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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And according to an economist Yugov poll,

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Speaker 1: six and ten americans support Medicare for all. We have

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Speaker 1: such a great show for you today. The Lincoln Projects

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Speaker 1: own Rick Wilson joins us to talk about how Trump

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Speaker 1: is facing lots of pushback from the base over the

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Speaker 1: Epstein client list cover up. Then we'll talk to director

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Speaker 1: Eva Orner about her new movie Surviving Ohio State on

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Speaker 1: the Horrors. Jim Jordan oversaw well at the University of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: But first the news, BALI, welcome back from vacation. Everything

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Speaker 2: is fixed. We went away. America is great again. I

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Speaker 2: particularly was reminded how great America was while I saw

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Speaker 2: a country that actually has infrastructure investments and how nice

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Speaker 2: life can be with it.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I love that you're bragging about your Yes, Jesse went

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Speaker 1: to Japan Where Molly went newwhere she went nowhere? Jesse,

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Speaker 1: did you have fun in Japan?

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I ate well, but mostly I saw that it really

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Speaker 2: would be nice if we made nicer bridges and two

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Speaker 2: hundred mile an hour trains and stuff. It actually invested

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Speaker 2: in these things instead of giving billionaires tax cuts. It

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Speaker 2: would be nice if people had nice things.

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Speaker 1: So my friend Jesse Cannon, yes, is a communist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's see yes, Okay, so let's talk about what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Massive flooding in Texas. We now see

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Speaker 1: reporting a couple of days later that while these catastrophic

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Speaker 1: floods were roaring through central Texas, the Federal Emergency Management

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Speaker 1: Agency FEMA did not answer nearly two thirds of calls

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Speaker 1: New York Times. Okay, so that's two thirds of all calls.

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Speaker 1: It's two days later. Christy Nome was on Meet the

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Speaker 1: Press with Kristin Welker, and let's stay listen.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to talk big picture in just a moment.

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Speaker 4: But the New York Times is reporting that thousands of

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Speaker 4: calls from flood victims to FEMA call centers went unanswered

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Speaker 4: in the middle of this ongoing disaster because you didn't

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Speaker 4: renew contracts to keep call center staff in place until

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Speaker 4: nearly one week after the floods. Why did it take

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Speaker 4: so long to extend those questions.

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Speaker 5: Those contracts were in place, nobody, no employees were off

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Speaker 5: of work. Every one of them was answering calls. So

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Speaker 5: false reporting, fake news, and it's discouraging. It's discouraging that

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Speaker 5: during this time, when we have such a loss of

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Speaker 5: life and so many people's lives have turned upside down,

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Speaker 5: that people are playing politics with this. Because the response

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Speaker 5: time was immediate, and if you talk to anyone in

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Speaker 5: Texas that was there that was a part of this operation,

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Speaker 5: they would say the federal government and President Trump immediately responded.

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Speaker 4: Just to be very clear, on July seventh, fifteen point

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Speaker 4: nine percent of calls were answered. I mean, does that

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Speaker 4: concern you that only fifteen percent of calls were answered?

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Speaker 4: These for people in a desperate state. FEMA often the

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Speaker 5: These contracts were in place, and those people were in

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Speaker 5: those call centers and they were picking up the phone

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Speaker 5: and answering these calls from these individuals. So that report

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Speaker 5: needs to be validified. I'm not certain it's accurate and

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure where it came from. And the individuals

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Speaker 6: I'd love to have them put.

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Speaker 5: Their names behind it because the anonymous attacks to political

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Speaker 5: size the situation is completely wrong. I care these emergencies.

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Speaker 1: So what's fascinating about this is this is reporting from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, they always really exude what they

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Speaker 2: do the appearances, whether it's Herb Bessen, Lutnik or whoever prepared,

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Speaker 2: and by that I'm being totally absolutely sarcastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also just like, I mean, look, this

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Speaker 1: I Mean, in the fifth season of this administration, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in other news, what are the funny things

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Speaker 2: this administration claims it's doing is it's cutting all these costs,

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Speaker 1: This was actually a huge scoop from Miami Harald, and

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Speaker 1: they published this. They had the list of people because

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Speaker 1: the data as a list of more than seven hundred

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Speaker 1: Tripworld promised that they would not do this to people

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Speaker 1: The whole thing was they were only going to do

