WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Two (Tuesday) 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.720 Also media, you are bearing witness to a great becoming. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:07.320 We're back. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:18.759 It's better offline. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.079 That's right. It's our second day of coverage of the 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.639 Consumer Electronics Show here in beautiful, scenic, rustic Las Vegas, 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.240 and we're here for two two hour long episodes today, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.560 this being the first, of course, and I am, of 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.800 course your host ed Zeitron and the King of Pigs, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.360 the Dale Cooper of podcasting. We've got an open barb, 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.600 we've got tacos and places to relax with journalists and 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.840 good lord, have we all seen some cramp. Our first 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.280 contestants are the remarkable Edward On Guaser of the Tech 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.160 Bubble newsletter ed Hello, And of course we've got ed Niedermayer, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.159 the author, and of course he's the co host of 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.440 the autono Cast. Howdy, And we've got Gay Davis. It 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:54.800 could happen here. Yeah, how are you doing? 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.280 The only non ed present. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.120 Yeah, We've got three ads and one gear and I 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.760 think that that the mathematics works there. I was at 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.119 the convention center today. I power walk through two holes 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.240 in the space of a morning. I pray for death, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.600 but I'm going to start with the fact that I 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.520 think smart glasses are evil. I tried several ones of them, 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.800 and there was one where I put them on and 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.120 it's meant to be you meant to look at your 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.880 photos in there, you meant to listen to music and 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.440 all this, and it was blur. I just go, yeah, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.160 it's really blurring, and go goes yeah and just looks 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.440 at me. I'm like, you know, He's like yeah, you know. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.399 I'm like, how much is it twelve hundred dollars. I'm like, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.760 oh great. He's like yeah, but that's with discounts, And 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.440 it's just like, who the fuck. I know that there's 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.640 the whole thing about assistive technologies that's cool nor but 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.200 it's like, who the fuck is this actually for? I'm 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.560 just kind of lost. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.000 I had a similar feeling. There is a lot of 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.360 times I would come across assistive tact that I'd be like, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.160 this is interesting, and then I get introduced to the 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.960 rest of the ecosystem, which itself is dubious, or there 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.920 are other there are other additions or features that don't 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.840 really seem to need to be grafted on. I mean, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.559 I think similarly with smart glasses, you know, I feel 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.680 like the only ones I saw that I was interested 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.320 in were some that allowed you to hear better and 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.040 functioned as like a hearing aid, but then almost yeah, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.000 it's like, you know, okay, if you if you really 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.400 don't want to wear a hearing aid, you know, if 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.000 you're really self conscious about that, even though we have 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.960 invisible on ones. But I saw these eating there's an 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.440 app and the and an ecosystem you have to get 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:26.960 locked into. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.680 The worst ones I saw and I hate to chit 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.880 talk specific company. When they were is the even G 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.880 two a's and what the word you put them on 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.920 and they had like a look like the pit boy. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.600 It was like green and black. Yeah, and I had 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.960 this ring yet to put a ring on and control them, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.280 and the ring didn't work, like you had to like 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.440 violently smack your smack your finger like you you can't 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.040 see this, you're listening to a podcast. But I'm just 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.000 like smashing my aura ring with my thumb and it 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.680 wasn't working. And I turned to them went yeah, it's 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.079 not really working. They just went, yeah, you know, it's 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.360 just it rocks about technology. We're just like a mate, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.919 you know, it just fucking so, I don't know, mate, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:05.520 what to tell you. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.959 But like technology is not cutting edge unless it's janky, right, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.519 I mean that's kind of part of the deal. Like, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.560 like cutting edge has become this term that we think 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.160 of as just like good, but really the definition of 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.720 it is that it's like not fully developed. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.040 Yeah, and it's it used to be. Maybe I'm just 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.040 I'm having some nostalgia here. Maybe it's not true, but 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.640 it felt like about ten years ago CS you'd see 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.720 something here and then when it came out, it'd be complete. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.040 Now it's just they release everything in alpha. Yeah, we're 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.080 living in the world that that Elon must create. I 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.120 mean wasctive, but I was literally gonna say, you're an 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.280 Elon musk head, a big a big Elons Elon stan Yeah, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.520 and yeah he really has in the ear of just bullshit. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.760 Yeah, Like like I mean, if we live in a 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.520 world where you can promise, you know, specifically, like your 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.800 car will be able to do level five attime, this 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.000 is like a very specifically you know, defined thing and 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.040 you can get away with We're saying end of the 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.520 year ten years in a row, which is where we're 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.120 at now, it'll be it'll actually be the tenere anniversary 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.640 in the fall. That's nice, Like these are things people 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.000 people see these things happen and they're like, well, why 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:10.320 not me? 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.520 Yeah, why should I fucking bother? So, Ed, you've been 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.480 on the floor. What you see today? What kind of 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:16.640 what kind of cramp? I mean? 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:21.680 I saw a lot of stuff that was uh categorized 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.640 around let's say age tech. You know. So the so 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.279 the goal here is you have AI companion bots or 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:34.080 chatbots that you speak to. You have smart homes and 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.960 surveillance systems that constantly log your information and give people 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:43.400 away from you, Yeah, insight into your home. You're generating 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.719 as much data as possible to feed into something that 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:46.600 can analyze it. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.320 I saw this tech I still like a Boston Dynamics 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.479 looking ass dog right boat thing, and it was by 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.039 this very I think you should leave style thing of 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.320 like a guy you'd fallen out of a hospital bed. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.359 I'm gonna pull this up just so you can see this. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.760 So if you like, this guy has fallen out of 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.600 his bed and the dog is just looking at him, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.400 and it says, de cloak brain, He's just just lying 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.280 on the floor. Now, I get that there's probably a 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.480 reason like this, but are you saying that every hospital 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.200 is just gonna be stalked by Boston Dynamics stocks going, yes, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.719 he's dead, he's fallen out of it. Is that cheaper 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.279 than a person? I am? So? 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.400 Is this is this being aimed at hospitals or is 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.400 that like costs? 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.120 It was not clear because there were tons of other 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.680 use cases as well that were very vague, like old person, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.520 a neighborhood. Watch, what's that dog gonna do to me? 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.280 I'll kick it so hard it flies, Yeah, well I'll 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:36.320 send it to hell. Yeah. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.200 I mean, like the whole thing of selling robots to 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.839 consumers is really interesting because you know, all of the 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:45.119 successful robots that that exist really are are not consumer facing. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.440 They exist in factories, these very like controlled environments. They 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.440 do the same task over and over and over again. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.279 We know how to make straight forward right, yeah. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.640 Exactly, And like a human home is not, you know, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.719 a constraint. I mean it's constrained, right, but like a 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.680 lot of random stuff happens, they're relative to say a factory, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.960 and like a rumba is something that you can kind 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.120 of work if all your floors are perfectly flat and 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.200 you don't have transitions, and you know, but even that, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.400 like that's a successful product class relatively speaking, and it's 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.120 really the only one in in consumer facing robots and 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.200 actually a robot went went under, So. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.200 Right, why do you think why is there this constant 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.200 term to reinvented or to reh you know, rediscover this 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.560 path that ends and that goes down to dead end. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.159 So well, so I think what the reason the reason 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.800 that that robots are being sold to consumers is because 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.000 they know that consumers don't understand them. I think, you know, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.240 you mentioned all this age tech like selling sophisticated data 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.880 driven technology to old people. Why do you do that? Yes, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.760 there there are some needs there, but also you know, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.080 wealthy people will will buy it without really thinking too 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.000 too hard about it. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:52.839 Yeah, when I talked with them, they were you know, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.559 with a lot of these firms, they're like, well, actually 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.440 it's supposed to only be sold to like nursing homes 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.480 and larger business U. But yeah, sometimes people buy them 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.680 individually because they're really concerned about their family members. So 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.280 I think, so, yeah, that's similar dynamic where it's like, 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.040 you know, if you know it, and also if you 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.280 want to take advantage of you probably just can't buy 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.240 one for your you know, for your home. For your grandparent. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.800 Okay, did you see any robots, any anything robotic tap? 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.600 I walked past the robot that you showed. But I've 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.280 not really been looking for products and show floor but 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.600 mostly been going back and forth to panels and keynotes. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.679 What'd you say? Tell me about some panels? 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.040 I went to the like the ct A is a 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.960 super technology association. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.320 Sure, I'm a professional. And I also don't know. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.880 I know, I know who runs this convention. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:38.760 I went. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.600 I went to their keynote this morning, and they. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.920 Brought on like a few like CEOs from other other 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.000 other companies, like they had They had Navidia guy on 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:47.480 at the end. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.200 What he's anything interesting or is it just like a 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:51.840 lot of woods Low? No, he was. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.880 He was talking with the CEO of I'm going to 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:00.880 say Siemens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I And they were talking 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.400 about like digital, uh, the use of digital trends and 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.160 manufacturing for like like these large these large like the 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:09.680 complex simulations. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.040 Yeah. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:12.880 So they talked a bit. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.440 They were also talking a lot about the movement towards 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.840 quantum how this is this is, this is the next thing, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.240 because we're kind of getting tired with the AI stuff, right, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.880 So quantum is where they're going to be moving to, 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.240 like the new hype thing. I'm guessing next CES we're 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.840 going to see a lot more quantum stuff. But they 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:34.319 have this CEES Foundry event space to set up specifically 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.800 about merging AI and quantum and then that opens on Wednesday, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.640 so we're gonna have to check that out. But no, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.320 they they did mention smart glasses during the ye One 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:46.880 of the few one of the few products that the 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.520 actual like the CEES like guy like Gary I think 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.640 is the name who like actually mentioned was a persona 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.680 smart glasses for tutoring. And like I've tried on smart 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.720 glasses at this show before, I haven't tried not this 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.800 year yet. Like the auto translation ones were always kind 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:02.320 of interesting. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.600 Those ones always seem like useful, but it's like you 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.320 never really fucking see them in real life. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.400 They're very limited. You don't see them in real life. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.440 They're usually the resolution is pretty low. These things are 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.319 gonna get better over time. But there was another CEO 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.920 that they they brought on and I apologize I can't 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.400 remember his name, but it was during the first keynote 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.320 Tuesday morning, and talking a lot about how wearable tech 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.480 is gonna make a big is gonna make a big 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.400 comeback because all of these wearables are now smart enabled 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.280 and you're gonna have the AI in your ring, in 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.360 your glasses, in everything you're you're wearing your watch, these 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.160 you're gonna start learning more about your life and those 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.319 AIS are gonna learn about how the real world actually works, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.560 which allows them to be smarter and more useful and 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.120 help us out in a whole bunch of new ways. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.920 And so they were talking about how, like you know, 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.120 fit bit first was the cees like you know, a 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.480 thing years ago, and wearables since then, you know, some success, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.440 but have kind of kind of become has kind of 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.320 been more gimmicky. And they're talking about how wearables are 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.480 gonna become like a major, major, a major thing now 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.000 with with that's with the smart enabled stuff, right, But yeah, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:10.599 and it's the other thing that both both Gary, the 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.480 the CTA guy and the and the Semens guy reiterated 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.960 on a lot was like electricity defined the last last generation, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.079 that fucking AI will illuminate the next. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:22.920 And this was this was I've heard this a lot 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:23.480 this morning. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.360 So electricity defined the lost generations. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.320 Like like like the lastic century, like the last hundred years, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.280 like innovation was was was because of technic electricity. This 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.800 was this was like the thing, right, the next thing 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.160 is is AI And the coolest thing happened during during 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.480 this the Semens opening keynote where he was like, you know, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.160 one hundred and twenty or however many years ago, there 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.160 was no electricity and then all the lights in the 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.560 convention center like turned off like for for the for 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.439 the show. Everything went black, including they didn't think about this, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.200 including the telepropters. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.120 So it was this like real, like big dramatic. It 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.880 was this big dramatic moment. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.880 And like and then he like paused for like thirty 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.360 seconds because he didn't know what to say next, and 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.360 someone ran on stage with a binder of his script 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.480 so he could read the paper as he introduced how 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.840 electricity like entered the world and like illuminated everything. And 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.439 then the lights came back on and it was just this, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.640 It was this beautiful CES moment. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.800 See, I would have just if I was there with you, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.840 I would have been like, quick, I'm gonna lie on 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.640 the ground. I need you to scream at the top 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:38.600 of your lungs. He's dead, he's been murdered. Who did 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:43.280 this locked the doors. There's a murder. That's that's really 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.280 good though, And no one thought this through. Yeah, it 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.440 wasn't even remember the fucking fifteen words he needed to. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.640 He's I just and I love I love that. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.520 It also just proved that, right that, like electricity is 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.240 still actually quite important. It's very important. Also, the AI 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:00.400 is gonna keep as. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.400 Useful as all these AI things are. Sometimes you need 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:04.680 a binder with paper on it. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.080 Also, I just can't cannot remember what you have to 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.800 say next. It's not like it's not like you was 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.920 saying anything that matted. It's just you. He went on. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.839 Electricity defined the next generation AI will. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.920 This is the industrial AI revolution ed. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.240 Uh huh, physical AI, right, he. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.720 Said that that's what there is is like a mobiles. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.400 This is one of the interesting things though. Actually I'm 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.120 seeing is beyond beyond like the you know, lofty things 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.400 about quantum We are seeing I think a movement back 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.840 towards the material in the way that AI is being 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.760 talked about here, because like the past two years, AIS 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280 was what was much much more speculative. Now that in 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.000 some ways they kind of had this cultural dominance. You use, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.320 you have this emphasis on like manufacturing and this is 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.480 something that like the CTA guys like I talked about 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.520 during their keen out, is like this for the first 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.200 for the first time in a few years, we're really 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.640 emphasizing like the manufacturing side of things and trying to 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.520 like bring this these like lofty AI things pretty down 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.200 to earth on like house is actually gonna help on 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.079 like like industrial like these. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.880 Cases and could they explain an, well. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.920 See that's the beautiful thing about c Yes, that's something 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.400 that we get to all discover together throughout this WEEKND. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.160 And that's just the this world model ship, the. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.319 Digital twins thing that that that's that's really like, that's 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.080 really what they were talking about specifically with like the 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.400 Navidia and Siemens, like a conversation between their two guys 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:24.880 specifically about the digital what is. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.920 Spurring the is spurring the interest in world models, this 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.920 idea that Okay, there are limits to LMS, even if 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.000 we are a savior are fanatics and we think it's 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.640 going to save the world, we need to find another 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.440 way to embody it without embodying. Yeah. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.920 Essentially, so Yan Lacun's whole thing is is like yeah, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.559 like language is not like sufficient to create real general intelligence. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.319 Like the whole thing is animated by the idea that 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.320 a GI is is a thing that we can achieve 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.120 and and and that basically lms have proven that like 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.640 language alone can can create a like a similar acrium 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.840 of intelligence up to a certain point, but like child 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.520 understand and the world around it, which is not just 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:03.640 made up of language. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.000 It's so interesting that in the response to being like, oh, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.920 we reached all these milestones that we thought would open 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.160 up the doors, the solution isn't that we raga, we 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.320 need to radically rethink, and it's like, actually, we need to. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.640 We just need a little bit more juice. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.400 Well, here's the thing. I think this world model bullshit. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.920 In the digital I've been hearing so great thing about 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.480 running pr from in texcause you hear a lot of 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.840 terms repeatedly. I've had world models for ten years. I've 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.080 heard sorry, not world models. Digital twins. Digital twins was 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:35.440 like and like it was a simulation thing kind of yeah, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.240 But then then during the metaverse time, it was just like, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.000 it's a space that's the same. World models are just 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.840 they're a scam. Like I just like faith a Lee. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.360 Everyone talks very fondly about her spatial intelligence and all that. Well, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.920 the fuck it, Like, where's her product, where's the thing 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.800 she's done? Because World Models the reason they're pushing these 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.240 in digital twins is because it's another use for GPOs. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:58.160 Was talking to an analyst. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.600 Oh yeah, that's that's in the video. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:05.080 Was on stage. Please God, keep buying the GPUs, please God. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.560 And Jensen one needs another leather shiny. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.360 It was so shin. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.560 So he had the shiny and it was firm skills, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:16.240 Yeah it was. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:16.920 It was the skilly one. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:17.240 It was. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.320 It was very hard looking. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.160 Yeah, it's yeah. It's just very sad as well, because 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.120 they're not saying that though, because with with other lambs, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.880 they're like GPUs, we need more of these, we need 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.080 more power. With world models, they're just like digital twin 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.600 copy simulation. And then the Information mentioned this. Yes, they 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.560 put out a story saying that M Video's omniverse software. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.160 Yeah I love saying it. That it was not making 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.800 much money and they had to shut down the cloud 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.800 because nobody wanted it and the software sucked, and it's 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.480 just like they're running, they're out of ideas, but they're 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.640 just getting up. It's like watching a pair of parents 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.840 stay together for the kids. Like, yeah, we all love 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.000 world models. Digital twins. Yeah, that's those are good, right, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.760 we both know what this means. Yeah, we could model 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.760 a warehouse, couldn't we miss the same And. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.160 They modeled an HD HUNTI shipyard. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.640 Yeah. So in the auto industry end is microft. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.080 Every nutt and bolt. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.880 Yeah, but like this is not the problem is is 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.360 that is that these digital twins for manufacturing, like you 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.520 only there's only so much demand for it exactly right, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.360 Like when you design a factory, like that's a big 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.800 effort and you take one and then you usually you know, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.640 reproduce it, and so you're not doing that design like 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.120 a bunch, right. You want to get it right the 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.160 first time because the tooling is. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.360 But they say to answer actually a question, you aren't 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.400 with robots, that what their thing is. And they kind 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.760 of showed it with the Nvidia Press yesterday where it's like, oh, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.360 you could put the robot in the digital simulation and 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.320 then you could do that, and then they stop talking. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.360 They just stop describing because they're like, and then the 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.040 robot will be smart and able to deal with the 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.680 real world. They don't really seem to link those two 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.960 things together so precisely though they talked a. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.360 Little bit about that specifically for the manufacturing though, and 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.920 being one of the uses for the for the digital 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.240 twins stuff is that, and and even putting AI in 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.600 all the wearables, and once they have enough data both 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.000 in the digital manufacturing, the as will know how to 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.239 do it enough that we can make them run all 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.280 physical manufacturing. And you have AIS building robots, who are 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.960 building robots and like all all of that. That's sort 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.479 of like automation stuff, right, is kind of how they 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.960 referred to it, but it wasn't something that they like emphasized. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.200 Also to your point, I hadn't thought about this until 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.760 you said it, But yeah, what is actually the composition 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.200 of demand going to look like? Where it's like, yeah, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.320 I actually just need to do it once because these 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.280 are highly like I need to know how to my 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.800 robot should operate in this specific circumstance. I need to 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.200 know what the factory looks like, and then after that 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.160 I'll just copy and past it. Why should I use 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:39.720 the software more than. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.720 But that's actually a good point, Like what happens when 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.680 you program the road? Surely once the robots done, bam, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.359 programmed did they have. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.399 So that's that's the whole point with with with the 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.040 humanoid thing. The whole idea behind the humanoid thing is 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.119 that you create a physical embodiment that that has the 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.120 versatility that a human body has, and then you can 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.520 continuously evolve the software for it so that it can 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.760 eventually do anything. Really in a lot of ways, it's 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.640 it's a way to write, like you know, with LLMS, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.040 people find the limits of what right, the hall hallucinations, 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.560 the unreliability, all those problems. This is a way of 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.919 sort of repackaging the dream of universal capability. But like 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.200 in this physical. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.640 Form, it's a dream though, it's it's a dream. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.520 Yeah, general general robotics is not a thing. Generalized robotics 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.040 is a big talking point right now, and like robots 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.240 are getting more generally capable. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.120 But like people again, you know, that's how they're talking 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:29.439 about it. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.679 It's like how do you how do you get like 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.200 AI driven innovation? Like how how can AI like find 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.480 new solutions that we wouldn't think of without the hallucination problem? 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.159 And specifically using these models are like if when when 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.240 when these models run long enough, they'll be able to 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.840 improve how these like factories are shipyards function in ways 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.800 that LMS simply like can't as adjust to language models. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.520 It always seems like it's just they will like it's 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.679 there because I feel like we've heard this robot just 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.800 a twin thing for a while. I feel like we've 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.879 heard about robots. Everyone's shifting to robots now. Even China 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.320 just actually was Hong Kong, Mate, is the Hong Kong 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.080 How Yeah? I know, just yeah, I'm gonna get killed 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.440 by someone. No, they just delayed a robot ipo ing 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.440 over there because there's a bubble growing. The ship hasn't 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.240 even launched, and they're like, yeah, mate, were already at 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.359 a bubble. We speed around this one. Motherfucker. I just 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.760 think I saw the LG robot and they wouldn't they 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.399 didn't have the demo ready, And they showed this video 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.000 of this woman being like, hey, robot, how are you doing? 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.080 Because I'm great, you should work out. It was just 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.199 and it was like thank you, thank you, Glaubo or 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:37.000 whatever it was called. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:39.919 No, No, it was funny. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.359 It was like it walked over with like two pound 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.400 dumbbells and it was like, yeah, you should do see 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.720 these lately. Yeah, it was close and she was like, oh, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.120 if I didn't have you, I just laying around all day. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.479 Should I order more laze potato chips for you? 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.600 You? Oh hog, you look new, sweaty hog, Get up 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.800 off your app And then it was doing the squats 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.879 with it was like a little bit more depth and 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.480 it's just I swear there is regulation against lying like that, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.840 and LG is a public company, but it's just what 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.200 the fuck are you do? Like when is this thing 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:13.920 kind of come out? 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.879 What is the plan with it? And also it's a 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:16.800 forward looking vision. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.719 It's it's what we talk about Yesterday's like who the 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.520 fuck actually needs this? If I had a robot walk 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.480 up to me in my house and go, you need 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.760 to lift some weights, I beat the ever living shit 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.720 out of it. I'm not a violent person, but if 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.080 like a machine decided to impose its will upon me 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:36.560 with pathetic two pound dumbbells, I'm at fives and just yeah, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.560 it was so strange. And I tried to talk to 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.000 someone over there about it and they didn't really have 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.760 any answers, and they couldn't even tell me when the 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.520 demo would start. Very sad well, I. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.600 Mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that like the 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.120 leading sort of seller of right again, Elon Musk with optimists, 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.439 like as a South African and a racist, and like 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.920 he's selling the idea of slavery, Like like that's that's 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.280 literally the vision, right, It's that that we create these things, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.720 the software evolves to the point where it's human. It's 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.479 essentially a mechanical human and it just does everything for 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.040 us and it transforms our economy and everything, and like 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.480 it's like you are just this is this is slavery. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.320 I wonder how much of sort of the political tides 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.439 that are happening right now or are sort of are 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:16.159 sort of hided to this. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.600 I feel like, what with the AGI conversation, no one 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.000 ever wants to talk about the fact that it is 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:20.760 just slavery. 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.480 It's like what if we had except they're not people? 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.960 Yeah exactly, I mean I will, I'll be like yeah, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:27.400 but like they are people though. 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.080 Yeah no, It's like if you make a conscious being, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.560 well yeah, but it's not conscious. But if they made 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.719 a conscious being with AI, event eventually they can't do it. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.400 But if you ever mentioned this to a GI people 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.480 that get really upsex like it's not slavery. I'm like, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.560 you trapped a conscious being and bent it to your will? 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:44.400 What do you what would you call that? And they're 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.000 like computer and but with robots, I just think that 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.639 they're just starting shit at the wall. They're just like 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.359 I guess because the actual robot you'd want is something 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.119 that can handle anything, which is an impossible idea. And 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.000 also I will train it to be articulate and competent 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.639 like a human. Have you met more than one person? 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.600 Because people vary in their abilities to do stuff humanoid 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.720 the humanoid form is also not particularly efficient for the 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:09.520 every task. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.879 No, and like creating a human I mean, like the 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.080 engineering of a human hands, which is where we get 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.080 a lot of our versatility from, is like absolutely insane. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.679 Well, I mean I have a coordination disability dyspraxia. And 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.879 it's like, yeah, I don't know if you're doing a 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.560 bunch of training data, which they are like, oh, that's 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.000 how we're gonna do it. Training data. Great. Are you 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.320 gonna make what's a perfect human? Are you gonna get 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:30.560 like eugenics level data? 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:31.080 Like what the fuck? 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:32.639 How do you get perfect day? Or are you going 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.600 to get very day? Or what is good data, and 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.479 no one ever asks these questions at the panels, and 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.520 no one ever gives an answer anyway, I. 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:41.200 Think I think the way to think about like the 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.800 consumer market or like the attempt to develop a consumer 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.960 market for humanoid but other other robots in general is 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.359 like slop because like it the whole thing with ro 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.800 it's really hard to sell a robot to a car company. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.600 Like I went to Toyota and I went to the 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.359 place where they test all of their robotics. There is 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.080 a few years ago now, but like they're like, yeah, 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:02.600 we buy every time a company comes out with a 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.320 new robot whatever, almost any kind, like we test the 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.760 shit out of it. Yeah. And the thing is is 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:09.879 that they think and I'm just like, like, how many 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.000 robusts you adopt? They're like, well, not that many, really, 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.520 I said why? And there's like, well, once you start 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.280 a car factory operating, if something breaks down, one piece 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:19.960 breaks down, like the whole thing just stops all of 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.280 a sudden, you're burning like millions of dollars a second, 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.479 and then you have to fly someone from the other 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.560 side of the word. So like robustness, to get value 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.520 out of automation, it has to be really really robust, 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.560 and you know that's why it's really hard to sell 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.439 this stuff to companies is because they don't want to 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.000 come depending on something that's just going to break down 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.600 and then they can't operate for like days. With a consumer, 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.080 you can sell them slop because if part of it 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.359 is the spectacle, the prestige. I'm an early adopter. I 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.320 have the new tech thing, the fact that it's jinking, 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.199 it doesn't work. This is exactly what's happening with Tesla autopilot. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.959 It's something that looks self driving and has this pristide, 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.640 but it doesn't actually deliver the robustness and safety that 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.480 you know you need to like take a nap in 0:23:58.480 --> 0:23:58.960 the backseat. 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.400 This is the real, the real tension of the consumer 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.240 electronics showcase because you have half of it trying to 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.560 be directed you know, for for industries, right, a lot 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.200 of these lot of like you know, AI automation stuff 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.640 is like for manufacturing, but it's it's the other side 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.119 is the consumer electronics part where they're selling kind of 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.680 kind of janki things that don't work to a little 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.800 bit like gullible people or people who want to believe 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.080 in this, like Jetson's vision, and you have both these 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.040 things kind of working in tandem, and when they rub 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:27.919 up against each other, it creates these like these like 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:29.920 cognitive frictions. 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.679 Yeah. One thing that's also been interesting this year and 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.680 last is seeing the stuff that would not be able 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.960 to snap past the sniff test for business to business 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.080 or even regulatory oversight that is sold to consumers with 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.200 almost you know, like we're getting up to the edge 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.040 of what might be a therenose in the sense that 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:53.240 they're saying, Okay, with digital information, we can approach the 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.479 limits of what's physically impossible and deliver that to you 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.239 with a little bit of analytics, with a little bit 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.240 of artificial intelligence, instead of relying on really sophisticated technology 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.760 that are biomedical tech that we just don't have. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.200 I just think it's funny though, because if the robots 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.720 did what they said it they did, it'd be kind 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.840 of cool. I'd love a robot butler. I think I 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:13.480 think we can all agree. I just want to robe 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.119 what that brings me a diet coke and be honest, 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.000 but like. 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.160 You could have a regular butler. 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.639 I don't want to, like, like that's the thing we 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:23.919 get into the AGI conversation. I just want to I 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.800 just want to wrote, But even then it's like it's 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:27.240 even an. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.720 Aristonta black butler. 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.640 Not that. Oh no, I have actually seen black butler. Yeah, yeah, 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.680 I would love you know what, a butler that would 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:36.399 kill people for being people out for me, that'd be 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.000 fucking sick. Yeah, and specially didn't expect me to have 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.080 seen black butler. I think we baby, But this is 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.000 the thing as well. It's like, even though I'm like 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.480 joking and oh that'll be fun, it's like not really, 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.240 I can get I can get off my arse and 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.560 grab it that. Oh no, I've got a vacuum. It 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:52.879 will take me fucking five minutes. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:53.560 Is not that bad. 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:55.240 There's something I was seeing on the floor. It felt 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.160 like a lot of use cases that people were offering 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:02.040 for agents were actually oh you know, it was just 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.399 like convenience via a chat thought interface. You know, we 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.879 talk to people. They'd be like, this is ai agentic cooking, 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.520 and it's like, what's the part of it? Not you, 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.600 but I know that's what I said. You know, I 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.800 was like, what's the agentic part? And they're like, oh, well, 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.000 like it had you know, there's a camera inside and 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:19.560 it can see what food you have there, and then 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.320 you have a list of recipes. I'm like, that's not 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.560 an agent, but worried. Okay, Uh, you know we have 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.800 other agents that are saying we do you know, agentic 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.239 health analysis. And it's like, what's the agent part. Well, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.360 it's like, well, you can talk to it about different things. 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.360 It's like, oh, that's not the I will I will 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.560 not be happy until there's an AI in my vitamics 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.439 that tells me how to make this movie, what this 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:38.240 mooth is gonna. 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.399 Do to my body? Yeah, and what ingredients I need 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:40.840 to get from I. 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.200 Need a robot to tell me I'm fat. I saw this. 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:44.880 My mind doesn't do that already. 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.000 So one of my mortal enemies, well or recent mort enemies, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.760 it's you know, the makers is the omnipod and what's 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:51.480 the omni pod? 0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:51.719 Uh? 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.119 It's it's for it's a diabetes piece of a wearable 0:26:55.200 --> 0:27:00.600 tech that you know pomp uh yeah, insulin. And they 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.720 were you know, they didn't off, they didn't say, you know, 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.280 we got AI in here. They were just there to 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.600 advertise themselves, right. But you know one reason I hate them, 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.800 But I also think of them in contrast with everyone 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.040 else is you know, my partner's diabetic, and I see 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.320 up close how often the device fails every single. 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.200 Fucking day, And that feels like a thing that we 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.040 know about and should be able to solve. 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.480 But it's also like I, as far as I can tell, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.000 they are never going up and saying with AI, we 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:29.760 can make it a little bit better. It's nice, you know, 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.199 but with every single other you know, not not to 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.919 be a fucking insolent show, but you know, with almost 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.800 every single piece of biomedical tech I saw this year 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.640 so far and last year, I mean, I'm saying, well, yeah, 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.280 you know, like there are a lot of inaccuracies. There 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.480 are a lot of physiological limitations. There's some physical limits, 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.919 there's some chemical limits. But with artificial intelligence and with 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.120 enough data collection, we can transcend those. 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.320 That's the thing. How much data? How much that next time, 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:58.600 like if you all listening to this in you're at 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.520 CS or any of you, and next time someone says 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.000 with enough data, ask them how much and ask them 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.400 to get specific because they don't have a fucking answer, 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.640 And the answer is they also don't know what day 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:09.359 they need, well. 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.200 So and the amount of data that you have is 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:12.919 only part of it. The other part is constraining the 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.440 problem space. And we know that from the autonomous vehicle space, 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.760 right like where Tesla says, well, this is gonna work everywhere, 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.360 and we have all this data from all these cars 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:20.879 and so it's gonna wear and people buy it. It's a 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:22.440 narrative that makes intuitive sense. 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.920 It makes sense to a person even though it's not true. 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.760 But it really isn't. Whereas you know at Zookes, they're 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.320 now last year, I got a ride on the strip 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.160 and yeah, and now they're like all over the place, 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.240 and they do they're able to do that because they 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.760 constrain the operating space. And especially with driving where it's 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.760 like safety critical, like you have to be able to 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.880 validate that safety to like a high degree. And if 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:42.840 it's just operating everywhere, how do you do that? Like, 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.040 you can only do it by constraining the level of complexity, 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.479 by constraining the problem space, and so and so like 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.040 for all of these AI things, the question to ask 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.480 is like, right, like if someone is saying like we're 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.280 just gonna solve all the problems, you can solve it none, right, 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.080 And and for me, like The test of any AI 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.360 product is like how focused are you? 