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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another superfluous edition of uh do

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Speaker 1: Luke and Brian get fired by twenty four hours upon release?

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Speaker 2: Jersey City Diaries? Is that what we call it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? We are in a Jersey City hotel, which, as

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Speaker 1: you can see, has all the amenities.

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Speaker 2: Red Shoe Diaries one point zero coming at you. Also

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Speaker 2: a great showtime show. By the way, how.

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Speaker 1: Many times have you gotten bed bugs from being on

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Speaker 1: the road?

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Speaker 2: You know? I never have, at least not knowledgeable.

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Speaker 1: You've definitely had bed bugs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you know if you have bedbugs?

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Speaker 1: Do you have? You waken up with like a constellation

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Speaker 1: of bites around your ankles that are like down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind its close to being like an ant bite, but

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Speaker 1: not necessarily.

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Speaker 2: I try to talk myself into thinking that maybe I

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Speaker 2: we'd whack too aggressively at home, and it's just late.

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Speaker 2: It's late growing poison. I've hear something. Not this dirty

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Speaker 2: hotel's fault. Look, do you know why this shirt came

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Speaker 2: in so clutch right now?

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Speaker 1: Because it's clean?

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Speaker 2: No, it's actually it's not. But because I had tie

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Speaker 2: for dinner and I spilled you know, of course I

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Speaker 2: like ate it while laying on the bed with my

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Speaker 2: head on the pillow like just the worst, right, like

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Speaker 2: the worst possible, you know version of myself and I

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Speaker 2: spilled all over, but the viewers can't tell. They could

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Speaker 2: spend the rest of this episode trying to decode what

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Speaker 2: is Tai die and what is Thai food? And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I kind of backed myself into a corner with their

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Speaker 2: order anything pad thaie with chicken and two Thai iced teas,

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Speaker 2: which are incredible. You get done with that?

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Speaker 1: It was like, uh, I don't do the iced teas

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Speaker 1: all right?

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Speaker 2: They could change your life. A lot of sugar in

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Speaker 2: them and cream according to my wife, but they could

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Speaker 2: change your life.

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Speaker 1: Do you like bubble tea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it's skimmicky, but I enjoy.

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Speaker 1: It like like my daughter love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think they had that ship when we

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Speaker 2: were smaller, at least not in Gringo places. No, I

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Speaker 2: don't rememberait is gringo only identifi fiable with the Latin Hispanic?

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Speaker 2: Or if I'm talking about the Chinese or the Koreans,

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Speaker 2: am I a gringo in their eyes?

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Speaker 1: So wait to the I don't understand where are you traveling?

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Speaker 2: Like if I'm trying to pronounce a Spanish name, I

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Speaker 2: would be like, well, here's my Gringo version. But does

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Speaker 2: it go beyond Spanish or is that Spanish only?

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Speaker 1: Are you asking? Can Americans be foreigners in places where

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Speaker 1: they people don't speak Spanish yet?

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Speaker 2: Is there any other country or culture that they use

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Speaker 2: a term like green?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think the Brazilians do. The Brazilians do, and

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Speaker 1: then the Portuguese I think do as well, So anything

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Speaker 1: from the Iberian peninsula, and then they're colonial.

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Speaker 2: You ever want to go on vacation to like a

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Speaker 2: real bullshit country and just figure out what's going on

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Speaker 2: and they're like, Andra.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I never told you about this, Like and Dora is.

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Speaker 2: The It's that place in the mountains between Spain and France.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the principality I think. I don't know itally,

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Speaker 1: don't think it's principality, but.

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Speaker 2: It's a real country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, you got me off track. The first

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Speaker 1: time I tried to go to Lebanon, I just just

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Speaker 1: did the absolute asshole thing where I didn't properly check

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Speaker 1: what I needed to do to get there. I thought

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Speaker 1: will up in my face because no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't. Necessarily you have to get a visa to go.

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Speaker 1: And I thought it would be one of the situations

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Speaker 1: where you like, so, for example, when you go to Turkey.

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Speaker 1: This is when I went, I don't know what it

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Speaker 1: is anymore. We landed, like you need a visa. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck am I going to do? Now? You

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Speaker 1: just go buy them at the kiosk, Like it's literally

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Speaker 1: You just can't believe they just spit out a visa.

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Speaker 1: You're like, wow, okay. So I thought it'd be like

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Speaker 1: So we get to the airport and they're like, there's

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Speaker 1: no direct flights to Bay Route obviously after the Marine

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Speaker 1: my wife was like, I was like, what the fuck

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Speaker 1: are we gonna do now? All the hotel reservations everything, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck are we gonna do? Dude?

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Speaker 1: My wife is a corporate event planner. She's like, I'll

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Speaker 1: take care of this, dude. We had hotel, car service

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Speaker 1: in Paris. In Paris, all done, everything set up by

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Speaker 1: an itinerary plan I couldn't. I was like, she got

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Speaker 1: bitter at me because we didn't plan the wedding. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't plan the wedding, and I'm like, what the

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Speaker 1: fuck do you the fuck you want me to do? Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm only going to get in the way, which is

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Speaker 1: me being lazy. I'm admitting that, Like I am definitely

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Speaker 1: using that as an excuse, but it's also fucking true.

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Speaker 2: Do you mark your territory around the house Dutch Oven

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Speaker 2: style to let her know of your male dominance?

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Speaker 1: No? But I do like going to places where.

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Speaker 2: People do that.

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Speaker 1: No, where I can just peel on the seat of

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Speaker 1: Jesus yea or am I?

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Speaker 2: Hey you know what we did today?

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Speaker 1: Uh? We didn't have sex.

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Speaker 2: This is still our viewers dream, right. We hosted day

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Speaker 2: one of this two day Spence Crawford tour. They they

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Speaker 2: were in La we were in Jersey City, tomorrow will

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Speaker 2: be in Times Square with them. But you know, that

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Speaker 2: ship got me really excited about the fight. Like I

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Speaker 2: obviously was already really excited about the fight, but like

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Speaker 2: the pure fan in me was like, Yo, this fight's

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Speaker 2: going to be awesome. Forget. I don't even care like

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Speaker 2: how popular it is or how far acrosses over just

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Speaker 2: the night. That the only thing that matters these two

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Speaker 2: in the ring, Hey towy right, that it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: This's gonna be bang.

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Speaker 1: How excited are you about going?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not that's not a nice thing to

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Speaker 2: bring up. It's not a nice gesture. No, my wife

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Speaker 2: travels one weekly year for work, so I certainly have

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Speaker 2: won't be going, but i'll be I'll be working from home, Luke,

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Speaker 2: So you better carry the water, Okay, carry the ball

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Speaker 2: there in Las Vegas and Sin City. Who do you

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Speaker 2: think they'll match you up with? I hope someone ridiculous

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Speaker 2: like you and six Takashi six ' nine breaking down

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Speaker 2: the fight sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see him get his ass beat in

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Speaker 1: La Fitness?

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Speaker 2: I did not see that you didn't see this.

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Speaker 1: No, this is not long due. This was like a month.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't follow his bullshit. No I'm not either.

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Speaker 1: But the dude like hardcore snitched right.

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Speaker 2: Against Well that's the thing, right.

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Speaker 1: So he does all of this and you think, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, like the amount of people he sold out

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Speaker 1: to get out, surely it's oh, it's curtains for him.

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's.

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Speaker 2: Such an old guy phrase. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Trying to find. No, I keep smelling water because I'm

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Speaker 2: a you know, I'm a mess to the human race.

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Speaker 2: I can't find the paper towel I had reserved.

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Speaker 1: I wasna say was. The dude then gets out of

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Speaker 1: through the streets of New York other cities la blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah touring and then bragging about how you know

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Speaker 1: here I am come get me over and over again

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Speaker 1: and so finally like that that didn't result in anything.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get shot or whatever. He eventually ends up

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Speaker 1: in the La Fitness. I'm not sure what city it was,

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Speaker 1: everywhere for people who are watching him from some other plays,

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Speaker 1: and these three guys beat the fuck out of him

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Speaker 1: in this video of it, because.

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Speaker 2: It's sadder than Dylan Danis getting choked out by that

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Speaker 1: It's a little more. No one was drunk here, so

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Speaker 1: it's a little less sad than that. But the weird

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Speaker 1: part about it was from my if, like, if I

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Speaker 1: read the story right, the guys who beat him up

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Speaker 2: You know, some some celebrities are their targets for shenanigans,

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Speaker 2: but they bring it on themselves. Look you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Then, like Charlemagne the God get jumped in

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Speaker 2: public like people like him. People don't jump on Skip Bayless, though,

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Speaker 2: do they do? They just look at that as just comedy.

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Speaker 1: Then, I mean, you are beating up on an old

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Speaker 1: man at that point. Also, that is amazing. How has nobody,

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Speaker 1: How has no one gotten out the cell phone camera

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Speaker 2: Dig Maybe he goes like directly from studio to hotel

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Speaker 2: or back home, and like that's it, Like doesn't you

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Speaker 2: know the more famous you get, the less you like

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Speaker 2: stroll around publicly and like you're not walking around the

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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Reason not to.

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Speaker 1: He seems to lay low. You never see like skip

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Speaker 1: Baylos was spotted blah blah blah. Meanwhile, my friend who

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Speaker 2: I'm like, say, yeah, Rick Flair.

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Speaker 1: You know what I noticed going back and watching tape recently,

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Speaker 1: Rick Flair. No, I'm not sure if all of these

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Speaker 1: were pre pandemic. Some of them were, some of them

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Speaker 1: were during the pandemic. But everyone was complaining about the

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Speaker 1: APEX shows. And then I go back and I watch

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Speaker 1: tape and I don't know what event it was, I

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Speaker 1: can't remember, and the wooing out of control, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, God blessed the Apex. God

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Speaker 1: bless the silence. The You know what the Apex says,

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Speaker 1: The Apex is the client car of sporting venues like Atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, everyone liked that they had that mini celebrity

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Speaker 2: section when they first started letting people come.

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Speaker 1: Back into face machine gun Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like Paul Anka eighty six years

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Speaker 2: old sitting there. You're like, like really like old Kroner.

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Speaker 1: Is coming, which honestly, it sounds like a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I don't get about the APEX, Like everyone

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Speaker 1: complains about what it is, which is like this warehouse vibe,

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Speaker 1: and I get that. I do get that, but like,

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Speaker 1: if you're the UFC, surely you must hear some of

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Speaker 1: television world and you know, media rights and all that

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00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Knew how to play that game, but

437
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: also had a bit of an edge to them, and

438
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 1: like you know, and and everything had felt so buttoned

439
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 1: up at the time where everyone was doing corporate speaking.