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Speaker 1: this to criminals. But in fact, you will be shocked

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Speaker 1: to hear that hundreds of immigrants with no criminal charges

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Speaker 1: And this is from the Miami Herald. It's actually joint

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Speaker 1: Miami Herald Tampa Bay Times Mixed. Among the detainees arrested

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Speaker 1: remember Trump made a big deal about how he was

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Speaker 1: criminal charges. So these are two hundred and fifty people

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Speaker 1: who are just in this country illegally, which in a

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Speaker 1: previous administration would be a civil charge, but now that

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Speaker 1: Trump is in charge, it is a criminal charge. The

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Speaker 1: data is based on a list of more than seven

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Speaker 1: hundred people who were either being held under tents. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then I think the most horrifying part of the

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Speaker 1: said that the drinking water comes from the toilet. The

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Speaker 1: People were my age, Frost began. Frost is very young.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the youngest member of Congress right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was other congress people who toward this,

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Speaker 2: who saw other horrible things, and it really sounds monstrous

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Speaker 2: and horrible, but this is what we were kind of

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Speaker 2: expecting to happen even before this administration took place. Speaking

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Speaker 2: is that Trump is going to start playing with both

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Speaker 2: birthright citizenship and well beyond that of just natural Board

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Speaker 1: So Trump is trying to distract from look he's got.

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Speaker 1: The base is mad about the Epstein stuff, the trade talks.

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Speaker 1: There are no ninety deals in ninety days. We're almost

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Speaker 1: at ninety days and we still have no deal, or

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Speaker 1: is trying to do something which he did in his

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Speaker 1: first administration. It worked for him, and he's like, look

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Speaker 1: love being mean to Rosie o'donnald. So he says he's

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Speaker 1: going to take away her birthright citizenship. She technically, I

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Speaker 1: think is living in Ireland, so I'm not sure why

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Speaker 1: she even cares. But he did say that she's not

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Speaker 1: in the best interests of our great country. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that means. In the best interest. I'm giving

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Speaker 1: serious consideration to taking away her citizenship. She is a

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Speaker 1: wonderful country of Ireland if they want her. God bless America.

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Speaker 1: There is so much stupid here. It's hard to pars.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it all translates to something. Please

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Speaker 2: stop talking about the guy who called me his best

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Speaker 2: friend wants Jeffrey Epstein exactly.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the Enemy's List. We are back from vacation.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and since we're back, I had to get

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Speaker 1: Cheers Rick Wilson, who got me drinking die coke again

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Speaker 3: Drinking down to two a day maybe three a day time.

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Speaker 1: No, you always say that, and it's very annoying.

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Speaker 3: It's true, though, I've managed when you.

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Speaker 1: Hook someone up else on heroin and then you're like,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you can control your daily uptake of crack cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I really want to hear about how

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Speaker 1: But you know, you and I have this group chat.

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Speaker 3: Yes, people who we.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't were not. I mean, I feel like you're not

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Speaker 3: On this group chat. But if you aren't on it,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to go a bit further and say that, yes,

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Speaker 1: sounds like he's panicking, and I was like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I must have missed it a lot. So what happened

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Speaker 3: Well for the first time in a decade, For the

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Speaker 3: very first time since the beginning of Trump's ascendance in

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, he has completely lost control of his ability

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Speaker 3: to control MAGA and their narrative, the Epstein cover up

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Speaker 3: that he has ordered Pam Bondy to engage in, and

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Speaker 3: I am hearing increasing drum beats now that it was

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, like what Trump World said,

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Speaker 1: Instead they were basically like, there's no list, there's no anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't know, but there's certainly a couple pictures.

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Speaker 3: We've seen hundreds, Molly, there are hundreds, and their relationship contemporaneously,

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Speaker 1: So let's so let's talk about So we don't know

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Speaker 1: Better are you than me? Baby?

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Speaker 1: months of people being horrified and then it was just

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Speaker 1: a stream of endless leaks. And that's what this is, right,

434
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Speaker 1: this is just now.

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Speaker 3: We're back to a leak level like Trump. The only

436
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Speaker 3: thing that would make the leaks more frequent right now

437
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Speaker 3: in Trump world is if Kelly and Conway came back

438
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Speaker 3: into the mix, because she was the she was the

439
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Speaker 3: all time reigning leak champion for what a reporter told

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Speaker 3: me a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of years ago, but wasn't but a lot of this stuff,

442
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Speaker 1: like one of the biggest leakers, right, all of the

443
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Speaker 1: I mean right, that's what it's Trump, guys.

