I saw. I did not get
Speaker 4: to go to the pendant. But there's there's a pendant
Speaker 4: on the Venetian Expo floor that I have to I
Speaker 4: have to chat with them about. I was a little
Speaker 4: too taken with all the biomeds.
Speaker 1: To Okay, No, I I really want to. I want
Speaker 1: more AI. That's hostile towards you. I want Look when
Speaker 1: Victoria was on a few months ago, where it was
Speaker 1: just like, no, that's not true. Just gaslight me. It's like,
Speaker 1: fuck me up, because you know what, stop pretending this
Speaker 1: is gonna be my friend, because I know it won't be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: I do love when they're like, hey, you know, like
Speaker 4: we're gonna have robots in these workplaces and they're just
Speaker 4: gonna be your buddy. Yeah, I'm not gonna be your worker,
Speaker 4: You're not gonna be your colleague. They're gonna be your slave.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be your buddy.
Speaker 1: So I was going through my photos as well, trying
Speaker 1: to find something useful. But I did find a booth
Speaker 1: where I could not work out what they did. It
Speaker 1: was just called wow Now and the tagline was make
Speaker 1: your inside outside, Make your inside outside.
Speaker 7: David Cronenberg.
Speaker 4: Thinks, but actually that is actually the plot of Shrouds.
Speaker 7: It's one of the best movies of the year.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a defense against fairies when you turn your clothes
Speaker 1: inside out. That's the only way they don't get.
Speaker 4: We will talk about that after.
Speaker 1: I saw a comebody called Palm where the logo kind
Speaker 1: of looked like you said, pawn. That was nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I really, I really did. Look. I've been looking
Speaker 1: for stuff. I saw a company called Zeus that was
Speaker 1: claiming they had the only GPUH designed for high performance workloads.
Speaker 4: And it's like they got love sense again, what's love sense?
Speaker 4: Sex toys? That's nice, but a little you know, maybe yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: just got some software power hat, power hat.
Speaker 1: You put the hound it's like and it gives you
Speaker 1: power one of those floppy hats. It connects to like
Speaker 1: a solar charger. I guess. Yeah, And dual USB A
Speaker 1: and jew USB seaports. You know what's a bit that's
Speaker 1: that is the only permissible one is like if you're
Speaker 1: like long distance hiking or a fisher. But the people
Speaker 1: buying this might maybe they'll be outdoors people like Robert Evans,
Speaker 1: I know, does a bunch of a bunch of like
Speaker 1: so I think he's done solo stuff where he's just
Speaker 1: like when he goes into the woods for a few months,
Speaker 1: like to hunt the Sasquatch. I'll ask him about that later,
Speaker 1: but it's like that makes sense, But I just I
Speaker 1: see this. I'm like, I want to believe man, but
Speaker 1: probably I.
Speaker 4: Believe them when they do a solar bonnet when they
Speaker 4: do from my people, then I know this series about this.
Speaker 7: The Solar par Real Canadian mouthy hat. He's always gonna
Speaker 7: be the Brandon Bastard every other year, Like come on.
Speaker 1: That big ass hack could probably fit fit PlayStation five
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 7: We won't get granted six anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But you know, will we get another pop banger like Happy? Well,
Speaker 1: not like we're getting any this year. Oh Fly or
Speaker 1: Die is a perfect album and he never made anything
Speaker 1: better than it. Farrel Williams come on my show and
Speaker 1: talk specifically about two thousand and five's Fly or Die
Speaker 1: Classic album. Great album. You should all listen to it.
Speaker 1: Email me if you've listened.
Speaker 4: We're talking about his beef with the Neptunes.
Speaker 1: No, not interested, just the album, and then he can
Speaker 1: explain to me why he hasn't made anything good like that.
Speaker 4: Since you don't think the Lego movie soundtrack was gonna
Speaker 4: be good.
Speaker 1: I think the Despicable meath had a pretty good soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I'll give it. I will give him the fact that
Speaker 1: Despicable Me despoakable me too. And to speak, three, no
Speaker 1: banana fucking. I had not thought about nano banana all day.
Speaker 5: It's not my fault. So one of the going the
Speaker 5: things that that makes this like absurd stuff so so
Speaker 5: interesting and so extra absurde to me is that there
Speaker 5: is like legitimate technological innovation going on right now. Like
Speaker 5: one of the big announcements is not kind of arguably
Speaker 5: the bigges announcement in the mobility space as this company
Speaker 5: called Donut Lab, and they're they're basically beat all the
Speaker 5: major automakers and battery companies to the punch on a
Speaker 5: or at least they say they have to a solid
Speaker 5: state battery and this something that means yeah, it just
Speaker 5: means so. Uh, it just means that it's it's solid.
Speaker 5: So it's a completely the rather than using a liquid
Speaker 5: or gel in the in the anode. It's it's just
Speaker 5: the whole battery is solid state.
Speaker 1: Yes, so just to be stupid, because I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Regular batteries are full of like liquids.
Speaker 5: Yes, I know, it's a it's a an electrolt yeah,
Speaker 5: fluid electrolyte.
Speaker 1: And and the solid state is just a break of something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 5: It is, and and it has like really specific advantages.
Speaker 5: So like they claim four hundred water hours per kilogram,
Speaker 5: like you know, not much denser than like modern you know, uh,
Speaker 5: like the current state of the art. But they say
Speaker 5: you can charge it in five minutes. I think what
Speaker 5: they said, like.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why the liquid ones charge slow. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So and what happens too is with the liquid ones,
Speaker 5: like they form dendrites and things, and so it's it's
Speaker 5: not it's I know, I get I get above my
Speaker 5: own pay grade really fast with this battery. Technology is
Speaker 5: like really complex, but basically you can think of it
Speaker 5: as like sort of almost like crystalline structures.
Speaker 1: Okay, so things full insight and slow them down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and and it creates friction and heat and
Speaker 5: then fire the solid the solid state does not have
Speaker 5: that issue. So it's like unaffected by temperature cool and
Speaker 5: and you can charge it really really that's actually.
Speaker 4: Like really good. And that unlocks does that unlock new
Speaker 4: to use cases? Then if it's like you don't have
Speaker 4: to worry about the internal temperature, maybe you can run
Speaker 4: it a little bit hotter than well.
Speaker 1: I mean it would it would be.
Speaker 5: It's so, I mean, I like, ideally, this is this
Speaker 5: is the future, right, and and so like all the
Speaker 5: major automakers are are doing this, and they all make
Speaker 5: kind of somewhat similar claim. So like right they say, like, uh,
Speaker 5: you fully charge in ten minutes, sixty kilometers will combined
Speaker 5: range per minute of charging and up to see six
Speaker 5: hundred kilometers on a single sorry for the metrics.
Speaker 1: No, No, this is great. No.
Speaker 5: So I think like it's this is something that that right,
Speaker 5: Toyota has been working on talking about for a long time.
Speaker 5: Hyundai's doing it, like the Chinese battery supplies as well.
Speaker 5: I think this is like a little British consulting firm
Speaker 5: and their first use case is a motorcycle, so it's
Speaker 5: a little questionable show it. Yeah, so apparently the motorcycles
Speaker 5: are going to be shipping this year so like or
Speaker 5: like first quarter of this year.
Speaker 4: So they should have a guy just doing the six
Speaker 4: hundred klometers around.
Speaker 5: Well, and with all this stuff anything automotive you got
Speaker 5: evalidated over so many miles, and the idea that they're
Speaker 5: going to be able to build this at at the
Speaker 5: quality and then and carelessness.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but this is the city of traffic and the
Speaker 7: frustration beating around. How you talk to any journalists doing
Speaker 7: ces this year, you will see somebody who has been
Speaker 7: frustrated about how long it takes an uber. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: that is the kind of thing where hands on or
Speaker 7: hands off demos are the thing that would really sell
Speaker 7: it and have like even.