440
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 1: Here comes Dan and this that I like this, I

441
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,920
Speaker 1: like that, and they really responded to that, they really

442
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 1: liked it. So when that crisis hit, first of all,

443
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 1: I think all all together there was a bit more

444
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: of an apologetic tone, relatively speaking. I mean, this time

445
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: there was just absolutely nothing that they well, I mean

446
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 1: that's not true, but so it was. He had to

447
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 1: bend the knee a little bit more at that time.

448
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 1: And then the media cover for him at the time

449
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: was that, hey, he made a mistake, and you know,

450
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 1: he's owning up to it. And again I'm not even

451
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 1: then I didn't think he should lose his job, But

452
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 1: I remember that day vividly, vividly, the question is would

453
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 1: they do that now? I don't know if they would

454
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 1: do that now as much.

455
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean even he's way smarter now and adjusted to

456
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 2: times to not let that happen, like he couldn't just.

457
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, here's the thing. Did we grew up

458
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 1: in the nineties, Like I'm not going to sit here

459
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,919
Speaker 1: pretent I haven't said that word a good Jillian times,

460
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 1: because of course I have, So you know, I was like,

461
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, when that happened, I was like, dude, we're

462
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: long past the point where that's acceptable obviously, but like

463
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: it's a little hard to pick up a big ass rock,

464
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, and be like pay the penalty, you know

465
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 1: what about me? So there's that anyway.

466
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: You know. We also interviewed you Ell Ramero today.

467
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, dude.

468
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 2: I cannot get enough of him. Like he's just one

469
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 2: of those athletes that like he's such a equally he's

470
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 2: a ridiculous character and like this inspiration badass, Like he's

471
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 2: so many things at once, like humble, hardworking, but also

472
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 2: like a cheat. He had some cheating moments and like

473
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: he always kind of like on the edge. It's just

474
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 2: the same. But I don't know, that was a fun interview,

475
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 2: like to just really hear him at length with the interpreter,

476
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: just like hear a bit of his soul, you know

477
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yeah, I don't know. Do you

478
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: do you love him like I do?

479
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. BC starts out the interview by telling him he

480
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: loves him.

481
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: From the heart, you know what I mean? He knows

482
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: I love have had moments before him and that you

483
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean, we kind of made out in

484
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: a sense like in the in a sense like in

485
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 2: terms of like you know, one love brotherhood.

486
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you guys had you definitely goggled his balls.

487
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 2: I can say that. I mean, like, dude, could he

488
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 2: really win the ball to have a championship?

489
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna go out what tomorrow? So

490
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: before the fight, I mean, never say never, but I

491
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: feel like Nemkov would have to fuck up like that.

492
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: Okay is in a higher division, and he did say

493
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: not cutting down anymore is like so much better for him.

494
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 2: Does he still have the explosiveness to have a moment

495
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: like like the moments he produced against rock Hold wide

496
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 2: been like all these dudes, you know, like he just.

497
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, like I didn't go back and

498
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: rewatch the fight, but like when Katre hung it up.

499
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: I was at that event, but it's been so long.

500
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: This was the one in Canada where GSP fought Jake Shield. Yeah,

501
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: so Kator was basically the same age. It was forty

502
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: seven at that time, and I remember, like, what was

503
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: the difference between that Kator and one just a few

504
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: years before? That? Chin Chin is the answer there. He

505
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: just became much less durable, almost instantly.

506
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Brock punched the shit out of.

507
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: Him with that look. He took a world of damage

508
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: in all of his career. But what I'm saying is

509
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: like year to year, you didn't notice much difference, and

510
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there was a big one.

511
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: I wonder.

512
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I've said versions of this before, but tell me,

513
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: am I being two over the top fanboy romanticism here, Like,

514
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: because Randy Gator is not in the good graces of

515
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: the USC and he's doing PFL work, Like obviously his

516
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: legend doesn't get told like it should through UFC's lens

517
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: or mouth or voice. That's why didn't didn't PFL produce

518
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: a documentary on him? That's an ESPN plus I think

519
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: they might have. But the whole point is, like I

520
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: feel like this younger generation of fans that are coming

521
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: in should be like, given the DVDs and or you know,

522
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: go watch the Randy Gator run, like you got to

523
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: like American hero, Like he could be that enduring badass

524
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: over multiple generations of MMA and you see fandom. Yet

525
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: he doesn't have that Chuck Liddell feeling. You know what

526
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like Chuck's kind of I mean, Chuck's Chuck's

527
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: doing the mohawk with the big gut. I'm sorry, Chuck,

528
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: like someone's got to go here. But like you know

529
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: what I mean, but like it's still Chuck ladel Yo,

530
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Why don't Is it just

531
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: because the UFC doesn't doesn't sing his legend? Is that

532
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: the only reason why? Like, dude, he's awesome. The legend

533
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: of Chuck Liddell is awesome, man, you know what I mean,

534
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: Like even you don't have that respect like Chuck. Yeah,

535
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: like on that Captain America level of like fucking Chuck man,

536
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: he can like he can do anything, dude.

537
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: The difference, the difference was served in the army. That

538
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: was the difference.

539
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: Oh it's because you're a marine. You can't give him

540
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: that full respect but just give it to him, you

541
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I give him No, I want

542
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: you to give.

543
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: Him some flund Do you remember that? No? But to

544
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: answer your question, Kature, you know it's all marketing and bullshit,

545
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: but he had he was like a precursor to Brian

546
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: Stan who was like all in on that identity, and

547
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: he was a way better fighter in terms of like

548
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: elite levels at their tour. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, by

549
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: by country mile, I mean he won a title in

550
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: two different weight classes. So yeah, for sure, he's one

551
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: of seventeen double champions in mm A history, well among

552
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: the major organizations.

553
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: But do you put David Branch in there?

554
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: You do? Because there were world terms of fighting. It

555
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: was like heavyweight that actually got him back into the UFC,

556
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: I believe right, memory serves uh, and then that that

557
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: went so so when he got back. But but do

558
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: you remember that Chuck Ladell cameo he did where he

559
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: was like, dear Dylan.

560
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: Your friend Steve says, I'm so glad you've come out

561
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: of the closet. Enjoy your life as a homosexual. I

562
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: was like, this is a little bland, Chuck. I think

563
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: I got you by.

564
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: A guy's the most like the most ordinary names like

565
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: Steven Rick.

566
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: It's like Rick says, congratulations on being a homosexon.

567
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: You know, cameo, look at something. It's something.

568
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: You know how many how many people have sent you

569
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: pictures of their wang No, they don't do they don't

570
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: do that.

571
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: They send a request and that I provide the wan shot.

572
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: That's how the transaction works.

573
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's great, dude. You know what I

574
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: didn't know? Uh, who's the Let me ask you a question,

575
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: who's the most batshit insane? Maybe in a good way,

576
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: maybe in a bad way? Person on wrestling Twitter? Who's

577
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: like the fucking of.

578
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Active people are like legends.

579
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: I guess active, like who is just fucking out there?

580
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't follow that closely anymore. And I mean when

581
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: they're ww superstars, they're not necessarily allowed to like carry

582
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: on these like like real life personas.

583
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, So who's like out of the business,

584
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: who's like super ridiculously insane.

585
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them. I can't give you like

586
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: one that just sums it up, but there's there's a

587
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: good amount of them, all right, So you know, I saw.

588
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: It one today. I cannot remember his name boy, this

589
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: gentleman was animated, animated.

590
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm so far moved from that I can't

591
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: even find like the go to reach of of who

592
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: that should be anymore. But you know, I did have

593
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: a good run look back in person. I didn't think

594
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: I'd ever stumble back into it, you know, and it happened,

595
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: and now I'm glad it's over. But it was something,

596
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, It's a it was a love affair that

597
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: I don't regret. Okay, Luke, like that Cheryl Crow song

598
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: my greatest mistake, you know.

599
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, dude, you've been talking about Cheryl Crow non

600
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: stop today.

601
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, earlier today. Luke's like, you know, I under

602
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: no circumstances at all when I sleep with Cheryl Crow,

603
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: and by lance I'm stronger. You get this whole bit

604
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: about like wristbands in like in you know, uh.

605
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: BC just asked me what I banged Cheryl Crow, because

606
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: that's what he asked me on in workplace.

607
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: I had an EPO punchline. I just couldn't deliver it.

608
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I could have been. I was trying to think that through,

609
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's not really my type. You know,

610
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: my type.

611
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: Have you seen our concert.

612
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: No, I don't think. So what was your first concert

613
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: that you like? And when I'm a first concert, I

614
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: mean like what your parents took it to, unless they

615
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: took you to an awesome one. What was like your

616
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: first consent? It where you picked and you went okay.

617
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: So my first real concert was a free Fourth of

618
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: July concert with blood, sweat and tears. But I wasn't

619
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: like into the music.

620
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: And then't mean that. I mean like everything was like okay.

621
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: Then I got dragged but by my dad and some

622
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: relatives to a Do you remember this band called White Trash.

623
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: They had a one hit wonder skyhad no they were

624
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 2: on par with Ugly Kid Joe. But they had a

625
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: song called apple Pie, not cherry Pie. No, that's war dude,

626
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: this is you. It sounds like I have never heard

627
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: of that, but if you put on the song, you'd

628
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I kind of remember that. I went

629
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: to a concert with them, and it was actually pretty

630
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: awesome until the band started like opening up cans of beer,

631
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: taking two drinks and then like firing out to the

632
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: crowd and there was like cans flying everywhere. My dad

633
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: was like, we gotta go right now, So I'd say,

634
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: the first concert that I actively pushed to go to.

635
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: Now that you'll probably make fun of me, but at

636
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: that point that was like freshman year high school. I

637
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: was real into like sixties oldies, you know what I'm saying,

638
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: Like like you know, all the all the big hits

639
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: of like sixty three, sixty four or sixty five sixty six,

640
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: like the all the names, all of them. I went out.

641
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, we got to go to this

642
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: oldie show. It's gonna be awesome at the Civic Center.

643
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: Tommy James and the Seandell's Junior Walker and the All Stars,

644
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: Lou Christy, Leslie Gore like all these like you know,

645
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: the kind of music that beyond at your dentist office, Louke. Okay,

646
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: but I have to say the concert was awesome except

647
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: for the overabundance of middle aged people dancing in the aisles.

648
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: It was almost Jimmy Buffet like. It was really like

649
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: pushing it where I was just like, I don't know

650
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: if I want to be here anymore, you know.

651
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I saw it wasn't it wasn't my first concert, but

652
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Speaker 1: I saw a drive by truckers who they opened for.