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Speaker 3: Ninety five percent of the stories you see that have

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Speaker 3: a senior White House source, it's Donald Trump picking up

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Speaker 3: the phone and calling a reporter.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if it's ninety five.

448
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Speaker 3: Well maybe not nice, you're right, let's call it sixty five.

449
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Speaker 1: My man likes to talk on the phone.

450
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Speaker 3: He do like to talk on the phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So let's just get for a let's talk

452
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Speaker 1: for another second about kind of where we are in

453
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Speaker 1: this moment. Last week, Trump or two weeks ago, Trump

454
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Speaker 1: passed this big, beautiful bill that is going to just

455
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Speaker 1: wreak havoc, though some of the cuts are backdated to

456
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Speaker 1: the midterms, in the hopes that Democrats will get blamed

457
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Speaker 1: for them, and said Republicans, which I feel like is

458
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Speaker 1: just the epitome of maga. They're selling it as no

459
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Speaker 1: tax on tips and no text on overtime. That's not

460
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Speaker 1: how any work, right, and is going to work. But

461
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Speaker 1: I want you to it was like still a win

462
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Speaker 1: for Trump, right, he could transmit it as a win, right,

463
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Speaker 1: he got passed.

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Speaker 3: It was I mean, he passed an extremely unpopular piece

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Speaker 3: of legislation that will not it will not grow more

466
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Speaker 3: popular with time.

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Speaker 1: Correct, But he did get He wanted to appeal to

468
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Speaker 1: repeal Obamacare, and he was able to get a sort

469
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Speaker 1: of skinny dedicaid expansion repeal snuck in there.

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and look the damage this is going to

471
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Speaker 3: do to Trump's own base. They've timed it to delay

472
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Speaker 3: it till after the next election. But the people that

473
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Speaker 3: supported Donald Trump most fervently, and Steve Bannon is right

474
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Speaker 3: about this. A lot of the people on medicare, Medicaid, Snap,

475
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Speaker 3: Social Security as tan of all those things. A lot

476
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Speaker 3: of those people are maga voters.

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Speaker 1: Well, because they felt that all their people were getting

478
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Speaker 1: their stuff and that there were these mysical getting their stuff.

479
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Speaker 1: And you know, and some of this can be blamed

480
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Speaker 1: squarely on the shoulders of New York City's mayor, who

481
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Speaker 1: put a bunch of people in a hotel right next

482
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Speaker 1: to the the the station, the train station, and gave

483
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Speaker 1: them phone cards. And then The New York Post covered

484
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Speaker 1: it with zeal if you give if.

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Speaker 3: You give Trump and Murdoch a sword to cut your

486
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Speaker 3: head off, they will cut your head off. Yeah right,

487
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Speaker 3: I mean.

488
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Speaker 1: But also, can I just say, having the one newspaper

489
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Speaker 1: in the one local newspaper in New York City, which

490
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Speaker 1: is arguably the biggest city in America, be controlled by

491
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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch means that everything that happens here has a

492
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Speaker 1: kind of troll is used for a kind of trollers.

493
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Speaker 3: Of course, the Post, the Post exists as part of

494
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Speaker 3: the feeder mechanism for the National Republican or MAGA media complex,

495
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Speaker 3: because they're the ones who are always finding the story

496
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Speaker 3: of a Muslim man took his pants off in the

497
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Speaker 3: subway today, and then then every MAGA on their Facebook

498
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Speaker 3: believes that every Muslim guy in New York is walking

499
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Speaker 3: around with their deck hanging out. I mean it exaggerates, exacerbates, amplifies,

500
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Speaker 3: and like I said, it's a feed It's a feed

501
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Speaker 3: line for for Fox itself and for the other MAGA outlets.

502
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Speaker 3: It's why that's why they're covering them, Dami the way

503
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Speaker 3: they are with this unbelievable hyper vigilance at the post.

504
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Speaker 3: You know, everything is the antisomitic?

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Speaker 6: Is he?

506
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Speaker 3: This is he?

507
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Speaker 6: That?