Speaker 1: Like an e bike would be Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just read about it. I wasn't at their
Speaker 5: event or anything. I haven't been in touch with them,
Speaker 5: so they may be getting down something. But I think
Speaker 5: that what I've read about it, like there's a little
Speaker 5: bit of like how are these guys like kind of the.
Speaker 1: First that's my first thought, Like it's a little British consultancy,
Speaker 1: never ever trust the British and also just is Britain
Speaker 1: a hub for battery technology?
Speaker 5: It has been more so?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so like I don't want this to be fake,
Speaker 1: I want this to be real.
Speaker 5: No, no, like there are incredible British engineering outfits, especially
Speaker 5: in the odd motive space. So like a lot of
Speaker 5: Formula one engineering work takes place in the UK, right
Speaker 5: of course, yeah and so, and that's all heavily electrified
Speaker 5: now and becoming more so with the new twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You were in the car section as well, right, do.
Speaker 5: You see anything just very briefly unfortunately, Yeah, I had
Speaker 5: to go to uh I've listened to the then administrator
Speaker 5: uh talk, which is how was that? I mean, honestly,
Speaker 5: like for this administration, it was like sort of surprising.
Speaker 1: That's the National Highway.
Speaker 5: Traffic Safety Administration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remembered all those words. Yeah, but anything good
Speaker 1: or just well.
Speaker 5: From that conversation, it was like a much higher level
Speaker 5: of sophistication than I expected from someone who works for
Speaker 5: Sean Duffy. Okay, yeah, this was like a pleasant, pleasant
Speaker 5: surprise and and like clearly like, uh, you know, I
Speaker 5: think I think the administration wants to be seen as
Speaker 5: doing something to help autonomous vehicles. Right, The problem is
Speaker 5: that like regulation is not actually preventing autonomous vehicle deployment,
Speaker 5: Like that's not it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of like AI. It's like they're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: need less regulations around AI. It's like that is we
Speaker 1: don't have those. Yeah, oh we got one guy think
Speaker 1: that fuck off. The problem is you don't have enough power,
Speaker 1: and no one wants to pay for a dickhead with
Speaker 1: the problems, cause it seems like the problem is the
Speaker 1: edge cases, like you were mentioning, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So he was talking and this is interesting. So kind
Speaker 5: of the big challenge with avs is that, right, like
Speaker 5: you can't just create a right, we have a driver's test, Right,
Speaker 5: you go out and you do some basic things and
Speaker 5: you prove that you have the sort of like general
Speaker 5: capability and they sign off you didn't almost kill anyone,
Speaker 5: and you can be a driver. Now that doesn't work
Speaker 5: with this technology because all you do is train for
Speaker 5: the test, yeah, right, and then you get vehicles to
Speaker 5: train for the test, and then they pass the test
Speaker 5: and they go out and they're like totally useless in
Speaker 5: the real world. So this is actually like a non
Speaker 5: creating regulation for a V is actually much less trivia
Speaker 5: of a problem than people think it's.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: People are very quick to say, oh, we'll just regulate it. Well,
Speaker 5: when you get into the weeds of how to do it,
Speaker 5: it's actually quite complex. And again I was shocked that
Speaker 5: that the guy at NITZA is actually has like a
Speaker 5: an ar secular level. Yeah, and like a kind of
Speaker 5: a sophisticated sense of like, Okay, you need to have
Speaker 5: a test, but you can't have it be some static thing,
Speaker 5: and and like the fact is like you know, we
Speaker 5: have this sort of self certification system anyway, and that
Speaker 5: like if you're faking compliance with the safety standard that
Speaker 5: that's sort of illegal already and stuff. So it was
Speaker 5: like sort of encouraging. The problem is is that is
Speaker 5: that this is also being used as like a paragraph
Speaker 5: at the federal level because states, right, so like historically
Speaker 5: cars are regulated by the federal government, drivers are regulated
Speaker 5: by the state the state DMV. Well, so that's a
Speaker 5: huge problem, right, Like the av companies absolutely do not
Speaker 5: want the patchwork of regulation, and so they're trying to
Speaker 5: get a test at the federal level so that they
Speaker 5: can kind of preempt the state's right to regulate interesting systems.
Speaker 1: I guess it's regulating technology, but kind of regulating a
Speaker 1: driver as well.
Speaker 5: These two separate things have become one, and in a
Speaker 5: real sense it is much more of regulating a driver.
Speaker 1: Calculates something when you have the because from my understanding
Speaker 1: with these autonomous cars, you actually have an overlord watching
Speaker 1: is what you have a customer service rep. How does
Speaker 1: that play into them?
Speaker 5: So, yeah, this is one of the most misunderstood and
Speaker 5: you know, different companies do things differently. Different companies have
Speaker 5: different levels of transparency around this, so you know, no
Speaker 5: one description is going to be true true of everything.
Speaker 5: But like for example, with way Mo, what they say
Speaker 5: and I think that have like pretty good credibility on it,
Speaker 5: is that right, Like for a vehicle to be autonomous,
Speaker 5: and this is sort of the established like you know,
Speaker 5: engineering view of and for a vehicle to be autonomous,
Speaker 5: when it encounters something that it cannot deal with, it
Speaker 5: has to perform what's called fallback autonomously. It has to
Speaker 5: return to what's called a minimal risk condition. And this
Speaker 5: is like not a defying thing. It just means the
Speaker 5: safest place to sort of pull over and if you're
Speaker 5: not doing that autonomously. It's not autonomous. And so like
Speaker 5: Tesla's are not autonomous because when they fail, the human
Speaker 5: has to step in and intervene. A lot of people
Speaker 5: believe that, because there there is this link that every
Speaker 5: av has to either a remote operator or the ability
Speaker 5: to send new guidance to the vehicle, that that is
Speaker 5: somehow remotely intervening to prevent a crash.
Speaker 1: That's that's physically not it's not possible. That's what's not
Speaker 1: possible because I didn't imagine they had the joystickers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that folks have tried it,
Speaker 5: and it's it just doesn't work. So so what happens
Speaker 5: is that right system, when counter something you can't deal with,
Speaker 5: it performs a fallback autonomously. The new guidance is just
Speaker 5: to sort of get it through.
Speaker 1: You have to get it out of that little.
Speaker 5: And then and then it takes back over it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so changing gears, Henry, What if if you see
Speaker 1: anything interesting laptop wise, and you mentioned a concrete keyboard,
Speaker 1: which sounds good for hitting people.
Speaker 7: Yeah, key kron actually is doing really fun stuff with
Speaker 7: the materials that they're keyboards, wireless keyboards are made out
Speaker 7: of There was one that was porcelain like in one
Speaker 7: of those concrete. I was thinking, even the most angry
Speaker 7: redditors won't be able to move this by typing, Like
Speaker 7: you might use it for self defense if you're that
Speaker 7: kind of person, but like I was, but you were.
Speaker 7: What I was just talking about that made me really
Speaker 7: think was building some for the test. And while okay,
Speaker 7: laptop said, yes, there is a big story sort of
Speaker 7: happening with Dell and pricing, but did people see the
Speaker 7: LG laundry folding robot thing?
Speaker 1: No, it I saw the robot. I didn't see it
Speaker 1: fold anything.