653
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Speaker 2: It was it the Charlie Daniels.

654
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: No, was it the Doobie Brothers who.

655
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: Made pretty badass.

656
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: Actually I left after drive by Truckers. I was like,

657
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Speaker 1: who's the Who's the group that like their mushrooms are

658
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: their symbol the bud.

659
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: You skipped out on the Almond Brothers, I did. That's

660
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: o'tel that he was in the band.

661
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I like and actually did it

662
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: and Dan I like the Almand Brothers. But I was

663
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: just I was out of there. It was it was

664
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Speaker 1: in Virginia Beach.

665
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: I was, I bet you that was what year?

666
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: What year was that a while ago? Like oh two,

667
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like oh six maybe something like that.

668
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Because I saw the drive by Truckers for the first

669
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: time in O two Central Park. They said that summer

670
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: concercaras for free, and it was drive by Truckers opening

671
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 2: up for Charlie Daniels. It was badass, dude, that's pretty good.

672
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm not a big Charlie Daniels guy. But when he

673
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: gets when he goes does the Devil goes down to Georgia,

674
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: that's honestly, dude. He breaks the ship out of the

675
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: bow on the on the fiddle and goes nuts.

676
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Speaker 1: Dude, I watch just about anything on a stage if

677
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: the person on the stage is a is a real showman.

678
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Or cabaret theater as well.

679
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, you're starting to get you know. I'm

680
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: not trying to go into wine mom territory. I'm just

681
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: saying the stuff that I'll sit through that I ordinarily wouldn't.

682
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: It's almost just ordinarily playing it without much more than

683
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: just the mechanical act of playing it. But like, if

684
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: someone's really putting on a show, you'd be surprised what

685
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: you watch, you know, or what kind of stuff you'll

686
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: at least give a shot.

687
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: I think you'd be surprised, you know. Uh, I think

688
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: I think you'd fuck you up? Yeah, yeah, dude, you

689
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: just can't stop. I know, you know, you just opened

690
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: the door.

691
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: You know. It's like you're like a stump the schwab.

692
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Like if someone just gives you this input you have

693
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: to you know, you're you're the You're the Brendan Shob

694
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: rain man.

695
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: It's really more about the art of comedy than Brendan Schobb.

696
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true. It's pretty singular about

697
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: it for us artists.

698
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: It's more of a how.

699
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Bitter were people that you didn't land on the wheel

700
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: when I had that written. How bitter were they?

701
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I got enough cats in my house,

702
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't need to keep

703
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: you What movies.

704
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Did I see?

705
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: Dude?

706
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: I saw a documentary recently that was you know.

707
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you what movies you saw? That was

708
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: a nice pivot, but I didn't, I know, but you

709
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: set it up like, oh, BC, you were asking me

710
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: about this.

711
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I was like, it was, I guess you were it.

712
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

713
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, I'm just gonna tell you, bitch, because that's what

714
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: I do. I know. I saw a chimp Empire on Netflix.

715
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: Have you seen that, dude? It's heard of it. It's

716
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: this documentary crew that spent months and months, months and

717
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: months in this dense jungle in this and Go Go forest,

718
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: and I think memory serves Uganda, and it's the place

719
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: where basically it's like the densest chimp population anywhere in

720
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: the world, Okay, And it's like the most amazing footage

721
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and the most amazing sound and incredible narration. Now, obviously

722
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: they're telling a story, so you wonder to what extent,

723
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: like there's actual fealty to the truth but I'm told

724
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that the broad strokes of it are very much true.

725
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: And does this end with the journalists getting eaten by

726
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

727
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: But there is some death. There is some death. Uh,

728
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, chimp life is brutal, Bro, What do

729
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: you think.

730
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: It's more dangerous in terms of risking your life being

731
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: a solo free climber or studying chimps in like that

732
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: role that Sigourney Weaver played in that movie.

733
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what the math on that is. I'm

734
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: gonna bet it's more dangerous to be with the chimps. Bro.

735
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: They'll rip your balls and face off in like instantly, right, yeah, yeah,

736
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: and they're strong as fuck too.

737
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: Yo. You know what I used to be real into

738
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: in elementary school, and now I look back on it

739
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: with horror.

740
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Feciality.

741
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: No videos of animals like in the African jungle, like

742
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: like fighting, like star down, you know what I mean, Like, well,

743
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: how would this animal do against this one? Then you

744
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: look at and there's like video of it. You know

745
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: what I've noticed, like faces of death for kids.

746
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: You know it's good, it is, but like here's the

747
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: thing I've noticed. I can watch certain forms of death,

748
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: like when a cat like one, for example, when a

749
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: jaguar gets like a croc. Okay, I'm not into it,

750
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: but I can tolerate it. But like when a snake

751
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: gets like a horse, I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm like,

752
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: I can't. There's certain forms of animal death that I

753
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: can tolerate in other worlds.

754
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: I mean more, you know, inevitably we're gonna end up

755
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: at a cock fighting match if we keep you know,

756
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: if you keep entertaining.

757
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: That dude, my my in laws. When Panama took me

758
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: to have like the big thing in life down there,

759
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: as I understand it is, everyone's got like when they

760
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: live in the city, they all have like it's like

761
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: here too, but it's much more pronounced. Everyone's got like

762
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: a country getaway, right, It's a real big thing, is

763
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: going to the countryside on the weekends and stuff like that.

764
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: And uh, he took it to the countryside house, which

765
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: was lovely. I mean it had two pools, like what

766
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: is not to like about it? But on the way

767
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: he had to pass out like a fully functional operating

768
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: cockfighting ring. And I was like, dude, like with the

769
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: imagery like painted and like you can see the Amphitheater

770
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: and like they weren't having a cock fight when we

771
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: drove by, but like they were just closed for the day.

772
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: Wait do you it's like, as you know, it's abhorrent

773
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: to me, right, Like I'm just like, oh god, but

774
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: do you have any sympathy for people who like grow

775
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: up like as that's like a legitimate part of their

776
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: culture where they come from. So it's they it's hard

777
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: for them to look at it as anything but that,

778
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: even though I'm still like, that's ridiculous.

779
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: But I mean here's the thing, Like, you know, in

780
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: the poorer you go to these some of these places,

781
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: it's not just these things are not always directly correlated.

782
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: But my experience in life has been that when you

783
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: go to some of these poorer places and they're still

784
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: using animals as like tools in society for transportation, for farming,

785
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: and again some of that it is still done even

786
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: in the most advanced ones, but I mean like much

787
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: or rugged difficult methods like you'll see they had to

788
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: like in my lifetime, in our lifetime, they banned use

789
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: of horses or transportation in Bogota, and so they had

790
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: to pay farmers like that was their only means of

791
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: using these fucking things. They had to pay them to

792
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: attenders like to like this humane farm and like give

793
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: them money so they could buy like something to replace

794
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: that with. What I'm trying to make is when you

795
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: see people who come from like circumstances like that, like dude,

796
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: when the people are when life is that rough and

797
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: the value of human life is so low, the animals

798
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: don't have a fucking prayer. Like they don't have a

799
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: fucking prayer. So here's my answer. No, I mean I

800
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: still believe in animal ethics, and I think it applies

801
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: more consistently even no matter what. I'm not one of

802
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: these like cultural relativists that like, no, harming women and

803
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: throwing acid in their face in other countries is great. No,

804
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: it's fucking bad, and so animal abuse is bad.

805
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: But can you be reformed from that?

806
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Sure of course you can.

807
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Michael Vick.

808
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I think he's drowning dogs, is he?

809
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: No?

810
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, by people were bitter about that.

811
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: I remember he had the inspirational comeback here with.

812
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: The he was like the best playing for Yeah, it

813
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: was shocking. Yeah, but people were mad as ship about that?

814
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: What is the statue of limitations on the court of

815
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: public opinion on that?

816
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean he went to fucking jail. What do you

817
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: want him to do?

818
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

819
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean you know you could see it both ways though.

820
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: Would you be like, Hey, my dog is barking outside,

821
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm not home. You just go let him in, would you?

822
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: No?

823
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you trust him.

824
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Why is coach Sandusky in the living? Remember there's no

825
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: more recruiting visits at all, you know, it's just just

826
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: stay away.

827
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: I told you I saw John Wick four.

828
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see any of them. Luke, I think

829
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: I've failed in not seeing any of the taking movies

830
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: with Liam Neeson. Are they good?

831
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I think I've seen one of them. How many are there?

832
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more than you realize, is it?

833
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: Like to Cam and Furious franchise Ernest Goes slam dwn

834
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: Gurness was decent? It was? It was.

835
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an old man reference. Like, yeah, God, would you.

836
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: Believe that I had more than a few copies, I'm

837
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: more than a few volumes in the series on DVD,

838
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: like like when I was in like middle school, like

839
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: absolutely know, Oh my god, dude. Yeah, well I think

840
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: it was still VHS when I was in middle school.

841
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: What a horrible thing. VHS was, right.

842
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, except you know what, you know what, my dad

843
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: was too clever beta man. Yeah, it's like what the

844
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: and he kept saying bigger and he was like, this

845
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: is what the rest of the world uses, which was true.

846
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Dad, he's like the kind of guy

847
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: who had parties, Like, will not call soccer soccer? He's like,

848
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: it's football. I'm like, dude, you're from Cleveland, just fucking.

849
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Call it more gigantic than you.

850
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, if you think I'm bad.

851
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Like I would love to interview, but you're never gonna

852
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: let me. Why won't you let me? It could be

853
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: it could be part therapy interviews both.

854
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: You've never gone to a museum until you've gone with

855
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: my dad. Who will when I say, stop and fucking

856
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: read every single exhibits description piece by motherfucking peace and

857
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: like say, in fact check it in real time, Like

858
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: you just cannot imagine the level of detail. Every time

859
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: we go to a museum. I'm like, holy fuck, it's

860
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: like it's ok. A UFC on Fox cards starting.

861
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: That prepared you to watch tape of MMA fights forty

862
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: nine times to find the secret inside of it. You

863
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: know what I meantimes, Yeah, sometimes, yeah, Luke. You know what,

864
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: we never talk about pornography, no UFC fights in the

865
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: past that we like really love, Like we always talk

866
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: about the big ones, but like you never talk about

867
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: the in between ones that you're like, you know, I

868
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: love that fight, dude.

869
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: My memory is just like there's so many fights we

870
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: have to I mean, I think about some of the

871
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: ones I had the most fun end we'll talked about

872
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: from before brock Listners thing Carwin.