508
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Speaker 3: Is he a communist? Well, he sees the means of production,

509
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Speaker 3: and they're looking at everybody who supports him. Now, oh,

510
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Speaker 3: he's supported by the bushwick Wickan coalition or whatever, so

511
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Speaker 3: that they can turn it into a bigger, stupid or

512
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Speaker 3: more more lurid idea of what New York really is.

513
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Speaker 1: Lurid New York. Rick Wilson Goodbye Eva Orner. He is

514
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Speaker 1: a celebrated director of documentaries like Brande Helvel and the

515
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Speaker 1: Cult of Fast Fashion. And the new HBO Max documentary

516
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Speaker 1: Surviving Ohio State. AVA talk to me about how you

517
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Speaker 1: decided to make this movie Surviving Ohio State. So it

518
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Speaker 1: actually came to.

519
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Speaker 6: Me through the producers, through agent, and my initial response

520
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Speaker 6: was that I didn't want to do it because for

521
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Speaker 6: a whole bunch of reasons. It's kind of crazy. You know.

522
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Speaker 6: I always go with my dart and my guy is this.

523
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Speaker 6: This is not for me because I'm Australian. I've lived

524
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Speaker 6: in America for twenty one years, but I did not

525
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Speaker 6: go to college. I know absolutely nothing about college sports.

526
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Speaker 6: I don't even didn't go to college either.

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Speaker 1: Go on, yeah, yeah, I wait to college.

528
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Speaker 6: But in Australia. But I don't even think I knew

529
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Speaker 6: what OSU or the Black Eyes was three years ago,

530
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Speaker 6: Like I was that out of the loop. And I

531
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Speaker 6: also thought it's a true die story. And I'd just

532
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Speaker 6: done pretty recently another abuse film for Netflix about Bikram

533
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Speaker 6: chadrib yoga guru. So I just everything it was saying

534
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Speaker 6: do I do this? And I spoke with John Werthheim,

535
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Speaker 6: who wrote the article that it's based on, and he said,

536
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Speaker 6: I think you're wrong. I think you should do this.

537
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Speaker 6: Talk to some of the guys. I think I called

538
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Speaker 6: three of the survivors and by the end of the

539
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Speaker 6: third conversation that all said, Wow, I told you things

540
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Speaker 6: I've never told anyone before, and I was so moved

541
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Speaker 6: and I thought their story was so important that I

542
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Speaker 6: for the first time, probably in a long time, I

543
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Speaker 6: went against my guard and I said, you know what,

544
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Speaker 6: I'm going to do it. And I really don't regret

545
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Speaker 6: it because getting to know the survivors and telling their

546
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Speaker 6: story has been a real honor.

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Speaker 1: It's such a sort of weirdly tragic moment for me too.

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Speaker 1: But also I feel like this has been a very

549
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Speaker 1: tough road for survivors. Obviously, these survivors are not women,

550
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Speaker 1: but survivors are survivors, so talk to us about that.

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Speaker 6: I think that's really tough. And this is not always

552
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Speaker 6: the case. But in other college sex abuse scandals that

553
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Speaker 6: you know that were really high profile, like Penn State

554
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Speaker 6: and Michigan State, the survivors were treated with respect and

555
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Speaker 6: they are believed, and especially the Larry Nasa survivors, when

556
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Speaker 6: they came out go young women, they were applauded, they

557
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: were considered heroes. They got their day and caught with

558
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Speaker 6: Larry Nasa, who was a monster and went to jail

559
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Speaker 6: for a long time. We all watched them, and they

560
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Speaker 6: also got big settlements. You know, the settlements in in

561
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Speaker 6: Michigan State were between one and one and a half

562
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Speaker 6: million dollars. And I think what's really tragic about this

563
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Speaker 6: story and difficult is that it's been seven years since

564
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Speaker 6: they first came out with the story. Always to you

565
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Speaker 6: has been saying, we're doing everything we can to settle this,

566
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Speaker 6: We're doing all the right things. But they're not because

567
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Speaker 6: behind the scenes they're fighting them in court and they say,

568
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Speaker 6: we've offered them settlements. But the settlements that are offering

569
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Speaker 6: a poultry in comparison. And this is something that a

570
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Speaker 6: lot of people don't know. The settlements that to you offered,

571
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Speaker 6: they're in the settlements. There are a few admit liability