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.560 And that's the thing. You can't really you can't solve 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.080 every problem with every the Nvidia thing yes day, the 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.680 panel whether go is like one one robot for all things. 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.040 I mean yeah, like we were talking about with these 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.200 generalizer robots. 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.960 And you can't generalize anything unless, of course you're listening 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:19.200 to the following advertisement. This will solve every single problem 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.960 you have ever faced. Don't be mad at me if 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:36.520 it doesn't, be mad at them. All right, we're back 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.640 and we've got of course, the great Edward Geislo Junior 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:44.200 of the Tech Bubble newsletter, Ednia Meyer of the Autono Cast, Hello, 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.800 and Geah Davis. If it could happen here, now here's 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:52.360 the thing. I was also seeing some terrifying AI children's products. 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.320 Oh I love those, Yeah, I love those. 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.480 There was one. I'm just gonna pull this up because 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.160 there was one that just all I could think of 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.680 it was kicking. You know, aim Land, you. 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.920 Should put a AI in child into your search. 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:06.160 Bar right now. 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.840 I'm not, No, I'm not. I don't use egg for some. 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:10.800 Great news stories. 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.560 AI plus love a live AI me can listen, speak 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:16.840 and thing powered by advanced AI. Its senses, your voice 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.400 and presence, reacts to emotion and learns through real interaction. 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.479 Over time, sometime something begins to grow inside am Aime, 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.440 tiny feelings, gentle awareness, and thought shape by the world 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.280 it shares with you. Until Aime starts to feel alive. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.480 Brackets lean in and listen to Aime's in a voice. 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.200 I could not get close enough to one of them, 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:35.440 but I would love it if they just sit and 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:41.280 they go fucking kill you, just like muttering, cereal, I 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.320 will kill them all. And I watched the demo of 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.880 this woman and they were doing they were really like 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.680 the hogs watching be like ooh, because the woman just 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.920 did this demo that was so It's like, wow, how 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.719 did you remember that? That happened so long ago? And 0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.440 it's just again, I thought I saw that last year. 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.640 Pretty sure. We saw a lot of this stuff. And 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.360 it's just this idea of handing a child in l 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.360 M is insane as a parent. And also there was 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.680 the one we talked about yesterday, was like, it's like 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.920 saying that Taiwan isn't part of China. It gets upset. 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.800 It's it's so fucking yeah, exactly it's like teaching your 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:18.680 child poisons. 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.560 It's just and they keep saying these things like, oh, 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.640 it will grow over time. 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.120 They won't, especially if the company is defunct. 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.720 When they run out of money in a month, they 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:30.360 spend it all on. 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:35.480 The booth, letting your kids just talk to themselves and 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.320 their little figurine. I'm curious about how they offer. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.760 I'm curious about shareholder value. 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:44.880 This is the this is this is that. That's the 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.520 kind of upsetting to me though, because like in the 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.920 conversation about how AI is getting get into all these wearables, 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.320 like these people really want AI basically in every action 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.200 figure they want. They want like agentic AI in every 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.600 single toy, so that like it becomes like a normal 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:01.960 thing that you're not. You're not just going to get 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.240 like a bare piece of plastic. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.520 Ever again, they can subscribe you. 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.880 They won't mind if my cards talk to me. 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.840 The thing though, it's like it's device is made for 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.360 people that don't use stuff Like here's the thing I 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.120 use my ur ring. I have an Apple Watch, I've 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.200 got fucking eight sleep bed and I've got like things 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.840 that measure my sleep. I have years of sleep data 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.239 and I cannot tell you anything, just more data. No, 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:33.760 but it's just that's the thing. 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:35.360 It's like. 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.600 All of this time, they're like, well, when we get 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.240 all this date, we'll be able to do this. When 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.160 motherfucker I have the data now, can you not tell 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.120 me when my best sleep times are? Can you not 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.360 tell me how what I could do? Differently, Like, I'm 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.840 not sure what to do with this information? And then like, 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.680 what with the power of AI you could do something? 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.760 I'm like, what is it? Uh No, we're not there yet. 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.840 The apparently Aura is here showing something off and it's 0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:03.080 like and Luna and Luna, It's just like and all 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.640 these rings, it's what could you do with them? We're 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.240 having victorious song on later and she put it where 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.040 it's like, yeah, if you use an LLLM connected to it, 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.200 you can sometimes get a useful out. Just fucking just 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.160 stop stop stop pretending. 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:16.680 I asked them. I was like, what is the different 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.320 are there are few rings? I stop by, and I 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.680 was like, what is the difference between me collecting all 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.520 this data myself with a bunch of jinky things and 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.720 I'm putting it into some literally and then asking a 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.959 chap out about it, versus whatever you guys are doing. 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.800 They're like, well, well, you know, like we have other 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:33.880 people's data that we are look. 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:36.320 Like that. 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.480 I don't know if that's there, so you should. 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:38.800 Have told me. 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:43.040 But it's also like human bodies are varied things. Certain 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.960 things work for different people. I imagine that there should 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.320 be trends within workout data that could do nothing, nothing, 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.440 nothing that I would love it if they could tell 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.600 me what would be the most effective workout, what would 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:54.080 be the best. 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:55.880 But like, but see, this is why you make products 0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:01.720 for children, and they don't ask questions. 0:33:59.280 --> 0:33:59.960 Why isn't it worth? 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.520 Yeah, they're like, what. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.840 Your data is not providing enough actionable insights. 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:09.080 It's time your kid says that your data does not 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.080 work for the father. 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:17.360 I fix it, father, the analytics father, father, my analytics. Papa, Papa, 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:18.680 Please can I have some have. 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.359 Enough actionable insights before I go to bed? 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.000 It just feels like I really think they're just trying 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.120 to work out ways to give us subscriptions to everything. Yeah, 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.160 I can't play just Pokemon regularly. I got a subscribe 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:31.280 to Pokemon Plus. 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.080 I mean, oh my god, I forgot with the AI 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:38.560 agentic kitchen or oven. One thing they added it's not 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.759 just an oven. You can't actually get it to just 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.600 cook the food. You have to have a delivery subscription. 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:51.719 You are, Oh yes, is that sov? That's one of 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:56.040 those During during COVID I had father, No, I really 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.560 shouldn't say, briskets off. 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.480 Terrible s E. 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.760 Oh yeah, I'm just going to look up this company. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:09.919 Oh one hundred and fifty thousand articles. I yeah, that's 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.719 fucking good. I bet that's one thing you can't cook 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:11.960 it in. 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.160 But then I also asked them, who are your delivery partners? 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.080 I said, are We're not there yet? Are you? 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.719 Are you? Are you? 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:26.000 That was so sick. I said, okay, it's. 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:29.720 Just like I do wonder why there is no legal 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.920 recourse with people going to this, Like its just like 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.040 you get lied to for several days. 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.920 Market is the legal recourse. You don't go to market 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.440 if you don't. So true, So true. 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.239 I also think we need less electronics and things as well. 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.719 I still, I know Matt Bender likes the Lego Brick, 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.279 and I can see it's it's like, I don't need 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.600 a fucking market trip in the Lego brick. Yeah, I know, 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.719 if it needs to go, you can just do that 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:51.400 with your mouth. 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.279 I don't want my extra visors to talk to me. 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.960 Part of the fun is as a kid was talking 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.560 for them. Absolutely, you know. 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.000 We're gonna spoil the next generation of voice actors. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.800 It's really devastating what we're gonna turn to. Like I 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:06.399 I'm like wishy washy when it comes to how bad 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.279 scream Time is. But you know what, I actually think 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.720 it is bad making every single toy and some individualized 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.720 autonomous a even though that's complete bullshit, some LLM driven bullshit, 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.160 and like they make the noises for you because it's 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:21.160 like one of the joys of being a job was 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.360 like having an imagination, and it's like, I don't know what, 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:26.920 like they want to take that way so they can 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:28.520 put subscription into it. But it gets back to the 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:30.520 thing we're saying yesterday as well, where it's like these 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.800 are just products made by people don't interact with anyone. 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.520 It's like one of my biggest problems. Fuck, my kid 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:37.640 keeps want to talk to me. 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.920 I was gonna say, what better way to tell your 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:42.879 kid that you hate them? Giving them a chap pop? 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.359 I mean, like this makes sense because like they're they're 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.920 selling it to people who are like upper middle class, 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:49.640 upper class. They don't have time to spend with their 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.239 kids like these. That's these products are targeting, is is 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.880 you know, both parents are working, they probably have some 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.880 kind of like living nanny. The kids probably relatively isolated 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:00.839 like that. That's what these it's really for. It's it's 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.520 it's it's it's for these like relatively wealthy parents to 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.080 buy for their kids because they don't spend time with 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:06.480 their kids. 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:07.680 Right Like, that's like. 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.440 Because people who are like working class aren't aren't buying these, 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.280 can't afford them because they're insanely expensive. 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:14.960 Yeah, exactly. 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.640 One of the most unexpected use cases for autonomous vehicles 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:21.200 actually now is people putting their kids in waymos No. Yeah, 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:21.600 and like. 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.600 This is this is a real thing and a whole 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.160 thing for this super and left now right, Yeah, they 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.319 have advertising but now you can just send your kid 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:30.840 off and they're safe. 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:31.839 Your kid will be safe. 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.840 But they had to massively market safety passengers. 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:39.279 Goodness, No, we need we need, we need like a 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.600 new q Andon to shut this thing. Yeah like way 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.680 far like wayfair trafficing children in way most. 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.560 The right wing is just like that, we need to. 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:51.960 They're straight to. 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.960 They're setting these kids in waymos tomorrow ago. 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.920 Take it to Comet pizza. Like, yeah, it's so it's 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.320 oh wait wait okay completely off ces for a seconds. 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.080 So you put your child in the autonomous vehicle, at 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.120 which point your child is alone in a car and 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.719 it drives around. Yeah, what if something goes wrong? 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.040 That's a great, great question. This is for you know. 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.160 Like aren't you a journalist. You should you should be 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:18.000 asking these questions. 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.880 Yeah, I am among the podcast. 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:22.920 I mean I think I think the magic of of 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.919 like cs and and stuff is that like technology does 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.120 make people turn their brains off. Like people are so 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.879 conditioned to believe that a machine is somehow better than them. 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.560 We're so surrounded by machine, like you know, the and 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.799 and I think this is like a perfect example, right, 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.360 like like why pay someone who is like trained to 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.160 take care of your child when like a robot will 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:44.799 be just as fine. 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.720 Yeah, you know, I still think we need My big 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.000 socialist thing is I think we need to create like 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:53.120 a state funded nanny system and like for like working 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.759 families and just make it the best paid things. 0:38:54.840 --> 0:39:00.560 Yes, I agree adible economy because it's a good one on. 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.239 Well, hopefully they'll do that in New York. But like 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.840 you're you see you see parts of the tech industries 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.200 Seese that kind of want but they want to fill 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.040 it with with like agentic childcare or whatever. 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.080 Right. I mean that's also the thing with the age 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.799 dech Right. I mean it's like, okay, so look, we 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:18.680 have a large scale problem in our society where a 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.920 lot of people aging, they don't have support infrastructure. A 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:23.480 lot of ways we can handle this. How are we 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.560 gonna handle it? Well, since we don't really do technological innovation, 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:31.839 we're gonna do the lowest bottom denominator thing, which is, 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:36.160 you know, we let the private financiers drive the development 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.799 of what the care infrastructure is gonna be. Yeah, and 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.239 a lot of that just means bullshit so that they 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.000 can scale up to then get into some other business model. Right. 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.040 So it's just not it's just it's same with the childcare, 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.120 same with the elderly care. All of this shit sucks. 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.760 And it's also not even seen as the end point. 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:54.440 It's like a stepping stone so that they can get 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:55.919 into some real business. Yeah. 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.880 Thing is I don't think that there's as much intention 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.080 behind it, is My thing. I don't I don't think 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.040 there's a master plan. I just think they're like, fuck, 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.280 what my biggest problem My old fucking dad keeps calling 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:12.000 me my kid claude, won't stop asking me for things. 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.319 My home is sometimes dirty between the eight cleaners, What 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:15.919 do I do? 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:16.400 What? 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.759 What a robot? What do people deal with in regular life? 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.680 Dirt and old And by the way, I mean, Japan 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.480 has been, you know, because of their demographic situation, the 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.560 aging population, they've been and you know, technological prowess. They've 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.600 been developing robots for seniors and various kinds of you know, 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.760 aging assistants. And the reality is is that, like, despite 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.279 huge investment and huge support from the government and like 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.680 everything that they could possibly want, the results are not 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:43.960 like that impressive basically. 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.160 Because the ultimately, you know what helped my poor grandmother 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.920 once she passed, like ten or eleven years ago, nine 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:53.719 four year old Granite Palse Marion, she liked being called 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.719 on the telephone people. Yeah, it's like someone's my dad 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.759 going and visiting her. Like it's like, what's gonna help 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.040 your talking to them and asking questions or if they're 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.000 curious about something, you can use Google, but you can 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:08.640 talk to them about it. 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.400 And there's another piece too. I saw you in the 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.520 past life. I was actually a caregiver for development too 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.160 disabled people, and you know, it's one of those jobs 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:17.840 where like there's a lot of time where you just 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.799 sort of sit there, you know, and there's just like 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.279 nothing happening, and then there will be you know, I mean, 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.560 like I had a client who would you know, smear 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.680 pieces every once in a while, right, and then you 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.400 had then and that was when you were really you know, 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.399 earning earning the pay. The point I'm getting at is that, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.839 you know, the majority of work, of the value of 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.439 the work that people do, especially in service type jobs 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.439 like that, is in what you would call an edge case, right, 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.800 you know. And and again like following the autonomous vehicle 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.319 space has been really useful for understanding this stuff where 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.279 ninety percent of driving is just like boring and just 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.440 sit there and anyone could do it. And what what 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.560 makes someone a good driver is how you deal with 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.600 it when shit goes sideways, right, yeah, which is very 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.680 rare and very sudden and very challenging to negotiate. It's 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.240 the same thing with a lot of consumer customer service 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.440 jobs and then other kinds of just like service caregiving 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.239 type jobs. The value is created in when when things 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.920 start to break down, and that's when automation doesn't work, 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.880 and and and no matter like no amount of like 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.480 large large models is going to change that because ultimately, 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.440 like as soon as you see something out of out 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.440 of distribution, right out of your training set, you know 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.719 it's it's useless. Yeah, and that again, that's where caregivers 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.640 like make earn their money. 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.480 Right, Yeah, it's it's just deeply sad as well, because 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.239 there are very straightforward problems that people have. It's just 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.480 you can't really solve them with technology. Oh well, we 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.799 have the ede cases in customer service You want to 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.480 know what increases customer service calls? The fact that products 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.719 fucking suck Now, the products aren't very good, that they 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.440 get released in alpha or beta stages, the fact that 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:53.120 they require a subscription for certain features, or the support 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.279 documents of dog shit, or the guide to put them 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.000 together is dog shait. It's like, the actual problems are 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:02.319 the companies are fucking things up regularly, and they're like, well, 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.640 if we had more customs, well no, no, no, no, no, 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.920 actually that would involve paying someone. What if we just 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:12.120 had an AI. I guess maybe it could say it 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.720 slower occasionally, but sometimes it could even answer a question. 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.800 SoftBank had a robot called Pepper, called Pepper that was 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:18.960 are you familiar with Pepper? 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:20.640 No? I just love soft so and. 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.879 You're supposed to call it Yeah, of course anything they touched, 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.280 but Pepper was this. It was a customer service robot 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.240 and it was like, you know, sort of vaguely humanoid, 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.239 but it sort of rolled around our wheels and they 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.480 use it in like shopping centers and stuff. Anyway, I 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:37.640 don't remember how much money SoftBank sunk into this. I 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.120 think it was a French company or something. It didn't 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.040 it did like, it did not work. I loved it 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.160 because everyone expects the headlines of like the robots are 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:48.120 taking their jobs, and like every everywhere this Pepper robot went, 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:50.440 it would lose its job. It was like the headline 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:53.239 was always like robot fired, replaced by humans because and 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.040 again it's because customer service is fundamentally about helping people, right, 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.320 like if everything is in its right place on the shelf, 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.800 you know, maybe and certainly badly like laid out in 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.000 large stores, maybe someone needs a little bit of assistance 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.040 finding like where the section is, where their thing is. 