873
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: Yes, there's still so my fair pay per views still

874
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: do that. That was like something that was just different

875
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: that leasond Run was different, man, you know what I mean,

876
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: Like that it was almost felt like almost like you're

877
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: watching a movie. It was so kind of like bizarre

878
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: that he could be that good just transferring.

879
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Over Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I had skepticism because

880
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people at that time where like

881
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: what people don't realize is some of like the artist.

882
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I guess people do realize this, but it's worth reminding

883
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: them that. Like right around this time, so through what

884
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: was Brockwezer like eight to nine. Up through that time,

885
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: there was a lot of really basic but noteworthy experimentation

886
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: boxers versus kickboxers, And I'd been well passed UFC, like

887
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: in Japan under boxing rules or kickboxing rules whatever, and

888
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: sort of seeing what would happen, and you just saw

889
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: like a lot of crossover completely failed. Now obviously we

890
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: have better ways of judging these kinds of things. So like,

891
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: even though Listener was huge as shit and you knew

892
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: he wrestled collegiately, you'd be like, Okay, he's good, but

893
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: like you know, surely he's just fall apart. You know

894
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: what's heath hairing stuff. A couple of takedowns.

895
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: Nope, dude, nope No. Remember when did an extra roll

896
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: over after getting knocked down and Brock went full on

897
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: running shoulder tackle and then that's the greatest moment of

898
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: all time. Like that was such an InCred That.

899
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Wasn't skill per se, but that was like I had

900
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: not seen athleticism.

901
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: He turned into a bowl. He literally came in like

902
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: shoulder first, just like goring him. Like they like, there's

903
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: a reason why those runs are magical. And by those runs,

904
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: I mean Lesner, Rowsey McGregor right, and you can. I

905
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: mean at times Anderson Silva had had that type of

906
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: feeling too, and forget in John Jones two, but like

907
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: it seems, it's it's next level feeling for lesnar Rowsey

908
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: McGregor all for obvious reasons. It's it's so captivating, and

909
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: that's why it brings in so many casual fans, because

910
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: it's like you need to have that much doubt or

911
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: hate for the athlete as they're doing remarkable, ridiculous things

912
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: and they're beloved, but you need those haters too because

913
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: then everybody comes out.

914
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: Of course, he lost a free and I was like,

915
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: oh right.

916
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now that's who he is.

917
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: And then Heath Haring hadn't. Heath Haring had a really

918
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: bad showing against jaco'brien. But I remember at the weigh

919
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: ins or like, yeah the wayans, I was like, dude,

920
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: he Hearing looks big as shit. Yeah, and then you

921
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: get out there and he is bigger he was. But

922
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: brock Lessner is like orders of magnitude, a different athlete.

923
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: And you know what Brox was so exciting.

924
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: Here's what Brock's run had, Here's the special sauce on Brock.

925
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: He was because depending on who you were as a fan,

926
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: Like if you were a WW fan, this was like,

927
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: oh my god, my favorite wrestler is just kind of

928
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: crossing the street into this with no experience outside of

929
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: collegiate wrestling, which turns out to be a huge advantage

930
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: along with the athleticism and all that. But he was

931
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: a freak of nature to watch and at the same

932
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: time like an inspirational like underdog story, right, because there

933
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: was like he had no business walking into the title

934
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: picture at the number one MMA organization in the world

935
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: at that moment and actually like winning the championship. Guy, Like,

936
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, right, It's ridiculous.

937
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. And I remember he beat Minsu Kim before

938
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: this k one, and I remember everyone got that wrong.

939
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, a Minsu Kim sucks. And yes, he

940
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: was not a great MMA fighter, but Minsu Kim was,

941
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: like I believe in Olympic silver medalist in judo, certainly

942
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: a very decorated judoka out of Japan obviously, and uh

943
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: and Lesner just fucking cut right through. I was like,

944
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: holy fun were we talking.

945
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: To recently that said Lesnar was supposed to be fighting

946
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: somebody else and then the UFC stepped in and blocked it.

947
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, on the record conversation, I don't know.

948
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I how the things back in the

949
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: archives with my brain loop, but I'm trying to remember

950
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: who Lesnar was in the in the who else he

951
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: could have fought at that time, but no, no one

952
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: had known because it was such a surprise that he

953
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: kind of just made the move and came in.

954
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I remember the diverticulitis uh press

955
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: call that he made. That's another thing that has stopped,

956
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: so Dan. They used to do these big announcements on

957
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: press calls and the media calls, right and like so

958
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: getting on those calls was a big deal and all

959
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: that shit's gone. Now they just control it completely. Like

960
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: they've really diluted the functional need, like to what extends

961
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: they have to maybe be useful. They have really taken

962
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: a bite out of that question.

963
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Dude, I forgot. You remember they had a call when

964
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: Meyweather McGregor was announced, like that night. Oh yeah, I

965
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: did a late night media call.

966
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. I remember the press releases because they

967
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: were coming from every direction.

968
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: I was on that call. I forgot what I asked Dana.

969
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: It was one of those where I like, I know,

970
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm asking a like a question that has some life

971
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: to it that they're not going to like I forgot

972
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: the topic, Like it was kind of a dick question

973
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: by me, but it was to try to get into

974
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: that conversation. And Dane was like, that's the stupid's question

975
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: I ever heard. Like he totally just like shit on me,

976
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: like just tried to just return spiked it right in

977
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 2: my face.

978
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: So do you remember when they had the press conference

979
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: live on Fox to announce that and Joe Rogan had

980
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: to wear the suit. Yeah, that was like the first

981
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: time Joe Rogan ever put a suit on in his life.

982
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: It looked very awkward for him.

983
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: And is that why he dresses like a busboy?

984
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: That's your favorite? That's your favorite?

985
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean it is kind of like, well, I was.

986
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: Worried about these days. But anyway, I got one of

987
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the questions on that, so they were they let media

988
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: call in. They only took five questions. In retrospect, I

989
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: hate my question, but at the time it at the

990
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: time it made more sense because we didn't really know

991
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot about how MMA and boxing being on the

992
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: same night. We had some idea about it, but like

993
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: it was still a little bit different. I asked them

994
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: about going head to head with Pachiao for their debut

995
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, we're not concerned. And I

996
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't you

997
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: know inflammatory No, no, no, no, no, it was it was normal. Yeah.

998
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is intimidating and you're like in your early

999
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: days of covering to like get up at the you.

1000
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Know, I think about it. All those gigs are gone, dude,

1001
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: all those gigs are gone. And it's more than that too,

1002
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Like okay, what do you mean? Like the thing like

1003
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: what made media useful in the aughts and it was

1004
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: this ability to be the conduit between the sport and

1005
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: the fan base. And there still are are, obviously ways

1006
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: to do that, but it has been completely eroded on

1007
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: every corner. MMA fighters now interview each other on their

1008
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: own YouTube channels, They're doing their own breakdowns and doing

1009
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. There's a massive presence in that way,

1010
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: and which is.

1011
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: They don't have to go on media tours to announce things, or.

1012
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: They still will in certain occasions, but they don't like

1013
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: how much of that, Like this is completely taken a backseat,

1014
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: and like these things about being on press calls or

1015
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, being at these events, and they could of

1016
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: telling people on the ground what it's like, like they've

1017
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: removed all of.

1018
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: That, But would you say though, because it is intimidating

1019
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 2: your first times, like at any time, to be fair,

1020
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: like at the press commerce where there's all that eyes,

1021
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, the cameras on YouTube, Like that's intimidating. I

1022
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: was going to compare that to something I forgot.

1023
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I had one time I was trying to interview Lucas

1024
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Matissa and I was I just could not get a

1025
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: word out and his trainer was like, yo, ask the

1026
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: fucking question of relieving. Okay, that's that sucks, dude, But

1027
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: so so right then, you know, I kept trying to

1028
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: do was I was so nervous. This was Mayweather packing, yeah,

1029
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: because Matisa fought on that card and I was, uh.

1030
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: I was shout to like, look, Thomas, that's my nation

1031
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: for blah blah blah blah blah, and for some reason

1032
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: I was just so nervous to do it. I just

1033
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: kept sucking it up. So finally Casey, who was my

1034
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: camera guy, He's like, man, just asked the first question,

1035
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: So that worked. I was like, so, what's up with

1036
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: blah bla blah blah blah blah blah. I don't worry anyway,

1037
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: it worked fine.

1038
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: I know what I was going to say. I just

1039
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: lost it again.

1040
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: Dude, you are an absolute piece of ship.

1041
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1042
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Really bringing it, bringing the heavy look today.

1043
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: I know what it was to Oh, I know it now.

1044
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: So you said a thing of the past. It feels

1045
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: like a thing of the past. Now is conference calls

1046
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: like well, when there's breaking news or anything like, they

1047
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: don't do that anymore, right, I guess there is some

1048
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: kind of zoom set up sometimes but not even really,

1049
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: not really, but you remember calling in and since it's

1050
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: not like visual, you're not seeing the reaction, you can

1051
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: ask like extra spiteful or dick questions you like, like

1052
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's like you automatically raise

1053
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: your your.

1054
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Balls like a little bit more, you know, dude. The

1055
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Howard Stern guys for years would get on the call

1056
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, yeah, here's a question, how long

1057
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: is it gonna take for you to lick my balls?

1058
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Howard's the best.

1059
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll always pop for stuff like that, like, that's

1060
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: just hilarious.

1061
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: Man.

1062
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: And the dude, this went on for fucking years and

1063
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: they'd have to mute the call and like all this shit.

1064
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh that was great, that was great.

1065
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean, I mean media in general. It's

1066
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: a weird time.

1067
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: Dude. They've absolutely decimated that role. That's why I like,

1068
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, how, like what kind of stuff

1069
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: can you do in MMA media? Unless honestly, like, dude,

1070
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: there's not. I mean that's I wouldn't. I would definitely,

1071
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: and I would say this, if you want to get

1072
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: involved in it, you need to be very different and

1073
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: you need to get results right away. And if you don't,

1074
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: don't fucking do this shit Like don't.

1075
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean what if you're really good? Though, If you're really.

1076
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: Good, what the fuck does that mean?

1077
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to build No, that it does. Sometimes

1078
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: you have to build it.

1079
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: You have to be a lot more than good, dude.

1080
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not saying that they have to be great

1081
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: the next day, I'm saying I'm you have to be lucky,

1082
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: you have to be a lot of business.

1083
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: Has to be conducing and also, like, seriously, how many

1084
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: people in MMA media are making what you would consider

1085
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: to be like a good living, Like, dude, you can

1086
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: count them on your fucking hand. You know, you can

1087
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: count them on your hand, and that's that number is

1088
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna dwind them. Like how much money can actually

1089
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: be made doing this? We are we are doing okay

1090
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: certainly for now, but like, are.