Speaker 7: I didn't see it folding anything. I thought moving one
Speaker 7: thing to another. And I was like, is this being
Speaker 7: designed to beat the to do the test of the conventions?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: And then do every sound like SU's why. I'm just like,
Speaker 7: it's also doing at the slowest the It's the the
Speaker 7: sloth in the Zutopia Like, I'm like, so that's the thing.
Speaker 7: But so in laptops. One of the most interesting things
Speaker 7: is a year ago Dell said the XPS brand was dead.
Speaker 7: It was replacing Dell XPS fourteen with Dell Premium fourteen
Speaker 7: and Tech journalsts everywhere were like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5: I love my XPS, people love it.
Speaker 7: And then this year they literally an exact came out
Speaker 7: and said, I owe you an apology. You guys were right,
Speaker 7: and then they released the dogs ps' is back. And
Speaker 7: here's the weird thing. Though they got rid of all
Speaker 7: the things we hated about it. The function keys are
Speaker 7: actually physical keys. Again that had a weird capacitive touch thing. God,
Speaker 7: but it was light up. It wasn't no let like
Speaker 7: the touch bar on the Max. But the problem is
Speaker 7: that I believe, let me just check me. I believe
Speaker 7: it's they had a last second price change on it,
Speaker 7: and I believe it's gonna be two thy fifty for
Speaker 7: the starting price at first for the fourteen inch XPS. No,
Speaker 7: and it's gonna in February. There will be lower price,
Speaker 7: much lower price under two thousand dollars versions. And they
Speaker 7: didn't say why this is. We can all assume one
Speaker 7: of two things. What is it tariffs or memory shortage?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the RAM thing is fucking everything up. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've talked to anyone else at the show,
Speaker 1: but I've been hearing from quite a few people that
Speaker 1: this is just fucking up everything now because of AI.
Speaker 1: That is just smart for the Samsung mentioned they're going
Speaker 1: to raise the price of phones because of because of
Speaker 1: fucking AI and RAM kill me.
Speaker 7: People are saying that the iPhone eighteen not coming until
Speaker 7: next year supposedly is due to that because Apple wants
Speaker 7: to wait for the lowest costing phone. They want to
Speaker 7: wait to wait out this freaking memory shortage problem, because
Speaker 7: that's the rumor at least right they're moving to a
Speaker 7: spring year cadence for the main phone. But like it's
Speaker 7: laptops from here on out, we're a little bit concerned
Speaker 7: about what if there's gonna be a good amount of RAM,
Speaker 7: or it's gonna be overpriced. Like it's yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 7: I have my m one fourteen inch MacBook Pro and
Speaker 7: that's gonna last me forever, perfully, But.
Speaker 1: It kind of feels like it's gonna price people out
Speaker 1: of electronics soon because Tariff's already raised things and now
Speaker 1: RAM is gonna raise things. Also that we can generate
Speaker 1: sexy of wifus, I guess like it's very strange and
Speaker 1: I don't think I've never seen anything like it in
Speaker 1: the history of tech, Like we've seen shortages around COVID
Speaker 1: and then post COVID, but I don't remember. Just like
Speaker 1: the I remember the price of everything going out. The
Speaker 1: thing's becoming hard. It's to get in general, but not
Speaker 1: like one thing within the computing world.
Speaker 5: And to be fucking up a business that makes money
Speaker 5: in order to build a business that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Well, this is making tons of money, sure, yeah, but
Speaker 1: every other business. That's That's when I'm saying, like devices
Speaker 1: broadly are going to take a hit because of the
Speaker 1: PC sales already down.
Speaker 7: I think I did not keep track of that, thankfully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's I just ah, I keep coming
Speaker 1: to the show expecting the future, but it just kind
Speaker 1: of feels dystopian, but not in like the cyberpunk way,
Speaker 1: but just in a everything's more expensive and slowing down way. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, okay, this is the funniest part of all things.
Speaker 7: I never expected to get faster. Amazon's revealed that the
Speaker 7: fire TV interface is getting an update and it's getting faster.
Speaker 1: They're making you find a TV's Amazon store.
Speaker 7: They're just updating the OLS basically, and they've updated a
Speaker 7: couple of things. But they showed I was watching it
Speaker 7: today and it was loading smoothly and it looked a
Speaker 7: little cleaner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you use these TVs, they off fuck it.
Speaker 1: It's like you you hit the button, it takes like
Speaker 1: three seconds for the post to move.
Speaker 4: For five years. That broke only because I was I
Speaker 4: had a bunch of people in my room and one
Speaker 4: of them rammed up into it because it was getting routed.
Speaker 4: Then it smashed into the floor. Indestructible.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, yeah, you you what you mean is you were
Speaker 1: wearing your freezer costume, ballowy and the tail and I may.
Speaker 4: Have been a little lit and then yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 7: It gets worse if you just bought the Prime day
Speaker 7: cheapest fire TV stick and who knows how low powered
Speaker 7: that is trying to run whatever. But they said every
Speaker 7: one they they showed it off on a demo on
Speaker 7: a regular TV that was running their fire os, and
Speaker 7: I was just like watching going. I've been recommending Roku
Speaker 7: to my parents and for a lot of people for
Speaker 7: a while. It's simple and it's easy for people just
Speaker 7: want a grid of tiles like nobody can afford. Not
Speaker 7: everybody can afford Apple TV. I wish they could, and
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people think Google TV is
Speaker 7: content overload?
Speaker 6: It is?
Speaker 7: And it's like you're just getting U Black Mirror episode two?
Speaker 7: I think?
Speaker 1: Is that is? Is there a black mirror of time?
Speaker 4: But that? Or no?
Speaker 7: Just see all the ads? No, I remember it's the
Speaker 7: million credits episode and not Uh, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Seen any of it. Sorry, Charlie, Charlie does readmore. I'm sorry, Charlie,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 7: No, Amazon actually is answering the critic I've been writing
Speaker 7: in for a year. It's like, why is this so
Speaker 7: slow and stuttery? And so I can't wait to update
Speaker 7: the Nike shoe box of streaming six I have at
Speaker 7: home because I've been reviewing this stuff for how many
Speaker 7: years now? I've collected everything just to make sure I
Speaker 7: can cross reference in back reference.
Speaker 1: Do you see anything you really like though, Anything exciting?
Speaker 1: Anything good?
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't have the space for it in my home.
Speaker 7: But if you're a projector nerd watching stuffy, Samsung's Freestyle
Speaker 7: Plus that keeps auto adjusting to whatever space you put
Speaker 7: it on. It projected against curtains and c It was
Speaker 7: clear first of all, but it took a second you
Speaker 7: saw it like ripple, and then it auto corrected around
Speaker 7: to a rectangle on top of the curtain.
Speaker 1: That's actually cool.
Speaker 7: But it gets better because they had two different size
Speaker 7: projector screens that it was on, and if you moved
Speaker 7: it from one to the other, it recognized the black
Speaker 7: outline of the projection screen and it really automatically like
Speaker 7: it automatically resized.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 7: And then they did it on a three corner corner
Speaker 7: of a wall and it resized like I would go
Speaker 7: to Samsung's villa of its forever first look every year.
Speaker 7: It's like they have a minor city almost if you
Speaker 7: think Caesar's is a state, this Vegas, this is a
Speaker 7: minor city, and like the Freestyle plus projector is the
Speaker 7: thing that was.
Speaker 1: Like, whoa again, how much?
Speaker 7: Though I don't even if they have announced pricing because
Speaker 7: a lot of the stuff the don announce pricing. But
Speaker 7: the other weird thing from Samsung and I'm still trying
Speaker 7: to get to the bottom of it. In the corner
Speaker 7: of their experience, there was this s ninety five h
Speaker 7: o led TV that their claiming is can be an
Speaker 7: art TV and a regular but they had one static
Speaker 7: image on it for the entire multiple hours I was there,
Speaker 7: and I was like asking everybody, did you guys beat Burnin?