572
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Speaker 6: and the survivors would have to sign them, and some

573
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Speaker 6: of us settlements demanding the survivors could never criticize OSU publicly,

574
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Speaker 6: and that's why a lot of them didn't sign. And

575
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Speaker 6: plus the average the average amount was two hundred and

576
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Speaker 6: fifty thousand dollars. So these guys have been through you know,

577
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Speaker 6: what is it now? Thirty forty years of hiding what

578
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Speaker 6: happened to them. Then they come out. Then they're ridiculed

579
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Speaker 6: because a lot of people were saying, real big tough guys,

580
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Speaker 6: I don't believe for a second you couldn't have clubbed

581
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Speaker 6: with this little doctor. And then on top of that,

582
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Speaker 6: you know OSU has been kind of farding them to

583
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Speaker 6: as as the lawyer in the film alone, Moselfa is

584
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Speaker 6: fi tooth and nail behind the scenes. So it's been

585
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: a really difficult experience for the survivors. On top of

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Speaker 6: everything they went.

587
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Speaker 1: Through this doctor, doctor Richard Strauss. We have seen other

588
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Speaker 1: sports doctors, right, Larry Nasser is a really good example

589
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Speaker 1: of that. But do you think this story was made

590
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Speaker 1: more complicated because one of the coaches, right, or one

591
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Speaker 1: of the sort of assistant coaches, was Jim Jordan, Yeah,

592
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Speaker 1: Republican member of Congress. So did that complicate or add

593
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Speaker 1: a political dimension to this story.

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Speaker 6: It's very tricky because the first people to come out

595
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Speaker 6: of this story were the wrestlers. They're featured predominantly in

596
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Speaker 6: the film, and Jim Jordan was a wrestler, an assistant

597
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: wrestling coach to OSC for ten years, and he was

598
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: really close to a lot of these guys they considered

599
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: considered him like a brother, and many many of them,

600
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Speaker 6: including a referee who was forty years old when he

601
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Speaker 6: was assault, should buy Doctor Strauss. Many of them say

602
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Speaker 6: that Jim Jordan knew. That they told Jim Jordan, and

603
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Speaker 6: they also thought that they would be able to count

604
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Speaker 6: on him when they came out with the story in

605
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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, and also their coach, Rush Hallickman, and the

606
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 6: opposite happened. Russ went silent, and Jim Jordan actually, you

607
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 6: know you see in the film. He's come out repeatedly

608
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Speaker 6: on Fox News and other broadcasts saying it never happened.

609
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Speaker 6: I never saw it, And there are many many survivors

610
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Speaker 6: that they he knew. And what also came out in

611
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Speaker 6: the investigation that the independent investigation that OSU did after

612
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 6: this all happened was that a lot of coaches knew,

613
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Speaker 6: and Jim Jordan says in a click we use I

614
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Speaker 6: think from Fox he says, no coaches didn't know. That's

615
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Speaker 6: been proven to be incorrect. So Jim Jordan's very very

616
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Speaker 6: important in this story and very problematic, and he's really

617
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Speaker 6: let down a lot of guys who had a very

618
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 6: very close relationship with me and who looked up to

619
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Speaker 6: him and admired him enormously.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there was sort of less attention

621
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Speaker 1: paid to this because of the partisan aspects, Right, you

622
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Speaker 1: have Jim Jordan, who is this wildly powerful member of Congress,

623
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Speaker 1: super famous, and then you have Ohio, which is a

624
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: red state with a lot of restrictions, where the idea

625
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Speaker 1: that there's abuse and that it's then gay abuse. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it has to be that these two

627
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: things are quite a one two punch towards the kind

628
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Speaker 1: of red state mentality.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like there was a lot going against

630
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Speaker 6: the guys, and they didn't. When I say the guys,

631
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Speaker 6: I mean the survivors. I think they didn't expect it.

632
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Speaker 6: They expected to be met seriously and taken seriously and

633
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 6: to be traded as abuse survivors should. I mean a

634
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 6: lot of them dropped out of school. Their lives were changed,

635
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 6: you know, they lost their career. Al who's in the

636
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 6: film who was raped, dropped out college. He would have

637
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 6: been a pro hockey player. I mean, Dan in the

638
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 6: film says, you know, his relationship with his father wasn't

639
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 6: able the same because he drops. I mean so many.