1091
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: You trying to say we're newspapers And.

1092
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I mean.

1093
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: I mean.

1094
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: What I mean to say is like you always have

1095
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: to think about it, and I think about this with

1096
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: okay all the time. In fact, I know we could

1097
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: be doing a much better job with it. Like our usefulness.

1098
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: How useful is what we are doing?

1099
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: You know, if they got of our voice in the

1100
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: in the industry.

1101
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: No, in that sense, I think what we do is

1102
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: very useful. Even when we're wrong, we're at least giving

1103
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: an alternative perspective that needs to be aired. Fine, I

1104
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: mean usefulness and like, hey, how would I get my

1105
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: news if I didn't have X? How would I understand

1106
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: fights if I didn't have Why? How useful are you

1107
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: in that way? And media? Because just the way things

1108
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: are structured now and this involves us too, they're just

1109
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: a lot less useful. You don't need You don't need

1110
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: us as much as you once did. I accept that.

1111
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: I accept the challenge. But you've got to figure out

1112
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: how to be useful. And that's where I think, dude,

1113
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: this is where I honestly feel like long term, you know,

1114
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: right or wrong, Like, just being critical in this industry

1115
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: makes you useful. It makes you enemies, but it makes

1116
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: you fucking useful.

1117
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 2: So look, you have a purpose in this space.

1118
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: Yes, to get yelled at, even if you hate this,

1119
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: get to get yelled at by motherfuckers. Do you see

1120
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: who Jack Slack was arguing with today, I didn't see it.

1121
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: He's arguing with some You know, that's amazing to me

1122
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: about like combat sports fans is that when they pretend

1123
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: to be sports fans. It's like, dude, you can be

1124
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: a combat sports fan and you can be a sports fan.

1125
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: And that's especially true in like England for example. Yeah, right,

1126
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: but in the States, a lot of combat sports fans

1127
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: are just that they're not really.

1128
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: You don't think it's a natural tie with NFL or NHL.

1129
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: You don't think there's like a I think.

1130
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: The demos overlap on paper eighteen to twenty four blah

1131
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: blah blah. I think in the real world the overlap

1132
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: is fairly small. Yeah, I think they're different. It's like

1133
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: a biker crowd. It's different what it is. Dude. These

1134
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: are not bad people, but they're not the same as

1135
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: like families in a long standing tradition, if.

1136
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: Your dad has an affliction T shirt and tight jeans

1137
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: and a possible coke habit, then you'll fit right in.

1138
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: You'll fit right in. Bro. Yeah, yeah, we'll fit right in.

1139
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, listen, they you know, we we do.

1140
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: We we have a good deal. We have a good gig.

1141
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: But dude, this was but here's the part about it.

1142
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: When I first got in the business, none of that

1143
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: good stuff ever existed either. Like that all kind of

1144
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: materialized as you know, the business moved along. It's just

1145
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: that it didn't last very long. Like you know, oh

1146
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: the boot.

1147
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: You're saying the boom period for breakout MMA media slash entertainment.

1148
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: Dude, it's not that hard to get a gig on

1149
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: television talking about I'm not gonna say it's not that hard.

1150
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is it looks hard. Sorry, I'm saying

1151
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: it the wrong way. What I'm saying is it's not

1152
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: especially rare in the industry to be able to get

1153
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: a job talking about college football. Right, there's a lot

1154
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: of places. There's newspapers that still do that has beat

1155
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: reporters that have regional networks. There's radio stations that still

1156
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: cover this stuff, college radio stations, there's television stations. There's

1157
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: like a lot of that. Or a job is available,

1158
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: some more lucrative than others. But there's a lot of jobs. Dude.

1159
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: How many jobs are there where people get paid to

1160
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: talk about MMA and how many of them are lucrative,

1161
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: and how many of them are at long standing institutions, right,

1162
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: these places that have bedrocks of community, Dude, Like there

1163
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: doesn't fucking exist. It's like almost doesn't exist. It's a

1164
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: very very.

1165
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: You know, but do you like want, you know, to

1166
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: have a reputational legacy Luke as a you know, tough journalist,

1167
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: one after truth, all these good virtues. I'm not making

1168
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: fun of them, but do you care, Like do you

1169
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: look at this as just this pays the billity like

1170
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: you're passionate about it, but like you know, it's a

1171
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: means to the end, or you like trying to leave

1172
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: an imprint.

1173
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: Luke, I think it's extremely foolish to think we're going

1174
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: to leave an imprint. I think it's just absurd. The

1175
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: passage of time, we won't none of this will be

1176
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: remembered in ten years, much less twenty. And that's just

1177
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the reality.

1178
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: We'll still talk about Luke. Thomas's pissed all the time,

1179
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: don't they do.

1180
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: In a strange way. But here's what I mean, dude, Like,

1181
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: what you have to do is sometimes what you do

1182
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: can set a tone for others, and things can build

1183
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: certainly in your time. What I think is most important

1184
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: is to to the best of your approximation and your

1185
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: best of your abilities to tell the truth and have

1186
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: an imprint on reality as best that that carries you.

1187
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: But then realize there's gonna be extreme limits to that.

1188
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna be pushback on it. And when this is

1189
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: all over, like, oh, people will remember what you've done.

1190
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: People don't remember a fucking thing you did, dude, And

1191
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, these guys are the goats are gonna

1192
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: stand the test of time. No people are gonna break

1193
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: their records in fifty sixty years. There's gonna be another Well,

1194
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: let me finish there's gonna be another message. The's gonna

1195
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: be Ano Ronaldo. There's gonna be another Michael Phelps. There's

1196
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna be all these things, and everyone is gonna forget

1197
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: all of this stuff like this, this this like grossly

1198
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: inflated sense of self that we all have.

1199
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not incorrect. I mean I get it.

1200
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not true. All you can do is

1201
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: tell the truth while you have the ability to tell it.

1202
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: That's it.

1203
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: That's it.

1204
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: I like that speech, even though it sounds like the

1205
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: guy from Corey Ham and Lucas wrote it.

1206
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about it too, because I used

1207
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: to be obsessed with these questions about leaving an imprint.

1208
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Then I realized it's just not gonna happen. So that

1209
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't have an imprint. That doesn't mean

1210
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: you can't do big things, But it just means you've

1211
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: got to have a little bit of humility about the

1212
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: big universe you live in and how fast it is

1213
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: and what all that means. Dud. It brought me closer

1214
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: to like my wife and kid having a realization because

1215
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: what actually mattered was the fucking time I was spending

1216
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: with them. That's what actually fucking matters.

1217
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: Damn right, damn right? If anything, Luke and I don't

1218
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: think this is vain. I want I don't care if

1219
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: people remember us, but I want them to always remember

1220
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: how they felt with us.

1221
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: People who really like our will remember, Yeah, they will

1222
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: remember that. What I mean to say is, like, do

1223
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: we cast some long shadow on society? Dude, We're in

1224
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: a fucking hotel room in Jersey City talking to a

1225
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: single camera micro camera.

1226
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, where's the second cant you said there

1227
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: was going to be a second can.

1228
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: The battery is dead? I didn't check it because I'm

1229
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: an amateur. I did say it was a maybe.

1230
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 2: First of all, how many roughly how many poor life

1231
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: decisions away do you think your life was from you

1232
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: being like a successful adult film producer, But like you

1233
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: don't really have you know, a soul or morals or anything.

1234
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: Like chicken shit to do that? Two chicken shit to

1235
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: do that? But like that sounds something else equally reprehensible.

1236
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: Not that far, really, not that far. I almost went

1237
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: like full time officer in the military. I toyed with

1238
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: that idea, but I was like.

1239
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: Nah, yeah, I mean, like I love movies when like

1240
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: they break down, like the one moment that turned their life.

1241
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: You know, there's a bunch of them and you're like,

1242
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of you can see in

1243
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: the movie what it would have looked like if you

1244
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: went this way or that way. I always wonder, like,

1245
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: is there actually a decision that we made in our

1246
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: adult life as men that literally was that moment? Or

1247
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: would we have ended up where we're supposed to be

1248
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: any way eventually?

1249
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: Even if there are a couple of moments, there were

1250
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: a couple of moments. I remember that. I've told you

1251
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: story a million times. But the first ever live pro

1252
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: Mma show in d C was MMAC in May of

1253
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and I interviewed the guy who

1254
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: was the promoter for that for Bloody Elbow at the time,

1255
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: because it was a big deal to have that, like

1256
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: I just gonna be a pro There didn't used to be.

1257
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds obvious, but like there didn't used

1258
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: to be, like anime shows in your hometown, like now

1259
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: that there are should not be taken as a given

1260
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: like it was there. I remember that the days before that,

1261
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: So I interviewed the promoter and and you know, I

1262
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: remember I asked him, who's doing your commentary? And he

1263
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're missing somebody. And there was a

1264
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: thing in my brain that just told him to tell

1265
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: you him you could do it. And I said it,

1266
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: which was a fucking lie. I've never done it before.

1267
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: I was absolutely terrible at it and blah blah blah.

1268
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: But I guess I wasn't terrible at it. I was

1269
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: okay at it. But what they what they, what the

1270
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: networks at the time wanted was they were looking at

1271
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu like it was an absolutely foreign language, and

1272
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: so what they wanted was someone who could look at

1273
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: it and tell us just you know, yeah, just tell

1274
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: us what the fuck this is. So I didn't need

1275
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: to be like, uh, Fernando fabian Busque, who's like the

1276
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: go I don't have to be that. I just have

1277
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, that's something that's trying.

1278
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1279
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: He was really good. I interviewed Jeff Blatnick.

1280
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: Let me as at a time when we don't look

1281
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: back as like the golden era of IMA broadcasting by

1282
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: any means, it's almost barbaric to go back. The guys

1283
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: tried their best, Like, you know, there's some notable names

1284
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: that passed through there. But Bruce becc I liked, I

1285
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: liked pruspect. But my whole point is he stood out

1286
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 2: even back then. Blatnik is like being he was enterted,

1287
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: he was enjoyable. He wasn't over the top entertainment. He's enjoyable, educational,

1288
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: and like you really believed that he knew shit, you know.

1289
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I interviewed him in Times Square. The first thing

1290
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: you remember, do you it Beat the Streets is no.

1291
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: Beat the Streets is this event that USA Wrestling puts

1292
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: on where they put on real wrestling matches between high

1293
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: level guys including other nations like and it first started

1294
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: out as in Times Square, and now they do it

1295
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: in all it's in New York, but they do it

1296
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: in these ways where it's like very scene and visible.