Speaker 7: What is going on here? How is this happening? I
Speaker 7: haven't gotten an answer yet. I don't know if it
Speaker 7: was just for the show of it all, like showing
Speaker 7: it can do it, but if they've somehow done it
Speaker 7: and they were quietly not explaining it. I have more
Speaker 7: questions for their PR team and that the process than
Speaker 7: I do their technical team.
Speaker 1: Good luck on those though, because they don't look from
Speaker 1: what I hear that piant and they're not particularly helpful
Speaker 1: with answers the question.
Speaker 7: They're responsive to email there. They're nice group of people.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe they've changed over the years, but.
Speaker 7: No, everybody's had trouble with different PR, a different outlet.
Speaker 7: It's not that's it all depends on who's your history
Speaker 7: of who.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing though, with these AUNT TVs, they're
Speaker 1: always a lovely idea, but it's like, I don't fucking
Speaker 1: know if I want some AUNT on my wall, I
Speaker 1: just put up ah And even I saw one of
Speaker 1: these e INC things as well, and to show there
Speaker 1: was like an entire hole of e INC things that
Speaker 1: just broke. It's just it's very artistic. Actually, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's just it's like a nice idea that
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, but again at the club last night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just too late for you. No, it's really
Speaker 1: it's frustrating as well, because some of these ideas are like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's a nice one. How much, Oh, just
Speaker 1: out of the range of most people. Oh, an e
Speaker 1: ink screen? Okay, I guess, but how much? Hundreds of dollars?
Speaker 1: Fucking I just they should have a cheap section. They
Speaker 1: should literally have a cheap section of this show, like
Speaker 1: a below three hundred bucks.
Speaker 5: I looked up the projector that I think they typically
Speaker 5: have cost around nine hundred bucks that they haven't announced.
Speaker 1: It's not particular worst I've heard for a projector. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like the Nebula X one pro, the toll
Speaker 1: things like five grand and the X one little boxes
Speaker 1: like and yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: Like a small tube like like it is a cute
Speaker 7: looking I want to call it pixar esque, but like, yeah,
Speaker 7: he is a nicely designed I was like, this is
Speaker 7: fun to use. I just haven't I have a TV
Speaker 7: and I don't care that it's a black rectangle something else.
Speaker 7: I'm not the audience for the art TV. I'm not
Speaker 7: really a projector audience. But while we were watching this
Speaker 7: freestyle plus and doing, I was like, Okay, this is cool.
Speaker 7: This is the article headline, this is like the actual.
Speaker 1: But also that's something you could use in an apartment
Speaker 1: potentially because it adapts to any surface. Finally, something that
Speaker 1: sounds useful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think Also it's like a I think
Speaker 5: a little bit of a premium thing too. I feel
Speaker 5: like screens TVs have gotten so cheap and so big
Speaker 5: that it's like having your TV like having it be
Speaker 5: either like disguised as art or like hidden as a
Speaker 5: projector like it's sort of like a I'm too good
Speaker 5: to even have a t TVs er for like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did see like the most limped stories
Speaker 1: like Amazon's used TVs have rounded corners. I'm just like
Speaker 1: at this at this point, they just just don't. You
Speaker 1: don't need to post about it, mate, who cares? It's
Speaker 1: got round Corners's nice? Yeah, it's just like and also
Speaker 1: I went and look, they look pointy. They looked, they
Speaker 1: looked actually pointing. Not a circular TV around, Give me
Speaker 1: a circular to Yeah, I want to round. I want
Speaker 1: I want a re a rhomboid television.
Speaker 5: Everything has to be filmed at the Fish Islands.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just though, if you want to do something weird, great,
Speaker 1: send it my way. Don't pretend like it's for everyone.
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Speaker 1: of CNN Underscored, And we've just been looking at fake
Speaker 1: stuff for a few minutes because I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: briefly about this thing called the pickle. Now, the pickle,
Speaker 1: the Pickle is yet more fucking smart glass bullshit. But
Speaker 1: what it is is it? They call it a soul computer,
Speaker 1: and I think just I think we can start at
Speaker 1: this point. If you call anything a soul computer, straight
Speaker 1: to jail, straight to jel, just to fucking write down
Speaker 1: you go. But what's great is this thing? Is this?
Speaker 1: It is these glasses that project images across the across
Speaker 1: the glasses, the transparent o leads, and then it has
Speaker 1: some mystical AI in it that remembers everything. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read this. For a better life in every dimension,
Speaker 1: we need an intelligence that sees with you, remembers your life,
Speaker 1: and learns to understand you. And you saw you soul.
Speaker 1: It talks to you. It can teete like guitar stuff,
Speaker 1: and it claims it has like memories of stuff you've
Speaker 1: seen before. Now this has caused some sort of scandal online.
Speaker 1: First of all, because it's blatantly fucking fake. And there's
Speaker 1: Matt Doward I think has gone completely nuts about it.
Speaker 1: It's just like this fucking fake And now the CEO
Speaker 1: of Pickle is now arguing with him. I love that.
Speaker 1: I just got to say, the CEO of Pickle, why
Speaker 1: is the company called Pickle? I don't fuck it to
Speaker 1: be extra special annoying? And Alex Heath was like, it's
Speaker 1: completely fake, it's stupid, it's wrong. But wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: cool if it was real?
Speaker 5: What if your soul was a pickle?
Speaker 1: What if? What if you Well, first of all, if
Speaker 1: you make a company called Pickle with a fake device,
Speaker 1: you probably don't have a soul.
Speaker 4: I have such a negative association with pickles because I
Speaker 4: had a roommate who would buy so many pickles and
Speaker 4: I touched them that they would fill up the fridge
Speaker 4: and it broke all the shelves.
Speaker 1: Just the compound weight of pickles.
Speaker 4: Yes, they opened the door and it's like an apple
Speaker 4: literally literally, and the and then glass also and pickle juice.
Speaker 1: What was the justification for purchasing so many of them?
Speaker 4: I like pickles, but would get so fucking how they again,
Speaker 4: all the pickles and how do you forget? You smoke
Speaker 4: a lot of weed, and then you go onto our basement,
Speaker 4: very spacious basement, right, and you smoke more weed and
Speaker 4: you just you get to the pickle dispensary, your fridge
Speaker 4: and you see your pickles. Splend No not your mind
Speaker 4: was like also one of their pickle.
Speaker 5: The answer is he didn't have a smart device.
Speaker 1: Remember, you don't need to buy more pickles. You have
Speaker 1: more pickles than you can ever desire. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: is now a scandal because basically everyone's saying this is
Speaker 1: fake and bullshit and the guy is just on X
Speaker 1: the Everything app just fucking going to town with people.
Speaker 1: It's so cool. I'm fine with that that this existing.
Speaker 1: But he has the post is it? Is?
Speaker 5: It sort of like a people are trying to do
Speaker 5: like a Marcus Browne with what was the device that
Speaker 5: he sort of like the human pin human pin.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reason I bring this up though, is I like
Speaker 1: that every last two CS is we've had oh no,
Speaker 1: maybe it was twenty twenty four. We had the Rabbit
Speaker 1: all one.
Speaker 7: That was twenty four, Yeah, twenty four Rabbit.
Speaker 4: That show is there?
Speaker 2: That one?
Speaker 1: No? It was before better Offline. I was a much
Speaker 1: largest sad of person. So I didn't really have as
Speaker 1: much fun as I could with it. But that was
Speaker 1: the one where like everyone fell for it because it
Speaker 1: was kind of real, and it's just like that company
Speaker 1: is still rolling around in its own filth.