640
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Speaker 6: I spoke to maybe close to one hundred survivors. Most

641
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 6: of them won't obviously go on the record. It's such

642
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 6: a big thing to do. And I have so much

643
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 6: respect for the guys in the film, but a lot

644
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 6: of them on our John Doe's or their families don't

645
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 6: want them to go public. But the stories are not breaking,

646
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 6: and there's now they say over two thousand that we

647
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 6: know of survivors and two hundred and seventy one rape victims.

648
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Speaker 6: I think part of the problem is that they're men,

649
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Speaker 6: and a lot of them are athletes, and they're big guys.

650
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Speaker 6: And Mark Holmanan was a WWS fider. It's like, how

651
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Speaker 6: can these guys be a victim of sexual abuse? And

652
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Speaker 6: that's where John Werthheim's article, on which this was sort

653
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 6: of the jumping off point, was so important because it

654
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: wasn't really getting a lot of national media. Colleen a

655
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Speaker 6: journalist who's in the film, Colleen marsha Or who's a

656
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 6: local journalist who has been covering this story relentlessly, but

657
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 6: it wasn't in traction nationally. And then John wrote this

658
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 6: article and it was brilliantly cold, Why aren't more people

659
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: talking about the OSU scandal, and it was in Sports

660
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 6: Illustrated and that's what caught the attention of the producers.

661
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 6: We sort of went from there and it's been really

662
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Speaker 6: interesting a reception to the film because it's been surprised.

663
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Speaker 6: It's very I think it's quite a tough film to watch, obviously,

664
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Speaker 6: and it's had this massive response. I think it's only

665
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 6: been out for just over a week and it was

666
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Speaker 6: number one on Max. It's still in the top ten,

667
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 6: so there's a constant stream on social media of people

668
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 6: talking about it, and it's been really interesting. It's really

669
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 6: touched a nerve with people, and I think, you know,

670
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 6: all of the survivors and myself are getting text message

671
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 6: from strangers just saying thank you, I'm a survivor. You know.

672
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: They're kind of having this moment now, the guys in

673
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 6: the film where they're being treated like in the way

674
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 6: that they should have been treated seven years ago when

675
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 6: they first stepped out and spoke out. And it's been

676
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Speaker 6: really interesting for them because I can see a change

677
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 6: in them and I didn't expect it, and I'm really surprise,

678
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 6: and it's that they needed to be heard and they

679
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: needed to be heard on a big level with respect,

680
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Speaker 6: and if you look, you know, I look at the

681
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 6: social media all the time just to make sure there's

682
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Speaker 6: nothing that's the word not weird.

683
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Speaker 7: They've done slavery happening because I want to be for

684
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Speaker 7: everyone safe, and like ninety nine percent of the comments,

685
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Speaker 7: if not more part I think I've only seen maybe

686
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 7: one negative comment, and I think for the survivors, it's

687
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 7: been this just incredible kind of week and a half.

688
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Speaker 6: And I was so nervous to see the film. They

689
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Speaker 6: trusted me with their lives and I was really nervous

690
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 6: to show them. And they saw it in New York

691
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Speaker 6: about two weeks ago at TRADECA Film Festival. I did

692
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Speaker 6: a private screening with a to b on them the

693
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Speaker 6: day before so they could see it without an audience,

694
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Speaker 6: and it was just me and them and their partners

695
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: in the audience that I was terrified, and it was

696
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: really interesting because afterwards they were just kind of different,

697
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: and it really hit me me that they needed to

698
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: be seen and heard with respect. And I think that's

699
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Speaker 6: the thing that I'm just bled away by and really

700
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Speaker 6: proud of. I don't normally say that about my work,

701
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 6: but I feel like It's made a difference, hopefully to

702
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 6: their lives and to their families, and that's the most

703
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 6: important thing to me. I could imagine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such an important thing. The sheer number of victims.

705
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Speaker 1: When you told me those numbers, I was kind of

706
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Speaker 1: shocked because even Larry Nasser, who was a serial, I mean,

707
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Those numbers are horrific and it's shocking

708
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Speaker 1: to me. And again, like, it is so important that

709
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Speaker 1: we are able to if there ever were a story

710
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Speaker 1: that is worthy of telling, it is this. Do you

711
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Speaker 1: think that there will be more legal accountability now? And

712
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Speaker 1: also does Ohio play a factor in how badly this

713
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Speaker 1: has been handled?