1297
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: It's like a big promotion for USA Wrestling. I went

1298
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: to the first ever one. Bubba Jenkins did a rap.

1299
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: There's video of that, like he rapped like a fucking song,

1300
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: fresh out of college. And then I interview Jeff blat

1301
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: Nick in person, and I asked him it was a

1302
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: great interview, and I asked him like, you know, because

1303
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: he comes from wrestling obviously, and I asked him like

1304
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: should MMA judging ever adopt a more points based system,

1305
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: awhile like wrestling, like two points with the takedown or whatever.

1306
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: And he gave this very very impassioned reason why it

1307
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: should never be that way in MMA, and you had

1308
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: to say, of course it shouldn't be you, but you

1309
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: should hear his answer, his answer, and like the end,

1310
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: they remember he was also a person who helped write

1311
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: some of the rules for MMA, So this is the

1312
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: guy who was really at the front lines of this,

1313
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: and he was so adamant we should never do something

1314
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: like that.

1315
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: And his answer is, really, is it fair to say

1316
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: people like blat Nick and Big John McCarthy are like

1317
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: like silent m vps in the evolution of the sport?

1318
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: Or is that too much praise? I love Big John

1319
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: and if he definitely tore up like a bathroom at

1320
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: some point, you know, just especially in Tokyo. He won't

1321
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: tell us the stories.

1322
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: You know. You know, well, I mean, you got a girl.

1323
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: A girl never cames and tells you know, what did

1324
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: you ask?

1325
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: You know about Platinik and Big John McCarthy being like

1326
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: silent heroes in the history of you know, because they

1327
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: don't probably get the credit they deserve for campaigning for

1328
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: the sport right behind the scenes.

1329
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that they do. I mean they

1330
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: did for a time, but you know that's what I mean.

1331
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: People forget like that's why people write shit in books,

1332
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: because otherwise it will just go away.

1333
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: The point. Did Blatnik call a fight under the ZUFA era?

1334
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: Definitely se g. I don't know if he translated over

1335
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: to this.

1336
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: You can't remember if he was there.

1337
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: Some of those, some of those like UFC forties I

1338
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: have not seen in a long time. Yeah, I did

1339
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: recall the one time, so it was when Arlotsky fought

1340
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: Paul Boantello when Matt Vaskerjian was the play by play guy. Yes,

1341
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: do you remember that? I remember that being like, oh

1342
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: the fuck is this guy? He's famous for doing like

1343
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: MLB stuff. Yeah, he's really good, but he actually was

1344
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: like surprisingly good for that.

1345
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you look back at the

1346
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: legacy of Goldie, do you miss him? He swung big,

1347
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: he had big moments.

1348
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't for me.

1349
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: He had big moments, all right, Like did he deliver

1350
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: what he loved mma?

1351
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: I think he loved mma.

1352
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't for me though, You don't have a favorite

1353
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: call from him.

1354
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, But I'm not gonna sit here and

1355
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: talk shit about Michael Bilburg. Like I've had enough of that.

1356
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: You know, you've done enough of that.

1357
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: I there was a time when it's funny because now

1358
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: they really are in like full effect, But there was

1359
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: a time when he was calling half guards certain things turks,

1360
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: and they can look very similar, but they were clearly

1361
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: in the case there were sometimes obviously there were turks,

1362
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: but in many cases they were not turks. They were

1363
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: just half guard. And that used to irk me a bit.

1364
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: But you know, you don't have to end friendship so

1365
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: far that well, you know, and.

1366
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: I certainly am no better at that job. So again,

1367
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: once again he who was without saying cast the first home.

1368
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: But you would you, I know, like it's not realistic,

1369
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: you're not going to do it, But do you think

1370
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: you would have enjoyed being an MMA judge or referee.

1371
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: I still might do some of that stuff. Oh you

1372
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: still think you can do it, not refereeing, but maybe.

1373
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: Like, okay, let me ask you this question. If you

1374
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: went all in now you still have a full time job.

1375
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: But I'm saying you went all in on your heart

1376
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: commitment to judging, to getting certified, to doing as many

1377
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: amateur abouts as you need. How long do you think

1378
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: it actually would take under most ideal circumstances, like you

1379
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: are very good at it right away, they can see that,

1380
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: they can see the passion. How quickly could you call?

1381
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: Will you get your first UFC? Foot you think it's

1382
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: like a long time?

1383
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: You mean like assuming the UFC is coming to town

1384
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: on a reasonable level.

1385
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean how quickly could you close that gap?

1386
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: Is it ten years or is it?

1387
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Like from what I've seen from like the really good judges,

1388
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I would say, you're looking at ready for your first UFC, right,

1389
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: So we're not talking UFC made event, No, no, no,

1390
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: not so I would say, if we're talking first UFC

1391
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: event for the really really good judges, I think four years,

1392
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: five years is probably.

1393
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: That almost every weekend you're working on your craft or oh.

1394
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: Every weekend, but yes, frequently frequently. You know you've worked

1395
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: a way up from amateur to pro pro to you

1396
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: know main event, main event to blah blah blah. You know,

1397
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: it worked your way up and maybe did a belator

1398
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: show or something else like that. So yeah, I would say,

1399
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: like the good ones have got like right around that

1400
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: four to five year mark, they've got really they're really

1401
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: dialed in, you know.

1402
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: Okay, MMA referee is definitely a job. I would say,

1403
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: it's not for everybody, Like it wouldn't be for me.

1404
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that responsibility. But how often do you

1405
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: think even really good MMA referees that have done all

1406
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: the big fights like are kind of overwhelmed with like

1407
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: anxiety about the job and are like, you know, I'm

1408
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 2: almost dreading the fact that, like they are responsible for

1409
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: so much.

1410
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Just everyone talks about the job being hard, and it's like, Okay,

1411
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent true. But here's the fucking problem.

1412
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: If we're going to say over and over and over

1413
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: and over again that MMA judging is hard, then then

1414
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: I should say, why aren't we putting into practice things

1415
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: that allow them to make up for error like other

1416
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: referees and umpires do in other fucking sports. This idea,

1417
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: like it's the same thing with the Supreme Court. I

1418
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: saw this guy who who he talks about how what

1419
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: do other high courts look like in other countries and

1420
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: what models do they use, And one of the things

1421
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: he comes to is the first thing. He realizes they

1422
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: have a different system of rights where one right is

1423
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: not I'll get to a hold on one right is not.

1424
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: It. I didn't do anything, I know.

1425
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: But I saw a look on your face, and it's

1426
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to make is you have to figure

1427
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: out how to manage conflicting rights, like what system do

1428
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: you use? And like there's this partnership system. And now

1429
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: I did was what the fuck I was talking about

1430
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: because of your stupid I'm not asking for help.

1431
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: I was, you know, what was a question? I was

1432
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 2: very relaxed. What was the question?

1433
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: Oh, we were talking about judging?

1434
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: Yahout? Why I'd ask it through the lens of a referee,

1435
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: I talk about the anxiety referee how like how much

1436
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: like you know, do is there a PTSD in that?

1437
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: Because right, So, here's the point. Our system of law

1438
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: is very different. Rather than competing rights, we just look

1439
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: to judges with this notion that they're supposed to have

1440
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: like incredible like actual judgment, their ability to adjudicate and

1441
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: to and to think through problems in the most clairvoyant,

1442
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: clear headed, rational kind of way. Like they're fucking vulcans

1443
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: or something. It's just bullshit, like they're not those kinds

1444
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: of people. You certainly need trained people and competent people,

1445
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: but the supreme courts people's their judgment is no less

1446
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: political than anyone else's. It's no more informed in terms

1447
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: of being a good judge of things than anyone else's. Right,

1448
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: So that part is the whole bullshit. This is exactly

1449
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: the same thing with it being an MMA referee. Dude,

1450
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're they're quite obviously going to get shit

1451
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: wrong with a fair degree of regularity. Who gives a fuck?

1452
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: Who gives a fuck? Give them an out to the

1453
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: best extent possible to correct for that. That's what we

1454
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: need to do. So these consequences are not so.

1455
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know, are you off I thought

1456
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: I heard in that. I thought I heard that you

1457
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: were offering why do we not have three officials watching

1458
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: a match instead of just the referee? So I know,

1459
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: for example, like a volleyball chair, like looking in, you

1460
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: have one there right right, you have.

1461
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: The line judge and then the head judge in tennis,

1462
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: whatever the different names are. I know in racketball, think

1463
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: there's an A judge and a B judge's things like that,

1464
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: Like there are systems in place where one is hierarchically

1465
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: bigger than the one, but there's a lot of different rules.

1466
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: It seems insane to me that we haven't done that,

1467
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: especially because the consequences are fucking graves in certain cases

1468
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: and dire, and we're like, well, they done.

1469
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Goofed the next one. That was an interesting thought because

1470
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: even if it's just for like championship, I think of

1471
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: how the playoffs in baseball they put the extra umpires

1472
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: down the fall lines, like just to like make sure

1473
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: they get it right in the key moments. You could

1474
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: definitely have somebody, say where the camera guy is on

1475
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: top of the cage looking in somebody on a monitor.

1476
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like you just feel like there should

1477
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: be instant resolution on some of this stuff rather than

1478
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: missing it altogether.

1479
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: Right, there should be a process for correcting for error,

1480
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: like on a better one. Will some states have instant replay.

1481
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, motherfuckers. There should be so much more

1482
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: we're doing, But that costs money. And that's the other

1483
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: problem too, Like too again, I keep saying it, maybe

1484
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: giving maybe handing the keys over to the commission was

1485
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: what Emma needed to do to survive, But holy shit, man,

1486
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they are gonna drive that buick slow. They're

1487
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: not going to change anything. They're not gonna update the

1488
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: cassette player. They're not gonna do shit ma fucking thing.

1489
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: It would be fair or unfair to frame the recent

1490
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 2: issues that hardcore MMA fans have had with the UFC

1491
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: matchmaking to the idea that maybe Data is spending too

1492
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 2: much time with twenty year old influencers at black tables

1493
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: and not as much time with the matchmakers getting this

1494
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: ship to look good and feel good.

1495
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: Dude, we gotta get we gotta like, we gotta buy it.

1496
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: Unfair.

1497
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: We got to buy a prostitute who will then blow

1498
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: one of these influencers and then she'll like she'll wear

1499
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: a wire that you're saying, yeah, we'll either we'll either

1500
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: blackmail them to get us. Like, I just want to

1501
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: be in.

1502
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: Those rooms when when they logic it out, when they.