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.440 But for the most part, like when people have a 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.440 problem that they require customer service help with, like it's 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.560 because something has gone wrong, the shelf is not stopped 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.920 like something is bad. And and again like if it's an 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:24.400 abnormal set of circumstances, the robot is almost never and 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.680 like that's where that's where the value should be created 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:27.839 and the rubbles can't do it. 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.600 I saw this good post on x the Everything app Lately, 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:35.080 which was. 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.680 This could go so many directions. 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:41.880 Well, good engineers are building like an AI bar and 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.560 they program every single possibility for someone ordering drinks at it, 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.720 at the bar, ordering other things at the bar, ordering 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.600 a horse that bar. They have everything everything figured out 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.200 for for for people to to go to this bar, 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.200 and then a customer walks in and they ask where 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:58.600 the bathroom is and the whole model breaks. 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.319 Yeah, that's the thing. Though, I love the idea of 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:06.040 also a robot bartender. No bars are about ambiance and 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.360 available diet cokes for me, and it's like I like 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:11.640 how it feels, and I like there being a person there. 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.680 You have like a no conversation or some conversation. Each 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.799 bar is a different bartender. That's part of the joy 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:18.640 of going to a bar. I don't need a fucking 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.160 robot arm to go here. 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.600 You go well, and then and then the other failure 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.000 mode is right. It's like did you see the Wall 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:31.680 Street Journal thing where they have the vending machine. 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:33.000 With random Everyone's I love Johannaston. I think she did 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:34.839 a good job. But the whole thing is like, why 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.600 are we not just like straight up saying this is 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.560 broken dog ship? Why do we have to couch everything with? 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:41.879 But it might work in the. 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.640 No, yeah, no, the idea is right, you put it, 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:47.800 you put a agentic yeah, Claude sort of on the. 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.480 You know agent, it's nell. 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.640 But but right then, like oh, this will just magically 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.000 cover all the edge cases. Well it sort of did, 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:57.600 but like people were able to get it too, like the. 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.480 Buy yeah, like make everything. 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:02.959 It basically just like burned all this money because people 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.279 were able to say, like, just get me this thing. 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.520 I would have literally just stood by it all day. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.600 I would have I would have had that thing. 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.560 This is a physical vending machine, yes. 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.759 With this software on. I mean I remember what one 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.359 of the part they already perfect. 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:15.760 Perfect machine. 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.080 Just go to Tokyo it's perfect go to like a guess 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:24.200 station some type Like. 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:25.960 What was the rationale actually for. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.560 Yeah, what if we invented the machine that could vend 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:32.800 things Like it's just like what if you could service 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:34.720 things using like queens and cash? 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.160 Again, you know, I would have kind of expected to 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.279 do like surveillance pricing, Like what if we were able 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.239 to make something like yeah, it would a little bit 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.560 and then figure out how much you. 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.360 Like, it's the search for like surely there must be 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.520 some use and you know. 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:52.840 I mean it's it's part of like we're trying to 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.080 like ground quote unquote AI into these like physical things 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.200 now now that it's not just hype, and then yeah, 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.240 you can see stuff like yes for like they're trying, 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:02.680 but it's like, yeah, come on, and. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.560 It's a convenient bandy to slap on something, right, you 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.520 can sort of develop a robot to do certain things 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.560 and and it's like, okay, well, as soon as we 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.480 get out of you know, out of our training set, 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.799 we'll just have an LM just sort of swoop in 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.120 and sort of magically solve it. And the reality is 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.160 is that either it can't often or or it solves 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.400 it in ways they create like other totally unexpected problems. 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.880 Like the idea of them being like what if we 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.680 did Oh yeah, it doesn't work, just like obviously broken 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.480 doesn't work. And this is the second time Anthropics done this. 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.279 They did a store and the way they wrote it 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:32.920 was like I'm doing air quotes because it was like, 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.000 we had it run a store. Could it work? 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:35.200 No? 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.920 It made up meetings, it made up this, it did that, 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.160 and it was just like, yeah, guess this doesn't work. 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.759 But if it did, we'd have a vending machine. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.080 There are also people who like will use. They take 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.920 all the models that pay for the premium uses of 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.520 them and they let them loose on the stock market, 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:52.719 and they're like that, this is great, let's see who 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.680 does best eat shit. 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.560 We already had that with night Capital in twenty twelve. 0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:58.759 I think it was they had. 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.040 I mean algorithmic trainings thing. For a while, I haven't 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.840 I have not heard about the l M trading terrifying. 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:06.720 I love that idea. 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:07.920 It does not work. 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.720 Well. It's it's because most stock advice online is bullshit. 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.960 In fact, almost all stock advices bullshit, because if you 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.320 actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't ship it. 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.560 Would not be talking about it, would just trade. 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.680 Yeah, it's just it's really good that they're working on 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:25.880 ways to to do vending machines. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.080 Jesus. Do you guys feel over the past two or 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.279 even three years that you're also seeing a lot of 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.080 times there's a product that actually has maybe some interesting 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.080 improvement and how it functions and and it's and and 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.160 maybe and how a consumer can use it, But they 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.839 just feel I cannot actually get people interest in this 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.000 unless I say there's AI and to graft it onto this. 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.480 I've been trying to understand because I feel like I 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.600 keep seeing products where it's like, I don't actually understand 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.319 what the AI here is. I talk to you, you 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:55.319 don't really seem to. 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:59.640 Have televisions TV. That's my answer. 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.680 Yeah, the smart TV thing. 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.799 Every I've been walking around, it's like, oh, does it 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.120 help with the picture? No? No, No. If you ask 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.880 it what what the capital of Washington state is, it 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:12.560 can sometimes answer it's like great. Anything else, like could 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.439 it control the TV's funk? Oh? God, No, you can't 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.360 turn the volume up, And even if it could, it 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.440 would be like volume up, volume messed up. 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.400 It's honestly, I think that the thing for me actually 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.920 to circle back to where we started maybe the smart glasses. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.440 Yeah, smart glasses were kind kind of kind. 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.879 Of the same like three four years ago, and they're 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.239 now trying to keep selling them by by framing them 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.000 as you know, AI powered smart glasses, when the practical 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:42.160 functionality is almost identical and you have you had that 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.760 one like New York startup, it was like that cheating 0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.400 smart glasses clearly clearly Oh yeah right, So like they're 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.440 trying to find these these ways to like make smart glasses, 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.880 to like find fine find ways to convince people to 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.000 tactually buy these things. 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.000 It's just like what freak would use them? 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:01.480 And that's the problem. 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.960 And the only the only thing that's actually think got 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.840 people to buy the smart glasses is the covert recording. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.160 That's the only thing that's actually gotten people to like 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.000 buy and wear these things is that you can secretly 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:13.680 record people. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.760 And that's that, more than the AI thing has actually 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:18.440 been the thing that sold these glasses. 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:20.080 I wonder if there's gonna be more. I mean, like 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.920 I remember, I'm old enough to remember the glass backlash. 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.239 How is that not New York people break them? 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.839 Yeah, there was this amazing video of someone on the 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.480 subway and he's got just like exactly the kind of 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.759 white guy know you're going to do something you can do, 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.239 And the woman is just staring dead eyed at the 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.040 camera just kind of like come over here, see what happens. 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:42.960 Doesn't got in trouble? 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.680 They should they should get the key to the city, 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.879 Donnie Caliphate should elevate them. 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:50.560 Yeah, we're looking into it. 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.800 No, it's I just also like who is walking around? 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:55.879 I was saying, It's just like who's walking around being 0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.240 like what the fuck is going on? What the fuck? 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.719 What is that? It's good? Who was sitting around being 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:02.560 like what kind of tree? 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.399 That would be a great? That would be a great? 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:09.680 Tim Robinson care that is just what the fuck is 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:10.120 going on? 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.200 A friend of the show case Newton once, I think, 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:17.160 promoted something about how it was like this AI thing 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.399 you could talk about and ask questions as you were 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:22.239 on a drive about like maybe you're driving over a 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.239 bridge and you're asking like, okay, like how old is 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:24.680 the bridge? 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:25.600 What does it mean? 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.400 And so I was like, well you also can just 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.640 like ask yourself those questions or look it up. 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:35.840 Or like yeah, it's taking away the American the American 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.719 right to be driving while scrolling on your phone. 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:43.600 It's not, which is also funny because they sold it 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:46.040 as like a safety thing. I feel like it would 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.920 be have better standing than Actually, haven't you ever just 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.359 want looked at something? How are they not going on there? 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:52.880 How are they not marketing it as like a safety 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.759 thing for like for like how like like a you know, 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.840 like hands free enabled like like search while driving. 0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.400 You want to ship post while you're driving? 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:01.839 It has Yeah, they have to do that. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.799 I just don't walk around thinking things like that. Like 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.600 I don't do walk around and be like walk maybe 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.600 if I'm like in a botanical god, right, what kind 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:11.200 of flowers that? 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:12.680 But I mean, I I do. 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.200 I just I just write the Wikipedia all day. 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:20.000 I write I working around, you know, I I do. 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.040 I just would either remember to look it up later 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.680 or like or take down notes to it because so 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:27.400 I can enjoy the thing in person when I'm there 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.040 and then if I want. 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:30.160 To, Yeah, I don't want to disembodied being like if I. 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:31.319 Want to learn about it, I can get like a 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.240 coffee somewhere and like look it up. And that's that's 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:34.800 like a separate, a separate experience. 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.040 It's just what And it's a good one too. It's 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.400 also good, I think, like the thing I'm always surprised 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.240 by is they're always trying to paint any non AI 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:46.800 mediated experience as a bad, inefficient, inferior experience, and that 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:48.799 actually what you really want, which you don't really know 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:52.480 you want, is you want to have an interlocutor that 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:53.680 is not real. 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.360 This reminds me of the very first product that I 0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:01.399 I that was mentioned during the ct A keynote. And 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:03.560 this is something that I have not found on the 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.400 show floor yet, and I I have to. 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:06.440 I have to look it up. 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:06.840 I have to. 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:08.080 I have to find it and talk. 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:08.319 To these people. 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.080 It is you're you're love to set. 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:16.440 Yeah, it is an AI holographic wind shield display for 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:17.040 your car. 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.520 Wait wait, wait, let's talk about it. So I know, 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.040 I'm actually not going to be as syne as you expect, 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.440 because this is a fairly standard thing like BMW has 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.799 that look like heads up heads up display, which is. 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:35.080 It's it's it's it's a digital interface on on the windshield. 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.239 So it kind of already got those on the windshield. 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:40.960 So the whole thing, all across the whole thing, Oh 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:41.719 my god. 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.359 Yeah, And so you have, you have like you have. 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:46.319 Like you know weather, you have maps, you have all 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.360 all these random things. If you could you compare it 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.319 with some kind of smart glasses that you can search 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.320 and you can see results there. God, And so I 0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:56.439 need to actually find the company. I need to find 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.239 the companies like location and they ask them about it, 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.000 and like to expect like the you know, the obvious 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:01.880 like safety problems of like if something goes wrong and 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:02.800 the screen gets blocked. 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:05.360 But but yeah, it's. 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:06.880 It's it's so funny. 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.359 Is led by the car crash industry, like you. 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.319 Said, like there is there is versions of this thing 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.040 which which kind of work. I think keeping it away 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.400 from the windshield probably a good idea. Keep keep the 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:20.120 display on like the dashboard, but having it directly on 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.880 like on like the borders and emerging onto the center 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:24.560 of the entire y and. 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.799 Your eye level, so you take your off the road. 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:29.960 And you have to look to the courner and specific 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.080 on the on the because there was like one picture 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.080 of it during the keynote, and they have information like 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:34.919 all across the board. 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:36.520 So yeah, your eyes are gonna be darting to the. 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.319 Other side to like the corner of the road to 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.560 read some kind of like pop up thing on the screen. 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:43.919 I love being on my phone. I want to be kid. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.320 I love the computer so much. I have so many screens, 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.400 but I don't know. When I'm driving, I quite enjoy 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.719 not having that. I enjoy I can listen to a 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.560 podcast drive back from girl friend. Listen to last podcast 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:55.200 on the Left the other day that was lovely and 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:59.040 all about Casey Anthony, horrible, truly awful stuff. Didn't get 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.319 that in England. But it's like that, and like the 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:03.719 time when I was just facing forward and listening and 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.480 spending some quality time with someone I love. Like when 0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:08.080 I'm driving on my own, I get chruts to listen 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.360 to podcasts or listen to music. 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:12.000 I don't want to bleep, I don't what's. 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:13.440 The way Like I can look at the window and 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.560 I imagine I sound like fucking Dennis Larry. 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:20.759 Like driving it's a beautiful road up state, and you 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.439 get and you get an intrusive thought, what year did 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.840 Genghis comment? And you ask it and you and the 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.760 screen lights up like someone threw a flash bang inside, 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:34.360 because every surface gets illuminated with information. 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:37.600 Genghis Calm was born in nineteen eighty two twelve fifty eight. 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:40.680 For ten years, though, like the auto industry has been 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.279 coming to CEOs and trying to do what I think 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.400 like all of these AI companies are trying to do, 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:49.279 which is ultimately either replaced like Google or really like 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.680 your phone as like the portal to the digital realm. Yes, 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.960 and there was and and like to to this day, 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.799 there's still this like battle inside these OEMs of like 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.600 of there's factions believe like that car should be cars 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.640 and they're actually sort of you're seeing sort of like 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.759 physical buttons come back. That pendulum is swinging back, and 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.399 I think that's because the reality is is that your 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.880 phone is still the best way to do all this stuff. 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.919 But they're working on making that was I will say 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:16.920 it was exciting when it was at the Renaissance Hotel. 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.160 I saw Faraday Future. Oh they're still here. Yeah, They've 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:24.520 got like these weird like dad wagons. Now, so that's 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:29.520 a lot and story. Tell me if I'm wrong. Faraday 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.760 Future is a company that sometimes makes cars but sometimes 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:33.480 goes bankrupt. 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.200 So they've managed amazing. They're one of these companies that 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.120 like no one is quite sure how they haven't gone. 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.160 Bankrupt they did. I'm thinking of Fisco. 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:46.440 Yeah, Fiskers. We've gone through two Fiskers. Yeah yeah, No, 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:49.120 there's a lot of different ones to one. 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.479 They've gone bank wept and then they're like we're back. 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.759 It was this guy started a second company sick I 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.000 think was. 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:57.799 The one with all the weird Chinese money market. 0:56:57.920 --> 0:56:59.520 Yeah. So, well so the first one was one that 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:00.960 was sort of like it was like a kind of 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.160 like sexier model s sort of it, but it was 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:05.320 like a hybrid, so it wasn't quite like that electric. 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.520 So that was sort of you know, twenty thirty fourteen 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.160 fifteen something that went bankrupt, and then he came back 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:13.359 and made this car, the Fisker Ocean Boy Future though, 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.400 the fair Day Future. Okay, so it's like it's like 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:20.040 this Chinese I think money laundering operation. I'm really you know, 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:24.240 I'm not entirely sure. I'm not comfortable calling them an automaker. 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.680 Well, they have costs them and they have like three screens. 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:29.240 No, I remember they have a car. 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:33.360 I think was it twenty seventeen that they there was 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.880 a there was a they they were one of the 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.040 in the peak sort of like post or sort of 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:43.120 like Tesla fueled like car car hype era. They had 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.960 like a legendarily them it was them an Eco. I 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.520 get the two of them mixed up, but there were 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:52.240 both of them had like legendarily like like bad but 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:55.439 like expensive and massive like spectacles. 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:56.800 Here that like did not go well my kind of call. 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.000 And then like the next year they were like they 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:00.520 didn't even have a booth, but they would just sort 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:01.880 of like brought their car and just sort of like 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.520 parked it on the curb and people would see it. 