Speaker 7: Didn't get acquired by like HP or somebody.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was the Human pand HP bought another
Speaker 1: company to put it with the Palm Prex. I guess like,
Speaker 1: like it's just really I think every year we need
Speaker 1: a fake thing. We need we need something that's like aggressively.
Speaker 4: Just got handed a bunch of handed fake that.
Speaker 1: What's you got there there? It just look like boxes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're boxes that hold things that remind me now
Speaker 4: that you said they look like the rabbit agents that
Speaker 4: can they AI agents, but they're in cardboard cardboard boxes
Speaker 4: that look like fridge magnets.
Speaker 1: Well you got in there because I'm quite curious to
Speaker 1: know what's in this box. And there's an AI agent.
Speaker 5: In that looks as a visual medium.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see some paper, I see I see it.
Speaker 4: There's two boxes and I'm also one right now.
Speaker 1: This is it's like a little green box.
Speaker 4: Little green magnet. I said, what is the it's an
Speaker 4: agentic Ai, I said, what's the agent? Party is like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, if you want a girlfriend? Can I see this?
Speaker 4: Can I see this? Thank you? Ai Pie.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is just a box with a connector on it.
Speaker 7: That is the memory.
Speaker 1: This is just a battery. Man, I'm gonna be no,
Speaker 1: it is. There's no agent in that. Well, I'm disappointed
Speaker 1: down now. The rabbit R one was an NFT project
Speaker 1: that I wrote like a huge piece about because they're
Speaker 1: fucking fake and te thing, but I like that we
Speaker 1: have we should have you. If you want to do fake,
Speaker 1: you have to go all the way because this is
Speaker 1: Fickle has the most glossy website. It's like the most
Speaker 1: like sheen Field website. It looks so professional on mobile.
Speaker 5: It just keeps going, Yeah, it's an.
Speaker 1: Endless and they're just like yeah, it'll do everything now
Speaker 1: if you fucking pig. But it's it just made me
Speaker 1: look at it. You look at that, like, wow, this
Speaker 1: looks very.
Speaker 4: This is another again and there's just there's something.
Speaker 1: It looks like another battery, but it's blue. It's got
Speaker 1: a screen. Tiny. Okay, so this thing is I'm just
Speaker 1: going to describe this to it, says X.
Speaker 4: X origin Origin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Origin, they're calling its z origin. There's zurrigein. Okay.
Speaker 1: I hit the button and it's like flashing blue and
Speaker 1: it is doing nothing else.
Speaker 4: Oh, you have to you have you gotta put them together.
Speaker 1: I put them together.
Speaker 4: Okay, you put them together. And then when A P
Speaker 4: I A I P I, when the AI pie AI
Speaker 4: pie is connected only to the battery module, pressed the
Speaker 4: power button briefly.
Speaker 1: Okay. I pressed the power button briefly, and after the
Speaker 1: white light turns on, white light turns on. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this is great for a audio medium, I realize. But
Speaker 1: the thing is about this is it's like this is
Speaker 1: just two It looks.
Speaker 4: Like we're playing with smart legos. Yeah, which is a thing.
Speaker 5: Hard to describe, how underwhelming it is, just like a.
Speaker 1: It's just the crap show now because but when you
Speaker 1: read about the pickle, it's funny, especially after a day
Speaker 1: of looking at actual smart glasses where everything is just blurry.
Speaker 1: And the guy was like, oh, what are you seeing?
Speaker 1: And it was I think, what were those ones? Where
Speaker 1: is that the TCL booth? I think I saw them
Speaker 1: because that one was it was like twelve hundred dollars
Speaker 1: and it didn't really work very well. You had to
Speaker 1: control it by these people don't use products, I think,
Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, you just like rub your finger
Speaker 1: across the top right part of it, and it was
Speaker 1: like a picture of Leonardo da Vinci and it's like
Speaker 1: photos and you could take video with it. And I
Speaker 1: had to walk away because all I could think of
Speaker 1: the back of evers, I just want to ask him
Speaker 1: what the fucking point of any of this is. But
Speaker 1: I think I would have turned into Werner Herze and
Speaker 1: make Peo put this device on my face and it
Speaker 1: takes me away from humanity and then you steal my
Speaker 1: money for it. But I was just decided not to
Speaker 1: do the bit there. It's just I'm I'm really this
Speaker 1: whole time, I've been trying to rack my brains of
Speaker 1: why I would ever want because I like the idea
Speaker 1: of a heads up display. I think the idea of
Speaker 1: walking around being able to pull one up. But all
Speaker 1: of these things seem to run into the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is they want to be constantly on. They don't
Speaker 1: want to they don't seem to want to be like
Speaker 1: things you briefly look at. They want to absorb your
Speaker 1: attention fully and it just doesn't feel like any device
Speaker 1: does that other than the phone, and the phone doing
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be for good reasons either or
Speaker 1: with good results.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I've been using the x real one sel. Okay,
Speaker 7: it's the newest and it's good. It's what I like
Speaker 7: about it is it will meet you where your posture is,
Speaker 7: especially if you're a pasture is Like let's say I'm
Speaker 7: in my hotel and I might want to play a
Speaker 7: video game on my like whatever portable. The lead didn't
Speaker 7: go s demos, But I don't want to hold this thing.
Speaker 7: So I was just going to flight for a while,
Speaker 7: right tired. But I put these glasses and I.
Speaker 1: Have and it's just a TV screen effectively.
Speaker 7: It puts the screen above you and you can move
Speaker 7: it and you can just have the controller in your hands.
Speaker 7: And sure, I feel like I'm in Wally's Origin stories
Speaker 7: at that point. But in that case, and if I
Speaker 7: had managed to pack it correctly on the airplane, which
Speaker 7: I couldn't because everybody goes to see s overpacks, it's
Speaker 7: the problem. But like no, I think x Rayal is
Speaker 7: one of these companies and they're doing a bunch of
Speaker 7: different partnerships. They're working with seemingly everybody possible, which you
Speaker 7: sort of want if like you want cross compatibility, right.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But I went to the X Real booth and I
Speaker 1: was I was kind of excited to go over there
Speaker 1: because I thought these are just gonna be glasses that
Speaker 1: little TV's in your eyes, and I'm like, way less.
Speaker 1: There are way more offensive things on the show. And
Speaker 1: I get there and there's just a fucking thing that
Speaker 1: says Vibe agent. And I try and they're like, you
Speaker 1: could book a demo. I'm like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: see you don't want to put me in a box
Speaker 1: with this fucking thing. Only one of us is I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a Vivans Vivan's agent. It's a Vivan's agent. I
Speaker 1: take metal Fen today and it's fine. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find this thing because it was so bizarre to me
Speaker 1: that they're just putting these words to It's like vibe
Speaker 1: description at this boy like AI agent glasses, fucking fucking
Speaker 1: slap and.
Speaker 5: Then it's just take slop.
Speaker 1: And I saw a guy, one of the demo guys,
Speaker 1: very overly eager fella was like yeah. I call these
Speaker 1: my Tony Stark glasses, and I tried to use them
Speaker 1: as like, sir, there's a line, and there was like
Speaker 1: a twenty five person line. I'm just like, oh god,
Speaker 1: this is just I don't lining up for anything feels
Speaker 1: deranged here. And I always think the same thing, which
Speaker 1: is if you had double the amounts of these, you
Speaker 1: would be fine. Maybe they're trying to do like they're
Speaker 1: trying to make it so that scarcity is that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: why is everyone lining up for this? Maybe they're just
Speaker 1: trying to put friction between people and the products they
Speaker 1: They just don't fucking work that well. Is there?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: There must be AI shit in this, I said agents No.