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Speaker 6: Whio the state or Ohio State University?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ohio the state, the sort of legislature around it,

716
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Speaker 1: the judges. So much has to go wrong for something

717
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Speaker 1: like this, for thousands of people, like the sort of

718
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: stuff that happened with the Catholic Church, there has to

719
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: be a sort of system of fuck ups, you know,

720
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Speaker 1: a cascade of fuck ups. So obviously there's the gender

721
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Speaker 1: of the victims. But I just wonder, like, is it

722
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Speaker 1: just a university or was the state legislators, the judges,

723
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Speaker 1: the courts that were they sort of not helpful to them.

724
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Speaker 1: I mean, where else did you see the kind of rod.

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Speaker 6: It's a really good question and tricky to answer that.

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Speaker 6: I can give you one example. There's a judge who's

727
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 6: been handling the case. He initially ruled against them, citing

728
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 6: statute of limitations. That was ultimately overturned and it went

729
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 6: all the way to the Supreme Court and they decided

730
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Speaker 6: not to hear the case. So it's actually gone back

731
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Speaker 6: to trial. But this judge now is the judge in

732
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Speaker 6: charge again. It's a college town, it's a sports crazy town.

733
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Speaker 6: The judge is affiliated with Ohio State. His wife worked

734
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Speaker 6: for them selling paraphernalia. He was thasked to accuse himself.

735
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Speaker 6: He did not, So, yes, there are problems there. Also

736
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Speaker 6: obviously there's also obviously Jim Jordan involved. I don't know

737
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Speaker 6: the details, and there's probably not much more than that

738
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Speaker 6: I can say, but I think if he joined the dogs,

739
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Speaker 6: I think it's a very good comment and I'm hoping

740
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Speaker 6: now that there's going to be a little more mean mentioned.

741
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Speaker 6: But one of the things that happened was, I think

742
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Speaker 6: the day after the film came out, which was like

743
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 6: a week and a half ago, there was a hearing

744
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: in front of the district court judge and he ordered

745
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 6: them intermediation. But Colleen had told me this, Colleen Marshall,

746
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Speaker 6: who's the journal I was covering it. A lot of

747
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 6: the survivors were there. She said that, and she's also

748
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Speaker 6: an attorney, and she said neither side seemed to expect

749
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 6: resolution anytime soon. And one of the other issues that's

750
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 6: been really heartbreaking for the survivors is this hasn't been

751
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 6: going on since twenty eighteen, so we're on seven years.

752
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: And the judge had initially said he wants this to

753
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Speaker 6: be resolved quickly, and it is dragging. I mean, they

754
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 6: don't even have a court data. Now it's looking like maybe,

755
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 6: you know, twenty six, maybe twenty twenty seven. So they're

756
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 6: in this for another they don't know how long. And

757
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Speaker 6: I don't know if I was Ohio State with all

758
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 6: the press's coming out about this and all the talk

759
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 6: about this. They're a very rich university. It's the one

760
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 6: thing I don't understand. They've got a lot of money.

761
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Speaker 6: There can't be more cases. This is all the cases Thereah,

762
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 6: I think there's two hundred and something cases left to

763
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 6: be settled, just offer them big settlements, pay them out,

764
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 6: and this will go away. And if they'd done that,

765
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 6: there wouldn't be the article, there wouldn't be the documentary,

766
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 6: there wouldn't be all this talk about it. I don't

767
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 6: understand why they don't want to compensate them for what

768
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 6: they know how it happened. They've admitted it, they've apologized,

769
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 6: but now they're fighting them. And I don't understand why

770
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 6: a wealthy school just wouldn't do what other wealthy schools do,

771
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 6: and is pay them out so that they feel respected

772
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 6: and resolved in the pay will never go away. These

773
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 6: men were sexually abused or rage, but just pay them

774
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Speaker 6: out And don't understand logic behind.

775
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Speaker 1: This, agreed. I just was so happy when you just

776
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: said this thing about how they have to do right

777
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: by these victims because it's so important. I have one

778
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Speaker 1: last question for you, which is like kind of a

779
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: stupid question, but I think is actually really important. One

780
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Speaker 1: of the producers of this movie is George Clooney. I

781
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: know how Hollywood works, and I know how hard it

782
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Speaker 1: is to get things made. It strikes me that George

783
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Clooney quietly lends his name and makes things happen that

784
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: are for the good. I just was wondering your thoughts

785
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Speaker 1: on that.