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.520 And like I think they have they're supposed to have 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.560 a factory here that I think there's like three different 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:10.480 places where they're spposed to have factories. We're supposed to 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.720 be one in southern California and one here, and then 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:14.760 I feel like they pivoted to AI at some point 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.200 there too. But I genuinely like there's only so much 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:18.120 you can pay attention to. 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.360 So it's the it's the Hoyundai mobis Mobius. 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:27.560 I guess it's more holographic windshield display, which is a 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.480 transparent display system that transforms the vehicles windshield into a 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:31.560 digital interface. 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.320 I don't I want to win. 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:36.520 The technology enables to display of navigation, driving data, and 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:41.640 digital content while maintaining cockfit openness invisibility. 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:44.280 Someone's watching Porno on that immediately. 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:48.320 Just my uber drive for being projected onto onto the windshield. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.960 Nice, I mean I already like everything we do it. 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.240 Guys, look at the road. Have you seen the size 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:55.520 of screens in modern cars too? 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:56.000 Like you. 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.160 Like why you can see? Why? 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.640 Why are they projecting a fucking movie on the on 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.880 the right side of the windsheet avatar. 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.080 It gets where like these people don't have human experiences 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.600 because these people all get car service one hundred. You 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.200 think these people like getting in that car to drive 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:17.440 other than like the. 0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:19.160 So you think they're trying to be like, how do 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:20.840 we create what you want from first? 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.000 No, it's like what do those fucking pigs who drive 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:24.760 around all day? 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:25.040 I don't. 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.480 I don't look at my driver, but like when he drives, 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:30.960 he seems to be looking at that transparency. 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:33.720 He's just looking off into nothing. Yeah, he should be 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:34.840 maximizing his efficiency. 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.200 What if he was maxim what if he was content max. 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.320 Why don't we have linked in on the windshield? 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.200 But like you know, they did like parts of this, 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.720 like like having having like the navigation map like right 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.520 above the steering wheel. Maybe not a bad idea, maybe 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:52.280 not a terrible idea, kindly happening having a movie having 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:55.440 digital content displayed on the right side of the windshield. 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:57.560 Like why, well, so, I'll tell you I think that 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:00.120 I'm guessing. Knowing the auto industry sort of the the 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.160 thinking behind this is probably that this is like a 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:05.040 software addressable thing, right, so, in the same way that 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:06.920 Tesla took all of these controls that used to be 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.120 with knobs and buttons and dials and menus and this 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:11.760 and that and put it all onto basically like an iPad, 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:13.640 this is sort of the next generation of that, where 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.280 then you have you're no longer constrained to one's screen. 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:20.120 You can create like almost infinite variety. If it's sort 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.680 of a projection based system, that's projection. That's how I 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:24.800 so so. And again it's you know, I think you 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:26.680 know in the auto industry, you know, you want to 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.400 make an investment in in in hardware that you can 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:31.720 then maximize over a lot of time. And so you know, 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:35.160 software addressability is like the or software defined. Software defined 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.440 vehicle is like the buzzword, right yeah, And and the 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:39.320 idea is that you can do what Tesla has done, 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:41.320 which nobody in the industry thought was possible, which is 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.240 make the same car for ten fucking years and just 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:46.800 you know, throw throw the plubs some like fresh software 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.600 updates every every six months or so, high. 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:53.600 High brightness, full color images directly onto the glass. 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.720 I love this, and we have to cut this up. Well, 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:00.200 we're cutting this the you said minutes. The next for 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:04.280 us is from Glunt, the slot for hogs. What if 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:06.520 you hear anything else, it's for Glunt, I promise you, 1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:20.800 But yeah, catch you in a minute. We are back 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.400 on the show. It's the Consumer Electronics Show. I am, 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:25.960 of course ed Zitron. I didn't identify myself from the 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:27.959 last ones, but you know, I think you worked. Start 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:31.760 by now we've got ed Niedermyer of the Autonic Cast, Hello, 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.600 and Edward on Greater so Junior of the Tech Puble newsletter. 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:38.280 I'm a joined by Henry Casey CNN Underscore. Henry, thank 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:39.800 you so much for joining us again. 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:41.200 And thank you for having me with here. 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:43.880 So I actually I'm going to start off by saying 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:46.360 I saw something I kind of liked. Maybe it's kind 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:48.760 of like there's a specific use case for this, like 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:52.240 show flows whatever. I saw a company that's doing wireless TVs, 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:55.000 like it's a wireless bracket. You put the TV on 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:58.640 it and charges that you can charge it, and they 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.000 sell their on TVs. I thought it was cool. I 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:03.640 thought it was fun that somebody did something new. And 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:05.720 maybe this is just how beaten down I am from 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:08.800 years of CS. I'm like, what if a TV was wireless? 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.760 I guess, and it's like, yeah, I saw that. I 1:02:11.800 --> 1:02:13.600 talked to them for longer than I think they expected 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:15.480 and then just walked off. And I think they expected 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:17.160 I was gonna get a business cards. I didn't. 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:19.760 So it has like a battery packing of it on 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:21.760 a charge. Again, you pull it somewhere else, or how 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:22.560 wireless is it? 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:24.640 You have to You can put any TV on the thing, 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:27.920 you click it in and it powers the TV and 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.040 they o their own ones as well. I thought it 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.160 was fun. I thought it was fun, And now now 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.479 saying it out loud, I see the kind of dead 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:36.840 eyes of everyone looking at me. I'm like, maybe maybe 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:40.280 I slightly had more fun with this than anyone else. 1:02:40.440 --> 1:02:41.320 Ever will it. 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:42.920 Sounds like it would kill with those people who are 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:44.560 like obsessive about cable management. 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:48.080 No, they did. They also may have did. They didn't 1:02:48.120 --> 1:02:49.960 laugh when I said this, even though I thought it 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:51.800 was very I was like, they were like, oh, yeah, 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:53.040 you got the you can do one hundred and ten 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:55.000 inch with four TV screens and they were like yeah, 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.040 sort of like trade shows. I'm like, yeah, that's useful. 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.320 Or you could be like one of those insane gambling 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.800 guys with TVs. And the woman just stared at me, 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:05.320 just fucking I'd love to watch four sports games I love, 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:08.720 like that's part of the fun of Vegas. 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:09.920 Or the Oultimate Mario Kark Tournament. 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:15.600 Marricot Tournament, Land Party Brothers, Smash Brothers. I did also see. Actually, 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.640 and this is a genuinely good thing. It was a 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.640 company called aura At a Mini Led four K TV. 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.680 It was eighty five inches fifteen one five hundred ninety 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:27.440 nine dollars, sorry, fifteen hundred dollars, and it came with 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:31.200 the soundbar built into it. That's nice, Mini led big TV. Again, 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:33.520 we're describing the things like it's just the thing that exists, 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:34.320 but slightly better. 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.120 It's all big as outdoor TV. Or it was one 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:39.360 hundred hundred I mean, I don't know it felt like 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:41.320 one hundred inches, but I have no idea how large 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:43.880 it was. But at the same time, I do think 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:46.600 that when I saw the marketing and outdoor TV, I 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:47.880 was like, I think they should be illegal for an 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:51.040 individual to buy it, but maybe we can let the businesses, 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:53.080 you know, they let them buy these outdoor TVs. 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:54.680 I mean, if you've got you have a TV in 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:55.640 the garden. 1:03:56.840 --> 1:04:01.080 For the have the garden in the hot tip, the 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:01.480 garden of. 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:04.240 The hospitals, you want to have to smoke outside. 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:06.400 You don't think there would have been an outdoor television 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.080 but side Tony Sopranos Pool like, come. 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.320 On, they also had them for a long time. 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:15.080 I'm just saying, I'm coming in from New York. We're 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.320 we're looking into it, and we're gonna ban them into 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:21.560 mom Donnie Telephant, Okay, we're looking into outdoor television. 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.840 Donnie's struggle sessions for outdoor TV. Hey, listen, we're starting 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:29.000 there for landlords. It's the good Ship, Henry. What have 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:30.600 you seen at the show? Now that now that my 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:32.600 two things I like to bummed. 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:37.640 Well bounce off the wireless TV stuff. It's not exactly wireless. 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:39.480 You can see the one wire connection going to it. 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:43.760 But LG's new Wallpaper TV is their new kind of 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:45.840 take on what if an art TV was also an 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:49.120 old led TV. Art TV is for the uninitiated. Samsung's 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:51.640 frames you can put this is like an old ledge, 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:53.240 So you don't really want to have a static image 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:56.440 because you're gonna ruin your television that was burning. Instead, 1:04:57.000 --> 1:04:59.480 you can have a slideshow mode of your art, but 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:03.000 it's it's like a nine millimeters thick and there's one 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.800 power coming out of the back corner. You can hide it. 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:08.080 And Samsung has been doing similar with the Frame Pro. 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.880 But the thing I'm most excited about is it an 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:15.240 eighty dollars ten thousand million power bank from Nimble. It 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:18.200 breaks in half and one half has a USB connectors 1:05:18.360 --> 1:05:21.520 that unfolds. The other half has a USBC cable. So 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:25.000 my best friend when we go out, he never brings 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:28.800 a portable charger. I do now share the wealth, don't 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:30.880 have to sit next to each other. And it's like 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:34.520 actually solving a problem, which is like the CES question 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:38.840 of like is this solving a shareholder dilemma and capitalism 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:41.200 growth or is it doing something that like my parents 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:43.400 will really like because one of them will remember to 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:45.200 bring it and the other one will never remember. 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:47.720 Yeah, that's the thing. Like, oh look I saw an 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:50.600 LG thing where it was again another wireless team. There's 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:52.640 a few of these things, but it was basically you 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:54.160 have the TV in one plug and then you could 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:56.960 plugle the hdmi shit into it. It was low latency, 1:05:57.120 --> 1:06:00.240 no latency. That's cool. But again it's like every we're 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:02.840 describing doesn't feel like the future. Like I'm just I'm 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:04.840 saying these things out loud. I'm like, yay, what if 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:06.920 something was like uh, but that's right. 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:09.160 That's like the bifurcation of the show is that it's 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:12.360 either right these like small iterations that are actually useful, 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:14.800 or it's these like wild behind the sky that will never. 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:15.720 Apply, just don't work. 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:17.920 Yeah, and you kind of have to have both for 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:18.320 a show. 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:20.959 I mean, do you know what I actually you don't 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:23.840 have to have the vapor West stuff. It would be 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:26.560 nice if because I don't know, maybe we're just out 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.800 of ideas, but I don't I know that it may 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:31.600 seem like I'm a huge synic. I would love to 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.080 be wowed. I would love to be amazed, and I 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:37.200 would love to see stuff that maybe go, Wow, new 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:38.400 thing that I like. 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:42.000 I'll be the positive guy again because okay, vaporware that 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.640 becomes actual product and it wasn't vape word to begin with. 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:47.480 We see the words concept product a lot of Yes. 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:50.320 I think I might have mentioned last year that Lenovo 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:53.680 had a laptop that would rotate it screen to try. Yeah, 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.080 that's actually going to be for sale. They announced they 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:58.400 showed off the finished version of it this year. That 1:06:58.560 --> 1:07:01.600 much the price escapes me. I'm not even sure, but 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:02.880 that's the thing. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:04.600 That's the thing they I. 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:07.800 Didn't write the article. My coworker CNN underscored he's got 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:10.680 a video on it. We but no, it's it's it's 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.120 like you knock on the lidden. It opened up on 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.960 its own, and if you're in the kitchen and you're 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:18.680 wanting to watch to read a recipe on your laptop 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:22.280 screen and you're moving your head around, I could see 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:25.560 that being useful also, content creators, Twitch people like all 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.920 the sorts of people there is like it's a weird, 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:30.400 you're gonna figure out who needs this, But it's something 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:32.960 that was seemed like vaporware one year and actually is 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:34.880 on sale and it's gonna come to sale the next 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.680 So it's sort of like saying, hey, I don't think 1:07:37.760 --> 1:07:41.240 Cees is just for the next version of the humane human, 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:42.960 the friend pendent like stuff like that. 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:46.480 You have you seen any friend pendants? Though I'm looking, 1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:50.480 I'm looking for anything like that. I won't I want Oh. 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:52.760 I think I saw, I saw. I did not get 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:55.200 to go to the pendant. But there's there's a pendant 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:58.600 on the Venetian Expo floor that I have to I 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:00.000 have to chat with them about. I was a little 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:02.080 too taken with all the biomeds. 1:08:01.520 --> 1:08:04.680 To Okay, No, I I really want to. I want 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:08.200 more AI. That's hostile towards you. I want Look when 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:10.120 Victoria was on a few months ago, where it was 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:13.760 just like, no, that's not true. Just gaslight me. It's like, 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:16.160 fuck me up, because you know what, stop pretending this 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:19.240 is gonna be my friend, because I know it won't be. Yeah, 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:19.799 I mean. 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:21.439 I do love when they're like, hey, you know, like 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:24.240 we're gonna have robots in these workplaces and they're just 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:26.719 gonna be your buddy. Yeah, I'm not gonna be your worker, 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:28.400 You're not gonna be your colleague. They're gonna be your slave. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:29.160 They're gonna be your buddy. 1:08:29.240 --> 1:08:31.200 So I was going through my photos as well, trying 1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:33.200 to find something useful. But I did find a booth 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:34.600 where I could not work out what they did. It 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.840 was just called wow Now and the tagline was make 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:41.959 your inside outside, Make your inside outside. 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:44.080 David Cronenberg. 1:08:45.200 --> 1:08:48.200 Thinks, but actually that is actually the plot of Shrouds. 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:51.040 It's one of the best movies of the year. 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:52.759 Yes, yes, exactly. 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:56.200 It's a defense against fairies when you turn your clothes 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.080 inside out. That's the only way they don't get. 1:08:58.120 --> 1:08:59.360 We will talk about that after. 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:01.479 I saw a comebody called Palm where the logo kind 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.280 of looked like you said, pawn. That was nice. Yeah, 1:09:04.320 --> 1:09:07.320 it's I really, I really did. Look. I've been looking 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:09.240 for stuff. I saw a company called Zeus that was 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:12.280 claiming they had the only GPUH designed for high performance workloads. 1:09:12.280 --> 1:09:15.479 And it's like they got love sense again, what's love sense? 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:22.000 Sex toys? That's nice, but a little you know, maybe yeah, yeah, 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:27.360 just got some software power hat, power hat. 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:29.120 You put the hound it's like and it gives you 1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:31.360 power one of those floppy hats. It connects to like 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:35.320 a solar charger. I guess. Yeah, And dual USB A 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:40.599 and jew USB seaports. You know what's a bit that's 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:43.160 that is the only permissible one is like if you're 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:46.920 like long distance hiking or a fisher. But the people 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:49.800 buying this might maybe they'll be outdoors people like Robert Evans, 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:51.400 I know, does a bunch of a bunch of like 1:09:51.560 --> 1:09:53.400 so I think he's done solo stuff where he's just 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.080 like when he goes into the woods for a few months, 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:59.320 like to hunt the Sasquatch. I'll ask him about that later, 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:01.720 but it's like that makes sense, But I just I 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:03.880 see this. I'm like, I want to believe man, but 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:04.519 probably I. 1:10:04.880 --> 1:10:07.240 Believe them when they do a solar bonnet when they 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:10.479 do from my people, then I know this series about this. 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:16.800 The Solar par Real Canadian mouthy hat. He's always gonna 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:19.120 be the Brandon Bastard every other year, Like come on. 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:22.080 That big ass hack could probably fit fit PlayStation five 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:22.479 on there. 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:25.200 We won't get granted six anytime soon. 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:28.439 But you know, will we get another pop banger like Happy? Well, 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:33.040 not like we're getting any this year. Oh Fly or 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.240 Die is a perfect album and he never made anything 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.439 better than it. Farrel Williams come on my show and 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:41.920 talk specifically about two thousand and five's Fly or Die 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:44.080 Classic album. Great album. You should all listen to it. 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:44.960 Email me if you've listened. 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:46.879 We're talking about his beef with the Neptunes. 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:49.920 No, not interested, just the album, and then he can 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:52.080 explain to me why he hasn't made anything good like that. 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.800 Since you don't think the Lego movie soundtrack was gonna 1:10:55.800 --> 1:10:56.200 be good. 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:59.759 I think the Despicable meath had a pretty good soundtrack. 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:01.559 I'll give it. I will give him the fact that 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:06.040 Despicable Me despoakable me too. And to speak, three, no 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:11.360 banana fucking. I had not thought about nano banana all day. 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:14.800 It's not my fault. So one of the going the 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:17.519 things that that makes this like absurd stuff so so 1:11:17.880 --> 1:11:20.400 interesting and so extra absurde to me is that there 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.400 is like legitimate technological innovation going on right now. Like 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:25.719 one of the big announcements is not kind of arguably 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:27.800 the bigges announcement in the mobility space as this company 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:31.320 called Donut Lab, and they're they're basically beat all the 1:11:31.320 --> 1:11:33.760 major automakers and battery companies to the punch on a 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:37.080 or at least they say they have to a solid 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:40.800 state battery and this something that means yeah, it just 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:44.840 means so. Uh, it just means that it's it's solid. 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:48.040 So it's a completely the rather than using a liquid 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:51.360 or gel in the in the anode. It's it's just 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:53.040 the whole battery is solid state. 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:55.479 Yes, so just to be stupid, because I really don't know. 1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:57.960 Regular batteries are full of like liquids. 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:01.080 Yes, I know, it's a it's a an electrolt yeah, 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:02.160 fluid electrolyte. 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:05.320 And and the solid state is just a break of something. Yeah, 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:06.000 that's cool. 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:09.040 It is, and and it has like really specific advantages. 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:11.839 So like they claim four hundred water hours per kilogram, 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:15.920 like you know, not much denser than like modern you know, uh, 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:19.120 like the current state of the art. But they say 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:21.519 you can charge it in five minutes. I think what 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:22.120 they said, like. 1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:24.400 Oh that's why the liquid ones charge slow. Yeah. 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:26.519 So and what happens too is with the liquid ones, 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.599 like they form dendrites and things, and so it's it's 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:32.960 not it's I know, I get I get above my 1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:35.240 own pay grade really fast with this battery. Technology is 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:37.320 like really complex, but basically you can think of it 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:39.080 as like sort of almost like crystalline structures. 1:12:39.560 --> 1:12:41.760 Okay, so things full insight and slow them down. 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.880 Yeah, and and and it creates friction and heat and 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:49.680 then fire the solid the solid state does not have 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:53.360 that issue. So it's like unaffected by temperature cool and 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:56.120 and you can charge it really really that's actually. 