Speaker 7: No, I wonder was there were there? Where was this?
Speaker 7: Because were there two.
Speaker 1: Boots in the It was in the what's it called
Speaker 1: the South Hall?
Speaker 7: I believe because I've been going, because I've been that's
Speaker 7: affair like they are. I will say the words a
Speaker 7: slab as many times as I feel like it, and
Speaker 7: I don't think i've seen that much AI. If any ready.
Speaker 1: Reddit thread here saying the instant translation the Visual Assistant
Speaker 1: Object Recognition Productivity BOO boost quickly access shots remind us
Speaker 1: or instructions while you do something else.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's and it's an ex real product.
Speaker 1: Here we go, Project Aura. It feels like tomorrow. Jesus
Speaker 1: fucking Christ. It's on Android x A hands free control tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I see it. Yeah, it's an unlocked early access. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this is not something I have gotten my hands on yet.
Speaker 4: Why didn't they say it looks like tomorrow?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be.
Speaker 7: Because feel is something you feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, looks could be deceiving, Yes, it might
Speaker 4: not look like tomorrow.
Speaker 7: And then also look is the signature weasel word when
Speaker 7: you're not really able to commit to anything yet. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it looks like it open, it looks like it could
Speaker 7: be a company that isn't lying to us.
Speaker 4: But then why doesn't feel that?
Speaker 1: It's just like I keep seeing this thing of like this,
Speaker 1: they have this imaginary person who's just looking around, going
Speaker 1: what's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? Dude? What's that?
Speaker 1: What's that object? What's that?
Speaker 4: But then you come here and you do see that person,
Speaker 4: but the person is on the floor.
Speaker 5: Or hordes of that that photo that post of of
Speaker 5: just like the Horde trying to like break in at
Speaker 5: ten A.
Speaker 4: M Oh my god, yeah did I did I send
Speaker 4: you guys a picture like that?
Speaker 5: You posted the photo of the people like trying to
Speaker 5: break into the show floor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: The same thing. I was like, is it always like this?
Speaker 1: No? I and I said out, I'm like, what are
Speaker 1: you so excited about?
Speaker 4: I saw a crowd, the largest crowd I've seen yet
Speaker 4: in any CS around a room a new roomba device
Speaker 4: that wasn't a room but like a room room but
Speaker 4: s and I was like, what the.
Speaker 1: At least that's approving party, Like you said, that is
Speaker 1: something that works every year, and like last year. I
Speaker 1: didn't check out the robot vacuums this year, but I
Speaker 1: remember last year they were like, we've got little arms
Speaker 1: that can pick stuff up. I did. That actually led
Speaker 1: me to one of the funniest things. I'm sure that
Speaker 1: this was for like legitimate reasons. There's a robot vacuum
Speaker 1: company where you could pick up a cleaning struggle. It said, one,
Speaker 1: pick your struggle to drop your coin. Three get your magna.
Speaker 4: You're a now entering the cleaning struggles.
Speaker 1: And then it just had a dust always hides under
Speaker 1: low furniture. Hair always gets tangled in the brush. Too busy,
Speaker 1: no time to clean, Cleaning requires too much disassembly. I
Speaker 1: there are times when I want to know more, and
Speaker 1: there are times when I just read something. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I need, you know.
Speaker 5: But I like, this is the issue is that you
Speaker 5: can fully automated task, but like the robot will need
Speaker 5: to be maintained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like do you want to?
Speaker 5: You're sort of trading one thing for the other. And
Speaker 5: again with like consumers, people will buy the thing because
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, I'm lazy, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna you know.
Speaker 5: I totally get that, but they don't think that what
Speaker 5: they're doing is they're trading like the occasional sweep or
Speaker 5: vacuum of their floor for like, you know, maintaining this
Speaker 5: complex machine.
Speaker 1: With like light ar and like I have a fucking
Speaker 1: robo rock. If you're listening from robo Rock, your shit sucks.
Speaker 4: That's what it was. It was robo rock. It was
Speaker 4: a big giant black and red pavilion.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I have a quite expensive robo rock.
Speaker 1: And the dust that that ship doesn't pick up, I
Speaker 1: undo that ship with a fucking sweat the fact I
Speaker 1: have to clean up after my robot at this point.
Speaker 1: Just make it through little turds. Make it a game.
Speaker 4: Some an AI lawnmower.
Speaker 1: An AI lawn mower isn't that interesting. See, that's one
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I could almost imagine the industrial applications
Speaker 1: if you just take AI away, because robotics has been
Speaker 1: doing AI for a while. That's fine.
Speaker 4: Another one of the things where it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: what might be an interesting innovation that I could be
Speaker 4: sold into A pitched the AI onto it, and then
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, yeah, I even.
Speaker 1: Though it was already out because if you already had
Speaker 1: like ey rob doing like anything Gutta cleaners and ship
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean any anything like that, whether it's a like
Speaker 5: the lawmowers or like pool cleaners and another classes like
Speaker 5: actually useful robot now that they were I mean that's
Speaker 5: that was AI before.
Speaker 1: Yes, they just didn't have to they didn't have to
Speaker 1: say words.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So hearing aids that were just they were literally
Speaker 4: just hearing as and they made some improvements and they
Speaker 4: are throwing AI. But then you ask them about it
Speaker 4: and it's like the technology that like you said, last generation,
Speaker 4: they're already using. Yeah, you know, I grew systems to
Speaker 4: try to improve your ability to hear things.
Speaker 1: At this sense, it's just like I'm now thinking, you
Speaker 1: just chop the word AI off and it would be fine.
Speaker 1: But did you see any robot vacuums? So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to chase these fuckers down myself.
Speaker 7: I am not the one covering the robo vacuum on
Speaker 7: a team. I just saw the dancing a GI robot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, talk to me about this goddamn thing poop.
Speaker 7: Dance like me at my the first wedding I ever
Speaker 7: went to when I was ten years old, and it
Speaker 7: was unfortunately named a g I bot And I'm like, no,
Speaker 7: this isn't Actually this is doing a pre rehearsed routine,
Speaker 7: like why are we words have meaning, or at least
Speaker 7: they should.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I will that thing so hard it flies.
Speaker 7: There were two of them, so they might try to
Speaker 7: come at you from.
Speaker 1: Both, and I've been boxing for years. I'll take those
Speaker 1: fuckers out, no problem. Me and my weapons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, robots don't have weapons.
Speaker 1: Robots don't have weapons, and they don't have friends.
Speaker 5: They don't have dance moves apparently.
Speaker 7: But the Boston Dynamics people have made people afraid, which
Speaker 7: is the whole thing where this.
Speaker 1: That's the way most some people afraid.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's the.
Speaker 7: Thing where most people engage with the idea of like
Speaker 7: the robot that will do anything? Is it one social VideA?
Speaker 7: They solve a bost Dynamics thing three years ago, right,
Speaker 7: and then that's informed them to think, ah, shit, I
Speaker 7: gotta be careful about everything from now on. Yeah, but
Speaker 7: when you look at it's like, oh, it's trying to
Speaker 7: serve a press demo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are all highly as well.
Speaker 1: What's it the demo for? What is the purpose of
Speaker 1: the dancing robot?
Speaker 4: It to disarm you, I'll.
Speaker 7: Impressing you and getting your money to invest in it.
Speaker 5: So the very first chatbot was created in the in
Speaker 5: the sixties and Eliza, Yeah, and so there's Eliza effect.