1503
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: When they're just tossing money to the creators, you know

1504
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, here's this bag of two hundred

1505
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: and fifty K. Just do that, Just set it on

1506
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: fire if you want to. I want to be in

1507
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: the room. So like, we got to pay a hooker

1508
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: to blow one of these guys. Wow, you get us.

1509
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: I think the rule too graphic?

1510
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: And what's your plan?

1511
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to find any solutions? Yeah?

1512
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: Wait wait you want to blow them?

1513
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, I do you think it's more stressed to

1514
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: be a boxing referee because it's more closely aligned with

1515
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: death unfortunately of guy taking one too many, you know,

1516
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: clean punches like.

1517
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta bear witness to savagery, you know,

1518
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: round after a round of it.

1519
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: Man. I read Tony Weeks gave his first interview and

1520
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: he said that, oh yeah, I read it too. Yeah,

1521
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: he felt like he may have missed that the knockdown

1522
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: was not a clean punch. It was clearly a push,

1523
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: and he thought because the guy was forty, he had

1524
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: just been punch clean and then he was taken like

1525
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: a couple of decent shots. I mean, obviously he's not justifying,

1526
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: he's not trying to like bail himself out. He he

1527
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: accepts that he probably made a mistake.

1528
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: But no, he was a little bit defiant.

1529
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit defiant.

1530
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: He was a little defiant. I do maybe I misread it,

1531
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: but I thought he was saying, yes, he didn't. He

1532
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: admits he didn't have the best angle. Yeah, and then

1533
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: he admitted later that the punch, the punches Rollie were

1534
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: throwing didn't land, but he did stand by that the

1535
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: that he had seen what's his face get knocked down,

1536
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: and so he was going in with the mindset that

1537
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: he got down. It's like, dude, how the fuck did

1538
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: you miss that? And if your answer is you weren't

1539
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: in the right position, well then there's the fucking answer.

1540
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: You smile.

1541
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony was really framed it as he had

1542
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: Karen concerned for a four year old, and he basically

1543
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: specifically said if.

1544
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: It was a twenty five year old, look what that

1545
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: got him.

1546
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: But so do you think it's it has to be

1547
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: connected with what Weeks was in?

1548
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about pornography? This is why are

1549
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: we talking about Tony Weeks?

1550
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like twenty Weeks. I don't want this controversy

1551
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: to be linked with him.

1552
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Right. Oh God, that was an all time bad stoppers dude.

1553
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: I mean they just don't come much worse than that. Yeah,

1554
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: he fucked that one up big damn right. Yeah, answer

1555
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: the pornography question.

1556
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, were you into the Beastie boys?

1557
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 2: Check your head? Record when they played their own instruments

1558
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: and were kind of like an alternative band.

1559
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: I was never a big Beastie Boys guy. I was

1560
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: a little bit in the early eighties. Yeah, like the

1561
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: Sleep Till Brooklyn and all that. Yeah, whirls.

1562
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: What's the one with the airplane on the cover? The

1563
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: best one? Uh, Paul Paul's ticket is the other one,

1564
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: which is amazing as well.

1565
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: This is licensed to license to ill.

1566
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't remember, Yeah, yeah, I forgot, but yeah,

1567
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: apparently the answer is no.

1568
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't a big everyone loved sabotage. I don't

1569
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: hate sabotage, but I don't like.

1570
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1571
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: And then what was the other one? Intergalactic?

1572
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that one is kind of catchy.

1573
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: But he was like, I'll stir fry you in my walk,

1574
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you won't. You won't because I'm not

1575
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: going to listen to this.

1576
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: You Okay. See I didn't draw the line there. I

1577
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: went to the next one, the four Burroughs. I kind

1578
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: of drew the line after that, but yeah, I didn't,

1579
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: you know, I even going ham on them.

1580
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: I've always hated the whites, we see, it really has

1581
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: been a long standing did you have any I was

1582
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: hating Whitey before hating Whitey was cool.

1583
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: Wait did you have any connection with Colombian culture before?

1584
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no nothing. I knew nothing about South

1585
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: America in any kind of formed way until I met

1586
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: my wife. And even now it's obviously quite conditional.

1587
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: Do you feel confident that if you flew to Columbia

1588
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: right now alone, you can completely navigate the entire process

1589
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 2: on your own.

1590
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes.

1591
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: And you have never feared for your life? My life, no, no,

1592
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: the lives of those around you.

1593
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: No, Like sometimes you wonder about your property, okay, but

1594
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: but no, not my life. Never that dude. But the

1595
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: gring goes down there, man, you know, they don't know

1596
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: what the fuck they're doing. Like, these people go down there,

1597
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: and like my wife was telling me, like, you know

1598
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: certain things, like don't wear certain things that they just know.

1599
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: You're just you're just making you're creating your uh, yourself

1600
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: as a target.

1601
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: You know.

1602
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: She was like, don't wear fucking Birkenstock. I don't have anybody.

1603
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: She was like, don't wear fucking sandals in Bogadah, Like,

1604
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: don't fucking do it. And sure enough we went by

1605
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: this place where like a lot of Americans are, and

1606
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: there were so fucking many.

1607
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think you'll step in the New

1608
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: York train station.

1609
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: It was like that, and it was you know, you know,

1610
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: don't walk around with your phone out like that, you

1611
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 1: get your phone snatched, shit like that, you know. And

1612
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: these fucking gringos, they just they don't know what they're doing, dude,

1613
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: and they just they think they're going to Europe. And

1614
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: it's like, well, actually that's not even true, because dude,

1615
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: pickpocketing in Spain is a epidemic. But the point I'm

1616
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: trying to make is like, you know, these these are

1617
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: poor people that in certain parts that live in South America,

1618
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: man like, and that changes the rules up a lot.

1619
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: And you know, these are fucking hungry people. Man, you

1620
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: travel like a dumb ass, You're gonna pay for it.

1621
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: I'm traveling too aggressively internationally scares me. Like my wife

1622
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: at one point we were going to like fly to

1623
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: Costa Rica and drive two hours up the mountains and

1624
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: the fam and she's like, you could do that, fine,

1625
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I probably could pull it off,

1626
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: but it intimidates me still on the level that driving

1627
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: on the other side of the road would intimidate me too.

1628
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I've done that. I've obviously been

1629
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: in a car that was on the other side. I

1630
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever driven one. But dude, this

1631
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: is the trick to traveling. I don't know about like

1632
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: parts of Asia or the Middle East because it's been

1633
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: so long since I really did that any part that

1634
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: was reason. I mean, I haven't been to Israel and

1635
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: quite some time, so you know, I don't know about that.

1636
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: But like through South America, what I can say is

1637
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: the one key to doing it right if you don't

1638
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: like have a better clue, is like just make sure

1639
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: before you go to a place you have some kind

1640
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: of organized service for whatever you want to do. So

1641
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: if you want to go from the hotel excuse me,

1642
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: the airport to the hotel, don't wave a taxi down.

1643
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean again, there could be an airport where you

1644
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: can't wave a taxi. Now, it's not a big deal,

1645
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: but if you just want to be certain about it,

1646
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: arrange your travel ahead of time. Go to a hotel

1647
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: with a concierge. Don't go to some fucking hostel where

1648
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: they're not going to help you or you know, whatever,

1649
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: some airbnb where you just have to punch in the numbers,

1650
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: no one directs you are on top. You might get

1651
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: shived too, Yeah, you might get fucking one of these.

1652
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: So like you, so go to a place where it

1653
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: was a concierge. When if you want to go on

1654
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: a boat tour, don't go to the fucking dock and

1655
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: sign up. Sign up ahead of time and then meet

1656
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: someone there. Have a s chaperone essentially for these things,

1657
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 1: and you will be fine. We will be fine.

1658
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: Luke, what does your life look like at age sixty?

1659
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: Oh? God, pathetic? Oh come on, you're just crying and

1660
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: masturbating in the show.

1661
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 2: Well this is I mean, you could be a grandfather

1662
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 2: at that point.

1663
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not a grandfather in seventeen years. My

1664
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: daughter's only four.

1665
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. Okay, I'm not asking for that

1666
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: equation to work out. But Luke, what does it look like?

1667
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: Are you still doing this shit?

1668
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how that's possible. Honestly, I

1669
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: don't know if the audience will happen. Dude, if you

1670
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: what if seventeen years is it possible seventeen years?

1671
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 2: Is it possible that at age sixty. You could be

1672
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: on like year fifteen of your return to YouTube, your

1673
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: your you know whatever form or platform is the main thing,

1674
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: and you are back one man show. Trust don't dta,

1675
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 2: don't trust anybody, you know what I mean? Like just

1676
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: the Luke Thomas.

1677
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: Express could be, could be. I mean, I don't know,

1678
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: but who do? What the fuck is the internet going

1679
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: to look like? What is media going to look like?

1680
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: If you have to put on the goggles to watch

1681
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: the Luke Tamas Show?

1682
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So it's like, dude, I don't even I mean,

1683
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: this is we got into the worst industry. I mean, look,

1684
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: I'm in the entertainment industry. I don't know what an industry.

1685
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: You're you're an adult entertainment No no, oh man, I

1686
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: want to call more fights, you know how fun calling?

1687
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: I know That's what I want to do too. Damn, dude,

1688
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: they don't have many of those jobs. I've noticed. You

1689
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: can't just go on hot jobs dot Com. I like,

1690
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: there's like three of these jobs and everyone who has

1691
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: it is like great at it and been there a.

1692
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: Long time and be like, fuck, I want to swim

1693
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: in that pool though.

1694
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: I want to swim in those checks, even if I know.

1695
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: You're going to piss in that pool, like just not

1696
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: even care, just just constantly.

1697
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: Right. What what app would you say you use the

1698
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: most to watch? Whatever you watch the most? Like, where

1699
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 1: are you spending?

1700
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.

1701
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't like the direction that this is.

1702
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: No. I'm saying Netflix. Oh I thought you were talking

1703
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 2: about No, No, no, No. What app do I go

1704
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 2: on the most? I would say Twitter?

1705
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: No for viewing things like actual entertainment.

1706
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: Oh, when I'm making the choices just myself, I would

1707
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: say YouTube is really okay, But that does it count

1708
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 2: the times that I'm listening to records then watching on

1709
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: YouTube with the sound off nineties NBA basketball GAMZ because

1710
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: that's pretty much my life at this point.

1711
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think that counts.

1712
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 2: Is that said? Existence?

1713
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: That's a little Jesus all right, a little bit said?

1714
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 2: Okay, but so if that doesn't count was the original

1715
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: question again?

1716
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: But app do you used to like watch the most time? Okay?