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.640 Like really good. And that unlocks does that unlock new 1:12:58.680 --> 1:13:00.280 to use cases? Then if it's like you don't have 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:02.400 to worry about the internal temperature, maybe you can run 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:04.000 it a little bit hotter than well. 1:13:03.960 --> 1:13:05.479 I mean it would it would be. 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:08.120 It's so, I mean, I like, ideally, this is this 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:09.960 is the future, right, and and so like all the 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.479 major automakers are are doing this, and they all make 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:16.120 kind of somewhat similar claim. So like right they say, like, uh, 1:13:16.280 --> 1:13:19.080 you fully charge in ten minutes, sixty kilometers will combined 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:22.000 range per minute of charging and up to see six 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:24.479 hundred kilometers on a single sorry for the metrics. 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:26.040 No, No, this is great. No. 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:29.760 So I think like it's this is something that that right, 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:31.920 Toyota has been working on talking about for a long time. 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.679 Hyundai's doing it, like the Chinese battery supplies as well. 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:38.479 I think this is like a little British consulting firm 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:41.320 and their first use case is a motorcycle, so it's 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:45.360 a little questionable show it. Yeah, so apparently the motorcycles 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.240 are going to be shipping this year so like or 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:48.479 like first quarter of this year. 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:50.200 So they should have a guy just doing the six 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:52.439 hundred klometers around. 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:55.640 Well, and with all this stuff anything automotive you got 1:13:55.680 --> 1:13:58.400 evalidated over so many miles, and the idea that they're 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.479 going to be able to build this at at the 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:02.160 quality and then and carelessness. 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:05.080 Yeah, but this is the city of traffic and the 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:07.439 frustration beating around. How you talk to any journalists doing 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:09.840 ces this year, you will see somebody who has been 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:12.880 frustrated about how long it takes an uber. Yeah, and 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:15.599 that is the kind of thing where hands on or 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:18.559 hands off demos are the thing that would really sell 1:14:18.600 --> 1:14:20.280 it and have like even. 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.679 Like an e bike would be Yeah. 1:14:22.800 --> 1:14:24.320 Yeah, I just read about it. I wasn't at their 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:25.920 event or anything. I haven't been in touch with them, 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.479 so they may be getting down something. But I think 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:30.360 that what I've read about it, like there's a little 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.840 bit of like how are these guys like kind of the. 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:36.800 First that's my first thought, Like it's a little British consultancy, 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:40.439 never ever trust the British and also just is Britain 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:42.960 a hub for battery technology? 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:43.880 It has been more so? 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:46.840 Okay, yeah, so like I don't want this to be fake, 1:14:46.920 --> 1:14:47.840 I want this to be real. 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:51.839 No, no, like there are incredible British engineering outfits, especially 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:53.280 in the odd motive space. So like a lot of 1:14:53.280 --> 1:14:56.080 Formula one engineering work takes place in the UK, right 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:59.080 of course, yeah and so, and that's all heavily electrified 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:02.439 now and becoming more so with the new twenty twenty. 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:05.600 You were in the car section as well, right, do. 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:08.320 You see anything just very briefly unfortunately, Yeah, I had 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:12.600 to go to uh I've listened to the then administrator 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:16.479 uh talk, which is how was that? I mean, honestly, 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:19.480 like for this administration, it was like sort of surprising. 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:21.280 That's the National Highway. 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:22.280 Traffic Safety Administration. 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:27.080 Yeah, I remembered all those words. Yeah, but anything good 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:28.839 or just well. 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:32.760 From that conversation, it was like a much higher level 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:34.760 of sophistication than I expected from someone who works for 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:37.280 Sean Duffy. Okay, yeah, this was like a pleasant, pleasant 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:41.920 surprise and and like clearly like, uh, you know, I 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:44.599 think I think the administration wants to be seen as 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:47.760 doing something to help autonomous vehicles. Right, The problem is 1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:51.400 that like regulation is not actually preventing autonomous vehicle deployment, 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:52.400 Like that's not it's. 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:53.960 Kind of like AI. It's like they're like, oh, we 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.200 need less regulations around AI. It's like that is we 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:00.240 don't have those. Yeah, oh we got one guy think 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:02.080 that fuck off. The problem is you don't have enough power, 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:03.519 and no one wants to pay for a dickhead with 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:05.400 the problems, cause it seems like the problem is the 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:07.479 edge cases, like you were mentioning, yeah, yeah. 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:09.840 So he was talking and this is interesting. So kind 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:12.439 of the big challenge with avs is that, right, like 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:16.000 you can't just create a right, we have a driver's test, Right, 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:17.600 you go out and you do some basic things and 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.160 you prove that you have the sort of like general 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.320 capability and they sign off you didn't almost kill anyone, 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:25.040 and you can be a driver. Now that doesn't work 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.360 with this technology because all you do is train for 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:29.479 the test, yeah, right, and then you get vehicles to 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:30.920 train for the test, and then they pass the test 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:32.519 and they go out and they're like totally useless in 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:34.679 the real world. So this is actually like a non 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:39.280 creating regulation for a V is actually much less trivia 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:40.720 of a problem than people think it's. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:40.960 Right. 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:43.200 People are very quick to say, oh, we'll just regulate it. Well, 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:44.960 when you get into the weeds of how to do it, 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:48.840 it's actually quite complex. And again I was shocked that 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:51.639 that the guy at NITZA is actually has like a 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:53.840 an ar secular level. Yeah, and like a kind of 1:16:53.840 --> 1:16:55.800 a sophisticated sense of like, Okay, you need to have 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.280 a test, but you can't have it be some static thing, 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:00.680 and and like the fact is like you know, we 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:02.840 have this sort of self certification system anyway, and that 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:07.599 like if you're faking compliance with the safety standard that 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:10.559 that's sort of illegal already and stuff. So it was 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:13.400 like sort of encouraging. The problem is is that is 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.760 that this is also being used as like a paragraph 1:17:16.920 --> 1:17:19.600 at the federal level because states, right, so like historically 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:22.679 cars are regulated by the federal government, drivers are regulated 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:26.560 by the state the state DMV. Well, so that's a 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:30.640 huge problem, right, Like the av companies absolutely do not 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:35.000 want the patchwork of regulation, and so they're trying to 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:37.800 get a test at the federal level so that they 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:41.439 can kind of preempt the state's right to regulate interesting systems. 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.840 I guess it's regulating technology, but kind of regulating a 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:45.679 driver as well. 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:48.320 These two separate things have become one, and in a 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.000 real sense it is much more of regulating a driver. 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:54.639 Calculates something when you have the because from my understanding 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:58.080 with these autonomous cars, you actually have an overlord watching 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:00.439 is what you have a customer service rep. How does 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:01.160 that play into them? 1:18:01.640 --> 1:18:04.360 So, yeah, this is one of the most misunderstood and 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.880 you know, different companies do things differently. Different companies have 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:10.840 different levels of transparency around this, so you know, no 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:14.280 one description is going to be true true of everything. 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:16.719 But like for example, with way Mo, what they say 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:19.280 and I think that have like pretty good credibility on it, 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.639 is that right, Like for a vehicle to be autonomous, 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:23.960 and this is sort of the established like you know, 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:26.040 engineering view of and for a vehicle to be autonomous, 1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:29.720 when it encounters something that it cannot deal with, it 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:33.080 has to perform what's called fallback autonomously. It has to 1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:36.280 return to what's called a minimal risk condition. And this 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:39.160 is like not a defying thing. It just means the 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:43.360 safest place to sort of pull over and if you're 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.280 not doing that autonomously. It's not autonomous. And so like 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:49.599 Tesla's are not autonomous because when they fail, the human 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:52.400 has to step in and intervene. A lot of people 1:18:52.400 --> 1:18:55.840 believe that, because there there is this link that every 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:59.960 av has to either a remote operator or the ability 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:02.479 to send new guidance to the vehicle, that that is 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:05.960 somehow remotely intervening to prevent a crash. 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:09.240 That's that's physically not it's not possible. That's what's not 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:11.320 possible because I didn't imagine they had the joystickers. 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:13.639 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that folks have tried it, 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:18.040 and it's it just doesn't work. So so what happens 1:19:18.080 --> 1:19:20.040 is that right system, when counter something you can't deal with, 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:24.080 it performs a fallback autonomously. The new guidance is just 1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:25.200 to sort of get it through. 1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:27.080 You have to get it out of that little. 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:28.479 And then and then it takes back over it. 1:19:28.600 --> 1:19:32.320 Okay, so changing gears, Henry, What if if you see 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:35.479 anything interesting laptop wise, and you mentioned a concrete keyboard, 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:36.800 which sounds good for hitting people. 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:39.840 Yeah, key kron actually is doing really fun stuff with 1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:43.160 the materials that they're keyboards, wireless keyboards are made out 1:19:43.160 --> 1:19:46.800 of There was one that was porcelain like in one 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.559 of those concrete. I was thinking, even the most angry 1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:51.840 redditors won't be able to move this by typing, Like 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:53.680 you might use it for self defense if you're that 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:56.439 kind of person, but like I was, but you were. 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:58.599 What I was just talking about that made me really 1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:02.400 think was building some for the test. And while okay, 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.720 laptop said, yes, there is a big story sort of 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:09.800 happening with Dell and pricing, but did people see the 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:12.800 LG laundry folding robot thing? 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:15.280 No, it I saw the robot. I didn't see it 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:16.000 fold anything. 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:18.760 I didn't see it folding anything. I thought moving one 1:20:18.800 --> 1:20:21.160 thing to another. And I was like, is this being 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:24.480 designed to beat the to do the test of the conventions? 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:24.920 Yeah? 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:26.800 And then do every sound like SU's why. I'm just like, 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:31.360 it's also doing at the slowest the It's the the 1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:34.720 sloth in the Zutopia Like, I'm like, so that's the thing. 1:20:34.720 --> 1:20:37.479 But so in laptops. One of the most interesting things 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:41.040 is a year ago Dell said the XPS brand was dead. 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:44.759 It was replacing Dell XPS fourteen with Dell Premium fourteen 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:48.400 and Tech journalsts everywhere were like, what are you doing? 1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:51.000 I love my XPS, people love it. 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:54.840 And then this year they literally an exact came out 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:58.479 and said, I owe you an apology. You guys were right, 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.160 and then they released the dogs ps' is back. And 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:05.000 here's the weird thing. Though they got rid of all 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:07.040 the things we hated about it. The function keys are 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:10.559 actually physical keys. Again that had a weird capacitive touch thing. God, 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:12.559 but it was light up. It wasn't no let like 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:16.519 the touch bar on the Max. But the problem is 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:19.679 that I believe, let me just check me. I believe 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.200 it's they had a last second price change on it, 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:26.720 and I believe it's gonna be two thy fifty for 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:31.200 the starting price at first for the fourteen inch XPS. No, 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.920 and it's gonna in February. There will be lower price, 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:38.160 much lower price under two thousand dollars versions. And they 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:40.599 didn't say why this is. We can all assume one 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:43.320 of two things. What is it tariffs or memory shortage? 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.760 Yeah, the RAM thing is fucking everything up. I don't 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:48.519 know if you've talked to anyone else at the show, 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:51.200 but I've been hearing from quite a few people that 1:21:51.240 --> 1:21:53.800 this is just fucking up everything now because of AI. 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:56.400 That is just smart for the Samsung mentioned they're going 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.000 to raise the price of phones because of because of 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:01.280 fucking AI and RAM kill me. 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:04.679 People are saying that the iPhone eighteen not coming until 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:07.679 next year supposedly is due to that because Apple wants 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:10.160 to wait for the lowest costing phone. They want to 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:13.960 wait to wait out this freaking memory shortage problem, because 1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:15.680 that's the rumor at least right they're moving to a 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:19.240 spring year cadence for the main phone. But like it's 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:23.960 laptops from here on out, we're a little bit concerned 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:27.080 about what if there's gonna be a good amount of RAM, 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:29.559 or it's gonna be overpriced. Like it's yeah, I'm glad 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:31.960 I have my m one fourteen inch MacBook Pro and 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:33.800 that's gonna last me forever, perfully, But. 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.320 It kind of feels like it's gonna price people out 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:40.080 of electronics soon because Tariff's already raised things and now 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:43.599 RAM is gonna raise things. Also that we can generate 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:48.000 sexy of wifus, I guess like it's very strange and 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:49.600 I don't think I've never seen anything like it in 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:52.759 the history of tech, Like we've seen shortages around COVID 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:56.080 and then post COVID, but I don't remember. Just like 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:58.200 the I remember the price of everything going out. The 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.400 thing's becoming hard. It's to get in general, but not 1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:02.559 like one thing within the computing world. 1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:05.959 And to be fucking up a business that makes money 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:07.920 in order to build a business that doesn't. 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:10.600 Well, this is making tons of money, sure, yeah, but 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.400 every other business. That's That's when I'm saying, like devices 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:15.280 broadly are going to take a hit because of the 1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:16.720 PC sales already down. 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:20.439 I think I did not keep track of that, thankfully. 1:23:20.600 --> 1:23:24.360 Yeah, it's just it's I just ah, I keep coming 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.639 to the show expecting the future, but it just kind 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:30.280 of feels dystopian, but not in like the cyberpunk way, 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:35.240 but just in a everything's more expensive and slowing down way. Yeah. 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:38.240 Well, okay, this is the funniest part of all things. 1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:41.479 I never expected to get faster. Amazon's revealed that the 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:44.360 fire TV interface is getting an update and it's getting faster. 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:46.360 They're making you find a TV's Amazon store. 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:48.960 They're just updating the OLS basically, and they've updated a 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:50.840 couple of things. But they showed I was watching it 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:54.519 today and it was loading smoothly and it looked a 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:55.120 little cleaner. 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:57.639 Yeah, if you use these TVs, they off fuck it. 1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:00.439 It's like you you hit the button, it takes like 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:02.120 three seconds for the post to move. 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:07.160 For five years. That broke only because I was I 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:08.840 had a bunch of people in my room and one 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:11.679 of them rammed up into it because it was getting routed. 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:13.960 Then it smashed into the floor. Indestructible. 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.160 Otherwise, yeah, you you what you mean is you were 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:20.200 wearing your freezer costume, ballowy and the tail and I may. 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:29.240 Have been a little lit and then yeah, yeah, and. 1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:29.000 It gets worse if you just bought the Prime day 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:33.160 cheapest fire TV stick and who knows how low powered 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:35.479 that is trying to run whatever. But they said every 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.320 one they they showed it off on a demo on 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:39.840 a regular TV that was running their fire os, and 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:43.839 I was just like watching going. I've been recommending Roku 1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:46.280 to my parents and for a lot of people for 1:24:46.280 --> 1:24:48.400 a while. It's simple and it's easy for people just 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.680 want a grid of tiles like nobody can afford. Not 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:54.439 everybody can afford Apple TV. I wish they could, and 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:56.160 I think a lot of people think Google TV is 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:57.400 content overload? 1:24:57.640 --> 1:24:57.880 It is? 1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:01.840 And it's like you're just getting U Black Mirror episode two? 1:25:01.960 --> 1:25:02.360 I think? 1:25:03.520 --> 1:25:06.200 Is that is? Is there a black mirror of time? 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:06.800 But that? Or no? 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:10.320 Just see all the ads? No, I remember it's the 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:13.520 million credits episode and not Uh, I wouldn't. 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:16.960 Seen any of it. Sorry, Charlie, Charlie does readmore. I'm sorry, Charlie, 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:18.000 but yeah. 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:21.960 No, Amazon actually is answering the critic I've been writing 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:23.400 in for a year. It's like, why is this so 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.360 slow and stuttery? And so I can't wait to update 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.280 the Nike shoe box of streaming six I have at 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:31.479 home because I've been reviewing this stuff for how many 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:33.760 years now? I've collected everything just to make sure I 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:35.320 can cross reference in back reference. 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.640 Do you see anything you really like though, Anything exciting? 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:38.559 Anything good? 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:40.679 Okay, I don't have the space for it in my home. 1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:44.160 But if you're a projector nerd watching stuffy, Samsung's Freestyle 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:46.680 Plus that keeps auto adjusting to whatever space you put 1:25:46.680 --> 1:25:51.320 it on. It projected against curtains and c It was 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.080 clear first of all, but it took a second you 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:56.439 saw it like ripple, and then it auto corrected around 1:25:56.479 --> 1:25:57.920 to a rectangle on top of the curtain. 1:25:57.960 --> 1:25:59.680 That's actually cool. 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.719 But it gets better because they had two different size 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.479 projector screens that it was on, and if you moved 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:08.639 it from one to the other, it recognized the black 1:26:09.280 --> 1:26:13.240 outline of the projection screen and it really automatically like 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:14.360 it automatically resized. 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:15.040 I like that. 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:17.439 And then they did it on a three corner corner 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:20.439 of a wall and it resized like I would go 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:23.040 to Samsung's villa of its forever first look every year. 1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:26.600 It's like they have a minor city almost if you 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:29.080 think Caesar's is a state, this Vegas, this is a 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:31.720 minor city, and like the Freestyle plus projector is the 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:32.160 thing that was. 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:33.720 Like, whoa again, how much? 1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:37.040 Though I don't even if they have announced pricing because 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:38.519 a lot of the stuff the don announce pricing. But 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:41.200 the other weird thing from Samsung and I'm still trying 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.559 to get to the bottom of it. In the corner 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:46.840 of their experience, there was this s ninety five h 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:50.960 o led TV that their claiming is can be an 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.240 art TV and a regular but they had one static 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:55.840 image on it for the entire multiple hours I was there, 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:59.839 and I was like asking everybody, did you guys beat Burnin? 1:27:00.240 --> 1:27:02.880 What is going on here? How is this happening? I 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:04.960 haven't gotten an answer yet. I don't know if it 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:06.920 was just for the show of it all, like showing 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.320 it can do it, but if they've somehow done it 1:27:09.360 --> 1:27:11.960 and they were quietly not explaining it. I have more 1:27:12.040 --> 1:27:14.160 questions for their PR team and that the process than 1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:15.200 I do their technical team. 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:17.519 Good luck on those though, because they don't look from 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:20.160 what I hear that piant and they're not particularly helpful 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:21.439 with answers the question. 1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:24.160 They're responsive to email there. They're nice group of people. 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:26.680 Okay, maybe they've changed over the years, but. 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:29.400 No, everybody's had trouble with different PR, a different outlet. 