Speaker 5: I think so much of what we see here is
Speaker 5: driven by sort of different versions of that, which is
Speaker 5: where you show people something doing a task that they've
Speaker 5: only ever seen a human do before, whether I'm dancing
Speaker 5: or mowing a lawn or whatever else. And because like
Speaker 5: our only metaphor for intelligence is humans we automatically leap to.
Speaker 5: This must be a human level of intelligence, right, this
Speaker 5: is what this is what has fuel Tesla's autopilot.
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense that Yeah, it's like if we
Speaker 1: make it seem human adjacent, they'll just fill in the gaps.
Speaker 5: That's what they've done with LMS and exactly right. And
Speaker 5: what this does is this it locks you into this mode. Again,
Speaker 5: We've seen ten years of this with Tesla autopilot, where
Speaker 5: it's like it's getting better, it's getting better, it's getting better,
Speaker 5: it's getting better, it's getting better, but like what's getting
Speaker 5: better is the illusion? Yes, and what is completely like
Speaker 5: left out of this entire framework for engaging with with
Speaker 5: any kind of automation technology is the is the fact
Speaker 5: that at some point it becomes actually useful, there's actually
Speaker 5: real value. And with the autonomous vehicles, it's really simple.
Speaker 5: When that point is it's when the company says we
Speaker 5: take legal responsibility for this system.
Speaker 1: And they never will.
Speaker 5: Well, WAYMO does did.
Speaker 1: They actually take that?
Speaker 5: Of course?
Speaker 1: There's no.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no, there's no there's no human in them.
Speaker 5: I mean the zukes is that are running around the strip,
Speaker 5: and and the waymos that are all over the Bay.
Speaker 5: There's no there's no human in them to take responsibility.
Speaker 1: It's it's oh, I suppose that's right. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: what about the robotex season in Austin. They still got
Speaker 1: people in them.
Speaker 5: Those have someone in the in the passenger seat. But no,
Speaker 5: I mean in Texas, like those are technically considered to
Speaker 5: be autonomous vehicles.
Speaker 1: By Texan autonomy laws.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which are essentially non existing.
Speaker 1: Nice, that's good, that's really It's.
Speaker 5: Funny when you actually pull up the Tesla Robotaxi app,
Speaker 5: it says if your ride is in Texas is autonomous.
Speaker 5: If you're ride is in California, it's not.
Speaker 1: And it's the same experience.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very fucking Have you used Zekes Yeah, so I'd
Speaker 1: ride with Zokes a year ago at CES, right, So
Speaker 1: I haven't so so that was cool, But I was,
Speaker 1: you know, it.
Speaker 5: Was with with the ct Yeah, it's like the start
Speaker 5: of a whole thing. H And to be perfectly honest,
Speaker 5: at the time, I was like this, it's a very
Speaker 5: It's it's the only product that you can kind of
Speaker 5: ride in right now that is designed from the ground
Speaker 5: up to not just be a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like an empty room with wheels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that's good. That's kind of cool the Docklands
Speaker 1: light railway, and.
Speaker 5: It's perfect for the strip. And like for a long
Speaker 5: time the AV space was like like AV companies were like,
Speaker 5: we can't like market on the novelty of this because
Speaker 5: it's like such a serious thing. We're going to conquer
Speaker 5: the world. And and like one of the cool things
Speaker 5: that's happened is that there's been so much like struggle
Speaker 5: to get this stuff to market that now it's sort
Speaker 5: of like, well, fuck it is. It is novelty, right,
Speaker 5: Like this is just a cooler way to ride down
Speaker 5: the strip to the club or to the you know,
Speaker 5: the casino, or to this.
Speaker 1: That to the guns shop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I think that's fine. I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know how they're making money doing it, and
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's actually are any of these companies making any money?
Speaker 5: No, the robot taxi companies are not yet making money.
Speaker 1: Why are they bleeding so much?
Speaker 5: Well, because it's extremely expensive. I mean each one of
Speaker 5: these well so each one of the vehicles. So like
Speaker 5: you know, we work with estimates, but you know, best
Speaker 5: estimates for a WEIMA is you know, two to three hundred.
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars of vehicle, right.
Speaker 5: And then the operating costs are very high. We don't
Speaker 5: we know very little about like how many how many
Speaker 5: miles can they go? Right, because they're these electric vehicles
Speaker 5: and they're powered by you know, they're powering not just
Speaker 5: the drive but also all this light, ar and radar
Speaker 5: and compute and all these other things. So like the utilization,
Speaker 5: how many rides can it give.
Speaker 1: Before they must just go back and charge.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, apparently they're they're burning somewhere on the
Speaker 5: order of two billion dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ. Is that that from purchasing more of them?
Speaker 5: That is, they're scaling very aggressively, and they're also they're
Speaker 5: continuing to use most of the So they were ready
Speaker 5: to sort of start bringing in this vehicle from China
Speaker 5: which was using fewer sensors and so really bringing the
Speaker 5: cost down, and then of course tariff screwed that up.
Speaker 5: I think they've got that back on track based on
Speaker 5: my conversations here, so you know, I think they're Look,
Speaker 5: I think WEIMA will get to a point where where
Speaker 5: they will you know, have a viable business. I think
Speaker 5: they're racing. I've heard fifteen billion dollars right now to
Speaker 5: get to.
Speaker 1: IPO running out of money. We're running out of money.
Speaker 1: I swear to We're gonna run out liquidity.
Speaker 5: And twenty twenty six is gonna be wild, because yeah,
Speaker 5: WEIMO is not the only company that needs to raise money.
Speaker 5: There's huge I PO is, SpaceX.
Speaker 1: Open AI, Open AI is not going to fucking I
Speaker 1: p O.
Speaker 5: I don't know any of them.
Speaker 1: An I think SpaceX could.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm pretty. I'm pretty. I mean we'll see, like
Speaker 5: better than I would prove me wrong. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: you know, I think I think SpaceX, like Tesla, has
Speaker 5: the kernel of a real business there with the with
Speaker 5: the Falcon nine launch program, it's the most cost effective
Speaker 5: way to get into orbit. The basic critique that I have.
Speaker 5: And again, like you know, make the numbers public, I go.
Speaker 5: I hope they go public because we'll see the numbers.
Speaker 1: Actually, this is why I want to. I want Anthropic
Speaker 1: and open Ai to go public so bad. No to
Speaker 1: just find I mean, look, I just know, let me
Speaker 1: look onto the hood, let me let me see how
Speaker 1: much you're burning. Because I bet it's a lot. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean I was talking to you about this off
Speaker 1: off air, but there's two Chinese ai companies that go
Speaker 1: in public, Zoogi and Mini Mac. They called forget show
Speaker 1: someone on the man sa I'm wrong on that one,
Speaker 1: but they I think one of them makes like thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollars in revenue a month and spends two
Speaker 1: hundred billions or two hundred million even sorry, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that you've got to spend money to lose money, I guess.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know what, if this is
Speaker 1: the year when we finally get some clarity over that,
Speaker 1: I'd be really happy.
Speaker 5: Well, and I mean just in terms of elon Musk,
Speaker 5: I mean like Xai burned what like fourteen billion thirteen billion, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and like he's made this whole his whole thing work
Speaker 5: for a long time by you know, he's really good
Speaker 5: at raising money.
Speaker 1: But then also today did they Yeah that's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the level of burn has that that Xai itself,
Speaker 5: which has no profitable business to it, is like dramatically higher.