786
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I look, it's always hard to get films financed.

787
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 6: There's a little second film in for years with HBO,

788
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 6: and they've both gone to number one, which is really

789
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: rare for documentaries. So firstly, working with HBO is amazing

790
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 6: because they still make films like this, and I think

791
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 6: that's worth noting. You know, it's just it's incredible. But

792
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 6: I think also documentary is sort of Hollywood life, you know,

793
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 6: Hollywood issue or Hollywood ajacent. It's exactly very Hollywood, but

794
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 6: sometimes it's very Hollywood and in the life is so

795
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 6: many people watch documentaries. I mean the fact that this

796
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 6: was number one ahead of the Hunger Games movies on

797
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 6: HBO mats is extraordinary. I think that when we calling

798
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 6: them celebrities, but you know, he is a celebrity. He's

799
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Speaker 6: got a huge name and a lot of clout, and

800
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Speaker 6: I think when they put their name on something, it

801
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 6: can really help with funding, it can help with an audience,

802
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 6: and I think that's a great thing. I think that's

803
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 6: a really good thing.

804
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just strikes me as he is

805
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: a very singular talent and also of singular fame and

806
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: the fact that I just see him doing a lot

807
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: of good stuff in the world in ways that are

808
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: not a straight line necessarily. Thank you, thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. I hope you will come back.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Samuch driving me. I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 3: No time, Rick Welson, Well we've gone fast.

812
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Speaker 1: It is that time.

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Speaker 3: It is that time that America has craved for four

814
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Speaker 3: long weeks.

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Speaker 1: And hence the time. Have we really been on vacation

816
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: for four weeks? No, it's been in like two weeks,

817
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: but it felt like five.

818
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Speaker 3: It seems longer.

819
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Speaker 1: It seems like.

820
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Speaker 3: Longer because I missed you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me what is it?

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Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery is in the Great State of Texas,

823
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: there is one person who has been responsible for depriving

824
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: more women of their civil rights, of their right to

825
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: personal integrity, of their right to autonomy, and of their

826
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Speaker 3: right to privacy than Ken Paxton. kN Paxon is a corrupt, vicious,

827
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Speaker 3: revolting criminal. He is also Texas's Attorney general right now,

828
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Speaker 3: who is trying to primary John Cornyn for US Senate.

829
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Speaker 3: This week, it was revealed that his wife of thirty

830
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Speaker 3: two years was divorcing him for biblical reasons.

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Speaker 2: Eg.

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Speaker 3: Ken Paxton would fuck anything that slows down, including lawn furniture.

833
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: That guy has the audacity to come out and say

834
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Speaker 3: write the classic like pr person tweet about their divorce

835
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Speaker 3: where he says, we asked for privacy in this time. Yeah, yeah, no, Ken,

836
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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get any privacy, buddy, nobody's giving you

837
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Speaker 3: a liqu of privacy.

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Speaker 1: Their pal so Angela Paxton actually is a member of

839
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Speaker 1: the Texas Senate, Yes, state Senate. So there was a

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Speaker 1: comms person from the Republican whatever of Texas who is

841
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Speaker 1: like who said something to the effect of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what you did right? I think is a

843
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: really good point. Like these these this crew tends not

844
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: to break rank. They are very disciplined on message. And

845
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: for them to be getting on this Angela Paxton train,

846
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: when Ken has had a lot of success bullying people

847
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: into doing what he wants, I think is pretty meaningful.

848
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Speaker 3: A tremendous amount of power. And look, because he's funded

849
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: by Wilkes and a couple of these other oil bearing

850
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: types from out in West Texas with millions and millions

851
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Speaker 3: of dollars, he ran into a hard wall this week Interestingly,

852
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: there's another Republican now young African American guy from the

853
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Speaker 3: Dallas area who's weirdly placed a statewide media buy on TV.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to get in the primary because

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Speaker 3: I think packs and may have a you know, Pats

856
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: only raised two million this quarter, which for Texas is

857
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Speaker 3: like couch change, right, be fun to watch? Yeah it?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune

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