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:32.120 It's not that's it all depends on who's your history 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:32.400 of who. 1:27:32.800 --> 1:27:35.040 But that's the thing though, with these AUNT TVs, they're 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:37.360 always a lovely idea, but it's like, I don't fucking 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:39.240 know if I want some AUNT on my wall, I 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:41.840 just put up ah And even I saw one of 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:44.360 these e INC things as well, and to show there 1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:46.840 was like an entire hole of e INC things that 1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:53.599 just broke. It's just it's very artistic. Actually, it's like, yeah, 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:56.800 that's yeah, it's just it's like a nice idea that 1:27:56.920 --> 1:28:01.280 you're like, okay, but again at the club last night, Yeah, 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.360 that was just too late for you. No, it's really 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:06.880 it's frustrating as well, because some of these ideas are like, 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:09.200 all right, that's a nice one. How much, Oh, just 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.000 out of the range of most people. Oh, an e 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:13.880 ink screen? Okay, I guess, but how much? Hundreds of dollars? 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:16.920 Fucking I just they should have a cheap section. They 1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:19.120 should literally have a cheap section of this show, like 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:20.879 a below three hundred bucks. 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:23.479 I looked up the projector that I think they typically 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:26.160 have cost around nine hundred bucks that they haven't announced. 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:29.960 It's not particular worst I've heard for a projector. Yeah, 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:33.000 I mean like the Nebula X one pro, the toll 1:28:33.040 --> 1:28:36.040 things like five grand and the X one little boxes 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:37.439 like and yeah, it's. 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:41.559 Like a small tube like like it is a cute 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:44.400 looking I want to call it pixar esque, but like, yeah, 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:47.600 he is a nicely designed I was like, this is 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:49.800 fun to use. I just haven't I have a TV 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:52.120 and I don't care that it's a black rectangle something else. 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:54.120 I'm not the audience for the art TV. I'm not 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:57.720 really a projector audience. But while we were watching this 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:00.719 freestyle plus and doing, I was like, Okay, this is cool. 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.520 This is the article headline, this is like the actual. 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:05.360 But also that's something you could use in an apartment 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:09.240 potentially because it adapts to any surface. Finally, something that 1:29:09.360 --> 1:29:10.719 sounds useful. 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:13.120 Yeah, well I think Also it's like a I think 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:14.559 a little bit of a premium thing too. I feel 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.320 like screens TVs have gotten so cheap and so big 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:20.400 that it's like having your TV like having it be 1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:22.840 either like disguised as art or like hidden as a 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:25.400 projector like it's sort of like a I'm too good 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:27.000 to even have a t TVs er for like. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.360 Yeah, yeah, I did see like the most limped stories 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:34.240 like Amazon's used TVs have rounded corners. I'm just like 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:36.600 at this at this point, they just just don't. You 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:38.840 don't need to post about it, mate, who cares? It's 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:42.080 got round Corners's nice? Yeah, it's just like and also 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:45.160 I went and look, they look pointy. They looked, they 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:48.360 looked actually pointing. Not a circular TV around, Give me 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:50.519 a circular to Yeah, I want to round. I want 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:53.920 I want a re a rhomboid television. 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:56.440 Everything has to be filmed at the Fish Islands. 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:59.360 Yeah. I just though, if you want to do something weird, great, 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.679 send it my way. Don't pretend like it's for everyone. 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.000 If you just want to This is for perverts. The 1:30:04.040 --> 1:30:08.559 pervert section's Pervert TV, pervert TV. I think we have that. 1:30:08.920 --> 1:30:11.680 I think we have perverts. 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:13.640 Television. 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:17.360 Perfect you from YouTube. 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:19.599 My name is ryand Upalm. I've been watching pervert TV 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:22.760 even the past forty years. I'm proud to induce it 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:24.800 to CES. Yeah. 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:26.960 I was gonna make a liquid television joke, but that 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:29.160 could get gross real quick. Well, we're going to wrap 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:32.120 up this thirty minutes and semens Yeah, there we go, 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:36.200 semens Ai Television, pervert television, it's physical coming up next, 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:40.360 and ad from Pervert Television, new streaming service by perverts 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:43.080 for perverts. And if you're the advertiser that comes next, 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:45.640 I am very sorry. I'm very sorry. And if this 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:47.799 is one of the ones where it's my voice recorded, 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:51.400 that's even better. I'm not I'm not running pervert TV, 1:30:51.520 --> 1:31:06.080 I swear. And we're back, and we're back with an 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.439 incredible group of people. Ledward on Gueizo, Junior of the 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:12.400 tech Bubble newsletter Edniedamyer of the Autonocast and Henry Casey 1:31:12.439 --> 1:31:15.160 of CNN Underscored, And we've just been looking at fake 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:17.880 stuff for a few minutes because I wanted to talk 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:21.000 briefly about this thing called the pickle. Now, the pickle, 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:25.200 the Pickle is yet more fucking smart glass bullshit. But 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:27.519 what it is is it? They call it a soul computer, 1:31:27.640 --> 1:31:30.000 and I think just I think we can start at 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:33.000 this point. If you call anything a soul computer, straight 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:35.800 to jail, straight to jel, just to fucking write down 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:38.360 you go. But what's great is this thing? Is this? 1:31:39.120 --> 1:31:43.519 It is these glasses that project images across the across 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:47.280 the glasses, the transparent o leads, and then it has 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:50.040 some mystical AI in it that remembers everything. I'm just 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:52.000 gonna read this. For a better life in every dimension, 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:54.559 we need an intelligence that sees with you, remembers your life, 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:58.160 and learns to understand you. And you saw you soul. 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:01.400 It talks to you. It can teete like guitar stuff, 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:03.880 and it claims it has like memories of stuff you've 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:07.879 seen before. Now this has caused some sort of scandal online. 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.639 First of all, because it's blatantly fucking fake. And there's 1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:13.479 Matt Doward I think has gone completely nuts about it. 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:15.920 It's just like this fucking fake And now the CEO 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:17.720 of Pickle is now arguing with him. I love that. 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:19.840 I just got to say, the CEO of Pickle, why 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.240 is the company called Pickle? I don't fuck it to 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:25.240 be extra special annoying? And Alex Heath was like, it's 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:27.400 completely fake, it's stupid, it's wrong. But wouldn't it be 1:32:27.439 --> 1:32:28.280 cool if it was real? 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:30.200 What if your soul was a pickle? 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:32.320 What if? What if you Well, first of all, if 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:34.320 you make a company called Pickle with a fake device, 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:35.559 you probably don't have a soul. 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:38.840 I have such a negative association with pickles because I 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:41.840 had a roommate who would buy so many pickles and 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:43.920 I touched them that they would fill up the fridge 1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:46.280 and it broke all the shelves. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:49.679 Just the compound weight of pickles. 1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:51.639 Yes, they opened the door and it's like an apple 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:55.240 literally literally, and the and then glass also and pickle juice. 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:57.479 What was the justification for purchasing so many of them? 1:32:57.560 --> 1:33:00.320 I like pickles, but would get so fucking how they again, 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:03.679 all the pickles and how do you forget? You smoke 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:05.679 a lot of weed, and then you go onto our basement, 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:08.800 very spacious basement, right, and you smoke more weed and 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:12.960 you just you get to the pickle dispensary, your fridge 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:18.519 and you see your pickles. Splend No not your mind 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:20.720 was like also one of their pickle. 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:22.320 The answer is he didn't have a smart device. 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:27.080 Remember, you don't need to buy more pickles. You have 1:33:27.160 --> 1:33:29.760 more pickles than you can ever desire. Yeah, but this 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:32.559 is now a scandal because basically everyone's saying this is 1:33:32.560 --> 1:33:34.760 fake and bullshit and the guy is just on X 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.320 the Everything app just fucking going to town with people. 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:40.720 It's so cool. I'm fine with that that this existing. 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:42.960 But he has the post is it? Is? 1:33:42.960 --> 1:33:44.600 It sort of like a people are trying to do 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:46.600 like a Marcus Browne with what was the device that 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:48.760 he sort of like the human pin human pin. 1:33:48.840 --> 1:33:49.080 Yeah. 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:51.400 The reason I bring this up though, is I like 1:33:51.479 --> 1:33:54.960 that every last two CS is we've had oh no, 1:33:55.000 --> 1:33:56.599 maybe it was twenty twenty four. We had the Rabbit 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:56.960 all one. 1:33:57.000 --> 1:33:58.959 That was twenty four, Yeah, twenty four Rabbit. 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:00.000 That show is there? 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:00.479 That one? 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:03.800 No? It was before better Offline. I was a much 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:05.840 largest sad of person. So I didn't really have as 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:07.680 much fun as I could with it. But that was 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:09.960 the one where like everyone fell for it because it 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:12.320 was kind of real, and it's just like that company 1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:14.200 is still rolling around in its own filth. 1:34:14.920 --> 1:34:18.080 Didn't get acquired by like HP or somebody. 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:21.439 Oh no, that was the Human pand HP bought another 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:24.960 company to put it with the Palm Prex. I guess like, 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.760 like it's just really I think every year we need 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:32.360 a fake thing. We need we need something that's like aggressively. 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:35.280 Just got handed a bunch of handed fake that. 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.719 What's you got there there? It just look like boxes. 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:41.160 Yeah, they're boxes that hold things that remind me now 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:45.400 that you said they look like the rabbit agents that 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:49.160 can they AI agents, but they're in cardboard cardboard boxes 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:50.879 that look like fridge magnets. 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.600 Well you got in there because I'm quite curious to 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:57.600 know what's in this box. And there's an AI agent. 1:34:57.360 --> 1:34:59.320 In that looks as a visual medium. 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:03.320 Okay, I see some paper, I see I see it. 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:05.800 There's two boxes and I'm also one right now. 1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:08.040 This is it's like a little green box. 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:10.240 Little green magnet. I said, what is the it's an 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.880 agentic Ai, I said, what's the agent? Party is like, oh, 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:14.640 you know, if you want a girlfriend? Can I see this? 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:17.679 Can I see this? Thank you? Ai Pie. 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:20.360 Okay, this is just a box with a connector on it. 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:24.040 That is the memory. 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:26.200 This is just a battery. Man, I'm gonna be no, 1:35:26.280 --> 1:35:30.320 it is. There's no agent in that. Well, I'm disappointed 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:34.240 down now. The rabbit R one was an NFT project 1:35:34.400 --> 1:35:36.720 that I wrote like a huge piece about because they're 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:38.680 fucking fake and te thing, but I like that we 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.240 have we should have you. If you want to do fake, 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:43.360 you have to go all the way because this is 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.759 Fickle has the most glossy website. It's like the most 1:35:46.800 --> 1:35:50.759 like sheen Field website. It looks so professional on mobile. 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:52.679 It just keeps going, Yeah, it's an. 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:55.760 Endless and they're just like yeah, it'll do everything now 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:58.479 if you fucking pig. But it's it just made me 1:35:58.479 --> 1:36:00.680 look at it. You look at that, like, wow, this 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:01.759 looks very. 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:07.000 This is another again and there's just there's something. 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:10.960 It looks like another battery, but it's blue. It's got 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:15.920 a screen. Tiny. Okay, so this thing is I'm just 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:17.519 going to describe this to it, says X. 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:19.879 X origin Origin. 1:36:20.000 --> 1:36:26.760 Yeah, Origin, they're calling its z origin. There's zurrigein. Okay. 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:30.080 I hit the button and it's like flashing blue and 1:36:30.280 --> 1:36:31.280 it is doing nothing else. 1:36:31.280 --> 1:36:34.120 Oh, you have to you have you gotta put them together. 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:35.080 I put them together. 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:37.479 Okay, you put them together. And then when A P 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:41.080 I A I P I, when the AI pie AI 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.840 pie is connected only to the battery module, pressed the 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:44.959 power button briefly. 1:36:45.200 --> 1:36:47.840 Okay. I pressed the power button briefly, and after the 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:51.040 white light turns on, white light turns on. Okay, So 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:54.560 this is great for a audio medium, I realize. But 1:36:54.600 --> 1:36:56.640 the thing is about this is it's like this is 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:58.160 just two It looks. 1:36:57.960 --> 1:37:01.679 Like we're playing with smart legos. Yeah, which is a thing. 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:06.360 Hard to describe, how underwhelming it is, just like a. 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:11.479 It's just the crap show now because but when you 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:14.000 read about the pickle, it's funny, especially after a day 1:37:14.000 --> 1:37:17.240 of looking at actual smart glasses where everything is just blurry. 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:19.040 And the guy was like, oh, what are you seeing? 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:22.280 And it was I think, what were those ones? Where 1:37:22.400 --> 1:37:24.559 is that the TCL booth? I think I saw them 1:37:24.760 --> 1:37:27.120 because that one was it was like twelve hundred dollars 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:29.080 and it didn't really work very well. You had to 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:32.200 control it by these people don't use products, I think, 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:35.559 because it's like, yeah, you just like rub your finger 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:38.600 across the top right part of it, and it was 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:41.200 like a picture of Leonardo da Vinci and it's like 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:44.880 photos and you could take video with it. And I 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:46.400 had to walk away because all I could think of 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:48.040 the back of evers, I just want to ask him 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:50.040 what the fucking point of any of this is. But 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:52.120 I think I would have turned into Werner Herze and 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:55.360 make Peo put this device on my face and it 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:57.519 takes me away from humanity and then you steal my 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.280 money for it. But I was just decided not to 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:03.080 do the bit there. It's just I'm I'm really this 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:04.960 whole time, I've been trying to rack my brains of 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:07.360 why I would ever want because I like the idea 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.240 of a heads up display. I think the idea of 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:11.920 walking around being able to pull one up. But all 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:13.400 of these things seem to run into the same thing, 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:16.280 which is they want to be constantly on. They don't 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:18.680 want to they don't seem to want to be like 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:21.040 things you briefly look at. They want to absorb your 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:24.559 attention fully and it just doesn't feel like any device 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:26.559 does that other than the phone, and the phone doing 1:38:26.600 --> 1:38:29.400 it doesn't seem to be for good reasons either or 1:38:30.280 --> 1:38:30.920 with good results. 1:38:31.000 --> 1:38:35.599 Yeah, so I've been using the x real one sel. Okay, 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:38.559 it's the newest and it's good. It's what I like 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:41.360 about it is it will meet you where your posture is, 1:38:41.600 --> 1:38:43.559 especially if you're a pasture is Like let's say I'm 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:45.400 in my hotel and I might want to play a 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:49.960 video game on my like whatever portable. The lead didn't 1:38:49.960 --> 1:38:51.880 go s demos, But I don't want to hold this thing. 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:53.080 So I was just going to flight for a while, 1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:55.400 right tired. But I put these glasses and I. 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:59.320 Have and it's just a TV screen effectively. 1:38:57.439 --> 1:38:59.880 It puts the screen above you and you can move 1:38:59.880 --> 1:39:02.040 it and you can just have the controller in your hands. 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.759 And sure, I feel like I'm in Wally's Origin stories 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:09.240 at that point. But in that case, and if I 1:39:09.240 --> 1:39:11.439 had managed to pack it correctly on the airplane, which 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:14.519 I couldn't because everybody goes to see s overpacks, it's 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:17.080 the problem. But like no, I think x Rayal is 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:18.560 one of these companies and they're doing a bunch of 1:39:18.600 --> 1:39:22.519 different partnerships. They're working with seemingly everybody possible, which you 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:25.839 sort of want if like you want cross compatibility, right. 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:26.200 I wouldn't. 1:39:26.280 --> 1:39:27.840 But I went to the X Real booth and I 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:29.240 was I was kind of excited to go over there 1:39:29.240 --> 1:39:30.760 because I thought these are just gonna be glasses that 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:33.800 little TV's in your eyes, and I'm like, way less. 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:36.040 There are way more offensive things on the show. And 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:38.640 I get there and there's just a fucking thing that 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:41.840 says Vibe agent. And I try and they're like, you 1:39:41.840 --> 1:39:43.640 could book a demo. I'm like, you don't want to 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:45.040 see you don't want to put me in a box 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:48.720 with this fucking thing. Only one of us is I 1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:49.320 don't know. 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:50.160 I don't know. 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:54.080 It's a Vivans Vivan's agent. It's a Vivan's agent. I 1:39:54.400 --> 1:39:57.320 take metal Fen today and it's fine. I'm trying to 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.200 find this thing because it was so bizarre to me 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:03.559 that they're just putting these words to It's like vibe 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:07.320 description at this boy like AI agent glasses, fucking fucking 1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:08.160 slap and. 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:10.639 Then it's just take slop. 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:12.599 And I saw a guy, one of the demo guys, 1:40:12.760 --> 1:40:16.120 very overly eager fella was like yeah. I call these 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:18.760 my Tony Stark glasses, and I tried to use them 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:20.080 as like, sir, there's a line, and there was like 1:40:20.120 --> 1:40:22.639 a twenty five person line. I'm just like, oh god, 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:25.480 this is just I don't lining up for anything feels 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:28.720 deranged here. And I always think the same thing, which 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:31.439 is if you had double the amounts of these, you 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:35.160 would be fine. Maybe they're trying to do like they're 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:37.720 trying to make it so that scarcity is that you're like, oh, 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:40.000 why is everyone lining up for this? Maybe they're just 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:42.040 trying to put friction between people and the products they 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:44.559 They just don't fucking work that well. Is there? 1:40:44.600 --> 1:40:44.760 Right? 1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:47.799 There must be AI shit in this, I said agents No. 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:51.559 No, I wonder was there were there? Where was this? 1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:52.719 Because were there two. 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:56.320 Boots in the It was in the what's it called 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:58.000 the South Hall? 1:40:58.040 --> 1:41:00.720 I believe because I've been going, because I've been that's 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:04.120 affair like they are. I will say the words a 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:06.160 slab as many times as I feel like it, and 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:11.160 I don't think i've seen that much AI. If any ready. 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:15.160 Reddit thread here saying the instant translation the Visual Assistant 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:18.640 Object Recognition Productivity BOO boost quickly access shots remind us 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:20.400 or instructions while you do something else. 1:41:21.720 --> 1:41:23.639 Yeah, it's and it's an ex real product. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.479 Here we go, Project Aura. It feels like tomorrow. Jesus 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:32.920 fucking Christ. It's on Android x A hands free control tomorrow. 1:41:33.160 --> 1:41:37.880 Oh yeah, I see it. Yeah, it's an unlocked early access. Yeah, 1:41:38.000 --> 1:41:40.200 this is not something I have gotten my hands on yet. 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:41.719 Why didn't they say it looks like tomorrow? 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:43.599 I don't know. 1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:46.120 Wouldn't that be. 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:47.280 Because feel is something you feel. 1:41:47.720 --> 1:41:51.840 Yeah, I see, looks could be deceiving, Yes, it might 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:52.920 not look like tomorrow. 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:55.880 And then also look is the signature weasel word when 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:58.240 you're not really able to commit to anything yet. Yeah, 1:41:58.320 --> 1:42:00.920 it looks like it open, it looks like it could 1:42:00.960 --> 1:42:02.400 be a company that isn't lying to us. 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:03.920 But then why doesn't feel that? 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:07.760 It's just like I keep seeing this thing of like this, 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:11.320 they have this imaginary person who's just looking around, going 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:13.920 what's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? Dude? What's that? 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:15.160 What's that object? What's that? 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:17.120 But then you come here and you do see that person, 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:19.440 but the person is on the floor. 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:23.479 Or hordes of that that photo that post of of 1:42:23.560 --> 1:42:25.760 just like the Horde trying to like break in at 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:26.000 ten A. 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.160 M Oh my god, yeah did I did I send 1:42:28.200 --> 1:42:30.240 you guys a picture like that? 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:32.400 You posted the photo of the people like trying to 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:33.840 break into the show floor. 1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:35.120 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:37.760 The same thing. I was like, is it always like this? 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:39.880 No? I and I said out, I'm like, what are 1:42:39.880 --> 1:42:41.160 you so excited about? 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:44.200 I saw a crowd, the largest crowd I've seen yet 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:48.879 in any CS around a room a new roomba device 1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:51.160 that wasn't a room but like a room room but 1:42:51.400 --> 1:42:52.720 s and I was like, what the. 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.800 At least that's approving party, Like you said, that is 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.240 something that works every year, and like last year. I 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.560 didn't check out the robot vacuums this year, but I 1:43:02.600 --> 1:43:04.559 remember last year they were like, we've got little arms 1:43:04.560 --> 1:43:07.080 that can pick stuff up. I did. That actually led 1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:09.400 me to one of the funniest things. I'm sure that 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:11.960 this was for like legitimate reasons. There's a robot vacuum 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:15.200 company where you could pick up a cleaning struggle. It said, one, 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:19.040 pick your struggle to drop your coin. Three get your magna. 