1717
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: If that's not the setup, then I would guess Prime

1718
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: because they have the best music documentary selection compared to

1719
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: any other app. I used to subscribe to a subscription

1720
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: within that subscription for like even better music documentaries for

1721
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: like seven dollars a month. But then I was like,

1722
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: this is getting look excessive.

1723
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: It's the most expensive thing you ever bought. Draw call online.

1724
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never had the excess funds to do that.

1725
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: I did it once. I didn't have the funds either.

1726
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Yeah, I mean, I mean sometimes

1727
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: I have them, but I didn't. That was a bad thing,

1728
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: but I did it. Yeah, I kept it too. It

1729
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: was a it was a tiny grill, but it was expensive.

1730
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: It's like two hundred bucks.

1731
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: You still use it. You still have it though, but no.

1732
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: No, I kept it for many years after that, but

1733
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't have it now.

1734
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should move outside of the district of Columbia

1735
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: and like get back.

1736
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: Into the don't you go gargle, you el Ramera's walls.

1737
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 2: Get back into the real United States?

1738
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: What about a what's not real about my neighborhood? Motherfucker?

1739
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 2: What about a This is not you're not running for anything.

1740
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: This is just a reintroduction of Luke to the United States.

1741
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not how much I want to make that.

1742
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: You go, you commit to three years in the Midwest.

1743
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: You can pick the area, but you have to take

1744
01:16:59,240 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 2: the family.

1745
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, Saint Louis is depressing.

1746
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: You could do Illinois out in like a Chicago.

1747
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: And Chicago's great.

1748
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: I like Chicago, Chicago, you would, you would.

1749
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: Here's cities I would live in. Okay, let's let's say that,

1750
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: like I woke up tomorrow and I had twenty five

1751
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: million dollars in my bank account. That's like seriously, like

1752
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: now you get to now.

1753
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: You just pick no. But that's a difference because when

1754
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: the money gets to that level. Now you're talking about

1755
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 2: the coast in California Hawaii, like you can do crazy shit.

1756
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't mean it in that way, but I

1757
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: just mean, like, here are the cities I could see

1758
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: myself living in if money wasn't a tremendous issue.

1759
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: Okay, how about if you were doing two and a

1760
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: half times better than you are now?

1761
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay two and a half Okay, Okay, well you're okay,

1762
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty good.

1763
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: That's pretty I.

1764
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: Could live in New Orleans, fucking I think New Orleans

1765
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: is one of America's best cities. I could live in Chicago.

1766
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: That gets fucking cold, So you know, we'd have to

1767
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: be in cart to Hana for six months, but I

1768
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: could call it home Charleston. Charleston, South Carolina is extremely charming.

1769
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily want to live there, but it is

1770
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: a wonderful, amazing I was impressed.

1771
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: I was really pressed.

1772
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: My Florida you can just sing it to the ocean,

1773
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, just okay, but what about your parents?

1774
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: What about the western side with the white sand like Naples.

1775
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 1: And the kind of shit just let it go, just

1776
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: let it go, just let it sink. Wow, So forget that.

1777
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: That's not for me. I could live in Denver. I

1778
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: like Denver a lot. I think Colorado is pretty special.

1779
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: San Diego is great.

1780
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: They say if you if you go there, you don't

1781
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: ever want to live anywhere else. But they're for the

1782
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: rest of your life. Look, it's like a disease that

1783
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: gets on your San Diego. I've only been there for

1784
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: one half day of my life, so I don't I

1785
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: can't give you that answer. But the food's tremendously like

1786
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:38,839
Speaker 2: on the mom and pop.

1787
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: And the Marine Corps has obviously a big presence there,

1788
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: which I like. And then honestly, I mean, you know,

1789
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: I could be persuaded into living into la but I

1790
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't choose it, you know at all, live the most.

1791
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: And this has always been true. I think New York

1792
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: City is the greatest city in the world. And I've

1793
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: seen some great fucking cities. I think New York City

1794
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: is a greatest city in the world. And uh, it's

1795
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: just too expensive for people like me.

1796
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: If you're doing two and a half times, dude, you could.

1797
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: I was doing two and half times, I could afford it.

1798
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: But even then, dude, like, okay, even if I wouldn't

1799
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: make it rich at that point. But even if I

1800
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: was making two and a half times that I've been making,

1801
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: I'd be living nicely in New York. I would hardly

1802
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: be one of the wealthier people in New York.

1803
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: Fold pull it off, but it wouldn't be like over

1804
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: the glod.

1805
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be comfortable and in a way that people

1806
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: who didn't understand the context would think, oh, he has

1807
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: an okay life and not really hasn't any direction. Pretty rich,

1808
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: But that's it. Like you couldn't you could, You couldn't

1809
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: live ostentatiously. I have to live in like, you know,

1810
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere to do that, dude.

1811
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: I think living in Manhattan, for example, would drive, would

1812
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: drive my stress levels, like in anxiety through the world.

1813
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: I love New York City. I fucking love New York City.

1814
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean I do great city.

1815
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean, New York City is my city. I mean

1816
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: I've I've I've had you know, I've had a rocky

1817
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: relationship with it at times and didn't appreciate it or

1818
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: didn't know it and took it for granted. But now

1819
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I I love it. But with that said, Luke,

1820
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: it's a it's a wild ride. I mean it's it's

1821
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 2: it's a rough, it's a one and a half, you

1822
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like you know when you

1823
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: speed up podcasts. You know what I mean. By the way, anybody,

1824
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: I have friends who are like, yeah, listen to your

1825
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: podcast one to you know, two time speed or whatever.

1826
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that doesn't mean that you're not showing me.

1827
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: So I don't listen to us on one one.

1828
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 2: I've said this before, and I mean it. If it's

1829
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: somebody that you care about and you listen to it

1830
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: on anything faster than the speed it gets delivered in,

1831
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: then you know it's disrespect. Just don't listen at all,

1832
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: all right, don't don't listen to one because you know,

1833
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: like there's you know, there's a mood, there's a vibe

1834
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: this show. You know, you cauds out there, You're just

1835
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: you can get high off this show if you watch it.

1836
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: You know, if you watch it the right way, you

1837
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Luke, And you know, we want

1838
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: to put our hands through the screen and massage our

1839
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: audience in a way, like in a way, right, and

1840
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, just take them on the roller coaster ride

1841
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: of emotions, through the ups and downs, the highs and

1842
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: lows of men, the growth. Right, that's what our documentary

1843
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: series used to provide that glimpse. But I think all

1844
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 2: that's dead. Where's documentary number?

1845
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: Look?

1846
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: What where is it?

1847
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: Jake? You know they did like five people watched them.

1848
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: Okay, but they were they were tremendous, Right, they were tremendous.

1849
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: They were There was to or false, There was there

1850
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: was some heart.

1851
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: There, but they had to like I had a couple

1852
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: of gray lines that never saw the light of day.

1853
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were a little aggressive, they were you.

1854
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: Were fucking great. Yeah we got to call it a day.

1855
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: But you look back on that series and say, you

1856
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: know what, I certainly made it better, But you know,

1857
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: did I consistently bring my A game every episode to.

1858
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't care about bringing my A game to that

1859
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: ship stack for five seconds.

1860
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly times when you not providing, like when

1861
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 2: you don't sell for it, that it's just perfect. But

1862
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 2: there's definitely some of those docs I remember where you're

1863
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: just like, yo, fuck this, I'm not you were like

1864
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: you Ney Dias that ship You totally were like counter culture.

1865
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: Fuck you. You know what I mean?

1866
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: You have made for great material like die, you know,

1867
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: and let's see your phone case? Is that the Metallica cover?

1868
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, this doesn't make me think of Jimmy

1869
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: Hendrix every time I see it.

1870
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like a the cover of Load.

1871
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: Was it blood and Seamen? Serious question?

1872
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: I hope not right, I hope not. That's what was

1873
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: the more I think about it, Like, Metallica is amazing,

1874
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 2: the problem Run is amazing, dude. I have had, you know,

1875
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 2: like anybody else, like stretches of time on my musical

1876
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: fandom with certain albums like Appetite or Not uptight Like

1877
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: and just as Froll. I'm sorry, but the kind of lame,

1878
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: especially the older they get.

1879
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Meta used to be like dude. They I used

1880
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: to love Metallica. They were even through my twenties, they

1881
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: were still maybe my favorite band ever. And then I

1882
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: got like, not as lame as Kissed, by the way,

1883
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 1: but kind of la do I think people who like

1884
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: Kiss just shoot him into a rocket and never like

1885
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: leave earth.

1886
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: And I actually know people care about that love like Juggle.

1887
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: If you I kiss, you don't deserve life.

1888
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean, how far away is Kiss from ICP? I mean,

1889
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: really right?

1890
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just dude, Juggalos of a different era is

1891
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: what they are. Just fucking juggle generations, generational jugs. We

1892
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: paint our face. You get the fuck out of here.

1893
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: Kiss as the worst music ever made. Suck a fat dick.

1894
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, Beth is kind of a but what

1895
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 2: I would say is.

1896
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: What I would say is Metallica's they just turned into all.

1897
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: They just turned into fucking dad rock and it just

1898
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: got I don't know, I got a little goofy.

1899
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: I kind of checked out, like a Master of Puppets

1900
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 2: better than Justice for All.

1901
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: I think the best Metallic album is Master of Puppets.

1902
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I like that you said that, And I

1903
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 2: know that there's a lot of people that will stay

1904
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: kill them all, but even the kill them all is

1905
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: the favor they can't be. But there are people that

1906
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 2: will say though.

1907
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Master of Puppets was them Absolutely, I.

1908
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Think Master of Puppets is the best. But I think

1909
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: a Justice for All has high just some.

1910
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: High moments, and Justice for All was just such a

1911
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: fucking record, straw, Dude. That thing, yeah yeah, Harvester of Sorrow.

1912
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: Harvest of Sorrow bangs, dude.

1913
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: That whole album bangs. People don't do. People put it

1914
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: in like the Back in Black conversation where it's like

1915
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: start to finish, no.

1916
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Filler they put They put the Black Album from Metallica

1917
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: in that, which is to be not fair because that's

1918
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: when they really begin to be something else. You call

1919
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: it a day, dude, because I gotta call my kids.

1920
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: You know, I could do a living podcast. If you

1921
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: want twenty fourth.

1922
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: You need to figure out, even though I've gone h

1923
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: and five twice on okay, man, you need to figure

1924
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: out what concert you're going to. That's what you need.

1925
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: I got a lot of time to get back into this,

1926
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: all right, but I'm out of here. Look, Oh there's

1927
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: the wipe I was looking for, all right?

1928
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: Bye later, Hey, I need my microphone, Dick