Speaker 5: Tesla has always lost or not always but almost always
Speaker 5: lost money. Yeah, but like they could mitigate that loss
Speaker 5: and they can kind of string it along and Goo
Speaker 5: a couple of years between raising rounds, but this is, yeah,
Speaker 5: ten plus billion dollars year. Elon's empire is really fragile
Speaker 5: even without that kind of cash burn. And so I
Speaker 5: think twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Six, Yeah, they raised twenty billion dollars. Si Vela Equity
Speaker 1: Partners steps, Yeah, Fidelity, Fidelity Management fell through it again award,
Speaker 1: Qatar Investment Authority, MGX, and Barren Capitol Group among other
Speaker 1: key partners. Investors in the round include Nvidia and Cisco.
Speaker 1: We're doing the dot We're doing the dog coom boom again, folks.
Speaker 1: We love the dog coom boom.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so they gotta love raising money and then
Speaker 5: a couple of years of burn now and.
Speaker 1: Guess what do they maybe twenty billion dollars A Data
Speaker 1: Centers XI continues to expand its decisive compute advantage, world's
Speaker 1: largest day I super computers at Colossus one barely built
Speaker 1: and Colossus two not built at all, ending the year
Speaker 1: with over a one million, h one hundred GPU equivalents. Now,
Speaker 1: for the non technical audience, that's just a lot of
Speaker 1: GPUs so they can generate c SAM I guess, but
Speaker 1: my favorite part of this is rock Force series. Our
Speaker 1: frontier language models are built on the best in class
Speaker 1: training infrastructure powered by Colossus. They've pushed reinforcement learning training
Speaker 1: to unprecetated levels, refining Grock's intelligence reasoning. An agency using
Speaker 1: pre training scale compute, what do you train on? You've
Speaker 1: been trainerating child porn?
Speaker 5: I mean no, that's the But what's the product? What's
Speaker 5: the revenue?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry, they don't have that here. They don't have that.
Speaker 1: They will say that our reach spans approximately six hundred
Speaker 1: million monthly active users across the X and CROC apps.
Speaker 1: Bull fucking ship.
Speaker 5: Getting skills easy when it's free.
Speaker 1: Also, Twitter doesn't fucking gap that many users like I
Speaker 1: genuinely don't think they've they've done that.
Speaker 5: Are you suggesting that Elon must might be.
Speaker 1: Like I know ed, I know you're a big Elon
Speaker 1: Musk fan.
Speaker 5: I mean it's hurtful. It's hurtful to have his credibility questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, charding a path that will spread the light of
Speaker 4: civilization on our planet. Yeah, I I wish the listener
Speaker 4: could see everyone face is what I said?
Speaker 1: That even a drink when you said that, it's I
Speaker 1: just feel like this is a year of reckonings. I
Speaker 1: think that that's the thing, because sure they built twenty
Speaker 1: billion dollars, but he needs to build fucking Colossus and
Speaker 1: Colausus too.
Speaker 4: I mean it goes to that or we're gonna get
Speaker 4: getting blitzed and in December being like it's all fucking fraud.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, as I've been saying, we're running
Speaker 1: out of money. Yeah, like we're running at twenty billion dollars.
Speaker 5: He wouldn't be talking about a SpaceX IPO if he
Speaker 5: wasn't desperately. Yeah, he's the value also, the thing that
Speaker 5: he dangles out in the deep future. And like the
Speaker 5: mart he said so many times, it's like a really
Speaker 5: important part of the fanboy orthodoxy that like the mission
Speaker 5: to Mars is so important that we cannot compromise it
Speaker 5: by allowing, you know, shareholder value.
Speaker 4: To become an issue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and as long as Eland is the richest guy
Speaker 5: in the world. Like that was totally, Like that worked.
Speaker 5: The moment he started is fascinating because the vibe has
Speaker 5: been wrecked in the in the Tesla subreddits for like
Speaker 5: years now for a number of reasons. The SpaceX ones
Speaker 5: really fell this this last year, and the I p
Speaker 5: O they were. They were crumbling already, just the number
Speaker 5: of times Starship was exploding. Yeah, but the I p
Speaker 5: O news was the thing that really I saw these
Speaker 5: forums start to like actually melt down, because the whole
Speaker 5: point of all of this is now like Elon can't
Speaker 5: guarantee it, right, like if he turns space ex over
Speaker 5: to shareholders, there's no guarantee that the mission happens.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it was, I wonder how they react
Speaker 4: also because you know, didn't he said they weren't also
Speaker 4: doing this series he fund raising round. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 4: this isn't happening. But it's also an upside around. Now
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's even bigger than before. So I wonder,
Speaker 4: but it's that big.
Speaker 1: Nvidia DA sent a deal though the the SPV, but
Speaker 1: that was going to do a special purpose vehicle. We
Speaker 1: don't talk about that SPV ship.
Speaker 4: Talk about previous deal. You don't need to.
Speaker 2: Valor the value.
Speaker 1: The value Yeah it was No, it's the twenty billion
Speaker 1: dollar two billion from Nvidia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, valor was the middleman or they're doing the least
Speaker 5: back or something. But it's all private, so you don't.
Speaker 1: Know, like, yeah, but they they did it close.
Speaker 5: I I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing like this or just getting
Speaker 1: back into my regular bullshit. There's a eight billion dollar
Speaker 1: deal the Oracle has been talking about doing for months
Speaker 1: that's disappeared off the thing. I just think the banks
Speaker 1: are running out of money.
Speaker 4: It's so sick also that that deal was talked about
Speaker 4: so loudly. It's like, this is going to be a
Speaker 4: cornerstone of the coming overbuild for Compute. This allow us
Speaker 4: to be able to put ourselves in the lead and
Speaker 4: ahead of any other competitor.
Speaker 5: When I remember people from from banks saying after the
Speaker 5: Twitter deal that like that dead debt that they weren't
Speaker 5: able to get off the books was really starting to
Speaker 5: impact their ability to fund like like new deals, and
Speaker 5: it was really starting to sound like the especially with
Speaker 5: banks that have been historically very close. I won't name
Speaker 5: any names, but but with Elon, it sounded like the
Speaker 5: magic was was sort of over. But it seems like they're, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1: Still it's stay a cent as bullshit like it really,
Speaker 1: it's just the everyone's so Google for data centers these
Speaker 1: days that they're just like, what if he builds more.
Speaker 1: It's also so funny to close this the same week
Speaker 1: as the fucking see Sam thing. You're like, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm a business journalist, I have any
Speaker 1: chance fasking anything. I'm like, hey, Fidelity, are you investing
Speaker 1: in the data centers or the child born? Because that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, I'm not even being like, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be crash. It's a fucking question. Like
Speaker 1: Bryce Elder Legend from the Ft did a great piece
Speaker 1: today where it's like, oh, it's like the pornography generator
Speaker 1: connects to a social network and it was just a
Speaker 1: list of all the staff at X but with clown makeup.
Speaker 7: On FT.
Speaker 1: Drice Elder Alphavil legends. No, it's it's very funny watching this,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't usually do anything at CS. I wish
Speaker 1: he never. I wish he did. I wish the big
Speaker 1: companies would fuck this place up a little bit more,
Speaker 1: just to make it more chaotic.
Speaker 4: Listen one year you to notice that there's gonna be
Speaker 4: a South Africa section and you're gonna see all your
Speaker 4: fa all the stars, Peter thel all the all the
Speaker 4: famous South Africa Mark Andresen is not South Africa, all right,
Speaker 4: It's it's the other motherfucker that I Oh, my god,
Speaker 4: the other bold motherfucker always forget his name will come
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure the listeners can fill in the gaps.
Speaker 1: Grumple Shieldtz, that's his name.
Speaker 4: I'm calling him that, but I'm gonna look him up.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: It's gonna bother me, all right.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna wrap it there though. Now we've
Speaker 1: talked about Elon Musk a little bit. This has been
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