1:43:19.160 --> 1:43:21.520 You're a now entering the cleaning struggles. 1:43:21.320 --> 1:43:23.840 And then it just had a dust always hides under 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:26.599 low furniture. Hair always gets tangled in the brush. Too busy, 1:43:26.680 --> 1:43:29.920 no time to clean, Cleaning requires too much disassembly. I 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:32.000 there are times when I want to know more, and 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:33.960 there are times when I just read something. I'm like, yeah, 1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:35.120 that's all I need, you know. 1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:37.320 But I like, this is the issue is that you 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:39.519 can fully automated task, but like the robot will need 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:40.160 to be maintained. 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:41.000 Yeah, like do you want to? 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:42.920 You're sort of trading one thing for the other. And 1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:45.760 again with like consumers, people will buy the thing because 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:47.120 they're like, oh, I'm lazy, I don't want to. 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:48.240 I don't wanna you know. 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:50.479 I totally get that, but they don't think that what 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:53.160 they're doing is they're trading like the occasional sweep or 1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:57.000 vacuum of their floor for like, you know, maintaining this 1:43:57.280 --> 1:43:59.200 complex machine. 1:43:58.760 --> 1:44:01.200 With like light ar and like I have a fucking 1:44:01.320 --> 1:44:05.240 robo rock. If you're listening from robo Rock, your shit sucks. 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:07.600 That's what it was. It was robo rock. It was 1:44:07.640 --> 1:44:10.080 a big giant black and red pavilion. 1:44:10.160 --> 1:44:12.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, I have a quite expensive robo rock. 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:15.680 And the dust that that ship doesn't pick up, I 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:17.880 undo that ship with a fucking sweat the fact I 1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:20.439 have to clean up after my robot at this point. 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:22.280 Just make it through little turds. Make it a game. 1:44:22.560 --> 1:44:23.760 Some an AI lawnmower. 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:28.040 An AI lawn mower isn't that interesting. See, that's one 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:31.400 where I'm like, I could almost imagine the industrial applications 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:34.080 if you just take AI away, because robotics has been 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:35.479 doing AI for a while. That's fine. 1:44:35.680 --> 1:44:37.080 Another one of the things where it's like, you know, 1:44:37.520 --> 1:44:40.680 what might be an interesting innovation that I could be 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.439 sold into A pitched the AI onto it, and then 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:46.920 I'm like, I don't know, yeah, I even. 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:48.599 Though it was already out because if you already had 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:51.559 like ey rob doing like anything Gutta cleaners and ship 1:44:51.920 --> 1:44:52.719 you know, yeah. 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:55.320 I mean any anything like that, whether it's a like 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:58.920 the lawmowers or like pool cleaners and another classes like 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:02.559 actually useful robot now that they were I mean that's 1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:03.880 that was AI before. 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:06.640 Yes, they just didn't have to they didn't have to 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:07.840 say words. 1:45:08.000 --> 1:45:10.839 Yeah, So hearing aids that were just they were literally 1:45:10.960 --> 1:45:13.800 just hearing as and they made some improvements and they 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:16.080 are throwing AI. But then you ask them about it 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:18.400 and it's like the technology that like you said, last generation, 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:21.880 they're already using. Yeah, you know, I grew systems to 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:23.840 try to improve your ability to hear things. 1:45:23.880 --> 1:45:27.640 At this sense, it's just like I'm now thinking, you 1:45:27.680 --> 1:45:29.559 just chop the word AI off and it would be fine. 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:32.200 But did you see any robot vacuums? So I'm gonna 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:33.920 have to chase these fuckers down myself. 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:37.400 I am not the one covering the robo vacuum on 1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:40.719 a team. I just saw the dancing a GI robot. 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:44.160 Yeah, okay, talk to me about this goddamn thing poop. 1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:46.200 Dance like me at my the first wedding I ever 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:49.240 went to when I was ten years old, and it 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:52.040 was unfortunately named a g I bot And I'm like, no, 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:54.799 this isn't Actually this is doing a pre rehearsed routine, 1:45:54.920 --> 1:45:57.599 like why are we words have meaning, or at least 1:45:57.640 --> 1:45:58.080 they should. 1:45:58.439 --> 1:46:01.519 So it's like, I will that thing so hard it flies. 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:03.360 There were two of them, so they might try to 1:46:03.360 --> 1:46:04.000 come at you from. 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:06.639 Both, and I've been boxing for years. I'll take those 1:46:06.680 --> 1:46:09.560 fuckers out, no problem. Me and my weapons. 1:46:09.680 --> 1:46:10.960 Yeah, robots don't have weapons. 1:46:11.040 --> 1:46:13.160 Robots don't have weapons, and they don't have friends. 1:46:13.680 --> 1:46:15.080 They don't have dance moves apparently. 1:46:15.200 --> 1:46:18.280 But the Boston Dynamics people have made people afraid, which 1:46:18.320 --> 1:46:19.639 is the whole thing where this. 1:46:19.840 --> 1:46:21.679 That's the way most some people afraid. 1:46:21.760 --> 1:46:22.519 Well, no, that's the. 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:24.960 Thing where most people engage with the idea of like 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:27.280 the robot that will do anything? Is it one social VideA? 1:46:27.280 --> 1:46:30.360 They solve a bost Dynamics thing three years ago, right, 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:32.280 and then that's informed them to think, ah, shit, I 1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:34.800 gotta be careful about everything from now on. Yeah, but 1:46:34.960 --> 1:46:36.760 when you look at it's like, oh, it's trying to 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:37.800 serve a press demo. 1:46:38.160 --> 1:46:39.920 Yeah, those are all highly as well. 1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:42.840 What's it the demo for? What is the purpose of 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:44.480 the dancing robot? 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:47.000 It to disarm you, I'll. 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:49.040 Impressing you and getting your money to invest in it. 1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:51.640 So the very first chatbot was created in the in 1:46:51.720 --> 1:46:55.599 the sixties and Eliza, Yeah, and so there's Eliza effect. 1:46:55.720 --> 1:46:57.600 I think so much of what we see here is 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:00.320 driven by sort of different versions of that, which is 1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:04.840 where you show people something doing a task that they've 1:47:04.840 --> 1:47:07.240 only ever seen a human do before, whether I'm dancing 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:10.400 or mowing a lawn or whatever else. And because like 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:15.439 our only metaphor for intelligence is humans we automatically leap to. 1:47:15.760 --> 1:47:18.720 This must be a human level of intelligence, right, this 1:47:18.800 --> 1:47:20.799 is what this is what has fuel Tesla's autopilot. 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:22.640 Does that makes sense that Yeah, it's like if we 1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:25.400 make it seem human adjacent, they'll just fill in the gaps. 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:28.120 That's what they've done with LMS and exactly right. And 1:47:28.439 --> 1:47:31.120 what this does is this it locks you into this mode. Again, 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:33.880 We've seen ten years of this with Tesla autopilot, where 1:47:34.200 --> 1:47:36.400 it's like it's getting better, it's getting better, it's getting better, 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:39.040 it's getting better, it's getting better, but like what's getting 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:43.680 better is the illusion? Yes, and what is completely like 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:47.000 left out of this entire framework for engaging with with 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:49.599 any kind of automation technology is the is the fact 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:53.240 that at some point it becomes actually useful, there's actually 1:47:53.320 --> 1:47:56.000 real value. And with the autonomous vehicles, it's really simple. 1:47:56.040 --> 1:47:58.599 When that point is it's when the company says we 1:47:58.640 --> 1:48:01.000 take legal responsibility for this system. 1:48:00.760 --> 1:48:01.559 And they never will. 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:04.000 Well, WAYMO does did. 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:04.560 They actually take that? 1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:05.120 Of course? 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:05.720 There's no. 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:08.559 Yeah, there's no, there's no there's no human in them. 1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:10.479 I mean the zukes is that are running around the strip, 1:48:10.520 --> 1:48:12.120 and and the waymos that are all over the Bay. 1:48:12.800 --> 1:48:15.320 There's no there's no human in them to take responsibility. 1:48:15.439 --> 1:48:17.880 It's it's oh, I suppose that's right. Yeah, I mean 1:48:18.040 --> 1:48:20.960 what about the robotex season in Austin. They still got 1:48:20.960 --> 1:48:21.519 people in them. 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:24.640 Those have someone in the in the passenger seat. But no, 1:48:24.720 --> 1:48:27.000 I mean in Texas, like those are technically considered to 1:48:27.000 --> 1:48:28.520 be autonomous vehicles. 1:48:28.720 --> 1:48:30.599 By Texan autonomy laws. 1:48:31.080 --> 1:48:32.679 Yeah, which are essentially non existing. 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:34.920 Nice, that's good, that's really It's. 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:37.360 Funny when you actually pull up the Tesla Robotaxi app, 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:40.840 it says if your ride is in Texas is autonomous. 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:43.160 If you're ride is in California, it's not. 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:45.080 And it's the same experience. 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:46.080 I mean, it's the same thing. 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:51.040 Yeah, very fucking Have you used Zekes Yeah, so I'd 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:53.840 ride with Zokes a year ago at CES, right, So 1:48:53.880 --> 1:48:55.600 I haven't so so that was cool, But I was, 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:55.960 you know, it. 1:48:55.920 --> 1:48:57.800 Was with with the ct Yeah, it's like the start 1:48:57.840 --> 1:48:59.880 of a whole thing. H And to be perfectly honest, 1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:01.960 at the time, I was like this, it's a very 1:49:02.080 --> 1:49:04.200 It's it's the only product that you can kind of 1:49:04.280 --> 1:49:06.200 ride in right now that is designed from the ground 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:07.200 up to not just be a car. 1:49:07.280 --> 1:49:09.679 Yeah, because it's like an empty room with wheels. Yeah, 1:49:09.760 --> 1:49:11.960 and so that's good. That's kind of cool the Docklands 1:49:12.000 --> 1:49:12.680 light railway, and. 1:49:12.720 --> 1:49:14.479 It's perfect for the strip. And like for a long 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:16.880 time the AV space was like like AV companies were like, 1:49:17.120 --> 1:49:19.360 we can't like market on the novelty of this because 1:49:19.360 --> 1:49:21.439 it's like such a serious thing. We're going to conquer 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:23.639 the world. And and like one of the cool things 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:25.519 that's happened is that there's been so much like struggle 1:49:25.560 --> 1:49:27.880 to get this stuff to market that now it's sort 1:49:27.920 --> 1:49:30.519 of like, well, fuck it is. It is novelty, right, 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:32.960 Like this is just a cooler way to ride down 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:35.080 the strip to the club or to the you know, 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:36.200 the casino, or to this. 1:49:36.200 --> 1:49:37.400 That to the guns shop. 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:39.720 Yeah, And like I think that's fine. I don't know, 1:49:39.720 --> 1:49:41.320 I don't know how they're making money doing it, and 1:49:41.439 --> 1:49:41.880 I don't know. 1:49:41.960 --> 1:49:44.639 That's actually are any of these companies making any money? 1:49:44.760 --> 1:49:47.040 No, the robot taxi companies are not yet making money. 1:49:47.080 --> 1:49:48.240 Why are they bleeding so much? 1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:51.880 Well, because it's extremely expensive. I mean each one of 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:53.960 these well so each one of the vehicles. So like 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:57.080 you know, we work with estimates, but you know, best 1:49:57.160 --> 1:49:59.240 estimates for a WEIMA is you know, two to three hundred. 1:49:59.040 --> 1:50:01.320 Thousand dollars of vehicle, right. 1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:03.599 And then the operating costs are very high. We don't 1:50:03.600 --> 1:50:06.400 we know very little about like how many how many 1:50:06.400 --> 1:50:09.240 miles can they go? Right, because they're these electric vehicles 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:11.960 and they're powered by you know, they're powering not just 1:50:12.000 --> 1:50:14.519 the drive but also all this light, ar and radar 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:17.720 and compute and all these other things. So like the utilization, 1:50:18.000 --> 1:50:19.280 how many rides can it give. 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:21.519 Before they must just go back and charge. 1:50:21.680 --> 1:50:25.160 Well, I mean, apparently they're they're burning somewhere on the 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:26.439 order of two billion dollars a year. 1:50:26.640 --> 1:50:30.400 Jesus fucking Christ. Is that that from purchasing more of them? 1:50:31.160 --> 1:50:35.120 That is, they're scaling very aggressively, and they're also they're 1:50:35.160 --> 1:50:38.280 continuing to use most of the So they were ready 1:50:38.320 --> 1:50:40.200 to sort of start bringing in this vehicle from China 1:50:40.200 --> 1:50:43.800 which was using fewer sensors and so really bringing the 1:50:43.840 --> 1:50:45.640 cost down, and then of course tariff screwed that up. 1:50:45.960 --> 1:50:47.600 I think they've got that back on track based on 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:50.719 my conversations here, so you know, I think they're Look, 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:53.320 I think WEIMA will get to a point where where 1:50:53.320 --> 1:50:55.599 they will you know, have a viable business. I think 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:58.200 they're racing. I've heard fifteen billion dollars right now to 1:50:58.280 --> 1:50:58.800 get to. 1:50:58.960 --> 1:51:01.200 IPO running out of money. We're running out of money. 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:03.679 I swear to We're gonna run out liquidity. 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:05.920 And twenty twenty six is gonna be wild, because yeah, 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:08.639 WEIMO is not the only company that needs to raise money. 1:51:08.720 --> 1:51:11.479 There's huge I PO is, SpaceX. 1:51:10.960 --> 1:51:14.000 Open AI, Open AI is not going to fucking I 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:14.280 p O. 1:51:14.400 --> 1:51:15.200 I don't know any of them. 1:51:15.200 --> 1:51:18.440 An I think SpaceX could. 1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:21.439 I'm I'm pretty. I'm pretty. I mean we'll see, like 1:51:21.840 --> 1:51:24.519 better than I would prove me wrong. I mean, look, 1:51:25.240 --> 1:51:27.559 you know, I think I think SpaceX, like Tesla, has 1:51:27.720 --> 1:51:29.680 the kernel of a real business there with the with 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:32.559 the Falcon nine launch program, it's the most cost effective 1:51:32.560 --> 1:51:35.600 way to get into orbit. The basic critique that I have. 1:51:35.680 --> 1:51:38.360 And again, like you know, make the numbers public, I go. 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:40.360 I hope they go public because we'll see the numbers. 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:43.200 Actually, this is why I want to. I want Anthropic 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:45.400 and open Ai to go public so bad. No to 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:47.559 just find I mean, look, I just know, let me 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:50.640 look onto the hood, let me let me see how 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:52.760 much you're burning. Because I bet it's a lot. Well. 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:54.639 I mean I was talking to you about this off 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:57.920 off air, but there's two Chinese ai companies that go 1:51:57.960 --> 1:52:01.479 in public, Zoogi and Mini Mac. They called forget show 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:03.479 someone on the man sa I'm wrong on that one, 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:06.040 but they I think one of them makes like thirty 1:52:06.040 --> 1:52:09.559 five million dollars in revenue a month and spends two 1:52:09.640 --> 1:52:13.040 hundred billions or two hundred million even sorry, Yeah, and 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.559 that you've got to spend money to lose money, I guess. 1:52:15.760 --> 1:52:18.000 But I think that you know what, if this is 1:52:18.000 --> 1:52:20.200 the year when we finally get some clarity over that, 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:21.080 I'd be really happy. 1:52:21.439 --> 1:52:23.639 Well, and I mean just in terms of elon Musk, 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:28.040 I mean like Xai burned what like fourteen billion thirteen billion, Yeah, 1:52:28.040 --> 1:52:31.599 and like he's made this whole his whole thing work 1:52:31.680 --> 1:52:33.680 for a long time by you know, he's really good 1:52:33.680 --> 1:52:34.320 at raising money. 1:52:34.360 --> 1:52:38.679 But then also today did they Yeah that's nice. Yeah. 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:43.640 I think the level of burn has that that Xai itself, 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:49.800 which has no profitable business to it, is like dramatically higher. 1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:52.320 Tesla has always lost or not always but almost always 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:54.719 lost money. Yeah, but like they could mitigate that loss 1:52:54.720 --> 1:52:56.240 and they can kind of string it along and Goo 1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:58.720 a couple of years between raising rounds, but this is, yeah, 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:05.519 ten plus billion dollars year. Elon's empire is really fragile 1:53:05.720 --> 1:53:07.840 even without that kind of cash burn. And so I 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:08.599 think twenty twenty. 1:53:08.400 --> 1:53:13.080 Six, Yeah, they raised twenty billion dollars. Si Vela Equity 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:17.960 Partners steps, Yeah, Fidelity, Fidelity Management fell through it again award, 1:53:19.840 --> 1:53:24.000 Qatar Investment Authority, MGX, and Barren Capitol Group among other 1:53:24.080 --> 1:53:27.880 key partners. Investors in the round include Nvidia and Cisco. 1:53:28.520 --> 1:53:32.280 We're doing the dot We're doing the dog coom boom again, folks. 1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:33.759 We love the dog coom boom. 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:36.040 Okay, Well, so they gotta love raising money and then 1:53:36.040 --> 1:53:37.280 a couple of years of burn now and. 1:53:37.280 --> 1:53:41.599 Guess what do they maybe twenty billion dollars A Data 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:45.519 Centers XI continues to expand its decisive compute advantage, world's 1:53:45.560 --> 1:53:48.599 largest day I super computers at Colossus one barely built 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:50.960 and Colossus two not built at all, ending the year 1:53:51.000 --> 1:53:53.639 with over a one million, h one hundred GPU equivalents. Now, 1:53:53.880 --> 1:53:55.720 for the non technical audience, that's just a lot of 1:53:55.760 --> 1:53:58.800 GPUs so they can generate c SAM I guess, but 1:53:58.920 --> 1:54:02.000 my favorite part of this is rock Force series. Our 1:54:02.040 --> 1:54:04.439 frontier language models are built on the best in class 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:07.880 training infrastructure powered by Colossus. They've pushed reinforcement learning training 1:54:07.920 --> 1:54:12.559 to unprecetated levels, refining Grock's intelligence reasoning. An agency using 1:54:12.560 --> 1:54:14.920 pre training scale compute, what do you train on? You've 1:54:14.960 --> 1:54:16.280 been trainerating child porn? 1:54:17.280 --> 1:54:22.120 I mean no, that's the But what's the product? What's 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:22.800 the revenue? 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:25.680 Oh? Sorry, they don't have that here. They don't have that. 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:28.920 They will say that our reach spans approximately six hundred 1:54:28.960 --> 1:54:31.799 million monthly active users across the X and CROC apps. 1:54:32.080 --> 1:54:33.320 Bull fucking ship. 1:54:33.360 --> 1:54:34.840 Getting skills easy when it's free. 1:54:34.960 --> 1:54:38.680 Also, Twitter doesn't fucking gap that many users like I 1:54:38.760 --> 1:54:41.040 genuinely don't think they've they've done that. 1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:42.840 Are you suggesting that Elon must might be. 1:54:42.920 --> 1:54:45.160 Like I know ed, I know you're a big Elon 1:54:45.240 --> 1:54:45.720 Musk fan. 1:54:45.840 --> 1:54:49.240 I mean it's hurtful. It's hurtful to have his credibility questions. 1:54:49.280 --> 1:54:53.040 Yeah, charding a path that will spread the light of 1:54:53.080 --> 1:54:59.360 civilization on our planet. Yeah, I I wish the listener 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:01.120 could see everyone face is what I said? 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:05.520 That even a drink when you said that, it's I 1:55:06.200 --> 1:55:08.600 just feel like this is a year of reckonings. I 1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:10.600 think that that's the thing, because sure they built twenty 1:55:10.600 --> 1:55:13.400 billion dollars, but he needs to build fucking Colossus and 1:55:13.440 --> 1:55:14.000 Colausus too. 1:55:14.040 --> 1:55:16.520 I mean it goes to that or we're gonna get 1:55:16.800 --> 1:55:20.240 getting blitzed and in December being like it's all fucking fraud. 1:55:21.400 --> 1:55:24.640 But the thing is, as I've been saying, we're running 1:55:24.640 --> 1:55:26.960 out of money. Yeah, like we're running at twenty billion dollars. 1:55:27.640 --> 1:55:29.440 He wouldn't be talking about a SpaceX IPO if he 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:34.160 wasn't desperately. Yeah, he's the value also, the thing that 1:55:34.240 --> 1:55:36.720 he dangles out in the deep future. And like the 1:55:36.760 --> 1:55:39.400 mart he said so many times, it's like a really 1:55:39.440 --> 1:55:43.160 important part of the fanboy orthodoxy that like the mission 1:55:43.200 --> 1:55:46.200 to Mars is so important that we cannot compromise it 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:49.600 by allowing, you know, shareholder value. 1:55:49.280 --> 1:55:50.880 To become an issue. 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:53.000 Yeah, and as long as Eland is the richest guy 1:55:53.040 --> 1:55:55.720 in the world. Like that was totally, Like that worked. 1:55:56.240 --> 1:55:59.760 The moment he started is fascinating because the vibe has 1:55:59.760 --> 1:56:02.120 been wrecked in the in the Tesla subreddits for like 1:56:02.200 --> 1:56:05.400 years now for a number of reasons. The SpaceX ones 1:56:05.440 --> 1:56:08.240 really fell this this last year, and the I p 1:56:08.360 --> 1:56:10.520 O they were. They were crumbling already, just the number 1:56:10.560 --> 1:56:13.640 of times Starship was exploding. Yeah, but the I p 1:56:13.800 --> 1:56:16.880 O news was the thing that really I saw these 1:56:16.920 --> 1:56:20.080 forums start to like actually melt down, because the whole 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:22.760 point of all of this is now like Elon can't 1:56:22.760 --> 1:56:25.120 guarantee it, right, like if he turns space ex over 1:56:25.200 --> 1:56:27.760 to shareholders, there's no guarantee that the mission happens. 1:56:28.000 --> 1:56:30.240 I mean, because it was, I wonder how they react 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:33.800 also because you know, didn't he said they weren't also 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:36.720 doing this series he fund raising round. Yeah, he said, 1:56:36.960 --> 1:56:39.560 this isn't happening. But it's also an upside around. Now 1:56:39.640 --> 1:56:42.320 it's you know, it's even bigger than before. So I wonder, 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:43.040 but it's that big. 1:56:43.120 --> 1:56:45.440 Nvidia DA sent a deal though the the SPV, but 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:48.040 that was going to do a special purpose vehicle. We 1:56:48.080 --> 1:56:50.360 don't talk about that SPV ship. 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:52.400 Talk about previous deal. You don't need to. 1:56:52.760 --> 1:56:53.640 Valor the value. 1:56:53.680 --> 1:56:55.960 The value Yeah it was No, it's the twenty billion 1:56:56.000 --> 1:56:57.480 dollar two billion from Nvidia. 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:00.360 Yeah, valor was the middleman or they're doing the least 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:03.200 back or something. But it's all private, so you don't. 1:57:02.960 --> 1:57:04.800 Know, like, yeah, but they they did it close. 1:57:05.360 --> 1:57:06.080 I I think so. 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:09.840 Yeah, but that's the thing like this or just getting 1:57:09.880 --> 1:57:12.680 back into my regular bullshit. There's a eight billion dollar 1:57:12.800 --> 1:57:14.920 deal the Oracle has been talking about doing for months 1:57:14.960 --> 1:57:17.240 that's disappeared off the thing. I just think the banks 1:57:17.280 --> 1:57:18.160 are running out of money. 1:57:18.200 --> 1:57:21.240 It's so sick also that that deal was talked about 1:57:21.240 --> 1:57:23.160 so loudly. It's like, this is going to be a 1:57:23.200 --> 1:57:27.800 cornerstone of the coming overbuild for Compute. This allow us 1:57:27.880 --> 1:57:29.640 to be able to put ourselves in the lead and 1:57:29.680 --> 1:57:31.400 ahead of any other competitor. 1:57:31.520 --> 1:57:34.360 When I remember people from from banks saying after the 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:38.240 Twitter deal that like that dead debt that they weren't 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:39.960 able to get off the books was really starting to 1:57:39.960 --> 1:57:42.240 impact their ability to fund like like new deals, and 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:44.760 it was really starting to sound like the especially with 1:57:44.800 --> 1:57:47.040 banks that have been historically very close. I won't name 1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:50.520 any names, but but with Elon, it sounded like the 1:57:51.000 --> 1:57:54.960 magic was was sort of over. But it seems like they're, yeah, there's. 1:57:54.760 --> 1:57:59.120 Still it's stay a cent as bullshit like it really, 1:57:59.200 --> 1:58:02.560 it's just the everyone's so Google for data centers these 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:04.680 days that they're just like, what if he builds more. 1:58:05.680 --> 1:58:08.080 It's also so funny to close this the same week 1:58:08.080 --> 1:58:11.480 as the fucking see Sam thing. You're like, like, I 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:14.640 don't know if I'm a business journalist, I have any 1:58:14.720 --> 1:58:19.640 chance fasking anything. I'm like, hey, Fidelity, are you investing 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:23.800 in the data centers or the child born? Because that's 1:58:23.800 --> 1:58:26.240 the thing. It's like, I'm not even being like, I'm 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:29.080 not trying to be crash. It's a fucking question. Like 1:58:29.520 --> 1:58:31.600 Bryce Elder Legend from the Ft did a great piece 1:58:31.640 --> 1:58:35.680 today where it's like, oh, it's like the pornography generator 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:38.320 connects to a social network and it was just a 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:41.800 list of all the staff at X but with clown makeup. 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:43.040 On FT. 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:48.160 Drice Elder Alphavil legends. No, it's it's very funny watching this, 1:58:48.320 --> 1:58:52.120 and he doesn't usually do anything at CS. I wish 1:58:52.120 --> 1:58:54.640 he never. I wish he did. I wish the big 1:58:54.680 --> 1:58:56.880 companies would fuck this place up a little bit more, 1:58:56.920 --> 1:58:58.160 just to make it more chaotic. 1:58:58.320 --> 1:59:01.600 Listen one year you to notice that there's gonna be 1:59:01.600 --> 1:59:05.600 a South Africa section and you're gonna see all your 1:59:05.600 --> 1:59:09.120 fa all the stars, Peter thel all the all the 1:59:09.160 --> 1:59:13.160 famous South Africa Mark Andresen is not South Africa, all right, 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.400 It's it's the other motherfucker that I Oh, my god, 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:20.200 the other bold motherfucker always forget his name will come 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:20.440 to me. 1:59:20.520 --> 1:59:23.520 I'm sure. I'm sure the listeners can fill in the gaps. 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:25.240 Grumple Shieldtz, that's his name. 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:27.680 I'm calling him that, but I'm gonna look him up. 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:27.800 Now. 1:59:27.800 --> 1:59:29.120 It's gonna bother me, all right. 1:59:29.640 --> 1:59:31.520 I think we're gonna wrap it there though. Now we've 1:59:31.560 --> 1:59:34.040 talked about Elon Musk a little bit. This has been 1:59:34.080 --> 1:59:37.240 such a lovely episode. Thank you all for listening. 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